 Yo, what's going on guys? We're back with another episode of the after hours podcast today We have a special guest George who is a member in MIC. He's been with us for a little over a year now His name in chat is GSC Little over a year cool cool and he actually if you guys remember Joe Angelo We interviewed him a few weeks ago and this is his tab is trading accountability buddy So it's pretty cool to have him on too so we kind of hear both of their stories So thanks for coming on George. Yeah, man. Yeah shout to Joe Joe's a real one man. He's a cool dude. I like him a lot He's super friendly, so he's good to have an MIC but but enough about that bum So George, how did you kind of get into trading? How did you find MIC and and want to kind of lead us to that part of your journey? Yeah for sure. Yeah. Yeah So actually I found trading like in 2016 2017 with Tim Sykes and I'm not sure how I actually like found them or anything like that, but Yeah, I found him and It was really I was really just you know, I I never really You know, I never really traded You know when I was initially studying like in 2016 2017, but You know, I don't know I just I kind of just like followed like you know what he was doing and Yeah, I just study a lot like you know you know, this is a His courses and stuff like that, you know, I was in this chat and then I Basically stopped all that and 2020 basically when the pandemic started that's when I kind of got back into it It was with him again. So like I kind of just like you know joined his program and Yeah, you know just started learning trading like you know from from you know from his Online courses and stuff like that cool, but um, yeah I mean Yeah, it wasn't profitable at all, you know, like I I Never got lucky or anything like that Yeah, yeah, and as I mean, I was on Twitter as well and I forgot how I stumbled upon MIC. I'm pretty sure it was Twitter I'm not sure who it was. I think actually I think it was Harry. I found Harry Haas through Beyond the PDT With Bryce and Matthew. Yeah You know, I was following Jack and and Kyle Williams and all that stuff Yeah, those guys are all like, you know good friends of mine Like I mean what I think like not to like cut into your story or anything like that, but I think that when you kind of You know get to know people and like it wasn't necessarily through like I knew Jack Like before beyond the PDT and we were just kind of like going over because like I was a long trader He was like an OTC trader. I was like maybe I can teach you some stuff about longing You can teach me some stuff about OTC We can kind of you know mix and match about stuff like that But like we've really kind of like honed in on our own style But yeah, I met, you know, Monaco I met Bryce through Beyond the PDT and I got to know like a bunch of Sikes guys kind of as well and you know Some people who I talked to all the time some people who I don't talk to a lot But I think as you kind of you know get better in the industry you get to know some people like that and you know You know never anything bad to say about like those guys, you know, yeah great guys, so I know that was fun, I wish they kept doing it to be honest There's a lot of fun So George at this point when you found hair you found MIC Were you just like buying breakouts or were you just like did you not even have like any sort of process? Were you just kind of winging it and hoping it would work or yeah, what was that part of journey? I mean with the 2020 pandemic, you know, like all the coronavirus stocks, you know, it's so easy to get lucky like I guess there was a period of where I was consistently winning But there was really no like, you know process to it and yeah You know after like such a strong bull market, you know, you could really just buy anywhere at the beginning of the day and and and make money yep, and And it wasn't until somewhere in 2020 where the market started to slow down I basically lost, you know, I made a few thousand and then I just kind of lost it all back But yeah, there I just I had I had no process and like once I remember I would attend your guys's Wednesday webinars with Tosh Yeah, and, you know, I don't know, I guess I Had to be like, I don't know. Yeah, I went to your guys's webinars and I watched all your guys's like free YouTube videos and at that point and then you And then you guys offered The half off monthly and that just did it for me, you know, like I got hooked from there, you know and Just you know became became, you know a member from there Hell yeah, man. So what was your experience when you first joined did you find it was like Easy to navigate you find it was easy to like talk to people and like, you know, meet others and all that stuff. Oh, yeah Yeah, whatever where what everyone says, you know, like the The mods, you know, they're very helpful very friendly You know and in any other room, you know, you can't you can't even get like an answer to like any moderator Or anything like that. So it was just yeah, it was just a big difference, you know, and I'm glad I took that chance and you know, I'm glad I'm here with you guys today and So much has changed, you know, like I just Yeah, just like so much Knowledge now of you know of what's going on and You know, but the MIC process and Yeah, so I don't mean to like cut you off or anything like that But So you join MIC and you know, you watch some of the webinars you kind of get to know you maybe watch because you're more long biased right Yeah, yeah, I really have this style like similar to yours. I would say Yeah, so maybe we can kind of dive in and like talk about that throughout the podcast as well And so but just since we're at kind of like the initial stages of just like talking about how you join and stuff like that How did you kind of go about like attacking things? Is there anything that you would do different like since when you first joined Is there is there, you know, like how would you kind of like attack the market now You know, those are kind of my questions that I was kind of wondering from you Well, I would say in the beginning I've always liked longing so and any teeth I've always loved your videos Harry and like I've always I would say like gravitate towards your strategies and stuff like that And yeah So I mean I would just you know Learn from the videos. I mean I would watch all of my CV is everything you know everything is helpful But you know, I would see your trades. I would you know You know see your commentary, you know, main chat is very very helpful and You know, I would use small size. I'm using bigger size now but definitely in the beginning you know it's best to use small size just to like test things and stuff like that And you know things to start to click you know and You start to understand you know You know why stocks move a certain way And you know you kind of start to see patterns and you know just like all technical analysis that you guys teach It just it all started to click you know and you just know you start to feel confident and Yeah, so like I'm very confident and you know for example like short traps. I know I know Harry that you love short traps you know the first bounds Just you know all the strategies that you know that you like I I definitely have learned and you know still still mastering but That's cool. So what what drew you to Harry style of trading because I know like obviously people when they first get involved, you know It's a tough decision between long and shorting and you know we have really good mods for both and what kind of drew you to to longing and what drew you to Harry style of longing particular I think it's because well I guess initially I have a small account so I I couldn't really short at least in the beginning So you know longing was kind of my only option at first But as I studied it more because I knew I had to at least study that first I actually started to like it and You know I've always studied shorting as well, you know when I When I study You know the MIC videos or Just you know with Tom, you know You know all short bias trades, you know you could learn From everyone even though you're alone You know so just having like multiple you know multiple perspectives of Both sides, you know that that could really help you so yeah for sure. That's great advice So since you're here and we only have like you know 30 minutes or so I try and you know jam it in and you know, you know, you know 40 minutes or so I try and you know jam it in as much as we can because There's so much to kind of like talk about so what are some things that you find that you're kind of struggling with I mean, you know, you have me here right now It's not like a pre-recorded video or anything like that or like a DM and not a robot What are some things that you're kind of struggling with now that maybe you need some clarity on or maybe you kind of like to You know kind of learn about or you know maybe talk about some struggles that you have with like maybe FOMO or like I don't want to put any words in Like in your mouth, you know because like I have no idea but maybe just talk about like some kind of struggles or like how you would kind of attack every day or just anything like that, you know Yeah, psychology wise or trading wise like anything anything involved with the markets Right, right. Yeah, I would say I would say it's like partly discipline. It's also patience. You know, it's not like this every day. You know, some days I do really great, you know, with my discipline and patience And just some days I just give into FOMO and And it kind of just ruins the whole day and I also have trouble With the concept of being under PDT Just the fact that you know you you basically have limited trades and Sometimes that puts pressure especially, you know, if you like like you hear you mainly trade like the first I would say well two hours, you know, yeah And And if you think about it, it kind of puts pressure, you know, like pre-market you're watching all the stocks, you know, watching it for hours and stuff like that and It comes down to that, you know, like those, you know, maybe one, maybe two key moments where you hit, you know, you have opportunities to take a trade Sometimes, you know, being under PDT, having those limited trades, you know, it could get to you So maybe I'll get in too early, you know, thinking I'm going to miss a trade or Sometimes I think that I'm patient I'm being patient and then once it gets kind of towards midday and there's really not that much opportunity left I end up like, you know, foaming into like a trade, you know, I shouldn't be in and stuff like that but Yeah, I would say patients, a little bit of patience, a little bit of discipline Eric, you want to talk this one first, then I can go into it I think for me, especially with longing, longing is something where not you're not going to see every stock go to the moon I mean with any stock, right, you're not going to see every single stock all day fade, you're not going to see every single stock go to the moon And it really comes down to putting rules in place so you're not putting yourself in a position where, you know, you're making those mistakes And so I think that I have different rules for everything. So for discipline, for instance, right, you know, or this one can go really for discipline, patience, FOMO If I see something like, you know, like a big pump, you know, and you know what I mean like a really big pump where you see something go from three to four Or you see something where you're like, wow, I missed that, you know, I usually take myself And, you know, I have kind of like a rule where I'm going to wait, you know, 30 minutes to an hour where I won't talk after something like that, right Because, you know, every single person who has just seen what you've saw now has FOMO now has problem with discipline now has, you know, all those issues that you're kind of talking about that have kind of like You know, limited you away from that kind of, you know, consistency that you want to get to. So I guess you need to remember that every single person is really dealing with the same issues, but it's just really how you kind of go and attack things, you know, and, you know, being too early is is another curse for a long trader because When you're longing like you're always like, oh, I want to get in like kind of like, you know, when I was first longing, I would like long things that like didn't have any volume that were kind of dead, because I was like, man, if this thing runs this is going to like, you know, nine or 10 or whatever, but the reality is is that maybe only 20% or 10% of those types of trades are really going to work well for you, you know, And that's why in longing, you need to be just so so so kind of disciplined. And so my, my advice to you would really be, you know, if you see something pop up on your screen, and you know, you already feel that FOMO and you already are like, man, I got to get in this I got to trade this, you know, take as much as an hour, you know, set a timer on your phone for an hour and say I'm not going to long this for like an hour. And that can be difficult because you can see stocks that get overextended and that just keep going and going and going. And so after they top out, I usually wait, you know, like an hour. I think another thing is that, you know, as far as the revenge trading goes and especially with PDT, it's difficult when you kind of get into early you make a mistake and then you're like, I only have so many trades for the week, but you know I want to get this back. If some if you find yourself in that type of situation, it's best to just really wait another hour. You know, it takes sometimes 30 minutes to an hour for these emotions to kind of cool down and drain out of our system, and allow us to take another, you know, type of trade again. And especially, you know, it's like almost like you see something like that it literally like terrorizes your emotions right especially as a long trader when you miss something and you see it just go up up up and up. You know, it sucks and you know you've missed it but you need to just say to yourself okay like, you know, I obviously have missed this one. You know I haven't got it now I'm going to wait like an hour 30 minutes I'm going to take some really kind of collect myself. And just one more thing is that I think stock selection is really key. And you know, especially with the hot chicks you never want to competing, you know, against each other head to head. And also another thing you never want is that you never want to be longing things that really are not doing that much volume and really don't really have that much attention, you know, and you know there are times where, you know, like we talk sometimes and you're like oh well that stocks only up 20% or oh that stocks only up this much or it's that much. I never said hard and fast rules I'm only paying attention to the volume, you know how much attention I think this thing has. What's kind of going on because by the time something is up, you know 100%, sometimes it can't really go up any higher, and we hit this kind of like price ceiling, and we saw it on SNLA today where the stock just kind of tanked out of the open right. Now I'm not really someone who puts hard and fast rules on, you know, the percentage or anything like that I'm paying attention to is it the hot chick, does it have an attention are people looking to kind of get involved. And then like when we get that kind of dip. Okay, are we back up again, you know, do I think we have some short sellers who were kind of had that FOMO that you kind of talked about on the long side on the short side right. And that's how we kind of play against those types of people and get that move higher. So I think really setting rules for your FOMO if you just take a look at your trades and find out what mistakes you're making and you set rules to like my rules are designed so I'm not trading. I want to have so many rules that I only can make, you know maybe less than five trades a day right, because if you're making too many trades a day or you're not making the right trades a day. So I think that's something that can kind of hurt you on that road to consistency but that's just kind of my thoughts on that. Right. I think, I think for longs to this isn't even like part of my point but like I think for longs to like rules are so almost much harder and like much more important because I think it's a long it's like you, you it's a hard because obviously a stock and technically run from like $1 to $100 right. So every time you get in you have to fight that emotion of like this thing is going to go to fucking the moon, whereas a short it's like you kind of know like there's only a certain level how far this is going to go down today. You know so as a long it's definitely got to be really fucking hard and you, I think you guys fight much more emotions but but on your, on your three topics that you have. There's discipline, like chasing, chasing like kind of following trading. Discipline patient and fellow. Yeah, so. So I guess on the first, the first part of discipline is and this is my favorite point to bring up to people is the thing with discipline is one we've talked about it before in the past where if you're not disciplined outside of trading it's almost impossible to be disciplined inside and I fully believe that. So if you're struggling with discipline, I challenge you outside of trading to put in things in place whether it's going to the gym daily diet, not drinking during the weekdays put something in place that you have to test your discipline outside of the market because you have to work on it outside of this as well, and that will translate and correlate kind of into your, your market behavior. I think the key thing with discipline is through discipline, you will find consistency right and what makes the best traders and people like Alex in or about or Tosh or any of these guys great is that they're just consistent with their discipline. And if you notice, the more disciplined they are, I mean, how often you see these guys really loose right, not very often like once, once every few months like you know they'll have a red day or something like that. And through teaching yourself discipline outside of the market, bringing it in, you're just going to notice slowly over time like, wait a second, I'm following these rules that I have in place, and I'm not losing. And then the more you do that, in my opinion, the easier it gets to stay disciplined if that makes sense, because you just like it's the same thing in life in general like I work out or try to work out every weekday right. And the more I stick with that the easier it is for me to do that and then also do my diet and also maybe not drink on certain days or whatever because it's all around a focus in my life. And discipline stuff. It's not easy man discipline stuff because it's that's why trading is hard because I think 90% of it is discipline and like patients and all that. Now as far as patients. I remember Harry said something a long time ago and it was a really good kind of quote and he was just saying that the more patient you are with your entry the more patient you can be with your exit. And I find that really true for both longing and shorting because it's the same thing like, if I get in at that for especially shorting because I scale into my short sometimes like one or two bullets, longing sometimes I don't really, I'm something I think so I can't speak on that but for me it's like half the time if I just wait for my initial line and my initial entry, not only would I have a better average I can size in easier with less stress. So like what I do a lot of times is the very, it's a point from bow as well, is the first line that I want to get in at, I just skip, or I use like tiny tiny size like if I want to start my position with like 1000 shares and say, I might use 100 shares at that first kind of line, because I know that if I'm more patient for the best entry, then it's going to be make me more patient for my exit, and also give me more confidence as far as adding size and staying calm like in my, my position, because if you just size into the first line and you can't stay patient for that setup, then you're you're just going to end up either getting shaken out or it's not going to be the trade you want you only feel great about it. And honestly, if the more patient you stay for your setups, it kind of correlates back to your discipline, the more patient you are your discipline is going to kick in, you're saying all right, I'm waiting for my spot, and this trade is going to work. Most of the time if you trade outside of your discipline your patients the trade's going to fucking suck anyways and you're going to lose money that's just, that's just regardless. Now, as far as PDT, I guess on this last piece to and like kind of like PDT revenge trading all that stuff. PDT is hard and I'm not going to say I agree with that rule I think it's kind of BS and I can give you a billion reasons why, but it's stupid to complain about because we all have to deal with it right. Unless it's Canada like Eric. So, I think that message. It's a pain in the ass. And I, again, I think it's a dumb fucking rule but at the end of the day right we have to deal with it so the way I approach it is in the way I approached it when I was under PDT is, I thought of it like I was like a blackjack player, but I only really had one hand to play. I had to avoid any setup that I thought was sub par. And at this point in your career, you need to identify which setups are sub par which setups are just like you're trading to trade because when you're over PDT you can kind of take those sub par setups with smaller size and and try it out and see how it works. But when you're under PDT you're at the table, you have one bet. So you're one bet better be a you have two face cards or something like that like you better have all the right cards and be the most confident you are in that setup, which is your a plus setup or a plus hand for you to place that bet. And I know it's hard and I know it's tough, but you have to why yourself to kind of understand that like you're this is the position you're in right now. And you will get out of it by staying patient right your whole issues are these issues is through concern are just related to discipline with everything right. Like if you stay more patient and more disciplined while you're under PDT you're going to get faster over PDT, because when you kind of break that and you revenge trade and you do something like that, you're pushing the you're just pushing the goal line faster and faster farther right you just need there's more money I have to make to get over PDT, and it's a huge bitch. But if you can just kind of stay patient for those 20 blackjack hands and be okay with it and you know when you're about to make a FOMO trader you're about to revenge trade everybody knows the feeling everybody feels it in their stomach, they feel it in their brain they're about to do something stupid. And you need to recognize that like I do it to this day I get the feeling like oh I'm going to get in right now and just see how it goes when I feel that I feel in my stomach and like my hand I'm just like, I know I'm about to click a button and look like an idiot and do something stupid. So I literally have to pull myself out of the computer I just take I take a step, drink some water, spin around my room for a second. Go pee and then come back. And you'll find that if you can avoid those little moments, the better setups will show up. Yeah, I would say sometimes it's easy to get tricked into thinking you know there's a confirmation of entry. You know, I just feel like you know when when when is the right entry when is the right confirmation signal and yeah sometimes you go in a little too early and what gets me is under PDT you know like, you know, say I have a few trades on the day, you know that that's one trade wasted if I get if I got into really even though I do have that gut feeling. Like you said, I don't know, you know, how you get that gut feeling but it's kind of like an experience telling you like hey, this doesn't feel right. And sometimes like you see it all on the low house charts, you know, like he gets in and then gets out real quick, just knowing like hey like, you know, I'm into early or just doesn't feel right. I can't do that yet since I'm under PDT. I know I should, you know, cut like for like break even. But sometimes I get emotional like okay I'll just you know, I'll just see where this goes and that kind of fucked me up but. Yeah, that's not easy to that's not easy. I think that like one thing that can help you is that, you know, let's say you come in tomorrow and and or maybe or maybe you even take a day off or something and you know you you kind of go over like your your past trades and you kind of start to try to develop the really really hard and fast set of rules, you know, developing rules are the easy part, following them as hard but once you kind of follow them and like you can even maybe even go over some rules that I talked about because those are roles that I use in my trading every single day. And with longing it's so important that you're not chasing these massive pump candles or that you're not buying at the top way over VWAP or you're not buying into a whole number you're not you know, so all the all those things are very important. And so what you can do is that you know you say to yourself okay. I'm going to sit there and say to myself. And you know I'm you're going to have to kind of make it a habit and that's what Alex bow Tosh, they've all developed, you know, their their rules their entry signals or whatever and just made it habits every single day. So you start on Monday, and you're like, Oh this is tough man this is tough, you get to Tuesday. This is tough man this is tough you get to Wednesday you're still following the same set of rules you're still doing the same execution you're still doing what you need to do. By the time you get to Wednesday I guarantee you're going to have a better trading day and say wow, it's not as tough anymore to follow these rules because I've started to make it a habit. By the time you're there in two weeks, and you have got you know these habits built. You know it's so easy, you know it really takes 30 days. You know to build a habit or 90 days or whatever, and it might take like, you know, a bunch of running around and foam on revenge trading after you've broken that rules to kind of start to break it and then you fall into a new kind of set of bad habits. So maintaining good habits is something that is definitely key and just actively being aware of like okay, you know these are, are what have, what have, you know, these are the goals that I'm striving to achieve this is what I want to become. This is what is going to kind of get me there I'm going to develop this into a habit, and that can help you a lot. And also, another one is just trading that like you don't need the money, you know, I see so many long time to buy the top of the range I see so many shorts trying to short the bottom of the range chasing. You know if you're chasing anything, and like I don't care what it is in life, you know you're not going to get it right, but if you're patient, you know you're sitting there you're waiting for it. That's something that is going to help you a lot I had a conversation with two other long guys today. And they're like man we sold too early, and then you know the next day they're stopped out because they didn't sell at the right time. I'm always selling the same areas of the chart every single fucking day I'm always longing the same areas and where am I selling every single day. I'm selling always at the high day every single day. I'm just drawing the bottom I'm drawing the top I'm saying okay. Like, I find in this market inner lines have been working very very well for longing. I also find that selling at the top of the range has been working very well we get the occasional one that goes to the fucking moon I don't give a shit. You know, so everyone is like man but but yesterday I sold too early. It's like, you just are at a point where you just need to just keep building singles and just one bill right one single snowballs into another snowballs into another snowballs into another. And it really gets you to becoming profitable. And the last thing that I just wanted to talk about was just take a little bit of time and wait for the cell, wait for the setup to kind of develop right if it's a VWAP reclaim you're looking for there's no need to buy that first view Yeah, and wait kind of like on a DB GI today. Yeah, cut you up if you if you kind of saw hovering around 450 and it looked like like you know it's gonna have like a little VWAP reclaim, you know, and I actually got into early and right when I got in I knew I was in too early but you know it just goes back to like the limited trades I'm just gonna set us up a little below. It's just an unnecessary paper cut. But yeah I recognize I was too early and yeah so I just wanted to And we can kind of talk about like that kind of scenario because that might be a good scenario to kind of end on. You have to be saying to yourself. Okay, in this chart. How am I going to be able to get excess demand, because if you want to become a long trader and you want to grow your account that's the only thing that matters is excess demand. So when I look at DB GI and I don't have the chart in front of me, but I believe we had 450 we had VWAP and the top was maybe like 5550 right. The top was already set on DB GI. The odds of that climbing all the way back and pulling like an EDSA from two weeks ago or something like that very, very, very slim. If I have to say something from two weeks ago or from last month, it's a setup that does not happen often. So on that I simply left that alone because I knew every single long trader did not get what they wanted today. ALF. Yeah, we got you know eight bucks to 840 you know I didn't feel that trade in my bones when I got it I wasn't like this is a great trade I was like this is a good scalp. You know, and I think for long traders they're always looking for home runs because you know you're longing and you have the home run potential right and that's what James kind of talked about like James knows like okay this stock can only really go down so far in this particular situation but with longing it can go higher and I can go to 10 and the moon and whatever right. Longing is very kind of optimist biased right. And so I think that in that kind of situation of DB GI right yeah we got over VWAP, but you have to remember VWAP is a resistance level of supply. What was right after VWAP 450. So not only do we have VWAP as that kind of supply area that makes every single long trader hesitant, we have 450 right after it. And 450 is a difficult difficult level to break, and especially coming from that you know kind of 430 420 area, you know from that's a long way for that stock to go. So in that type of situation I'd rather see it kind of get to 450, take a break, wait an hour, wait at 30 minutes, wait a while and then see if we can come back. Right, because I need more time basically 100% where are shorts going to stop out on that chart where do you think shorts are going to stop out on that chart. I would say, or pre market highs. Yeah, right. So, you know why do you want to be in a situation where you're longing, you know before no shorts and trouble right, and there's sometimes where we get to pre market high day too quick and we stuff and we go lower. That's a type of situation where the chart wasn't meant for that type of play right, but there are situations where the range is tiny and we can get that short stop out and we can keep moving higher but these are things that you need to really take note of of. Okay, shorts may be stopping out, but this chart has gone up a little bit too much for me and it's a little too over extended for me to want to get long on. You really have to be very, very, very selective in what you're longing and, and the way things go up in the way things move and, and how you figure that out is. I think you've got enough screen time by now it's really just saying to yourself, yeah, I am not going to be longing these overextended charts for these broken charts. And if you say that to yourself that'll help you a lot right dbgi. Like you can admit that was a broken chart right and you probably longed it and felt stupid afterward after a tank, but you need to be saying I feel like it wasn't really broken but I mean that. I mean, I feel like the chart was still in, still intact but. You know, when we're 50 cents away from hi day. You know, 60 cents away from hi day. What do you say, Harry, if the homies are shorten it at the top. I don't want to get caught in the drop. Yeah, we also had a left competing, right. So we had competing in that type of situation as well. So not only do we have a left, we have a heavy flow, we have a ton of supply ahead of us. Right. Just, yeah, would you say that pre market was kind of active this this pre market this morning. I mean we had SNO a wasn't a great one wasn't something wasn't a stock that I loved we had a left that was kind of moving around got broken got reclaimed. I don't know if it was I and yeah we also had dbgi I mean I guess it was active. For me, it was active but it didn't give a lot of great long opportunity. You know we had a lot of overextended things move higher, you know whatever and I'm okay. The thing is with me is that like I've made enough money now so if I miss something I'm like fuck. I mean, obviously I'm going to be like shit that sucks, but I'm not going to feel it in my bones right, but when I was new and I was first starting every single time I missed something or felt like I missed something I felt it and it really really really sucks. And you've got to be like that go in order to really move on as a trader and really kind of evolved. That's one thing that you really need to let go as along it's tough because we don't get pre market runners every single day. Right, as a short we get a ton of AIDS pre market. Right, I mean half the MIC shorts I know are just fucking bullshitting shorting pre market right, you know, right everyone is fucking shorting pre market. I mean people know Alex does not do everyone fucking is, and because really like as much. I mean, again, I don't think it's easier to do either thing. I just think there are a lot of kind of easier kind of lay up short sell up setups kind of in the pre market and stuff like that. It really depends on the market cycle right, but I mean, I don't know. I just think that when you're a long trader and you miss along, you know I've been a short and a bit along when I see something dump as a short it sucks. But when I see something go high from seven to $12 as a long, you know, that is something as a new trader that I felt a lot. And, you know, it's hard man. One thing I've actually been doing is I've been waking up. I mean, for a while I usually wake up over here and I'm in California so I wake up at like three around three o'clock in the morning. And, you know, I would get to the screens pretty early and I just I feel like I did that because I didn't want to miss anything. And lately, I've been starting a little, a little over an hour after that. That's what I've been doing. Yeah, so it's awesome. I think it does help because sometimes you know, if you, if you're, if you start with the loss in pre market or something like that. Yeah, so I've been waking up later, you know, to help with that. And today, I guess, you know, I saw as in a way, you know, I miss DB GI pre market. Maybe that gave me a little, they gave me a little, you know, FOMO. Yeah, that's why I jumped into that. It happens man but it. You can do something I just want I don't mean to cut James off you can what you do is keep a little journal and what you can do is keep your emotional temperature in the morning and ask yourself questions. Did I miss something. Did I see something. Did I sell too early. Anything that could trigger you in the least to revenge trade you really need to seep into your emotions and get to know yourself so well, take your emotional temperature. I like that a lot. Right. Take your emotional temperature and gauge where you're at. Yeah, you can do that before you start trading to 100% like how do you feel in the morning do you feel anxious do you feel fucking like nervous and all that. And I think that's that's a really, I like that a lot actually that was really that was smooth. That's cool and I think, I think we're coming up like on our time where we do have to wrap up but the last little piece of advice I want to give you before we do is, I really recommend for long buys guys to ensure it's anyone new, you know, all of trading in the beginning is just lack of a lot of it for people's lack of confidence in your setup. And something I did early on that was a really key piece was I really did print out and screenshot, all of my charts and Alex's charts, and even ballast charts and stuff and I actually put confirmed moves like next to my screen so like if I'm in a setup because I'd rather in the beginning, especially under PDT I waited for a move to confirm before getting in. So I just had that reference right next to me so as a long like you can like print a view of reclaim picture, put it right next to you and you know what it's going to what you want it to look like for it to be a confirmed move. Yeah. And, and that helped me out a ton that helped me out a ton just having that reference point like right next to me. Yeah, but yeah I know we are coming up on our time we let it go a little bit but it was actually really nice. Just curiosity. What are you doing right now like for a living, like for a job. Right now, I'm actually, I'm working part time with my dad he owns a business. And kind of just like side jobs with him and then I'm actually door dashing throughout the day here and there at night. Just so I can really, you know, have be able to train in the morning, you know, get that screen time and I've been doing, you know, for about a year now. And yeah, it's kind of, you know, it's kind of a weird schedule but I think it's definitely worth it, you know, and I definitely thank you guys, you know, for all of them I seek, you know, for teaching me and, you know, being where I am today so it's. Hell yeah bro. Hell yeah man well thank you for coming on thank you for talking with us and I'd love for you to update us further on in your, with your progress. Yeah for sure man. Oh man thank you so much George and thank you again. See you. All right thanks. Thanks guys.