 Good morning and a very, very warm welcome to the online session today, which is aspiring to the Supermine and the City of Evoid and Consciousness, to turn heartfelt apologies for the confusion, for the rearrangement and everything else that has happened, and a community heartfelt gratitude for really accommodating us. So we were supposed to have the first session aspiring for the Supermine, for the teachings of tree or window, and we have different people from different streams of life coming up to share the session. Since we were supposed to have this across three different rooms, we are now combining them one, so we're going to be kind of making it a little short and what we will love it is to make it a little bit more interactive. So the moderator for the session is Anu and welcome and we really appreciate that welcome to the Supermine. Welcome everyone, good morning. Thank you for just mentioning that we are in a special situation, unexpected, but perhaps the Supermine is going to take us through many unexpected moments which we don't really realize to come to a shift in Consciousness. I would just read out a few lines from the Supermine, the manifestation in which Shiora Bingo said, the essential character of Supermine is a truth consciousness which knows by its inherent right of nature, by its own light. It has not to arrive at knowledge but possess it. It may indeed, especially in its evolutionary action, keep knowledge behind its apparent consciousness and bring it forward as it comes behind the grave. Because we don't have much time. As we have combined this session with all the others, I would request each one of you to quickly introduce ourselves and then we will take it forward. Can I start with you? Good morning. I'm happy to be here today. My name is Deepa. I'm involved in hospitality and the arts. Thank you. I'm also from Chennai. Krithika Subramaniam is my name and I'm basically a creative, I'd like to think I'm a creative curator of both spaces and experiences. Hi, good morning. My name is Odey. I used to teach critical thinking and Indian history at the Ashram School. Hi, good morning. My name is Sarvesh Ashi and I happen to teach yoga. Namaste. My name is Anmol. I stay in Pondicherry. I've been studying Shri Aurobindo and other spiritual literature for the last six, seven years. I'm Gautam Gushal from Shanti Niketan. I work on Shri Aurobindo and the mother. This is Arvayesh Pandey from Shri Aurobindo Ashram, Pondicherry. Namaste, everyone. I'm Bailu Mehra. I work at Shri Aurobindo Society curating various programs and editing a journal related to Shri Aurobindo's and mother's works. And I live between Pondicherry and Auroville. All a bit clumsy. We have online Shrinivas Mulugu from the Shri Aurobindo Society. Could you please introduce yourself, sir? Namaste, everyone. I am Shrinivas Mulugu from Shri Aurobindo Society. I look after the centers and branches in the Andhra Pradesh and Telangana region. Thank you. Thank you. We were also to have Aravindan Neelakandanji, but unfortunately his daughter had a fall. So he had to rush her to hospital. So we miss him, but part of this grand concert of people. Okay, so I think the best way to go forward now with the limited time we have is let us start with a round of two minutes for each one to give their thoughts on the topic. Aspiring for the supermind. What does it mean to you? And how would you see yourself aspiring towards it? But you say exactly what you feel. Okay, so I have a prepared speech. So in context I was trying to read it. So anyway, so supermind. What I was trying to talk about is I am not an Aurobindo scholar. I have not read too many of his texts, but I was trying to talk about the supermind or the subconscious mind in terms of practical daily living, which applies to the common man, to the layman's understanding. Thank you. So I was born in a theosophist family in a fairly Brahminical upbringing. So we had the tug of war between ritualistic religion and theosophy planted in our brain at a very young age. So I think in evolving who I was in the midst of all this has made me achieve some realization and it's come with a lot of reading and some crazy life experiences. So I would like to think I don't think supermind is something that I would say is realizable, but being on the path I think definitely can enhance. Okay, so in lieu of some prepared remarks because this is such a difficult subject, the supermind, I'm just going to read a little bit of a couple of suggestions from the mother and then from Sri Aurobindo and I ended there. Mother says the most important thing it seems is to remember this fact, even when one doesn't have the tangible experience, to have the certainty of it and faith in it. To remember always, to recall it constantly, to go to sleep with this idea, to wake up with this perception, to do all that one does with this great truth as the background, as a constant support, this great truth that we are witnessing the birth of a new world. And she continues saying we can participate in it, we can become this new world. And truly when one has such a marvelous opportunity, one should be ready to give up everything for its sake. And this whole context of this passage is in regards to the supermind, to still have faith in it and to not regard it as a distant, unrealizable but something that one must absolutely work towards. In fact, the last two sentences that I would love to read and put before you are from Sri Aurobindo in regards to a very profound question which he asks, which is what is the right use of our existence in the universe? I thought this question itself was a beautiful question to reflect on, but here comes the direct and very, very important answer. This is thy work and the aim of thy being and that for which thou art here, to become the divine Superman. If thou hast a duty, this is thy duty. If thou ask what shall be thy aim, let this be thy aim. Thank you. Like she said that I'm not a scholar in the subject, but I can tell you a little bit of how I related with yoga. And I believe that there is a lot of similarities between both, which is, I think supermind is a journey and not a destination. And like how people say we practice yoga to be and not to become. I also believe that supermind is the process of being and not to become. To continue or rather use Udescu what he said regarding remembering that going to sleep with the idea that the new world is being born. Mother said something even more concrete. He said this on 4th June 1958, a little more than two years after the new world was born. He says to console you because people are not able to feel the advent of the supermind in the Earth's atmosphere. Very few people were able to feel it. So she says to console you I may say that by the very fact that you live on Earth at this time, whether you are conscious of it or not, even whether you want it or not, you're absorbing with the air you breathe this new supramental substance which is now spreading in the Earth's atmosphere. He uses the word supramental substance. And it is preparing things in you which will manifest very suddenly as soon as you have taken the decisive step. Since it is something which is not part of the experience of a lot of us directly, I mean it can happen through aspiration, the grace can reveal it to us. So the thing which can be most useful and I was lucky to find this reference in the Synthesis of Yoga, where in Sri Aurobindo tells us that what is supermind in what he calls the higher hemisphere in our psychology, it translates as faith. I'll just read the relevant lines from the Synthesis of Yoga. This is page number 44. He says, Faith is a reflex of the lower consciousness of a truth or real idea. So the standard definition, if I might say, which he has used in the life divine for the supermind is truth consciousness, the word having been taken from the Rig Veda, rithachit, right? Truth or real idea. I'll just repeat from the beginning. Faith is a reflex in the lower consciousness of a truth or real idea yet unrealized in the manifestation. Basically, it is the knowledge, the perfect knowledge of the supermind which wants to know itself and you know it has ideas about itself, it's self-conceptions. It is those real ideas which translate in our psychology as faith. And then the next sentence. It is this certainty of the idea which is meant by the Gita when it says Yo Yaj Shad Dha Ha Sa E Vasaha, 17.3. Whatever is a man's faith or the sure idea in him, that he becomes. Thank you very much for asking me to speak on the supermind. But all the time we're speaking of the supermind. We forget that all the time Sri Aurobindo was speaking of the supermind from 1914 onwards. Between 1916 and 1920, Sri Aurobindo was writing essays on the Gita. We are talking of the supermind but ignoring the base Sri Aurobindo wanted to create. Why did he give so much of stress on the Gita? Because you cannot take a leap into the supermind unless the base is prepared. Starting from your technique of the work enlightening knowledge, knowledge enlightening love, love enlightening knowledge. That is how Sri Aurobindo prepares the base of his yoga. The first time because of course Sri Aurobindo, everybody took a devotion work and knowledge separately. For the first time there is one speaking on the Gita by taking all those parts together. By passing the aspect of Tantra a bit but touching on it here and there. Now this is the base and we have to remember that to take leap to the supermind or the city of dawn. Because Sri Aurobindo was repeatedly stressing on that text. Read essays on the Gita. Read essays on the Gita. Because we are not yet prepared to even imagine what the supermind is. I won't speak more because I am sitting by the greatest living Shabitri scholar in the planet. Pass on to him. Hello. I will say, 29th March, 4 p.m. in the ashram guest house. A new history started opening with that. In the entire annals of spirituality, it was never a moment most splendid than that. It was a meeting of mother and Sri Aurobindo. Mother and herself entirely Sri Aurobindo. Then in a while later, when they meditated together after coming out of it, after coming out of it, out of the meditation, the mother told Sri Aurobindo, I saw a new world somewhere up there. A new world somewhere up there. And she asked him, will that new world manifest even to say one single word? Yes. And the entire world came down that very instant on 29th March, 1914 at 4 p.m. But a long spiritual yoga tapasya had to be done. You see, the new world was already there. After that long spiritual tapasya, you have here now the physical realization of it in Auroville. So the first birth of Auroville is actually in that first meeting of theirs. That is the importance of the city, of this place, of what has to be in the manifestation upon earth. It was already seated there and it is now in the process of getting materialized. Yes, the divine had taken full possession of it. The divine had taken the decision to hold everything in his hand. But then it is not that way that things had to happen. It had to happen ultimately in the process of time, in the process of society, in the process of human problems, in the process of evolution. And that is why human instrumentation becomes equally important. Human instrumentation has not yet for the very reason the greatness of the problems here, all kinds of problems here. But the problems cannot be solved by judiciary. The problems cannot be solved by going to the courts. Problems cannot be solved on the political platforms. The problems cannot be solved in the society, not in the administration, not in the management. None of the is going to help. The mother says, if you have difficulties, you put them to the divine. And that is the only solution. That is the only solution. That is the divine responsibility now to see that it is sorted out. All our preparation has to be able to put all our problems, all our aspirations, all our longings to the divine and ask him to take charge of things. That is the only way. And I hope this is what we shall be striving to do because there is no other way at all. Well, these are my brief comments. So, I just want to remind all of us here that, you know, at one time when somebody asked the mother, this particular passage, that how is the super mind going to act and what should we do to receive it? And she mentioned that, you know, most of the times we don't take the trouble to find answers and Sri Aurobindo has answered many of these things. And she referred to one particular passage in his writings on the Veda. And she reads out that sentence where she says, I mean, this is Sri Aurobindo saying, the supramental world has to be formed or created in us by the divine will as the result of a constant expansion and self-perfecting. So all three key phrases, it's going to be created in us by the divine will. And then later on she expands that why do you ask, you have to do it. Who is asking you to do it? It's the divine who is going to create this. What you have to do is to work on this constant expansion and self-perfecting. And elsewhere Sri Aurobindo had said that to me a square is the symbolic representation of supermind. Because it has all those four aspects that he later on described in four aspects of the mother. The wisdom, love, that is delight, power and perfection. And also, I guess we can call it progress, constant progress. So self-perfecting and constant widening of the consciousness. And as Deshpandeji said so beautifully, relying on the divine constantly is the way we can prepare for that higher consciousness to work in us. So in the city of consciousness or anywhere in the world, that's the key that Sri Aurobindo gives us and the mother reminds us. So I'll just end there. Thank you. Srinivasji, could you come on now? Could use your comments now. Please go ahead. For me, perhaps supermind is the promise of Sri Aurobindo. And it is also a relief. A relief because we have the certitude that a glorious future awaits humanity and that we are not confined and condemned to the present difficulties and problems. That there is something beyond where we are and something better that we can become. As far as the work of how we proceed, you know, Sri Aurobindo's injunction and education, you know, from near to far, the individual and the collectivity. There is much work at the individual level and then comes the collectivity. Mother has said somewhere that we all do not have to proceed in the same linear vertical format that Sri Aurobindo had arrived at plane after plane from mine to the higher mind and the intuitive mind and, you know, all of that. That today with the supermind being in the terrestrial atmosphere, we can be in contact with it, provided, of course, we make the individual effort. And a few points that I noted on this topic, at least consciously working on arriving at a silent mind as opposed to the chaotic mind that we are normally used to in a few years of our life, arriving at at least some glimpses of a silent mind, asking ego to abdicate the throne it occupies in the center of our life as individuals. This is both a philosophical or a theoretical construct, but also when one is meditating and one goes beyond the frontiers of ego or when he's about to break the thresholds of ego, there is a fear that comes in that the body shudders. So it is not just a mental progress. Even in our meditation, the ego has to dissolve at some level into a larger self. Then, of course, the mother says the first word of supplemental yoga. The first word of supplemental yoga is surrender, its last word also is surrender. And speaking of surrender, mother talks about the surrender of one's character, every aspect of what we are and what we identify ourselves to be, which itself is again a lot of tapasya in a way. When she was asked about the characteristics of Superman, perfect equanimity said the mother, and we all know how far we are from that, but consciously laboring on these individual elements. And as we do this, one sentence by the mother about the psychic being and the super mind, if by repeated efforts you have entered into contact with your psychic being, then the door is wide open. Through the psychic, you can suddenly have a very clear and beautiful vision of what the super mind is. So silencing the mind, abdication of the ego, surrender, perfect equanimity, all of these gradually bring us closer to our psychic being for that to open the door towards the super mind. This to me, these are some of the key elements on the individual sadhana side. And Kathirabindu speaks of it, it is still a theoretical construct to some extent, the inalienable unity of things Sri Aurobindo says. I recall an anecdote from the Chronicles of Auroville where when Kiri Joshiji was the chairman, and there was a chairman of the board and there's a meeting and there are different opinions and differing approaches. Somewhere his guidance was at the outset, we need to at least agree on one thing, that we are all united by a common vision and common good of Auroville. So let us go back to that and start the discussion on this subject from there. Somewhere the practicality and the theory came together for me when I was narrated this episode. And of course, one is once the inalienable unity is discovered, the effort Sri Aurobindo points this out, of many in one and one in many, can we bring it down in Sri Aurobindo's words, the same everywhere in soul essence, but varying in soul form. So in the collectivity somewhere, even if we are trying to make it happen at the mental level, struggling for that soul essence, even though the soul form is diverse. This is the individual and the collectivity coming together for supermind. And as far as Auroville is concerned, each place has its distinctive form, distinctive air, distinctive feel of the earth. And if there is one place where the mother herself has infused the light for spiritual progress, it is Auroville. So we look forward to the city of dawn leading us into the supramental future. Thank you so much. Srinivasji, thank you very much for that introduction. I will just take it forward as a wind in all the other panels. Can you hear me for this? So I'll just take the bridge from what Srinivasji is into Auroville. Now, there's one very interesting letter of Sri Aurobindo in the 1930s, wrote to his disciples. And he said, I have got it by the tail, talking about bringing down the supramental. That's such an amazing image that I got it by the tail, fully there. But it's coming down. Now, at the same time, the mother had actually asked the architect to make building gold-coned, prepare a plan for the city. She had been asked in 1931, because Sri Aurobindo had treated, what is the work that you are doing? What is the work that we are carrying on now? It is a work in the consciousness. It is a work of connection, consciousness and matter. Once this link, connection is made, it has to affect material life in the form of a model town. This is something, that was 31, asked for the model to be made. But in between the Second World War interview, and their entire attention turned towards that, many stories to that. And finally, in 1950, that went of what was called the Announcement Act. Almost immediately after, we started to look for a land, Auroville. And this connection, I just bring you this connection of the descent of the whole point of consciousness and the city. It's not just one more city where we have buildings and life. It is to make this whole thing manifest. Another interesting thing about the city is the plan. Now in 1954, she started saying things like, she started giving messages like new forms needed, manifest, honest. And she spoke of a spiraling movement of consciousness above the earth, which had to be brought down and given for. So when we see, when she invited the architect to prepare the city plan, he began with an extraordinarily good, excellent, conventional, we all know as modern towns, which apparently was cast aside immediately, until he came to a circular pattern, very good going. And this architect, who was a very well-known person in his own field at that time, Roger Auger, he had to go through four different models, very, you know, all worked out in great ways. There's only when he came to something called the galaxy, as a spiraling double movement. The galaxy which is coming down, that was it. And once that was accepted, the Charter of Auroville was written. Now the Charter of Auroville is very interesting, and that is how Auroville was inaugurated. Bring you to that. Is it encapsulates the whole effort of this once the action is made, it has to have material life. And the Charter says that Auroville has to capture life and the spirit. So that is what the plan itself embodies. This is that. I'd like to welcome other panelists, as Margarita, who had the topic of, there is Omya as. I just want to mention one thing, that when we talk about the super mind, super mind has been there right from the beginning. It was not that came down sometime, it is there right from the beginning, it is part of the eternal consciousness. And this creation in a way was planned in the super mind. So what happened in 1956? Before the supramental manifestation, the super mind was separated from our mental consciousness by a veil or a lid. Not that it was absent. So 1956, the super mind is here now, hands on. And what does the super mind mean? Essentially means that the omnipotence of the divine consciousness is now here. We have always said that, that being here, run by the divine. But now that consciousness is accessible to our mental consciousness. It's like an awareness, like when you are in the house, you are in the awareness. But the moment you go into the road, into the street, into the highway, you are aware that there is traffic around. Maybe there in the background. But it is something that conditions your actions. Narovila and Ashram are basically supposed to be the forerunners. Like mother said, we are here to do what others cannot do. And as some of the panelists said, we have to remember constantly that the super mind is now here. So what does it mean? How do we aspire for it? Like rightly said, we have that faith. And it would be a dynamic faith. Mother told one of the early ashram at Uddar Pindu. When he asked about the sadhana, he said, what do you do when you brush in the morning? He said, I do. He asked, am I there with you when you are brushing your teeth? A very important point. That there is this consciousness waiting, asking for our call. Asking that we bring it into each and every small action of our life. Whatever we want, whatever we try, whatever we act in. We bring the super mind as a part of our conscious. You ask for that. Ask and remember that this consciousness is present and accessible. I leave it at that for now and just think. I have another security directive that instead of 11 o'clock we have to wrap up at 10, 1030. Which means the other speakers we are going to give you. Hello everyone. I discovered Auroville as a teenager. One of the most credible moments of discovery was when I come from a background of textile design. I worked at a new thing. In the field I was, it's superficial to a large extent, the way it was approached. I had always a conflict with matter and spirit in this discovery. What I found so phenomenal. Hello. When I came to Auroville is this line from Sri Aurobindo where the aesthetic has denied matter and the materialist has denied the spirit. We are here for the amalgamation of both the matter and the spirit. This is so fascinating working with matter, working with beauty and aesthetics, that the aspiration is the amalgamation of the two. For that to constantly aspire for that perfection to create the possibility of perceiving beauty and art and culture from a different space. For me, Auroville is such a wonderful platform. It's such a great launch pad that artists, designers can come here and look at matter from a very, very deep perspective. So this is a little story about me, a little glimpse. Ambu, would you come? Ambu has been working with the city. He has worked with the architect of the city plan. Good morning all. I'm Ambu and I had a good opportunity to work with Roger, the person who designed the galaxy. And I traveled with him almost last 20 years. And in my experience, he is my inspiration, the sincerity and dedication that he has given. And definitely after he passed away, they went very slow and I do notice now something is coming forward and I'm happy to see all of you and thanks and let's put all our energy together to build the city. Thanks. Okay. Would you like anyone else would like to make a reference to Nareji? Would you like to speak on this topic? Okay. What it seems is that the session which was supposed to happen from 1130 to 1230 has been cut short. They said 10 to 11. Now even that seems a little difficult. So they're asking us to grab this program and move to the auditorium by 11 o'clock, which means we only have say half an hour, half an hour to one hour maximum. Everybody who's invited. Yeah. Let Margarita, two minutes. Can we do this? Thank you. Yes. Two minutes to say three things. 1969. Apollo 12 bring down to the earth one camera who was supposed to 2.5 years in the moon atmosphere. You can imagine. On that camera, one of the breakthrough discoveries micro organisms can survive any harsh condition. That was in 1969. 2019. What means that discovery for out of the farmers economy and research that along with other companies, they had created one, two plus in the total India GDP, the 0.92%. And one total agricultural GDP of the 6.32% year by year and given to 280,000,000 farmers, one income to go from 1.5 to 3.2 lakhs per year. But what is the origin of 1969 and 2009? Half century after half century before. That means one century from now. What's matter in 1919? Who has this epidemic in Japan? Mask and people by thousands dying. What she say is the last thing I'm going to read. I am trembling because I had Parkinson's because I am fear of you. I'm going to tell you something. Why people take to be micro is simple. The materialization of one vibration or one will from another world. When I learn of these medical discoveries, I say to myself, truly science is making progress. One, my almost say with greater reason, matter is progressing. It is becoming more and more receptive to one higher will. And what is translated in the science as microbes will be perceived in one goes to the root of things. One simple vibratory mode. Or this vibratory mode is the material translation, the one higher will. If you can bring this force or this will or this power or this vibration, you name it, whatever you want, into certain given circumstance, not only will it attend you, but also through contagion around you. Thank you. Thank you, Margarita. Vikram Kota, please come forward. Namaste. I'm not a scholar of super mind or super mentalist. I'm just learning. I just came here as a seeker. I'm just learning. I'm the CEO of GRT hotels. I'm in hospitality. For me, it's a very deep subject, super mind, but I believe that in daily life as we seek high performance. And when we look at this, the way we do the path to high performance is to prepare your mind. I think it's the same path to the super mind. I think the mindset is the first step when you're talking about high performance. And for a super mind to get that higher, to go to the higher plane of super mind, you need to have a proper mindset. You need to take out those limiting beliefs and then prepare your mind. And then you have to have your behavior, which is your second step. I feel that's very important. And I think we have been practicing in everyday life. And I think I'm just realizing that I'm preparing my mind to be a super mind. And I think, like people said, it's a journey. It's not the destination. I think it's a journey. And I'm just starting my journey. And I feel that a super mind is also the collective collaboration when you're going to solve complex problems. I think that's one of the ways which in the present world, we can solve all the problems. And I think this is a beautiful, intended, intentional community. I think it's a very conscious city. And I really feel that I'm attaining a kind of a peace when I come in here. And I think that's the start for my journey. Thank you so much. Thank you. Until we wait for the others, Narath, could we request you to come? Good morning, all. I am here today to speak to you about the Mother's Flower Garden. It is not the Mother Flower Garden. It's the Mother's Flower Garden. We must understand the difference. I have been working for so many years in horticulture, guided by the Divine Mother. I started when I was about seven years old, and now I'm a little older. So I want to talk to you about this magnificent vision that some of these young people, including me, have had. And that is a garden that will be the inspiration of beauty for all of Oroville. It will have a collection which has not been done before, although many times it has been attempted. A collection of all the significances of the flowers named by the Mother. And there are almost 900 of them. So in time, the weather will change. We know that. We'll have cooler climate, and we will have the possibility of cold climate flowers, which Mother knew when she was in France. The work that's being done by Poonam, Rabi, Neal, Jyoti is a seminal work because we are in an area from the solar kitchen all the way up to the Aha Kindergarten. Many, many acres to design. We want to involve children as much as possible. Children and anyone who wants to work with the land, with the flowers, with the soil. In fact, there are so many beautiful ideas, and I just want to share a couple of them with you. Each Orovillian would have the possibility to have a plant that he will take care of in Mother's Flower Garden. On one's birthday, one could get a plant and plant it in one's own garden and care for it. It's amazing to see how the change occurs in our consciousness when we work with flowers. It is something that is beyond speech, actually. We cannot physically identify the force that Mother has put into the flowers. Each flower has a vibration that can transform us, that can help us rise from where we are to a much higher plane of consciousness. And when I worked with Mother on this, I have many letters from her. I had many meetings with her in which she talked to me about the flowers and the flowers at the Matrimandir, of course. And I consider Mother's Flower Garden along with the Matrimandir and Savitri Pavan to be the three greatest events in Oroville. We do need your help. We need your help in all kinds of ways, financially, physically, and from within your prayers, your aspiration for this realization of beauty. May I ask who to say a few? We are very, we really regret because the whole team is actually here from Mother's Flower Garden. But as you see, what has happened to our whole program today and we are trying our best to integrate everybody from all the different panels. We are very sorry to leave you out, all of you out. So next we will call on Taukel and then Tuan and then Hans. Taukel, please come forward. My name is Taukel. I'm an economist in Oroville. It's a bit humbling as an economist to stand here today to talk something about economy and consciousness. Economy is seen as something where the vital is much more important than consciousness. So I will try a little bit to do that in a humble way anyway. I would just say that economy actually comes from the Greek word ekonomia, which actually means household. So economy is from its humble origin is actually just about how to run a household. And you could say that kind of knowledge has been a servant of humanity in the evolution of many, many years. In the last 10 generations, economy has taken a big, you could say, leap into being much more important. And especially one big step was taken by one economist, which we all refer to as one of the leading economists. His name is John Maynard Keans. And he created the tools after the big economic crisis in 1929 where everything collapsed for years and millions and millions of people were put into poverty. He created the tools, which is called the kinesian economy, which we actually all live in today. He created the tools that actually created a kind of more or less constant growth. He created the consumerism. But he was also the economist who really warned everybody that this was not going to be forever. He actually said in 1933 that this should only be done in 100 years because this would have no meaning in itself. He only created these means to get people into kind of prosperity. But he also said very clearly that the real values of life is art, literature, spirituality and knowledge. It is not consumer products. And he said that in 1933, so actually 100 years we are running out of time now for economy to be important. And as an economist here today, I would like to say maybe it's time that economy steps back. That economy has been a servant. Maybe for 100 years it took over to be a master, but it's time that it steps back to be a servant. And Keane said that he was very funny always, and he said very humbling as an economist to praise him. He said, economy should be like a dentist. It's a man you go to when you have a problem, but else you will stay away from him. So coming back to Audible here, I think Audible could be that example. In Audible, say that Audible should be a place for a rich and beautiful life, but it's not a life of very rich in consumer goods and other things. So I think maybe one of the things that all of it could and should be an example that that life is so rich from other things. That is a good example for people how you can step back from the road we are on now, which everybody understands is not bearable. This economic blind growth cannot continue. I think even all economists face that truth. So maybe that's the reason for Audible, and that's what we should do to be a place where a beautiful rich life can be seen as something beautiful and not just economy. Thank you. May I call Jaya? Where is Jaya? We are unfortunately, because of the whole situation, we are fluctuating from topic to topic. Jaya comes back on the city. Okay. So my name is Jaya. I live in Orwell since many years. I came first time in 1971. And since the 90s, I have become involved with the city and the work, but actually already in the very early 70s in UNESCO career, the galaxy and the Matrimandir, and that I can still see those pages in front of myself. Somehow I already at that time understood that this was something very important. I have also written something, but I will do it very short because of the time. So for me, what is very important is actually the city. The city, when I have studied the drawings from Rocher and his team, I can see the development and how when I see my own way of Sarana, how one thing pushes within to manifest. You see it in the drawings, how there is a force that is coming and how it moves. And you can see Mother's influence to move Rocher through these movements up from the first circular forms up to the galaxy. And when you start to study the galaxy, for me starting with the Matrimandir, starting to see that this symbol, this matrix is actually into every detail a living reality. And that living reality of the key elements of the galaxy is actually working together with us. It is not that we are just growing consciousness, actually that city is growing our consciousness. This is a collaboration between the society and the material reality. I think this is very, very important. It goes from the Matrimandir, which we basically have Mother's symbol, the Matrimandir, the petals, the gardens. We can see the whole oval with amphitheater. I say human unity and the garden of unity and then the garden of the unexpected. And then we have the international zone. We have the residential zone, the cultural zone, the industrial zone. We have the greenbelt surrounding. And we have the four parks which connects the city with the greenbelt. We can see that the crown is very, very instrumental. It is very interesting when Alok Pandey in one of his talks referred to the crown as the Sudarshan Chakra. Because somehow the force is coming now. So we see the soul, we see the Sudarshan Chakra. And I so happened that the day after I had seen the video with Alok Pandey, I had a session with Richard on the secret of the Veda. And there, the piece that he had chosen to read, I just will do this shortly, he is basically mentioning another name for Vishvakarma. So Richard went to his Sanskrit dictionary to look and then he reads out about Vishvakarma. How he has a son and a daughter. How this daughter is to marry the sun god. This is, we get the symbolism comes right into us. But she cannot approach. The light is too strong. So Vishvakarma takes the disc of the sun, put it on his lates and cuts the rim off. Now she can approach. And this rim, from this rim, he creates the Sudarshan Chakra, the Trishul of Shiva and the weapons for the other gods. When Richard was reading this, I felt myself to be that daughter as humanity being able to approach the supramental through this city where this vital of ours, which is blocking so much, will actually be transformed. So the city, all the key elements of the city are important. It's not that we can do a turn here and a turn there. You cannot make a Shri Chakra and then put some triangles in different directions. That is the kind of city we have and it is so important. Thank you very much. Thank you, Jaya. We still have a number of people. Before I call there, there's an horrible youth who's going to speak about education along with somebody else. Before they come on, I would like Hans who wants to read something out. He was one of the moderators and I would just like him to read that and I'll call the others in. When I thought of the session, I went to this little book and opened it and there it was the work of achieving a continuity which permits one to go up and down and bring into the material what is above is done inside the consciousness. He who is meant to do it, the avatar, even if he were shut up in a prison and saw nobody and never moved out, still would he do the work because it is a work in the consciousness, a work of connection between the super mind and the material being. He does not need to be recognized. He needs no outward power in order to be able to establish this conscious connection. Once, however, the connection is made, it must have its effect in the outward world in the form of a new creation, ending with a model town and ending with a perfect world. Thank you. Sorry. Do we have Nawab Asaf Ali, are you? Okay, because we were told you're still on your way so we were waiting for you actually. Yes, please come. I'll stand. Good morning to all of you here. I'm Nawab Asaf Ali and I'm the Divan to the Prince of Arakot. I come from Chennai. It's a great honor to be here at the Auroville. My wife, Seema, is here with me and I when we walked in this lovely space. We felt a kind of inner peace and tranquility, so that says it all. I've been invited to talk on the topic importance of human unity. I guess we don't have much time and I should take only two or three minutes. I would like to mention that for any community, for any nation to prosper, so any nation, it stands on many verticals, many pillars I would say, or any community, be it education, politics, business, economy, and all these pillars, they stand on a foundation called peace and harmony. And if the foundation is missing, if there is peace and harmony missing in that community or in that nation, all the pillars fall. They all crack. And this foundation of peace and harmony stands on a super foundation called unity. I'm not an expert on this topic, but I speak from my heart. And today, as a global community, a race called human beings, we are not as united as we can be or the potential we have to be. I think we are dividing ourselves in the name of caste, religion, faith. And I believe that comes with a bit of an ignorance to understand each other. Ignorance will create kind of a fear of the other race or caste or community. And that fear leads to hatred and that hatred leads to refugees and that creates a kind of a division which destroys the unity. We have to work our way backwards where we try to understand each other. I think today, I'll just take two minutes. Today we are divided globally. The first thing which divides us or we are destroying ourselves is in the name of faith and religion. So if we understand each other on that basis, if we try to understand each other in the name of faith or stop saying that my religion is the best, we should refrain from saying that I'm a Muslim, Islam is the best. I'm a Hindu, Hinduism is the best. I'm a Christian, Christianity is the best. I think we should go beyond that and say I'm a human, humanity is the best. I think if we come through that angle, everything falls in place. And I think I'll finish by saying that to understand each other is to accept each other's faith and religion and the caste and whatever color you create you come from. And the best way to understand is to read the authentic scriptures of that faith. Not look at me or look at you or look at and understand and say that this is their religion. Don't paint the entire community based on what I do. I think that will unite us and that will create one global race called human beings. I think that's what I see here in this lovely space called Auroville and I think we're coming here first time to this space and from now I think what we felt after coming here, the inner peace I think that will make us come again and again back and understand more about it. I once again thank each and every one for listening to me so patiently. Thanks to Auroville for having us. It's a great honor to be here with all your lovely personalities. I can go on and on but I think I'm going to stop myself. Aren't we supposed to clap in Auroville? Oh, that's why. That's why I was trying to clap when I stopped myself. Thank you so much. God bless you all. God bless you. Thank you. We were compromising on time. Just for you to know that we used to write South Arquette as part of our address originally and what you speak of is actually part of Shirobindo's first dream, the five dreams which will be read out today. So, you're welcome. We would like to conclude now Pardon? Now we're doing Nahar. We would like to invite Nahar who will speak on education, Auroville's education and Srivatsa on architecture. They have an idea that they don't want to be boring. They want to speak together. They will do it as a conversation. Please come forward. Yeah, we'll seat you. Can you go and be seated please? Yeah. Here, take it over. Hello. Yes. Just think about a city. A city which is not just only for survival. A city which is not just only for living. When you talk about cities, it's all about living. Do I need the day-to-day life? Does it give me experience of happiness? So these are things which is what generally a city aspires for. And what we are actually trying to look here or what does Auroville see? It's probably the first time. A vision-driven city. A city which can celebrate art. A city which actually has education as a core part of itself. A city which actually talks about equality and balance. A city which talks about a sustainable future. A city which is very visionary driven. A city which encompasses everything which you could actually aspire for. And in that, what is really interesting for me personally is education. How can a city itself be a platform to provide education, to provide knowledge, to make sure that people can actually grow from their inner self? I think that is what is really interesting for me. I think Naha probably you could start sharing about your experience about how a city could be. And this what we are looking at is not something which is actually new. In modern world, there are few cities that are moving in the direction. Even if you look at Ashram, Ashram doesn't have a structured campus and a foundation does not stay outside the structured campus which is how usually many of the campuses or institutions in India or abroad are based out of. If you go to Boston, you could really see like in other places which are very much part of the city. Education actually happens as a part of the culture of the city. What we are actually looking at is how can art be celebrated as a part of that education? One of the things which was very important for mother is never ending learning. The only way we get a place which allows you to learn to other lives is thinking how we work and what the job means. If we think of a job as somewhere where you go and learn we get a much more hospitable environment for people to go and change careers and go to many jobs and each time they pick something else. One of the things which we do not really need in the world going forward is people who are charge GPT per se. Because we are moving towards a world where knowledge is at just one Google away and soon you'll get it as a text. But we need people who are multifaceted and they have a wide aspect of many skills and they can bring the skills together and use them as ideas and innovate. One of the things which Orville has begun and is doing beginning to go into is creating hundreds of small businesses which let people walk in pick up a few skills and move on. It's something I've also started working on with what I do is Kajimba. We make ginger ale. I work with teenagers from 16 to 18, 19 because one of the things I realize when I'm growing up is that teenagers really want to work. Money is something that's really important for them, a small amount of independence. So that's something I set out to bring in and I've had a very positive experience with a lot of teenagers that come, initially we did manufacturing and logistics because we make soft things. Now they do a lot of photography and product styling and they just learn on the job. For me growing up it was also something that was very pivotal that if you are functioning in a team and to get projects executed very young you become a much more intelligent entrepreneurial adult which you know will definitely it's really hard to be an employee so you have to be an entrepreneur in the border world going forward you will also have people are multifaceted and that will definitely be an aspect of a new humanity humanity which is not people simplify to machines and robots but people who are the only thinking individuals. Actually just building to what Nahar has been saying one thought which actually came to me when he was making this conversation was how can you claim that the city actually provides you knowledge is just only by teaching or how can it be experiential the core part of what it sees is based on a certain form now is this form really important for providing knowledge in my little bit of an experience I would say yes because one of the primary things of gaining knowledge is also to unlearn and how do we unlearn ourselves how do we consciously move towards unlearning ourselves in a day to day life when you move forward just to give you a small example you have the form of our will there is a lot of circularity at its core and then it opens up when it goes outside just think about the street let's say in Pondicherry you have a very grid pattern straight going street and you know when you start walking in the street you know there is an end to the street you know actually you are focusing to something now think about another street where actually it's very circular when you start walking down the thing you actually can't keep a focus on anything your eyes actually starts moving at different aspects and one of the key things which actually might happen is you start to give up your past vision you start accumulating new things then you unload old things then you add new things so there is a constant process of actually using your fire senses as to how you dump and then you keep adding things and then you assimilate it and then you keep moving forward what happens out of it is obviously you start interacting unknowingly you start looking at people you know you start making eye contacts you know you start to look at certain places of focus and that is where let's say for example in Auroville you have this Matrimundir and after all these things when you really look at Matrimundir you actually try to focus on Matrimundir so you also have a way of how your eyes move and it tries to actually seek the things information what it wants to do in this aspect I think the form of a town is very very important and especially when you just think about youngsters starting to move in it traveling in it making a dialogue with the people what you end up with a possibility to have quite a lot of cross-pollination of ideas where people and mind can actually integrate which can transcend the border of your caste, creed, religion race whatever it is you start to actually you start to focus on gaining knowledge and that is what actually would happen when you have something which is a vision driven city like Auroville which is very strongly focused on in fact the charter itself says it's a place of unending education and it's very heartening to know that it's been very clearly made by the mother that it has to be about education yes so I just wanted to add this point when Nahar made this conversation something because it just came out of it one thing on to add is that I learned when I worked on it with him is that the fact that we have a circular road means you see a new vision every time that when you see a street you're really looking at a wall at the end but when it's a circular road every time it's a new you see something different so it keeps your mind very refreshed as opposed to very no we have Mahima would you come forward would you just quickly introduce good morning everyone my name is Mahima and I'm the founder of the kindness foundation I'm really grateful and appreciate the opportunity to share some of my thoughts in this very erudite and August environment so thank you for can you hear me now is this better okay alright so you know thank you for giving me your time listening to some thoughts that I'd like to share with you and whether we like it or not we have all been born into this world as part of one great human family rich or poor educated or uneducated belonging to one nation or another to one religion or another adhering to this ideology or that ultimately each of it is just a human being like everyone else we all desire happiness and do not want suffering so ladies and gentlemen here are some of our advocates for human unity I'm here in front of you today with a heart full of passion to address a topic of utmost significance and urgency that I feel is the need of the art today attaining the super mind through human unity and education this is an idea that not only has the power to revolutionize the world but also revolutionize our understanding of ourselves as interconnected beings the super mind in Sri Aurobindo's teachings is like a radiant bridge that connects the deepest part of our inner selves our unchanging spirit with the ever changing world around us it's like a divine force that helps us transform from ordinary individuals into something extraordinary and divine just as the super mind transforms us individually it also works to bring people together in a shared understanding and harmony it's like the heartbeat of oneness that makes us feel deeply connected to each other like members of a big loving family as the mother once said all human beings are of the same divine origin and meant to manifest upon earth the unity of this origin the only way to truly and permanently have peace on earth is if we all understand that we are connected as humans as a species the most crucial thing and the one we need to focus on urgently is changing how we all think and how we see the world we need to become more aware and open minded in how we understand and interact with each other this profound statement encapsulates the potential we share from teachers molding minds to students forging paths towards progress it is through education that we develop the abilities to expand our horizons dream bigger and unite for a greater cause I want to take a moment to share a small story with you in a peaceful village by the sea there was a wise teacher named Guruji he was known for his profound knowledge and his ability to guide people toward greater understanding one day some children gathered around Guruji and they asked him Guruji what is the super mind Guruji smiled kindly and said my dear children the super mind is like a vast ocean of wisdom and light it is a state of consciousness where all knowledge, kindness and unity come together the children were intrigued but confused but how can we experience the super mind they asked Guruji nodded and he told them a story once upon a time there was an island where people lived in separate villages each village had its own way of doing things and they rarely interacted with each other one day a young girl named Arya had a dream okay so I've been told I have to wrap this up so I'll quickly tell you the story and draw my conclusions from there but I had a lot of other ideas I wanted to put across anyway so the girl named Arya had a dream and she saw a beautiful garden at the center of the island glowing with a radiant light a wise old woman appeared and told Arya the garden represented the super mind a place where all knowledge and goodness were shared excited Arya told her dream to the people of her village they decided to invite the other villages to a grand festival in the garden where they could learn, share and celebrate together as the festival approached villagers from all corners of the island came together they brought books, stories and crafts from their villages and taught each other new skills and most importantly they showed kindness to each other under the banyan tree in the center of the garden the people gathered and the Guruji stood before them and said in this garden of the super mind you have shown that when you come together with open hearts you create a space where kindness, unity and knowledge flourish and so whenever you show kindness to others whenever you learn and share you create a glimpse of the super mind right here on earth so how does super mind get connected with education and with human unity it is through the one simple unity of kindness and that is what my belief is thank you beautiful we would like to invite in between we have a few more speakers but we have a very special guest N Ravi would you just come and share a few words with us good morning all my name is N Ravi I am the chairman of the Hindu group of newspapers I am not too schooled in the philosophy of Aurobindo which is the elementary sense so pardon my digression a bit this is my third visit here and always found some kind of inner peace when stepping into the portals of other world we are all in the age of enlightenment and as you know enlightenment stands on four pillars first of reason second signs humanism and fourth is progress and I think in other world to have these enlightenment ideals taken to its highest form in the quest for the super mind so I am thankful to all of you the scholars the residents of Auroville and those who run the institution for this quest which is taking us all to another place thank you we will have to wrap up soon so now who is left now? Ashok please come good morning all of you I am I think very odd person in this group I am Dr. Ashok Bade I am former professor of anesthesia and I was supposed to speak on two topics one is consciousness and one is the importance of unity so first a couple of lines only I will talk about consciousness it is very ironical to tell the anesthetist to make people unconscious to talk on consciousness but you must say that I have experience to make people unconscious and then again bring them back to the consciousness and what is consciousness? consciousness is awareness between the interior milieu and the external milieu so that you can achieve a divine by combining the internal milieu with the external milieu and achieve a divine life then a few words about the importance of unity as you all know the present world is in a very very turmoil and what in said in our civilization that it is a presenter Kalyug so I just want to tell one thing why do you think that unity is important and how we can achieve it and at what level it is required see unity is required at various levels in our ancient civilization our Vedic culture and it is already mentioned that we have what is called as the Vasudevas Kutumbakam so that world is one so when you live in the world with the diverse cultures people from diverse religions people from diverse cultures people from diverse nation who live in a global world or a global village what they call it is very important that we should have a unity I will just give a few examples when there is a outbreak in a city of being a doctor I will be just I think talking more of related to the medicine and patient care so when there is outbreak in a village like you say call it what we have to do a doctor cannot manage alone he will have to take all the people that you have doctors, you have the technicians you have the PWD workers you have the sanitation workers you have the civil administrators who have to work in unity to get the outbreak under control and take care of it similarly what we have seen during the recent cyclone that happened in Gujarat and Rajasthan what has happened in that if only one government or one group of people would have thought we would not have been able to manage the problems of the cyclone with very very less harm to the society and to the whole town similarly as all of us have seen now what has happened at a global level but from 2019 to 2021 all of us were knowing the problems that have occurred because of the COVID-19 epidemic and mind well we would not have been able to control the epidemic if we would not have worked as a global village and a global unity is not there we would not have been able to control and for that everybody has to take a part one nation cannot say that I will not be involved into that because unless all of us unite to work for a common cause then only we can take off the challenge and all of us I think like our nation has given vaccine to everybody to most of the countries in the world the vaccine was given and we were able to control the epidemic in our country and help the other countries also to sort out the issues of the epidemic so like this unity is very very important in life in workplace in the city in a nation in a world in a global village so with this I thank the organisers for inviting me thank you thank you very much we would just like to return to the topic of the supermind Deshpandeji we had interrupted you Lakshaya will put one or two questions we will keep it short also and after that everybody is invited because there is tea being served outside and there you can go and have some tea and lunch will be served at the Tamil Heritage Centre once you go out you will be directed lunch is going to be served over there so over to you Lakshaya thank you as the time is drawing to a close I would rather posit these questions as not just for the panellists also for everyone to take back and ponder coming back to the topic of the day aspiring for supermind I would like to pose this to Dr. Bailu and say and Anmolji why do we need to aspire for a supermind in today's context what I mean is and also by the way we have all gathered here to commemorate Sri Aurobin those 150th birth anniversary in a week it will be 151 birth anniversary of Sri Aurobin and this reminds us every year perhaps this could be an occasion where we read 5 dreams of Sri Aurobin though and remind what he said for New India and that takes me to the first dream of Sri Aurobin though United India so in the context of now India being one amongst the 5 top economies and the new advances like also Naha touched upon artificial intelligence in your view does it necessitate or does it facilitate the progress towards higher consciousness and the second is how do we cross this rainbow bridge between the mind and the supermind Srinivas ji this is to you you touched upon the individual perhaps steps we can take so for the city of consciousness for the city of new dawn what can be the steps for collective consciousness and what are the telltales Deshpandiji this is for you what are the telltales that kind of shows us that we could be on the path towards the higher consciousness the last one is also for Gautam Goshal Ji and Deshpandiji sorry and if anyone has some questions you may come here better that way no if I may in any particular order just to open up the conversation coming back to the main topic so I think I really appreciate this connection that you made with first dream the unity of nation India as a nation because I think as has been also pointed out by our guest Asif Ali Ji the idea of interreligious unity or all those interfaith dialogues what super mind because super mind is not only truth consciousness it's also the consciousness of unity only when that we are kind of poised in that kind of higher consciousness that is beyond mind even though at one place describes beautifully the mind which is the consciousness which is the kind of creation the world that we see works by division over mind works by union in division but only super mind works in union super mind is a unitarian consciousness so fact that we are all aspiring to rise higher connects with the fact that we are also aspiring for an inner because as mother has also said the age of religion is over and what unites us is the seeking for the higher consciousness no matter which religious background or which caste or creed those are all outer things and this is where I think India has the potential to keep the world because India alone speaks about as a civilization we have spoken about this constant seeking this constant attempt to transcend all that imprisons us in our current identity whether it is of the birth, nationality language, religion this idea of transcendence which is also connecting us back to aspiration for that higher consciousness beyond mind which is a unitarian consciousness is the key to bringing the unity at a deeper level and Auroville as a city going the way is there so I think that's what I would say at point and white and more the question was asked why should we aspire for the super mind in the current context the world has become one practically you know with the advance of technology and progress that has happened in other spheres of human existence society, politics etc etc the fact is that externally we are becoming more and more one we are one the internet was not there let's say 30 years ago in India now it's there but that is external oneness ok it doesn't mean anything unless the internal oneness is there and super mind is a consciousness of oneness the ishopanishad says tattrako mohaha kaha shoka ekatvam anupashyataha where can there be delusion or grief when you perceive the oneness you could flip it around and say unless you feel the oneness you can never really be free from delusion and sorrow the taitriya opanishad says whatever that you do not feel as yourself you will be afraid of it so you know it says that about the brahman that if you do not realize your unity with the brahman it will become a source of fear for you jobindo I mean just the last comment I'll make from the ishopanishad he sums it up so beautifully I think on the last page of saap 3 itself to feel love and oneness is to live right so my stress here is on the aspect of oneness of the super mind and that we need that inner oneness you know we are all the one self the same divine we are all manifestations of the same divinity it is to realize that oneness and super mind super mind is oneness it is it is not the perfect unitarian consciousness as he explains that is the satchadananda but that is spaceless and timeless but when you come to space and time the unity is manifested first in the super mental con so to aspire for that unity in the true way in the inner way we are externally united but you know it can be a hypocrisy the real unity is from within in the self yes please gautam ji if you can also bringing the necessity of psychic self hello I was trying to speak with reference to Srinivas ji's talk in fact it was it pointed to super mind exactly and in synthesis of yoga in synthesis of yoga in synthesis of yoga I almost quote him whenever the psychic being is opened it starts pressing you towards the super mind that is one thing and then Srinivas ji said about surrender total surrender that comes from the Gita so why is your window speaking of the Gita from 1960 1920 when he was already speaking of the super mind that is not from the super mind because the base has to be prepared secondly there are three things happening simultaneously in Srinivas yoga a deepening of consciousness widening of consciousness and a heightening of consciousness and the three things are happening with the help of the psychic and I don't think that the over mind should be neglected like this because much of the super mind principles quickly down to the over mind that makes that widening possible widening can be possible from the psychic because you can see plenty of psychic poetry from Kavir and Rabindranath Tegore but also when it comes from the super mind the widening is there and from the widening you can have that cosmic consciousness from over mind you can have that from the psychic being you have that but when you cross over then there are also gradations of the super mind and Srinivas has spoken of the gradations of the super mind the life divine and also at other places and the mother where he speaks of the highest super mental consciousness there is a phrase in the mother so these things have to be kept in mind we have to prepare the base neglect that is why Sri Aurobindo gave extreme importance on S's on the Gita because you know not only Eshadi but Sri Aurobindo talks to many other people we are all metal beings and it is absolutely should I to talk the way the way super mind can work yet you can have some perception of it some idea of it some way of looking at things I will give I will give a little negative example to start with it is very mischievous on the part of one who was closest to the divine to say that there is French there is German there there is Italian there is Indian now this kind of mischievousness which comes in spite of one's association directly with divine himself is something most dangerous and I think I mean he is the person also go and says there is American management there is German management there is society management there is Ashram management there is Auroville management now all these are mischiefs which are being played for wrong and hostile reasons we have to be clear of them we have to immediately dismiss them and see what exactly is the reality behind all of them each one has a truth of his own yet there is nothing like French Master Mandir or German Master Mandir or Indian Master Mandir Master Mandir is one and that Master Mandir is one which is the creation of the divine creator himself of the super mind super mind sees all the extensive possibilities in this creation and allows them to express themselves so that his possibility can recognize his own divine quality that is the whole who are in the creation here with a certain purpose it is with that purpose for divine quality which we have to discover and put into manifestation now that is the role which super mind plays our mind has no capacity to express our ranges have absolutely no hold on them in fact if you go further down it is to confess and hostility and disarmament so I think we should take a seat in this and the only way for we are just mental beings we have to cross stages beyond the mind the most human potentials have to be first discovered the entire hierarchy of potentials has to be discovered of Yudha Saraswati Dakshina Yudha in them that we have to start working and climb up and then try to get something in them of the super mind which is very eager to come and pour itself into us well he will ask me about the mind of light that is the unique contribution of Sherwin absolutely unique and it has come in the pragmatism pragmatism of things the mind of light is essentially the physical mind not the physical mind but the physical mind or the body or the cells or the living organism its mind which is open to super mental light and force open to super mental light and force and when that starts working in us then the real work of super mind has initiated the cosmic manifestation even those can die with apacea in the last few years was to see that the mind of light is formed of creation not only he established that the entirely in himself but at the time of his withdrawal passing away on 5th December 1950 at around 1 am the mother was standing by the side of his head and he was looking into his eyes long long long long time and then at that moment even to signal her his eyes go away go away because he could not withdraw when the mother herself was present there how can he withdraw how can she allow him to go that was the awkward reason he was asked to go away and within a short time withdrew the other world the realm of reality now when they were looking into each other a mother said later on what had happened was all the supermaterial force which he had accumulated in his body that he had transmitted into me mind of light was established even though that mind of light got transferred for the purposes of manifestation into the mother and with that mother's agenda began that the mother's agenda began to such a point that at a stage he said that for physical transformation what is necessary is that a psychic being has to materialize it is a psychic being which will materialize it is a psychic being which will give immortality and integrity to creation so the materialization psychic being takes the greatest achievement of the mother in her sadhana and she has done it and that is how she was going on now against all these things when you talk of Karamban Mathri Mandir hence Mathri Mandir Karamban Mathri Mandir he was disappointed you feel how perverse you one can be in that perversity which is being exploited by the hostile hostile because of our difficulties for instance the difficulties are horrible eyes in the agenda it is because of the agenda that we are facing all these difficulties so it is paradoxical but agenda means complete realization or the supreme possibilities the physical world here and how can the greatest hostile accept that part of nation raise his head and employ every trick to see that it is stopped delayed now it is again that kind of a fight that we had to prepare ourselves to bear in the sense that that fight we can't do that fight I can't do that fight to one can't do that fight only she can do that but our response our openness should be that we lend ourselves of that team in these instruments and unless those are there I will say entire complex of fundamental manifestation in this case of course vehemently the forces of income our struggle we had to recognize that and we don't have to run for that purpose to the courts what can the courts solve this what can the courts nothing so I would say that if that aspect which you have to recognize thank you Deshpandiji wherever the story that came from about Matraman that it's quite alarming say the least let me get back to Srinivas Ji sir how do you see I mean you said you manage the institutions in Telangana and Andhra Pradesh what is the role that you see of Auroville playing in the collective kind of work towards this higher consciousness and if you can also comment on Gautam Ji's remark that over mind is also trying to you know push for the higher consciousness right it's a two way kind of struggle what's your opinion on it as we take forward Auroville those work in various parts of the world I mean each of our organizations and each of our ecosystems is trying to work in various ways the way I see it ashram in Pondicherry seems to be the field of intensive work at the individual level in the yoga of super mind Auroville to me represents with 15 nationalities coming together in a strong collective as probably the broadening and universalization of the supplemental yoga across natures across cultures and so on and so forth and as you had mentioned earlier the individual and the collective have both a significant symbiotic relationship between them the individual as of now still struggling with the basics of yoga the ability to control the mind and establish a certain basic silence preparation of the mind as one of the earlier speakers had said the difficulty all of us face about abdicating the ego in favor of the larger work we all struggle with that and surrender even though Sri Aurobindo says it is the first and last word of integral yoga surrender of all one is and has surrender of one's character I mean these are all elements that we are struggling with and as Deshpandiji just pointed out and the quote that I had read of the mother earlier the individual striving for the psychic realizations in which all of these come together is probably the first stepping stone of integral yoga towards the supplemental realization and there are studies of consciousness across societies and all the interesting studies that I came across pointed out that if we take the median level of consciousness I mean these researchers have their way of calibrating mathematically we will not go into that when they did studies of societies based on the individual levels of consciousness many studies indicated that at the median level of consciousness we are our behavioral patterns lead towards disharmony and destruction of the society as we stand today and over the last few centuries then the next question came as to how did we survive we survived because there have been a few outliers on the right side a few people of exceptional levels of consciousness who were elevating the average level of consciousness and holding us together this further emphasizes the need for individual preparation for this lofty goal so that the individual helps the few individuals who are outliers help elevate the average level of consciousness and we are able to sustain this movement towards higher consciousness so this is how the individuals each of us and I mean this is no longer a theoretical constant it hits home unless each of us works towards the psychic realization we are probably more a liability than an asset in this journey of humanity so there is a responsibility we need to take and walk away at the end of this session that we will work towards some of these elements becoming a reality as far as Auroville and the rest of the society and all of us working together I have been a part of the initiative that Jaya had taken up on sourcing oneness we have been collaborating by sourcing individuals from various branches and centers in the Telugu states and I myself have participated in sourcing oneness programs that we have been conducting in Ninital over the years so let us all collaborate and I am sure we will find more beautiful ways of flowering together beautiful thank you Srinivas Ji is there anything else Gautam Ji anyone from the panel final thoughts and then we have Neerja with us to give a few lines please and then we have a film also he is Gautam Ji I liked Srinivas Ji's talk very much because he was also speaking in the base like me and the scope of the psyche the basic thing which is and the strategy also the flowering of the psyche the divine Agni and then surrender comes from that the psyche is related to the psyche so that is important and unless that comes about the individuals chapter 4 of the life divine Gauravindo has spoken of this if there is one individual liberated in one corner of the globe it will spread all over the globe and find it in chapter 4 in the life divine first part so that is important I liked Srinivas Ji's talk very much thank you Neerja Ji the divinity in me bows down the divinity in all of you it's wonderful to be here but I am going to tell you that everything begins at home I have twins they are now 33 but when they could speak I taught them to say the Gayatri Mantra I taught them to say Ikumkar Satna I taught them to say Lalala and I taught them to say thank you God for the words so sweet for the food we eat and then I said you know God the fifth thing you have to do is God is your friend you can talk to him about your day you can talk to him about your troubles he is there for you so for a very long time they didn't know who they were and one day they came to me and they said Mama what are we and I said what do you mean no are we Hindu are we Muslim are we Sikh are we Christians what are we I was that I said why do you ask this they went to a friend's home there was a beautiful ornate room and they said what is this their eyes popped and she said don't you have a puja room in your house and they said well my mother's got all this our mother shells and drawers everywhere and she said what do you pray so they stood up and they said the Gayatri Mantra quickly followed by the guy you know Ekumkar Satnam Laila and thank you God and she said what are you they said no then we talk to God the fifth thing is we talk to God but what are you they said what meaning are you Hindu are you Muslim are you Christian so they came home mama what are we they told me the whole story and this is what I told them I said if anyone asks you what are you just say that you are a citizen of the world and I was very very pleasantly surprised when my daughter at age 14 I had to take her to the hospital religion and I was stumped I wrote Indian because it covers everything you know what my daughter did she snatched the pen from my hand she scratched out Indian and I was wondering what she was going to say right she wrote universal I thank God at the because when things begin at home like this they don't care who their friends are the human beings and I think that if we start like that in schools in colleges when the kids are open and moldable we will bring about a united human force because by the way as every master says as every saint says we live to love and we love to live in oneness thank you so much thank you two minute film from mother's garden team three minute forty seven seconds we have Rabi Poonam Narayan sir here this part of the team they initiated a program to start to plant 900 98 different flowers and species which mother has given significance to and Supriti is here Supriti and I are partners we are architects working out of pondicherry and we are both devotees and our team has put up a presentation of what the mother's flower garden the mother's flower garden would be and also a little bit of the architecture that we are now putting together it's coming very next to solar kitchen it's a five-acre property and all that I wanted to say is there in a poem that comes at the end but I'll just for positive time I just say that twice I was really moved one when I heard mother ask what will you do for me and once when Sri Aurobindo said beat me more lord and what we see is that a flower is not anxious to become a flower when it's a seed there's something else it has blind faith that it would and then when it becomes a flower it just goes to the mother's feet so as the mother mother gardens are like a garland around I just conclude by saying four lines gardener's hands calluses are the beauty of those tender caring hands oh how do the flowers believe they were born beautiful Mali Mali ki haath ho ki shubha unke un me pade callus jay se hote hain Phoolon ko lagta rang unke wo rang par kaha milte hain thank you as you're coming slowly to close of the session we'll read a few lines from the Savitri as we know the Magnus Opus verse of Sri Aurobindo just a few lines on supplemental and we'll just keep a minute or two of silence because I think it's been a lot of information and your patience through the chaos that has happened but I guess that's how it was happened or meant to happen despite the best of the effort and behind the scenes of work it's come my sincere sincere apologies that despite the best intention and effort to serve each one of you this is the best that happened so I really seek your apologies but I also am in grateful heartfelt gratitude for understanding for being really gracious with your patience with me I moved to tears right now because I really feel touched at the same time small that the plans failed but also the fact that maybe this is what it was and I'm learning to be graceful even here I really want to say I'm sorry and thank you it means a lot to me yeah book 11 the book of everlasting day a divine force shall flow through tissue and cell and take the charge of breath and speech and act and all the thoughts shall be a glow of suns and every feeling a celestial thrill often a lustrous inner dawn shall come lighting the chambers of the slumbering mind a sudden bliss shall run through every limb and nature with a mightier presence fill thus shall the earth open to divinity and common natures feel the wide uplift illumine common acts with the spirits ray and the and meet the deity in common things nature shall live to manifest secret God the spirit shall take up the human play this earthly life become the life divine