 And then we can, and then we can actually have the interaction with, you know, with Ethereum through basic. So that's a pretty nice interoperability concept over there. So we can have code will be used as a layer and then interact with multiple chains. So that's a pretty good thing. And then, lastly, the other update I want to bring here is that this is something which is work in progress so I don't have 100% specifics but just to share information. David and I have been in touch with David and David Boswell and I have been touched with the Morgan State University folks. And we're planning to hold a metaverse conversation. And the whole idea behind this conversation is expected to be not to really actually kind of take the hype out. Because as we all understand, ominous is just extreme level of hype out there in terms of like anytime you mentioned metaverse and all this stuff. So the whole point is that how are blockchains really going to enable metaverse and what's the role blockchains can really play in there. And it's not about basically like, oh, you can just spin up a land and everybody can be a land seller or they will land owner. But what practical uses can, you know, blockchains really provide in the metaverse context. So in this context, I'm actually also in touch with in touch with a file and we might actually bring it back for a panel discussion. Oh good. So, so just to share those updates. I think that's it for now. That's excellent. I threw a link in there for curve grid on the chat. Looks very interesting. Sandy, thanks for that update that so you got a lot on the go. This, unfortunately, I'll be honest, it's much less than I was expecting because quite honestly, like I got very, very swamp with my official work with where the bunch of folks going on and and then similarly other folks who are working very closely with me, they got swamped with a bunch of things today. And, you know, this is where, unfortunately, because we didn't fully have any dedicated deaf folks, which is what I was hoping that we can get as a result of the mentorship project, but that didn't happen. So, you know, with a lack of dedicated resources working on some actual debt, you know, you can basically just you have dependent on how much trying people can just chime in. Yeah, you can just do your best, you know, and that that mentorship program is a lot of work to you know it's not it doesn't. In some cases that mentorship program will put a lot put a lot of load on you and. But anyway, you know what, let's, you know, as we as we get our footing here within the music then we start drawing some people and we can we can maybe get some other folks to help you with with with with those tasks that you need so maybe we can have more of a discussion about that and maybe we can put a bullet list together of things that you need done. We can find some some some some manpower womanpower to help you with that so let's talk about that on this court or at the next meeting or whatever you want. What do you think of that Sandy. Yeah sounds great. Okay. All right excellent thank you so much sir. I'm going to. So that's the that's it for projects because so we have some thoughts on projects and some ideas. We're not. We're we're we're focused on what's currently in the mill and that is sandy stuff that Kyle spent some time Kyle is our is our music lead. And spent some time last week having fun and work in the national music biz conference. And he's here to tell us a little bit about how that went and how much funny head, if at all. Go ahead Kyle you got it. Yeah, I won't. Well, I did have a lot of fun. It was a weird time to be there because it was also the same time. I don't know if you have a good tension but in a sense it was actually kind of nice to be there because we were the group was with we were distracted. Having fun at music as and didn't pay too much attention. Well, everyone else in the crypto world was kind of getting very upset so and everybody was pounding nobody was complaining about gas prices a. Everybody was pounding but you were still having fun. Yeah, none of us had Luna so we were really we were fine. But yeah it was it was kind of weird the first the first day of the music biz conference was all about NFTs. So I actually really the music business really know what's going on so it was fine. It really was fine. And we've got to go to a lot of parties and music industry people are very personable. And parties are fun. And yeah so there was a chat about NFTs the first day was quite a few conversations about NFTs so it's definitely on the music industry's radar, even the keynote speech at the very end it was with twitch and Warner said, just out of the blue, since it was really a conversation about twitch and all that. Some of their artists have top artists have made more money with NFTs and they have a Spotify. So it's something that's definitely very the right moment for the music industry that I actually just got off a call with the leads before I joined this call one of the leads in the MMF the MMF net, and they are the large. They were for 1200 managers, it's a big managers group in the UK, and then almost 3000 managers in the US. And I got off call one leads just now and he and I had a really great conversation about some fairly low level stuff, especially about dollars and such. So, going back to the music biz conference. Also, a couple of. Yeah, one of the days was about metadata. And even though that isn't about blockchain specifically. That's what, as far as engineering side that's really what blockchain is. One of the areas where it's innovating. So one of the areas is artists can try new business models that was touched on with the twitch conversation and the NFT day, but then the other area, and a more nerdy is, I guess, what I think about it creator credits to make sure that the metadata is lined up so artists actually get the world he's owed to them. And then there's also concepts of like beat per minutes and that kind of thing I actually thought about too much until I went to music biz conference. And that's great for those tags that type of metadata and that's great for synchronization. So, actually music supervisors as clients, which is, which is also big business but just be to be right. So, not just be to see. We had breakfast with DDEX and DDEX is the standard organization that the music industry uses again on this creator credits more royalties. They do one to one communication so it's very different than how blockchain is structured. But I think for hyper ledger it's really interesting. So hyper ledger having private transactions. Hyper ledger being a potential bridge between decentral nodes and this existing world that's one to one comms for the most part. So yeah, so we had breakfast with DDEX and that went great. And they have invited us to their plenary. That's happening in June 16. So I'll fly down to Miami and and have to prepare a presentation and DDEX is comprised of Google 10 cents universal, just all the big players. So the call I just had with the manager, that big manager group. He said that it's actually, I think the conversations are who he believes and I agree with this logic conversations are going to go a lot more malware with the major players. So major players know they're going to keep market segment, no matter how things shift. And so that means they're cool with destroying the pie bigger. Whereas with medium players, they're concerned that they might take us a smaller portion of the pie. So they're actually a little bit, one would think on the face of it that innovation and playing around with hyper ledger would happen with small to medium. It's possible though it's actually with these majors. So that's one of the reasons I speaking at DDEX plenary is is a fantastic opportunity, because we'll be speaking directly to those majors. I've had a few other meetings at that music biz conference but this manager guy just got a phone which is now that I also met with him at the music biz conference so that's why we chatted again today. So, I think it went great. The other people that went along with me I set up a whole delegation so there were two Dallas that were physically there with me. One is named Unchained Music and they call themselves Web 2.5 because they are dealing with distribution and Web 3 but they're also dealing with distribution just traditional. So they put music up on Spotify but then they also are figuring out these new organizations, ones named player but PLAER like that, Ashen. And that's in car playing music but uses entities. So they're distributing with those people but again just distributing with Spotify so interacting with Unchained Music has been great because I am also that I guess more bridge between existing industry and then the potential future industry. Then the other one that went with me is Stemsdow and Stemsdow I'm working with them on developing the legal documentation for how artists are signed when the label slide publisher is monetizing not just the copyright but the entities. So, those are the delegates that went with me and then there's a delegate that they were in Australia so they couldn't attend but they're called Mododow and Mododow has raised a lot and they've got that mouse sign so they're for the big deal. And so this guy even though he couldn't be with us there physically he has his Rolodex in the music industry is just amazing and so he set us up with a lot of these meetings. I set up the music there's one or not because I set up the DDEX one myself but all the rest of the really important meetings we had was pretty much because I have so really grateful for his assistance. And things are moving forward basically. And as Brett said there's a couple projects we have in mind one project is very ambitious the other one is more I think short term. We'll confer a bit before we propose those but I'm excited for both of them it's just when we're now. Happy to answer any questions more specific to music based conference. Lots of free drinks. Hey listen that's great. Can you just briefly describe the and for I started the recording of this later than I should have. But can you just briefly describe what the little bit about the Nashville music biz conference and how important and how significant this is and then I have a couple of things I want to ask and if anybody else has any other questions that that so. So, yeah just just so we can get a feel for the importance of Nashville we already know the importance of Nashville in terms of and by the way Kyle lives in Nashville. But we know the significance of Nashville music industry but how important is this music is conference and how long has it been going on for, go ahead. I don't know how long it's been one of quite a few years I don't know that exact number of years that's a good question. It used to be held in LA. So it switched to Nashville. Unfortunately, I don't know the details but it's the largest music conference. On the business side of things that happens every year. It's very important for people think about music events obviously Grammys right it's almost like the Grammys for the people that are doing the stuff. So for instance met it at it. So when the performer rights organizations talk to the. So like for instance one of the big sponsors of the event was paying here. It's a good conversation I'm changing music especially with paying here about crypto, because they have to use circle and paying here is a great tax system and all that. So, one wouldn't really think about paying near is really important part of music industry yeah but that's how the cash flows. So that's why this event is so important. It's off the radar for most people, because it's not. There's a few entertainers there, but not many. And they were there, namely to speak about their particular use cases so I think that there was one entertainer camera right now, but she did a deal with Budweiser for NFTs Budweiser had a tea release and so she played a show in St. I met the Clydesdale whatever the whole thing but otherwise it was it was fairly technical chats for the most part. But again yeah this is the biggest music industry is actually fairly small so it's not like the conference is a gigantic conference. But it's the largest of conference of its type for the music industry career. So great thing for blockchain. It's a great opportunity for engineers to attend, especially as an empty become more and more an important aspect of the industry. Do you think that the technology, the, the advent of web three NFTs are kind of similar to what Spotify has done to the, done to the music industry. One of the business people in the music industry feel threatened by technology and the legacy methods of making money, how they're going to be upset by, by the new, by the new ways by the NFTs. A lot of middle people are going to be cut out. As you know in that respect a lot of a lot of industries are going to be affected legal tech is going to be affected by by trademark copyright all that IP stuff. Do you get a sense to the music industry conference that there was any threat. Well, I think one of the perks of all the crypto hitting that wall was, I don't think people felt very threatened. It was a bloodbath out there. Yeah, good, good point. Yeah. So I guess that was a beneficial in that way. There are people that though if we just think about it are threatened. I was actually very encouraged and surprised how that was not really the energy I experienced. So obviously there are people that yeah, and I, and they might call just earlier today contextualize who's more likely to be threatened and kind of surprised me, but makes sense and retrospect who's not threatened right and who's actually excited about it. The majors have money to get thrown R&D so they're not threatened because they just, I believe it was different than previous cycles, because there was a shift to digital from from physical and so that those models were very different and there's a bit of denial, but now we're in digital and this is kind of digital 2.0 or 2.0 right it's not like we're creating the internet again, we're just maturing the internet right so it's even though it's a big step it's it's compared to going from no internet internet it's it's it's a smaller step. And, and they figured out what works and what doesn't work so especially in the past copyright was really considered a monopoly so get rid of any piracy period. And now they recognize. Oh, that's not a, that's not the important fight the important fight is to figure out where the bottlenecks are the different platform people are on. The platforms that's especially useful so for instance, audios, a lot of people on the border or taught music industry people. So even though audios is not doing the right things with licensing right now. I, and some people in the industry thing that they're going to get a RA knocking on the door and going to have to do a huge settlement. Other people think. Well, because it's it's the people on the board of music industry. So this is just a way for audios to scale up quickly is, is to worry about being the centralizing force. And then since they're like, you know, just have first mover advantage that kind of thing. And then since it's largely the deciders are in the industry then that'll probably just get all all squared out. So time will tell, but I yeah it does seem like administrators and such. Definitely people they can be disintermediated in the music industry will be concerned. I focused quite a bit in the conference about new business models. So again just growing that pie. So not about where we're cost savings, but where we're bringing in relationships with the fans, that type of thing that I think is is less threatening and that's going to be the energy at the event as well. Honestly, the parties that the party I interacted with the most that I thought would be the most threatened DDEX. During our breakfast there was times where I definitely had to speak with a political mind, but ultimately, we were very open and excited about the future together. So, I'm just very optimistic I mean, they didn't have to invite me to the plenary. That's that's impressive you got that invite. Congratulations on that. I was going to ask you about low hanging fruit in terms of blockchain and music. If what what you're just a simple reaction to what you see that being. And for anybody out there that is that is on the business side of the music industry, the technical side of the music industry blockchain, etc. What's your opinion on what the low hanging fruit is where's the where's the place to go is it is it IP is it all IP is it is it payments is it distribution. What's your opinion on. I know you have your field is is it a certain you have a certain field and that's maybe where your best at so that maybe where you would would look but is that the what it what is what do you think it is the low hanging fruit is everybody where is everybody going to start going to the music industry, once it really catches fire. So I feel like low hanging fruit and where everyone's going to go or there's an important distinction in that what's cool and sexy and all that that's where everyone's going to go right and so in that case it's artists selling NFTs. And, and just thinking about the first event. That's what it was very much about. You know what they have they had an artist who she was very glammed up talking about being a Budweiser. So right so they just went full on. Exciting media and entertainment with with their their narrative right when I when they were talking about metadata. That I think on a technical level and for low hanging fruit there's quite a bit of that there, but because it's very dry. I don't think a lot of people are going to run towards it. It has that potential to be niche and make a good amount of money and niche in part because it's because it is dry. So how much money can I guess when low hanging fruit and think about business potential. Then I feel like that where the energy is going to go isn't necessarily going to go to maximize business potential because energy is also going to just kind of go where the emotion is, and a lot of the better business potential. So there's hardly any emotion, which is why there isn't very much competition because people are just doing it for the business. And yeah so for myself what I think it's really exciting for just because of what we're building in Lex style. And so what actually tools we have in front of us and that's what's really important right what tools do does the individual is thinking about wanting to have available to them and their media. And so relaxed out we're doing dows, spinning up dows and those dows are legal entities as well. And so the idea of artists, creating their own down. And that's why I just got off the call with the management about they're also very excited about that. I feel as for for my opportunity base, one of the lowest hanging fruits out there. And then another low hanging fruit is really understanding the difference between the copyright as IP, and then this blockchain assets is IP, and a very different kind of IP. So we know trade markers different from copyright to jump from patent. I personally believe, and I haven't heard other very many other voices articulate this and this is my own legal theory, but I personally other people said some stuff that's, I'm not the absolute only person that has this little theory. But it's that IP that's on the blockchain is not just different from copyright trade market patent all that, but it's, it's also categorically different, because it's using it's not using statute as its basis, it's using what I would consider tort. And so that's why I'm not people say blockchain IP is tort. They've said things similarly. It's about control and possession and all these concepts to me that are natural law law of equity. And it's just like gravity just it's there. You can't really do anything about it and so legal framework to build around it more bottom up and then top down which is what statutory we have legislation, and then it kind of artificially in states it. And so I guess maybe it's kind of confusing why blockchain IP would be torches, because in some senses it's artificial because code is artificial. But it's, it's, I think, sufficient sufficiently removed enough from the individual makers that it just becomes this kind of emergent nature. And so what I would consider tort is a little bit better to understand it, then, then through statute for statute still is dialogues between individuals and so everyone can still kind of shape it with their own hands. But for blockchain type IP, people can shape a little pieces of it. But the overall thing is its own creature that not know any particular individual can take down I mean that's so kind of a point about distribute leisure right so you don't have that ability to have centralized control. And so when it truly is no centralized control. That's when I, I personally believe concepts of property that pull from areas of property law that so far be hasn't pulled from are going to be very useful. And, and that's why it's all hanging fruit because it's not creating brand new concepts of property law it's just recognizing that we should take this high tech and consider it actually much more akin to really low tech. And so the business models we can build all of it. But that that is what I personally focus on, namely what stem sellers I'm helping them build their artists. So, yeah, I don't know if that's where you were thinking that I would take that. Well, you took. Yeah, you did you did a lot of low hanging branches out there I mean. So that's, that's a good thing, but that means opportunity. I have one last question for you. I won't hog the floor here but you and I were kind of chatting offline about Tennessee and Wyoming recognizing the dows and so did. Can you do it. Can you, can you give us a little Jordan P was she's on your Lex Dow team what. What's the big no no with her about about Wyoming and Tennessee I mean I thought that would be pretty cool I mean I've gone through the Wyoming stuff and it looks pretty interesting and it looks like a great start Tennessee where you live has adopted that I thought you'd be jumping for joy but somebody on your team is is throwing cold water on it. Do you have you got a good feel for what what her problem is with it. Yeah, yeah I do and I mean that's why you get a bunch of lawyers and talk it out right. I don't want to get throw cold water if it's a very thoughtful community of lawyers right it's it's about it's about being the contrary and no matter what but but yeah she does have have. I'm actually fairly persuaded by what she's saying it's basically one of the constraints that are unique to the Dow structure. And it seems like they're not necessarily benefiting the person is creating the legal entity. They might be more beneficial to society at large, or to the government, but are they actually better for that private private parties that are going about making it. She analyzed it that was where her comment. Her comments were it's that with things like a series LLC or just a normal LLC, then there are fewer constraints it's a more generalized vehicle. And that means that the parties can decide on their own what they would like as constraints. So I suppose part of it is how much do you want the rails to be built for you and how much you come from making the rails yourself right. So it could actually be beneficial for people that aren't very sophisticated to go with the Dow structure because then they can't get themselves in trouble. Right. But for people that are more sophisticated and Jordan is very sophisticated when more sophisticated people around these days. I feel like she rather take off the training wheels. Right. So that's kind of more, I feel how she pursues this. So one piece that I definitely can take. The example is that the code that determines how decisions are made and all that can be modified, or must be modified, I believe, both Wyoming and Tennessee. So that the parties don't really have a choice to make it so that it's immutable that it can ever be modified. And then there's the question of what do you mean by modification. So there's a little bit of ambiguity ambiguity in there. But only is it telling where a structure like just normal Delaware LLC, isn't going to give any comment about structural periods so then it has to be put in articles in corporation, how that works out but it's up to the parties to fill that constraint in, because it's not even contemplated the more generalized. And then with these Dow legislations, they make those constraints. And, but then there's a question of because this is brand new world. What does that actually mean. So is it, does it constraint help. People not get themselves in trouble. That's distinctly possible. Yeah, because they might have code that is bugging and they need to fix it or whatever other reasons right. And at this point, because it's on, it's not a well determined area law that's where litigation can happen, because that's where disputes one party might perceive the statute one way another party might perceive another way and there's no case law for if the parties themselves to articulate the relationship, they're going to have that back and forth, while they negotiate it that they're more likely to have an understanding of what these obligations are. So that's a particular example. However, that said, it's really fantastic that the government is through these type of legislation saying, we want Dallas to stay around. We're a value add and long run and we all want to figure it out together. So I am part of a working group of Dow working group right now that has the blockchain association on it, City Dow, lobby three. Also, bankless now, a few others and we're growing fairly quickly. So we, one of our main points is to have conversations with the legislature legislators to so that we all can have a much more thoughtful win-win scenario. So we definitely these Wyoming and Tennessee Dallas, those are on a radar and we hope to have discussions with the lawyers are actually drafted them to. Yeah, so it's a good start, I guess. And that way, Jordan was just being, yeah, she's had very good comments, but I think she also agrees that it's a good start. We're all very pleased in the direction things are going. Good story. Well, I just threw a link up there on this, this article between are in that I that Kyle and I were chatting about Tennessee following Wyoming so that's good. I don't know if anyone has any questions for Kyle on on any of the stuff that he's been been talking about here today. Go ahead if you do. Yeah, not this is thanks. Thanks for sharing Carl. I think this is very good information. I don't have any questions I just want to comment, like just add to us to what you were saying basically in terms of low hanging fruits and you know how when you go to these music festivals and like one is all the stuff and then obviously people want to pile in on that you talk about the data is to talk about the, you know, stuff like that that's obviously boring stuff. There's nothing sexy in there. So I can totally relate to that like 100% on the banking site today. But I think this is something I think I think especially like two specific things I was actually making some kick notes on is because of, you know, like the ownership. I think there's a lot of things going on like have you like, are there any specific articles or any specific. Like, I'm actually wondering even as a part of this group. I mean what it makes sense to actually have any. Maybe have a presentation or a conversation specially around the concept of ownership of NFTs. And that's something we can also have in conjunction with the 40 team. You know, there's another, another project going on in the hyper later space is by the name of 40, and the concept over there is basically to be working on the low code or no code NFTs. And I think it might actually make sense to have a conversation together on part of that team to. It might actually make sense to have minds coming together and talk about, especially talk about the ownership and stuff like that. Like you specifically, for example, you touched upon the points of like how it's really so much of told and IP and like, you know, like the trade difference between trademark and IP. And as we all understand, I think, obviously, the general speak for like, like from a straight point of view is this like, Oh, you all have to you can own the asset but as we all understand that's really very, very far from true. The only thing you really own is the hash on the blockchain, nothing else. So, like, how do you really prove the, well, how do you really prove the provenance of the underlying asset, and in two different contexts right like I mean if you have an actual digital asset which is totally digital. I think it would be easier to basically okay well I have additional signature I can somehow prove the ownership of this. But if you have a digitalized asset, which is originally like save a film or something, or even as somehow like a, like a graph that sort of an asset which is kind of basically joined by merging multiple NFTs. How do we really prove ownership of that. And these are very cross cutting concerns not only in the, in the music side is very much the same thing on the gaming side. You know, so it's very much the same on a bunch of different things so I think the question becomes, how do we really take something which is not natively digital, and somehow in a partially digital. And now you're digitizing it for somebody producing some music somebody doing something else, and now you're digitizing it. So there's a lot of ownership of that. And especially if you have of course you have then obviously if you have any income streams coming out of that. So there's so many different things, you know, which can be spoken about over there. So I was basically just gonna say that I think these are really important topics and I think it might actually make sense to have a specific discussion. And when you guys already have somebody might take, we could probably set up a presentation, especially around that topic. Yeah, that would be excellent. I think that's a great idea. That's a very big issue in terms of true ownership. Like you just explained, and I was going to just piggyback off of your comments and just ask how, how do the artists feel about this. Are they really receptive among them and also the fans. How do they feel about real I mean do they really understand that they don't actually own the asset that they just own just like Sandy described just a hash. The ones that are really, you know, soldiers on the ground, which are the artists and in the fans, do they really understand the implication behind it behind the technology. Well, I mean, I mean, because it's artists and fans is a very, there's a lot of different stakeholders right so I mean, there are certain artists that they really were blockchain and they think it's harming the environment and they're just immediately upset by it right so they had just had that emotional relationship and fans as well. Right so, and some artists need to be aware that even if therefore their fans might have that mentality and they could hurt their own brand. That was definitely an issue last year I don't know how much of an issue it is this year, but some artists have to think about it. From a few points of reference that maybe we don't need to consider so it gets fairly complicated. Sound XYZ is an example where they very clearly don't even try to have the copyright be what's owned, and it's really just the comments while you own the NFT that you can all and sound XYZ has already brought in a few million for artists. I do believe in those situations where the artists tend to sell out their NFTs, then in the short one at least they're happy because they're making money, and for a lot of these smaller artists, it's really important to make money somewhere somehow, just so they can keep themselves going. Their fans I could see their fans. I'm not understanding what they're purchasing and so I'm getting upset by it. That's one of the reasons though that I'm really trying to keep the bringing in the word asset for NFTs. So respect NFTs as assets that can be worth a lot of money, but then also very clearly silo that away from copyright. So when I'm saying it's a tort IP, what I'm really trying to do there is use this legal concept tort, it's fairly well defined, and then use that as a way to really keep easily in a brand ways, keep separate that idea of it as an asset a very important asset. From this whole copyright paradigm, where a lot of artists don't really understand the copyright paradigm period anyway, right. And so they just know copyright exists they don't know the distance to the recording and copyright, but neighboring rights which is a really big deal in the music industry one of the reasons I think I got that planary meeting was because I said hey, these NFTs are the royalty coming from NFTs when we structure them while we're going to be like neighboring rights happen just like 1020 years ago. So this whole new area of revenue coming in right talking to artists, I would say very, very small percentage artists know what a neighbor right is right and they don't need to. They just know there's this whole copyright asset and they might or IP and they might just, you know, copyright trademark don't even know doesn't but they just have an understanding when he comes in for that. And so if we can just my hope is as we can if we just say hey look there's all that and then there's this other thing this NFT world and that that is a different asset but it's still very important asset. And so that's why bringing in concepts like tort, if we can kind of clearly separate those two ideas and the artists and consumers mind and just two ideas, it's not that complicated that I think people are going to not get up or we're more likely going to have everyone be happy with with outcomes or at least understand why outcomes happen in certain ways. If we can do that. So right now it seems like a lot of the industry is kind of muddying the waters between copyright and hash right. And so what I'm really trying to do is go the other way, have them very clearly differentiated. And then we can talk about putting together in a container. That's good. Very good voice. Yeah. Yes. I just think that that's kind of a muted point that really doesn't get discussed. And not that, you know, anyone has to know the intricate parts of it but just kind of knowing the flow and and how things work. I'm sorry, Sandy. I didn't mean to cut you off. But I think that's a great idea. I think we should plan a meeting dealing with a presentation, a panel discussion, something on that level. Yeah, no, you didn't you didn't cut me off at all when I agree. I think we can probably discuss this on this go to something to and see what other topics we want to bring in here but seems like pretty pretty interesting and in the pressing issue in the topic to discuss. Thank you. Yes, thank you. Thanks Kyle. Anyone else have anything for anybody here now. If not, we'll wind this up. Kyle, you and I are going to go. I'll send you a link for a for another chat if you got a few minutes on a couple of things. I'll close this off here. It's being recorded. So thank you everyone. Thank you for joining us. We hope you get. I have a link set up for our next meeting and reminders that the join the the Miesig group here. Thanks for taking the time to join us and Kyle, thank you for your time. And a great presentation Sandy thank you Randy thank you good to see all you folks and we'll see you maybe Friday I'll be around doing doing this presentation with Sandy and she's doing the NFT squad so that's film she's in cons I believe still but so we have some stuff coming up folks keep your eyes on the on the wiki and the notifications and we'll talk to you all hopefully in another month or so. Bye for now. Thank you. Bye bye.