 two million people are undetained free roaming about the country They've gone before a judge a judge has issued a final order of removal How many ICE agents do you need to deport them? Congressman I think What we need is legislation to fix the broken immigration system because let me you don't need legislation to overcome a final order of removal Look I get it you want comprehensive immigration reform and a big amnesty thing very unlikely that's going to happen So we have to operate under the laws that exist now So under the laws that exist now a judge has told 1.2 million people that they have no right to be here. Do you plan to remove those 1.2 million people? Congressman with the resources we have and I would appreciate the opportunity to answer your question fully with the resources We have we have to allocate those resources how much money do you need to report all of them? How much money to how many agents? To to the port the 1.2 million who a judge has said has no right to be here Congressman the quite there are a number of questions that your question Raises with respect to whether all of those individuals actually have been given to process No, no, they have these are the people who've had the new process Okay, and here's the point you have no plan to remove them You don't know how many ice agents it would take and you don't know how much money it would take because you actually don't want to remove them Oh, that's why you issued the September 30th guidance that says well, you know If you haven't committed a crime and he just came to our country illegally We're not gonna remove you in that your position. No, it isn't congressman not at all Then then what is your plan to remove the 1.2 million? Let me if I may accept. Do you have one? Yes, yes, we do if I'm a congressman as a former prosecutor Let me ask you a question if one has a finite amount of resources and one has a finite number of hours and One has a choice of removing 20 shoplifters or three Vugitive arm bank robbers. How would you spend your time? I know how you've spent yours I know how you've spent yours by my decreasing by 48 percent the number of criminals you arrest Deporting 63 percent fewer convicted criminals. You have the lowest Deportation rate in the history of the department, right? Your data that you cite is misleading. No, it's your data This is actually what your own agency is reporting So do you think that it just might be the case that one reason that we will encounter the highest number of illegal Immigrations in our nation's history this month and next month because everybody knows that even if they come here Even if they go through the removal procedures even if a judge issues a final order You still think there might be more due process and you have no plan to remove them And then when I ask you what the plan is you say oh well resources I got to make finite decisions. I go back to my first question How many ICE agents to remove the 1.2 million? Congressman, I'd be pleased to provide you with a resourcing Data subsequent to this hearing if I may and I think it's telling that you I think it's telling that you got Plans for pronouns and you got plans for misinformation But when it comes to the plan to remove the people that have had due process, you don't have one at all now 800,000 people have encountered your CBP agents and those folks have been released into the country Like some of those people are gonna commit crimes aren't they? Congressman may I have a moment to answer your questions? Will some of the 800,000 commit crimes? Yes or no? undoubtedly Undoubtedly and so the Americans who are the victims of the crimes for the people that you release in the country are Collateral damage that you are willing to accept in order to have our border function as a turnstile And you're willing to accept that collateral damage congressman. I couldn't disagree with you more Let me let me give you if I can some data that will actually How about this? Oh, how did it how did it feel to you when you went to the border and the border patrol agents turned They're back on you one of the border patrol agent turned his back on me and I addressed that as Only leader the leader of the Department of Homeland Security just a quick correction It was only one border patrol agent that turned us back on the DHS secretary But he was doing it on behalf of a group of border patrol agents who had a real problem with Bynes border policy So if I can return to data because I want to We see that you have accurate information Everyone knows that you have more people coming in than ever and you're removing fewer people than ever And it's because you have no plan and because it's on purpose see I don't buy the theory that you don't know how to do this I think you're actually a highly competent dude But the reality is your plan is to bring these people in and to send the message to the smugglers and the criminals That they will never have to leave that's why your workforce turns their back on you And you have tools that you could use to deport these people you have facial recognition You have flights going all over the country dropping people off And I think we ought to use the best tools in the country to find these folks round them up like they were the Capitol on January 6 and deport every last one