 Okay, good evening everyone welcome to tonight's common council meeting before we ask our city clerk to read the quote for the week Like take just a couple of seconds to thank all the public that when I go on to the public and talk to people They've always telling me we watch the council every Monday, so all those people are out there watching us Thank you very much in particular John Vandermel who religiously watches the council meetings and offers a lot of advice and suggestions We will let go to the quote of the week. Thank you Keeping score of old scores and scars getting even and one-upping always makes you less than you are Thank you very much Call the eighth regular meeting of the common council to order. Please call the roll Born bauk excuse Decker Yesha Hannah Heidemann Kittlesen Clowness Meyer Montemayor Rindflash Ryan Surrock Vanderwheel for Hassel and Wongamon 15 present quorum is present old man Heidemann, which please lead us in the Pledge of Allegiance. I Pledge Allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the Republic for which it stands One nation under God Indivisible with liberty and justice for all Thank you all in Heidemann next item on the agenda is approval of minutes president Hannah. Thank you, mr. Mayor I move to approve the minutes second motion and second to approve minutes under discussion There is none all in favor say aye. Aye any opposed Motion carries minutes stand approved mayor's appointments attorney McLean Honorable members of the council hereby submit the following appointments for your consideration to the Sustainable Sheboygan Task Force All of them Jean Clowness or Vicki Meyer David Bebel all that enders Jim Hulbert John Hill Thomas Grittinger Scott Hansen Thomas Henning Sarathil Ted Ballas Pat Hartley Vicki Hall Dirk Xyleman Reagan howl aughty Jeffrey goins Sue busy and Aaron Brault all Appointed to be appointed 721 oh eight terms expiring for 20 oh nine signed by the mayor These appointments would lie over just as a point of explanation here when we have representatives From a particular entity for example the Sheboygan County government area school board UW Sheboygan Chamber of Commerce, etc We actually call them and ask them who they would like to to nominate as a member Representing them. That's how those numbers names got here those appointments will lie over. Thank you very much attorney McLean Next item on the agenda is a public forum madam city clerk First on the list is Catherine schner. Is Catherine here tonight? No, she's not here. Okay next on the list would be Henry Kapitilo Henry, can you give me your home address, please? Yes, that's 1619 North 38th Street, and that's in the town of Sheboygan And you will have five minutes. Thank you Over the past week or so I have been reading various news articles and an editorial regarding the anticipated city of Sheboygan budget deficit According to the Sheboygan press some older Persons believe the deficit will be over two million dollars the mayor says it's too early to throw out numbers regarding the deficit Because we don't know it should not surprise anyone that city Sheboygan is or will be facing a budget deficit I personally heard the city of Sheboygan would be having a budget deficit in the fall of 2007 and at that time it was projected to be over a million dollars City officials and elected officials should be operating in a heightened cost-saving mode since they already know that over the past several Years spending levels have far exceeded revenue levels both federal and state funding to municipalities have also decreased steadily over the past years Taxpayers are also seeing costs going out of proportion in such items as automobile fuel utility costs gas and light Food housing and medical but at the same time their wages are staying at the same level How many of you have heard the saying spending or living within your means? What this means is that you should only spend money that you have and not money that you think you might have How many of us have gone out and purchased something because you say to yourself well My tax return will be much more this year Then I can afford so I can afford to spend the money now and be able to pay it later Only to get a surprise when you don't attest you don't get what you anticipated to have How many times have we seen the council approved spending when some of the persons knew that the city was we're operating at a Deficit how many times has the mayor hired non-union staff at between 10 to 15 thousand dollars above the starting salary? You hear well. This is what it takes for someone to live in the city Sheboygan because of the residency requirement Not too long go to the council and the mayor. We're talking about going to Germany again this year Didn't the mayor and the city officials go to Germany a year ago? You hear well the money came will come from other sources and some of the individuals will pay for their own expense Do not make excuses to spend money that you do not have but be consistent in cutting spending over the past year I have I have said that city officials and elected officials should look at what impact Their vote on various issues will have in the short term and in the long term Approving spending today may have a far-reaching effect a year or two down the line If you want to cut costs do it consistently and not just when it is something that you do not support and Your opposition does do not approve spending for fire department. Do not have spent Do not approve spending for the fire department and then deny spending for the police department Be consistent in your ability to hold a line on spending and live within your means I Commend Alderman Gisha and Alderman Hannah for their willingness to be upfront with the taxpayers or Sheboygan and to voice They're concerned about the city's budget deficit And also to include various measures that they think would be recommended to the council to limit or eliminate the deficit The first step in the first step in solving a problem is to admit that you do have a problem By taking the initiative to look at the problem now You will avoid putting yourself in a position that you will have less options down the line to resolve the deficit issue I also commend Alderman Bourne and Verhasel for their efforts to look into shared services with the county in order to save money for the city and to reduce Additional cost as for the hiring freeze. I think it is a good idea to start But I would look at what impact this will have on various departments Specifically, I would say the police department if if we're looking that we are already understaffed and We're looking to put a freeze on the positions What's going to happen when you really do need to hire additional officers? I would hope that there be some options made available For the council to approve various positions that would be needed that it would be critical For the city and I would say especially for the police department as for all the other measures that were presented I think they are a good idea and I think that Some of the older persons should be commended for their initiative to to look at this and to say You know what? We have a problem now. Let's deal with it No, let's not just put it away and then look at what might happen down the line I know that every year we get to this point where it's coming towards the end of the year where all of a sudden you start Hearing well, we're going to have less money. We're going to have a deficit and there's always Some of the older persons that are putting out initiatives of what they might do to solve that issue I'm happy to to see that at this point that the council is looking at this seriously like your additional minute Yes, and to actively discuss the issues that are going to be presented at hand of how you could resolve The issues of the deficit and how you can handle this in a matter that it is best in the for the best interests of the taxpayers of Sheboygan and I get and again I would commend the older persons that are looking at this and are seriously looking to do something about it Thank you very much. Thank you And last this evening is David Litzke and David excuse me. Could you give me your home address, please 131 Lincoln Avenue, and you will have five minutes, sir. Thank you okay I'm here tonight as a citizen a taxpayer and Since only have six minutes to talk or actually five I'd like to give it down at five Let me get straight to the issues of concern First I'm here tonight to chat with a challenge to grow Sheboygan I would like to see the city council focus his policies toward the establishment of sustainable growth in terms of jobs and real estate development Growth is the only sustainable way. It's the only way to sustain the city's viability as a partner with business ensuring continued investment by its citizens Over the past year I invested over $30,000 in my home on the north side of the city However, after such investment I'm starting to think I should have invested my money in a growing community such as the town of Sheboygan or another city such as Plymouth or Manitowoc. I Personally know of numerous individuals who moved outside the city of Sheboygan to flee its seemingly increasing state of decline The streets and residential neighborhoods are in need of repair and the lack of tree planting is shedding new light on this deterioration No pun intended As this blight becomes more and more evident Sheboygan citizens will continue to move to growth areas The proof is obvious town of Sheboygan Apple Valley Manitowoc were the one small town of Waukesha We need a success story similar to that of Manitowoc I've got a document here That's basically going to be a transcript of what I'm reading and I'd like to hand it out to everybody Because there's been recent articles to include I think a week or so go into Wall Street Journal about what Manitowoc is doing Second the city council needs to adopt a means to increase understanding and awareness of the city budget as it relates to Sheboygan Taxpayers in other words the citizens need to understand that the vast majority of their property tax goes to the county for social services Not city services without a full understanding of the situation homeowners can misdirect their energies which may result in less city services while their tax bill continues to increase the Proposed resolution to cut the city tax from eight dollars and forty two cents per one thousand assessed value to eight dollars and thirty seven cents per one thousand dollars of assessed value Could save the average homeowner a whopping six dollars However, with no control over the tax other taxing authorities the average owner homeowner may still see an increase It should be noted that while the city of Sheboygan has no control over the other taxing authorities It does have control over citywide growth Which which provides part of the revenue used to help fund other taxing agencies Third the council should develop a method to understand departmental performance and material utilization Before mandating blind cuts in the city budget that affects service to citizens And at this time, you know what I'm trying to do here is I realize the budgets are tight But on a short term you can you can make cuts, but I'm looking at you know my children I like my children live in Sheboygan someday I left Sheboygan because there was wasn't a lot of job opportunities for me here that has not changed in 30 years And and I think part of it is before I came up here you can easily get into this Let's look at cuts. Let's look at cuts and there's nothing wrong with that I'm all for optimization But I think somewhere there has to be a plan to say look at how are we going to do some other things here? And there's nothing wrong with looking at other benchmarks other communities that had that have done it So with that said I would I have even a little side note. I didn't do it I was going to bring in an example of my my curbing. I got it my office I really brought it over for engineering to look at because I don't understand it, but it's all you know My whole neighborhood. It's falling apart and I have a big chunk of it with me here And I put all this money into my house But if you look up and down my streets the curbing is all imploding so I even said here So eventually I'm going to feel like I live in the town of Sheboygan where they don't have curbs People who care about their community don't want to live in neighborhoods of this disrepair So I'm just trying to move the focus from let's not cut too deep You know, you know be fiscally responsible, but also balance that with the services like for example I'd I'd like to see some new street development. I'd like to see more trees develop I think last year I had some statistic that we planted somebody told me like 14 trees You know, how many did we lose in this recent storm? And if you want to make a neighborhood look bad remove the trees. I Mean nobody people will move and they don't know why and I see it over on the south side of town I drive through there and I see the top the parts of the south side kind of running down And if you look around there's no trees over there trees make a big difference So I'm going to hand this out the big thing was I wanted to I've been amazed with what's going on in Manitowoc And you know what? I think we can do the same thing here. You know, we have the same resources We have the same hard-working good people So that's I just wanted to spend five minutes because I just felt that there was so much talk of cutting that some of there Had to be a another side to it other than that. So thank you very much for your time. Thank you We can pass them out at the end pass them out at the end. Just leave them there. We'll get them out That's it. That's it. Okay. Thank you very much next item on the agenda as a mayor's comments I'll be talking a little bit about the budget committee or council committee roles and responsibilities and then the code enforcer which we've talked about over and over again, but Before I talk on the budget, I'd like to preface my talk with a quotation by Josh Billings And he said the problem with people is not they don't that they know so much The problem with people is that they know so much that ain't so and Sometimes we will run into that when we talk about the budget We don't have a budget deficit Folks council, you know that we balanced our budget three times last year And I'll say it again for the people we do not have a budget deficit this year The impression is we have a deficit right now We don't have a budget deficit next year. We haven't done a budget We have expenses that have accrued that are added up in addition to what we spent last year But if having more expenses means you have a deficit Every municipality school district and county have a deficit as we speak They have increased expenses, too And all the budget is is what is your revenues and what are your expenses and do they match if they don't? Then you've got a deficit after you passed a budget, and you don't have enough revenue to meet Your expenses you have a deficit. So the sky is not falling. We don't have a budget deficit We're working very hard on our budget. It's all preliminary. I Would like to to tell you a little bit about our anticipated sources of revenue and then work our way down to the breakdown of the the levy anticipated general operating budget and so far But if we look now at our anticipated sources of revenue For the longest time state revenue sharing has been about 46 percent Our tax levy has been 41 percent That's 87 percent of our general operating budget or our levy Our levy not general operating that means that the state controls 87 percent of our budget effectively They don't give us any more revenue sharing They limit your your levy by two percent two and a half percent or your growth whichever is larger They in effect control 87 percent of our Levy the other sources of revenue is Interest on investments fund equity applied licenses and permits fines and forfeitures And we have other little pity things that come around and gives us money so that we can meet our expenditures Keep in mind. We only have so much revenue and our expenses After we budget or after we balance our budget we'll go up next year They didn't just go up this year or last year They will continue to go up every single year from here on till you're done being a member until I'm done being an mayor mayor They further the state further controls our budget by expenditure restraints, which is good, which is bad They've decreased the rate on manufacturing. I don't know if any of you will recall last year We had to come back with about three hundred and eighty five thousand dollars because they knocked it down five percent We have no control over the assessments on manufacturing the state does They decrease our transportation age These are things we have no control over these are things you as all women cannot pass a resolution and say we're gonna get more And you're certainly not going to get more from the tax levy because the only way to get more than two and a half percent Or growth whichever is larger is to do a referendum I can bet on what people are going to tell you on that one. They're gonna tell you flat out. No Now we've looked at our anticipated sources of revenue whether or is our money coming from that's where it's coming from How do we break it down in terms of the city tax levy? Where does it really go? 67% of all that money Goes to our general operations. That's everything the government does here our city government 17 goes to debt service that's the money we borrow. We have to pay back. We have to appropriate that separately 13% goes to the library fund We pay we give the money in appropriation so that they can stand in operation 3% go to transit That's how the breakdown of the tax levy is so again 67% And 17 comes in for us the risk goes to the library in the transit people ask all you have all this money. Where's it going? That's where it's going Our anticipated general operating budget for next year will be about 36 37 million dollars That doesn't include the library front in the transit. I'm talking about general operations Now If that's how it's broken Generally, how does it how is it broken down specifically when we look at departments in the city? I'll tell you police gets 32% 32 so every time I hear we're not adequately providing funds for the police I don't know where people are getting these numbers from 32% that's about a third of our budget that goes to police Public work gets an aspect chunk 21% goes to public works Fire 20% So if you look at police and fire, which is regarded as public protection and safety More than half of our budget is appropriated to public protection and safety Folks if that's not doing our job. I don't know what is We take very good care of our police officers police department and our fire department If you hear otherwise It ain't so No pun intended I'll explain this Administrative 17% Parks and senior center for all of you of you who do not know we do Appropriate for the senior center the senior activity center 9% goes to that And then we generally try a 1% contingency and that can go either way So we know what where our revenue comes from we know how we're breaking down in general terms and we know where specifically is going for department Now I hear people may or quit raising my taxes may or i'm paying too much in taxes And I keep saying it and I will keep saying it till I get blue in the face 32.1 of every dollar everybody pays out there Comes to the city We're not getting it all folks. We're not getting that whole dollar you pay 32.1 That's all we're accountable for the county gets 20.6 percent The school district gets 39.2 percent The rec department gets 1.5 And the rec department is the same as the school districts are there in effect getting 40.7 percent Almost half of every dollar that people pay in taxes Go to the school district not the city not all of it school district LTC Gets 5.9 percent A lot of you don't know that leg short technical college levies against the average citizen And gets 5.9 percent of the tax levy And the recreation is somehow buried in the school district and they get that Now it's important to note that LTC and the recreation department Although they legally levy against the taxpayers Do not have their board members elected by the taxpayers. They're appointed By the school district officials and by the county officials That's how that goes. Nonetheless, they still levy And who knows we can't forget the state right they get 0.7 percent the state gets a little bit of our appropriation So folks i'll say it over and over and over again until i get blue in the face every dollar that people pay in taxes 32.1 percent comes to us the rest goes somewhere else In addition to that The people of sheboygan are being levied about 13 and a half million dollars by the county 13.5 million dollars is being levied against our taxpayers by county And some people are starting to wonder what are we getting for it? Because they don't have to show an accounting of it It's brought into the general operations. It's commingle and it's appropriated I don't know Now we've talked about a proposed rate reduction of 5 cents on the tax rate, which is 842 currently per thousand Which will drop to about 837 per thousand What is that going to do? On the average and we're looking at an average home now because of inflation and all that other stuff it factored into mortgages An average 200 000 home will be paying about 10 less per year It doesn't sound like a lot But my wife is going to be jumping up and down because she's the type that pinches panties and 10 bucks is 10 bucks folks And we have over 2,300 and something dwellings in this community And it's going to impact everybody in one way or another Now that's what it's going to do to the taxpayer. What's it going to do to us? When we reduce that rate we collect less one would think one would be correct The impact on our anticipated revenues will be approximately 126 000 We can absorb that we can absorb it to prove To prove to the taxpayers and when we talk about holding the line on taxes and reducing taxes We're talking business Now the train has been moving forward We've stopped the train We're causing it to go back by doing the 5% reduction It's a major monumental step if You pass that resolution tonight Because that's still up for grabs We have expenses that are going up. We know what we pay last year We know we can mathematically figure out pretty well How much more our expenses are going to go up because of it Automatic increases in salary wages churns premiums lights gas gasoline We know mathematically what those increases are going to be pretty close So we need to look for alternative sources of revenue. We did that already Subject to a lot of controversy with the ambulance fire base ambulance We're expecting a good revenue a non-traditional source of revenue to generate some additional revenue to make up for these Increases in revenue and increases in expenditures. And so that we're able So that we are able to maintain the current level of police and fire protection That's key quite frankly. That's how Manitowoc did it. That's the only way they could keep up We're also looking at anticipated revenues in municipal court The decertification of tiff district that's coming up is going to mean About three hundred eleven thousand dollars just our share thirty two point one percent Because when the tiff expires although no no other entity put any money up as soon as it expires They want their share We get thirty two point one percent and then as I said the county gets twenty point six and the school district is thirty nine point two But our share of the decertification of this tiff district that's expired will translate to about three hundred eleven thousand dollars Revenue additional that we didn't have last year And that's because our increased value now has gone up about 40 million dollars So when we say that there hasn't been on yes, there has all you got to do is drive around town in the riverfront It's been a lot and we do expect our excessive valuation to be about 2.5 billion Which is great Which is about two and a two point five percent increase Not bad folks We're also hoping to realize some anticipated revenues from shared services. We're about that close To come in before the council to approve a joint venture a shared service with the county on hr And the purchase and agent We're pretty close that's going to save a tremendous amount of money there that There'll be some carryover and money that does not have to be appropriated Ullerman balk is here come in sir And then we're also looking at possible anticipated revenues and Some changes in our insurance as we did last year So these are just some examples of where we can look for other sources of revenue to Match our anticipated expenses That we see coming But we don't have a deficit folks. We don't have a deficit yet We have a lot of uncertainties and a lot of preliminary numbers And that's why I don't like to discuss preliminary numbers because people hold me to them But you said well there was preliminary And this is why I have a little difficulty with uh outburst in the newspaper that like the paper printed The sky has fallen. We have a great deficit not yet And not if I can help it and I know not if you can help it. We're not going to have a deficit Tonight's resolution that calls for layoffs That calls for a hiring freeze I should say And that calls for a decrease in the tax rate I support When alderman hannah and I talk about that we talked specifically about providing much Anticipated and requested tax relief from the taxpayers The word layoff has been mentioned sometimes overly mentioned by the media It's not happening yet. Those are alternatives. They're not realities Alderman hannah never talked about layoffs We talked about tax relief to the public they keep asking for it And I would hope at some time The people would go to the school district to the county to ltc To the rec department Don't bother going to the state. I think for 0.7 percent, but Go to these other jurisdictions folks And express your feelings like people express their feelings here We are doing our job. We are doing our job so incredibly well That because other people aren't really keeping up with us our efforts go unnoticed Pretty much or unappreciated But that doesn't mean we need to stop doing what we're doing. So I challenge the other entities do what we do They'll feel people will feel the difference in their pocket. They're going to feel less and less money being paid Because tax relief I really really believe doesn't just involve the city government It involves the school the county involves a concerted joint effort by all the tax and jurisdiction including Our elected officials from the state It has to start over there too. It has to stop with the unfunded mandate It has to stop with decreasing your transportation age. It has to stop with no more shared revenue It has to stop. It has to stop with a lot of things the state has power to do We have no control over but we feel the ultimate impact So it's not an effort that we can just say well the city we're doing it It's going to take more than us But I think we've showed and I hope we show again tonight That we're serious about this tax relief to people And again the budget process has just begun and it doesn't end until november 24th That's the day you adopt the budget In the meantime, I'm going to be meeting with department heads to address The additional expenses and to hopefully address the decrease in the tax rate that will be best tonight I ask you to please be patient. Let's work together as legislators and administrators To bring a good end to The additional expenses we're going to have this year and we're going to have next year and we're going to have next year And we're going to continue to have The next thing I'd like to speak to you a little bit about just very briefly committee roles and responsibilities I've had some some ballroom and express some concerns and it basically has to do with not every Action the council take has to go to the committee of the whole not every action has to go to finance or to Public protection and safety or to public works I'm asking let the committee do their work You don't have lately we're having multiple Referrals because everybody's got to look at it. We need to trust the judgment of the standing committees The people elected as individuals They're doing their job the best they can and then we need to take a look at that They may have different answers than we do that just the way it goes And it's important to me that that we do that because I think that helps the morale And then I would also point out to please work with me work with me and avoid into the extent possible legislator micro management I have a lot of work to do i'm working very hard with my department heads and it's very difficult for me To work when they're out there doing other things because some old man has asked them do this for me right now We can't and this doesn't not that blatant at times But it's very difficult for me and I will tell you and I've told my department heads I hold them accountable for the manner in which they conduct themselves and the manner in which they respond to me I do evaluations and it's just that's when I when I when I look at those things and then finally Code enforcer for the public in particular. We've hired roger severson He started working today monday He will be in training For a few days the learning curve is very small for this gentleman because he's very qualified had great credentials Paulette enters and I feel that we could literally just put him out in the street He'll be able to do his job, but we're still going to do some training There's some training that needs to be done But I would say that no later maybe even towards the end of the week, but no later than next week The code enforcer will be out in the public Checking alleys front yards back yards rules anywhere that he can take a look at to see if the code is not being Being violated in terms of garbage Now this person that has been hired roger severson will do nothing but Enforced the code That's it So what is the effect of that we're going to get people to call the alderman I just got a citation or I just got a warning or I can't afford it. I can't afford it. I don't have a car a truck At some point people are going to find out it costs more money to keep garbage in your yard than it does to get rid of it It doesn't have to be that way But that's the way it will be for some And we're not doing it to generate revenue We're doing it because people plead with me and they've played with you Keep our city clean And we have chronic people chronic they keep coming up I mean I get so frustrated when I have to ask building code inspectors Would you please send these people a letter and they pull it out a file that's got 30 of them already These are chronic people at some point. They're going to say It's costing me too much money. I better get My yard clean Now we're going to have some funny quotes. I'll share one with you one guy even told us. I didn't think you people were that serious Folks we're serious. We're cleaning up our city And all it takes is a little effort on the homeowners part and the landlords part It shouldn't cost any money The only way it's going to cost money as if the yards aren't clean and kept clean With that I'll end it. We will move on to the consent agenda 8 1 through 8 14 with the exception of 8 2 which we will refer back to committee of the whole There's some issues on 8 2 that need to be resolved and discussed And the best place to do it is the committee of the whole uh omen bulk So 8 1 through 8 14 President hannah Well, thank you, mr. Mayor. I'd move that all our rows be accepted and placed on file And all our C's be accepted and adopted very much their second All right, vice president born Thank you, your honor before I second second all of an hannah's motion I would like to hold part of Document 8 8 the the first item That was uh That item number one was originally council document number 7 25 That went to public protection and safety and they're asking it to be filed However, because I've been unable to get the parties together For a law and licensing committee meeting I will be getting the parties together for our law and licensing meeting on august 12th I would like to hold Number one on this document until the council meeting on august 18th when law and licensing can report out Okay, please make a motion make a motion to hold item number one on document uh 8 8 until august 18th Motion second any discussion All in favor say aye Any opposed motion carries Again consent agenda 8 1 through 14 with the exception of 8 8 which is being held in 8 2 Which is being referred a committee of the whole alvin ryan comments are thank you mr. Mayer. I would like to uh Put 8 14 up for a separate vote. I need to make an amendment to it So Okay, 8 14 will go for a separate vote. I need a motion from your alvin ryan I would uh Motion to uh Accept an adopt report committee accepting adopt the report committee Is there a second second okay under discussion you can make your amendment now Okay, I would like to under section uh 2 6-396 of this regarding retaining walls. I would like to eliminate Third line down after Where it says the provisions of this article I would like to eliminate accepts first sections 26-395 and 26-396 26 395 and uh you it formerly dealt with the uh the height of fences and 396 dealt with the setbacks now 395 in this document is the abatement Of nuisance fences and 396 is dealing with retaining walls So we would just like to eliminate that to clean it up Is there a second to that amendment second under discussion on the amendment alvin ryan has discussed is there any more hold my ryan Okay on the amendment only You're done Right, but or you're done. Okay All in favor say aye. All right any opposed Motion carries now. I need a motion to uh motion to uh put the report a committee upon its passage as amended Motion and second under discussion There'll be a none Please call the roll on this one Warren bauk decker yisha hannah Heidemann kittleson clayunas meyer montemayor rindflash ryan sirak van der wheel for hassel and wangeman 16 ayes motion carries going back consent agenda has been a motion to second to uh To approve 8 1 to 14 with the exception of 8 2 being referred back and 8 14 already acted on Is there any discussion on their balance? There is none. Please call the roll bauk decker yisha hannah Heidemann kittleson clayunas meyer montemayor rindflash ryan sirak van der wheel for hasselt wangeman and boren 16 ayes Motion carries report of officers 2 We're holding 8 15 for 8 39 We were a whole 8 16 for 8 38 We were a whole 8 17 for 8 40 And we will hold 8 18 for 8 38 items 8 19 through 25 to be referred Resolutions introduced 3 8 26 by element hannah creating a special committee on handheld mobile telephone use While driving a motor vehicle in the city of sheboygan president hannah Well, thank you, mr. Mayor I would move that the resolution be put upon its passage Second motion and second under discussion Oh president hannah Thank you. This is just to formally study the issue so the public understands that there's been a request We've uh, we decided a public protection safety that deserved to have a a subcommittee look at it There's a finite date with a report back to the public protection safety Good clarification. Thank you. Any other discussion? There isn't none. Please call the roll Decker Yesha Hannah Heidemann kittleson clayunas meyer montemayor rindflash ryan sirak van der wheel for hasselt wangeman boren and bauke 16 ayes Motion carries 827 by olman geisha and hannah establishing 209 budget guidelines olman geisha Thank you your honor. I move that the resolution be put upon its passage Motion and second under discussion President hannah Thank you, mr. Mayor. I'd like to I'd like to offer a Friendly amendment a further resolved if you will And this is an all-do difference to uh Bill bitner one of our department heads So further resolved that the current approved hirings by salary and grievances Shall remain in full force in effect for a period of two weeks After the passage of this resolution second Motion the second to amend as noted. No, that's okay. I only have him repeated I even wrote it down this time. Thank you Any discussion on all member hasselt? I'm sorry. I don't have a question on the amendment. No question on the amendment. Okay uh All my geisha on the amendment. Yes. Thank you It not just to uh bill bitner, but actually it goes back to your comments in deference to Our our members on the salary and grievance committee of well who are in the process of doing certain hirings That that were right there on the cusp So uh, so in addition to mr. Bitner also our own committee. Thank you all my geisha All of my cleaners Thank you, and I guess I just ask you for clarification. I guess that helps. Uh, why the two week only Um extension on it. Okay It's my understanding that It's in the process. It's in process and it's just about It's in the process and we're sort of looking at bill bitner here to say get it done Okay all of them I guess because I haven't don't have a copy in front of me. Was it specific just to the public works department for the two weeks? It's it's I'm not aware of any other Approved hirings by salary and grievances that are outstanding right now So I guess by default it does but I don't know of any others that are outstanding Let's check I did notice that a packet we have some additional ones public works assistants and others that included in that or is that not Whatever the salary and grievance committee has approved. That's in the process of being interviewed at the moment Is included And that includes what's in today's packet center that includes what's in today's packets in the other matters There's two positions there What are you talking about position one is a public works helper That's already been hired. It's already been hired And the uh position of There's a mayoral assistant. What's this the last one that's also been hired Um And that's been hired through salary grievances or has that come through I guess no that doesn't come That that was already approved by salary and grievance and it's been fuel pursuant to seller and grievances instructions to use schedule x Okay, and then has that come in front of this The full council until today. Yes is the question Question I have is Obviously the two weeks that we're making the amendment for does not include What's already come in front of salary grievances, but whatever's coming from solid grievances. This is the first I've seen of it Does that make sense everybody if they have those have been approved by seller and grievance Which they have they're included in this By that amendment, okay. Now we do have some other issues that are going to come up For example with the uh city engineer Uh and and that there is an exception in the document that says that in case in extenuating circumstances The mayor can approve and the council can approve then it follows back the process that it was in place And I guess What I'm following through is with those is that extenuating circumstances emergency circumstance or where is this The other side of the issue is if it's not specific to public works as long as somebody's already been in the process We're going to create a free-for-all of hire in the next two weeks. Uh is my concern with that with that, so Okay, then I will support that agreement. I do have concerns regarding 765 and 766 the two positions that had not been in front of the council yet Well that you need to say something Okay Thank you, mayor and comment council. I guess my question is The city engineer position went through salaries and grievances and we've advertised and we're accepting Applications do we have to go back through the process? If you don't fill them in two weeks And I guess I just want to say as a department head that that's a critical position and that could put us Behind the eight ball, you know position is that what city engineer? You you shouldn't have any difficulty with that, but there needs to be a policy in place. I think elmer gaish has made pretty clear There is an exception to that in the event that we have instances with Extenuating circumstances like this one and in particular because our code requires that we have a city engineer So that would be extenuating enough, but it would be committee. It would be committee to common council committee meetings Back to it could be a Month to six week process. That's the way I understand it Okay, I got a lot of lights coming up elmer gaish. I think you need to respond to that I'd be happy to to address that. Thank you your honor the easy answer is yes because The the process and I don't want to speak to the amendment because that's not what we're discussing we're discussing the point of a The amendment and for that amendment the answer is yes, it would have to go through the process it's And department heads would be required to make a case and we can discuss that during the amendment that it is a Emergency need but if it's a something by statute that we're called we're required to have obviously that would make that a Very positive discussion in my person And to any expediency that may be afforded it will be so afforded Thank you. We have next alman wagerman you had light answer Thank you your honor I'm deeply concerned about a hiring freeze I'm Worried we've got winter coming up and if winter is anything like last winter. Are we going to have enough people down there? It's especially the dpw. I know they're Point of order we're talking about the amendment. Yes, we're talking about the amendment a good part Alderman I can talk about the amendment Thank you your honor I guess then because we do already know that the city engineer position is an emergency one We do know what's by code That does seem to say that the language is there that it still must be approved by the mayor and city city council to do so That's in black and white. We still have to do the process of actually approving her to go ahead and apply for that So that she can go ahead and hire I think it's it's a little difficult in the actual application time for someone to apply for a job that may or may not be Technically there. So I would ask then if we're going to grant two week Under the amendments for one department Simply add that position as well As one under the exception because we're already looking at within our budget hiring that position anyway Sort of a discussion to those to the person that made the the amendment That will avoid that Absolutely, I would accept his additional language for that particular position What was your original language? You said a lot of things we haven't we haven't voted yet on the amendments Right, so he's adding So I would amend the amendment after it's voted upon including that however since we haven't voted on it yet I would simply ask that the person who made that motion to amend to change the motion Add that position at least we can save ourselves one vote Are you in agreement with that? Absolutely Absolutely very friendly very friendly. Okay, city engineers been added on Okay, anything else on the amendment Please call the roll on the amendment Gisha Hannah Heidemann Kittlesen Clowness Meijer Montemayor Minflige Ryan Suric Vanderwheel for Hassel Montgomery Warren Balk and Decker Sixteen eyes motion carries I'll engage any motion to approve as amended That's right I make a motion to To approve 827 as amended with the friendly amendment. Thank you under discussion on the motion Oliver Hassel Thank you, your honor Item number three on the now therefore be Resolved reads emergency exceptions to the hiring freeze must be approved by the mayor city council And then follow the standard hiring process Can I ask the two authors that is the assumption that the standard hiring process includes salarine grievance? Yes, yes, okay. Yes Thanks It sure does goes right back to what's in place now We have alderman ryan next Thank you, mr. Mayor. You know, it's a a difficult thing a hiring freeze But I think it's prudent that we do so Um As as we've we've heard tonight. We don't we don't have a deficit next year and You know, we can look at it that way or we can start making Some motions now to try to get things in line that indeed we don't have a deficit next year Obviously, uh, uh, this is this is pretty well written that there are there are exceptions key personnel You know when it when it comes time, it's it's a lot easier to have a hiring freeze than it is to have layoffs if need be And unfortunately normally when it comes to a lot of positions, it's It's a last in first out So a lot of the people that may be hired between now in the end of the year May not have a job anyway. So I mean it's uh, it's it's it's it's a good thing to do. It's a good preventive measure It's uh, it's fiscally prudent and therefore I'll support it Okay, old man, right and next we have old man white man Thank you, your honor as I started to say before Incorrectly apparently The hiring freeze does concern me a great deal As the gentlemen spoke to before People are worried about the infrastructure of our city They're worried about are we going to have enough people to do the jobs we need I know right now the city is still desperately trying to clean up The trees and things that are down and they're having a tough time doing it And I'm I'm really wondering that as people retire and so forth if a hiring freeze is really in order Uh, I hope we're not throwing the baby out with the bath water You know, it's just one of these situations That we have to try and decide, you know Do we owe the people service or do we owe them? As it was stated, uh being fiscally prudent, you know, of course we want to be fiscally prudent But we also owe our citizens services. We owe them good streets and uh efficient garbage pickup and I find it, uh difficult to Especially with the winter months coming up now And if we have another bad winter, we're going to be we might be in deep trouble Now we could go to an emergency process where We would hire people, but can you hire people who are qualified snow plow drivers and that sort of thing? I I don't think you can just hire them off the street, you know, so this concerns me. Thank you. Okay. Thank you Alderman present hand. Oh, thank you, mr. Mayor and and you're right. We do not have a deficit We're in the early stages of the budget process. I felt it was important That we have this conversation as a collective body to kind of set the tone and support you In the budget process. I think it's very important The council be unified behind you. You've got a monumental task ahead of you as you had last year And you'll have into the future I think last year we we dealt with setting the tone in the policy in june This is a month later Um And I just think that this is a prudent step to take. I think the document allows for us to fill Emergency physicians where needed it also sends a message to the taxpayers that we're trying to be good stewards That you've you've let us experiment you let us do some things that other city councils may not have done And I think giving a little bit back in terms of tax relief Is kind of a thank you for for taking a chance on some of our ideas Excellent point. Hold on. Hannah Hold on a flash. Oh, thank you, mr. Ma'am Uh, I think this is a lot of of um Perhaps sound and furio that signifies very little Um Because we are entering into the budget process. It does give us some strength to say, okay Where we're at in hiring that's where we're going to be and we're and for we go towards the budget That's a valuable tool. I think the rest of it though is number two It's hiring freeze for all permanent full-time positions not temporary not seasonal Not part-time positions. It does create us some leeway that we can bring in people that You know the temporary part-time seasonal that can fill in and To help the city operate and emergency exceptions. There's no Try and true definition of what emergency is So it does give us the opportunity to really kind of define that any which direction We can go so I warn people that that You know who may be terrified of this I think it gives us a great tool to move forward upon As the city is saying that we are going to hold the line in the budget But those are terrified that that say that you know the city is it will Be in flames and burn down is that no we do we have given ourselves enough tools within this one to Really make sure that the care of the city is upheld So I will support this at this time. Thank you Cleaness Thank you, your honor. Um, I Appreciate the effort. I think five cents isn't a lot Five cents on a thousand is not a lot I think the other thing that I would hope this would do would be to have department heads think Creatively about the way their department is run Um, that's even harder to do To to to read to read to get a new mold to get a new Shape to a department That could mean Changes in scheduling change in job responsibilities Efficiencies that maybe we don't want to look at I think there's a big challenge here not just you know tweak here tweak there a couple cents here a couple cents there To you know to run a department in a whole different way would be the a great You know accomplishment. I think for all of our departments because this is the 2008 I would imagine some things are being done like 1950 in terms of maybe the way things are scheduled or whatever so I would challenge department heads to really look at the big picture Thank you all McLean us and That's exactly what we're going to be doing. It's an excellent point. I think uh department heads are already thinking In those lines and I'm glad you bring that up because it's very important to hear Hallerman Kisha One more time. Sorry. Uh, thank you. Um Just to address just a couple points. I I couldn't I I've I've learned a lot from older person clayunas About sustainability and and that's kind of what we've talked about it in finance and things And that's what we're doing here is to be able to sustain increases $800,000 Is the increase For employee expenses based on contracted raises and step increases for 2008 in our city budget Pardon me for 2009 in the future city budget $800,000 that's already in place add Debt service on the bond for the police station add about 240 thousand dollars in In cost for maintaining heating and lighting and cleaning the police station, which we desperately needed nobody I voted for the police station as well Add increases in fuel utilities being being being being being I think we don't have a deficit This is a kind of a general running discussion between mayor pares and alderman hannah and I I don't think we have a deficit Because nobody's added it all up yet I think if you added it all up today, you'd say we have a deficit for the moment and needs to be fixed We'll argue about that forever 90 percent of our city budget is pay and benefits Someone else mentioned that this is kind of very little when it comes to the hiring freeze and so forth We can because 90 percent of our budget is pay and benefits. We can also make up those amounts fast Or then cutting the cost of paper clips or turning off Lighting all very important things and things we should be watching But we can gain these and fill this gap created by these additional expenses quicker I agree wholeheartedly it's going to cause our department heads and the mayor and I said it to the mayor when we were in discussions on this is It's going to be a lot of work And I think the department heads and the mayor are up to the challenge just a note regarding winter coming up And having people be afraid of winter With with a hiring freeze I think dpw is down six employees. They were down six employees for this last winter So it's not like that as being a gutted situation. They handled it extremely well much like the storm With their current Levels we do have a lot of retirements coming up in the future. We look at the average age of our city employee And we can make those decisions under emergency hires. Those are key positions, but certainly there'll be a lot of Administrative work, but that's why we have hired. I think extremely skilled And qualified department heads Their department heads, they know where they're with what they can do and what they can't and they're very skilled to implement these things And it's a big challenge to them and to the mayor and uh, I hope we can all support them in these very difficult efforts Thank you. I want you to Okay, there are no more. There is no more discussion. Please call roll Hannah Heidemann Kittleson Clowness Meyer Montemayor Rindflige Ryan Suric Vanderwheel Verhassell Wangeman Warren Bauch Decker And Gisha I 15 eyes one no Motion carries 828 lies over 829 through 834 to be referred The report of committees 6 835 by law and licensing recommended denying beverage operators license number 7913 Based on the applicant's failure to include all relevant convictions on the application The record of violations related to the licensed activity The record as a repeat law violator and failure to cooperate with the committee Vice president borne Thank you your honor. I move that the report of committee be accepted and adopted Motion in second under discussion under discussion is miss angel josh here tonight She's not here your honor very well, please proceed Miss josh had two opportunities to appear before our committee one by certified mail She did not appear so failure to cooperate with the committee and then the other violations that you uh Mentioned we decided to deny the license Thank you very much any other discussion They're being non, please call the roll Heidemann Kittleson Clioness Meyer Montemayor Rindfleisch Ryan Suric Vanderwheel Verhassell Wangeman Warren Bauch Decker Gisha I And Hannah I 16 eyes Motion carries 836 by public protection and safety recommend in filing documents submitted to communication from the Mung Mutual Assistance Association of Sheboygan Incorporated requesting permission to hold their Mung Summer Festival on July 26 and 27th at Kiwanis Park And to close off Kiwanis Park Drive through traffic Through traffic to and from north 14th street and north 17th street and approving all requests In their letter and that's including the request of two uniform police officers at the association's expense President Hannah I would love sorry Alderman Rindfleisch Thank you You were there Thank you, Mr. Mayor. I'm moving up the report of committee. I'll be accepted and adopted Motion and second under discussion Alderman Gisha Thank you, you're on. I'm just going to take this opportunity because this has a portion of it that answers That asks a question that I hear quite a bit regarding officers Being paid by festivals. I see they're offered to pay for two uniform police officers I've been informed by finance that when that happens That that money then goes back into the police overtime budget when we receive the money from the festival that's using them So like this festival and all other festivals That's how the money comes back into the police department because obviously we pay those folks And then it comes back per finance I thought I was told it went to a chief clarification fund Separate line item your honor Thank you for the explanation. Alderman Gisha any other discussion on 8 36 has it been motion and second There is none all in favor say aye any opposed motion carries 8 37 to be referred Report of committees 7 8 38 and Vice president borne will take 8 16 and 8 18 And that's by law and licensing submitting the facts and findings in the matter of the quasi judicial hearing regarding the alcohol beverage license number 22 28 held by kevin blondie's blue phoenix at lc Kevin nyhouse agent and beverage operator's license number 61 96 vice president borne Thank you your honor First, I'd like to take a document number 8 18 and I'd like to make a motion to accept and file the report of officer Is there a second motion and second under discussion? There is not all in favor say aye. Aye any opposed motion carries You see thank you your honor, uh, then next i'll take document number 8 16 And I would also like to make a motion to accept and file the report of officer Is there a second second motion and second under discussion There is none all in favor say aye. Aye any opposed motion carries Please continue. Uh, next i'll take document number 8 38 And on that one, I'd like to move that the report of committee be accepted and adopted Motion as motion is second to accept and adopt report of committee 8 38 under discussion under discussion your honor After the quasi judicial hearing on this matter. It was a unanimous decision by the committee to To ask for a suspension of mr. nyhice's beverage operators licenses personal bartending license for 30 days and also 30 days on his Liquor license with his establishment Thank you, mr. President boron all the month of my life Thank you your honor. I perhaps my button wasn't working We have a letter 8 18, which we just filed From the attorney and 8 47 from the attorney regarding Agenda item number 8 38 and 8 40 the letter from the attorney say that Uh Shenane let's see I received notice that the committee's recommendation is scheduled to be presented tonight I respectfully request that this matter be heard on a later date I have yet to receive the committee report and will need additional time to adequately adequately prepare for this presentation and That has to do with shenanigans and with the blue phoenix vote. So I would make a motion to hold those two Because of the letters from the attorney Motion a second to hold 8 38 and what else 8 40 8 40 Under discussion on the motion to hold vice president boron Thank you, your honor council for both establishments Had notice that they were supposed to get the remarks into the city clerk's office by thursday afternoon Our city attorney Followed through and got his documentation into the city clerk's office on time The attorney for both establishments did have time to write a letter And I disagree with the fact that he did not have enough time and that if he had time to write a letter to get this letter in Another another few minutes or a couple of hours He could have spent on this and still got the response in to the uh To the uh City clerk on time also as been a procedure of the law and licensing committee for many years We do not accept any oral arguments in these matters only Only written written arguments Okay, any further discussion on the motion to hold And For clarification all of them wanted my order hold for how long for the next council meeting Until the next law and licensing meeting No, that's already been there council meeting council meeting council meeting council meeting. Okay Okay, the motion to hold Attorney would you like to address? Vice president boron hold on hold on you can't yet. Yes, your honor I object to opening up the floor to the attorney If you're going to open up the floor to the attorney then I want our council hired again for the for the uh for the council I want to be able to call attorney adams and also the police department We do not accept any oral arguments from the from the defense lawyer. It's past policy Then we're going to have to do a complete new quasi judicial hearing in front of the council And I don't know if we want to go there And then that's a very good point vice president boron The reason I ask the attorney if you wish to speak is because he was raising his hand And the only way he can is for the floor to be open Okay, we can't deny him that opportunity if the council opens the floor So since he's raising his hand does the council is anybody here want to make a motion to open the floor? No one, okay, so we don't hear the motion is To hold till the next council meeting. It's all that's on I see you. It's all that's on on the plate right now I remember in place Thank you. I saw you. I wasn't trying to ignore. Oh, no, I just wanted to point out I did wish to speak regarding that issue and not the previous issue. So The process I think regarding the quasi-ducial hearing I think needs to be clarified to uh to all the all the persons that aren't necessarily in that situation Or have not sat on that committee before And for the public at home What happens is if there is sufficient uh evidence of Like a better word wrongdoing the law licensing committee requests presence of the people and if At a meeting and if further discussion finds out that they seem to be unwilling or unable to fix the problem The committee can request That they voluntarily turn in their license for a certain time frame within a certain For a certain number of days for a certain time frame If they choose not to do so and to Proceed on the next step would be a quasi-ducial hearing. It's quasi because There is no judge involved the judge and the jury is the same. It is the same law licensing committee that asks for voluntary Turning in of the license itself If that seems unfair then that policy needs to be looked at and perhaps we do hold the quasi-ducial hearings If front of whole council be aware these things take a long time To do but if we're not going to just accept the recommendation of the committee Then we need to redo the policy and go in that direction If we're not going to go in that direction of holding the quasi-ducial hearing in front of all of us Then we should take a recommendation of the committee that has heard the evidence at this point in time So a little bit clarification regarding that regarding holding it right now is that the evidence has been heard I believe You might also it is it is not a dramatic courtroom experience. It is all written documentation as well of both sides of the issue And that written documentation is what is in front of us as well So if I'm just letting you hear the whole court quasi-ducial hearing again, it's already there in front of us So at this point I would say let's take the recommendation of the committee If you want to change the policy in here, then let's do that but at this point in time Under our current policy has been heard already within that committee. Thank you So we will call a Roll call voice vote on the motion to hold and that's it if that fails And we will proceed with the motion to accept an adopted Court of committee all member has all the motion to hold Thank you, your honor on the on the motion to hold I guess just clarification I'm hearing that there's precedent or is it official policy unofficial policy that we don't allow oral arguments because the motion to hold is basically A vehicle to help bring that argument In front of us in two weeks or three weeks rather And I'm hearing that that's not possible If that's the case, then I guess I would pull back to the original committee's decision. Okay, uh, my president born Thank you, your honor just to expand on what alderman rindfleisch said These issues have been fully vetted at the committee level Fully vetted And uh, the attorney was aware that he had to get his remarks in by a certain amount of time And if his law firm has to work 24 7 to get those in he knew what the deadline was Our assistant a city attorney who also was a very very busy man Not only had to do the documents for this but had to do the documents for several other ones So I do not favor in delaying it The law and licensing committee Has spent a number of hours on this through the through the process And as alderman rindfleisch says if you want to change the process And have all quasi's in full in front of the full council Then that's fine, but that is not what the process is now. Thank you thank you All right Ryan This will be brief. Thank you. Um, my question is If the attorney representing these these establishments Were to have us hold this document and come in in two weeks Now does he have the right to speak and do the if he if he does not Have that right to speak under Statutes or the the rules of law and licensing Then it makes no sense to hold this if he does I mean for the the sake of His clients here that you know, this is what we're really dealing with is the The individual tavern owners here and not the Not the attorney himself If he does have the right to speak or they have the right to defend themselves Then I would I would support holding this if they do not have that right Then there's no reason to hold it. We might as well pass it tonight The right to speak will be in the form of a Legal memoranda so to speak presented to the council in advance. Council can review it And that would be all that way we can see this Yes, yes unless of course the council wants to come back and open the floor and all that kind of stuff Which is what I think all vice president borne has been trying to address over inflation Uh, second time. I'll try to clarify again Also, if you examine the the memo regarding regarding the incidences at all three instances The parties involved Reached a stipulation stipulation basically as we've cracked me around. I'm not attorney So please crack me over on but the agreement to the matters of the case the facts at hand Okay, we're going right back and to explain and everything. I'm saying it's within Might as well have the quasi judicial hearing. No, no, I'm saying for the all the persons here presence Regarding the documents in front is if you look at it the documents are there There is no other additional information brought forth that can be brought forth. They've already agreed that it's True, so I'm not sure what we're going to hear beyond that What is it worth hiring? you know our council Again the for the council, I guess Council for the city and considering on the hiring on as well when I think the facts are there the committee's done the fact finding They've reached the the the agreement. I think we should go with what the committee says I'll move on to my order one after that. We'll take one more and then we're going to call vote Thank you your honor I would expect that within two weeks perhaps the defendant Himself may want to speak and I can't imagine we would deny that or if we would Perhaps the attorney would have Written things for us to read One more and that's it. I'm going to call the vote and vice president born Thank you, your honor to answer all our person monta mayors Question Know the defendants would not have a chance to speak unless We opened it up and had a total quasi judicial judicial hearing because the evidence has been heard. It's here for you to review And we can't open it up to the attorney for all our oral arguments or the defendants because then We've got to be able to provide Both sides of the case again because you're only going to be hearing one side And I don't know if you want to go through that process of you know Possibly spending an hour and a half on each one of these cases in addition to our regular council business That's a decision you have to make but this is the current process The issues have been fully vented Both the both the prosecutor and the defense have had an opportunity to present their written remarks And uh, we've we got a letter perhaps not as is lengthy as the defense would have liked But they had the opportunity to get it in by by thursday noon. Thank you Okay, the motion is to hold there was a sec a motion to to hold in a second A little bit of a hassle you still wish to hold your second on that one You're going to withdraw your second so there's a motion to hold is there a second to that motion Second, please call the roll Hold on Are we calling the roll on both 38 and 840 to hold? Yes. Yes. All right Kittleson Clowness Meyer Montemay or Excuse me. Yes Rinflaich Ryan Suric no Vanderweal for hassle Wongamon Warren no Decker Gisha Hannah and Heidemann Two eyes and 13 nose Ocean fails. There's a motion to accept on that reporter committee 838. Please call the roll Meyer Montemay or Rinflaich Ryan Suric Vanderweal for hassle Wongamon Warren Decker Gisha Hannah Heidemann Kittleson and Clowness 14 eyes one no Motion carries 839 by law and licensing submitting the facts and findings in the matter of the quasi-judicial hearing regarding the alcohol beverage license number 25 21 Held by bureau culinary schools Marcel bureau agent vice president boran Thank you your honor first i'll take document number 815 And i'll make a motion to accept and file the report of officer Is there a second motion second any discussion on the motion to file There is none all in favor say aye. Aye any opposed Motion carries please proceed Thank you again your honor next i'll take document number 839 and i move that the report of committee be accepted and adopted Is there a second second motion and second under discussion under discussion your honor after the quasi-judicial hearing Again, this was a unanimous vote by the committee to Do the license suspension for the uh for the bureau culinary arts and i might add for the committee's information that Mr. Bureau has stepped forward today and surrendered his license at the clerk's office Thank you vice president boran On 839 to accept and adopt the report of committee. Please call the roll Montemay or Rindflash ryan siruk vander wheel for hasselt wangeman boran Decker gisha Hannah heidemann kittleson Clowness and meyer 15 ayes motion carries 840 by law and licensing Submitting the facts and fines in the matter of a quasi-judicial hearing regarding the alcohol beverage license number 24 59 held by shenanigans dachry bar llc Jerry jeremy jacob's agent vice president barn Thank you your honor first of all i'll take document number 817 I'll make a motion to accept and file the report of officer Motion and second under discussion There being none lane favor say aye. Aye any opposed motion carries 840 continue Uh document number 840 your honor. I'll move that the report of committee be accepted and adopted motion and second Under discussion under discussion your honor. I just want the council to know again that it was unanimous Uh decision by the uh committee to suspend the license for a period of 45 consecutive business days Thank you. West president boran are being no more discussion. Please call the roll rindflash ryan siruk Vander wheel for hasselt wangeman boran Decker gisha Hannah heidemann Kittleson clowness meyer and montemayor 14 eyes one no motion carries 841 by law and licensing recommend and grant in various licenses as president barn Thank you your honor. I'll move that the report of committee be accepted and adopted Motion and second under discussion All in favor say aye. Aye any opposed motion carries 842 by law and licensing recommending denying beverage operators license number 79 34 based on the applicant's failure to include all relevant convictions On the beverage operators license application the record of violations related to the license activity and the record as a repeat Law violator vice president barn Thank you your honor. I move that the report of committee be accepted and adopted Motion and second under discussion under discussion is eric schrader here tonight Mr. Schrader is here your honor mr. Schrader. Would you like to address the council? Please step forward Your honor if you don't mind I'll yes, please continue hold hold on I'm going to report to the council the information that we received on mr. Schrader who did appear At our law and licensing meeting last uh tuesday night Mr. Schrader revealed a 2006 ordinance conviction for underage alcohol A 2006 traffic conviction for absolute sobriety And a 2008 ordinance conviction for underage alcohol The record of conviction should have revealed should have revealed as is follows Underage alcohol 2006 absolute sobriety 2006 obstructing 2007 And underage alcohol 2008 mr. Schrader should have revealed all convictions This is this was his first opportunity to appear before us. Mr. Schrader owes 452 dollars to the municipal court That must be paid before the license may be issued if granted Three of the violations are directly related and occurred within the last three years Therefore based on his repeated violations Related to the licensed activity and his status as a repeat law violator It was the recommendation of attorney adams to deny the license Thank you Please first first. I'd like to say thank you for seeing me. Um, I have done in trouble In the past uh, as you can tell past years I with the obstruction. I really just forgot I knew going in for the application. I need to Tell him about all my fines all my Wrongdoings and I it just slipped my mind. Um I have been trying to stay out of trouble. I slipped up this past year a couple months ago and got in trouble with the law I've living with my brother and two roommates, so I'm working and trying to pay bills. So I really can't afford to get in any more trouble um I'm looking towards paying all my fines off and just bettering myself That's it. Thank you. Thank you very much. Thank you Okay, the motion, uh, is to accept and adopt the reporter committee 842. Please call the roll Ryan Suric Vander wheel for hassle Wongamon boron Decker Gisha Hannah Excuse me. Thank you. Heidemann kittleson clayunas meyer montemayor and rindflige 13 eyes two nose motion carries the license has been denied 843 by law and licensing recommend and grant in the change of premise for ashley's bar and grill with the caveat that the city clerk receives proves from the owner Of a lot that he gives permission for them to use the property for their event Vice president borne Thank you, your honor. I move that the uh report of committee be accepted and adopted Motion and second under discussion There is none. Please call the roll Suric Vander wheel for hassle Wongamon boron Decker Gisha Hannah Heidemann Kittleson Clayunas Meyer montemayor Rindflige and ryan 15 eyes Motion carries 844 by finance recommend and authorizing a transfer of appropriations and the 2008 budget Establish an appropriation for police department training from a donation from walmart donation Excuse me From david judy french for police department vehicles and a grant from the u.s. Department of justice for police uniform vests I'm gisha Thank you, your honor. I move that the uh report of committee be accepted and adopted and the resolution be put upon its passage Motion and second under discussion There is none. Please call the roll Vander wheel for hassled Wongamon boron Decker Gisha Hannah Heidemann Kittleson Clayunas Meyer montemayor Rindflige ryan and cirque 15 eyes Motion carries Ordinances introduced 10 845 lies over 846 to be referred Matters laid over 11 727 ro number 103 0809 by the redevelopment authority Regarding the former kingsbury property at 739 north water street The authority is currently evaluating for development proposals for the site Before remediation of the site can occur utilizing various grant funding An environmental consultant must be secured to do necessary environmental studies and consult On environmental issues that may be incurred during excavation and construction The redevelopment authority is recommending contracting the sigma group for a total of compensation total compensation of 47,431 dollars Alderman ryan Thank you, mr. Mayor. I uh move that the ro be put upon its passage Motion and second and that is to accept and file them accept accept and file motion Alderman montemayor Motion and second under discussion There is none all in favor say aye. Aye. Any opposed motion carries 759 ro number 1040809 by the board of electrical examiners submitting electrical contractors Licenses which have been issued. Is that you all in place? Who's it? Alderman kittleson Please all in kittleson you're on I would Make a motion that we put the um accepting file to accept and file the document Motion to accept and file is our second second under discussion There is none all in favor say aye. Aye. Any opposed? motion carries 745 resolution number 680809 by alderman geisha authorizing the appropriate city officials to execute a docked space agreement Alderman geisha Thank you your honor. Um, I move that the resolution be put upon its passage Motion and second under discussion There is none all in favor. I mean, please call the roll Vanderwill for hassle longan foreign Decker geisha Hannah Heidemann Kittleson Clayunas Meyer Montemayor Rindflash Ryan and suric 15 ayes motion carries 746 resolution number 690809 by alderman geisha Clayunas borne bowt and montemayor Authorizing a transfer of appropriations in the 2008 budget Establishing revenue and appropriation for funds received for drug enforcement almond geisha Thank you your honor. I move that the resolution be put upon its passage motion and second under discussion There is none. Please call the roll for hassle wangaman borne Decker geisha Hannah Heidemann Kittleson Clayunas Meyer Montemayor Rindflash Ryan Suric and Vanderwill 15 ayes motion carries 763 resolution number 70809 by alderman borne Authorizing the city attorney to engage The services of special outside legal counsel in their in regards to the quasi judicial hearing hearings for bureau culinary schools and shenanigan daiquiri bar llc vice president borne Thank you your honor. I move that the resolution be put upon its passage Ocean and second Any discussion There is none. Please call the roll wangaman borne Decker geisha Hannah Heidemann Kittleson Clayunas Meyer Montemayor Rindflash Ryan Suric Vanderwill and for hassle 15 ayes motion carries 6764 rc number 130809 by city county shared services Recommend and filing documents submitting a communication from the chairman of the law committee of sheboygan county Regarding the matter of joint dispatch and stating concerns that the city is moving to change its software provider, which will Significantly impact the ability of the sheriff's department and police department To continue to share services that currently exist Which leads the law committee to question the commitment of shared services and that was a mouthful Thank you Thank you your honor. I move that the rc is accepted and filed Motion and second under discussion Altman ring place Thank you, mr. Mayor I was not able to attend that meeting And it's something of great concern to me As I often speak in this committee here. It should be obvious that that it's something that i'm concerned about So Have not having been there. However, though it concerns me to read in the statement from the from the county city county shared services not only regarding the concerns regarding the the technology that the city would like to purchase but specifically Where it is here concerns that the county absorbing the full cost associated with this endeavor This oversight procedures control location have not been adequately addressed and feeling that the city is moving to change its software provider Which again, I said that that may I get that I understand that that concern regarding that the first part about that is Isn't that what we've discussed and passed that I said we took away previously Our commitment to only making them pay for the entire amount and looking into a more equitable statements And it's something to come back to me and say no if you know the city is going to pay a half Well, we just heard beginning of this meeting that out of every dollar that a city taxpayer pays Two thirds or half of that goes to the county. It doesn't go to the city itself or I'm sorry. It's 40 percent. That's correct You know that that only the city dollars is a portion of that amount And if we're going to have a a full accounting of the county is enjoying Some of the benefits they should definitely sit back and and look at how we better equitably pay for that A 50-50 split does not make sense. Never has made sense Um But I think this this council is on record saying we're not asking for 100 for them any more and so I'm surprised to see why that language is back in here from that committee Thank you And then again, I think there was a document that was laying over from the previous time and it needs to be filed And it's all we're acting up president hannah. I wonder it's it's carryover. Yes, it is carry over and the spirit of cooperation is much improved Thank you Okay on Filing the document 764 all in favor say aye any opposed Motion carries 767 rc number 13060809 By city county shared services recommended filing resolution number 410809 by elmond verhasel and borne Authorized the city to initiate a shared services study with the shabuitan county government for the purposes of determining The most cost-effective efficient location for a joint emergency dispatch Uh all the money went to my own Thank you your honor. I move that the rc be accepted and filed and the resolution be placed on file Motion in second Accepted adopted rc any discussion All in favor say aye. Aye any opposed motion carries 765 general ordinance number 330908 by elmond montemayor Suric meyer decker and verhasel amending the municipal code So as to include a change to pay schedule x-class grade 34 to add new title Position title mayoral administrative office all the month month to my office Thank you your honor. I move that the ordinance be put upon its passage Motion in second under discussion all one borne vice president borne Thank you your honor Two questions. Number one. I noticed on the original the original document before we got the corrected copy That there was only there were only two signatures From the from the salaried grievance committee On that document Was that just that the other alderman didn't get a chance to sign it Or was there not enough support from the committee to get more signatures than the two? I think they probably just didn't get a chance to sign it right alderman sir And then my my second my second question on this one is the the Position under schedule x as mayoral administrative officer Is that position? I know the position was recently filled Is that position now consist of a college degree as as one of the uh criteria Or is it a is a high school diploma currently? Well the criteria stayed the same the person that was hired has a college degree in political science Okay, so that's that's a job requirement then under that position. Thank you your honor Alderman what am I up? Oh, I'm sorry. You answered my question. Thank you. Thank you. Alderman. Okay. Thank you. Alderman geisha Thank you your honor. Is it uh based on your comments at the beginning of the meeting of the momentum with the hr department? Uh in integrating it with the county under shared services Uh, just a clarification that if that does happen, I assume miss heart moves back up to administrative assistant This is a schedule x which is temporary my understanding no benefits And that position would just that person would then because his temporary position was just no longer be scheduled Is that accurate? It's it's accurate. Alderman geisha the individual uh, becky breecy who was hired Uh was hired an interviewed with the clear understanding that that position is not a permanent position and the event that uh The hr position does get worked out with the county Susan hard would come back to the mayor's office and that person would step aside Thank you Alderman for hassle. Thank you I'm guessing two months ago something like that. So we don't have the original document isn't here But I recall that we removed the four year requirement at that time I know the individual hired it in place as of today does have I understand that Before you agree, but I recall that we lessen the requirements to make it easier to fill It's up to pay the same and that was the issue that I had to do at that time And Okay The four-year degree is the requirement. Yes, and that's what I hired somebody with the four-year degree Yes, alderman want the mayor Thank you your honor. That's all I was going to say. I remember that discussion at salary and grief and slightly different that we discussed Removing that requirement, but I think we ended up keeping it Well, it doesn't matter at this point because the person has right Okay, we will act on the 765 please call the roll boron Decker Excuse me. Thank you. Gisha Hannah Heidemann Kittleson Clowness Meyer Montemayor Rinflige Ryan Suric Vanderwheel Verhasl Wongamon Nine eyes six nose motion carries all the matters authorized by law attorney McLean I'm sorry, what you have another word where oh 766 General orders number 34809 by Alderman Montemayor, Suric, Meyer Decker and Verhasl Amending the municipal code so as to include changes to pay schedule y And class grade 23 to add new title extra health department of public works Alderman Montemayor Thank you your honor. I move the ordinance be put upon its passage Motion and second second under discussion Us pay schedule y is x for the rest of the city it means part time and no benefits Alderman Rinflige Thank you, Mr. Mayor My question regarding the five steps Begins to step one ten dollars eleven dollars twelve dollars thirteen dollars step four and then twenty five dollars for step five I haven't seen a large jump in that aspect if someone from the salaried rooms this committee could explain What the jump is between step four and five and who that would retain to thank you We'll do a little better and that we'll call ill bidner This this is an evolution on a something that came actually out of the finance committee Back after the adoption of the o-way budget we talked about Adding people and what we could do when they made some cost changes And one of the things I suggested and one of the memos to them that In making some budget changes. We actually add a little bit of dollars to temporary employees And change the flexibility from the traditional summer three month employee Uh to using some of the local talent retired people Etc and maybe get some of our work done Very cost effectively by by using talent available always on a temporary or part-time basis Which by definition is under 600 hours a year But but we want it to be very flexible This is an evolution of that and the rate structure is very flexible Because you would find people who are available at a flexible rate and pay them according to the job They're doing that could be clerical That could be management of coordinating something that you only coordinate for five hours a week That could be basic labor And so the structure is to allow that flexibility It's never been envisioned that a particular person would move from the numbers you talked about them relatively Based labor summer temporary kind of help all the way up to perhaps a professional But it was that we start using and manage Temporary and part-time people in a more flexible way to try to save up some dollars Okay, please call the roll Decker Gisha Hannah Heidemann Kittleson Plainness Meyer Montemayor Rinfleshe Ryan Surrock Vanderweal for Hassel Wongamon and Warren 15 ayes Roshan carries out the matters. Attorney McLean 847 is an aro by the city clerk submitting communication from Ryan Kautzer of Holly Kauffman and Kautzer stating that shenanigans bar LLC objects to the fine Findings and recommendations made by the law and licensing committee and request the opportunity to provide oral and written arguments before the full common council We can't act on it. It's going to be referred alone licensing Okay 848 is an aro by the city clerk submitting various license applications for the period ending june 30 2008 june 30 2009 and june 30 2010 That will be go to law and licensing and motion to adjourn All in favor say aye