 Hello, and welcome to Release Date Rewind. My name is Marc J. Parker, and I am a film lover, filmmaker, film celebrator. And normally this is an audio podcast, wherever you get your podcasts on your favorite apps. But thanks to Portland Media Center, you are about to watch the video component of this show where I celebrate movie anniversaries with my friends. Each month I usually talk about two different movies that I love with different friends, and we talk about the making of the movies, trivia, any fun memories associated with them. So I hope you enjoy, because now it's time to rewind. When they hear over the radio that this lunatic killer has escaped from an insane asylum. That's not the way it goes. The boy goes for help, and the girl stays in the car, and she hears this scratching sound. No, he's been decapitated. No, he was gutted with a hook. Your recording in the spirit of Jennifer Love Hewitt is living right now between the three of us. What were you going to say, Tom? So I was going to say, I can't tell from the email exchanges that we've had so far prior to setting up this recording whether or not you are snarky about Jennifer Love Hewitt, but even though I'm a gay man, she is my like 12 year old crush, and I'm still like a die hard devotee as Marc can tell you. So carefully say about Jennifer Love Hewitt. Now it's so funny, because Tom loves Love, Jay Love Hewitt, Jennifer Love Hewitt, and then Kate, Kate loves SMG all the way. So it's so perfect that I have my two scream queens with me on this episode of Release Date Rewind, because we have our Jennifer Love Hewitt and our Sam Michelle Geller people. I'm in the middle. I love both. I do sway a little more to SMG, but Tom, you love SMG as well. Oh, I love her. I love her. I'm rooting for a huge comeback for her. Oh, right? Because I need to see her new Netflix movie. She's in Due Revenge, which I have to see. But then she's doing the new Teen Wolf show, which I'm kind of like, that's cool. I like that she's sticking with the dark, but I'm like Teen Wolf, I feel like we can get you something a little better. But whatever. But no, I love that I have you guys on. It's absolutely a stepping stone. And then Freddie Prince Jr. has said he's been wanting to do horror again. Ryan Philippi always pops up. I mean, this cast, luckily, is going to be in a Netflix Christmas movie. Who? Or Freddie? No, Freddie. SMG just posted the other day. She's like, you know, I love me holiday movies and I love them even more when my husband is in the miniature trailer. That's right. I did see that. Yeah. Their love story is an epic love story. I know. I would have never thought. Like. Yes. I know. It's funny because the two of them, as you guys know, barely they might say one line to each other in this whole movie, right? They barely even look at each other, but who would have thought that the two of them would be 20 years later, still going strong? I love it. I'm so, so happy. They are one of my all time. I know. They've been one of my all time favorite couples, but it actually just gets better and better that they still are together and that, like, Sarah Michelle Geller still loves Selma Blair. And like, I know they did a little Cruel Intentions reunion not long ago. Like, I just love all these hot, beautiful, awesome actors from like, our youth are still so close, you know? They grew up together. Like, so now they're, yeah. But it's so sweet because you know they're genuine. Like, not only did they grow up together, but like they obviously still love each other and that was real. We thought they were friends and they were. Yes. Oh, totally. Yeah. Okay, everyone. So obviously we've started recording. We are chatting about, I know what you did last summer and I have on the show tonight Tom Chuba in Connecticut and my buddy Kit Sheehan in LA were on different, we're all in different states, we're on different coasts. But my friends, happy spooky season. Happy October. Happy Halloween. This is the best time of year. Oh. Happy Halloween. Kids getting their props. I love it. I don't have any more than this. I'll see. I'll throw out. Me and Tom are wearing our, I know, it's Scream vs. I Know shirts that we got from this great designer on Instagram, Clark Felix. We're wearing your shirt. Kit is being Jennifer Love Hewitt 2.0. She's got her little cardigan. She's got her tank. I have sweat pants on. I'm in my. I really are giving JLH vibes. Thank you. Thank you. It's just like, I don't know. The hair length is perfect for J-Love. Yeah. Color everything. I should have, I could have committed to a very stringy bang, but I, so my dad used to tease me and call her stringy hair when I, but it's super funny that you said that. But that's so funny because that was only in this movie. Normally she's had like the best hair ever. She was literally supposed to be unwashed and depressed. Oh yeah. It took a while to make her look that, you know, sleepy. I just love that. That scene, that shot is so iconic how she just turns around. She's glaring at her roommate who, we'll get into the sequel. We'll get into the, at least the first sequel. I haven't seen All Always, No, I don't watch that. And I didn't watch the TV show, which was apparently God awful for Amazon Prime. One scenes in wonder. But I do believe, and I want to ask you guys real quick before we get into the real movie. Do you think her roommate in this original movie, who I think her name is like Deb or something? Yes. Something, right? Do we think that's actually Carla? That's actually Brandi from the sequel. We just didn't have Brandi in this one. Or do you think they are two separate friends from Kyle? No, I always thought they were two separate people. Okay. Yeah. What about you, Kip? I always thought they were two separate people, but you raised an interesting point because I always thought that like the, and I'm not, I don't know the executives of this movie. No, I don't. But I always felt like the executives didn't. They were just like, yeah, her black college friend. Oh, nice. We're like, we can get a famous black college friend. Oh, get the famous one. Totally. Totally. Yeah. I think they were just like, well, then whatever name. If you can't call it the same name, then like Carla or something. I don't. Yeah. Yeah. I'm just like, cause you know, this first one, I'm like, okay, yeah. But then with the sequel with Brandi, I'm like, okay, that was definitely Brandi. It just wasn't Brandi. Okay. Yes. I'm on to you, execs. Yeah. Are the execs the ones who are doing it, or are we supposed to think that Jennifer Love Hewitt's character just continually like fetishizes the black best friend and is like always thinking for one? Maybe. That would be a fact. First of all, Tom, I would never, I would never accuse even a character she played of doing such things. Second of all, I am sure it's not that well thought out. It is not a social commentary. It's just the executives feeling that way. Totally. I can agree. These movies do not think it through all the way. Even the reveal of the killer in this original 1997 film, which we'll get into in a bit, still up until recently, kind of was slightly confusing. Just the backstory, getting it all straight with his daughter and like, who's Billy Blue? Right? So we'll get into that. But up until a few years ago, I was still like, so is, does he also go by Billy Blue? Oh, that's someone else. Oh, that's a fake name. Up until moments ago. I had, I realized halfway through watching it for like the eighth to tenth time, I was like, yeah, I still don't know what they fucking did. I thought I did. I know it's 10 minutes, but yeah. And I had to literally what could be to be like, right. And the OK, because he's OK. Perfect. OK, got it. But it's you know, it's actually kind of complicated. And I feel like the movie does not have like the screen, the typical screen moment where there is a, you know, full on monologue of like explaining things. They just sort of say some quick sentences and then they're off running and you're like, OK, I think I'm following. But yeah, let's let's keep the mayhem going, right? So we'll we'll get into all of that. We are rewinding everyone. We are going back to October 17th, 1997, when I know what you did last summer came out wide in theaters in the U.S. and changed our lives. Now I saw this in theaters. Tom, did you? Yep, my dad took me an opening night, but you did. I was not allowed. Yeah, you weren't allowed. Yeah, I thought it was hell run over. You guys look like no, it was you guys look like death run over twice. And when I heard I would like say that to people, oh, my God, I thought I was so stupid. Oh, I saw it on like the U.S.A. I saw it on the U.S.A. Well, oh, my God, the dubbing. Oh, God, OK, that's funny, because I even showed this at one of my Halloween parties. But that might have been before we knew each other, Kit. Yeah, because I didn't come till eighth grade, because you never had a Halloween party. Yeah, they were they were middle school only. They were a lot of work. They were a lot of fun, but they were a lot of work. And I was like, you know what, I'm 14. I'm tapping out. You guys have your own parties, but I remember one year I showed everyone because we would watch a scary movie. And of course, half the people there weren't even allowed. And like, I remember my parents got calls like, why is your son showing us whatever just be cool. So we we watched Scream one year. We watched I know we one year. And then I think we watched Blair Witch Project, the neck, the last year I did it. And then we would go trick or treating in my neighborhood and walk around town. And, you know, so anyway, that's so cool. Yeah, it was cool, but too much work. I was like, I'm going to be a guest at someone else's party. So this is what was going on in October 1997. You guys will love this because even though some of us don't love going to the movies anymore, we at least all used to. And I've seen movies in theaters with you both. The average movie ticket price back in October 1997 was $4 and fifty nine cents. Oh, my God. Can you. And now that was average. So we're all from Jersey. We're Jersey kids, Kit and I, South, Tom, a little bit more north. So we were near the cities. So I'm sure we didn't. Our tickets weren't that cheap at that, you know, time. Our tickets were probably like six. Yeah, six or seven. Pretty sure it was like five, seventy five or six. And now they're like, oh, my God, unbelievable. But can you imagine for fifty nine to see this movie Broadway show for twenty? I have to tell you, in Connecticut, they're not that high. It depends if you're what they keep going, but I'm going to look. I feel like my agency is only like twelve dollars. Yeah, I mean, here in like Portsmouth and Southern Maine, it's not much. But L.A. is expensive in New York and L.A. It's like, yeah, it's it's twenty flat. I think it's 18 technically, but like with fees. And if you're getting it like a little bit ahead of time, it's like twenty one dollars. Right. And also it's a hundred. The popcorn and oh, you want a soda? Oh, just throw us a little bit. So that was the average movie price back then on the music side. Candle in the Wind, the 1997 re-recording by Elton John was the number one song at this time, and it was number one for weeks and weeks and weeks. This, if you guys remember, this was the tribute single to Princess Diana. Yep, he re-recorded this and global proceeds of the song went towards her charities because she had passed away. I think it was in late August, early September. It was very close to this, right? Yeah, I remember we were like in school and it was like, like it was like one of the first days of school. And I remember like the teachers were telling us. So I was like, whoa, you know. So yeah, so he had the number one song for a long time, like two months. Other music news, Janet Jackson had just released a week prior. She released her album, The Velvet Rope, which had some hit songs. We go deep and I loved that album. That was so cool. And Everclear, remember Everclear, they released their album so much for the Afterglow, which had, oh my gosh. Now I, yes, I was like, oh, I lost it. Yes, I love that song, right? Yes, that was one. And then father of mine. So that should jog your memory of what life was like at this time. On the TV side, Darman Greg was the hot news sitcom had just premiered. Seinfeld started airing its final season this this month, this fall and it was the number one show, of course, followed by ER. And do you guys remember it was about a week after this movie came out? Actually, it'll be 25 years ago tomorrow as of this recording. Do you guys remember the Kirsten Dunst? Steve Gutenberg TV movie, The Tower of Terror, which Tom was just in Disney. No, yeah, I did write it, I did write it. Do you remember it, Kit? I do remember it, yeah. Wow, you don't remember that, Tom? No, I don't think I saw or I must have seen parts. It was like Disney, it made it. It was it was Wonderful World of Disney, their Sunday Night Weekly movie. Yes. And so that was their Halloween movie. The Phantom Fan at the time. Oh, yes, totally, yeah. So this aired on ABC, Wonderful World of Disney. This was their little like Halloween movie, but it was the two of them. And it was a movie all about the Tower of Terror, obviously, to promote the ride. But yes, just had to throw that out there. Such a fun little throwback. Yeah, I'm sure it's not good, but I loved it. I was like, oh, my God, my girl Kirsten Dunst is on the Tower of Terror. Mom, dad, shut up. I'm watching my movie. Speaking of movies, other popular movies at this time. And then we'll get into this movie. This came out the same day as The Devil's Advocate. Remember that one with Al Pacino and Keanu Reeves? It's kind of like sexy and like raunchy and like a little like dark. And like it is exactly what The Devil would look like. Yeah, he does do a good job. Very wealthy and light dude. Yeah, yeah, like lawyer. Yeah, totally. So Devil's Advocate, other popular movies, Kiss the Girls. So scary. Do you remember that one? Yep. So scary. That had just come out. That was number one. Yes. Oh, yeah. He's spooky and Ashley Judd. That movie, I might rewatch that again soon because that was free. Her name is Kate. This isn't how it works, Kate. That's her name. Nice, of course. I don't know why I brought that up. I have nothing to do with the name. Yeah, nothing. Yeah, that's not your name at all. And then also other movies, Seven Years in Tibet with Brad, Bright Blonde Hair, Soul Food and Boogie Nights had just come out. Those were all very popular movies at this time. Yeah, Boogie Nights. I was, yeah, Sturk Diggler. That, between Boogie Nights and I know what you did last summer, I'm just going to put it out there now. I definitely had, you know, a bit of an awakening. I think we all probably did. Also like the timing too. It was like primed to be like millennial children. Totally, 97. We were 10. Tom was maybe 11 because you're a year older, Tom, I think. You were born in 1986? Yeah, so you were 11. So we all were like on the cusp. Everyone loved those abs, yeah. Oh my God, the abs between Mark Wahlberg and then between Ryan and Freddie. It's just the boys were really, and the girls, the boys and girls, everyone, the boys and girls. Yes, the boobs in this movie. My God, the racks on these actors. Yeah, they're beautiful, beautiful. Amazing performances. Yeah, I love that. So I'm going to throw it over to you both now. This will be fun. I'll start with ladies first. I'll start with Kit. So Kit, why don't you, in your own words, I'd love to hear from you both. Give a brief summary of this film. Of course we're going to spoil it, but for anyone out there who is cool with being spoiled, let's just kind of give a little log line, a little brief synopsis. We'll start with Kit. You can start us off and then I'll pause you and then I'll throw it over to Tom. This will be like a sort of acting exercise or something. I don't know, right? Should I, are we gonna, should I be describing the first half and then Tom is going to describe the second half? Oh, okay, I like that. Yeah, good. I like that, yeah. I like the second half and I needed to explain. I know what you did last summer takes place in a beautiful coastal town on the Eastern Mid-Atlantic shore, mildly Southern shore of North Carolina. And it happened at the opening night, the opening of the movie, it's the 4th of July, it's the evening and it's essentially the happiest times, like the best night of the lives of these four beautiful people who are all children, who are all seniors in high school, and who are all ostensibly best friends even though they are assholes to each other, like horrible, particularly my belief I had. Yes, Barry is such a jerk. Yes. Barry, what is going on at home, bud? I know. God damn, he is terrible, he's using alcohol. So they have a fun at the height of their lives, they're planning, going away for school and acting and all their dreams and the world is their oyster and they have their fun. I was trying, I was thinking of like an oyster pun of like, how do you say that they had a drunken car accident but it has to do with like, well. So instead of finding a pearl, they find. It was shell no, they'll make. Something fishy happens when they vehicularly manslaughter. They get stuck in the trap. I don't know, I'm making it worse. They can't get themselves out of this one. I don't know. They barely light up their pants to walk in the tide pools here. Now I'm like just diving in Oysterman's life. This is about fishermen. But in any event, they recklessly, they're driving a little drunk. The guy who was driving is not drunk but they are driving while teenagers, which is an I recall market, we were not safe when we were kids. There was a time we passed a cop and you, I think it was you and Alana were in the backseat of my mom's cabrio. Yeah, sitting on top, pulling a berry. Driving while white, the cop did not stop us. They was like, oh, you crazy kids. We were lucky. We walked out. I remember that night very, it's so funny, I remember that night very well and I was embarrassed. I was like, oh my God, that was a cop and we are not in trouble. This is crazy. Because we were, we didn't have anything in our hands but we basically were Ryan Phillips on top of that cop. Yes, yes. And that, so there is an accident. They think they hit something in the road. It, they hope it's a deer. They find a boot. And then they find, we had a boot. The scary movie. Yes. I was constantly cracking up. The scary movie the entire time. Yes. Isn't it funny? Real quick, it's just funny how that movie is so, it just really stands the test of time. It's such a perfect spoof because rewatching the original movies that that movie spoofed, I think of those lines, right? Instantly. I literally conflated the part that it will probably be part of Tom's summary but the part where Sarah Michelle Geller is like witnessing, I always think it's Shannon Elizabeth, right? Yeah. Yeah, like it's like, they're killing him. Oh my God. She's amazing. Yeah, I forgot about that. I was like, where are they going to? Is that the, oh no, that's that's a spoof movie, a real movie. Oh, tell me, little Miss Pre-Law, what's the charge for Mad Slaughter? We make a pact right here. Now we take the Sargrave. But so they, they find they have hit and run a man. They begin to discuss, what are we going to do? Jonathan Galecki, before he was a billionaire, drives down the road and sees them. So they don't know, someone has maybe seen them. And they're like, we have to dump him because that's way better. And he'll be, the tides will take him out. We have to take this to our grave. He's not dead. He grabs down Michelle Geller's crown is like, bitch. And then Ryan Felipe has to dive in, grab the crown. They think that he is dead. They think we're going to leave this in the summer and our lives are going to be fine. And Tom, take us from there. Perfect. Grab it, Tom. Hot potato. Wow, okay. All right, those are big shoes to fill. So I'm somebody of few words. So I'm going to try and embellish you. No, you should. You're not a man of few words. Maybe, maybe a little bit more reined in words, but you can talk, yeah, that's okay. So, you know, they go on with their lives for the next full year. They go on, you know, just Jennifer Lefuge's character goes to college. Freddie Prince Jr.'s character stays in this sleepy little coastal town and he just picks up fishing, which I think is what his father did or something like that. I think so, yeah. Barry and Helen who are Ryan Philippine and Sarah Michelle Geller, they attempt to go to college and both of them fail miserably at it. They both end up back in the town as well. So they drifted apart as friends. And then Julie, Jennifer Lefuge, starts receiving notes that say, I know what you did last summer. For the last year, four friends have kept a secret. Are you on drugs? No. Well then what is wrong? I've had her off here. But not all secrets stay buried. Somebody sent this to me, oh my God. Someone knows. I know what you did last summer, ooh. That of course, sends her into a tizzy and she gets in touch with everybody again to say, hey, I think somebody knows what we did. Turns out somebody doesn't know what they did. It's that the guy is still alive and he starts hacking them off one by one. And I guess we won't tell who lives or who dies. Oh yeah, we can. We can spoil whatever you want. Yeah, so there's some really, really great death scenes and then Ryan Philippine gets the shit hooked out of him. I mean, like the sound of him getting hooked is like, I love the close up on his face, right? When that's happening and it's very, and she's like, like Kit was saying, she's screaming, that's a great scene, yeah. Yep, yep, he gets hacked away while she's out and she's trying to finish off her duties from winning the Croker pageant the year before. So tradition is that she has to go and sit this final, this final pageant out of the Croker pageant, yeah. And they all have like the Croker pageant so long. They all have those ridiculous hats. So he gets hacked away while he's trying to protect. And by the way, I love in that scene, I always have thought it's so funny, Sarah Michelle Geller's such sass when he's up there and she has to be on stage and she's looking at the new women, you know, performing for the crowd. And there's that woman who looks way too old. Baby, look at me, yeah. Tom knows every song in this movie, by the way, Kit. We watched this together when he was visiting and I was high as a kite and he was making me cackle. He knew not, not only every line, every start of every song on the soundtrack, he knows every word and I was screaming with laughter. So of course he knows. Yeah, so like, yeah, when they're driving in Missy, oh, so like I forgot also this whole thing. So like Ellen and Julie try and drive out to this woman, Missy Egan, who they think might know some stuff. And as a brother of the, Yeah, she was great. Ruffin Peace, she plays this crazy woman who she does a fantastic job. She's like white trash of the white trash. Yeah, she's a mystics, they say. Oh, she's a mystics. Yep, yep, you know, she's, she's all like, you know, daddy, dad a long time ago. Mommy, you know, she's in a home, you know. Right? That was good, yeah. With a bloody knife, yeah. Yeah, so anyway, so yeah, so they're trying to piece together all this stuff and figure out who is stalking them. That leads to Helen trying to keep the police try and take her home because she is obviously frazzled and hysterical. And while she's in the cop car, they of course come upon this fisherman. We forgot to mention that. The person who's killing them is dressed as in a black slicker outfit with a hook. Think of it, you've got a slicker. Slicker, yeah, yeah. I know, it's so funny how they make Ray like the constant suspect. There are no other suspects but Ray. And I think that's, and that makes sense. And that was fun, obviously they wanted, and this was the same screenwriter as Scream, Kevin Williamson loved him. But like, it's funny because they want us so badly to keep thinking it's Ray, it's Freddie Prince Jr. And it's like, no. But then we kind of don't really get to know him that well. We know the other three well. We see them together a lot, especially the girls. But like, how do you describe Ray? It's like, he's cute, dark hair, he's a fisherman and he's nice. He's poor. Yeah, he's a working man and that's it, you know? So, yeah, but he has a slicker and he has a, you know, he works with the fisherman and he has like a car, at least in the deleted, one of the deleted scenes that they cut, which I'm surprised because they, like I said, were hitting us over the head that he was a suspect. He has a car that has like a crab on it. Ooh, he's the one that put the body with the crabs, right? Which I love us. The crab, I know the crab body situation. Johnny Galecki with the crab. Oh, poor Johnny. Yeah, he's one of the people, which makes no sense by the way. Like, why? Well, originally he didn't die, but I love his death. Well, we'll talk about- The hook right in the right place. And they let it linger for a minute before then he pulls, I mean, the first on-screen death, they are not fucking around, everyone. Wow, that could have been way more tame, right? But it's also random. Like, what does the killer have against Max? Did he just leave the hook? No, it's not. They're like, oh God, he's like, cause he's stalking them, right? So he's like, I don't think they think it's Max. All right, I'm gonna have to kill that kid. They'll know it's not him then, like. Yeah, I think it just, it's a great shock for later on. You're probably right, kid. I think even though Max is so periphery, and for a little bit there, we think he is a suspect as well, right? He could be doing this, right? But I think it's all about that reveal of like, she's hearing the noise in her trunk, and she opens it, and I mean, those crabs are scary and gross, and they're all in an out of that shenanigans mouth. Yeah, right? But anyway, Tom. It's a miracle, it's a miracle that they're gone within three minutes. I know, yeah. Ryan Phillips doesn't even say, he's like, what did the crabs, like, skitter away with them or something? And I'm like, that is literally the only explanation. Literally. Oh shit, oh shit, we've been caught. Get it, get it out of there. They all just like ran to the sea with him. Yeah. Cause after me too, I got a letter. I got run over. Helen gets her hair chopped off. Ah! Julie gets a body in a trunk, and you get a letter, that's balanced. So Helen knows Barry's dead, she saw him get killed, the cop is trying to take her home, they stumble upon the fisherman, cop gets it, he's not very bright. And then it leads to what I think is one of the best chase scenes in all of horror history. Right up there with Laurie Stroden and Halloween 1978. You know, I'm so glad, I'm so glad you brought up Halloween here, Tom. Of course you did, cause you love that movie as well, which we all do. But, you know, we already know from Scream, which came out just 10 months prior, that Kevin Williamson loves Halloween, right? Cause Halloween is literally in the movie Scream. And it's funny, on our latest rewatch of this, I, for the first time, which is funny, I was a late bloomer to this. I realized that, yeah, this movie is also such a great love letter to Halloween, in with the chase, and with something else, which I can't, oh, and then of course how the chase, she's, she can't get in. It's basically the same thing as the keys, right? Open the door. Elsa, Elsa, Elsa is Tommy, is little Tommy, Tommy, open the door, Elsa. So like that whole chase is such a beautiful and a great way, longer version of that Laurie Strode chase scene. I totally, yeah. Right? Yeah. And it's so much more elaborate. There's, there's going up in a, in a dumbwaiter, there's falling out. I mean, like, it's like the perfect. And then yeah, it's coming out the window. Yeah. And you think she's got it? Oh. You think you're like, oh, she made it. The tires. And then she's in that alleyway and she hears something and she turns around while a parade is going on. I know that damn raid. The fisherman gets her. Somehow he's behind her, which, you know, he's not supernatural, but he almost is. Almost is. Yeah. But yeah, I've, I mean it changed, it changed stacks of tires to this day. This movie. Yes. Right? The analogy stacks of tires is like the same as seeing the logs on a highway. Oh, final destination too. Yes. Oh, totally. You're so right. You're like, oh. Yes. Thanks so much for watching. 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