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Broom Miss jaco here. Miss Johnson here. Mr.. Salibi And mr. Wolf here. We have quorum in order to avoid ex parte communications ddrc members are under strict instructions not to discuss cases under consideration with the public or with each other outside of the public forum The meeting typically starts with staff calling the case giving a summary of the project and then calling on the applicant to present if they wish Decisions are typically made in one evening Decisions may be appealed within 30 days to a court of competent jurisdiction Oaths will be administered individually as we hear either from applicants or from live speakers Applicants with request before the ddrc are a lot of a presentation time of 10 minutes This time should include but is not limited to an overview of the project case history in any pertinent meetings held regarding the request This time also includes all persons presenting information on behalf of the applicant such as attorneys engineers and architects This time limit does not include any questions asked by the ddrc or staff regarding request Members of the general public are given the opportunity to address their concerns and intervals of two minutes Applicants may have five minutes to respond Staff has a timer and will make presenters aware of when their time has expired And also just want to reinforce the importance with the mask on of speaking loudly clearly and slowly Are there any changes to the agenda? There are no changes The ddrc uses the consent agenda to approve non controversial or routine matters by single motion and vote If the member of the ddrc or the general public wants to discuss an item on the consent agenda They must speak up immediately After the consent agenda is read and ask that a project be removed from the consent agenda and considered as part of the regular agenda during the meeting The ddrc then approves the remaining consent agenda items will staff please review the consent agenda certainly The first item is 24.05 Sumter street a request for design approval for exterior changes and an addition and preliminary Certification for the bailey bill. This is in the cotton town Bellevue architectural conservation district 401 through 525 hayward street Is a request for design approval for new construction and site improvements in the grand b architectural conservation district And the last is 1308 taylor street a request for design approval for site improvements in the city center design development district Is there anyone from the ddrc that would like to have any item removed from the consent agenda? Hearing none. Is there anyone from the public either here today in person? Or who is participating virtually that would like to have an item removed from the consent agenda? When participating please provide your name for the minutes Please communicate by sending an email to coc board meeting at columbia sc.gov You may also communicate via phone by pressing star 2 to leave a voicemail or star 3 to speak in person We will pause to allow communication from the public Checking nothing Good I apologize for the delay. There's about a 30 second delay. I have no callers Okay, all right. Do I have a motion in a second to accept the consent agenda? And also the august minutes. I'll make a motion to approve the consent agenda in the august minutes Have a second Mr. Baker Yeah, mr. Broom. Yeah Miss jaco. Yes, mr. Johnson. Yes I'm sorry. Um, I just want to note mr. Broom will will pull your vote from the roll call Um, I forgot you were refusing yourself from this. So we'll strike that Um, mr. Salibi. Yes And mr. Wolff. Yes Motion passes We will now move on to the regular agenda staff please present the first case sure The first case is 22 22 main street This project is In the north main corridor overlay The proposal is for mixed use development on the site of the gym The former gym more catalytic dealership between main street and sumter street And between franklin and scott the development proposes 248 residential units and a few live work units The development utilizes primarily structured parking and some surface parking The project was before the commission for an informational presentation in may And came before the commission last month with a request for certificate of design approval The commission followed the staff recommendation to defer the case primarily So that the sumter street parking garage frontage could be further developed towards pedestrian orientation A number of other of other items were noted in the motion Staff will review the items listed in the ddrc motion from the august 12 hearing And will review the revisions that were made to address the motion So to address the sumter street garage That was part of the ddrc motion This photograph is the sumter street elevation from the august from the august hearing And the app the applicant has responded by articulating the architecture of the garage frontage To better reflect the architecture of the building by using brick at the base Formed and painted concrete and parapets to provide a more consistent material palette The horizontality of the garage structure is broken into vertical bays of similar proportions to the residential frontage Along the street The bays of the garage have spaces that alternate between hardscape with low retaining walls and canopies that may be used for events And landscaping to soften and screen the garage Ensuring these spaces are activated and used to positively engage the pedestrian realm Will need to be considered and managed moving forward In the ddrc motion from august was that the brick be expanded on the main street facade bays as recommended in the staff mark up And so you can see the revised elevation at the bottom Where the applicant has revised the elevations to expand the brick as requested And then this is this is also where the the building turns Towards the parking lot off of main street and they've also expanded the brick on this parking lot side elevation And then this just shows a perspective of that same the change between the august Design and then the revised elevations or perspectives The ddrc motion from august asked that a complete elevation for the for scott street be provided The applicant provided the elevation as requested Staff recommends bringing the brick up to the second floor as was done on the main street elevation in the areas outlined in red The ddrc motion from august asked that fenestration calculations for the street facing elevations be provided Those were provided The fenestration calculations for main street ground floor is 62 for franklin street 51 And because the garage frontage on sumter street there is not There is not fenestration except for on the residential portion So the applicant is recommending mitigating this by providing articulation in the form of canopies and hardscape areas for art and event space Along with murals that add interest when the space is not being utilized for events More details should be provided as they are developed to include lighting for the event space And for the murals as well as any fixed site furnishings Windows and detail window details and sections and material details and cut sheets should be provided. That was part of the august motion In your packet, you should have seen the The window sections and details The windows and brick are typical with a three to four inch relief The brick in the lap siding has the least relief with the windows and panel siding providing slightly more While these sections do not provide a great deal of relief and shadow The building is broken up into recessed bays and projections. So there are not great expanses of flat surfaces Other elements help to articulate the facade Such as the siding and trim details brick detailing at the material transitions As well as balconies and canopies And then also in the ddrc motion from august was that roof mounted utility equipment Screening be provided if applicable And as the applicant testified in the august hearing there will not be Um roof mounted utility equipment visible from the street And this is just um these are some more um street level perspectives renderings of the The sumptuous street event spaces that are proposed Along the garage frontage Also on the august motion was that more information about the main street entrances be provided Both of the storefront spaces on main street the leasing office and the tenant amenity space will have entrances and access to the public sidewalk On main street as indicated on the south side level one floor plan And then also in the august motion was that retaining wall sections be provided to better understand how the grade change will affect the pedestrian realm The north side level one plan and the elevations help to tell the story of how grade changes will be handled at the sidewalk And the residential stoops The retaining walls should not exceed 30 inches and should be finished with break to match the building Details should be reviewed and approved by staff And then also not nested not part of the motion from august that some of the discussion items that were brought up by commissioners were that the um That there was some concern about the the stoops as you can see in the upper Rendering being close together with the the little gap in between So they have revised the design for these a one units to Not have the two little stoops right next to each other And then also part of the discussion in august was about providing contextual Perspective showing the streetscape and what the development Would look like in context. And so this is the sumptuous street uh perspective That was looking um north and then this is looking south at the corner of franklin So the staff recommendation is to approve the request with the details to be deferred to staff Including but not limited to the design and activation of the sumptuous street facade canopies murals site furnishings lighting and landscaping and the design and placement of retaining walls And I believe the applicant is joining us via zoom Because he is out of state And was gonna have to call Is there anybody Well, it's it's steve melton, but I think I saw the architect's name which is andrew I think yep Yeah, you've got uh, Dave kelly and andrew moir with pool and pool architecture here I don't know if steve. I was just looking to see if he was in The meeting room, but I haven't seen him yet But we're happy to help answer any questions as a part of what came about Is there um anything to be presented today to the group? Are you just here to answer questions? That's needed We were what we had provided was what was just presented there in the slideshow with the additional perspectives and renderings We had put all that together at the request of um of of steve and That's that was our package Any questions or follow-up? I have a question about the the murals on something street Yes, is that a requirement? Um, it's it's certainly not a requirement. Um, it's it's a uh, street facade treatment that we've utilized in some other urban infill areas as a opportunity to uh connect with both the community and and offering up those um uh, those pedestrian walkway and and um Vendor points, um, we've we've seen that successfully integrated with reaching out the local community artists that are uh, willing to come in and Put their murals up in an effort to To make a connection So it was an idea that we had presented to uh to better connect to the community For the parking deck Mr. Vroom to clarify also staff had recommended that as well as something that could help to Make the facade more interesting particularly when there was not activities going on Just because it's a blank wall and we've done that on other projects So that was a recommendation from staff as well All right, I understand. Thank you. Let me ask staff just do we want to swear in the individual who just spoke on behalf of the project Even though yes, thank you. Yeah, we probably should do that So, uh, sir, whoever just presented if you could please state your name one more time And did you swear to tell the truth and this proceedings and what you've set up to this point? Absolutely. Um, my name is uh, david kelly ke l l e y with pool and pool architecture And yes, I agree to those conditions I did feel like there were a lot of the items addressed from um all of our previous two meetings with them So I I'm feeling pretty good about this. Is anybody have any other questions or concerns with commissioners All right We encourage those that would like to communicate via email to begin sending in letters and emails to coc board meeting at columbia sc.gov Or on the web At public input dot com slash coc ddrc-sep 2021 For those wanting to leave a voicemail or speak live Call 855-925-2801 When prompted, please enter the meeting code 4-225 Then press star two to begin leaving the voicemail if you would like to speak live press star three We will hear comments from anyone here who was in person Any comments received in writing? We did receive one letter from the elmwood park neighborhood association addressed to mr. Middleton The elmwood park neighborhood association board would like to express its support for our For your proposed development at 22 22 main in columbia, south carolina Echoing our neighbors in cottontown We appreciate that you have engaged openly and freely with our neighborhood association Including participating in a virtual information and q&a session with our neighborhood membership on may 20th 2021 We share some of the same concerns regarding traffic And parking as our neighbors in cottontown and hope that the plans to be implemented will minimize any negative impacts We appreciate the attention to the design details and corporation of feedback from the neighborhoods City of columbia staff and ddrc board members to improve the project's aesthetic compatibility with the neighborhood In particular, we would like to express our appreciation for proposing a building location and height That allows for a natural transition through the surrounding buffer of lower height commercial businesses To the single family residential homes of the neighborhood This contributes greatly to the idea of a neighborhood scale development that maintains quality of life for residents While still allowing for higher density housing in our downtown area Kind regards john wilkinson president elmwood park neighborhood association Any other comments of writing or voicemails? Madam Chairperson and members of the ddrc. This is steve middleton. I just wanted to let you know that I am calling in on The phone um got some technological challenges with my current location So I just did want you to know that i'm here in case you have any questions There any other comments received staff Are we doing a delay responsive? I do not have any callers on the line. Okay Any I don't think I don't think we have any follow-up questions at this point So I think we can move to a motion if somebody would like to make one I make a motion to grant a certificate of design approval to 22 22 main street With the following details deferred to staff including the not limited to The design and activation of the sumptuous street facade canopies murals site finishing furnishings Lighting and landscaping and design and placement of retaining walls. We have a second second Mr. Baker Yeah, mr. broom. Yes Miss jaco Yes, mr. Salibi Yes, and mr. Wolff. Yes the motion passes All right move to the next case on the agenda So our next case is on the historic portion of the agenda. This is 1008 lauren street This house is a classic clabbered two-story four square structure with a hip roof Most likely built somewhere between the 1920s and 1930s based upon the architecture It features an off-center entry with the single door side lights covered by a small gable roof Five over one paired wood windows on the front and a five over one Would single window configuration on the sides The house was cited for paint violations in april 2021 And the owner subsequently hired a contractor to address the problems The owner would like to apply vinyl to the sides of the house as the contractor is having trouble removing the old Paint from the siding and getting new paint to adhere Like most old houses it has been painted over many times and at a certain point It becomes necessary to remove layers of paint to get down to a smooth finish to get paint to adhere The company doing the work reports trying sandblasting which we absolutely would not recommend on historic buildings Since it can damage the wood And using a metal grinder to remove the paint, but this has not been successful for them There are however alternative methods of removing paint that are recommended By preservation specialists who deal with these issues on a regular basis The neighborhood as a whole and many homes on the street are from the same or similar eras as this one and they're wood sided Many of them they all require regular maintenance in order to keep the building envelope intact and their materials in good condition Given that these types of houses and their materials are defining features of the neighborhood The neighborhood wish their guidelines to specifically prohibit applying vinyl over wood siding which the guidelines do Vinyl not only covers original siding it obscures or completely engulfs trim and details At the site or it would on the sides of the house, which is another reason it is not recommended It has a different profile as well from wood siding So looking at precedent in the neighborhood staff is research files in the university hill architectural conservation district for like requests Emotions and out of dozens of requests for repair or maintenance has found no cases Where vinyl siding or vinyl products have been approved for either new construction or exterior repairs based upon the guidelines Um staff finds therefore that the proposal to cover wood siding with vinyl siding at 1008 Lawrence street does not meet the university hill architectural conservation district guidelines section 8 item 6 and recommends denial of the proposal I believe we have Some folks here to speak on this Okay So whoever who gets come up whoever's going to speak on behalf All right So when you get up there if you can State your name and do you swear to tell the truth in these proceedings? Good afternoon ladies and gentlemen. My name is Max Manila. I'm the owner of the home And I swear to tell the whole truth and nothing about the truth to help me gosh. I don't know if that was part of it also Just for this is the first time I've ever done this so I apologize and If y'all could sort of help me through it, I would appreciate it just because I've never done this before Sure, just let you know just reinforce it. It is 10 minutes. Just so you know, okay I don't think I don't let you know. I don't think I have enough stuff to make 10 minutes, but Anyway, thank you for having me here This as this name. He said this started and when we recited in april 2001 To fix the exterior of the house which we knew had to be done. Um, we were planning to do it earlier But because of covet and pandemic, we were kind of hurting. I'm a small business owner So it was kind of rough time kind of waited I got some extra money for my officer retention bonus for the national guard. So I thought Hey, I want permanent solution to this and I wanted to get vinyl I honestly thought Would my own fault for not checking into it that because there are several houses on the street I actually own a house across the street. That is a vinyl house. So I thought it would be okay Um, so anyway, we got a contractor and He said everything was fine. I trusted him We started to vinyl the house to which we were given a stop order because like it is against the rules of the neighborhood, which I Sadly found out then I did work with miss amy. We came up with a plan We were actually going to final the rear end of the house because it wasn't seen from the neighborhood and repaint The other three sides which we did and I thought that that was going to be a great plan, but the problem was Pretty soon after it started to peel off as you saw from those pictures And Sorry, I sort of lost where I was going here the the contractor Did sand treat using oil based primer oil based paint for the house Um, it was a reputable contractor Uh, they really did a I've watched them do the work and they did a thing. It's already it's already peeling off The reason why I would really hope for um your consideration To let me vinyl the houses I really would like a permanent solution I understand that it is a historic district and it is important to preserve the neighborhood Um I would really like a permanent solution I do I did bring some pictures comparing the Rear side of the house that was vinyl compared to the paint And I'll give that to y'all I think it I understand that it can obscure some features and fixtures of the original wood But I think it looks very good. I don't think it compromises the integrity of the house and what it looks like in the neighborhood And The solutions that we had talked about in our meeting obviously the hardy plank is a was one of the Materials that is allowed I personally cannot afford 50 plus thousand job hardy plank And I understand there's the Bailey bill, which is a great program. I just don't have the funds to put that up front So that's an issue for me personally We did work out a plan everyone's been great to work with I really just hope for your consideration in this just because I really would like a solution that's going to protect my house because Like you saw the paint is peeling off And it's really starting to wear down the integrity of my home And I'm also getting deployed overseas in the spring And I really would like to Not have to worry about this while I'm gone Um And like I said, I'm willing to you know be creative if we can Work something out with the hardy plank vinyl combo. I mean, I will just keep repainting the house It's just I'm gonna have to keep repainting it and the side of my home is kind of falling apart And I don't have the means to replace the wood or buy hardy plank I did bring some pictures for y'all to include Um And then also a quote of the hardy plank I did do the due diligence to find like how much it would cost because I would love to put the hardy plank on there and solve the problem. Um, I just I just can't at this time and um That's sort of all I have I guess if there's questions that I can answer Something I might have left out. I appreciate it, but thank you all for your time Yeah, okay. Yeah, and actually I do have a couple of follow-ups One is when I staff and you made a comment earlier about there's houses on the street and vinyl I'm assuming these are houses that are outside of the stored district or what no They would be inside, but they would have been vinyl prior to the designation. Gotcha. Okay. All right And also in one thing ma'am actually Like before that it was I actually saw like I owned the house across the street. It was on slide 70 um I mean I understand that it looks the vinyl looks different But I think if you look at the two houses the one on the right is painted and the one on the left is vinyl I don't know I think they I don't think you can tell That's why I originally thought oh my house that I owned is vinyl. So this is okay, but obviously That was my fault for making assumption And I had another question for you as well. Um, I mean staff definitely outlined I guess processes that people do go through to try to remove the paint I mean has all of this been done or where are we on this list here? um to be honest, I don't have the Exact step by step, but I I made sure when I hired someone that they knew they had experience redoing Historic homes with that old of wood they said they They properly treated it remove the paint and paint it over it with the right paint And I even looked up to make sure it was an oil-based primer and paint um But I do I All the specific steps. I I don't know at this time It just I mean I can see that staff's comments is more about the process used to try to remove What is there prior to putting on a new code? That's what I'm trying to understand All right, let me open up to other commissioners. Anybody else have any questions or follow up for staff applicant Okay, I'm gonna move on We encourage those that would like to communicate via email to begin sending in letters and emails To coc board meeting at clumbysc.gov or the web at publicinput.com Slash coc dvrc dash scp 2021 For those wanting to leave a voicemail or speak live call 855 925 2801 When prompted, please enter the meeting code 4 225 then press star 2 to begin leaving the voicemail If you would like to speak live press star 3 There any comments for anyone who is here in person May I met in addition to the applicant? Yes, I was just my property manager reminded me just To emphasis on the effort that they did for the removing of the paint They spent three weeks trying to remove the paint before they even put on a coat so I I don't know It's really on there And I'm assuming I know you've probably been meeting or talking with staff about Process that has been used to this point staff you get any to this point. Yeah, we have not spoken further about other Some of the preservation processes that are recommended for paint removal So to as far as I know those have not been Attempted Let's let's move forward to see if we have any of the comments we've received and then we'll circle back. Okay Any comments in writing Yes, we did receive one email Um states dear chairperson jaco and members of the design development review commission The university hill neighborhood association is strongly opposed to permitting the proposed changes to the facade Of 1008 lauren street Which is within the boundaries of both our neighborhood and the long-standing architectural conservation district that coincides with most of it The use of vinyl siding strikes at the heart of architectural conservation concerns This frame property contributing to our national register and historic places neighborhood landmark designation Is part of a group of four similar age and frame homes on the same side of the street and immediately to the north of 1008 lauren's 2012 2014 and 2016 slash 18 As such we object strongly to the proposed changes While this property is not well maintained with trash, etc It is part of the historical Historical architectural character of the block not to mention of the neighborhood In a recent restoration of 1700 pennilton street a few a few blocks away in our neighborhood The vinyl siding cover inappropriately applied many years ago over wood siding was removed This is the direction which our conservation district takes us Many of us have spent a great deal of time and money to preserve our properties And as staff points out in detail It is only poor maintenance to date that has left the facade in the state it is in as staff also points out It is remediable and when remedied in accordance with architectural guidelines The results will be more durable as well as historically appropriate This property has been in the architectural conservation district for half a century The maintenance requirements are well known. We urge you to deny the applicant's petition Thank you, thomas our gotcha president university hill neighborhood association Catherine brawn finner vice president travis weatherford secretary john mcgill treasurer sandra allison x council khaki zeigler x council steve francis x council Raj allury x council julia stefik x council and mark manos past president any other communications So I do have Looks like two partial voicemails. I will attempt to play them here. Good morning. My name is tom gotchall I am president of the university hill neighborhood association We sent a letter opposing The alterations to a thousand and eight Lawrence street That was done on behalf of the whole neighborhood, but I wanted to make a Quick personal statement myself I have lived in 1824. Yeah, unfortunately it cuts off there. It looks like the next one is also cut off Good afternoon My name is tom gotchall I am president of the university hill neighborhood association I and others Have signed a letter which presumably has already been written Been read to you regarding 1008 Lawrence street. We hope the request for Vinyl siding will be disapproved Uh, all the officers of our Do not have any other callers on the life all communications been received. I don't know if you have any I don't I don't have anything to follow up with As you can tell this this is um, it seems like a kind of cut dry case because we do have regulations to follow And we have no precedent not to follow them This from my commissioner's perspective I'm gonna open it up to if any other commissioners have any other questions here Okay, if so then like move to a motion I've got one question. Um, I know that there was some kind of Resolution that was made by just putting bio siding on the rear of the house Will there ever be an option for him to do three sides and then the front panel that's facing the rear that's seen from the street To then be preserved and he can come back and do You know painting or hearty plank there that you know, you can capture some cost savings by Doing something along those lines. Well, that was actually discussed But because the sides of the hum are very visible here It wouldn't be permitted as a as a visible Um piece of the architecture, but definitely on the rear you can't see it back there. So we don't have purview there Appreciate it All right motion I can make the motion if any two Um, can you get back over here? All right for case at 1008 lauren street The request to appeal the staff decision regarding exterior changes I make a motion Uh that the ddrc Um support staff's decision And deny their request to make the exterior changes to vinyl siding that has been asked Did that cover enough of it tell me um if you would cite the guidelines in the section Yeah, you know what I'm looking for that. I'm sorry. I've got pieces everywhere here Staff can you help me because sure that would be for the university Per the university hill architectural Conservation guidelines section eight. Thank you. I was looking for like the numbers inside Per the university hill architectural conservation district guidelines section eight item six Do I have a second? I have a second either a second nor redirect I'll give it a second Mr. Baker Mr. Brim Miss jaco. Yes, mr. Salibi. Yes, and mr. Wolff. Yes motion passes Thank you. All right any other business on the agenda? No Motion to adjourn I'd like to make a motion to adjourn this meeting. All right. Thank you guys