 I will say that it was very diversifying because they have a lot of other entities also going on along with work. So it was quite stress free so to say because we were involved in other extracurricular activities also. But other than electricity supply they were doing everything else. Sir electricity supply yes sir definitely they are one of the leading performers in electricity distribution as a utility and they have a lot of focus on ethics also so I would say it was a great experience working there. Okay what is the electricity sector in India? What are the things to be done and to what extent the electricity act was able to address any of these issues? Sir electricity sector in India is basically a lot of losses vis-a-vis the commercial losses and the technical losses which have reduced the profitability of the utilities. And in the transmission and the generation sectors there are a number of projects which are stuck which have also led to a number of NPAs. And so the number of things can be done. First of all we need to technically strengthen the networks which are being pulled down by the losses. And as far as the electricity act of 2003 is concerned so it has been able to bring in more of private sector in the distribution sector and it has also brought in. What is the single most important contribution of this act? Sir I would say that it has given a framework wherein other consumers will be able to get part from according to their deal but it hasn't worked out the open access model but it hasn't been able to take off very well. It cannot be very well. I will leave electricity and equipment and go to some of the topics. You have once said international relationship. Yes. Yes. Presently have you been reading these papers often? Yes sir. We have written two kinds of stories. One of course is that India has become extremely active in the international arena. Yes. And very successful in projecting India's decision. Yes. Do you agree with that statement? Sir I would definitely agree with that statement because India has been assertive in putting forward its interests on various multilateral forums also at the World Trade Organization and it has enhanced its outreach in the West Asian region also. So so biologically, multilaterally I had the United Nations and all these we see that India has come forth more openly and more. It is more forthcoming also. Yes. What has been the results? Some of the results. Anything concrete that you can show in the last four years? Sir in the last four years I think that in the West Asian region India has started or taken up strategic partnerships rather than transactional relationships with the Saudi Arabia and UAE. And also India has recently also got a membership of the Wazinah agreement and the Australian group and MBCR also. So only and Now you have some very profound statements like strategic partnerships versus transactions and licenses. Yes sir. Can they expand it a little bit more? Yes sir. Yes sir. Sir transactions as in earlier since the beginning we had in fact we were we did not we did not move beyond security. We did not move beyond taking buying, spying and buying oil and paying them. For example with Saudi Arabia and UAE also. Now that there was this reason is only that India has got access to a port in Oman also. So earlier we were it was and it was mainly we were just buying and selling. So now we are coming up we are we are trying to build up relationships in which we can also contribute our economy also gains and our So you are establishing more permanent relationships? Yes permanently permanent relationship, law class relationships. Vegetation. Okay. Are there areas? Sir in Japan also like right now Japan comes from our mind. Japan India has proposed this India-Africa both corridor in which India and Japan will together they will try to build infrastructure in the African region. India what both corridor? Sir India-Africa both corridor. India-Africa both corridor? Yes sir. And where does Japan come into that? So Japan Japan has developed completely it has a lot of funds it has expertise so it can it can and India has very good links with the African countries. So the connectivity part the good relations that India and Japan have they can be leveraged in building an infrastructure which can help which can help mister spending by Japan in these countries. In Japan part of our East loop East policy? Sir here it was not but off late especially after our Prime Minister initiated the activist policy so the Far East region has also become a part of our eastern outreach. Are you an athlete? Let's take it for two years in school. Yes and I try to take part but whenever I could in schools. So are you continuing with that? Sir off late I have been basically I have been jogging. I will not arriving at school and at college level. I try to take part in everything that was going on. So I just entered the field where I am not exposed to women and I took part. Right now I am jogging. In the budget I am told that this year's budget is giving a lot of emphasis in the area of sports. And the Prime Minister is usually called to say hello India. Can you tell us something about it? Sir I will not be able to say precisely regarding the budget. Okay. Please hello India is there any area of the budget in which you can speak with confidence? Area of education, agriculture, health, medicine? Sir regarding this year's budget there has been a lot of emphasis on agriculture. There has also been said that this budget is basically for farmers. So there has been a proposal to pay the farmers in the form of at least 1.5 times the production cost. Sir for you the agriculture has been the most important. Sir I would say that this is being said and that is what I read. That is also a felt cut. I would not say that it is for agricultural. What are the problems that Punjab is facing these days? Sir Punjab Major problems and how they are being pretended to be solved? Sir if I have to put it in points I would say that the problems that Punjab is facing currently are the outstanding productivity in agriculture, lack of industry and lack of suitable employment opportunities for the youth. And it has also faced a terrorist attack last year. So there is also an issue of cross-border infiltration. And the soil, there is a lot of usage of water for agriculture which has also led to the downfall in the water table. Depletion of water? Yes. And sir I think this will require holistic approach from the... So you mean to say whatever was shown in Urta Punjab does not end here little. Is that a problem? Sir Urta Punjab was, I would say that Urta Punjab was a movie and movies are supposed to exaggerate for the people. For the purpose of the entertainment of the audience. And it is right to some extent but I would definitely say that it was not the wrong reality what I was shown there. What are the attempts to address these issues let's say underground water conservation? So what has been done? Today there is a big news on conservation of water. Sir regarding conservation of water, Central Government has initiated these sustainable agriculture practices. For example micro irrigation and sustainable agriculture which involves lesser usage of water. There is zero damage this technique and the farmers basically need incentives to invest in this area which can do with a lot of money. But yes there are these initiatives. But do you think use of excessive plastic is stopping even rain water from going under here? And that is one of the reasons what we need to do is a big attack on improving the effort. Sir the fact that plastic can't handle the population of water is true. But I would say that I am not aware of any such reports. Let's move to, you are interested in movies. Yes. So which is the last movie you watched? Sir I watched Hindi movie. Hindi movie. Yes. So what were the lessons you write? You think it was realistic? Sir I think movies are meant to exaggerate a little but yes it was definitely close to reality. First of all I felt that every parent whether they are rich or poor, every parent wants the best for their children. And they would go to any extent but to what extent they will go it depends on person to person. The second time you are making the statement that movies are meant to exaggerate. Any movie that you think you have watched which was very close to reality? Sir I would say that from the accounts of history that I knew as far as I know I watched Duncuck which was a mission of our evacuation of soldiers from the French coast. So I am talking about Hindi movie. You started with what? Okay sir. Sir right now nothing is coming. You have got Newton? Yes sir I have watched it but... What are banking sector reforms after the problems of NPA were highlighted? Government has taken number of steps to improve the banking system. So can you list some important banking sector reforms? Yes sir. Both government and NPA both government and NPA. Sir the government has taken this initiative to reform the boards of the public sector banks. So that there is more accountability and transparency in the kind of loans that are being given out to corporates and other companies. And secondly the RBI has started the process of resolution where in the government's recognition where the banks are supposed to reveal the NPAs that are on their books because they had been pushing it under the carpet. And so there is a recapitalization. Basically there was an evacuation of more than 11 lakh votes on recapitalization of banks. 211 lakh votes? Yes sir. Okay fine. The last question I want to ask you is the impact of GST on the informal sector? Because one of the hobbies let me ask you. How are these people working in the informal sector? They were impacted by GST. Yes sir. So GST according to the recent budget estimates it was shown that there has been a rise in 50 percent rise in indirect taxpayers. So I think these informal sector people they are trying to get into the formal sector, formalize their businesses so that they can also avail the incentives that governments provide to micro millionaires. It is very good because there are very conflicting reports. Some say these people are now without any employment. Some people say they are joining the formal sector. Yes sir. That is also true because definitely when there is such a sea change in the manner things are run people who are less resourceful or less aware of these changes they are bound to suffer. So in this case I think there has to be a more generous push. I think the issue gets flagged so solution will come. Yes sir. What is so special about Chandigarh? Sir I have stayed in Chandigarh for many years and I think there are a number of special things but it is a city that is open to a lot of people. It is very diverse and I compare the task with Chandigarh. There are people from different states in Chandigarh. So I think that is the most special thing about Chandigarh. So what is it called the first plan city in the country and is there a limit in today's sort of planning? Sir I just wanted the first plan city because it was the first plan city. It was built from the ground. It was built from scratch and it was planned beforehand. The special area was designated and it was planned accordingly. And sir yes I think the plan, the settlements and plan cities are... Is it smart in terms of the current difference of the smart city? Sir it is on the way to become smart because recently we have introduced smart parking. And it will become smart but right now if we consider the production of the smart city I would say that it is smart city. So just give me 3-4 features of a smart city. Sir a smart city would have a public transport which is... People can use different modes of public transport. There is a single position, a single card. Secondly if there would be a fully functional drainage system and there would be logging and building storms etc. Currently there would be spaces for people and children and old people. To spend their time and hopefully it would be the same for everybody. Now the greatest energy source of the country is likely to be solar in the future. Yes. What future would you see for this? Is it going to be good or bad? Is it going to be slow or fast? What is your prognosis of the arrival of solar energy in our country? So the prognosis I would say is positive because we have added a lot of capacity recently. And we have to take into account all the possible spin-offs and the negative impacts. Such a big push for solar that it would bring. For instance we have to take care of the waste which will generate. And I think if we take the supplier and demand side and do account solar would be good for the country because we are over-dependent on external supplier of coal and fuel. But the green revolution, good or bad for Punjab? What was the green revolution? Good or bad for Punjab? What is your overall assessment of the fallout of the green revolution? So personally I feel that it was bad for Punjab because it has led to over-exploitation of the land and the fertility of the land has stagnated. There is widespread pollution of soil and there is over-lose of pesticides. People have got used to the idea of availability of water. They do not value water. So I feel that it was bad but overall for the country's supply of grain and its sufficiency, it was good. And in the long run we can make it good for all. Okay one last question. What is the problem with Aadhaar? Why do people talk about it again and again? What is bugging them? Sir Aadhaar is basically problematic from the point of view of privacy because it is said that people's privacy will be interpreted with such a widespread infrastructure for identification because we do not, because it is prone to be hacked and people may not access databases without authentication and authorization. Okay. You are subject to political science. Yes. What did you say about the ideal, who will be the rulers of the ideal state? What is the famous statement you made? I beg your pardon sir. You have to. Yes. I want the ideal state. Who will be the rulers in ideal state? What is the famous statement you made? Sir according to Plato, an ideal state would be ruled by a philosopher king and famous statement I might even recall. Yeah, philosopher king. Until the philosopher king turned to philosophy, that is the thing. Yes. You have got the point right. So now this philosopher king, how far you think was Plato in his recommendation realistic? Is it? Do you see any manifestation in your ideal philosopher king anywhere? Sir I think we would have to see what Plato said in the context of his time because Greece at that time there was a war in front of corruption and people were corrupt. So he felt that this desire for material pleasures is leading to the degradation of his nations. So that is why he thought that a philosopher king who would be least interested in the world means that kind of a person is required to rule the country. So that we are rid of corruption. And sir in the history... Could you recommend yourself as a study of Plato? Yes. Do you recommend this kind of constitution? Some qualifications would be there like this for the rulers to study? Sir as far as philosopher king is concerned I would definitely not recommend a ruler to be a totally a philosopher. But yes there can be but sir for India at the time that we are right now I do not think that it would be... I think it would be best that such qualifications are not valid because he... In a way Plato also thought it may not be practical looking at his own times. So why did he indulge in this kind of recommendations? Why? What was his idea? Sir Plato has been said to be an idealist. So he thought that this is the ideal, that this is what we should pursue. Maybe not now if it is not possible. This is what countries and people should aim for. Approximately. So now tell me something about finance, what is its role? Sir finance solution has been helping... is constituted every five years according to the provisions of the constitution. And it has a wide ambit. It is supposed to give the distribution of the central rule of resources for the states and between the states and the center and amongst the states also. And then there are other issues which of the president we ask the finance commission to do. What are the greatest committees? Sir 14th finance commission had given its recommendation in 2015 and the recently 15th finance commission had. Now who is the chairman of this? The famous man. The famous man. Now this 15th finance commission, you know, they are... They are important thing. It relates to something very innovative, latest, something which is in the current Indian financial scene. In there what they should be studying? Sir I would like to... An impact of GSD. Thank you sir. Amrit Pari over all. You see fundamentally you are a student of engineering and you are going to work in the sector. Yes sir. But unfortunately your answers both relate to the electricity act and solar. Yes sir. So that is something you could have used really to a very complex. And electricity, single most contribution of electricity act was segregated transmission and transmission. And solar system started well variation of capacity. Then immediately went on to management of the wastage. So please concentrate. You are from this is the background that you come from. It should be about this. And similarly when you answer about information analysis or you answer about philosophy things. You tended to be a little gentle. You have to be a little special. There is no need for you to get into a better philosophy. What is philosophy? This is what philosophy means of philosophy. Obviously it has its limits. Otherwise it is limited. Which country will not like to have a king which is who is interested in public good rather than personal good. Philosophy is sad philosophy with that individual who looks a little interested in welfare of the general public. Rather than using the power for its own benefit. Simple. It should be as dry and cut and dry as possible. Honestly I have never heard of this thing called India-Africa process. Maybe one of the biggest games in India is psychoanalysis. India-Africa growth corridor. It is a long story. India has started a long table discussion. But I don't know the details. I mean India-Africa growth corridor I was not known that in India actually. When did you read it? It was all over the news last year. When I was preparing for May. What was the last year? 2017. After that people forgotten about it. That means it really didn't follow up. So basically the important thing is international relationship is very important for this now. And they will talk about India's relationship with the college and the drive. With China, Pakistan, Paris, West Asia, America. Whenever I would suggest that you prepared proper answers and don't expand to it. He precise. And answer only if they follow up. So suppose I ask the question that I put. You can say that the government has taken initiatives to re-establish its position with all the lay-ups. And so that's actually both diplomatic and administrative. Some first time should be cut in the back. Don't try to explain too much in the first time. And then ask a specific question. Otherwise you are likely to take it too soon. So we prepared these questions for the two points. So it says your answer about the ideal answer was regarding the problems with the job model. You categorically mentioned both. Yes. Which is very good. That's how it should work. And very counter-public. Put a counter-public into you. You were very categorically. It didn't follow it up. But the board member is likely to ask why he will come to that group. Because what you are saying is contrary to what is in the board. Yes. So your answer should be like what you have answered about Punjab. And the same thing you will say about grid revolution. You are very clear in grid revolution. This is not really benefited Punjab. So basically both these things lead to a concept of sustainable agriculture. And agriculture should be sustainable. It should protect the environment. It should not be at the cost of something. Yes. That's what you meant, right? Yes. Punjab, this talk is sustainable. Yes. So your answer should be the answer that you gave about Punjab. Okay, sir. And you answered about Chandigarh. Chandigarh has many pupils. Every place has got many pupils. For many states. So the special thing is Chandigarh was the first class student. Yes. So when you answer quickly, you miss out on the core issues. Yes. So that is something that you have to really look at. Yes. Fundamentally I would suggest that whenever you prepare these really important topics. Yes. You write down the answers and your effort should be to first come out with a statement which is very precise and very brief and which addresses the core issues. And then follow it up with subsequent answers. Okay. They ask. Then life will become easy for you. Yes. Okay. Other than that, I suppose everything is fine. Like you make certain reforms, you get three important issues. Answer them ready to the point. So I think that's it. Is there anything that you want to ask us? Yes. Thank you. Thank you. 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