 Hello everybody and happy holidays. Merry Christmas. If it's Wednesday, it's Warhammer That must mean it's time for another episode of Warhammer Weekly joining me as always is Tom. What's up, buddy? Hello friends. Merry Christmas. Yeah, indeed and same to you I hope your holiday will be full of cheer And and all sorts of things like that We're gonna be talking about our own personal Christmas wishes that we hope Santa GW brings us for 2023 tonight, that's what we're gonna talk about What I am gonna think about is the fact that I did not realize I'm wearing like an extra vest because it's cold in my basement right now And I did not think about the fact that when I put this hat on I get way warmer because my head is not used to actually trapping any heat there's nothing up there normally that that locks any warmth in and So when I put this hat on I am now toasty anyways Happy Christmas, Merry Christmas. Happy holidays, whatever you celebrate or whatever you are even if you don't celebrate any holidays Well, then I hope you just have a great end of the December, but Tonight we're gonna talk about all that but first of course the news Tom, what do you got? Hello friends. So It's funny I'm gonna lead with this news because this is news to me Sure, and that is yeah, somebody said I'm I'm I'm broadcasting from the void The irony is is that this background looks probably Much like it did two weeks ago when I was getting ready to move The news is is that I have moved and I'm in my new location and it looks the same Yeah, you moved in like today So kudos to you for getting your setup back and up for the show. That's that's the kind of dedication I expect my my office is a bunch of empty bookshelves and boxes of books and a desk with My broadcasting stuff because that's the you know, that's priorities around here So Absolutely, look, this is what you got to get going first. Everything else can just be boxes for everybody Yeah Well, especially that I'm doing it here and then as well, you know, I'll be on the show next week Other news we got a rumor engine We do it's a 40k thing cool next. I mean like it's a gun. It's just a straight-up gun Like It's so very a 40k thing doesn't even have like the Baroque look that you that we could all sit around and pretend It's some kind of fancy thing. It's just like the most utilitarian gun Yeah And sickness asked functioning internet on the day you move in to be very clear I set that up on Monday like I had functioning internet Here, you know before I ever had the moover's job of box off. So that's definitely what is happening. Sure And yeah, I bought a new house a lot and merged money. That's right folks. That's what you're you're Yeah, you're voting you're voting with the team Tom shirts. That's what that is. I don't think the merch money Tom would get you a Doily to put something on in your new house. I don't like maybe you could get a set of coasters Everybody's super clear on this like the merch thing is not a money source first. I appreciate everybody's support It's great, but I keep the prices like ridiculously low We have like no margin like I don't want to overcharge everybody and that's what this place does I'm looking at a new place for next year with Uncle Adam. That is like here in the as great worldwide shipping and all that kind of stuff So yeah, absolutely And then other rumors we have the G we have the GHP produce We do so I'm not gonna spend a lot of time on this because I mean You know, we don't we have like this much of the picture out of the whole picture You know, we're looking through the keyhole as always yeah, and so it's like It's kind of foolish to speculate when we don't know everything but That being said we can briefly talk about what was released today because it was news, right? Uh So we got a rat dude on the cover, which is cool. I support that. That's exciting. Yeah, good stuff What do you think that mean? Nothing absolutely nothing Did the fact that there was a troll on the last one mean anything? I mean Maybe no it did not What it means is that they that they thought that was a pretty cool piece of artwork Whoever did the layout and was and it thought it fit well underneath that little gold icon They knew they had to use Yeah, and uh, so that's why the little scaven guy is there. Uh, we know that it's season two Uh, that is true. It is season two here. Yeah Uh So here let's talk about the things we got Okay, okay, so You've got your Key to victory friendly Galation champions cannot be picked as the target of attacks made with missile weapons while they're within one inch of any friendly battle line units Uh, if you I'm not gonna like there's a whole video you should watch it But that's like 10 wound or sorry less than 10 wound non-mounted heroes basically that's uh Kind of exciting for night on Sure where their entire army is that, you know, sure. Yes. Yep. Yep Well, you're one guy's on a boat. I don't know if that counts as his mount or not What he is no boat. He is not mounted. It does not have a mount line. Okay. Okay. He just brings his boat with him It's all him. He is the boat Yeah, he's standing on terrain much like all of your your flying models ever totally fair Uh, and then desperate action if you're taking the second turn in the current battle round at the start of your hero phase You can pick one friendly Galation champion on the battlefield to carry out two different heroic actions in that phase Instead of one. Yes, also, they can't be unique. Thank you. Yes, that's the other limitation. Yes. No unique So that's the other limitation for the champions Um, so basically you're generic foot heroes. That's who we're talking about. It's great and This is our incentive apparently Now this season to go second in the round, which it is certainly a potent ability Yeah, some factions will certainly benefit from that more than others Like I think about things like fire slayers which have a really sweet, you know heroic action that they can that they can trigger Sure. I mean S2d has a lot of foot heroes and like that is a slaves to darkness had a lot of foot heroes And they have extra heroic actions and stuff like that Um, sadly the hero that would need this the most that you would want to give this thing to the most That you would want to actually to be buffed up by these rules Hmm 10 print 10 wound demon prince. Welcome back 10 Wunder You continue to be the worst Uh Scroll in that army for all your potential that's been squandered. Okay Uh, and then I just grabbed the picture of this because then we can just use this This is a battalion the Galatian command And they talked about how Basically the hero Could fight or if he's if he is really close to his unit And they're within Did you want to talk about the new heroic actions? Yeah, that's what I'm saying That's I was going to use this to to springboard that I was just summing them up Which is the hero fights or the unit fights, right? um now the limitation on the unit fighting is People are within three inches of the bad guy and the units within six inches of their Galatian champion Right, holy within six So, I mean you got to be like that's not Impossible, but that is a pretty tight amount of space right To execute this maneuver Yeah, but so this is But this is uh, these are heroic actions, right? Yeah, they are although it requires this Battalion because the one that lets you unit fight because it says you're Sworn whatever blah blah blah like I don't have the text in front of me, but it's they get to fight Uh, and the only way you become one of those if you look at the article is like, well, you you join this battalion Right. Well, no, I you're you're saying Uh, the lead by example I was highlighting just a strike at the opening which doesn't have that same language No, it does not if you just want the hero to fight the hero just fights. That is a new heroic action Right, and that like that's what I'm saying. We have a generic heroic action That that could let some combati heroes fight at the start now that applies for the whole turn And so when you get to the combat phase, they're going to be swinging last Uh, which is no bueno, but Yeah, I mean this this is probably The best version of this kind of an implementation of a thing people don't Totally like Which is first of all, it's only letting foot Heroes swing in combat. These tend to be like the weakest of Yep potential models that could be fighting in the hero phase, right And Like there aren't that many non unique Foot heroes that I'm genuinely concerned about at all fighting in the hero phase Maybe like the uh, the mega boss on foot the over tyrant You know, it's it's it's a short list Okay, yeah, because foot melee assassin is the least is the second worst thing you can be in the game Sure Now The um If you do that and you're going second Because you have to be able to execute both of these heroic actions Okay Yeah, so that's number one. You got to be going second in the round And you'd have to be in this battalion that's up on the screen right now Yeah Yeah, and The bodyguard unit has to be wholly within six of the champion and within three inches of an enemy If all of these things are true Then that unit can fight in the hero phase, but then they also get strike last for the rest of that turn Yeah, yeah So That's basically never going to get used well, I mean that's That is a heck of a series of sort of things that have to go your way. I suppose to say it's not like impossible Right like but but how small would that Bodyguard unit have to be to be wholly within six of the champion You 20 model units could do it. They would just have to be very clumped in a little ball um But you can fit a lot of dudes within six inches as a point of fact six inches is quite a lot of space If you're just like if you're just shoving the models together The problem is is that then how many of them are actually fighting Is like maybe not as many though. They could then pile in off of that They don't have to be within three at the or six at the end of the pile in just at the start of the Yeah declaration of the heroic action But certainly there are plenty of things that could do this that would be you know plenty scary that the trick is going to be choosing in the Uh You know in your hero phase to do this thing Uh, it's often hard because you have already have to be in combat. So we're talking about some kind of attrition Type battle. It's not that it never happens. It's just a lot of fights in aos tend to be Bang that thing is dead. Yep. Now. Let's keep going like anthony just said four fulminators anthony If you charge something with full four fulminators and it rolls all the way through Their turn and then back into your turn and that thing is still alive Quit quit playing war hammer because you've you've failed that nothing should survive that You know, I'm I'm mixed on this. Uh, I mean what I'll say is this I I love the idea that they codified power players Like this is the definition of a power player. Yeah, sure. Absolutely. Um It'll be interesting because if This is like prior seasons with battalions. You can only take this battalion once Okay, so it would be one champ and one But uh body guarded unit per army Because it specifically says down below that it Um, the battalion pairs one of the core battalions pairs of vet with a single unit of integer So that's so that's an interesting like so that even if this is ends up being good Which I don't know that it will be because it's just so rare It's going to be limited to literally one unit Sure. Yeah, it's much more constrained, which is good. Yeah, we don't have a bounty hunter situation here clearly You know, I've seen a lot of discussion of does this mean that the the battle regimen just people in the in the Comments we're talking about like does this mean battle regimen will be the thing and we'll all go back to one drop And all that kind of thing. I don't know. I don't know because again I haven't seen all the rest of whatever else is in here So I have no idea what the other incentives are going to be Right. I can only talk about what's on offer here. Not that's the problem people immediately jump to like implications And we don't know implications, right? I can tell you based on what I see here How good or bad I think it is in it examining only this stuff Right. Yeah And my answer is sure Uh, it's fine Right, it's fine It is worth noting as uh Like as hadie said that this may allow lrl to fight with three units How would that be? I'm trying to figure out what so so why is when you fight? It's is it when you select a unit When you fight with a unit you get to select two pick two units to activate instead of one Is that the language? We have lrl's language. Is that what you're asking? Yeah, we'd have to look at our lrl's language But uh, there may like it may not work because it has to be select. Maybe it might be Selecting them to fight and I don't know that you're technically selecting a unit to fight You're allowing them to fight like it might it'd be interesting to read the actual um language Um, the same with like the sole blight. Is that only when they are selected? Yeah, again I'm just spitballing you need to look at the actual rules But like some of the units that allow you to pull another unit into combat if they haven't fought yet that phase um, could Maybe do that Well, I am looking up the rules for lighting reactions right now Uh, no, it would not do that. Is it only in the combat phase? Uh, it's only during the combat phase after any units with a strike first effect have attacked When it's your turn to pick a friendly lumeneth realm lords unit to fight you can pick two eligible lumeneth realm lords units Instead of the combat phase you just have to say in the combat phase and and in addition I'm not done yet. This is actually very interesting for them because there are other implications Oh, yeah, okay neither unit can have the strike last effect Oh, so if those units can fight one after the other in the order of your choice So this would pull uh lrl out Pull a unit out of the selection for lightning reactions if they used either correct If they if they use this uh Then you know if they use the the heroic action then they don't get this now the galatian command Right. Yep. Yep. This particular thing also does work in the combat phase, right? So you couldn't have used the heroic action here now the one we actually have on screen Will allow you in the combat phase when you pick the galatian champion this battalion to fight for the first time that phase Blah blah blah then yes, they can go sure and that's fine. I mean that's The battalion ability in the combat phase like getting a third shot like okay cool With lrl. I mean slaves to darkness do that already all the time Like they can you can easily set up fighting four units before the other person fights in s2d pretty easily So yeah, it's just they can't execute on a hero phase fight So, um Yeah, I mean lots of the this has been the new thing we've started writing into heroes anyways Yep You know where the the crappy foot assassin fights and then the The regular units get to go So far it has not in the way it's been written into the books It hasn't barely been a thing like I think the most use of it's out of s2d And that's with the lord on carcadrack pulling in chaos knights because he strikes first and then pulls the other guys into the strike first effect So, um, I like a more situational like this. It's fine good, you know, I'll be interested to see what else is in there Cool like so far. I'm I'm happy. I'm not seeing any bounty hunters. I'm not seeing any Uh You know expert conqueror type in nonsense Um, but don't worry that could come it could come. Yeah. Yeah, but I'm just saying so far I'm not so that makes me happy. That's what I want. I don't want nonsense Like I agree I I would uh, I I would love it if we if we just had like a good old-fashioned ghp That was just pretty reasonable and had 12 good battle plans. Like that's all I need So we talked about last week. That's all I want. It's just 12 good battle plans That is it That's what I require Yeah, yeah Okay, cool. I think that's all the news. Yeah, we certainly made a lot of hay out of that All right. I mean, it's exciting, right? It is. It is very exciting. I mean h3 for the year Um, and we may have bounty hunter and all that going away. So we know we have three battalions um No, hey, these we didn't talk about it because I don't I don't know enough about it to talk about it That's the issue. Like I didn't they didn't put up a rules thing for it Uh, ben stafferton says best I can offer is four good and three tolerable plans Hey, I will look I guess I'll accept that that'd be still better than our current on offer. Um All right, let's talk about some pick of the week. Shall we? certainly Tom, what would you like to share with everybody? Oh, man, uh I just I can't stop choosing ninjohn That's fine. Choose ninjohn Like I I talked to john about your love affair with him. It's okay. Okay. He's all right with it Is he well it doesn't pass um So I this the video i'm going to spreek this time is he does a walkthrough This is particularly relevant for me right now who um, I have a blank slate for my hobbying area As i'm setting up a new office and ninjohn has a wonderful video on the ultimate mini painting setup Where he recommends, uh, you know Mixing things up a little bit and uh and and setting up and and where to organize things and where to put stuff and priorities and all that and So i'm excitedly, um putting some of that into practice as I am setting up my new space He's got a good space. Um, obviously like I mean, I've been in his his office before or whatever And it I mean, he didn't know it at the time. I was hiding out under the couch just waiting to strike But the dog sniffed me out. You got to watch that that uh his his slobber monster of a dog um But you know, he just it's kitchen countertop right did he put around and then installed cabinetry under and it's a good play It really is because um, it's a good surface. It's at the right height like he has a raised chair So he's up off the ground like yeah, it's nice so anyways Uh, hey prussian warfare. How you doing? Uh, so But yeah, that's good. But so his I will link his uh his ultimate hobby space video below My pick is going to be for the man of the master himself Uh, Richard gray one of my favorite personal painters and Personal heroes He had a new video that I really liked where he was painting a tank and that's a death guard tank and death guard are the only Uh appropriate nergal thing that one should ever paint obviously But that's not the reason why i'm recommending this for everybody. I'm recommending this for everybody because one he does it Mostly with the brush Which is unusual for vehicles, but he talks through kind of how to make that work in your favor But also because he kind of screws up and hates what he achieves midway through and then changes things Which is I think an important Everybody thinks that somebody who's a painter At sort of the level that richard gray is or the you know, any whatever whatever level of painter you picture as a good painter That they just rock up and never make mistakes Right that it's just like you just know what you're doing at all points in time And that's just not the case at all It's just the difference between an expert and a novice is the expert knows how to correct the mistakes He makes because he's made them all before enough happy little mistakes. Yeah So I really liked it. It's a great example of like weathering on vehicles. I agree with mark. What's up mark? How are you doing? Hope you're doing well, buddy Uh, it's a great example of like weathering on the vehicle and um Yeah, I I think that It's just a good overall video. So linked down in the description. All right Tom let's talk about some hobby time Uh, obviously you're moving Um by square inch. I'll bet I painted more than you this week That's probably very true. Yes Uh, I uh, I uh, I did some crazy hobbying. Um, I put in uh about uh 800 square foot of flooring Sure, and uh And I uh, and I painted uh five rooms that happen um Yep, uh, I I boxed a bunch of models. I realized just how much warhammer I have And uh, I I don't know how I feel about that. I'm coming to terms with uh with that Um having to move all of that like somehow in the last year it's exploded Way beyond what uh, I had previously And so, uh, that's a big deal Um, and I'm setting up hobby areas. So I'm doing lots of hobby tangential stuff. Um Yeah, but uh as for painting models, uh, I have most of 120 zombies painted That's pretty good, uh, that's pretty good for uh the weeks leading into, uh The weeks leading into moving. So, um, I have a board to to start on here, uh coming up in the next week or so Uh, well for myself, you definitely buy by yes by square footage painted more than me, but that's okay By square inch, you know, I'm sure I'll be true either way. Um, I'm getting into this guy right here Wow. Um, so this is a scaven bust Okay, which was gifted to me by one Mr. Anthony Pocastro who is in the chat right now Crazy horse. So thank you very much. I've been looking forward to having time to just sit down and have some fun with this guy And obviously he's got you can see he's got a little warpstone glow down there So we're gonna do a little video on that and uh and on just like lighting and using and creating warpstone glow Um, but yeah, this guy's coming together. He's real fun little dude. Uh Like he's a little rat. He's a little rat assassin and I I love rat assassins. So Rats assassins Uh, so yeah, that's what I'm I'm working on um So, uh, just been just been playing around with him playing around with some light And uh, it's it's been a very fun enjoyable paint So just trying to get that and and a lot a lot a lot of work on uh The book for next year, which uh, you and I will talk about uh later Uh, not on on the air. Uh, so Uh, that's might been my hobby time and it's been great Uh, okay. Well tom with that Are you ready to uh Uh, are you ready to I may be texting you things right now. I'm I'm looking at it. That's fine Are you ready to talk about Next year And what we want our 2023 wish list What we want to see Yeah, I'm always ready. Okay. Okay. Okay Uh, right on Uh, let's Let's get into some overviews here. Let's let's set up some some criteria Okay All right, uh, hey martinez. Yes, we did talk about the new ghp stuff as much as there was there Um, we'll obviously we don't have the whole picture. So we talked about what was in the article Okay, so here's the criteria ready. So first we're going to talk. What do we expect? We have to classify that as either almost certain There's nothing's ever 100 right nothing's 100 in life. Okay. Yeah I don't care if they tell me the book is coming out a week from now until it's in my hand It's not certain. Sure. Okay. Sure. Yep I don't want some ship getting stuck in the suez canal or something screwing up a whole what I think is happening. Yeah Yeah, almost certain likely like odds on or pure wish list Okay, like just we're hoping for it. We have no basis or maybe like the thinnest of reasons to believe it But that's where we're at Okay All right, that's that's that's what we're going to label on all of these things We also we're going to talk about what would be best for the game What would be best we have to put it in this context? Is it good for the game or best for the game itself? How is it best or good for the community? And then what would be the coolest surprise? We're going to kind of tackle some of that at the end. Okay Okay, there's a lot of categories here. You're really tripping me up. And so I'll try to keep face. Okay What do we expect? What's good for the game? What's good for the what's good for the goose? What's good for the gander? That's all you need to remember. Okay. Okay. All right That's our criteria Now Let's get amongst it. We start of course with battle tones Now We're going to break this down by by category of thing. Okay. That's how we're going to do this So the roadmap we've already discussed we know What's coming as far as here what's sitting on this roadmap or at least we have real good reason to believe See these three books The formal s2d release beasts gloomspite. We've seen stuff from those books. All right slinash and corn as the chaos books fec and OBR as the death books and then two out of the three of KO sarifon and cities as The two warder tomes, right? Okay Easy peasy process of elimination lemon squeezy, right? No problems. Yep Now obviously this roadmap takes us up to 40 k 10th edition. Yeah That's that's the that's the you can't see it But that's like the end of this map, right when suddenly the eye of soran will focus on 40k and turn away from us, right so Like aragorn leading an army to the black gate You know, we little aos will just be tiny hobbits Running up the scrabbling up the hills of mount doom Or up the sides of mount doom to toss that ring in, right? All but forgotten by our dark overlords, so Uh The question is What comes after that tom? I mean look we've got basically all the tomes done after this right, okay Yeah, but we got a whole year until fourth edition aos After this after that last order tome. There is a good solid 12 months at least Before we get to fourth edition aos, right, right, which we're clearly beta testing with these ghbs Right, right We've talked about we've talked before about the book of nine swords nature of this stuff, right? Indeed So what Battle tome wise now not don't don't go narrative books. I know you want to but don't yeah Okay, because We're gonna talk about that on a separate slide. All right What are the battle tomes? After 40k 10th edition what's what's happening? I mean the easy one the easy one is to say whichever one of the three order tomes we don't get We'll get that other tome. So ko sarif on cities, right? Sure. Fine. Sure Uh teapot. I wish that was true. Hold on I wish that was true that fourth edition would be coming out in 2025 But the usual gw release schedule is every three years And 3.0 came out in 2021 making 2024 the year of aos Fourth edition. I wish that weren't true time is a flat circle, but it is true Okay go Obviously order I don't think that you lean too far away from your mic Sorry. Um, I don't think that we are going to see Too much Uh Can I be bold like is this what we want or what we think is going to happen? You may classify it as per the previous statement, right? You may make whatever prediction you want and classify it accordingly I mean, I think that my My prediction my hope Is that they're bold And they go with something completely new Okay Okay That's not what's going to happen because with the release of Um like from a production schedule standpoint, there's no way that they're going to Be able to allocate that much resources, right to to to putting out a new line when When they're likely chasing the new next 40k big box that they're releasing, right? Well, I mean like Yeah, the 40k thing is going to be a major thing that will suck up a lot of oxygen in the room Right. We know that we've been through the launches of these so they're not going to do something But that was my hope right like my dream would be that they That they now they've updated most of the books Um That they swing big Okay, here's what's going to happen. That's I'm ready. Take me through it What is likely going to happen is that we will see if we're lucky one of the the other death Right, I mean like Soul Blight still would be lacking a 3.0 book which would be the official last home and and they were they were last out of the gate Uh and 2.0 one would assume that they'll continue that journey. So if we're lucky We'll get um, we'll get that that last death book The realist in me tells me we're not going to get any more books So you think like okay Let's say so the back half of the year battle tone wise You're saying realistic answer We get soul blight and whichever one of the order ones we didn't get on this roadmap No, that's that's like a timidly hopeful the realistic The realist in me says we get nothing Wow, okay. I think that's too harsh. I think we'll get for me I would put odds on that we'll get those last two So here's my invitation to you Go look at real 40k release year What aos books came in the latter half of that year The 40k release year was 2020 if you're talking about ninth edition. Yeah, no Not a I wouldn't use 2020 as a baseline for everything for anything. Sure, but 2017 before that, right? Uh, yeah, 2017 was eighth edition. Yeah, that's right. Yeah, and I think I think the same could be said of 2017 is go look Go look at what release look like And and I think you would be surprised. I think we had almost no All releases no book releases. Well, there's a difference between almost none and two Sure, right? I hear that I I do I hear that I do Oh, but I'll we we can I like I'm literally looking right now on my other screen over here Uh late 2017 Uh You are correct in that in late 2017. We actually had zero Because the last thing released in 2017 was was cratering overlords Which came out in the first half of the year before 40k And then we didn't get any tomes until the first nergal tome in 2018 And then in 2020 we obviously had the same story But there's potential exception there because it was 2020 and all the release schedules for food Well, 2020 did have stuff in it. I will say even during the the that year even during the great year of of pestilence Um, it did have stuff at the end of the year. It had two books at the end of the year So and obviously like again Using his so two thoughts to that two two issues. Here's one. Yeah One using any kind of history of what gw has done to predict the future is like the turkey predicting That his day is going to be great when he wakes up on Thanksgiving, right? Sure. Sure Okay Yeah, so that's number one Number two is gw in 2017 Also wasn't anything like gw now as far as production capacity Uh, both like in desire goal Efficacy and capability like they've literally built buildings and laid power grid into their building since then Sure, okay. Yeah, a lot of things have changed now. I understand the books are printed not there and blah blah blah blah blah but they've they've also up ramped a lot of staff and So on and so forth, right? They just are a different Company overall as far as what their capabilities are So I I have to believe we get at least those two books is my honest answer To me The question is it do we get those two books? Okay, that's fine. Okay. I mean it's fine The question is What are the odds we get a new army? Within this calendar year, there's no way You're putting it at well. Look, okay. We're gonna have the city's release will happen sometime this year Do you think it'll be this year? Do you think it'll be next next this year being 2023, right? Yes, absolutely. I mean when they set that up. They basically said it was 2023 Okay, because they said like a 12 month preview and it would fall the same thing sisters did. Okay So we will get cities this year and Or at least I would I would I would mark that as almost certain Okay In my mind. Yep Now The Nature of that release We know is going to be a ton of new figs Right. Yeah. Yeah So we already know that there's going to be a major major major I don't know what to call it refresh launch model launch. Whatever. I mean, it'll basically be a new army Yeah, and that won't happen in the summer So if because it's not good it could all lead it could happen pre The yeah, it's entirely but but this 40k launch will drop like in june because that's what normally happens like late june July they want it to be in that they want it to be in the second half of the year for financial reporting. Yeah Okay, so let me revise and then say If we do have a city's launch it ends up being um September october Okay And it is going to align with a new narrative campaign Okay, the dawn bringer crusade sure I Think and and and do you want me to do you want me to really lean into this? Yeah, go for it man. Do as you will It's it's going to be a drip campaign Of dawn of of cities where we won't get the full Kitten caboodle at the beginning. It may be a drip campaign of like the narrative books Like a la lumineff Leading into the full release like that would be the other possibility Okay All right, I'm gonna take a different swing. Here's here's my money. Okay. Okay. Yep My money is that summer book is cities And let me tell you why I think that Because I think Cities is has been done for a while Maybe that maybe all the rules aren't exactly finished with all the models been done for a while The book is probably off at the printers are about to go there or something like that Or into translation or whatever whatever crazy steps they have. Yeah, who knows what their production schedule looks like. Yeah. Yeah And I think the city stuff will all come in June I think it'll be a and here's why I think so. Wow. Tell me more I and I don't have any like there's no benevolent reasons behind this. Here's I have a very simple reasoning behind this Okay, they want to get it all out before 40k comes. Yeah They want and they want to supercharge their financial year in their mind And and so they're gonna drop this around the same time as the 40k launch Yes, because they don't think there's much overlap between the two purchasing bases There's probably not right. So it's a reasonable thing that over the summer When the most people have the most time to play their games and are hence the most inclined to purchase things Okay, other than the other than the Christmas season. That's your only other time that you you have higher sales, right? They're like Let's just supercharge both of our Both of our User bases And they're going to use cities to try to basically supercharge q2 and 40k to supercharge q3 financial reporting Okay, because the problem is if they put out cities in like August or september it's going to end up going to the same quarterly books as 40k will And they don't want them actually on top of each other Well, but if they But if they do june, it's going to be the prior fiscal year No, their fiscal year is not it doesn't go in the half It starts in may Interesting. Okay Okay. Well, then if that's true, I would agree with anthony bolcastro in the comments who Suggest that we'll get a preview at adepticum Yeah, I mean that's going to be your canary in the coal mine, right? Like I mean That's how you know for sure. Absolutely Um, but that that would be my guess because I think we're talking major relauncher just from everything we see in the articles Right, I mean we're just like every human kit has to be dead in the water. Those are all gone Yeah, like every old kit in cities is dead. Those are all gone You're talking about a complete I mean, but do we even think like Probably with new kits added by the way, they're just gonna they're just gonna it's not just going to be like Here's the new handgunners. Here's the new crossbow guys. That is not what this is going to be No This is going to be here's the new gun troops that are like calling back to the previous gun troops or something Right. Well, here's the new super heavy armored warriors or or Uh Dwarven stall warts that are you know with the that defend the cities and like here's your new iron breaker Stall warts or something like I don't know, you know, I don't just make it up words I'm just trying to gather random mortal realm sounding words, right? Like here's your random mercenary Ogre unit like I don't know you could go anywhere right but but it'll be huge and Uh, I I really think that'll be that's that book right there pre 10th edition Because maybe maybe I I don't really that that logic. Yeah Because I agree with you that the back half of the year for us is just going to be two books I don't think we're getting any new armies this year Beyond that like after the 10th, you know, we're gonna I think we're gonna get two books and then that is it That's where like the like now you're good And we could we could very feasibly if we have a narrative campaign, which I'm sure you're gonna do this Slides and we you know and it slips into the leading into the new edition fourth edition Um, we very very much very possibly could get a new book Like a new army leading in that's happened many many times before Sure, uh, like oftentimes when we get new armies, it's either at launch or in the releases leading right up to Sure And and those new books have been designed with the new edition in mind like that's that's often what we're looking at Um Dennis says they will keep the range for old world. I don't know what you mean by that Dennis You mean they'll keep the existing model lines around I doubt it because they'll want to they'll want to like when whenever first of all It's two separate studios to be super clear two separate studios that don't talk to each other or care what the other studio is doing All right, that's number one Like they don't that's not interacting those are those are like separate companies for all intents and purposes and The forge world studio the specialist studio forge world studio Who's doing old world they're gonna want to make all their own stuff For old world Like they'll they're not gonna be like hey, can we borrow they're not gonna beggar The aos kits No, no, no, they're gonna have all their own stuff No, what you're what you'll get with the aos kits is you'll get occasionally a made-to-order wave of plastics and of Of like old kits like they occasionally do with heroes or they'll do, you know With like space brain chapters or you know like sculpts right where they'll do a run of stuff You may see that you know in an homage a lead up to old world They may release like they may do a One week two week window of buying high elves, right? Like that could be very possible Sure, but that said Like if folks think that you're phoenix garter surviving into the new addition into the new city Yeah, I don't I don't know. I don't know what's gonna I I do not think that they will go I mean, I've been very Strong on this and I stand behind it. I do not believe that the new city's book will be only humans I think they will continue But I think they will retire some stuff sure No, and I think what I think we're not gonna what we will likely not see moving forward is racial specific units That would surprise me What I would expect is that we will have in the kits A mix of elf dwarf and human per in in each unit That would not surprise me All dressed in this in a similar uniform, right? But they're being like dwarves elves and humans in a regiment together. I suspect that's where we're going And to that end I would be very surprised if we maintain racial identity or if we do It'll be one to two. It'll be like power pair type of kits And so for example, like I could see them keeping phoenixes and phoenix guard and then you get an anointed on foot out of that same bundle So you get two kits three or what four? No, technically five six units out of those two kits Right, so you can still have a little bit of elven flavor. That's dedicated But in general it will not be that just like I wouldn't be surprised if we did if we got like A dwarf unit and a dwarf hero, and that's it and that's basically the end of end of that so the But you know, so that's that's cities as whatever it is, right, right? And I do think it'll be a big release like they didn't they're not going to do 12 months of articles leading up to it of Designing for this thing and then release like three kits Right, right, right. I mean that's just common sense Like they're making a big deal of it because they want to make a big deal of it. Yep. Yeah, okay By the way, it'll launch with one of those gift boxes I'm gonna put my finger down. I'm gonna put my oh, of course, of course, you know You know, I mean like the sisters black Templar slaves Or kits Yeah, and uh, the book's not available for the the next two months legally in match play Yeah, that's what's gonna happen. Yeah, now the question is is are we going to be able to do that army for holy wars In the fall are holy happening in the fall. I guess we'll see Okay, but now tom we have another important question here. Oh, okay Which is uh What is we're we're gonna do some lightning round calls on on single hero couple kits Full refresh All right on all the other tomes. You ready? All right, here we go We've kind of seen stuff for these two already. So we'll we'll skip beasts and gloomspight. All right Let's assume the order tome here Is serif on for just argument's sake Okay Because I do think it my money's still the serif on is the more likely one because I don't think they've I don't think they've figured out what they want to do with ko yet They don't have to crack that nut. That's why we got to wait so long for them. Uh, I disagree I think that I think that I think ko or what's coming and I don't think we'll run it with both Okay, if it's serif on what are we getting? single hero A couple kits refresh A couple kits and it would be the replacement of all the sores The sores and the crux of hurt Okay And then they keep all the skinks is of the of the kits the skinks hold up the most. Yep And what they would do if I were them Is do like they keep the carna sore But they replace temple guard and which temple guard aren't terrible, but Maybe they keep temple guard, but they do new source warriors and new sore is something right like, you know They create a new unit and they replace an old unit and they call it Yeah, for me, I think if it's half. Yeah. Yeah, if it's serif on I think it's somewhere above a couple kits and somewhere below a line refresh call it like slightly like a small Partial refresh. Yeah I don't know like More than three, but less than seven. I guess would be somewhere in that range is where I'd put my money You know if I was trying to like sure price is right Range it out. That's where I would say so like four to six. I guess is what I just said Okay Yep All right, let's assume this now if it's ko. What's the what is it? It's a hero Uh, it's what it is. I I'm gonna I'm gonna go out and say this. Okay. I think it's a terrain piece Sure The dock we're finally getting the dock No, so there was like a white house That was in the lore Um that rumors had actually placed it in Uh, potentially the ko stuff that got cut in the last book Mm-hmm. Um And it would not surprise me if something like that was Uh, because that would be an easy kit. They don't have a lot of holes in their line Um, and they have a lot of foot heroes And so that would be that would be one way that they go and as we all know When you have a bunch of foot heroes, they don't just make you another foot hero That's basically the same as the other foot heroes you already like fire slayers Yeah, or ogres or sure and sure. Yeah Like what I wish it would be would be yeah, somebody just said the zombeck lighthouse Um, the zombeck lighthouse. There it is. I wish it would be a melee unit. That would be nice, but uh No, they have two melee units. They're just bad A real melee unit. Yes Um, but come on man. It's it It's a it's just a hero a logisticator Oh, nice nice. I like that All right, let's go next corn What's corn getting let's assume this cast book is corn a hero You think that's it. That's it. Nothing else for corn Nope Okay No, because they functionally with aos one, you know, six years ago They functionally have a line refresh with all their mortal stuff. Sure. Um, and their demon stuff still holds up Um, they just need good worshipals like if they updated the blood throne or whatever. I think it'd be great I agree. It's a single hero like it's absolutely a single hero for corn Uh, let's assume the next one slanesh. What are we talking about there? A single hero Yeah, one would hope for corn. It is a volcano by the way. That would be the correct choice. Yes. Yes. Thank you Of all, it would be a great update update Uh for slanesh, it's going to be some single dumbfoot hero. It'll probably be bad But we'll be like absolutely gorgeous. It'll have booby tassels and it'll be great Yeah, like it will be An absolute killer model that looks amazing That will be bad in the game because it's slanesh. That's that's what we do Okay, let's assume this death tome is flesh eater courts. What are they getting? Mm-hmm Uh Well, we know they're getting a aberrant ghoul king on throne That's a collectable thing. Yeah, I mean that guy exists. Yes um You know I I wouldn't be surprised if we got a new unit Okay What's the new unit like a new unit box? Um And I would see it as something in between Like this is going to sound really weird But I could see them putting like ghouls on the backs like writing the other bigger things And leaning into the night theme like Sure, actually have nights as it were like writing other dudes, right dudes writing other dudes. Yeah Um, I could see something like that which would be weird but, um Otherwise it's just a foot hero, right? Sure because because that line honestly like it could be Uh, nope, never mind. I take it back. I got what it is. Okay. It is a foot hero Um, but he builds multiple ways into all the courtiers Okay Or maybe it's multiple foot heroes like because right now you have to build those out of the boxes So that's the proud nail in that line. I had to think through it So you're going to get a ghoul courtier and then you're going to get a bar golf Uh bar guy, whatever the whatever the big the horror the crypt horrors and uh in the flappies Uh courtiers for them The but the the latter two could be a dual kit of a hero building one of the two ways Yeah, let's say there's a rumor floating around and this is somebody mentioned in the chat And I was going to mention here that they're getting some kind of new foot hero and some kind of like melee ranged mixed heavy ghoul kit basically Interesting. Okay. Let's do that too All I want is the lady of blood like the or the lady of meat or something like that like whatever it is I want I want the lady of the lake analog That's just like some horrible like bog Hag uh that they think is the lady of the lake like that's I mean, how amazing would that be? It's such a win She hits up such a win rather than swords. Yeah. Yeah, just hand out bones Sticks No derrallius. This is the zephyr blade Uh Tom doesn't like that make fun of him. Okay, so if you know what it is. Here we go Uh, cool. All right. Let's assume the next one is OBR. What's OBR getting? It's just so uninspiring I'm sure a foot a foot hero The dame of the charnel pit by the way. I love that or the sanguine lady. These are these are good names. These are all solid Yeah, indeed. Uh, uh a foot hero and good rules. Yeah, that's exactly it's a foot hero and be happy with it. Okay, cool All right. Yeah, I mean, I think I think if we get seraphon, I think it's prime to be the big refresh And then we know cities is going to be like tons of kits and and that's going to be the year of the of the like Big expansions we get Yeah, right. Yep Okay All right What would people really want skeletal archers though? I understand I understand. Uh, I would also, uh, accept a giant, uh, melista Because they they have those in the in the lore as well. They use those when they're defending their I would take a chariot Uh, sure like a bow and chariot. They I don't know if in the Dory they I don't remember if they ever have talk about using chariots, but they they they use a lot of war machines in the Uh, both archers and war machines in the the lore that they don't Actually have represented as kits for for whatever that's worth Um, which is usually not much, but it does exist Uh, okay last question we got an answer on this slide tom. Here we go. All right What would be the cool surprise? Okay Kel's surprise What is What is the thing that would happen this year with battle tomes that would that would blow your skirt up and be like, wow Okay, I did not expect that Um, let's go with The fifth lumeneth book Dear god um No, uh, let's go with um A bunch of supplemental. No, that's that's me. That's cynicism right there. Um, no, let's go with uh Uh, I want to do a line refresh for fleshy your course whole line Okay Like if you want to talk about what what would blow my skirt up That would be for them to really double down Because like what happened was if you'll remember is that fleshy your course got broken off from old death Right and then they made up all of this lore regarding like the nightly orders and the shawarma show Like sure like ha ha brittonium the bow block Na na na So what needs to happen is they do a full line refresh and lean in Just hard lean in with all their kits of like Knights and regalia and all that stuff and just and and put it in the models which it's just not there Okay Like other than like the uh the throne You know like other than a handful the newer and stuff that like that presents this way I would love if they just lean in All right, here would be the cool surprise for me. Yeah, we've got this theoretical line refresh coming with Cities and The cities As they are in the lore exist at least somewhat precariously Sure, right But we are in the middle of these dawn bringer crusades with people going out and settling the wilderness and all of that, right? And in the stories they often hire Mercenary forces to help protect the cities and to protect the crusades and things like that You want our first gold faction? Well, we've been talking about gold factions now for seven years Nothing. Yeah, we have we have nothing. I mean kind of we kind of got gold factions with giants I kind of um But you're not you're not wrong. You're you're you're you're in the space where i'm at You're almost in my you're almost in my bouncy castle. Okay, let me open the door and invite you into this bouncy castle with me I want the new dogs of war, but not that's not actually called dogs of war This would this would be the cool surprise for me If we have cities and we have this dawn bringer crusade push Yeah, right then mercenaries could be a big part of that. There could be mercenary units in the city's book Like they could be part some new models that are literally mercenary protectors of the cities like they're they're just they're on the payroll yeah, yeah, right and so If we have some number of them that you could release some number more Which is kind of how the original dogs of war went by the way You had like some number of kind of existing mercenary type things And then the dogs of war were like here's other races mercenaries. Here's asterisle the dragon lord and We had that pirates and so if you'll remember like we had that with um with the the General handbook sure We did but this would be a different this isn't a take you're you're it's flipped around you're still going the wrong way You're assuming these things are put into other people's armies. I'm not I'm assuming this harvest some portion of the mercenary forces from Dawn bringer crusades and says, you know, these are already a panoply of races, right? Here's the other Here are individualistic forces and these all fight under a mercenary banner for anyone around the realms as a coherent force Okay, so you have effectively like battle tome mercenaries No, functionally underworlds warbands Yeah, only like Uh Bigger than that because they're actual units not not necessarily just three dudes and a guy But yes, but like some underworlds warbands are like six dudes and a hero I'm talking about a unit. This is like this is the so for example Sure, someone just be heroes and could be very much like underworlds things. Yes By the way, that could just be an underworld season that's going at the same time Sure, um But I mean like Here's your guys they come in 10 for 110 points and they have You know, I don't know laser guns whatever right who cares Right, but their point being is that they're like they're nominally order They're nominally an order faction. Sure Uh But they Can also under certain that like I guess I am pitching a gold faction because yeah, they could fight under under certain terms Yeah All right party Benson. He says I'm not following here. Let me explain Let's assume a new dawn bringer city's book. You have some number of kits that are mercenary ish Yeah, okay. That's step one. I'm assuming Step two is then we release a battle tome called battle tome mercenaries And or something like that. It's not actually gonna be called battle tome mercenaries It's going to be called like battle tome some no, you know, what it's going to be called Is it's going to be called? Uh broken realms mercenaries, you know, like it's going to be some narrative thing that'll that'll inject mercenaries into And in this tome you have factions that are all willing to fight for the cities or for order or for whatever for money Ultimately, they work for the highest bidder And you have representatives of the different armies in here Not just the other or like you have the whole order portion Jacked in they can recruit any of those but then you also have new kits for them Okay, you got like five six new kits as well One of which is like a death group Here's your death hero and your reinforceable death people Yeah And they're just mercenary death people that are broken away from the gosh and they fight for coin Like some rogue necromancer and his special brand of of poison zombies or something. I don't know whatever Right, uh pirate zombies. Why not? Yes. Okay and and on and on right and And you've got this mix of different races and peoples both from the good guys and the bad guys whatever whatever that means, right And then but they all fight under the banner of like their battle tome is battle tome. We kill people for money As a group coherently, that's what we're all about Right, but So can they be included in other armies as allies? No, no, we don't mess around with that only So this whole battle tome is the entire gold battle tome and they only allied with each other In the narrative sure they go fight For other forces all the time. They don't fight with them Right, like cities hire some daughters hire them people chaos hires them Everybody hires them in the world, but they don't mix their forces. Okay, they use them for like Whatever they're not currently using their army for Sure, right. We don't need to suddenly open up the world to broken rules For you're not going to mix these with other units. No, just simply It is a force of mercenaries that like narratively they're fighting for other faction But the composition internally is a bunch of things that are all coming in this book And so you could basically balance it. Yeah, correct Okay, just drawn together of yes sickness said battle tome monetized murderers Perfect, sure Right I am not literally describing fireslayers and ko because fireslayers and ko are a unified race ko are ultra capitalists They do work for money But they follow the code and the code is very restrictive and has other things they have to do Fireslayers are quite mercenary and do work for chaos and other forces, but they are a unified people No, this is not that I mean no functionally what if you're if you're trying to like pin down what he's describing He's describing cities of st. Mark We're describing dogs of war From fifth edition or hammer fantasy battles where I could have a unit of lizard men Fighting next to asinil the dragon lord a high elf on a dragon next to barrageo the besieger A human dude with a giant mace who also brought a cannon with him And then he's got some human dudes with crossbows and big shields next to him Okay, and it's a united benetton of of of peoples from across the realms whose unifying factor Is that they don't care about there's no creed the fireslayers are all about they're mercenary But that's not their number one goal their goal isn't go make money Their goal is go find the pieces of grungy and put him back together. They have a mission Okay, these dudes don't there's no principles their principle is Will cat will kill for money Right, that's it Right But i'm saying that you have a bunch of like races within a single book that's all working together For a unified purpose their purpose being money. That's cities of st. Mark Like you have elves and dwarves and humans and all of them they're coming Well, i'm talking about a bigger tent party you would of course of this you'd have orcs and goblins and Necromancers and yadda yadda yadda yadda yadda that's what you're saying and they're all just punching people for money Sure. Yeah That would be the cool thing for me. You know, the funny thing is is they really wouldn't have to release uh new kits Um, it could be the first book that they ever release. Here we go. It'd be the first book that they ever release Where everything are foot heroes All of them are foot heroes that are just unit like Unit champs for other units. So like you buy this champ, right? And then you have like a box of like iron iron drakes or whatever and he's your champ for this But you use the normal iron drake for your foot heroes put foot soldiers Totally and by the way rocks nighter I am not talking about order grand alliance battle tone because in case I can't impress this enough There would be orcs in here. There would be like a smart goblin who's out on the on the prowl There'd be a scaven unit in here That's like some smart claw lord who took some boys and is like enough of this We're not doing this anymore. Let's go over to those guys and hang out and just get paid to kill people Like why kill each other? Like some members of each race, especially if the other non-order races have to be smart enough To figure out that humans are willing to pay them to kill their enemies Yes, they can get all the murder they want and get paid for it. It's like a win-win if you're a bad guy Okay And uh, if you are interested in win-wins and being a bad guy, I would encourage you to like and subscribe our video at this point At any rate There we go I could see for the like if you played warbler fantasy battles in the 90s Then you know what i'm talking about with dogs of war. It's just that just look up dogs of war if you don't know What i'm talking about that's all yes Yeah, it was wild and super cool One of my favorite battle tomes. They ever did I don't have to ever do anything like that again I want to make a skeletal unit of like orcs and Yeah, uh the cursed company, you know, was that the cursed company? I think yeah, yeah yes uh okay So There we go. That would be my cool surprise Um, again, I see I i'm putting the odds of such a thing at somewhere near zero percent But it'd be amazing That would blow my skirt up like I would be in on that force so hard a bunch of people would Because you could pull stuff from From underworlds as well like crazy. Yeah, it would be the perfect modeling situ opportunity Yes Uh, okay There you go. Thank you. Thank you. Dennis. Dennis. Yes, exactly the cursed company of rickter kruger the damned perfect All right narrative books Yep, that's happening sure All right, let's talk the narrative So here we go. I've got the thawndia picture up here I assume we're gonna get the next one, right? We're gonna get another season Yeah, uh like war This ghb is still in thawndia Seemingly because we're still talking about Or galatians, but but we'll likely get a new Season of war um the fall Um with a new region okay So are we so we stay and obviously we figured out now that this whole edition is clearly just going to be in Gir so fine, right like that's where we live now But we're going to a new A new continent. Okay. Well like uh sickness. I'm just gonna jump in here. You say you want to play another round Guess what we're going to uh, we're probably a 4.0 4.0 is going to be in shadow Like we're gonna go. We'll do finally in 4.0. I'm calling it. I think that's what's gonna happen Then we'll get skaven in the launch box and then we'll get malaria in soon after Well, that's 2024 prediction But I think if you were going to do like I hope it's skaven that would be perfect The other potential is that that's when they would do because it's going to swing back to chaos The other potential is that that's when they chose to introduce chores No, no, that won't be a court. It'll be skaven. It'll be a complete new skaven read read as I'm calling Because it because it fits with both the need of the line and it also fits with The the narrative because you could technically if malaria is an order faction which he very likely could be He could be your it could be malaria inverse Rats these rats are pushing into old goo and he's like nope clean them out And that's we finally get a non-storm cast starter. I suppose it's possible Maybe I mean maybe and then you end up getting a remake of island of blood which we uh with the Anything's better as long as you don't get another fifth edition. We're good. Uh, okay So Uh What do we want from this narrative book? I think we both agree almost certainly so like almost certainty We're getting a new narrative book a new season of war Sometime this year. Yeah, right? Yep. Okay. That one feels like Right up there at the top extreme high percentage, but this will happen, you know marring some weird series like broken realms was honestly I I really enjoy the advancement the narrative advancement we get with broken realm style releases I I do as well, but I think they'll save that for the first six months 2024 because they'll be done with all the battle tones Well, but I think that that'll that'll be at the end of the at the end of the launch Like at the end of the like just like we got marathi at the end of the of the prior year Like we got marathi and like that november timeframe. Yep I think that we could see that at the end of next year Is to be so like book one of whatever that happens. So maybe like this season of war kind of sets that up And then we'll move into that to a narrative arc to end out the addition Yeah, things I want to see, you know what that is I want to see a box a terrain box again Give this time just a terrain box not a stupid incarnate in there Uh, yeah, and if they want to take another bite at an incarnate as they can Uh in uh, ool goo when we get an incarnate of ool goo next the following year What what odds are you placing? on a Uh on another on another incarnate in this calendar year Uh, hi Yeah, I agree. It feels like an almost certainty to me. We're gonna be getting saddled with another one of these idiots It'll be like an incarnate of rage or something sure uh, but like I would be very happy if we Like fine another incarnate. Great. Okay, cool Just make him bad and I'm okay with it and by the way He should be available separately Like here is the box you can buy the incarnate. He's like a model. He comes in a box Like models do You know how you buy stuff Okay, yeah, and then over here Yeah Is a big terrain box meant for the season Perfect. Great by the one you want And there you go Yeah, and I'm okay if they include like the season of war book in that that thing honestly Like it it reduces the buying power of it, right? Um But I I think that that You know, let me say it this way. I think What it needs to be is this okay? They they need to do the box and terrain and board They need to do the model. They need to do the book and then they need to do a limited edition release of all three That's what that's what needs to happen And the limited edition release all that'll be bundled together And the book will be some special cover. Sure. So you buy in at the level you want So just yes. Yes. Sure. Like that would be the nicest thing That's that would be ideally if they wanted to capture the most amount of the market. That's what they would do Okay, the next question is what do we want from this narrative book and and I have one answer which is I want it to be Allegedly like this arcs of omen thing for 40k is supposed to be and somebody mentioned this in the chat already um, the discussion around the arcs of omen is that it's complete narrative thing It's it's a narrative thing Like if you're into it get into it, it's going to tell a story It's going to let you play games that are that kind of thing. Yep. Yep. And if you're not Don't Yep Yep, and that's it Yep And we're following the offspring model of keeping them separated Uh, which is that sounds great That sounds amazing. Let's do that. I don't want to have to work If the incarnate had come out as a narrative only thing I wouldn't care. I'd be like great. That's a fun fun times for everybody Yep The problem is when we tried to shove any of that crap into match play rules Yeah right and Keeping it off separate so people can use it. Like I played through thondia. I thought it was fun Like me and a buddy played through it over a course of a couple weeks. We had a good time It was great. I was very happy with it. It was a very fun game I would like that again Give me another fun narrative campaign to go through Right And give me yes, mic is correct. I want cool narrative battle plans Right that are fun for the narrative that that is being told in this story Yes, please Wonderful Just don't make me learn five new things in an already complicated, you know, 50 new things or whatever in an already complicated world Where I also have a new ghp potentially at that same time i.e middle of the year Right. Yeah Um And and I wanted to just be an arc that feels like it's taking me through whatever is happening in the story I would also love it if the narrative had some kind of Finger pointing at consequences in the world At some way the world was changing Doesn't have to be the biggest thing but it has to be something Yeah Right. Yeah, some force realigning a new leader taking over an army some City being founded or destroyed or you know what I mean something like that right Like move the story in some way Through this narrative and then I get to experience and play through that You know, it could be as simple as and by the way doesn't always have to be like good guy cities falling I would point out that like that catacross taking Uh the fortress that he did You know one of the fortresses of the eight points Right was it was a really cool narrative thing Yeah, it was and so That kind of thing is what i'm talking about like the world changed death has a foothold in the eight points Yeah, right So real actual consequences for the world that changes the footing and the narrative as we know it Would be cool Especially if as you said it then pointed towards the sort of end of uh Edition arc We were gonna have Yeah Right if it directly provoked If it was sort of the inciting incident at the end of it Yeah, or whatever the end of edition arc is Thumbs up now. We're really cooking Uh with with gas here Right Yep, i'm in. Yep Anything else we want from a narrative book anything else narrative book oriented No incarnate What would be so so here's the question we got to answer on every slide. You ready? Let me just say this. No, no It's not that no incarnate. Just put the incarnate in the narrative only rules. Sure. Yeah, as we said, yes Yep Okay, ready tom for the question. The question is What's the cool surprise? What's the cool narrative book surprise? Uh that we would get um robust alternative narrative play rules in The broken realms and that they would be supported in a meaningful way By the community Do you mean like an ongoing campaign system? You mean something different than path to glory? What do you mean? Yes? Yeah Yeah, I I mean, I mean a campaign system uh such that so think about path to glory but with Maybe as well a mac like i'm thinking more firestorm mask okay But robust and interesting And that and supported in such a way that it's actually being utilized by events or events There's an event structure around it where that gi gw is just like they have taken an active hand in promoting match play events and competitive events Um that they would do something similar narrative Okay I see a lot of votes in the comments for the anvil of apotheosis Totally get that. Sure. I know that was very popular for especially amongst Narrative folks and I agree. I like the anvil. I think it's fine. I think it was overtly Probably complicated, but I think you could take a second bite at that apple and get somewhere as a narrative only rule That's cool. Yeah Uh Here would be my big surprise Okay Yeah My big surprise would be the cool thing I want to see Is I want to see the leader of one of the factions killed And a new leader rise and that new kit to be released along with Whatever the first book in the in the in the narrative arc cycle is Yeah, okay They can die in that book or not and I don't care who it is by the by I'm willing to throw up anybody into the chipper shredder All right, okay But Some nominal leader Actually dies dead dead dead not Not dead for five seconds like teclis destroys negash, but negash just reincorporates back home right I mean dead dead Now the problem with this and I know is that a lot of the leaders of these factions are near godlike beings that are very hard to disperse Okay, and also that have a model attached to them That's okay We blew up anvil guard a whole city that had rules attached to it and we said You can still play anvil guard if you do you're playing partisan forces Or You know, whatever. Yeah. Yep Yeah, or you're playing before the fall of anvil guard Yeah, that's what your army represents Okay Yeah Same thing here. Let's just pick a random hero. Okay I realize this is off center and it was killing me slightly uh teclis teclis bites it. He's dead now Okay, he's just he's just dead now. He's just dead now. Yep And so That lets us up. So first of all, maybe the replacement doesn't like the replacement in the long term is tirion Right or whatever But then he has some lieutenant that steps up and it's a new kit for LRL or whatever and and that's what I'm saying Right Now that doesn't mean with all these figures. It doesn't matter. You can eventually bring them back I'm not saying forever and ever and ever they have to stay dead. Right. Everybody comes back No one's ever really truly gone Right In a magical world, right But have somebody bite it Uh And make it real make it impactful to that army and then have somebody come up And then leave that and then wait three years an addition or so And bring them back. They're back. Hey, they re-incarnated. They came back again a new hero a new version and like a LRL Yeah, whatever. Yeah, right. But but like That would be a cool surprise for me All right of of actually seeing like the head of one of these factions killed right uh Sure like Archeon bites it and bellicor takes over sure Sure. Yeah, I'll throw anyone into the chipper shredder. Like I said, I don't care Because they don't have to be gone forever. Like oh you It's fine. You can still play Archeon. No one's stopping you from playing Archeon Just in the story currently he's dead Yeah If we can kill Superman in the comics and Captain America and everybody else they've been around a lot longer than these idiots Yeah, okay, and they don't stay dead forever. So fine They'll eventually get Brock back, but it'll be interesting to explore the consequences in the world of that person falling Yeah Like death of insert character here Having wide-ranging consequences on their faction and the world would be an interesting thing to explore totally It's a Marathi. Yep uh Gareth says storm cast generals rise up and revolt against the celestate prime for spending too much time fighting for other armies and stabbing in the back Yeah, exactly. Oh, dude's never in a storm cast army. He only hangs out with other people Too cool for school that guy all right Anything else on narrative? I think we're good No, it's good Yes, man. He says the iron jaws guy can die perma. His kit still builds the normal guy on a cabbage. Yeah, sure. Or you can just have a new dude Yeah fine okay all right events Uh events tom Events in 2023. Well, I mean I kind of that's funny. I didn't change it at what here accidentally I kind of hinted at what I wanted to see right like I want to see us get More more commitment towards narrative events okay Like the big thing they did at the Yeah, open finals or whatever for yeah, and they yeah. Yeah, that's exactly right Um, but really have a plan and execute that plan Is what I want to see Okay That's exciting to me So I want to see so I'm going to break this up because I've got a lot of a lot of thoughts on this one. Okay I hope that this first year was kind of the test year for the us open events right yeah and I think You know, I mean I know mike Well enough that is a like I've spent time talking to guys a Real smart guy. I think he's doing a good job Creating these events and leading this yeah, and Things I would like to see for events garret. You're actually not wrong at all. I was going to go there Number one would be I'd like to see an actual event pack from gw Not like a step above match play rules. These are for tournaments tournament event pack For running a gt Some kind of like scoring and stuff like that not compulsory like they use it at their events Right But it's not compulsory. It's not like it's a thing you because to's can still do whatever they want But they have a published available pack That is a starter pack for people who want to run two-day tournaments to use that they can just pick up And have stable tested scoring Secondaries all of that Sure Right just like hey new to who wants to run a two-day Here is the here's the official thing. You can use this as you want You can change things if you want Do whatever you want. You're still in charge But but here's a foundation for you to work from Sure Right Yep I'd love to see the kind of us open style events expand. I hope they go to more places more countries more locations Yep And I would love to see them love to see them Have some kind of way of creating feeders For lgs events Or smaller events or other events Yep Where they can work with other other events and say hey when you at this local store You win this thing or at this two-day gt or whatever We're going to supply you with a For lack of the better term I'll use what they used last year, right? Yeah Like we'll supply you with one golden ticket that you can choose to give out however you want Yeah Or but but you know give it to probably whoever wins like best general or best overall or something would be the recommendation And that person gets to go To like gets a ticket to go to some kind of big finals event And pass that around And we build a really big event right I don't know if i'm accidentally suggesting ptqs into the pt circuit or whatever right that's not my goal Uh, maybe it's more like states back in the day, but Uh, but something like that I think would be cool as for events And I think if you had that kind of resources where a to could say here's a stable battle pack I can use I think if they had some kind of application for resources where you could also then which they already do But like making it a little more formal where you could actually get terrain and stuff from them To help run events, you know, obviously tyler has taken a big Uh, push into this as well with having you know pre-made tables that he can ship around the country to people, right? Yep and And really just built up that scene and then as you said I completely agree as well expanding out narrative events Like ride narrative events alongside the turning events Because that the challenging part is it's usually hard for a narrative event to sort of carry its own weight I guess to get enough people there To just be doing that Yep, but narrative events that are happening alongside other events. I think are very stable and and have been You know well attended Right, so you just give people that other option That's what I'd love to see Yeah, I think it'd be good right. I mean, is there anything I'm missing there? What's what's what's the other event thing? That wouldn't I mean, I think we would hit you hit all the high points, right? Is there a cool surprise That we could see with events Yeah, um, like a full integration with the community like a global campaign with Some type of active like event chain Engagement Love it. Love it. It would tie back to the previous thing almost right the the narrative But yes, like a true global event to decide some future activity in in the in the realms sure. Yep That's the bonus I think I think that would be the cool surprise. I agree I agree that'd be fun Okay, good I think that's good All right war cry, of course, we're going to talk a little about war cry here tom We can't not discuss war cry at all Okay So for war cry, we know we've got the quarterly box sets coming Yeah, right The second box set was cool We know we're going to get new ones. We got at least two more coming that have been on the roadmap So tom, what do the next Boxes what do the next quarterly boxes contain? We know the next one has some kind of blood theme But what do they contain? A board Some terrain some models terrain. Yeah. No, what are the factions tom one more band? That's corn oriented Uh-huh like they're a blood drinking corn faction And the other one is a decorated in bones Um So one is harvesting blood and organs and the other is harvesting bones and both are fighting over Horses Now I'll tell you what I want. I mean sure I want the corn versus soul blight grave lords vampire box Sure. Okay. Like I want the battle over blood Like this is not they can't equitably divide up the body. No, no, no And when I was saying what I was describing I'm suggesting I'm not suggesting that they're equitably dividing up but they're fighting over corpses specifically for their own purposes. Sure Uh Well, there is both a um Gabor there is both an fec icon on the map and a soul blight grave lords icon on the map Um, in fact, I think there were two that were potentially soul blight Um But Yeah, man, I want to see a blood versus blood match like just all the blood Who's the real master of blood? And I understand that that's leaving out the daughters of kane who also have a blood obsession Yeah Uh But man tell me vampires like some kind of vampire themed soul blight versus corn war cry warband wouldn't be incredible, right? Mm-hmm. That sounds awesome Just lunatic blood worshipers going at it. That that's that's an amazing box Okay What about our next box after that tom? Who do we want to see? In this in this fight who deserves the build out opportunity that war cry provides Right because that's ultimately what war cry does is it gives you a chance to sneak a new unit into your army That's what the rottmeyer creed did Right snuck this new valuable unit into nergal And same with the teeny weenies Weenchers The little the little skinker dudes. Okay. Yep the new chameleon unit. Yeah. Yeah Uh, clearly it has to be a ko unit Okay Sure. I mean this could be a chance to Sneak in the melee ko unit because they're not Flying big giant boats in this woods, right? Right. And so the answer is is uh, they're on 40 mil bases And they're little mini mech suits They're augmented combat suits I well, it's a sense. It's war cry. We can do mixed bases Well, okay, you make spaces sure and they're like a little like their storm trooper. They're like They're sky storm troopers. Okay. I want eight. Here's my here's my here's my ko Shocktrip. Sure. Okay. Here's my here's my it's going to be in bases of eight. So eight 16 24 sure Because theoretically these can go battle line in the ko army in the updated book. Okay. Why not? you got Uh, you got a leader guy Yep And four and the you got a leader guy like a 32 you got four normal dudes on 28s and you got three mech suit dudes on 40s Yep That's your unit Okay Yep and the four normal guys are Like a little bit of range and a little bit of fighty. Okay, so like they're arco like they're arco They're sort of yeah, but they're they're like heavily armed utility belts. Sure. Okay. Okay, right You got a leader dude who's like a swashbuckly type of guy. He's he's boldly going in here to get some treasure Okay See, I thought I thought you were going to go with Um, like a mixed force where like you have an engineer that's fixing These mech suits sure that that dude's also an engineer. He's just he's just a swashbuckling engineer A swashbuckling engineer that's fixing the mech suits And they're which are more melee oriented and then you have the other lighter smaller guys that are providing like support fire For the the the mech the mech melee It's all close range because you're in tight jungles, right? And then you got three mech suit dudes Who are pure melee clampy hands? kind of thing And saws like like yeah saws and clampy hands. Yeah, totally There you go. Boom done. That's that that's a unit. That would be awesome Who else needs a unit? Who are they fighting in this imaginary box that we're just crafting completely from from whole cloth? Uh, clearly it has to be a um Uh, it has to be a just the most primal Uh of war cry war bands because it's going to be like tech versus savagery Okay Uh, and so it has to be like a cultist group, right? Like because we've always always done some type of Like chaos cultists like that's the heart doesn't have to be but sure could we we could always go all of the box All the boxes have been that though, right? But again past doesn't predict the future sure Robert Snyder said wait, are we doing avatar? I mean accidentally so it seems yeah Yeah, basically. Yeah, and so we're gonna do blue Sure Yeah, I mean uh beasts like cw just said and it's beasts. That's the answer. Yes. That is the right answer Like beast of chaos Like an awesome new beasts unit They could again be somewhat mixed right of some kind of uh, uh Savage gore, right? And that would be fantastic like give give us a new range of models for those guys who need it desperately Yeah and Uh, that sounds like a super fun box set right there. Yeah Savage uh beasts versus, you know, ko guns and tech classic Classic All right What other ranges would we hope see some new models over the course of the year because I assume we're just gonna get I assume we're just gonna get these quarterly boxes ad nauseam Oh I think that we have to see some fec stuff Okay Like it's just gonna have to happen. Uh I don't know you got me, man Okay Here's uh, I'll give you my I'll give you the other ones that I would very much want to see. Okay Okay This is how we get the skaven Uh Eshin forces refreshed without needing a whole model line refresh Like this is the vanguard to that Because you just put make them a work right warband like a complete work Instead of the underworld's warband. I'm I'm gonna go the other direction. I think you're wrong here Okay, I hear Eshin. I understand where your heart's at But that's but you are you are thinking about this completely wrong friend. I'm ready This is You're the refresh of your clan your clan molder Because this is gur the realm of beasts And so this is your mixed big rat Your rat herds your all of that Just fits into the realm of beasts And you can have mixed base sizes, right for like little taskmasters whipping like Uh giant rats and stuff like that forward and you have mutations Like this is like this stuff that that it writes itself for reinventing molder I first of all Completely agree with you. I I rescind my previous statement and have now come down completely on your side I am with you 100% Let me also answer a comment Jeff grunts who said the past doesn't predict the future but your adamant the 10th edition 40k is coming in 23 and a os 4 and 2024 as if set in stone Yes, I am Because the models in a box set are non predictive of anything. There's no business outcome tied to that okay Edition changes which are their biggest money moments and things that like very high up If you're the executive board in that company You absolutely know when they're doing edition changes and you absolutely have a say in it and care a lot Because you look at the bottom line and can see the difference of what happens when you change an edition and you watch your sales go like that So yeah, as soon as somebody sees sales go like that they're going to be like I want one of those every year period you go figure out how to make this happen every year I don't care what you do. Just I better see this Done Yeah, like that's how business outcomes are excited. So and right now it's but like whether chaos is in a book Or is in a box or not nobody at a high nobody cares. Yeah, so for product lines It's been a os 40k and then other which has been like kill team war cry Stuff like that in the year Um in year three in that off year We could very likely see old world filter into one of those others um as as is uh Like continuing to see the cycle that we have of like war cry kill team, etc. Yeah now again the As with any edition release or anything It's true. Nothing is absolutely certain in this world They could always just decide they could get to a point where they see enough diminishing returns on edition changes that they're like Okay, this isn't working anymore. Let's slow it down and change up our model somehow. They they do that as well Right, but at my point is the difference between like a business level decision and a hey, what's the fun thing to put in a box level decision now You're absolutely right on the molder thing. That would be amazing And as william matthew has pointed out in the comments, but the molder pit is in and door and and tor southeast of thandia and galay Uh, which should be the 2023 24 season. So there's your even your season Which is an and or And man and tor Fantastic. Yeah, because that would give us. I mean rat ogre's our good lord the picture in the book is so comical Of that and let me point out. We do have a scaven on the new ghp I sure again. I don't think that means anything, but sure Okay, it's heralding. What's to come just like the other One heralded that we're getting a new glooms fight book Coming in is that what it did? Yeah, because that that season wrapped up and we get a glooms fight book This season's gonna wrap up and we don't get a scaven book No, but we're gonna get scaven to show up in and and in work, right? Yeah, they're completely unrelated. That is boy That is some magical thinking right there Okay Uh Is there anybody else you'd want to see in a box set in a in a work ride box set like any other force that would be The super cool thing or somebody who needs or could really use another unit Uh, I'll I'll give you an easy one because I I do have one more Okay And that's fire slayers expand that range. Oh my god with a new and interesting unit Oh, don't tease me like that Ha ha ha ha ha But right that yeah, that's the answer. Yeah. Yeah Yeah, like they need something and that would fit Like a glove Yeah, like because an fec fire slayer would be a fun one Yeah, there's a hundred reasons why the fire slayers may be there. Yeah Yep, so Yeah, okay cool Very good Surprises or this is the this is the final slide. This is the kind of you know catch all So surprises What else what other things what other wild swings? What else would we want? Uh, I've got the first one. I'll say it here. I've been waiting the whole show. Here it is Uh, where is my Standardized starter casual. I don't care what name we put on it battle pack Where can I have that now, please? That's what I would want I want the stable battle pack that we've talked about in previous shows That jettison's battle tactics and all that stuff and simplifies the game down Yes, for those people who've commented. Yes, I am aware of the thing In the core rules that is still too complicated. It still has too much junk that doesn't need to be there I'm talking about the simplified play experience aos 3.0 We covered this in a previous show where we discussed to start our battle pack or casual battle pack or whatever I don't I don't want to like I don't want that. I don't want the name to be the thing we get hung up on right But where's that? That's what I want. I want it gives to me So there's one What else you got? Um, I want the new uh, I want a New game Okay, all right, that is necromunda for aos That had a name Tom I don't know you're talking about I've given up. I've given up naming things like that Sure, because it never happens Um, and so you don't think we'll get more time when when we get old world in 2024 We will but I don't I I don't want more time It won't be more time in that set. Well, I mean, maybe it will be I don't know It's set around the same time as more time. Well, that's what I'm saying like Old world is set it around the same time as more time. It wouldn't surprise me if they do a launch The coordinate the launch between those two like that's the natural out working there of Is to do is actually do like a full forge world release of more time. Sure. I get that That's not what I'm asking about. Okay, like I don't want a forge world Specialist gains More time That's not what I want. I want I mean, we assume that will happen with the launch of the old world being as I as I stated I'm pretty sure their current time setting for the old world is like 500 years Pre the destruction of the world which would be about the same time as more time was happening. I think with memory serves Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yes. We're right in that right in the same wheelhouse And I love more time and I would look forward to that and I would love to play that Okay, that's not what I want I want to come back over here to aos And I want to explore a shade spire I want to explore. I don't know some other corner of the aos world with narrative rules Or like with rules that are going to be necromunda ish Got it. So you're talking about a very focused type of tight experience That's what you're like you're you're you are using the more I'm a trope But like the whole point of more time was it was largely set in this one setting Obviously later expansions took it to other places like the jungles of lustria and so on But conceptually we're setting it in this one place. I don't know. I mean war cry is already doing that pretty well I don't I hate the war cry play experience. I hate it Wow, like I I don't want that. I don't want the five term play experience Okay I like I I love the open-ended character of the mornheim game I love the two by two foot tables of mornheim Okay, like I don't want to go back to Or not two by two a four by four that we would play mornheim on Right, like I want the bigger board. I don't want the tight turn based Like I want the semi I want the game that could literally like start and then just end because of bad die rolls You know, and then there's a resolution the now of narratively where we go from here because no one won Right or the giant woke up, right and we all just decided to bounce and not stay in fight. Sure Like that would be a surprise. I mean I have to wonder about the feasibility of such a game in the in the current world Yeah, and I I don't know but what I'm saying is is that like if you want what I Like my my gem of what I want. I want that type play experience you know Diled into the aos Like world. I got you Okay Yeah, I think in like in that sense like noops has a work rise less dudes a more clean modern game Cool. That's not what I want Like and I don't care if there's the minutiae of rules like necromunda has I'm okay with that. I'm okay with some That's what I would say okay Yeah, I mean That would surprise me. I I won't like you're what you're talking about is obviously the inclusion of a lot of more rpg Influenced gameplay. Yeah, yeah And and I do think there's a world there worth exploring obviously Well, let's not forget that back in like 2017 They decided to to to swerve left on this Or swerve right and lean into this Like if you'll remember the second cursed or the second warhammer quest box they released Was hammerhaul shadows over hammerhaul. Yeah, which required a dm Yeah, sure Like like if like it was truly back into the narrative like a more of a narrative dnd rpg style Yep Like it's it wasn't this automated thing like it was it was community storytelling and so And a more time like play experience is not even that far Right. Yeah, you're saying you don't care like you're not looking to recreate the exact thing But that kind of experience is with with rpg infused elements something like that Correct, correct. Okay. Yeah And like again, I can go play more time and that's fine, but that's also not in the aos world That's in the old world. I understand I get you Okay I'll tell you what I mean It would super surprise me if we if we did get a completely new force in this year That would just be like I think it'd be neat But man, it would shock the heck out of me. Like I just don't see it Uh I would it would completely blow my mind if they were like also here's Malarian's forces, which they won't do because that'll be for ul-gu or whatever But or here's chorfs or here's Karnathi or here's, you know, any of the 50 million things we've talked about that are that are floating around in the in the ether of Of potential armies, like that would truly shock the living bejesus out of me Yep, I agree Um Yeah, I think that's probably most of the big stuff. All right. Cool. Tom anything else you want to close out on? Well, I'm excited to see what the new year holds Yeah, I I am very excited the little bit of the preview of That we got of the ghp has me pretty pretty hopeful Uh, you know as we mentioned in some previous shows I do think we're sitting on the precipice of the most balanced the game has ever been Well at the same time often being the most engaging the battle tomes are that have been coming out are solid they're Engaging interesting You know feel like they're appropriate to the army And I think that the only thing holding us back has been the anchor of a kind of underwhelming frankly bad ghp So if we get that rocket and rolling Uh, I really feel like this could be a pretty bold new world for For aos where where 2023 is just feels like the best year The the game has ever had right, yeah Uh, you throw that casual starter battle pack on there and we're just we're really we're we're straight to the moon Uh, so that's where I'm living. Okay, but where are you out there living? 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