 I'll just call us over at 638, go ahead. So, and I think part of getting new board members something that we all talked about was we felt it has always been kind of very gender heavy and one for one extreme and you really want the board to be more diverse in terms of gender and also the nationality and the city and all that. And I think that's important. And so that there's representation across the board in terms of the work that we're doing. Right. Counts also graphic as well. Yeah, correct. Yeah, do you want to do a quick round introductions. Certainly. Yeah, sir. Hi, welcome on Michael body on board chair, probably year three or four somewhere in there. I live in Randolph I'm a teacher, and I've actually had a couple shows on orca back in the day. And they were, they were a lot there a lot of work I just want to say that to keep a show going right there. It can be a job. But incredibly. I'm Chad Irvin, I work in documentary film, and I think I've been on a year or two. Maybe. And have recently been become acting secretary. And I'm trying to think if there's something else about me I also have run a nonprofit for filming media makers in the state of Vermont. And interested in trying to rethink ways work I can become more involved in the community outside of just community access programming, that is one of my great. I'm not regarding work. Who is next I guess we people are here also. Full introduction. I'm live assembler. I am a photographer and educator. I live in more town. I grew up in Vermont and went away for like 15 years or so. And worked as a photographer documentary photographer and then also like teaching youth photography programs and kind of doing my some of my own work and some of my own projects but also really passionate about putting cameras in the hands of other people in their own communities and allowing them to kind of tell their own stories and document their lives. So I worked in, in South Africa and Australia, doing some of that work and came back here with my family. I learned more about our community I was aware of it from just growing up and, you know, aware of it in some capacity but learn a lot more about like the current. And then offering through Christopher, I'll be doing some like assisting and helping with the documentary lab. And I was really excited just about all of the resources that you all have and they can offer for community and especially like teaching media making and all the amazing equipment and things that you offer so I was excited to learn more. Thank you so much. Christopher, here's my, I'm one of the co directors here. And yeah, I'm kind of the community outreach person and I do a lot of the media arts education stuff and collaboration collaborations with other entities, such as Chad's group and yeah. And summer programs and things like that. Yeah. So my name is Carlos Diaz I, I've been involved with work us is about the report to me out today and I work here for a while. And I'm a cinematographer that's what I was, and I'm right now I run a film program and they can work. Barry, I'm not texting Terry for the program. And that's what I do right now, which I love teaching filmmaking. That's kind of one of the wings, one of the things that I like, I used to do with work a lot was bringing other people and gave workshop with seven cars. And I think Robles, my graphic designer. I became aware with Orca, because I'm going to be CFA. I saw the science and I always wonder what it was. A friend of mine that lives around here, she told me and I was like, wow, I didn't know that. And then same friend recommended me this year to you know, she explained me more about it and I'm really interested. It's a very curious about how it works and so I'm about to graduate these July. And well, my MFA is in graphic design. I don't consider myself a cinematographer but I've been doing a lot of video editing, especially for my thesis. So it's a subject that I'm really, really interested in. And also, I've been in Vermont for seven or eight years. And I still feel like I want to be part of the community. So that's another reason I am curious about this. So I've been on, I'm one of the co-directors. I do the, I was part of, I do content management and so I'm more interested in the admin part. So not so much of the equipment and the filming, but I'm into systems. So I think that's a nice way to try to figure out how, if we put in some systems, how we could expand our reach and try to make it a little bit more equitable and accessible to everyone. So I think that's what I enjoy doing and I like looking at numbers and data. So the web part is also what I do. So for me, my turn, my turn. Hi, I'm Pat McDonald. I'm interested, as you know, in joining the board. I've been involved with orca. Many years I've actually done a show vote for Vermont for about seven now. And before that I was on a regular on Bill Doyle show, as we all know. And, but also testified Rob asked me a couple of times to testify on behalf of orca when there was usually a discussion of funding. And we'd have a meeting and I would, I testify in favor of funding orca. When I show vote for Vermont, I was doing it by myself for a while. Orca actually approached me. I had run for, I was in the legislature for two sessions and in the house and ran for the Senate. And I did some, some ads and commercials. And they liked what they saw me gabbing on the, I do gabbing well, gabbing on the video. And they approached me and said, maybe I could do a show on a regular basis. So I did. And then I joined with campaign for Vermont, Ben Kinsley, because we were pretty much covering all the same things with the legislature and issues that were happening around town. So Ben Kinsley and I were doing the show for quite a while. We're still doing it. We took a little hiatus. We have, we have actually two shows you run both of them. One is both for Vermont. And the other is called bantering beans where Ben and I just talked back and forth, talk about legislation, talk about issues that are happening. And it's just bantering back and forth and drinking coffee. And we're going to start doing a blog very soon. But I, I'm very impressed with the staff. I know the staff. Well, right, Jim. We have a fun time and they're a great staff. I think I'm one of the people that calls the most I do a little bit of editing. I'm always asking for something to be edited. But you have such an opportunity. All of the public access TV stations have such an opportunity to be involved with the community and to let them know what you can offer for them that I'd like to be part of that. Because I think there's so much that can be done to, to get them doing things to help with their employees, perhaps the education things that they could do. And you talked about getting out in the community. I do, I hire some photographers from Orca. And I do a lot of like capstone agency with Sue Minter. We've just done that. I've done Washington County mental health. And we just go and videotape people where they live and work. I also just so you know, I do a talk show for WDV. That's an actual employment at my age. I do a talk show on Tuesday and Thursday mornings from nine to 11 and that I love a lot. So that's what I've been doing. But I'd love to help. And anyway, I can been around a long time 20 years in state government and 25 years in public and private sector. So you add that up. I'm, I'm pushing the age limit, I'm sure, but that diversifies the committee. You have young people and you can, I can balance it out on the other side. But I've been around a while. I know a lot of people in the state and particularly in this central remote and would love to help. So I'll answer any questions anybody wants. Thanks back. Thanks back. Should we go back to live. Oh yeah, that makes sense. Yeah, that makes sense. Okay. Hi everyone. I'm painting con. I'm Turkish American moved to Montpelier six years ago. I live in Montpelier but now I'm in Florida. It's supposed to be returning, but our flight was canceled. So we will have one more night here and hopefully tomorrow night I will be at home. I am very happy being here. Thank you for inviting me to be part of this team. I don't know that much about media. When I was in Turkey, I was on a couple TV shows because of my job. But that's all. So I'm excited to learn from you and contribute and help or cause mission and help our community. And as some of you mentioned representation is very important. That's why last election I ran for the city council. And I'm the city councilor, and I represent a district to Montpelier residents. My day job is leadership education. I work at Norwich University. I'm the director of leadership center and also chair of the leadership program. And leadership is my passion and I'm very happy that after moving here, I was able to find some job so I can continue to follow my passion. And I just signed my first book contract and next year in November 2024. My first book will come out. It's about leadership lessons from Pirates of Caribbean series. So we are two authors. I'm the main author. And it will be so fun. So maybe that's the, that's the connection me and media through Pirates of Caribbean. So thank you again. I'm very happy being here with you. And CJ's just gone from being remote in person. Virtual and real, she's right. So hi everybody, CJ Stumpf. I'm Orcus relatively new treasurer. Pat. Nice to see you. I thank you. And I think I saw you in the legislature when we were working on the with Paul Haskell and remote features. Oh, yes. Yep. Right. For rural broadband. Nice to see you. It's kind of working with you. I'm from rural part of East Randolph, which is very rural. What the cows and people were from the conservative gun owning part of the state. And so I think it's sort of as we as in some sort of constantly carpeting because whether or not I feel that way my neighbors do so I'm the one that keeps saying, Hey, what about the conservative voices. I think they feel welcome. My background is Mathematics and Smith engineering at Dartmouth and Stanford. I'm on a couple of boards including EC fibers board and where I'm sort of the financial business spreadsheet person and therefore considered a real PIA. And I think the projects really could go to Vermont and they're like, just skip that fact that it's not a good for the state, you know, for money and I'm like, but so anyways, I love the orca project. I'm really optimistic about what it means for lots of different constituents in Vermont from the youth to the small businesses where we can bring access to resources that a small business normally can't afford. And make the state more attractive. I was just reading the vpr 2022 survey of viewpoints in Vermont to get ready for tonight's meeting because I thought it would be helpful to say, Hey, here's what vpr pound and surveying viewpoints around the state on everything from this at a good place for young people that were off and start a career to how satisfied are you with your broadband can't less so than, you know, that a few years ago, even though more people have high speed internet. And remind me which committees were you on. I was on house gobs. I was on education for a while, but then house gobs, which is which was made sense, since I work for state governments. Yeah, it was very cool and pale and very good congratulations on your book contract that's very neat. So, thank you and I will do like teenagers. Hard to Hey, I was gonna say how about I could give my elevator pitch for like what Orca media is to because I think that oftentimes it is a little bit cumbersome and even grab her head around since it's as a, you know, community media public access TV has a long history and it's odd in the nonprofit world so this is what I usually tell people when they're like what the heck is Orca media right and so Orca media is one of 24 community media centers in Vermont, also known as peg TV, which is public education and government access TV organizations. All of these organizations are funded almost entirely by cable subscribers so this goes back to like the 70s when basically people in America were like, Hey, cable companies are laying cable lines across public lands and past our houses, we should have access to cable TV and the Supreme Court at the time was like that's a good idea. And they that's for that's the very like truncated version. So anyway, so that's where public access TV emerges. And so if you have in our case in our area were funded by Comcast subscribers so if you live in our area and the 13 sounds, you'd see a little line on your bill that says public access TV and that would be funding our annual budget right. So, after that really that it's kind of like open ended what they do right so like some of them work directly with municipalities and select boards. Oftentimes, there's some agreement between the town and school boards to cover regularly cover meetings. In most cases they have at the same time services and resources that are available to the public. In our case we have this lovely studio that is free to use to individuals and nonprofits and for non commercial uses, more or less. And, you know, all of these organizations that kind of operate uniquely but similarly. We also have cameras available for the public we have a service where anybody in the community can request coverage for an event so if they're having a public meeting for their board just like ours and they really want a camera there and they want to broadcast it they can call us or if they're having a concert or a protest or something they can fill out a form online or call us and we can show with the camera. Yeah, so that's the same thing. Oh, we also operate I guess and manage three channels on Comcast so that's the heart of the organization is television still is that we operate a public and organization and government access three different channels on Comcast that you would only see if you were within the 13 tons. So that's the kind of exciting thing. So then we're also part of a network called Vermont Access Network, which is more of a advocacy nonprofit that kind of advocates for all 24 organizations at the state level, and is also kind of interested in like uniting us, you know, and, and all that fun stuff. Training worldwide. Yeah, so we also offer like, you know, so on top of it, we've all kind of mentioned the exciting part of like education and young people coming in which has been happening a lot more in the last couple years. You know, so we work with schools. We do partnerships and training opportunities. So Michael's brought his students in here before Carlos has brought his students in here before we run our own summer programs, and then we also just if somebody called and said hey I have an idea for just kind of like a, you know, not necessarily a regular show we just have one thing I need to borrow camera. Yeah, I think we talked about that over the phone right so it's like I just need a borrow camera and just learn how to use something really simple we wouldn't help you out you know we offer a couple hours a week to train people and edit software or using basic TV cameras. Yeah. So that's always exciting. I think the cool part about that about that part of giving people access to computers and the software which is not free right if you were to operate and you have to pay a monthly fee to come here and edit here. You don't understand how to do something particular instead of browsing through the Internet you could ask the people right there's always people here to help you which is super fun. We have three full timers and 10 to 12 part timers and a handful of part timers are usually here editing and so there's plenty of people to help out people even when it's like their first time here so yeah, that's always exciting. That's exciting happening. And we get more quarterly checks from podcast that keep us afloat and we know that cable revenue is, I would say drying up but people are certainly cutting the cord and moving this, you know, all the streaming services out there. So we're always, always thinking about the eventuality that we're going to need to create funding streams and part of that has been working with the legislature and we van is shepherded that through and been successful and sort of beginning thinking about, you know, life beyond being attached to the cable bill. My favorite topic streaming revenues. And yeah, and also just the 13 channels but also we're on the web and live streaming graduations and catch it, you know, if there's a select board meeting you miss you can go back and say oh that issue that topic whatever was our funding or something. We're on sick touch now too. We're like dipping our toe into, you know, I'm still a camera and I'm like. Why the opportunity for Vermont small businesses which you know Vermont is not a state known for tons of young people it's a state known for tons of older people. There's a lot of innovation, particularly in the rural areas but very little technology expertise so access to it and this is why as I'm looking at the work and media mission 2023, which I love I would just add in addition to the local communities and government I would add, I would specifically add business so the small business because without them young people don't say any of them on, you know, the pbs, or BPR rather surveys showed that in general Vermont is not considered a good place to grow up and start a career, and that needs to change. And I guess we could also mention that we're in the kind of entering somewhat middle of a strategic planning project which we're working with the consultant Nathan Suter in my career I don't know if anyone is aware of him but and he's been really great and so a lot of things are kind of like still in flux as far as you know a new mission statement kind of like what is our five to 10 year plan look like what are some of the things that we articulate as our goals and objectives over the next couple years. So that fun stuff is coming. And it's also new to working media, as far as we know working media is never really, you know, had a reflexive moment where they're like where we as an organization have done a strategic planning project. I think there was a star. Maybe 2012 or so. I don't know the gentleman's name who came in but there was a beginning out. And science and they're all right. Yeah. Well, I think there's space right now talking about this moment in the future. I think this is a good part of the board because there's a lot of work going in that direction direction in terms of what is what is what is the future of five and 10 years going to look for now and I think a lot of things are going to change in these next few years that revenue sources kind of all those things. Yeah, and I think I'm wondering that governor's press conferences through cove it. I think we need a lot more people heard our name and awareness of us increased and and it's, it's something, something to grow from. We also spoke a little earlier moving to the sociopratic model, which is less hierarchical less of a sort of a CEO model. We have a co directors model, and that actually requires. I think board engagement to kick up a notch or two. So, we used to meet monthly and that was ages ago we now meet every other month. If you're interested in being on the board some very basic things are your availability at 630 on the fourth Tuesday of every other month right now so be the June to the August so that you can count it out. We really do RSVP that you'll make it so we know we have a quorum. We, I think we've only once shown up without a quorum and had people leave, and that's no fun, and it's only happened once but just just being able to be responsive on email and or text, you get an email reminder. And then I would go for with the board packet with a request RSVP, and then I text the day or do before so just like just the basic functionality of what's hopefully required. And then, again, we've got help me remember the three policies policy circle pack facilities facilities and outreach. Okay, so we've, we've already done some more kind of building those and again I understand. And again, you would maybe the language of committees maybe more comfortable but under under a sociocratic model I use the language of circles, which is there's a sense of overlap where board and staff are on these together. But that's, and then, you know, decisions get shaped and then brought to the meeting like this one, but we hope to get more functional in the off months so I don't know what kind of a time commitment is it. Yeah, I think we said as a board member with the circles, the circle work right so this is kind of a new thing that's come out of transitioning from having one executive director to having three co directors is. Having these like areas of like ad hoc committees right but like, since you know so it's like Jin's world is content and administrative, more or less it's like we kind of all overlap but so the gym is leading the policy circle, you know, since my world has been education stuff it's like I'm leading the outreach circle and Zach's world has been production and and kind of the physical space the equipment so he's leading the facilities circle so it makes sense for like what are we do as the three co directors and then it's kind of like having folks from the board to join the circles. You don't need to be an expert on cameras to join the facility circle but it's you know it's just kind of like adding insight from you know whatever background you have. That's, and it's kind of been just getting started to I'd say. So, like, for example, with the outreach circle I can speak to, we, you know, are talking about never mind documentary lab we're talking about the Green Mountain Film Festival which we've recently become the parent of after they were in hiatus. Due to COVID and kind of disbanded their board and then we took them over. You know we're talking about connecting with schools, school residencies school partnerships policy circle. What are you looking at HR. We're looking at revamping our employee handbooks and policies and procedures and trying to get them a little bit more universal and just up to date I don't think they've been updated since 2013. So I think in some, you know, it's been because the organization was smaller it was a little bit more just people talking and so it's like you know I don't know that we spent a lot of time talking about policies and what's fair and what's you know what we want to present and how we view our employees and how. And so I think we're that's what the policy circles looking toward doing this year I think just kind of formalizing some stuff that's just probably been talked about. And then I think, and that's not here since the facility so facilities I think with these the FA selling that you know one of the things that he's been looking at is are there other spaces we could go to what, you know, and he's, if we are going to stay here do, especially for trying to make some community outreach and trying to make, you know, can we make the studio more enticing we started talking about a podcast studio or like converting some area to be very quiet. And so I think it's, you know, like the things that are happening in the media world and how, you know, do we have the equipment to kind of embrace that so when Christopher talks about tick tock and it's like, you know, that's like, oh, okay, well what kind of things do you need something that's bigger so hopefully I think the circles notion came out that we work has got very distinct like categories and we're hoping to just pull in the expertise and the knowledge and the outside view of the board members into these circles so it would be more like, a smaller like working team type before coming to the big, you know, this is our idea before coming to the big overall board meeting. So we're hoping to make it a little bit so you could really kind of get a lot of stuff done in the smaller team, like circles, and then come to the board if there needed to be so I think that's kind of what we were hoping for and it is, you know, I think with the, with the co-directorship that's where we came up with the idea of the circle so it is very new. Right and I think we're just at the one year anniversary of the co-director model aren't we? Exactly. With the physical year turning until I first. And then we had a three month review and then it's been all systems go. Yeah. So, at the anniversary. Yeah, wow. Those, when I was speaking of off month, the language of ad hoc and like it would be for a purpose. Yeah. Answer this question, figure out this shape this issue that actually staff would drive directors, co-directors would drive so it wouldn't be every circle meets every month but targeted. So I think also it's, you know, the ideas that would make more efficient full board meetings that are not as long, you know, so it's like there's a lot of benefits that are universal to other boards too. It's a model that other nonprofits are experimenting with. Are they failing in the chat there? Sorry, I don't want to interrupt. I just throw that I need to leave 720. I'll be here to meet all of you and just listen because of my like arrangements I'm at a hotel and everything so my family is waiting to have dinner as a mom. So I just want to make sure to tell you beforehand so that's all sorry. Yeah, thanks. Thanks for making it work for you on your end and safe travels tomorrow. And we'll try to, we'll try to get some peaks of sunshine in for you, but you're not, you're not, you haven't missed the weather. You promised me though I'm coming tomorrow if I cannot find any sunshine. So eventually here actually it's been quite, it's been, we've been talking about songs earlier. It's been a bit of a song only like. Now we've got to sort of get ourselves back to the boring stuff and do our little agenda here. So we, I think we, we just made public comment is traditionally after call the lawyer and I neglected to grab that but I members of the public are welcome to speak, suggest question. That's always our lead. So, the floor is open for any member of the public to share anything with the board. And I don't know if anyone letters anything come through on the time. No, okay. Now that they've heard all of the different fieldings is, I wonder, I'm curious if anyone has any questions. If that makes sense. Yeah, yeah, any of our visitors. Yeah, so public comment can be inclusive of just what you've heard us all describe Orca as being and if any of those descriptions led to questions. It's kind of a, it's an open floor piece so shaping it, shaping it to the specifics of this evening, it makes sense. Or where we just nail it so well that no one has any questions that we can approve the minutes of April 25 and it really gets to the fun stuff. So, open floor. Yes, we did okay. No one got scared off and no one got confused. Is that true. That's true. Great. All right. So that'll move us to agenda item number four. And that is approval of the minutes of April 25 2023, which, thank you, and it's been provided. We also just give you a sense of the rhythm of the board meeting as well. We generally go quiet for a couple minutes and everyone just reads through looks for typos looks for incomplete thoughts or just, just, we all take a minute, and review our last. So, do our very best not to turn this into a discussion of the items on this. If something is unfinished. We say that role of business this is purely just do the minutes accurately reflect what occurred on the 25th. Just point of clarification. What we're actually doing here. So, we'll go quiet and people know errors or needed fixes. Oh, this is actually, this is actually, is this Chad your first. So, thank you for picking up the same. This is not an easy thing. Especially to have a db. Oh my God. On the financial support section see I think we decided that we need a vote and decided my role was needed, which might be helpful to have an instance we did something. Some good news but I do when we have a minute I don't I don't know how to change or what am I supposed to do and when there's supposed to propose changes. I can give you access to the drafts, the draft minutes, and then you can just maybe make changes to it. So, do you have access to the board, people drive in there. Let's see, sorry. Bye everyone see you next time. Thank you. Thank you. Just moved somewhere else in there too. Maybe this is my day. This is very clean. I didn't move it into an outline format it's the only way I can think. I really like the outline format. Yeah, I don't know what it means. No, about C. See about the. Oh, yeah. We'd like to discuss a couple of times and then like came to a decision later. Yeah, it was, we discussed this area here. The COVID budget over and etc. And then the board decided there was no room needed. Because that was a big old discussion. And at the moment I think we have a three signature financial. The tuition proceeds to go to two, but that's okay right now it's nice to have lots of signatures needed to move on. The only other thing I had was our discussion to try to make sure conservative and liberal viewpoints. We're recommended as well as geographic five. We need to discuss. So this is kind of covered in here. Oh, I'm sorry. I'm on co-director report and such and see. My only reason for coming back and saying we include these specific parts as well as because we included in these specific parts. And so otherwise it looks less balanced to the conservative minority. See, help me understand what you're doing. The first one is under financial reports. Okay, so what's going on there? What's your objection to it? It's not an objection. I think these are fantastic minutes. It's just to add in an additional thing from my own notes, which is the board discussed the recommendations on laddering, etc. So do we need to make a motion and they decided no motion was needed. Okay. And then the other thing was just in our discussion about. I would think the lack of there being a motion would just say that, but. For some reason you want a level of specificity there. Yeah, it was just part of the discussion spent quite a long time on it. If you, if you are going to have minutes that include only emotions, then that's what kind of minutes if you're going to. So under COVID budget overage by using laddered CDs money market account with staggered magic iteration dates. So before secondly, there would be language. And you would say board decided no board approval needed. Yeah. Well done. I just had to change. And then the other one. The other one was just on section five. And I love the other four to our minutes this way because it makes it so easy. So I'm just saying that you've done it this way I really think it's great. We, we have a general thing this is ensure all viewpoints continue to be represented. And, but I believe also mentioned LGBTQ plus and BIPOC and geographic and we had discussed also conservative and liberal. There's demographics and then this ideology. Right. So conservative and liberal are, are two very kind of polarized terms anarcho syndicalist fascist like I mean to name just two ideological viewpoints that are, you know, definition gets, I think nonpartisan does it. I mean, then we can really get into the weeds if we name two political points of view on a spectrum. Right. You know what I mean. But the reason for mentioning is if we're going to include our BIPOC and LGBTQ plus which are demographic groups. Yes. Yeah, I say versus I'd able ideological and if you name two ideologies that are, I just, and I feel like that point has been something you, you hammered home a lot and right. I'm the rural, and I'm trying to bring my awareness, even though I may not go to, you know, I mean, but what I try to do is listen to all of my neighbors. And so that I try to bring that perspective and so what I'm trying to avoid it's a perception that or that is unfriendly to, for example, the pro gun rural community. I mean, I think we did. Yeah, we did talk about that. Well geography is already there. Yeah, I think that's because this is specific to the discussion regarding diversity of candidate recruitment. So we did agree that we in the advertising for candidates. We didn't want to mention political affiliation because that's not something that we consideration when recruiting candidates. Yeah, yeah. So I don't, I don't, I don't think adding that now. Yeah, no. And again, part of what I'm trying to do is work and what are going to be available to everybody and to feel like we want everybody to feel like they're welcome in Orca. And I am simply reflecting back because I live in a rural area and that my rural neighbors don't read this as their welcome. I don't think I'm going to do this as my, you know, my gay and trans rural neighbors are wrong. But maybe by gun owning neighbors, which is the theory of, you know, Vermont has both Bernie Sanders and the second highest rate of gun ownership in the country but it's primarily rural. I think adding rules front and if you have another way of, you could say, like the people in where you're living without saying conservative or liberal because I think that's not something that we, you know, when we hire people we don't ask their conservative or liberal when we recruit candidates we don't ask. It's an uncomfortable place to be because we're a non partisan organization start naming specific ideologies that we want to show that we're courting. It gets that gets really uncomfortable in terms of our mission. I agree. I agree. What I was looking at is, if is, and I feel like we're kind of rehabbing the conversation we had last time and that's not what approval of the minutes is about. It's not, but the, and you're right we've had that conversation and we took it out of the minutes because it seems political. Well was never in the minutes, or you're right, it didn't go into the minutes because it's political. I think the comfort with us being a non partisan organization that doesn't like name specific groups or viewpoints that we're trying to or is is the danger point. Yeah, yeah. No, I am. I am just trying to bring a point of view. You know it's not real comfortable for me my family is very very far to the left the whole thing I have. I have college professors virtually every single one of my five brothers and sisters, and my mother is a college professor at a liberal university. I'm not super psyched to come in here and say hey I got going on a gun only neighbors that vote for you know the Republican candidates, but I do. Well, I think adding rule is okay I mean if that's you feel like that's missing, but I do. I think that like, maybe reiterating that you know work as a non partisan is also important in hiring or recruiting I mean like so that that's not even really. You know, I think that maybe rule is missing. Yeah, maybe we could add the word rule after geographic geographic is speaking to the 13 towns. And then I think rule is this valuable. Yeah, because I mean there's people that live in rural Berlin. There's, you know, there's, there's people that live in rural brand up, you know, yeah, maybe it's not appropriate to put into the discussion, as Michael said. Yeah, and you can I mean, continue I do know, I do know the co directors do a really good job of watching the line they've had, they've had people really strongly advocating for us to get a specific journalist to do specific things and you know, turn up the volume on certain new points right. That's not what we are. Yeah. So, so sorry. I think geography explains it for me is kind of, you know, the ideology is not important for what we're seeking here but I think it to listen there, how about if, you know, we added to geography added just are already tired. Sure. Absolutely. I think that everybody Yeah, it's just, it's just, you know, having having sort of demographic red is is super important. And we get in trouble when we start doing the treating ideology like a demographic and they're you know they're, they're our conservative people they're our conservative people of color and that you know those those those are purely demographic terms. Yeah. So that's I it's such an important line to keep clean for an organization like in that case that we want to remove our, our thing and just say, you know, all of our geography, nonpartisan, ensure all the points that you need to be represented. I always only react to the conclusion of an inclusion of a couple of some groups that I agree. So I will say though that this is something that was specific to the the advertising that's already gone out in the world. Yeah, so I mean, we can change it in the minutes from the last meeting but I mean that this is what's already been published on from first form and what we agreed upon in the criteria. So that's, yeah. Yeah. Well, you know, my, all I wanted to do was, was bring it up as something we had discussed and find out what, you know, what if anything, we wanted to do it. But I'm perfectly happy to leave it out. But I did feel an obligation to bring it up. Okay, I but just the terms by pocket and LTV, yeah, which were the triggers for you. Those, those are, those are like demographic groups as opposed to ideological they may, they may function in the political world. But there, I don't assume everyone who's by pockets is a liberal or you know what I mean that's, that's the concern that's the concern. I am not the line between demographics and ideology is for what I just told you, like you get that those are not. Yeah. Ideological terms. Yeah, I mean, I don't think we ever. That's just something that I don't know. I mean, if when you read like, I, what I was doing when I wrote this with I was mimicking like what you'd see in job at, you know, you wouldn't see. We want to, you know, we're, we're absolutely accepting of the Democratic Party membership, you know, like, that's just not something. I think it's part of the practice of the DPI work that you're supposed to do with a job posting now is to include that sort of thing is because someone may not feel like as welcome to apply. And it has been shown to have more of a diversity of applicants, whereas, you know, I don't need to say, you know, hey, you know, if you have a gun, you can still apply for this job. Hey, if you're old, you know, old white guy, you can still apply. Right. You weren't like born with a gun. I mean, that's like a whole other discussion. But like, that's, you know, I mean, yeah, I mean, so yeah. Right. So I think, I think that that I value your perspective and I think that that's something that you could definitely ask like the ongoing first, I think that this was like, you know, I was reporting on the post. Right. That was already made. So, right. But I think going forward, I think rules valuable. I mean, like when I think of rural Vermont as an organization. I mean, I do think that they're somewhat progressive, but I also think that they represent the farming community, the agrarian community, and that is going to definitely include some conservative voices, right. Like, and there you go. Variety of like a big diagram of beliefs that, you know, you might not associate with what you consider liberal or conservative, you know, it's your right. Yeah, people that are in rural. Yeah. It's ag. There's a lot of people who work in the trades. Yeah. And they tend to be more conservative. And it's, you know, I've just because they're my neighbors because I run into them in my local stores and bars. I'm just bringing their viewpoint over and saying, they may not feel as welcome as we might want them to feel. Yeah, they're by all means welcome to come in here, you know, and everybody. But, but I also know that when they read the minutes and they see that they're like, oh, that's for people who are these demographics, not for us. And so I'm just that is why I keep saying, Hey, it's not I am relaying the few points of some of my neighbors. And that's all. And especially for outreach and messaging for our communication to the public. Maybe we could put that in the outreach circle. All my family is hardcore right wingers. So I can understand. I know what you're saying. Yeah. And I mean, there'd be points. There would be different bars, but they're totally states. Yeah. Are there any other amendments fixes typos that people see. Number seven. Section seven. A. Designs or forms that are going. Right. Is that correct. I think that was supposed to be born there. Okay. Take more catches like that or a motion to accept the minutes with the two fixes. Okay. Okay. Okay. So that was our motion to accept the minutes with the two. Fixes. Second. Has moved to accept the April 25. Minutes. With two fixes. And Carlos is seconded. And I will. All the question. Okay. Okay. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you for saying hi. Hi. And a post. And that's unanimous. All right. Thank you all. We're moving on to financial reports. And that's probably somewhere between CJ and Jim. And I've got, I don't know. I got a lead with my follow-up from the last meeting. Our last meeting we discussed the. We had a hundred, I believe it at the time it was 125, but it's actually 135. We transferred. That my understanding was I needed to sign two documents. Stephanie mail me a couple of weeks after the meeting say, Hey, these documents are waiting for you in Randolph. And it was the first I'd heard of them. I think you may have sent, I think you may have used the bad email address, but the orange Southwest went from three blocks ago. So I got this thing. I was like, what? So I sent back and said, first I'm hearing of this. And then she went quiet for like a week. And then she popped up. She may have been on vacation or something. But I ended up talking to Mark. So he explained that the latter CD thing. Was just a matter of gin moving the money. From savings to checking and community. And Edward Jones has a pre-built pipeline from checking. So we've got a three month, a six month, a nine month and a 12 month CD. And they're all in the high. They're on the low fives was one in the high. The Senate's for when I get my report. Okay, great. And then there's also the money. The second piece was guided solutions. And I was under the understanding we would have to move all of our money over. No, the American fund remains. And as we decide to green up and clean up our. Portfolio moving out of American funds in the guided solutions makes more sense, but we don't have to shuffle everything over. And that's the impression I was under. So our original fund family would remain. But as Mark may identify things that are like week performers. That. And he said there's no reason to like. Do the paperwork to make it happen because it expires in 60 days. We're heading into summer. We don't actually know what we're moving yet. So he was just like. Hold the trigger when you're ready to pull the trigger, but it's, it's in our back pocket. So it wasn't, it wasn't an all or nothing. We're leaving American funds. That was helpful clarity for me. And that's where we stand now. So. And you can tell us some gaps. Okay. So I'm going to jump in then. Our former treasure, Mike, the whale. Brought us into Edward Jones to the fire. Edward Jones advisor, who did a very, very good job. And I think we, we, you know, so they did, they did excellent work. And. He was very neutral. He was very oriented towards just, you know, making money. And so we were able to do that. And he was very kind to us. And I think that was a good response to the orphan media funds. With, I just wanted to acknowledge Mike, oil and ice. Talk. He sends us greetings and said he could not be here tonight. Our fast manager. But. Since Edward Jones moved to standardized reporting. In 2009. So for 15 years now. The average rate of return on Orca's investments. you know, like Mike Doyle, well done, it's left us in a really good financial position where the primary goal is conservative investments to provide a cushion in the case of a sudden interruption, which is we, Mike Doyle and I spoke today and we think that very unlikely in that there's not, it's becoming apparent that there's not a sudden transition to streaming revenue, but rather a gradual transition that is slower than anticipated. And the timing of Vans very good advocacy to begin to bring in a revenue stream from streaming, and I'm really looking forward to the update from that policy circle, looks as if we're not going to necessarily need to jump on the three quarters of operating revenue that has been trying to accumulate in the Edward Jones accounts. That said, on April 15th, Tax Day, I and Mike Doyle had an extensive meeting with Edward Jones with Mark Gwynne, and came out of that with a recommendation to the board as Mike Abadi just mentioned of doing laddered CDs. And then there was some misunderstanding about the need for signatures. He never, they never communicated that to me. So I Yeah, it ended up they didn't need the signatures anyways. It was really, it was a anyways, we're on the other side. They need the signatures anyways. And having talked with Mark today, I think that we're having some communications issues there because I'm sitting there in Albany, New York in the state capital, trying to get Edward Jones office there to let me sign those documents because this is today. No, this was I was out of state over a month. So Mark Gwynne is supposed to call me back and we'll talk tomorrow to try to make sure that those gaps in the communication. Got it. They did not happen with Mike Doyle on the previous person. So we'll just get that sorted out. Okay. Because the transfer to the laddered stuff didn't happen and we didn't call them. And with interest rates of 5.3%. And Jin, that was very helpful. So Jin and I were messaging today and Jin, the interest rate that we were getting on the 135k was 0.05% and Jin just nailed it. She was like, she just came right back. And I just want to say it's I like working with you. We seem to get along really well and your, your command of what's there and things like that. You know, Jin is doing a really good job from your side in managing that this has to work and it's a pleasure to work with you. In any case, that means just for an example, the additional return on investment of that 135k with the laddered CV that we just moved in to is over $6,500 annual. Now, we went into three month CDs and I just pulled the interest rates on bonds for the next six months a year, two years and then going to five years. And the reason this is important is when I talked with Jin, you had met with your co-directors to find out what you might want to do with a one-time win. And that included things like, you know, the need for new lights, controllable lights for the studio for like three grand it was. This money, you know, once we've hit our three quarters of operating revenue, this money can suddenly take unbudgeted expenses and help out. So anyway, so that's on the positive side. Now that it's invested, it went into four laddered CVs plus the money market account and the money market is a 5%, 5.01 today, 70 yields 5%. The effective rates of the four CVs, one of them went in with an upfront discount, which we don't need to worry about, the others were full value and then applied interest rate, but they are on average all at 5.3%. So of that 155k, our average rate is about 5.2% rate of return. And, you know, that's going to vary a little bit with the money market very stately, but $6,750 or about $6,500 is the added return now that that money is working in a very, very cell vehicle. The recommendation for Mark Gwynn is to, as those mature, is we are in a financial marketplace or an interest rate marketplace where interest rates have already obviously been increasing really rapidly. That is expected to start to plateau later this year. They're expecting maybe one or two more bumps and then it shouldn't plateau and possibly descend personally. I'm not so sure about that, but it may be a good time to, instead of being in CVs, we suggest it considering bonds because if the interest rates do decrease, purchasing bonds near an interest rate peak means that the price of the value of the bonds, in addition to producing that interest rate, as interest rates decrease, bonds purchased when interest rates are high increase in value. Because as interest rates decrease, the bonds that are yielding higher have become more valuable. They begin to trade at a premium to their purchase price. Does that make sense to everybody? So, if the board has no opposition to that, we'll look at making an order to shift money coming at either, you know, to look at shifting some of the assets into bonds. Before I move on, anybody want to say gang name? You're crazy. That's a good idea. Well, this is all based on interest rate changes. This is all future conversation. It's not very future and far because the first CB will make sure in a couple of months. And the second reason it's not necessarily is the money that's currently all in American bonds groups can also be shifted if we can find bond funds in the American bonds group family. We would have much more free to operate if we were in the guidance, but we still can operate inside. So it's not as clean as that. You know, Michael was working with a prior EJ person to try to manage the money. And because I knew, trying to stay much more in lockstep than Mike did because we're just learning to work together, but these are the things that I'm personally looking at to try to be physically responsible and, you know, I also educate the board. Yeah. Well, with the first ladder that three months are coming due, I would think the first thing would be to ask the co-directors, do we have a need? Like, I know you guys have a wish list. So if interest rates collapse, there's, you know, there's that. There's the actual right. So I would not want to make decisions about each of the ladders coming due as they come due with all the variables. Well, the reason I talked to Mike, well, today, just because he's better doesn't mean he was he was part of the founding team for Orca. Right. Then part of the reason I work with Mike so closely is I came in what like eight or, you know, eight years and how many years ago, I'm one of the older board numbers, but Mike has done Orca since the very beginning, since it was created, he's got the history. And so today, I said, based on what you've seen, Mike, you know, when I got here, there was a current concern about a sudden collapse in cable revenues as people shifted over to streaming in public order. And we now have pretty solid evidence that that sudden transition into streaming is not actually happening. It's a more challenging transition. And rather than a sudden drop in cable revenues with a concurrent increase in streaming revenues, it's more like streaming revenues are increasing and cable revenues are decreasing very slowly. Would you all concur with that? Yeah, I mean, our checks are gradually going down. So I mean, we're still seeing we're seeing a steady decrease. I don't know what maybe thought it would be fine with 10 years ago, but, you know, yeah, I mean, there's yeah, I think we definitely I mean, it seemed like it was kind of plateauing. So there was maybe a little bit of hope that maybe it wasn't so bad. But I think in the last two checks, it's definitely we're seeing it. And I think with our budget as even when we're putting together the budget for this year, it was one of the things that we, you know, we couldn't budget as much in there. And we definitely had to try to figure out how can we get more money or like trying to figure out how we can do the budget and we were cutting down on stuff so that the amount that we were getting from Comcast because it was less. And it's still like even with that budget amount, we're still like the check is still coming a couple thousand like runners. So it definitely I mean, it's definitely not anything drastic. I think I don't know what when the first step of cutting the cord and every, you know, if that was presented as a little bit more drastic, but it definitely is it's happening. I don't know that that it's going to happen that people will be doing. My point is when I became when I first got involved and John and Rob brought me in. And John was another one of the founding members, John Block. There was a real concern that we were going to see a drastic reduction. And so to go back to what you were explaining about how Oracle works, 5% of cable entertainment revenues. It's not all cable company revenues. It is the cable like HBO backs package revenues. That specific revenue pool going to cable companies is the one that is, if you will tax and 5% of that goes to the tag, you know, Oracle media type groups that revenue. So although cable company revenues continue to go up with more and more internet income, the portion of cable company revenues going to the entertainment packages is decreasing as people cut the cord. The cable companies have stemmed that largely put their finger on the die by tying together two or three different packages. And so people, they make it just about as expensive to get internet only as it is to get internet plus your entertainment package. However, we're seeing this increase in streaming revenues with a slow decline in the package revenues as people go to other, as people go to other forms of internet access and say, well, screw your cable companies, keep your internet and your package deal on going to PC fiber or whatever. So the underlying technology shift that's happening is more of a shift to other forms of high speed internet, whether it's wireless, whether it's pure fiber, as opposed to cable, which is a different technology. And then meanwhile, Vans initiative at last to get the streaming revenues is going to do a successful fix the decreasing cable revenues. But the main thing as your treasurer is to look at what window of investments can I work with Edward Jones to make to optimize the return on investment? What is a fairly sizable chunk of money? Our three quarters of operating revenue are over $300,000 and that can return a good amount of whatever interest rates are returned. So my job is to keep the money safe, appropriate to the mission of the company, but optimize the rate of return within those parameters. So like right now, we changed the way that the cash is invested. And now we're looking at a guaranteed additional $6,500 over the point zero zero five, because now we're at five point three. The very conservative three-month iterations was based on the most disastrous scenario possible, which is you all need $300,000 tomorrow or quarterly. But that is not reflecting the reality we're living in. The reality we're living in is that the cable revenues are declining slowly. So since the projection is that these 5.3% interest rates on CDs are not expected to last, and we're already seeing the market anticipate a decline by making five-year CDs, which normally would be worth more, actually yields less. I wanted to bring to the board the fact that we're not seeing a sudden need for three quarters of the revenue. We're seeing a sudden need for possibly a 10% you know, makeup. And the other thing to consider is that the three quarters worth of revenue in the funds accounts is liquid. It can be liquidated at no cost to us. So you don't necessarily need the money on the CDs when you can immediately get the money in the funds. And the only thing that you keep or give up is if you liquidate your funds at a down point in the market, then you know, essentially you're giving up potential upside. So far, you guys have been doing a good job of projecting and managing. And I'm not expecting that to suddenly change, I'm happy to say. So that's the reason for my saying to the board after having now been in this job for long enough to start feel like I'm starting to get a sense from my coil, starting to get a sense of this kind of what's the market looking like in the context of our need for money management in a fairly conservative way, but in a way that might be able to enhance some of the projects on your pet projects list, that we can look a little bit longer term because cable revenues are not falling off the cliff. So I'm sorry, sorry for the overly detailed analysis of things like, but my background was business development and bringing business cases to the heads of the company. And so we needed to explain this, here's the risk, here's the rewards, here's the term. And then, you know, don't want to surprise anybody, I'm pretty new to the job. But my recommendation after looking at that is that it's safe to either look at some slightly longer term CVs to take advantage of the fact that right now you've got usually high CV rates that looks like they're going to decline a little bit. And, you know, we're going to give out a $1,000 a year or $2,000 a year on the $135,000 if you don't do this. But that's for the backs lighting package, you know, so it's the money is makes a difference. And the other thing is, you know, at some point we'll have the strategy thing, and then like, are we going to do an internship? Are we going to do some sponsorship, is what they can listen to the program? Again, in fact, I hope the small businesses be able to get videos made, you know, like if they're tiny businesses that small business can't afford to do. Those are all things in our good mission statement. So at that point, you want that money available. But so that's the other thing that affects the liquidity. So there it is. Oh, it didn't remind me that the government write a check to the pegs, or maybe it's a question for you. It's a $100,000 check or something like that. Like either a $25,000, some of the funds check got kind of distributed to spend an annual appropriation and a million dollars approved for all 24 organizations this year. So there's no guarantee. Well, no, it's coming. It's just that we're not sure when it'll be six months of the year. It's been a bit of a delay. And I think that last year we had that same, the bridge funding. So you'll see it in the report under government appropriation. So I think that was the first. Yeah. So that they cut it and it was, you know, they were talking about it for last budget year. So then we saw it like about a year. So we're expecting the budget that just got through this year that probably we won't see the check hit till next budget year. And so chances are you'll see this in our 2024 budget, the government appropriations of $25,000 that would reflect that bridge funding. But the reason it's being done is two things that I recall, but I want to check my understanding because it affects the transition to making. My understanding is two good things happened. One is Orca media and other pegs showed their value in the COVID environment in states, right? I mean, people were like, wow, this really helped keep the communities connected at a time when COVID was being that was important, especially that's important. And the second is that the government has recognized that the people with revenue shortfalls are beginning to become important. So they appropriated money, they put money in the government budget to support the pegs. And so our shortfall is already being addressed and an advanced successful in getting the streaming revenues in. We may find that we're in a better situation even than currently and have to just think of more better things to do to help the community with that one. But what is clear is what we have in hand is a government appropriation of $25,000 and another one. Yeah, and I mean, I think that what we've also heard is that this is this is not a long term thing. And that it was the third year now that they've done this at the state level. So I mean, at this point, we're introducing the community media bill isn't here yet. And so, you know, I don't know if we're going to be asking for appropriation again next year, because the work is going to be now focus on the bold actually. Yeah. Yeah. So CJ, you were on the board when Mike Doyle would do his treasured report. Yeah. Yeah. So he would lead with like when the last check came in, how much it was for, what's in our savings, what's in our checking, just very kind of nuts and bolts on the money pieces. Sure. And then the global stuff gets, unless there's like a specific like ask or, I mean, I mean, if you're content to let me make the same changes that Mike was making, then that's fine. I'm providing a different information because I'm new. And because I haven't been there since the beginning. So this is a diverse board with a lot of different good viewpoints. But in short, the current situation is that we have $299,338 as of June 1st yesterday's value with the additional 135 was just over 300. So it's increased the, you know, some hundreds of dollars since June 1st, March 1st, 2022, we were at $313,500. So we have seen a negative effect of the diverse difference, etc. due to the pandemic, it did not grow for March. And so for March 1st, March 1st, it went from 13313 to 294,600. It's now starting to grow again. And the CBs will obviously help stabilize for the moment. I have to go into some additional bonds again. Pretty safe and conservative does. I tend to agree with Mark. It does like a good time. But bonds are complex and I don't want to be an expert. And they also block you longer or the penalties for getting out are a little harder hitting and I will come back with with the details of his recommendations and how they're structured because they're not all structured the same. I have some experience with uni bonds just because of being on EC Fibersport and on the Executive Committee through that. And so I could talk a lot about those but, you know, corporate bonds seem to be structured in different ways, depending on the corporation. And then the Vermont bond bank is in something I did a lot with Paul Giuliani that might, you know, who did almost all of the state's bond issues, but mostly on legislation. But I think Mark is willing to come to our next board. Probably good to touch base. He met with us maybe two years ago. He's our financial advisor. He came in my first meeting, Mike and I. Meeting after I took over as treasurer. I think it was the second one. So it was much more recent than that. But there was a there was a time when he was talking about greening up the fun and cleaning up the fun, having your values be reflected in your investments. I think he was more asking about our boards. I think we're talking about two different visits. I think I remember that visit about changing, making more green, I think, but just to kind of jump in here, I feel, I feel like these, these discussions should be, this is like a more of a smaller committee. Because right now, I mean, I'm following the market in a different way that I'm lost here. You know, I just want to put it out there. Yeah, because I haven't done the research in terms of, you know, that requires a lot. I think that should happen in a different committee. I think the space right now should be more reserved for kind of the clip notes of this. That's great guidance. And I think yours matches likes, which is please give us how much we have on the bank. No, but I love and I love, I love what you're, I mean, I love what you're coming with. I feel like you two sitting down and talking about this are going to get so much more out of it than us right now. I think for us, I would like to see the numbers, the bigger picture, what it means like when there's big transitions and changes. Yeah, sure. I think it's a lot of work. The numbers aren't important. Yeah, yeah. And it's bit that sort of get predictive about the market, but also we don't want to be reactive. Every, oh, geez, it dropped by 2%. And let's move here and let's move there. So it's just, that becomes like a philosophical discussion. And so that I think, and it's also like lasting. So there's just, you know, previous times. We're going forward. I'll just bring in how much he's in the account today. And we'll leave it at that. But do I have the board's confidence to go ahead and do you want to bring the microphone or maybe to like to do? I think if you break up the ladder and move it into bonds, we would like to loop on that. For sure, right? Like change it. Just keep us posted on, it sounds like you're giving us a forward idea which way you may want to move us. Is that fair to say? That is correct. Yeah, so thank you for that. And just keep us posted. If it gets like, oh, look at interest rates, they are actually falling off. Well, they're holding steady and the ladder thing makes sense. But we just built the ladder. So I need to dismantle it in response to interest rates, just doing a little of this or a little of that. I will continue to keep you. You tend to get more information on the board because I thank you. So I'll just continue to keep you updated and I'll continue to update the board much more quickly at our meetings. And so it sounds like I've got your motor confidence. Just go ahead and continue. Yeah, which means like watch the money go fully. But well, it's a little more active than that. You know, the additional 6,000 came from some active intervention that we have coming this year. Right. So it's, it's, I could just watch the money grow in which case we would be, we would have less money. That's fine. Or I could do my best to stay conservative and active in our management, in which case, you know, slightly more risk, likelihood of more reward. It's kind of the way it goes. Okay, well, that is, that's my report. We are down 2,000 from a year ago. We had some new things that will make it work better and market it from covering. So we're expecting with that loss of money over the last year, we're going to reverse as well. But as a result, we're not actually going to keep it for fun. Thank you very much. And Jen, over to you with the So nothing to really kind of note through the financial reports, unless anyone had questions, I'm more than happy to hopefully give you details of what happened when. But other than that, I think we're under on most things. I think some of them is over just because we got the bill, even though it was, it's once a year or so, even though we split out the amounts monthly, the bill hit. So it looks like we're over, but for the most part for the year to date, we're doing okay. And I think I think outside of that, if there's any questions for me, it's just that beginning to serve right that elephant. Have you been monitoring the elephant? Very nicely to Harriet has shown that she will not go down. So Harriet is our server that pushes out the content to the cable channels. And so she you like to make sure she's happy and she has her own air conditioning. And so that because if she goes down, then that's where a lot of the money is going to go to. I think we're looking at like at least like 10 to 20,000 like for hardware. So that's where and I think she's she's not quite at end of life, but it's really close. And so she survived a winter storm. She had a little there was a little snappy with the window during one winter storm and she survived that and she was like, but so I think that's the only thing where you know, because she's getting older and she's nearing that end of life that theoretically it could be something that we might need to purchase, but she's been you know, she's been steady in and we don't do much to really catch her. And so I think she's been I think she's been happy. If there's a one-to-one HD, then believe me with the panel. So I think that's where it is. And I think Vivian, some of the other acts have been in communication about Comcast. And so all our channels are in standard definition. And there's some channels that are in HD. And whether when I think it's been like an age old struggle with Comcast to try to get the Comcast. Sorry, none of the Comcast people are in HD yet. Yeah. So they haven't been wanting to give us HD. So our equipment has been hadn't didn't need to be updated to provide HD, but that's one of those where starting Comcast is starting to say, yes, we can give you HD an HD channel. So that would kind of move us to say, okay, well now since that end of life and we need to be HD, this might be a time to make that transition and buy new equipment. So that's where it's like, you know, the Comcast has been saying stuff. And so how much, you know, what's really going to happen. So I think that's one of the other things that we've been keeping an eye on. Cool. So now that you mentioned that there's nobody or very few channels in Vermont have HD. Is there like a, is there a way in which both buying like when we all got together saying we all going to buy HD servers is you all getting that advice? Yeah, we could talk to Telview. I mean, the Telview sales person has been doing it for me. I mean, he knows, I saw him in one of our junctions recently and he was like, Hey, how's Jen doing? And like asking specifically about Jen's server, you know, so I mean, like, he's very familiar with everybody's situation. So I'm sure that that's like an approach and be like, Hey, what if at least ample of us needed this? Yeah, let's see. The statewide channel is HD, right? The statewide channel is HD. So yeah. Not all the locals. But where's, that's because they're coming, where are they coming out of it? Yeah, I guess I don't actually know why. How are they HD? I think it was, I mean, I remember Rob talking and it was a big like battle just to get the HD for the statewide channel. So yeah, I think you have to give up our low, low numbers to get that. So I think in terms of somewhere, often the Contest land is where, you know, we may shoot it to them, but then they just de-ungrade it. And so it's not necessarily us. It's always somewhere with them. And like, when it wasn't that it was like the channel markers, or, you know, like when you put the channel on on the channel guide, it wouldn't say what you were watching, you know, it would just say like local access TV. It wouldn't even say for the media, let alone say Montclyer City Council or something, you know, so that was it. We're just saying for them, you know, I've worked a lot with them. So it is under consultants. So if you look, and that's why I was looking down at our net income and we're at the negative, I'm like, wait a minute, I can do the, and I was like, oh yeah, we added the 10,000 consultant. That's why our budget, our expenses is 10,000 over our revenue. So it is in there in that, in the consultant line. Okay, got it. Which is what you're hearing in. It is 5045. Got it. So yeah, hold on. So, and thank you for including both the full year and your day-to-day point. So yeah, I am, there's just be one more page. They're basically, we should be on the full year. We should be looking at everything at about 53rd time, ideally. Yeah, we're coming right in 50.57 halfway through the year. Yeah. So good job, team. More questions for financial reports or a motion to accept? I have a question. These are two trivial ones, but unemployment taxes are at 75 percent on the best full year. Should we expect an overage? That's a line 50, 16. Yeah, exactly. So I believe that we shouldn't, because I was like, is it, I think the unemployment, does it kind of taper down as like, you hit the, a certain amount and then the amount that we've lost. So it does, I think it was unemployment where it's like, it front loads until you, everybody who makes a certain amount gets pulled out and then it's, they do less. So I think, and like that's where, so I think central security goes, that we should be nearly done and it should be kind of, but you know, every time we get a new camera operator, then it starts over because it's new wages that they would be using and taxing or using in their calculation. So I think all our camera operators stay with us, then we should be good till the end of the year. But if, you know, if we get busier, and I think our camera operators are pretty solid, so I think we're doing okay. And I think we covered, we did get a couple new ones that, but I don't think that they're going to be doing so many hours that it, that would be noticeable. And 4,800 capital gains? So yeah, the capital gains, I'm not quite sure exactly. I think it's our countens that the accountant needs to put in and interact with the QuickBooks. And I've been having a little communication problems with him. So I think he tends to not go into our QuickBooks as often as I would like him to. So it's definitely a work in progress. But I think that's up to him to do the journal entry, to do the capital gains. And that's why it's not quite reported. Sure. So that $5, it's not accurate. No, I think it's like, it's an, there's a, it's a recurrent transaction just as a hold. But then he's supposed to kind of go in there and make the adjustments. I wasn't sure it was from the Edward Jones accounts. Thank you. More questions? Motions? Financial reports? How are we doing out there? I'm going to accept. I hear Chad moving to accept the financial reports. I second it. Carlos the second. And all those in favor, step in financial reports. Please indicate by saying aye. And the post and unanimous. We're warning us to the co-director to report item number six on our agenda. All right, Chris, we'll take the floor. I'll try to fly through this maybe in a second time and give you the highlights. You have the co-director's report in front of you. So for our guests, we typically kind of look back at the month and report on senator's major categories, which you'll see here. So I'd say the big one from the production end was the coverage of graduations. That was a, there was a lot involved there. And we even included the viewers, viewership numbers for the first time, which was a little sparkly, you know, we had the graduation for Vermont Community College, between college and Vermont. So that was a really high, so the peak maybe of the viewership there. So then let's see, we did live streaming for E32, ran off the union, my player high school and CCHB. And two of those were happening simultaneously. So you guys did a really nice job. Yeah, it was good. I saw them on the airing school. Oh yeah, then, you know, for any game of talent. So we covered that. That was fun. Over at the senior center. And that's the move on YouTube. Come on, check it out. Let's see in the outreach and community partnerships section. And I think that it's maybe two things. So as you know, Zach's not here. Zach's attending the ACM conference in Brooklyn. The big lead up to the summer is coming. So we have Vermont University documentary lab. We have, we've listed the participants here. So we have seven participants, two new media fellows, a supporting college student, and some visiting filmmakers. We have Eliza, who will be a visiting artist and helping to, has a teaching assistant, so it's super exciting. And then the week after the Vermont University documentary lab, we have the make TV cam coming up with, with a record high of 11 participants. So that's going to be fun. That's the younger group, the 11 to 14 year olds. So it's going to be crazy. We also just won first place down in White River Junction in Vermont University documentary lab. Won first place for the history of contemporary issues category at the freedom and unity young filmmakers contest. So that was awesome. I got a plaque, got some money. And so we're going to give it back to the kids. They each get a 15 bucks. So they distributed the money. This is cool. Yeah, we also won last year, which is awesome. Okay, so we have, we're on a winning streak. Let's see, so last year, I think we had six. So yeah. Can that be viewed through media, like on websites? It's, if you go to the Oregon Media YouTube, it's right there. There's like a Vermont documentary lab channel. It's probably the first one out there. It's the video is called, did I include it there? It's called poverty, Vermont. So that's also on the Vermont documentary lab site. Yeah, I did, I did change the Vermont. I could venture back to the language, not since the award winning in Vermont. He's like, you know what I'm talking about. Yeah, so we can add like another page of, you know, those awards because I was going to say the next one when you talk of pads. Yeah, so yeah. So I think I meant to include those together, so they're separated. But so one of the tasks that Zach is on is picking up the award for the, at the ACM for the hometown media award that Pat McDonald won, who was just here as a prospective candidate. So Pat won pretty much the category was, but it was under like the new Z community producer category, which is cool. So I mean, is that a word? No, Zach wanted to surprise her. Okay. I was going to say, because I meant to like, I was going to tell her and then Zach like, well, I'll be there. I'll just pick up the thing and present it to her. So, and I think she's won in the past, which is cool. So that's a national since the Alliance for Community Media Conference is the US wide annual conference for all the community media centers. Are invited. And she won in one of the categories there. So in terms of all this right now, right? I mean, how many productions are being done in student? Well, regular productions, I would say. So what, you know, would be referred to them as community producers. So that would be anybody from the community that's producing content. I'd say three, well, three community producers and Kat does two shows. Oh, sorry, four. In the studio. I forgot. And Lizette does, she has three different shows that she does. So even though she's one community producer, she has three different, I think, and they're like movie commentaries. So there's like one on horror, one on world cinema and one on just things that she likes to talk about. So, but actual community producers, it's just four. That uses studio. I think total producers that are like interacting with us on a regular basis and producing a show, I think it's like eight, right? Yeah, because some do kind of just grab the equipment, the camera. We have some that are just like, we have an American intern that comes and just uses the equipment as they're doing the project. Yeah, or Gilbert or Joe's show. Yeah, I really wanted him to win. Yeah, he did like a green screen production and his is a Spanish language show. It's cool. It's like Cuban in Vermont and like, yeah. Yeah, his show is awesome. So what's his last name? Yeah, it's great. And he is also a part time staff with us. Yeah. Okay, cool. So strategic plan, as you know, it's on hold. So we did put our strategic plan on strategic planning project on hold because we're actually at the board retreats point. And instead of going forward with the form tree, we wanted to wait until we recruit some new board members. And then so if it all works out, that's something to look forward to. There'll be more pizza. The big highlight for our staff and intern section, I think, is that Junna has just started and Junna is a Stanford University work study intern who will be working on an independent project focusing on mental health. And she's also helping with the number of things, post-production with Zach. And she'll be our teaching assistant assistant in the Vermont Tech Manager Lab and also make the weekend. No, no, that's not why I said that. Yeah, Junna is our new teacher. I did the transition. You talked a lot about that. Yeah, that's why I said that, no problem. So Junna is a Stanford University student who's interning and going to help us out. Yeah. What's 10 percent? So that's the work study. The internships, we've done some internships where we didn't pay anything, they just came in. So the Stanford work study, they paid her wage and we paid 10 percent for Stanford for allowing us to have her, essentially. So she came to us with an idea and so we figured that she's working on her independent project and we will use her for the summer camp because she has and for post-production. So we might be able to save some on salary in the compensation by using her. So we figured if we do at least eight hours, not that she's cheap labor, but that because it's 10 percent that if we were to do, we could save, I think during that time period, like 1200 is like, if we just used her at least for eight hours of post-production, that would be eight hours that would save, we would save from using one of the post-production camera operator people. So that's where, and we wanted to put it in there just because most internships that we've used didn't require us to pay for anything, but we figured with the Stanford work study program that the caliber of assistants might be a little bit more than what we were getting with, I think like the Department of Labor because it was those where I think more mentorship and trying to learn how to work. And so here we're like trying to brute force and trying to get as much as we can from her while she's working on her independent project. So we thought it was, it was just to be transparent just because it was different and we are paying a little bit for her that we wanted. And then we had pre-interests. Yeah. She is so fortunate to be here. I was going to get a lot from ourselves. And then we can air the final product. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, I think it's very cool. And I think we're also trying to use her to come up with like show development. So I think that's one part where as we try to do more community outreach, it's hard to like, we don't really have like something to present to people and be like, oh, we can help you with the show. So we're maybe looking to maybe do a little bit more systemic but like systemize the trying to get people involved. So it doesn't seem super like a hazard, but it's like, this is kind of like a template of doing shows. So that's another thing that we were hoping to have her kind of like test out and work with the templating of shows. They're trying to go in. I think that's a great idea, but someone we talked about that playbook, like a very easy to digest playbook of how to generate a show idea. Like that's something that organizations should make and should have. That's on our list of like dream spending money and the type of chunk of money that we're talking about is like, how do we just say like a campaign, like a huge campaign to like, we want more people to engage with us. We don't want people using that set. That would be one. So Carlos is talking about something supportive of that, but it's more specific. Like, here's how to do it. I also think that playbook should be, and I have examples of things that would work, very easy, like very graphical. Bringing up story ideas in terms of graphic, like, you know, like character plus this equals that. And think about there's this architect who, in the 70s, did his own theory in architecture, urban architecture, but he didn't know words, but with images. And it was very easy to digest. You must remember his work is super easy to digest. I'm thinking like something, like a playbook that's easy to follow. That'd be awesome. Yeah. I would love like, yeah, just even if it's like fits on one sheet. It's like, yeah, this is how you make a show at Archimedia, you know what I mean? Yeah. This is how you find your ideas, right? Yeah. Because that is the biggest hurdle. This isn't for the board meetings, it's for the outside of things. What do you, I did business process, and so I can be the secretary, if you and your content, and you have this playbook in your head, if you want, I'll be the secretary while you guys dictate. And for the next board meeting, you take the lead on scheduling. I'll write what you guys want. But I think that's something we should capture that at some point and then follow up, which is under, we can talk about that in a few minutes. Get the ones too. We can talk about that in a while. Okay. All right. Yeah. Yeah, we also talked about promo video. Yeah, I think that's definitely in the books. Yeah. That's overlap a little bit. It's different. This is the promo video. Yeah, so I think just hitting the finances next. Jen spoke to the work study, do you want to say anything else on the accounts? No, I think. Thanks for talking about it. It's helpful to have it right there. Yeah. We would talk to that. Yeah. I think outside of that, it's, you know, it's the finances is just pretty much just a list out of there. And I think that's pretty much it. Cool. Yeah. So then in the last seconds, statewide regional work, as I mentioned, the $1 million bridge funding is in the approved budget. So that was super exciting. We were following the ups and downs of the budget and it did, it went through. So yeah, so then the work continues on what's called H458, Community Media Public Benefit Fund. And so if you have a little digital copy of this, you can click into there and read the summary of the bill on our Google Drive. That's the full attachment. That's the full attachment. That's correct. Yes. So there's a summary available. And if anyone needs us to do that, it's interesting. Yeah. It's a whole new world. So upcoming, we also included board recruitment processes underway. And then there's some CVs mostly for the board and it's a little bit here. So that's it for the Co-Director's Report. And more questions. Question, emotional assessment. Who's the primary supervisor for Santa, for June? That, because she's a post-production media. That's all right. Cool. Move to the top. CJ moves to accept the Co-Director's Report. I second it again. And Gerard Rose. Thank you. Seconds. All those in favor. Thank you. Just to get up to in the Co-Director's Report. People say aye. I heard it. Ann opposed nay. And unanimous. One more old business. Which all of us are doing bylaw exchanges. That's the policy circle. The policy circle. It's called the policy circle hold. Outreach policy and facilities. Outreach policy and facility. We tack in the physical space. That's who I am. You guys, old business is usually just a catch-all, but you did itemize here. Oh, so I think this was part of what was discussed about making sure we kept our old business and that it didn't get lost that Carlos wanted. So that's where I took last the notes for new business and just shifted them to the old business. And then I was realized I forgot to keep, I meant to keep the Montpelier live old business because I think that was still being reported on about kitty trouts. So, and I was going to say part of that process of shifting the new business into old business at some point, like this old business, do we want to just say it's no longer old business? So like, can we maybe take, like at what point can I take it off the old business list out versus? So that's where I was like, you know, I think I'm hoping that in our meeting dates, we can like get a date and then I can cross it off. That's it. That's a tonight thing. Yeah, we're committed to figuring that out tonight. Yeah. And I also think in terms of that process, is there like a physical board somewhere? Well, we have that, so it's insight and set up out of sight, you know what I mean? So it's something that we should be working on, right? It's just like because we talk about things, about new business that we're going to do or something and then it disappears and we never... But I love what Chad said because the way you've done it, they're really easy. I just popped over to old business and new business from last week. She said, I don't know, there are like the six things. So I had a boy then. She was trying to do it the same way. If I remember when I did, I didn't even check back. But if you gift your new soul, then you're good. Okay. Yeah. I think that's the idea though. Like in when we have our staff meetings, this is example, like we tend to kind of like complete the thing, you know? I mean, everyone just probably faces this in their work setting, right? But it's like, even when it's like completed or like set. So you can still go and it's still like somewhere else now. We'll find like cabinet or like something physical or like, I think that's a good idea. Yeah. Because there are some things that are just ongoing conversations. I think that's correct. Yeah. To be creative, completed this section and then come up old and go to complete it. Yeah. But maybe a physical board will feel we've accomplished something to get on. You can cross it out. Yeah, that's one thing. And then the other thing for me is status of some of these things, right? We're talking about process for many bylaws policies. Did we ever talk about when we're going to do this? That's kind of information you will have to have, right? Or when is it going to be, when are we going to do this? Right? Kind of those things. Right. Well, I thought over some very specific bylaw change recommendations. Some of these are already, I think, did I only send them to you, Mike? Or did I? I think, I think we have them to everybody after the last meeting. Yeah. And so I think with the bylaw was, in terms of the policy circle, is that we did, because Rachel Muse was part of the policy circle, so we held off and hopefully with the new board members or one of the new ones to bring it back into the policy circle, so that the, we do know that the bylaw amendments and those changes that you were looking at would go and be hashed out in the policy circle, but the policy circle did go on a little bit of a hiding, just as we tried to recruit another member into it, because I think it was just me and Mike over. Yeah, yeah, Rachel was, that was it. So in terms of addressing the old business, we did, like I did have it in there that it would be with the policy circle, that as soon as we gather up again. If you want to drag me in until then, go prosthetic, I need the education. And again, I like feeding these poor dead horses. My nervousness is that too, that surprising like small amount of money can seem to motivate surprising like bad behavior, and we have enough money in the bank that after my experiences on two other boards, and Mike, I'll never forget your text when you send me that article and you're like, is this what you were talking about? And I'm like, yeah, but they haven't found all the missing money yet. That was, you know. Yeah, can we take a bite at something a little less large, like the annual meeting date, like that's something we could actually nail down tonight. We really ought to because our by-law say it happened. Okay, let's see it very quickly. Well, our next board meeting for Tuesday would be August the 22nd. That is the fourth Tuesday. And I'm wondering, and we traditionally have the annual meeting on a Thursday. I don't know if the following, the 24th or the 31st. What do you think about doing at the 22nd, the annual meeting with the board meeting in the 22nd? Well, it's about getting people out on almost Tuesdays a great night for that. And also, we were hoping to showcase the summer programs at the annual meeting, and when will they be all wrapped up by? July, the final thing is July 21st. So, I mean, they should be done by Thursday. So, they'll be easily done by late August. I was thinking having it after the next board meeting, in case there's loose ends that's high up, that we're all bringing together. I think the 31st sounds great. All right. So, July? No, August, yes. As for annual meeting, a week and a little after our next board meeting, so co-directors will have us somewhere close, and we'll be able to report out and let us know about the, what's still left to be done, and maybe some board members can help push us to the finish line. That makes sense? 31st? Right. No objections? All right. That's all business that can be crossed off. Although now we have to actually have the meeting. See, nothing's ever crossed off. But we do have the day figured out. Yeah. No objections. Great. Board candidates, since last meeting, the recruitment has happened. I appreciate it. We'll just do our next step, probably at the next board meeting. So we're going to have some freshly admitted board members for the next day of the meeting. Yeah, I think, is it what does happen next? We don't want to say that out loud, or what's the next step for interested candidates? I guess we would want to know if, after experiencing a board member, you're still interested. And we would want to know that. And then we would be welcoming board members. Yeah, so maybe I could send something for guests that we had. I'll send something out tomorrow. So there's no pressure. You don't have to say anything tonight. And we can let you decide if you're interested in coming on back. And then we'll pass it. I'll include you, Michael. That sounds great. Yeah, we'll give you an invite. Great. And then board secretary, is that just acknowledging Chad's no longer interim status? Is it? Yeah. Yeah. Your work. You did it too well. You did it too well, but you did it too well for a second. Are you willing to accept it? Just for a while. Just for a while. I did it for a few years. Remember the board meeting? Yeah, that's why I'm cautious. Just for a while. Just for a few years. Just for a second. Just for a while. Hey, I'm still not interested in the permanent. Yeah. So maybe I'll change my mind. But my verbal trials, problems that AVD has made. It's very challenging. And our bylaws do say that we elect officers the board meeting following the annual meeting. So that would be a an October reshuffle if people were to move around the chess board. And Chad, if you need to break next week Even if you're letting them take one of the big frauds. Thank you. I would let anyone who wants to borrow my ally system. David. I don't know. I'm a big fraud. Right, Terry. It's not provided, Terry. That's right. Open source. Yeah. Yeah. Can we just use chat to be taken to record the minutes or something there? Oh, that's scary. Yeah. Yeah. We'll take the live feed from now. And then any other old business bylaws amendment is just into the policy circle. We'll get there. If not new business. We've got a whole ahead of us here. Wait, and you asked me every Monday every Wednesday. Right. Or last year. So interesting. Any new business. I just have a question. Yeah. Because I haven't read the bill. What is the expected yield on the. That would be that goes through as written on television. You should read it. It's, it's, I think it's, it's definitely an estimate. And I believe. It's right in the highlights there. Yeah. I mean, it comes up at EC five or land a lot for different reasons. It was like 7 million. Yeah, I don't know why. And it doesn't look that there is a number in the summary. Well, there's. I mean, there's a lot of nuance there. I mean, there's an unknown amount of polls in the state. No one's ever. It's not. It's like, how the polls. Yeah. I mean. I mean, it's just like any other new taxes. It's going to be a struggle. As soon as people real test. What we've heard from action circles that we're working with this. As soon as anybody realizes that there's a remedy source. There's going to be, you know. Let's start. You know, there's people will swim to it. And so it's just. Yeah. It's interesting that they went out. I mean, I won't comment on that. Yeah. Yeah. So. It was an evil for one thing. It was much easier attack. Because you're going to attack the old income. That sort of streaming revenue. I don't think it should be going. The referral to companies are getting. Again. You're doing business. Motion. To adjourn. I was moves to adjourn at eight. 41. It's. You're doing business. To adjourn. I was moves to adjourn at eight. 41. Okay. Thank you. Thank you.