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I was Saying that I was having a debate with somebody over the weekend of when it is inappropriately early to put up Christmas decorations In my mind the day after Thanksgiving, it's fair game We put up a tree the day after Thanksgiving. You're on the early side, but it's fair game Anything before Thanksgiving. I'm not down with that No, I don't even like the fact that they start the commercials as soon as Halloween's over now Yeah, I won't if I won't engage holiday agnostic where they could apply to Thanksgiving Then I'm willing to be like, okay. I'll just pray. I guess this can be just a Thanksgiving commercial You know, but oh when it's sort of like the holiday season type thing Sitting down to share a meal at the holiday time Right, yeah There are Christmas lights in the background and a Christmas tree and all of that's like just give me some time people come on Yes, well, they don't really do that much of a Thanksgiving Display anymore because it gets Overlapped by Halloween And then as soon as the Halloween's over like you were saying there's I mean I saw as soon as they're cleaning the shelves of all the old not the old candy But the the Halloween candy a lot of the Christmas stuff was coming up didn't call it Christmas But you could tell because they're like Christmas trees right little decorations and Boxes to stick stuff into wrap Well, I mean Thanksgiving is It's a it's a food day, right? So sure there's you know the turkey and autumn colors and you know that whole thing but Christmas is more of like a ramp up and kids are into it because they know they're going to get presents I mean, I think what would they make you buy besides turkey and Stuffing and other decorations for the Thanksgiving table, I guess Well, uh, I'm thankful that we can do another show today. I am too So let's do it Sarah could you read line three today? Sure All right, we'll start in about 10 seconds or so So I can synchronize my watches All right, here we go and five four three two one Thanks, everyone who supports independent tech news directly if you're not already become a dTNS member at patreon.com This is the daily tech news for monday november 19th 2018 in los angeles. I'm tom merit and from studio feline I'm sarah lane and uh, I am roger shane the show's producer We are going to talk a little bit about the wall street journal report about apple Allegedly cutting back its production line and what that might mean. It certainly has hit the stock market a little bit Let's start with a few tech things. You should know Snap announced a new partner program to help advertisers find developers to create augmented reality lenses Snap's lens creative partner program has more than 30 certified creators listed at least at this time And it expects to have more than 100 in the next few months Instagram has patched a flaw that included a user's password in plain text As part of a url that you clicked to download your data They have a download your data function if you click that url the url had your password in it in plain text now That doesn't leak it out on the internet, but anybody who accessed your machine or maybe got into your browser history That could happen remotely would have been able to see that password That has been patched and affected users have been notified if you have been affected as they advise you you should change your password A little bit more instagram news The company is removing third-party apps from accounts that use these apps to gain in the authentic follows Or likes or comments or all three and other behavior that violates the company's policies And will now send users a warning to change their password to cut ties with these specific apps or quote See their instagram experienced impacted instagram tells tech crunch It also may limit access to certain features for example for these users yeah, so this is I think getting a lot of attention because the instagram fight for users is a is a serious game for many people and They may feel that it is unfair That they appear to be losing that game to others who use these apps to inflate their follower count Certainly there's the impact on the bottom line for people who get hired Or get branding deals based on how many followers they appear to have Which if they're inflated isn't it is sort of a bit. I don't know if it's actually fraud, but it's certainly misleading So so there's there's some some people crying you know Very very crying crying foul about this and very happy today that these other folks are getting cracked down on Other folks believe that this is just the way you play the game and it's unfair for instagram to crack down on Well, I think you know, we just talked about the fact that you know instagram itself is is trying to be uh, You know They they want users to be safe with With their passwords and the more third-party apps you have we've seen this go on with twitter with facebook All the social networks have have have had that same problem is the more of these third-party apps that people end up using and piping in information to to change their experience the weirder that security gets in some cases, uh, it's it's worse and It also I don't know it just illustrates the fact that these high inflated follower accounts instagram as well as other companies are realizing it doesn't really matter It doesn't help the user experience and the the sooner we kind of cut down on this idea of Uh inflated numbers somehow making you better of a person on the platform the better Yeah, and the the security issue with this comes directly From the fact that most of these apps are not authorized to access instagram in the way they would need to To operate your account. So you have to give them your password Uh, and sure some of them probably don't do anything with that password to log into instagram and follow people for you Which is a bit of a lot of people think is cheating but It also means they have your password and that right and it's something that instagram can't control Yeah, yeah, and and that's not a good thing for you to do So you definitely should not use third-party services that require that instagram is advising against that anyway um, but yeah, I I don't know. I want to say just don't use these things at all But I get where if you're in that that game where you need to get those brand deals And you're fighting against other people who are using this it starts to sound like drug use in sports, right? Well, I didn't want to do it, but it was the only way to to compete win yeah This week amazon echoes are going to be able to access skype calling Including video calling if you're using like the echo show It also includes support for skype out That means you could tell your echo to use skype to call a landline or a mobile phone anybody with a phone number I think this is very interesting because microsoft has been playing nice with amazon quite a bit There's cortana integration with alexa and the idea that now skype could be used for calling actually solves a problem for amazon because amazon can in fact Make calls on its own But now it can access a lot of things it wouldn't be able to access through a skype account and do video calls which makes it kind of compete with the uh the facebook portal plus And and google's use of duo on on on google. So I I think this is one of those examples of a partnership that you might not have expected to happen But really is good for both companies Do you make video skype calls that aren't uh podcast related? That's a good question. Uh, yeah every once in a while I will call with somebody Like to have a meeting or or or discuss something and they'll want to have video on just so we can see each other um But but yeah, I I generally end up using zoom or or google hangouts if it's that kind of situation more often than skype these days I don't know roger I I don't use skype. Well, I don't really use skype very regularly these days But I you know anytime anybody wants to connect that way. It's perfectly fine I mean it it works it works great if I had an echo show And yeah, it was maybe something where if tom and I wanted to share some screens and collaborate on something That makes a lot of sense, particularly if we don't have those Is one of those things I think would be perfect for my parents Because I often do either skype or through google hangout to To do the parent or grandparent grandchild interaction, you know from a long distance and I had to remote into my dad's desktop and set it up on his end In order for me to get it working If he could get something where he could just say like blah blah blah Connect and it does and he doesn't have to worry about the the technical aspect of actually connect Even his phone is like a giant question mark like he has literally half a dozen duplicate you know shortcuts of the same apps and I can't even get him to figure out how to delete his own voicemail messages, so This is a very low barrier of entry item And I think that would be great for people who are either technophobic or just don't want to be bothered Understanding how to do it. I just say connect to my kids through skype and it does like call up tom Does it for me don't have to worry about it. You have to buy an echo show You have to get a skype account like there's a barrier to entry But I guess once it's set up once it's it's one of those things I set up on Thanksgiving or You know christmas or new year's day Say bye to the folks and I can head back and not worry about it for a year The whole smart display too thing even though you can say you could just you know do it on your phone What you know phones are already mobile and it's always with you I hate to whether it's facetime or skype or Google hangouts or whatever I hate holding my phone and I don't really have like a nice little tripod where my phone goes where When I want to video chat with people but it does come in handy So I think the smart display having a little area where that's where you do that It's kind of a throwback, but it actually makes more sense to me Yeah, I the first thing I thought was oh, I could uh call into someone's cooking show podcast From my kitchen where I have my echo show and do cooking things that'll never happen It might show me reported a net profit in q3 beating analysts estimates sales growth in uh, India and europe helped drive the 2.48 billion won profit Which turned around an 8 billion won loss for the same quarter last year Xiaomi announced it'll make and sell phones under the me2 brand Meastew is best known for a photo app popular among young women. I have not heard of this But I guess i'm not young enough. Oh you too. Yeah, no Were you not maybe this broke before you joined the show back in october? But this was a hot app for a week or two I don't know it It's big Popular effect is to smooth your skin out Controversy about whether it should be popular or not because it just it makes you look like you have a naturally smooth skin and it can No, I mean that's any filter, you know Look it up. This one works really really well and it makes your eyes bigger and it's it basically I mean that's like It emphasizes all Okay, but if you're a young person using me too and you hear old people like us saying well, it's just like snapchat They're gonna roll their eyes and go and be like no not even I got you I got you. Um, and and and so I think this is smart for xiaomi to say Let's start making a brand. Let's start making a phone under this brand and sell to all those those youngsters Who are who love that app? The same way that they're making a gaming phone and other branded phones that are separate from xiaomi Which is seen as a bargain brand no matter what they do Hmm And it's it's uh good news for for xiaomi and what we'll talk about for apple is a rocky market making smartphones these these days Speaking of apple tim cook told axios on hbo that he thinks google search engine is the best And believes privacy protections and safari make up for the deficiencies and privacy protections from google I mean they were basically saying look tim cook You've said you've called google out for not protecting people's privacy But you take several billions of dollars from them to be the default app and or the default search engine for safari How do you reconcile those two statements? And he's like well, they're the best search engine And we think we can protect people's privacy through the browser He also repeated his opinion that he said before the government regulation is probably needed to protect privacy saying I'm a big believer in the free market, but we have to admit when the free market's not working How about that, huh? How about that free market, huh? Well, it's it's very interesting because this is one of those situations where a market or or the marketplace should say marketplace Of a particular area of the market so matured that it actually would help businesses If there was government regulation, so everyone would be on the same page instead of working at Ostensibly toward the same goal, but maybe at the same time cross purposes where well, you know, I don't want to be on their platform So I'm gonna change things here If you have government rules that says you do a b and c and you can't do e or f Everyone's okay fine. Those are guidelines or not guidelines. Those are the regulations We can work with that and we can make something that's effective and not so scattershot Yeah, I We've we've talked over that that aspect of things before about where regulation would be necessary how it would do the most good Uh, I I think that's not controversial for him to say at this point. Uh, I think it is interesting That uh for axios to hold him his feet to the fire to say like, okay You want us to believe that you're so much more involved in protecting people's privacy Why don't you use duck duck go? And that's not what axios actually said, but that's my question You know, yes, you get less money from google But duck duck go is a very good search engine that will protect people's privacy. So you're saying the money and The marginal improvement in service from google is worth more than privacy That that is that is sort of the equation that's being put out here by tim kurt So there I mean is this I don't know the fact that What stood out to me is is it a big deal that tim cooks says that google search engine is the best out there I mean, I think that apple has known that for some time the fact that defense, right? Sure He's he's saying that to defend the fact that he chose it. Oh, we chose it because it's the best But yeah, apple doesn't have a competing search engine. So that's an easy thing to say I don't think anyone disagrees with him that they're you know, that google is the best search engine as far as finding things It's just that apple and google compete on other stuff maps for example. It's it's it's I don't know it's I guess it's true. It's not that surprising that he would say that A joint study from temisek holdings and google estimates that southeast asia's internet economy will pass 240 billion dollars by the year 2025 The latest version of the report issued monday includes food delivery Subscription music and video on demand alongside previously included sectors like e-commerce travel and online media e-commerce business from lasada shoppy and tocopedia are noted as leading developments in the sector The report also estimates that gojek and grab will push ride hailing to become a 30 billion dollar sector on its own By 2025 the report covers indonesia, malaysia, the philippine, singapore, thailand and vietnam Yeah, I wanted to cover this today particularly because of those Countries, I think a lot of times when you hear about asia and the asian market you immediately think china Maybe you think japan korea Uh, and you might think broadly about You know southeast asia as far as singapore, maybe or maybe even indonesia But if you just limit it to indonesia, malaysia, philippine, singapore, thailand and vietnam That is a huge market that is only getting bigger and it's not dominated We always get the people who say, you know, why can't you just stop covering google apple facebook amazon all the time? Uh, well, here you go. Here's a market where those companies are not the big companies And it's not china where china keeps those companies out This these are these are markets where google facebook and amazon and everybody else are competing But some of the biggest companies are lazata, which is owned by alibaba a chinese company Uh and and shopee and tokopedia Uh the the ride hailing business uber has not been able to succeed in the ride hailing business there grab Has taken that away And this is a growing market whether it's a self-sustaining market Or not if it starts to feel headwinds from the united states in china for various reasons is interesting But this study which is funded by google mind you In part uh says no, it's this this is the market's going to stay vibrant till 2025 It's it's crazy to me that uh, so many of these these household names depending on where you live Are names that someone in the u.s. Would never have heard of before Yeah, I think that's important for people in the u.s. To get used to is that A household name that you have isn't the household name everywhere Around the world and it actually doesn't mean the same thing even if it is right because google for instance Is is a bigger search engine in europe than it is in the united states Just and and chrome I think is is I don't want to say that about chrome But I know that the market dominance in europe is bigger for google in a lot of sectors Then it is in the united states Which is one of the reasons that you see europe more concerned with antitrust Movement against google so good good stuff to uh to take a look at uh and and keep an eye on uh, especially When your your news is not only just dominated by the u.s. Often. It's dominated by chinese names as well Folks, if you want to get all the tech headlines each day in about five minutes Be sure to subscribe to daily tech headlines dot com All right, we're going to talk about that apple story But I want to throw some things out as as ground rules things to know going into this story These are important to remember apple has never competed on price. That's never been its deal Apple values high average revenue per device. That's how they've been making their money Cutting a production order is different Than slowing sales. This is one to really really focus on Lots of things can contribute to changes in supply chain orders It could be that you just estimated the market wrong. It could be that a particular retailer Uh deal fell through. Uh, it could be that you just messed up the supply chain math Uh, and and you're like, oh wait a minute. That's the wrong number of of units to make even giving what we our estimates were So it's not get a given that a supply chain order change has to do with declining sales We've been here before last year There were reports of production cuts and the iphone 10 went on to be by counterpoint research's estimate the most popular phone in the world So a production cut doesn't mean That in the past iphone's haven't sold well And it shouldn't be a surprise apple reported fewer units than expected sold last quarter So maybe they would be adjusting their production because of anticipated sales chains Although they also had a 20 revenue rise last quarter They also said they will no longer report unit sales separately So they're trying to get you away from thinking about unit sales as a measure of their own success And background for all of this chinese demand for smartphones has been weakening overall You've got saturated markets in the us and europe and it looks like china's starting to get saturated as well Okay, here's the news. I'm not doing the inverted pyramid today. We're doing the bell curve That's the things you need to know the news is the wall street journal has sources Saying that apple has cut production orders For all three new iphone models the increased number of models made it harder to predict demand is what some of the sources say The fact that you've got Six models out there right you've got the three new models You've got old the old iphone 8 and the old iphone 10 plus the iphone 7 Uh, that's caused Uh complexity in the supply chain that goes back to what I said about supply chain Not always being changed because of sales But demand has also been lower than expected according to other sources. So maybe it is Having to do with that Particularly apple cut the iphone 10 r production by a third So they they did adjust 10 s and 10 s plus down But the iphone 10 r the affordable one seems to be the one that they were really doing a course correction with So given all of that all my caveats and the facts on the from the wall street journal article What do we think's going on here? Well, it does not surprise me that apple would not want um To separate its unit prices the fact that it's like, okay, we got a lot of models We sell a lot of iphone's we'll just go with that one big conglomerate number. That makes sense to me Uh, the fact that the 10 r was cut by a third Uh leads me to believe this is more than just apple saying, okay Our numbers were maybe a little high and you know, we're just adjusting a little bit based on based on You know, how the market is fluctuating. That's a pretty big cut I mean it it and I am not conversant enough with supply chain logistics And maybe someone in the audience really does work in supply chain and can say well Here are the reasons why it could be a big cut that has nothing to do with anticipated sales But i'm with you that's a real big cut if you don't if you think you're going to sell the same amount of iphone 10 r's Uh that you thought you were going to sell and the 10 r is the 749 dollar one. That's what it starts at right So it's still not a discount phone by any stretch. It puts it below other flagship phones. It is more Uh, it is less expensive than the note 9. Uh than the wall way made 20 than the pixel 3 Only buy a little bit with the pixel 3 Uh the lgv 40 thing q the xperia xc 3 though. It's cheaper than all of those right, but it's also Not cheap Right, it's not it The iphone 7 is the cheap model that one's 449 dollars But if you go to a market like india, which is a fast growing market for phones The xiaomi mi 8 is a flagship phone for the equivalent of 421 dollars The wall way honor 8x 209 dollars the most popular phones in india right now are the mid-range phones the redmi 5a and the samsung galaxy j7 nxt uh, so apple really i mean the iphone 7 kind of competes on price there Uh roughly speaking and i know the prices are a little different in india But apple's not making up any ground in india right now. The china market is stalling They're doing fine in the us in europe So i guess yeah, if you back all that out It it doesn't surprise me that maybe they thought the iphone 10 r would be an aspirational phone for the mid tier not Well, and we were talking about this before the show when we were kind of kicking around this this discussion topic is Where least i was at what point does apple finally say okay? The world doesn't care that we're apple and that's what you know, that's why every You know phone of ours that might be a mid-range phone, you know call the 10 r a mid-range phone To to we can get away with this uh premium price You know at what point does apple actually have to compete on price because the company never has before not with smartphones Well, what's interesting this actually kind of ties in with the last story about what you were saying that we take a very You know a very north american very euro centric a very developed country view point on how people consume And what the indian market shows is that people do want functional phones? But there is a price sensitivity To them that doesn't Doesn't necessarily correlate to what apple has been experiencing even in the chinese market I mean You know even though the the population that that's considered middle class is still a small portion Of the chinese population i mean you're talking you know population 1.4 billion people So it's a big chunk that you're talking 100 million people So you do have a sizable market, but if you're trying to sell into an emergency emerging or a middle income country Those those kinds of calculus about where you spend your dollars on and what you get out of it Is going to be a little different right in the same way that uber thought they could go into southeast asia And it's like well it worked everywhere Pardon me it worked everywhere else should work here No because people take transit differently. They take different types of transit They need it for different things and so You know for a lot of these You know xiaomi phones samsung is that they fit that niche in fact samsung has a huge product catalog to kind of It's almost like it's almost like a gm or Toyota They have a car that fits every budget they have a phone that fits every budget It's very staircase whereas apple just has like You know it has like the three steps and then you get a big jump down and then you get you know Three smaller ones at the bottom. There isn't that kind of middle section where everyone is coalescing Well, but hold on this goes back to my caveats. Apple doesn't care about that They don't want to be samsung with a phone at every price point. They want to be the aspirational phone They want to be the phone that people buy when they do have the money and they've succeeded that way xiaomi Is showing that you can take your your your you go out of your market and win They're winning in india. They're doing well in europe right so and those are very different markets than china Apple has done very well in china. So I don't think it's about price point particularly and I don't think it's about Uh operating in another market for apple I do think it's about the fact that there's a mismatch between their business model and where these Next markets are for them with china Uh, sort of slowing faster than people expected I think apple thought will have time to sell up in china grow our business there To the point that we'll be able to get the indian market ready for these higher priced phones And and be buying phones there and there's a gap because they're not getting as many sales out of china And the indian market isn't to the point where they're ready to spend that extra money just to get that apple brand Uh, and we can decide that maybe the apple brand isn't as strong as it was But I think it still is I mean my wife watches all these chinese dramas And there's apple products all over them because that's the aspiration. That's what you want to have You want to have that sexy phone? Having an apple logo on it is an indication of that. So I don't think they've lost that I think the market isn't cooperating with the trajectory they hoped to be on I I totally agree with you the thing with aspirational phones is and i'm going to use a car analogy BMWs are an aspirational car for a lot of people People want one but they can't afford this year's model. What do they do? They will buy Last years or two years behind it will still be BMW in this case is still be an iphone may not be the latest one But you still get that aspirational phone without necessarily Where they made plenty of money because people bought older iPhones And they actually and the iphone 10 sold just fine and that may be what happens again for apple They sell plenty of iphone 7s in emerging markets and they sell just as many iphone 10s as they they expected to and they're fine You know who else is fine everyone in our subreddit. Thanks to everybody who participates You can submit stories and vote on them at daily tech news show dot reddit.com We are also on facebook hang out with us there facebook.com slash groups slash daily tech news show All right, let's check in with chris christensen amateur traveler who's sharing some news out of japan About travel assisted by robots. This is chris christensen from amateur traveler with another tech in travel minute and robots They're doing a test where they've done a test by the time you hear this at the osaka in japan Railway station with an ai robot which has knowledge of different tourist destinations and train schedules This is in japanese and english and with written words on the screens So both locals and foreigners can use this to maneuver through the train station or to get to specific tourist destinations apparently they're also testing this in kyoto at the train station and unfortunately Both of these tests were just before I have a trip scheduled to both kyoto and osaka So no robots in my future. I'm chris christensen from amateur traveler Yeah, I saw actually one of the uh, the soft bank, uh robots when I went I traveled to tokyo one time But it was mobbed. I couldn't use it because everybody was was like, oh check out the robot Like it wasn't really that useful But i've seen no robots at any railway stations in japan But I have definitely even though the the rail system is wonderful throughout the country I have definitely been the osaka train station kyoto as well and and there are there Depending on how vast the train station is it could be very confusing. Yeah, I the osaka one. I remember managing okay Maybe I just didn't have to do anything very complicated. But man the kyoto station is massive It has a whole big department store in it and everything so I could have used some robot help there for sure Right. Well chris, uh get back to us when you uh when you do uh encounter the robots and let us know how they go And we'll take a look at the mailbag Yeah, you know, so michael, uh, I thought that this was good because we're coming up on some of our holiday special shows And one of those shows is always the predictions that we have for the for the coming year michael says happy 13th anniversary to that prediction show I made the suggestion back in 2005 and the buzz out loud lounge and it makes me happy that the tradition is still going Have you ever done a special where you replayed predictions from 10 years ago to see how accurate or how not accurate those predictions turned out? No, that's a cool idea. I know We could we could definitely maybe see if we could get veronica or molly Around for for a special. I don't know if we'll do it this year or not But that's a fantastic idea michael and once we do it 10 years later. You can remind us One that suggested that as well. He's got other Ideas 13 years going strong michael's on the case No, that's good though because we do look at predictions from a year ago But a decade that changes things somewhat No, it'd be fun to because a lot of times what happens is you'll predict something It doesn't happen that next year, but it does happen like two years later after that You never get to go back and be like I was just ahead of my time Uh, yes. Well, uh, thanks to our patrons at patreon.com slash dtns For supporting us. It's patron. Thank you day And we cannot thank you enough You guys keep us independent. 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He says, yeah, I did diamond hope sam enjoyed that program. He says I'm into it Are you looking at weirdo I can show you guys Yeah, good stuff. Good stuff good analysis of the apples Apples to apples test to test Yes, well apples apples oranges to oranges Instagram fights for the users Are you giving us titles? Yes, sorry The apples oranges to oranges I couldn't tell if that was a title or not. Oh, no, sorry I was just that was just roger being clever That was the end roger being clothes tag roger being clever open tag titles instagram fights for the user got it. Yes um The vulture circle the vulture circle apple again Don't you want the park amongst ourselves while you review them? um There's seven in here Oh, not that many No, you're in vote folks Actually only one person voted fake a wish foundation I don't understand that one. I don't either Which show it goes with it's funny Yeah uh Yeah Well, all right apples cutting production Why apples cutting iphone production? How about that sure Or um apple slices its production But we don't Why apples slicing iphone production? Yeah, why apple slicing iphone production? um Yes, I like that one. Uh, it reminds me of afterschool snacks um I don't know if you guys Had what it was the afterschool snack was always It was uh sliced apples with peanut butter. Hmm or um sliced uh celery with cream cheese. Oh I had both those as snacks, but they weren't particularly afterschool snacks for me Yeah, I don't know why i'm calling them afterschool snacks I guess I just because I was like at the babysitters and that's what we would get Um, but uh, so it reminds me of afterschool stuff So well something that's like it's not lunch. It's not dinner I just had a bag of uh barbecue corn chips Oh It's probably something I would have liked a lot as a kid I mean now that I think of celery and cream cheese. I'm like, how is that a snack yuck, but it as a kid I was like, this is like super normal and yummy. That's what I ate my uh barbecue corn chips with cream cheese Oh Like they used to sell little uh, they used to sell I think they still might but uh, philadelphia cream cheese They came in the little flat silver Kind of uh, oh, yeah, they still have those so I would buy one of those in the bag I just kind of eat them on the way home. Huh I mean that that actually sounds good. Maybe I just don't eat enough celery these days I had a lot of that So you always hear about two like raw celery is supposed to eat and you're supposed to wash it So that's like, I don't know if we're really getting Washing celery or the some same in that way. Yeah, you want to buy a wash or or wash it yourself. That's true. Yeah. Yeah You can get those wash nibs to carrot nibblets. I still wash them Even if even you do even if it's really the eyes specifically buy I'm sick all the time. Yeah, because you're exactly you're over washing too much You don't have enough to inoculate you you need more germs. That's your problem, Roger. It's you clean Um, no, I always buy the like pre-washed uh spinach or arugula or you know salad mix or whatever and I don't wash that Spinach spinach makes sense Because if you ever tried to wash spin spinach Grows very close to the ground if you pick it up and you wash it a lot of sand and dirt in it like a lot Right down by the stems particularly like not so much the upper leaves. I'll wash the whole thing You have to but you know, it depends on how they pick them and pack them by the stems. You'll see a lot of dirt But but but the pre-washed You know packets, you know, and they'll say like washed, you know, triple washed or whatever It's like, I don't know. It seems pretty washed to me. I don't ever wash that stuff again I don't know if I should probably washing it better than I would Right. Yeah, exactly. Yeah. Yeah, you're never getting like a little like dirt green and you're so let me ask you this Since you say it since you mentioned that tom I'm gonna ask you and sarah when you wash grapes. How do you wash grapes? Seems like a trick question that I'm gonna get I put so I I If I'm washing grapes, it's because I've bought a bunch of grapes. Yes, and I put them in a colander And then I wash them and I let them, you know dry sometimes I might pat a little with paper towel Yeah, I actually pretty close to what I do. I do the same thing. I put them in a colander I turn them around wash them up and then I put them on a paper towel to dry So do you pluck them from the stems or you leave them on the stem? No, I leave them on the stem Uh, because that keeps them fresher if you pluck them, then they go bad faster Yeah, I pluck them all it's like picking a flower And then I individually pick each one or I try to and just kind of run it through my fingers and rub it and Go through the whole pile But then you have to decide how many grapes you want to eat right then I eat a lot of grapes then you've got a bunch of like you've got a bunch of loose grapes See, I never I don't want to graze soon the same way that a blue whale eats a giant ball of krill I eat a big colander That you now have pre-plucked them and you can just eat them without having to work for it But that's how they should be. I mean, that's how the emperors of Rome guys Plucking a grape from a stem is not work No, but but isn't it nicer if you just have a big bowl of grapes that are unplugged and then you know As long as you dry them and you store them on the upper tier of your refrigerator You're fine for for for a few days And then like, you know, if I have a late night snack and I want something healthy But has enough juice. I don't need to drink water Spray up like a fistful of grapes You can get you can get around to having that glass of water if you eat enough grapes It's it's that moment where you just want to eat something and you don't want to work at it And you end up eating something bad because it's easier that having that bowl of grapes would be good Okay, so next question red or green And But I go I like to I like to go red because I think they're prettier, but they don't really taste any different to me They don't taste that much different red the green the green thompson grapes can be juicier I do I do avoid the grapes with the really thick skin. I avoid the grapes of wrath Because they get any Not a steinbeck fan. No, uh, actually That's one of my favorite books, but neither here nor there. I Don't eat grapes that often. I'll be honest. I love them. I don't either I think they're really good for regularity Oh, yeah Grapes are very high in sugar though. Yeah, they're a sweet fruit Um, you know depending on dietary stuff a lot of people actually avoid them for that reason See, I love having grapes on hand because I like cheese and crackers And if you add some grapes to a little cheese and cracker plate, it just looks so nice Handful of almonds then you've got it got a whole thing You're a little uh, a little juice break when you're eating your cheese and crackers. It's an palette cleanser Yeah, where you do a little brie on the grape That's good, too But I don't eat a lot of like I don't need a lot of dessert things. I don't eat like Cake or ice cream or something in the evenings. I just eat like fruit me either. Yeah, I'll do like, um I'll do like yogurt and honey Some blueberries whatever I feel like I want to eat Candy, I will eat an apple or an orange or a pear And then that usually takes it away get your sucrose or fructose. Yeah, yeah, you get that little boost and then What do we want fructose? What do we don't want fructose? That's my I then I chant that and Eileen's like shut up. I'm trying to hear my chinese drama Yeah, they've all got iphone They're all got iphone Well, I don't know about your neck of the woods everybody, but mine is Pretty gloomy kind of looks like rain even yeah, we're supposed to get rain here Wednesday. Oh really? Oh good Well, my mom is coming into town tomorrow. She's going to be here through Um the Thanksgiving holiday. So well, that's great. Yeah just in time for some rain Which I haven't seen since I've lived here So I don't even know what rain feels like here a week ago They were predicting the rain would start Tuesday and last all the way through sunday And I was like, oh that's really going to test my new roof But we need the rain Then it kept smaller and smaller until this morning I looked and it was like rain on wednesday with a 10 chance thursday So it really shrunk down. I wouldn't be surprised if it keeps Wednesday was supposed to be rainy according to weather.com Wednesday in my area is now mostly sunny Oh, wow. Well, I yeah, I'm with utah. I mean if it rained Every day for the next month. I would not complain. However I was by russians. Yeah If you're roof leaks, then you can complain but yeah, I don't know mom in town new neighborhood I want to walk around it would just be like great to not have to be under a Under a roof Most of the weekend just If you're your forecast not having rain, it makes me think we're not even going to get it It's just not going man. I really just need it. So I I hate watering the lawn Even if even if I have automatic sprinklers, I hate the process It just seems like I just want nature to take care of it for like at least one season Well, I hate having to pay for putting water on a lawn. I'm with you Yeah, but I'm always go desert landscaping. Yes, it's it's not cheap Yeah Pace for itself though because once you yeah, it's it but having replaced a lot of things lately I'm probably not going to do I was thinking about that it's expensive But also my neighbor had a dirt like front yard like there's like screw it We're not going to water this for because it was the middle of the the drought like four years ago And I was talking to him and then the city just came around and finally said yeah Put something in there. Yeah, but that's your city. My city is not so picky So we're curious But if you do desert landscaping, it's it that's allowed. There are a couple people on my block that have it I'm going to put a gavi China gavi plants Well, yeah, you do you do like sand and rock with some some like mini palms and agaves and some other succulents Looks nice. It doesn't use much water. My wife loves that word succulents I've had two friends of mine send me succulents in the mail as housewarming presents, which was very nice of them That was nice and in both cases I wrote I texted them us you see and then Sent that and then wrote sorry your succulents arrived is what I meant to type Use the joke twice, huh? Well, yeah now they know to seek it out I had no it's though Where are those plants that you can get that you hang that are like you just need to miss them like air plants That's what I always call them Wait, no, that's the thing They'd usually know they kind of just exist Usually, which is why they're good for like little hanging things because they so would love that for a Friday lawn like something I don't ever have you want an air fern for your lawn That'd be great. I mean you do have to pay attention to them. You just don't water them normally I'll see you next time on occasion as I walk by. Yeah, you're looking good Looking good air fern nice job Don't want the bedbugs bite dead and you stem awesome There are some um technology engineering and math there are a lot of um Very creative front lawns Front landscaping situations Around my neighborhood and some of them. Yeah, there's there are a few that are very succulent heavy And they're always the nicest, you know, and they often have kind of that that Kind of stare tear type of a thing. Um, they look really nice Yeah, but again, it's a certain style. Some people want a lawn or something else. Well, I don't I think it depends on, you know, what are the front windows looking at? You know, do you want a tree? It's it's I do a tree Look, I I get that it's really nice to look out over a thick field of green grass It is lovely. I don't get relaxed when I look at it slowly dying and then yeah paying for the water to keep it green. That's yeah, it's not being relaxing at that point Yeah Poor vote all I see is a summer full of mowing lawns And then taking care of just why why would you have it? It's just hey the neighbor kid Yeah, when we back in back in the day when we had acreage I mean, I remember my dad mowing the lawn would be like it was like an afternoon activity Took him a long time. You gotta go back and fight You know, he'd be he'd be out there mowing for hours And that just seemed normal to me and now I'm like I can't imagine My dad would never let us mow the front lawn But he'd let us mow the back lawn because the back was the largest part of it But I don't think he wanted the neighbors to see us Mowing right, right Which I think is hilarious because he usually didn't care much about what other people thought So I'm not sure what what is I mean yards are great If you have like pets that you want to let let run out or kids run around but I don't have a rear lawn. I just have a front. It's too narrow to really do anything except Make sure it doesn't die Oh lawns My little backyard doesn't actually Hold on. Oh, sorry because it's look at the clock. Oh I'm sorry. It's time to say they're leaving the video people are leaving. We have to wish them. Goodbye. Thank you for for coming Thank you for staying and watching some leftovers with you It's we won't eat at all and come back tomorrow Audio with grapes in hand grapes for you