 So we're joined by the founder of Activate. It's a pleasure, into the Viper's Nest, the heart of the hard left. This is Thomas Wellington, thanks for joining us Thomas. It's a pleasure Aaron, pleasure Michael. We've had a bit of a pushback from our audience but we thought it's important, it's a big story. So much for the tolerant left. Well, I mean... We're going to keep this about you man. We're going to keep this exact list, let's just try and keep it civilised. Folks on Activate, it's a big story. Activate has sought to identify itself as a sort of Tory analogue to momentum. There's been some teething problems, it's fair to say. First question, will Activate be carrying on? Is it over? What's the score? It's been a try in a few weeks. We've had a split in the organisation, we've had a couple of controversies. There was one group of Activate who wanted to be a kind of Theresa May fan club. No real political vision, they're gone. We are now focused on getting the next Prime Minister of Britain into number 10. And who's that? Jacob Riggs Morg. We've got Morg Mentum on our side, nothing's going to stop us now. Right, so this is the split within Activate is Pro-May and Pro-Morg. Pro-Morg. So that's the split. So the Pro-May's, they're gone. Don't think about them, they're gone. I know there's a split but it was unclear to me until today that this was why. They might be at their branch meetings, they might activate, nothing to do with them. Right, okay. Were you aware of the WhatsApp group and the comments made in regard to gassing chabs? Children. Right. Whom's them on us as children but they're gone. We have laws in this country, we have conservative values and they're gone. It is illegal to gas people in this country. It is very much against the law. But I mean morally do you not find it quite problematic as well. Forget the law for a second, do you not disagree with it? We have conservative values. Everyone, I mean you've got to understand the reaction to this by most people hasn't been. These are just children. Most people don't think of children and think they talk in WhatsApp group about gassing chaves and I think what most people would say is that your organisation is only going to attract people who are, who have some quite unpleasant views about the world actually. I mean how are you trying to attract young people to conservatism and are we not going to see scandal after scandal after scandal of people who fundamentally want to promote it? We're not living in a world of polished people, you know, managerial politics. David Cameron, Tony Blair, Clinton, you know, we have, we're in the age of Sanders, Trump, Corbyn, you know, so the people come from the grassroots. You want to be the UK alt-right. You said Trump, presumably you're Trump, you're not Sanders or Corbyn. You want to be the UK alt-right. Pepe Frogs, Richard Spencer. I mean I think memes have their place. Are we the alt-right? It's different culture. It's different political culture. But you said that you identified conservative values. You're backing Jacob Rees-Mogg. You've just drawn. He's a true Tory. He's a true Britain. But you said you don't like the politics even of a David Cameron and you identified somebody, you know, on a pile with Clinton or Blair. So what are those conservative values? If they're not the values of David Cameron, but then you're citing a sort of political moment, we're in, and you're identifying Trump. I mean, what are those conservative values? It's traditional values of, I mean, look at Jacob Rees-Mogg. He has, you know, an air about him, which hearkens back to better times of, you know, prosperity where we made things. Right. And this is something Trump talks about. But what, I understand he's posh, but what's that got to do with an industrial policy? I mean, do you have any policies? Where the, does momentum have any policies? Well, that's a good point, I suppose. It's a good question. Yeah, it's a good point, yeah, yeah. No, but it has an agenda that drives it, and they're open about that. It's progressive value. Progressive value is a more democratic society, a more equal society. So what does that actually want? We're in Jacob Rees-Mogg into number 10 with his family, his pets. The entire estate, the Mogg estate will be in number 10. All right, let's forget the motivations. Let's forget the politics or what drives you. Do you have the power to get Jacob Rees-Mogg into number 10? How's this going to happen? Yeah. Are there Tory MPs who want the same thing as you do you think? I mean, that's for the Conservative Party to decide. We are an independent organisation, and we will lobby our local MPs as momentum does. Right, okay. Well, I think that's... Yeah, I think that's all we need to know. Yeah, I mean, what next for Act of A? What's the next big thing? We have a press release. Yeah. We are breaking with the leadership of the Conservative Party. Yeah. We are going hard with Jacob Rees-Mogg, and he, you can see on our Twitter page, we have a press release, and it is online. The only Activate page on Twitter. Go on there. Our press release is there. Join the movement. Let's activate Britain. There's obviously a number of parodies, but that's the real one. It's a grassroots movement. You're going to have parodies. Well, I mentioned a lot of parodies to be fair. Okay, well, thanks for that, Thomas. We are back next Monday. I think that's it. We're doing a Tisgy Sal this week. Yeah, we're going to do a Tisgy Sal this week. Navarra FM is back on Friday, but we will see you on the fix next Monday. You've been wonderful. See you next week.