 Good afternoon ladies and gentlemen. Welcome to Ayana meet Plaza Jakarta Indonesia. My name is Melati Dewi I will help to moderate in the panel discussion But before that let us open the second session in the second half of the day Let's give a round of applause ladies and gentlemen Now it's working. So Salamat Siyang Dan Abakaba I'm also really fine because you are here and we have this great You have this great event or we have great panelists and I'm here to give you a very short introduction about our Institute Humboldt Institute for Internet Society and a little bit some words maybe about your project so We have also provided of course some slides and I have to say people like provided the slides in English and But also in Bahasa Indonesia I'm Isaiah Stefan as I said and as I also said I'm here for the Humboldt Institute for Internet Society I hope you can and see it here. We are a research Institute studying Internet and digitalization We are of course interested in all these more technical topics management So what is what is the impact of technology of especially digital technologies like AI on The society so I mean it's pretty obvious that innovations have a big impact on societies and we are studying the more positive and challenges and also the negative consequences of So that's our research interest and we are also not only a research Institute So but we are also very much focused on Knowledge transfer so to use the academic knowledge also on the ground learn learn from local projects And to each other. That's the idea and this event is embedded in Bigger project and it's called sustainability enterprise ship and global digital transformation And it's the funding we have funding from the Deutsche gesellschaft for internationalism abide on the behalf of the German federal ministry of economics cooperation and development and The goal is also to have this knowledge transfer and have Also to have some kind or to start some kind of collaboration with different actors Especially from the south about sustainability and the nurse ship Yeah, and to dig it to digital and you see our partner countries So we are active at the moment on for continents America a lot of partner countries, of course and Africa Only one country in Europe. I mean we are based in Berlin in Europe. So if you are in Berlin, please And two countries and it's easier Recently we were in Vietnam and now we are in Indonesia and it's a real pleasure to be here as I said and maybe Give me the chance to also say a few words about Our topic our research topic why we are interested in this. So the idea is to uncover a bit this kind of challenges the potential also potential of Digital technologies and I mean when I speak about digital technologies I speak about very different digital technologies like GIS data But also social media and Twitter data and how we could use all these different kinds of data and tools to make sense And to foster rainforest protection. So that's the aim and we have some guide guiding questions that we also recently discussed It's about Education how could we educate people what is the role of open data because we know we there are a lot of data in the world but of course to make sense of the data you need education but there's also need for a kind of an open data and the last point is this funding question and That's That was that's the idea of this event and we also conducted a study and I will hand over to Roland He's conducting the study the conduct the study is also about these topics and he's in the process of data collection and Analyzing the current digital tools that are used in Indonesia for wait for And over to Roland. Thank you very much. Dr. Bond Let's invite Mr. Roland. He will deliver several key Findings he represent the AIIG Thanks everyone and thanks Stefan nice to see so many of you here today so as Stefan mentioned I Looked with a colleague at how digital technologies currently being used in Indonesia to support rainforest protection and to make rainforests more resilient and When we talk about resilience, we basically look at three elements. First of all, we look at How do we prepare for the shocks and disturbances that will affect the rainforests within the country? So this is very much around the monitoring side of things How is technology being used to respond to the threats? So what do we do once we know? There is maybe a forest fire or there are cyclones coming in or whatever All right, and I'm very pleased that we have an excellent speaker today on our panel that live practical examples about this But then lastly for resilient rainforest to be truly resilient We need them to recover and to revitalize after a shock or disturbance takes place So we also try to understand what role does technology currently play in this And sadly, that's an area where we don't see that much action yet But hopefully our panelists can indicate some some areas of development where we see more work around restoring rainforest using technology so without repeating myself from either this morning or the study that we will eventually publish as well on this just a few key topics or opening questions for you to think through as we enter the panel discussion and the first one is around digital literacy particularly What role technology can play? And what role stakeholders can play in it making sure that people can use The information that currently exists and implemented in the ground So what we see is that in Indonesia that there's an incredible human resource space There are a lot of time for the people who can use the most modern GIS technology Etc. But we see that there is a challenge on the ground especially at local community forestry projects of Using this we see that there is enormous potential to engage with communities in biodiversity monitoring But for that to be effective the tools and technologies need to be adapted and people need to understand how to use them So there is a big question around digital literacy Well, secondly when we talk about open data, we see that they star increasingly available We now have free satellite imagery available through land stat and through sentinel images from the European Space Agency But these are not always accessible for people and projects Again, especially the smaller ones at local or community level Do not always have the skills to analyze and process the data that exists yet We've seen in the past 10 15 years with that Computing that new opportunities arise to work with global players or stakeholders here in Jakarta To do some of the analysis and processing So I would very much like to have a discussion around how do we open up data that exists How do we close the gap from? technological possibilities to practical action on the ground And then thirdly it's about livelihoods I think everyone in this room and globally Benefits tremendously from the vital functions of rainforests as a carbon sink as a viable ecosystem But we shouldn't forget that from the the tens of millions of Indonesians that depend on the rainforest Conserving them might not be a prime priority. They have more direct and pressing needs for their life So we need to think about sure Rainforest protection is important. It's something we all care about But we also need to understand this in a changing world whereby there is increased Global demand on forest resources Timber be it minerals on the ground or be it palm oil production So how can we use technology to support people in developing livelihoods that are sustainable and allow us all globally and in Indonesia to benefit from the rainforest I look forward to particularly one of our speakers who is really an expert in helping to come up with sustainable solutions that are driven by technology And with that, I'll hand back the mic Thank you so much Mr. Roland. Give a warm applause Ladies and gentlemen, without further ado, let's start the panel discussion Hold on, I will not sing today Because despite the microphone is gold color But I will not sing. I will only speak about rainforest protection in Indonesia So good afternoon ladies and gentlemen, welcome to the multi-stakeholder dialogue Discussing digital technologies for rainforest protection I hope colleagues, you have had lunch And we all are healthy and enthusiastic to share our knowledge in this panel discussion So are you ready? I didn't hear any responses. Are we ready? Ah, less enthusiastic. Can you be more enthusiastic? Okay, that's good. So let's start Just like an old saying, if you don't know then you cannot care So I hope you can, by knowing me, you can care about me So allow me to introduce myself. My name is Melati Dewi I am a professional communication strategy and language specialist I have worked with GIZ in the last two decades as an independent consultant Several last projects that we have done are transfer programs Transfer program is a government of Germany and government of Indonesia Collaboration program to facilitate mitigation action in the area of transportation, energy, water and climate change And project case. Case is clean, affordable and secure energy for Southeast Asia This is ongoing program until 2034 And the last program that we are delivering is GII Project or Green Infrastructure Initiative Today I will be the moderator. And this is a true honor to moderate the panel discussion today So without further ado, let us start So, see me as doing a monologue, so hopefully it will not bore you So colleagues, as we all know, Indonesia has one of the most biodiverse land forests in the world That is valuable for the surrounding communities and bring benefit to the global climate To protect forests, preventing illegal differentiation and promote sustainable development in Indonesia Along with this objective, the use of digital solution is increasing This includes the use of drone and satellite to collect data to share solution and best practices And the use of diverse data collection to build vegetation and climate model However, this technology development comes with a big challenge This discussion panel has the objective to discuss about the segment and aspect of rainforest protection By using technology in a broader context and intended to the stakeholders That has interest to promote public debate about the challenges and possibilities The panel discussion will cover political aspect, government representative, technological expert And representative from NGO with the context to preserve diverse Indonesian environment So, I would like to invite the panelists to come to the stage Let's welcome, first I would like to invite Mr. very young speakers Mr. Muhammad Areza Mustahid or in short Bogey So, welcome Mr. Bogey So, if we hear Ali Topan, what comes into our mind? Ali Topan is a street name So, he is an AI expert So, similar to Ethan Han And the second panelist is Restu Aminullah Now, Mr. Bogey is full stack engineer lead from UN Global Post Lab Second, we have Restu Aminullah He is senior product manager from Born New Nature Foundation So, let's come to the stage, Mr. Restu Aminullah The third panelist is Mr. Faris Kuku Harwinda Senior product manager from Cultiva Mr. Kuku, please come join us on the stage So, Bogey, aka AI expert Restu is special expert from reading his portfolio Kuku is AI expert So, everything related to tech is associated to him Fin tech, ugly tech, climate tech It seems that the position is not really fair Now, Mr. Kuku would like to move to this seat Because, I am going to switch my position So, to make it more comfortable and convenient Let's focus on the presentation Now, we have time limitation So, I cannot read the portfolio of the AI tech And the special expert because they have a long portfolio So, I am afraid we don't have enough time But, we can share the link to let you know who is Bogey Who is Restu, who is Kuku So, I would like to know first from Mr. Bogey You have a very cute name, I believe there is a story behind that However, we are talking about technology We wake up in the morning, we immediately grab our mobile phone So, we immediately turn on our mobile phone to check our work To take selfie, to check social media And technology is very close to all of us And we see there is UN Global Post Lab So, we would like to understand what Bogey is doing under the UN Global Post Lab So, maybe you can share with us what are the leading projects that you are doing And what are the progress and what actually you do So, again, I would like to invite Can we have more microphone? Can someone help us to get more microphone? Okay, let's give another round of applause to Mr. Bogey Over to you Yes, thank you so much madam So, my name is Bogey, you can just call me Bogey I am full spec, full stack engineer elite Under the UN Global Post Lab We have four labs in New York, India, Kampala and Indonesia Now, UN Post Lab in Jakarta is one of the big data labs Collaboration between the government of Indonesia and UN And because this is a lab, then our focus is in research and innovation Meaning that what kind of innovation that we can deliver And we have two subjects, qualitative research and social science And second, quantitative research We have data team, data engineering, data analytics and so on The focus of my work is actually coding On daily basis, I do coding for data collection and data communication So how data is collected, processed to build AI And become dashboard or visualization that can provide ease For the decision maker in making decision based on certain analysis Jakarta Post Lab has been established since 2012 until 2022 And the contract is 10 years between UN and the government of Indonesia And if I can say this is our last year Officially, we actually have six more months until next year But we will not stop because we plan to expand our way Becoming a United Nations Global Post as a Pacific So from Jakarta, expand to as a Pacific region We hope that our work can bring impact to other countries as well With regard to the research or works that we are doing In the end of this project, we are building natural language processing for report Because every agency will have a report So we are trying to do summarise Because more report, more difficult to understand the core information from each report So that is one of our research We are focused to extract the core information from each report Maybe summarisation, classification from tax mining processing That is what data team is doing We also have another project, the left no one behind project I believe you are familiar with this project Because we also focus in that area And now we are focusing in statistics to find things that can help people with disabilities So we would like to build a system that can help bring impact to them directly It is still in data procession, information procession stage And that is the last two research that we are doing until June 2023 Maybe that's all for now Yes, thank you so much So a brief story from our AI experts I will now move to Mr. Kuku Now Mr. Kuku, I was surprised I thought you are a band player Because you are very, look very, well very associated to musician Now what is Kultiva, Mr. Kuku Maybe you can share a story about what Kultiva is And what Kultiva is doing, what are the progress over to you Good afternoon ladies and gentlemen So my name is Kuku And I believe I have been introduced I work in a company in a private sector named Kultiva Kultiva itself is a technology company that is environment based Climate and agriculture environment based company So whatever we are doing, we try to deliver innovation in technology That can provide more insights to our clients in their supply chain So in this regard we usually are partnering with major corporation Work in food and agriculture So they often doing raw material sourcing And at the same time they would like to ensure Whether they got the raw material coming from farmers Who are practicing good agricultural practice And whether they producing in a sustainably manner or not So in this area we try to provide technology that can help our clients To ensure all the environment aspect To ensure the sustainability aspect So in the social aspect So Mr. Kuku has presentation that can help us to provide insights About what Kultiva is doing and the progress Okay we have the presentation Mr. Christian, okay we have the pointers So technically what kind of progress that we have So as you can see on the screen So our focus we are trying to provide data Data to the end customer about the sustainability and impact So have you ever imagine when you eating something Have you ever think if you eat like cassava Where the cassava coming from, who are the farmer And whether the farmer is underpaid Or is it in the minimum wage level Or whether they apply in a sustainable agricultural practices We never know And it is very difficult to trace it back to those aspects So what we are doing in Kultiva is illustrated like this So we try to develop product or software In which the business model We try to sell this product as services So every company who work with us They can access these services Like we start from the GU tracing system We try to find out, try to identify who the farmers are Based on the coordinate or the location of their plantation And we take polygon samples This is like polygon comes in different sites So we try to identify the size of the farmer's plantation And then visualize on a map So after the data collection and GU tracing data is collected What we do next We try to find the GU special verification We try to verify the data that we have collected So that we can determine whether one farmer practicing good practice So we also gather data from the research conducted by several NGO or government agencies In which they share data set about the coordinate of the conservation area So usually on the map it comes in the form of layer So the form is layer and then we try to overlay that with our layer Using the application that we have developed And we can see in the form of dashboard and in the form of map Whether the farmers land overlap with the conservation area And from that aspect we can find one parameter Whether the farmer is doing sustainable way or not Not stopping there, we from Cotiva also try to make sure the carbon emission We also involve in several carbon project Still in the initiation stage And lastly, biochar We are exploring in biochar as well And not stopping there, Cotiva We have one product or one application That can help the seller and buyer to do transaction and to book the transaction And when that transaction is documented in a standard trading Then in the second mobile apps you can find, you can see a map and points That show the movement of raw materials Starting from the farmers, going to the traders, going to processors or warehouse And then move to the end product Let's say you eat chocolate in the wrapping You can see the QR code and when you scan the QR code You can get the information about the farmer, about the supply chain And about the sustainability aspect So more or less those are the work that we are doing Very good, Goku I think we need to give a round of applause to Goku And let's invite Mr. Rustu to explain about Borneo Nature Foundation What project that Rustu is doing along with his team And Rustu also has presentation that he would like to share with us So good afternoon everyone Yes, good afternoon Rustu Good afternoon Rustu My name is Rustu Aminolo I am from Borneo Nature Foundation This is a NGO foundation that works in the area of conservation research Community empowerment and to raise community awareness from the education program that we have With regard to BNF or Borneo Nature Foundation It is based in Central Kalimantan in Palangkaraya And then we also do protection activities Rainforest protection activities We work in three landscapes Pitland landscape in Sembangau National Park And Kerangas landscape In Ruman And Borito Hulu landscape With regard to our experience in using technology Especially using air image Using drone And using Rainforest MCN technology We have extensive experience since 2015 Which all of us know during that period Indonesia experiencing multiple forest fires in the rainforest And utilizing drone technology to protect forest area Especially in rainforest area So in here we would like to play a video of the result that we have so far Can you help me to play the video So in here we can see the pit swamp forest that is located in Central Kalimantan province So in here I would like to introduce what Rainforest is Now Rainforest is a forest, a rainforest located in Indonesia And this is a pitland forest in Central Kalimantan province We will play the challenges that face The challenges to maintain the sustainability of the rainforest And one of the challenges is forest fire Technology really helpful in doing activities on rainforest And using thermal drone We can identify the spread of the hot spots That causing forest fires This is an illustration of forest fire that happened in 2019 Especially the forest fire that happened in Sebangau National Forest We also work with the local people in which we establish a community A community called the community who care about fire or MPA We also conducted patrol to protect the forest Making sure forest fire is not happening again We try to prevent forest fire, we try to prevent illegal logging Try to prevent illegal fishing as well The distance is 7 meters, 20 centimeters We also use drone technology to detect the spatial distribution of the orangutan The spatial distribution of orangutan So a little bit more So those are short clips that I just played Explaining the reason why we do protection towards the rainforest And technology is created to help us to do protection and to help our work in protecting the rainforest Thank you so much Mr. Ristur This is a knowledge that we need to know more And considering the current condition, considering the programs made by UN, Pulsarab, Koteva and BNF I believe this is a very good achievement People think that technology comes from foreign countries We are waiting the foreign countries to develop with some kind of new technology To provide software and so on and so forth But domestically, technology has developed very far We would like to know learning from the experience from the local project And knowing from the local experts on the ground Learning from Koteva, UN Pulsarab, BNF, those are enablers We have the technology, we have the software, we have the application, we have the design We have the mapping, however, challenges are always there Maybe you can share the challenges that always exist in every period of time Even though the technology has been updated Even though we have updated the team, the experts What challenges that always come up and always exist in every opportunity Maybe we can start from Bobi Ghe, you can share about the challenges you are facing Consistently Yes, this is something that we have studied Try to identify what actually the biggest challenge that we face Our lab often developed technology that we provided to the government for implementation As simple as dashboard or analytical dashboard Then can provide illustration about the current condition About the data behind that and to help the government creating the policy The biggest challenge is the black box, the existence of black box So even though the research has come out with something It doesn't immediately translated into a policy So the information that the result has come out with That information goes into a black box A black box is like a close meeting that government is doing And we cannot intervene, we cannot access the black box And we don't know what happened in the black box We only contribute the information that comes from our research In which we hope the decision at least At least consistent or aligned with the result of the research But not always the case Sometimes the policy is inconsistent When the policy is out It's not consistent with the result of our research So whatever result, whatever research that we have come out with It goes into the black box and we don't know what the process behind that And then it comes with the policy that is not consistent Not always consistent Now from that experience we learned that the research, the technology, the analysis Not always a bitterly come out with consistent policy So what we can do as a researcher The dashboard analytics should not become too sophisticated You know, we need to provide a dashboard that doesn't have to provide a huge result Maybe just a simple forecast, just like a simple as there will be a forest fire that will happen And when that alert warning goes into the government or goes into other government agencies They can trace back And every alert and every action that should be reported that will become another data So from alert action and then it becomes a data We will collect data that will provide insights and then help us to give prediction So address the challenge on how to break the black box Then I think the solution we have to give information in a simple way, in a gradual way From alert warning, forecast and then goes into prediction I think that is the biggest challenge that we are facing at the moment Because everyone say data for decision maker, data for decision making But it comes with many challenges Now data decision maker in between there's a black box And this is a gap that we need to address How we can interview in the conversation that's happening in the black box We have to make sure that the conversation in the black box also consider the analysis that we come out with Okay, thank you so much, Bogey And then move to RESTU, we see BNF was very extraordinary The video was very good, it makes me want to visit Palangkara So let us go to Palangkara So we see that you use many digital tools like GIS, you use drone You also use social media to empower the knowledge And there are several projects like smart or haze, gazer You use very sophisticated terms Now you have on the ground experience and then combine with the local knowledge Combine with the practices from the experts So again the same what are the challenges that presents that very difficult Like Mr. Bogey say there is this black box, a huge gap in which we cannot address everything We cannot just submit all of the information Now that's from Bogey's side, but what is from BNF's side? Well we utilizing the technology, we actually more on implementator We actually implementing from the existing technology and we further develop it Like from the video, we use thermal drone Previously drone only bring or carry RGB camera but we try to modify We use thermal camera to detect forest fires Now the drone technology utilization in BNF started from the challenges that we found on the ground First about data, the satellite imagery data Usually monitoring done based on satellite images about the hotspot and so on and so forth Now usually hotspot data, we continuously monitor using data from NASA, NASA film data or MODIS satellite imagery And the challenges are the data that we got is not real time For hotspot data, NASA on daily basis will update the hotspot data on daily basis And the same goes in Indonesia we have Lapan, the Indonesian version of NASA However the data is not real time, the hotspot data is updated 2 times in one day in the morning and in the evening or night time Whereby to protect the area in our effort to protect the area from forest fires We need real time data, we don't know when fire can happen And fire can cause by many factors, it can be caused by human like 90% caused by human Like they intentionally cause forest fire First of all to get real time hotspot data, so we know this is the challenge And then we have to strengthen our monitoring effort and conduct patrol during the dry season Indonesia has 2 seasons, the rainy season and the dry season Now during the dry season we try to do more patrol And from the video we can see that we conduct land based patrol from both working with the local community through the community groups that we have established We also use drone in the patrol, we use drone to see and to do real time and continuously monitoring But at the same time we also integrate, we also integrate our use imagery satellite data When we find the hotspot from the satellite imagery data and then we try to verify it using drone And furthermore we try to use technology to touch the site level, how we can use technology to protect the site area Site meaning the direct actor, especially for drone technology is quite exclusive Meaning we have to continuously build the capacity of human resources so that the people can use the technology Because it's a bit exclusive, not everyone has the skill Ok, Kuku from Kualtiva talking about how important traceability is So what is the biggest challenge that always persists even though you have modified things, even though you have built the capacity But this huge challenge always persists, can you share with us? Ok, thank you so much So with regard to challenges in the lens or in the eye of product Because I work in developing technology product so that the client and user can accept the product Now the challenge that always persists in the last few years first We are playing with information where information need to be measured Where data that need to be collected using standardized knowledge so that the data can be used by our client And we hope that the data collection process will not burden the farmers Because we understand our knowledge gap and farmers work in remote area In which internet connection is not available So I think that is the biggest challenge So from the product point of view is how we make sure that the product is acceptable by our data collector, by our field agent Because most of them are former farmers, their age about 45 years old There is no internet connection so that's what the challenges are And I also do one-on-one interview with the collectors to see whether the button is too complex for the farmer And whether a sophisticated visualization like using maps, the supply chain flow, can they understand that And from that series of research that I do, what we always learn and we always try to improve our product So it may improve the engagement with the farmer So they are more open to collect data And in the context of rainforest, they are also more open to government regulation Let's say conservation zone or whether they can do production activities in that area So on the other side, because we are processing the data that we collect from the ground Then my work is more or less similar to Mr. Boghe We also produce analytical dashboard in which that analytical dashboard should be helpful to our client to understand the existing condition on the ground And dashboard should give narrative of what actually happened on the ground So the biggest challenge not only about collecting data but how we can tell a story from the data provided in the dashboard So I have several specific questions to call Tiva How about from the carbon footprint perspective? Now with regard to carbon footprint, it related to science survey that we try to implement in cultivars products We know that carbon footprint is as many people talk about carbon footprint, especially people in Jakarta We know that in Jakarta has huge factories in the suburban area Even agricultural industry also produce carbon, let's say in cattle farming So we are now implementing several projects, several carbon projects to measure these activities We also conduct scientific research to identify which methodology that is relevant to be applied in our product So any carbon survey will be combined with the existing product So we don't have to innovate, we don't have to produce new product But how we can use the existing product to calculate the carbon emission coming from certain agricultural land And this project is still ongoing It's still in research and development phase in which we hope that once we can get data from our farmer We can calculate the carbon emission from one farmer But on average the project that we do is business to business Meaning that we work with several major corporations in which they have many farmers in their company So when we are able to collect all of the data, then we can help to measure whether a company carbon emission wise Whether they produce too much or not, or whether they have tried to save their carbon Whether they have tried to reduce their carbon emission through their operations If what happened based on the final data that the carbon emission is too high Then from Kautiva team usually recommended some initiatives like initiative A, B, C and D Depends on our client's condition So I think we can draw a conclusion that we do have the software, the software is available But the hardware is also important The applied technology is user friendly already But not necessarily it's user friendly Where education is very important to be shared to the users like the independent farmer or the local community To return to the discussion about black box and there's a huge gap So ladies and gentlemen, there should be one more speaker joining from the government side From Bapenas or from the Ministry of Environment and Forestry But unfortunately we don't have any representative from the government Because when we talk about regulations, when we talk about policies, how to establish synergy We should have representative from the government side Unfortunately we don't have any speakers from the policy side But back again to the tools about the technology tool and the challenges Now Mr. Bogey we would like to know UN is an international global organization And you have this haze geyser in which we know this is a tool crisis analysis tool Now can you share with us and this tool is used and proven on the ground And it is working so maybe you can share a little story about this So first of all allow me to share some stories first Haze geyser We say this is a crisis analysis tool which focuses on forest fire Actually the forest fire dashboard or system is already quite many However we try to give something different We don't do forest fire mapping or like other NGO they know the forest fire happening on the ground However haze geyser is actually with our effort to see like when there is forest fire how it will impact the community Now this system maybe to detect forest fires or to see or to forecast where forest fires may happen Now our focus on not on that but we want to see what the impact of forest fires to community And we try to build a dashboard to answer that question First we try to collect satellite data to detect hotspot So when we see hotspot on a lab and this is something that we built in 2015 We identify several hotspot in central Kalimantan and Riau So again when there is forest fire based on the hotspot what will the community will complain about So we try to mine Twitter data, Instagram data, YouTube data and radio data So in here we use artificial intelligence language processing we process video, audio and text data And there are several interesting information that we got For example when there is a forest fire there is one complain or maybe there is one say yay school holiday And some actually happy We also get information like this must be not caused by nature but caused by human So we try to capture this kind of information what kind of signal that come out And there is also a story I would like to apologize in advance first maybe Maybe there is a complain or a screaming that this must be caused by company ABC And that we would like to mine from that information we try to see the impact Some screaming we are the most affected people help us we need clean water So there is information that we try to capture So we don't try to address the forest fire per se but we would like to understand what happened in the surrounding community And then we report this to BNPB, BNPB is the National Disaster Management Agency Now BNPB not only focusing to put down the fire but they also have responsibility to do evacuation And this complain, this cry from the community about clean water, food, masks Often cried by them so when they conduct evacuation or when they do a field visit they understand what they need to bring So that information that we collect from Twitter then from the data from Twitter We try to classify which one goes to health classification which one goes to education It does not that when there is a forest fire it impact many aspects like economy, education and health For the more we try to collect Instagram data Now from Instagram data we can get the actual pictures of the real situation So the policy maker can know even though he sits in Jakarta he can see the pictures and photos of forest fire So they don't understand the case Now what exciting about Instagram people not only photo the forest fires but the evacuating community also has photos There's a hashtag like real forest fire What also funny there are individuals where their photos are about shoes and hashtag real forest fire So they try to sell product but they use this kind of hashtag And there's a photo that vaping and smoking and they use hashtag haze Now those are noise we need to filter we don't want to make sure those noise is not included in our analysis We have to do image analysis making sure that only the relevant pictures that is included Now YouTube is Google's giant they have their own analysis So from YouTube we can provide local information because from the local TV but correct me if I'm wrong Maybe I made a mistake but there are news from the local news that doesn't goes to Jakarta But when they upload video to YouTube and known TV media published in YouTube And those information is being collected we also conduct audio mining So those who cannot see the video we converted into tags Because sometimes the title is forest fire But they talk using Google audio like forest fire and usually we skip those kind of video We also filter the YouTube video only focus videos that can provide accurate information So real time information is what we display and use by BNPB the National Disaster Management Agency With regard to action on the ground with regard to the actual forest fires and the analysis about what caused the forest fire Well we hope it already exists and we hope other NGO and I believe the government has done that Now we actually focus beyond that you know we try to analyze the impact of the forest fire itself It is being used the result is very good unfortunately in 2017 that system has to be cancelled So what happened? So to maintain a system is difficult It died as we all know and there was an invasion of privacy data The social media data that used by campaign So this data is blocked so Twitter data is no longer available Instagram purchased by Facebook and they and YouTube has been updated They have a different policy and the radio is no longer available online So those are our main source of data so we cannot work if you don't have data from this feed But we got lessons learned from the government and from our side We cannot always rely on open data Data is actually new money, data is the new goal So whether we like it or not we need to spend money to connect those data And this is also what you know as an organization we should not only utilizing the available data But you know no matter what all organization must become data provider So we as an organization must feed data but at the same time produce data So when we are unable to purchase data then we can do data exchange So the business model is like data exchange you use my data I use your data And we produce something good so no matter what the organizations are No matter how big or small each organization need to have data And that's something that we can utilize And from that point forward the BNPB start to collect data They try to improve their system so the data become need So when our organization come to their office they can exchange the data So those are the lesson learned that we got when from what open data is being closed And even NASA they also turn off their open data API and we cannot get any info from that So that's the lesson learned we got because data is considered as the new goal Then we also have our we also have you know we need to have our own goal as well So Mr. Rogaleck we can see our microphone has gold color Well anyway I thought mining only happen in the oil and gas sector It turns out mining also happen in the technology context Data information is the new goal so who doesn't have Bitcoin now Who doesn't have cryptocurrency now who doesn't have NFT now So from the user the local community they also collecting this kind of technology So we can see the ripple effect what I can summarize data is the new goal But I also here the local community even though the trending topic hashtag is not related to forest fire And there should be some filter some assessment now moving back to the rule of local community How important the local community what are their contributions to help KOTIVA to help vision and mission KOTIVA and vision and mission of BNF let's start from RESTU What is BNF perspective about the role of local community Well local community is key for protecting the conservation area and to protect rainforest Local community is the front line their function is the guardian of the rainforest itself And for the local community we also learn many things from them For example in doing protection from forest fire They know more about how to protect their own area But at the same time we also build their awareness We try to explain how important forest is we try to raise their awareness about how important forest is We also have program under BNF education to raise community awareness to protect their forest Now in relation to forest we not only talk about forest fire Because forest also provide knowledge especially in Sabana National Park as one of our landscapes In Sabana National Park has high values has many values from the flora and fauna That is highly protected that has high value that must be protected by the local community as well And talking about rainforest there is also a high economic value that is promoted by our government Ha ha beka non timber product like the local community They can produce like crab or weaving and that is the customary of the die people How they can produce non timber like weaving and we try to optimize the local wisdom as well And in the context of forest protection the local community actually if they don't approach to the forest The forest will be safe so our homework is to protect the forest and to make sure people are not entering the forest So that is why we need to establish the community groups when they previously entered the forest to collect timber Which we know timber and wood is protected but we have to find ways how to substitute their livelihood Previously they are illegal loggers they hunt protected animals but we need to find a different livelihood for them And to do that and this is a big homework for all of us We have established the community groups we have implemented community development We have pharma culture working with the local community we also you know to cultivate honey and weaving product So this is a big homework for NGO that focus in this area how to find substituted livelihood And on how to market their non forest product because I am very happy that we have expert we have data expert So many community produce many non timber product Now with regard to technology utilization we utilize technology usually for monitoring the wildlife to monitor forest fires And the challenges that we are facing until now we don't have like a collective organization That can house this technology Maybe we don't have the you know the consortium that also engage the government engage the local stakeholders That engage community engage NGO academia we don't have that kind of consortium yet Maybe if we can build a consortium that house this kind of technology This consortium can do research and development to protect the rainforest So previously BNF has started our movement We are thinking to establish a consortium that we call Drone Center That's the name that comes into our mind Despite the name the function is to conduct research and development in disaster and spatial research And this Drone Center is comprised of BNF academia we try to establish this center Whereby this Drone Center that filled by BNF by academia can conduct joint research to develop this technology So that this technology can goes into the set level Technology there are many technology but we don't know yet who can use the technology If we produce the technology everyone can use it for example We have worked with Liverpool Jim Morris we develop an AI The application called hotspot detection in which the drone can detect where the hotspots are The early hotspots early monitoring detection of pitland fires Because in pitland the fire not only starts from the top but also from the bottom But the homework is where we can bring this technology who will control it who will use it Drone thermal technology is considered as new technology in Asia If I can say maybe only BNF that use thermal drone The products are there but there is no organization that house this technology We have engaged the government and we ask the question where can we bring this And if we only just put it somewhere and not being used but we need to identify who can house this technology We thought that the application the product of this of the Drone Center can be replicated to other government Let's say can be replicated by the BNPB or the National Disaster Management Agency As the implementator of the technology the drone technology that we have developed I think the key lies in our government because we only the user So that this technology can be well distributed up until the set level So the set level can do something as well Okay thank you so much. So this is about upscaling It's about scaling up to what extent we scale up this technology and this is related to the implementer So Mr. Kuku about the lesson learned about the scaling up upscaling And talking about the local communities, the indigenous people Now we would like to hear from you how Cultiva provides access to the local community Because it affected my network and we talk about data sharing So what are your thoughts about this? So talking about local community or smallholder farmers They actually the main actor of any supply chain So when we have the technology as explained earlier technology comes in many types It is very sophisticated and we have many engineers But technology will come to us if it's not being used by the main actor Because technology should help us in doing things easier Now throughout my journey working at Cultiva there are several steps that we try to help the local community We always ask whether the product or the application that we develop or the platform that we develop We ask whether it will fill their needs, the community needs I also explained about how we want to understand the user experience So there are many research from the product team to check whether the product itself is acceptable Or to understand where the pain points are We try to measure the user experience and that will determine our steps to improve the product Now the question is when the product is completed and fulfill the expectation of the local community Then what will be the impact? Well for sure when there is a knowledge gap then it will be easier to address it Because there is a suitability of a product and the user So when the product is suitable then all information, the facilitation, the education will be easier to be developed by the Cultiva implementation team It will have a different case when we release a product that the community cannot accept No matter how big our education effort is it will never be effective But when we develop a product according to their needs then it will help us to develop the right education model for them Second, why local community is important because it helps us to identify Cultiva program Now we have a program called Cultiva Skills in which we involve 100-200 field agents Where we hire them to help us to educate the farmers Not only educating the farmers but they also do data collection So we not only collecting the data but we educate the farmers to understand how important the data is So we get double positive benefit in that effort So once all of the data is collected and then we process it and then we share to the client, to the end user Then what happens next? The company that use the farmer product then they will measure Let's say one farmer is considered sustainable and not producing from conservation zone Then the company will provide more incentive to that farmers So when they have been transaction with that farmers then the price will be premium Compared to other farmers that not yet certified let's say So this is a product that will help the farmers and our clients to help So when the main actor receiving the right incentive, the right product Then I believe the flow of the value chain, the supply chain will be more sustainable Okay, thank you so much Audience, I believe you would like to raise question So I'm going to provide opportunity for anyone who would like to ask questions from the presentation that our panelist has shared So those who would like to ask questions don't forget to mention your name, your organization and to whom your question is intended So we have five minutes for the Q&A session And the Basel Global Team will help to distribute the microphone So ladies and gentlemen, Mr. Thapto, yes miss So get ready, this might come as a trick question Well anyway, please mention your name or maybe you can ask question to all three Okay, my name is Ayu, I'm from the Grand Kit of Temple Group We are from community Okay, anyway, I would like to ask question to Kuku You have explained the initial approach has become easier because you adjust with the needs of the local community So I would like to understand what is the process, how to build rapport with the local community Because when you inform a system or technology to the local community, it should not come easy in the beginning But I understand how you transfer the technology to the local community, that's number one Number two, when the farmers have used the cultivation system, what was the feedback from the system users, which are the local farmers So Kuku, yes, go ahead Kuku Should I address you as a little sister? No, I'm just joking So with regard what efforts that we do to engage the local community, I think that was the question Now our efforts was, so if you ask all the companies who try to provide intervention to the local community, there is also first rejection or resistance They think this is something new that we bring to them and they don't understand And everyone will try their best to convince that our product is the best that can help you with ABC So it is a very long journey and therefore the strategy that Kautiva team was, they did So if we, if the farmer is offered by fertilizer A, fertilizer B As simple as they don't want to use if they don't bring monetary benefit to them And as simple as our approach, we try to come to them, we take one of the example from them and make it as a role model And the role model will receive incentive So at least when one community member receiving incentive, we educate this individual And the individual should be able to influence other community members and how we select the individuals This individual, we make them as a field agent Under the Kautiva project implementation, we have the role of field agent that is responsible to provide education and to collect the existing data So we actually come to them giving them works, giving them monetary incentive so they can enjoy direct impact So that's one strategy that we use and second, what impact actually enjoy by the farmers Because Kautiva business model is B2B, we actually don't work with the farmer directly But say we actually work with the companies who source the raw material from the farmers Let's say a chocolate bar company A, they have list of which farmers that they source their account from They also have the farmer list or list of farmers So the data collecting that we do will go to the first layer, the farmers that has been registered to this company And our job is to check whether they have practiced sustainable method When they have declared they don't do deforestation, they produce everything in the production zoning They don't use antibiotic and so on and so forth So when we have collected all of those data and goes into our system that our system will assess Whether this farmer is eligible to receive the incentive When the farmer declared sustainable then they are eligible to receive the incentive So in every transaction that this farmer have with the company will receive incentive And the incentive will not only come one, it will come multiple times based on the transaction volume that the farmer has with the company So that is the approach Okay, thank you so much Mr. Gokul. Okay, one more question from the audience Let's maintain the spirit, hopefully coffee and tea is available So one more question from the floor from the audience Yes, go ahead madam, can we give the microphone? Don't forget to mention your name, your organization and to whom your question is raised My name is Aunty, I'm from Telusuri, I'm project manager from Telusuri A media company under the temple group I have a question to Mr. Restu Yes, go ahead madam So I have a question And similar to the first question raised by IU Restu also answered that there are surrounding communities You know how to switch their livelihood to become more sustainable How to make them do green jobs So in that process, in that substituting process Were there any resistance when you giving them ideas of doing more sustainable jobs Like Restu said, to protect the rainforest Were there any resistance and what was BNF approach Towards this resistance coming from the local communities And along the way, over time, along the journey of protection monitoring What are the role of local communities in protection and monitoring activities So it is a very smart question, it is a very complex question actually Restu now try to answer We will try to respond by saying this Now usually on the ground, communities seen as the object But now BNF see the community as subject The main actor to protect rainforest I'm talking about the local community here as the subject no longer has object Now when we engage the community we face with many challenges And some of the community which previously do illegal loger Illegal mining, artisanal gold mining, illegal hunting It's very rampant in Kalimantan And it is their culture, their customary in their tribes But now regulation is changing Previously it was production forest area Like in Sabandham National Park it's actually considered as production forest area And there are major logging in Sabandham National Forest However that production forest function is changing into a conservation area Becoming a national park, so the community, the tribe cannot do their old activities If they continue the old practices they will be criminalized Now in our activities we try to engage the local community For example in our work protecting the area We always conduct patrol every day Every day we do patrol in the forest area And in that patrol we involve the community as the guardian So the local community as foresters, as the guardian we educate them We build their capacity So our patrol team all of them come in from the local community They are very expert And they only graduated from high school But they have huge knowledge about the forest itself And we also conduct flora and fauna research We research the biodiversity working with several universities Now in our research work we also engage the local community In conducting the research we engage the community to collect data We also teach them how to analyze the data With regard to alternative livelihood We teach them about farmer culture We try to revitalize the old stories That Dayak tribe was the forest guardian In which those old culture is no longer being used But we try to revitalize it again Now with regard to rejection, with regard to resistance Yes, we experience that And we actually still finding ways We still finding ways so that the gold illegal mining We stop Because when we offer the agriculture They see that the income from gold mining activities Is way bigger than agriculture activities They don't mind to go to prison But at the same time they understand they need to guard the forest For the next generation they are aware about that But the question is how to educate them How to raise their awareness Because this is not about short term But you need to think about the long run About your next generation Because when the forest is no longer there Who can continue their life here? As you may know The illegal gold mining is started from the river And goes into the forest Anyway, in all of our project And all of our program always engage the local community And in the video as you can see When we utilize the technology in restoring The forest area from fires We also engage the community In the representation process For the crop from the seed We engage the community to establish a nursery community To spread the seed The deforested area And why we engage the community Why we engage the community in the nursery activities Because the one who knows Who are familiar about the area Is the community themselves Yes, in BNF we have researchers We have experts And some of our directors Are researchers Researchers from the UK However In terms of research In terms of knowing Condition on the ground They don't necessarily know better Compared to the local community Now, in the peatland landscape With regard to what kind of crops Is suitable to be planted in the peatland The local community knows more We try to find the seed, the seedlings And then we do nursery In the local community groups And we try to do research This crop is suitable in this peatland We try to measure the depth of the peatland And it turns out not the case Then we try to use the local wisdom And then if you want to plant something here Then you use this crop And why is this successful? Well, this is what our parents told us So we try to combine We try to combine our research With the local wisdom With the local knowledge Then by combining those two aspects We can achieve success So you try to combine The evidence research base And then combine with the local wisdom So, panelists Because of time limitation Well, thank you so much Miss IU and colleague For asking those two questions There is The highlights That I can draw from the discussion We had this afternoon It turns out that not only gold Not only oil and gas That being mine But data also mine We need a lot of data To build this synergy So my question is What will be the future scenario From the lens of the US post lab Especially when we talk about global connection And how to link With the project in Africa, Brazil Malaysia Because we cannot move back We have to move forward We talk about capacity building Empowerment Movement When I say movement It's about moving forward It's about the future So this will be my last Highlight questions I would like to understand The perspective from the three panelists To you We have talked about the challenges So let's say in the US Post lab in BNF And call Tiva What is your vision And mission for the future Maybe you can share those to us as well And as a closing responses The national The international ideas Just to say we need umbrella We need organization To advance the technology So Boge As the representative from UN post lab What will be your future scenario Yes, thank you so much for the question Now with regard to future scenario The research usually called Future foresight Considering 5, 10, 15, 25 years ahead How the future will look like So Back again to what I have said earlier There is There is a worry From the researcher The researchers A bit worry When the open data Is not running When all type of open data Is no longer working Because There is a sector That is difficult to be addressed Okay Let's say we have data We open our data But a different version If you are interested Please pay Well, it's natural Back again Because data is now the new goal So When we do future foresight I think the future research Will become more difficult to do Because of Lacking of availability data That is why we promote Let's open our data So data exchange can happen Many have tried to do this But back again It sometimes failed So what we need to think About the future is how How we can Provide data To prepare for the future How all of us are aware To become a data provider Okay We don't have to see other organization Just see our organization Considering many Termination of Work And people think We need to generate our own income And that's something That every organization has In their mindset They need to think That they become a data provider Because in the future When data becoming more expensive In which we no longer able to purchase When then at least What local NGO can do Okay, they have drawn They collect the data And then they store it And then they can exchange the data Or sell the data Because what happen often Is Many organizations try to Maintain the biodiversity And many use audio recognition So they capture The audio from the forest And when they hear Chainsaw audio They immediately ring the alert That's a illegal looking Well Data should not only use For their own interest But they keep the data Where in the future Can be exchanged, can be sold And the image Recognition That can identify How AI work To Identify the surrounding animals So They all keep those data And At the end of the day It can be mined So we can mine this historical data So my hope for the future Think about Think about how to exchange data Think about exchangeable data Okay Mr. Kuku, Kultiva What is your future perspective In one minute Okay, talk about Kultiva We always focus on traceability Which our biggest mission From seed to table We try to trace We want We want to trace All of the food On our table come from which farmers And our future vision Our future hope We hope that We can have More farmers That see traceability Sustainability effort and initiative When we have More awareness When more people aware Where their food Come from where And the farmers also see this As important thing And it will bring positive impact to the farmers Okay, that's too The BNF perspective From our new nature foundation What is your future scenario From our side As an NGO How this program can reach the site level We actually have many research results We have to research ABCD With regard to technology We have ABCDE However Our problem is We don't have any umbrella We don't have any organization Or consortium that can house all of these results We don't have any This institution that Comprimes of different stakeholders We don't have it yet For example Drone data Drone is not only about data Data can be collected everywhere Anywhere in real time But Drone is about the utilization Of airspace We need to have An entity That controls the airspace And with regard to the data Club Boga said We have a project called bioacoustic project We can identify What sounds coming from the forest It can be the sound Of orangutan Sound of illegal logging activities We can identify immediately And we hope When we have this organization We hope this organization can be replicated In other areas as well I hear you We need the umbrella that can integrate All software, hardware All of the applied technology Ladies and gentlemen We have heard so many knowledge So many information from this panel discussion Unfortunately We are limited by time But the most important thing That we can draw from the panel discussion How important synergy is How to build consistency In all stakeholders And to build a comprehensive knowledge How to have And how To have a monitoring and evaluation That is sustainable And supported by the policy And regulation That can protect The rainforest in Indonesia All over the world And it requires coordination From different stakeholders From the government And the local community For the sake of the next generation Ladies and gentlemen Let's Thanks all of the Parallels Let's give them a round of applause For what they have shared And hopefully we can continue The collaboration And my name is Arie I would like to end And I would like to return Mr. Morris Tim You may continue Let's give another round of applause Mr. Bogey Good evening To our panelists And to the moderation Very interesting I am here to take two more minutes Of your attention And I would like to focus it on The knowledge exchange digitalization Which is part of our set project As I am one of the researchers At the Humboldt Institute For internet and society Data is the new gold This is why we want to be gold diggers As well And we are trying to build a database For digitalization projects That are linked to sustainability In a wider sense This is going to appear to be a platform Or appear to be a page Meaning that users put in cases We evaluate cases And then put them online And then other users can go online Compare cases and look at them We are currently in the face And we want to start The website early in 2023 The benefits are rather obvious I think it increases Your project's visibility and range You might be seen by journalists NGOs And most importantly Probably other project managers So there's an aspect of learning But there's also an aspect of teaching In a way And you will be part Of an ever growing network So to speak So what this is going to be Probably looking like This is a little far for a lot of you Maybe but we are going to have These different cases Displayed There will be a filter function A search function So you can compare and find cases More easily So we invite you To submit your cases Share this link Share this QR code In case you know an interesting project Or bother you for too long And I would like to say thank you Also from all of us at the Humboldt Institute For giving us your time and your presence And enjoy a few drinks And a bit of snacks outside And thank you everyone Thank you so much Thank you so much Mr Moritz I address you as Mas It's like Older brother like Bro So ladies and gentlemen Thank you so much To participate in this Discussion panel We have learned many things Many insights There will be a networking session After this There are still coffee and tea That you can enjoy And also refreshments That is provided in the four-year area And if you are curious If you want to know more And as mentioned by Mr Moritz You can scan this And if you would like to submit So Mr Christian Can we close the session And start the networking And thank you so much ladies and gentlemen Okay until we meet again We don't say goodbye But until we meet again in the next activity So let's give A big round of applause My name is Mulati Dewi The moderator for the afternoon and evening session Thank you so much