 We'll call the meeting to order First on the agenda is to approve the agenda. Is there any amendments? Okay Second okay all in favor So we'll just tell you you may have a lag between You may have a lag between the ATV club or no You won't for June GMP because Tiana is here. So In recreation committee can't have certain members can't come till 7 so but Tiana is here Tiana. Are you expecting anyone else? I Didn't invite others But I think it probably might just be me tonight, but if others in it. Yeah Okay, perfect. So if we may get to you a little bit ahead of time. Yeah, no problem. Thank you. Yeah Yeah, yeah, Richard Manning okay, and Ray Blakeney. I'm not sure who else is here for the ATV Okay, we'll let you guys go first and how's that Town roads again they connect all of the private land ATV trails that we have in place New club that's been formed here in Bethel with local residents again And this so kind of relieve the stock bridge guys and let them take care of their area So we're just looking to follow up and Have continued permission So the map is on file as it is usually and so like he said that Bethel's forming their own club Did you used to have your own club in Bethel before quad runners? Yes, please Believe originally years ago the club did originate in Bethel and for some reason it Migrated to to stock bridge. All right Cecil's not in his head behind you. Yeah, so the map is on file They're not asking for any changes at this time and they're gonna reach out to Alex Reister So that they can be you know talk to someone from vast and But the map is on file so they're not asking for any changes just change of people running it and we know where to find Richard Every day So if there's a problem, we know how to track them down Have we had any issues with any of the four-wheeler? No, I haven't heard anything. No, not Pete They're always good stewards All right any Comments or questions from the board or if not just need a motion to approve the Bethel ATV clubs annual request to use The existing roads per the map that's on file Second okay on favor nice have it Be ready to use the Vascular trails everybody has to be registered to the state now Signed up with your local ATV club, and you also have to have insurance Same thing as a storm. Yes. Yeah, and the helmet law now as well. Yep. Oh That's not a bad idea and sure Yeah All right Well, while we're waiting for the 630 appointment that we'll probably still get to early I Would just suggest that we just go through the appointments quickly. We should be able to go through that Yeah, within five minutes or so I will tell you that I We did receive confirmation from all these people but as it's a stack of paper I didn't really think you needed to specifically see every single one of us. So but we did receive Obviously they all agreed to do this. We're not appointing anyone without their knowledge. They all agreed Do you like individual emotions or we'd like to just read down through them and we'll make one big motion Yeah, last year. We did Lindley did one big motion I happen to look back to see how you did it last year so I could word it the same. So, yeah, we just one motion is fine Yeah, I know everybody on there except this morning Davis She Melanie that Melanie Davis. That's her daughter. That's yeah, and she's a licensed nursing assistant I believe she's going on to school. Yeah Yep, I Know I question him all the time, but you know he volunteered and Paul Valley did agree that he'll add a little warm body and that's right and Paul agreed to be the alternate He was the original employment. So which is nice. So it's kind of anything else. You want to volunteer for tonight Paul? All right, any any other discussion in regards to the appointments listed That whole list of positions as they are printed Okay, we have a second Okay, all in favor Always have it Appointments are done GMP could take a minute. You might want to start early if she's willing to go home. Sure So you ready on the GMP thing side of things you guys ready to do your thing? Okay Okay, if I share my screen with the presentation Okay, let me try Oh, I think I think I can do it. Oh cool. All right. I thought I had to give you permission. No, you're right You do it says host disabled participant. Yeah, I'm sorry. All right. All right. Let me figure it out I'm just like you who can share all participants that's hopefully that does it Oh good, so I did just to say Tiana I did put in the packet Some information from the conversation that I had with Maddie Just saying that what I said was that Someone would be here from GMP and that GMP has the opportunity to apply for a 19 million dollar grant from the federal government and GMP has a cost share the town of Bethel would not if the grant is awarded GMP will create a plan to increase the resiliency in our electric grid and aim for reducing outages to zero It will be achieved to be a several avenues underground power lines moving lines closer to the road tree trimming removal near lines Residential battery storage possibly larger battery storage a microgrid for the downtown The plan is to break up Bethel into four zones tailor different approaches to different zones The cost to residents would also be zero as GMP will pay for the residential batteries and Create a process to dispose of and replace the battery after its 10-year life cycle and 10 years There may be a cost to the homeowner, but at this time that's unknown And I just said as you can imagine from an emergency management perspective. This would be a good opportunity So hang on Well, I just wanted you to correct anything that I did wrong that I misspoke so And I do I really appreciate the opportunity to be here tonight Maddie Murray Klosson is the project manager on this and that's who has been in touch with you But I am here tonight. Maddie and I work closely together I'm head of electrification and sustainability for GMP and Yeah, really excited about a lot of our work around resiliency zones and especially this opportunity here in Bethel I know with the this has been a very very rough winter especially for Central and southern parts of Vermont and so it feels like a timely time to be talking about it and Again, we've we've seen three of our top five worst storms in 40 years in this winter So so good time to be talking about it and happy to answer any questions that you have So a couple years ago in anticipation of what we knew was going to be coming with With weather events and with climate events we put together a climate plan and that climate plan really targeted various initiatives and you talked about them a little bit with those four zones In order to strengthen our grid and that includes undergrounding so taking our Our lines that are above ground putting them underground installing Insulate we have insulated water wire, but storm hardening our wire So it's sort of a steel casing that sits on top of the wires that catches trees catches branches In places where we won't be able to underground And then, you know, of course replacing poles making sure that those Poles that haven't been replaced in many years Are upgraded and replaced and then adding residential Energy storage in the form of batteries you may have heard of Tesla power walls. There's all There are other types of battery energy storage as well inside people's homes to provide that resiliency There in your home should should power go out We're really looking the focus of that plan was to prevent outages and help us Recover more quickly. So we know that these events aren't going to be changing. They're not lessening. They're getting worse What we want is for our customers to feel, you know, little to to no impact When these storms come in because we've done all of these things to really strengthen the grid and And so a big part of that is is a faster timeline for implementing these strategies and something we're called Something that we're calling resiliency zones of which Beth Bethel would be one of them me just Oops There we go. So so you may be asking yourself. What is a resiliency zone? It's a community hub that stays connected even when severe weather hits So something like the storm that happened over over the holidays and then this this most recent one that we just had The poles may go down wires may go down and things like that But but you would not experience outages happening and that's again because of those strategies in terms of undergrounding Moving wires where needed replacing poles and then having that that resiliency within the homes in the form of batteries In some places we are looking to install solar along with that in micro grids I'll talk a little bit about that With respect to Bethel as well. We have one right now in Panton first of its kind solar micro grid that can completely island and and Like disappear from the grid or be an asset to the grid if needed And we they're really custom plans that we we work on in partnership with various communities The climate plan outlines that we were going to do three a year We've done Brafton we've done one in Grafton. We're working on One in Brattleboro and then we're also Doing one in Rochester and then we have this opportunity with this federal funding to do one in Bethel as well So what about those will look like is really? It's it's a plan that's tailored to your community there Hopefully in partnership with with your community and what I mean by that, you know As was already shared. There's there's no cost to the community This is this we funded by GMP as well as through federal funds When I say partnering with the community, you know, there are places where we want to think about, you know Sitting down and understanding what the communities needs are And looking at circuit enhancement storm hardening for all of Bethel so so you can stay powered up It would include a micro grid that would be both at the fire station as well as the local high school And then I can talk a little bit more about that And but that would be a place that again just you know stays up Can turn off from the grid can turn on and be an asset to the grid and then installing home batteries as well the really nice part about all of these resiliency zones is that it reduces costs for all GMP customers and the reason for that and People don't often know this but GMP does not make money off of the kilowatt hours that we sell So the electrons going to your homes. We don't make money off of that We make money off of capital improvements that we make to our system So when more people are electrifying when we have more Battery energy storage and we have more local renewables and we don't have to go out To the grid or go out to the larger grid and purchase energy when when we're using the most and when it's the dirtiest and the most costly That reduces costs for all of our customers and then of course reduces carbon emissions as well When you said the fire station and the school did you I want to make sure I got that did you say they'd be on separate micro grids? Did you yeah, so you could make what we would do there is a separate micro grid Okay, and so what that means is it would have its own large battery energy storage between those two facilities And thank you. Yeah, we have like little batteries that would be in individual homes But those two areas because again those are spots where you know during an emergency something like Irene And I know Beth was hit really hard during I lean Irene That would be a space that could serve as sort of an emergency shelter That would always be on because of this large battery energy search storage Okay, thank you. I just wanted to make sure I had that right for my notes. Thank you Yeah, I'm happy to answer it now as well if it if it whatever you think is best. Oh, you talked about strengthening the grid what about increasing capacity where everybody and his brother is talking about Yeah, electric everything and I'm a electrician and I happen to be pretty confident that we can't do that with the grid we have I know I've talked to the boys on line crew and at one time you guys are talking about 34,000 primary or maybe even more Uh, are you are you thinking about doing anything like that? And if so, can you put that underground? So, yes, the plan would be that that would be in fact underground We do something every three years. It's an updated 20 year outlook for What we need and what we're anticipating will happen around Our our resources and what's needed. So we have modeled the electrification including, you know, when you look at the state's Energy plan and all of the the cold climate heat pumps all of the electric vehicles All of the transformers needed to upgrade we feel really confident In the contracts that we have that not only can we Not only can the grid handle it from the from a capacity standpoint, but it will also be by 2030 100% renewable So when you're talking about those micro grids, what have you got a plan for large users say Nolato or the grain store or places like that that have a lot of heavy electric use? Yeah, so, um I don't know specifically around those customers. That's something that I would need And and matty can follow up with you on those particular large users, but the plan is that it's for all of Bethel um, and so the micro grid specifically is around at this point It was it was sort of posited around the high school As well as the fire station But if we wanted to create another micro grid where we looked at the large businesses, that's something that we could do as well um, that's that's a big part of this initial outreach is is to sit down um with community leaders and find out exactly what those needs are um, and uh, you know This application to the feds, uh, is really just saying You know conceptually we understand what the what the grid opportunities are here in Bethel This is what we'd like to do But in order to tailor that custom plan We really want to sit down with you all in the community to decide what what those needs are Thank you. Yeah Any other questions Yeah I'm over here. I don't think you can see anyway We have uh, you're going to put if you put batteries in these homes Two questions one Is will the customer then be charged for the electricity required to charge that battery? Or keep it charged Uh, and i'm assuming will that be a two-way? wall Or so that is exactly That is exactly the way that it works The customer would pay for the electrons to charge up the battery But then when gmp draws off the battery, we would be crediting the customer And when the customer is using the kilowatt hours that are in the battery They're not they're not paying for that because it's already been paid for All right Makes sense that it essentially nets out okay And are those lithium batteries? They are Is there any work being done to uh, mine the lithium from spent batteries? Yeah, so um, we are that that's kind of With our current power wall programs That's part of what happens with both with electric vehicles and then also with these home batteries is that at the end of the battery's life Or what you consider the life or what it's doing inside the home There's still a lot of life left in the batteries the electric vehicle batteries as well as the home batteries and so What is happening to those now is that they're being sort of Aggregated together put together and then they end up in large battery energy storage because there's still a lot of life left from that There are six recycling facilities in the us right now that can take these batteries and and recycle and sort of responsibly dispose of the the Rare minerals that are inside of them But the batteries are lasting a lot longer than than what people even you know originally expected like the Electric vehicle batteries are lasting up to 500 000 miles. And so The that sort of concern of the end of life of battery and what to do with it at the end is uh They're they're being able to be reused That's good. Thank you. I'm concerned about lithium mining Yeah, I'm concerned and it's something that we are also um looking into I think Without sort of going too much down a rabbit hole. I think that The inflation reduction act and a lot of what they're doing with Making sure that the batteries are manufactured and assembled and all of that in the us is going to be helpful in developing that industry and making sure that it's done more responsibly Thank you Yeah Other questions before I go on to my next slide Okay so This map is uh is our circuit map there in Bethel And we've broken it into those four zones um that Teresa was mentioning earlier So zone one two three and four And there's a lot that sort of goes into this But what we've done and the way we've sort of determined this is by Distance from the substation, you know, um how How close it may be to roadways And then also looking at things like vegetation And um and then where it's sort of furthest away from the substation and having the most outages So you you see there in kind of the hot pink the zone four Those are customers and and Bethel that really experience the most outages That's where we would be installing the home batteries um So across this entire circuit there would be a mixture of storm hardening So that's what I mentioned about the steel casing that goes sort of above the the lines catches the trees Allows us to go remove the trees before they actually damage them We would be undergrounding And relocating various wires for resiliency Again that micro grid would serve the emergency shelter and fire station the emergency shelter being the high school battery storage would exist in homes and businesses and then another part of this project is Using the latest technology to target and remove hazardous trees before they fall So we have our tree trimming program and and we do a lot around vegetation management This is um a new sort of technology that You know looks and overlays understands where outages have been before and really targets and says You need to go in and remove these trees even before Sort of the routine of when we normally do the tree trimming Um sharing a little bit about the timeline once awarded because you may be thinking like how does all this happen when When would this happen year one um is is kind of the year that we're in right? So we had we've had a couple of application periods. The second one is coming up Here in the next week or so Your one is really about outreach to you all Stakeholders surrounding businesses residents chill customers all of that to talk about your priorities and needs And then storm hardening the lines We would complete those in zone one So back to this it would be that sort of red zone that you can see right there in the middle That's the main line. Um that would be storm hardened the first year Year two We would be deploying that innovation to remove the hazardous trees Storm hardening the lines completed in zone two. So back to this map zone two is those dark blue lines So it's just sort of building upon the storm hardening that happened um initially and um And then uh, so storm hardening completed in zone zone two year three We would be relocating lines to roadside Um completed in zone three undergrounding lines in zone three Storm hardening the remaining overhead lines completed in zone three. So what that means is it's like, okay We're doing we're we're undergrounding most of those lines But if we got to a place where there was a lot of ledge or some sort of reason why We still needed to have a pole that sort of, you know, it would underground but come up out of a pole We would still storm harden those lines as well And so back to this map again zone three. That's the sort of lime green lines that you see there And then year four is the micro grid with the island's capability is online And what I mean by the island's capability is that it truly can be a complete asset to the grid So it can sort of help us, you know, when we have a lot of solar during the day and um, we need to sort of dump that in a particular place or or um, or take that off of the grid that would allow us to do it It can sort of blink off from the grid completely disconnect from the the broader grid and just exist on its own Um, and has the complete ability to island Um on that uh on that part of the circuit Then all zone four customers in year four would have the behind the meter battery installed. So that's like the tesla power wells There's also generac. There's also enphase Um, large batteries that end up in your garage or in your basement um that provide The same sort of backup that like a generator would um and they're charged up Um gmp is able to draw off of those batteries during times of peak Um, and so that's that's sort of the benefit to the grid and the benefit to all of the customers as well Because we don't have to go out and buy that really expensive energy during that time But the primary thing you have it uh that customers have it for is obviously for backup should should they lose power And then year five all the behind the meter batteries would be installed in the the zone four Um integrated with our distributed energy resource management solution So that's just what i'm talking about with this sort of like pulling on the grid and pulling off the grid Um, and then uh, we would show the the microgrid islanding there as well in year five. Um, that's a pretty Uh, that's a pretty intensive project the microgrid Um with the islanding capability And so that would be fully functional by year five and if I just go back to that Uh, this map again, you can see the zone four. Those are the hot pink lines. That's where the home batteries would be Again, this is all um at this point, you know It's it is It's more than conceptual because we're applying to the the department of energy and saying we've studied these circuits We think that these are the best solutions. We also are able to tailor and update this You know again based on sitting down with you all and understanding What your concerns are and and how you you want to be thinking about this? especially from an equity lens to make sure that income sensitive folks are are taken into consideration with this and And and things like that So you're looking for a letter of support from the select board as well as two rivers to submit with your application So that's that's my next slide next steps We are the energy committee tomorrow. We would love a letter of support from the town um, and then Should we receive this award which we feel very confident? Um, and being able to do it would be announced in late summer And that's matt that's mattie's contact information. Although i'm happy to share mine as well Um, I am one of i'm gonna stop sharing if that's okay with everyone so I can see the pieces again um, I am one of the people that during storm restoration um works with towns and emergency managers to to keep people up to date and so Happy to share my uh information as well. Um, and and excited to work with you all and get to know bethel better through this process too So once the award is in then and it's awarded bethel is it so did you get money like this for rochester Panton and the other towns we didn't This is the first application you're doing from for the from the feds. Yeah, just curious Yep, can you share your slides? Yeah, absolutely I could barely see them. Yeah, you could just email it to me Okay, go ahead. Yeah, just email it to me tianan all forward it to the select board absolutely Thank you. Yeah Other questions and I'm also happy to answer broader questions about gmp2 since I'm here if you want to Talk about storm stuff or you want to just anything at all? Um anything around Uh the resiliency zone Yeah, and I have a quick question First of I just I really appreciate How forward thinking gmp is being about this? I think that's you know, it's it's positive And I also appreciate the bethel is kind of given this opportunity to be a part of this And i'm kind of curious to see where it goes not just Within bethel but sort of the broader scope of how how this plays out um You you noted that you kind of want not just town buy-in but kind of the the concept of working with the community to um Kind of develop the plan further and i'm curious what that looks like from your perspective like how How do we get a say how is equity included? How are we weighing in with what our needs are you know fruits on the ground and perspectives versus a theoretical from an office So that actually is my role within this project and I um I'm originally from Fort Collins, Colorado and I worked for the city of Fort Collins there for 15 years and My role there was community engagement and so a lot of um public engagement a lot of outreach and and um Facilitation around decision making and how to figure these kinds of things out and so um, I think it would be I want to make sure that we do it in a way that works for your town and isn't sort of a heavy lift But I would love to facilitate workshops Um to figure out how you know and some of the strategies we used in grafting We're really about going to people's homes and meeting people where they live um And hosting you know town halls going to the high school like uh It would be a variety of different strategies to make sure that we're hearing the voice of those that are going To be impacted um as well as sort of the business community So identifying who those stakeholders are first working with you all to do that And then really coming up with a targeted plan for each of the stakeholder groups to understand what those needs are Take all of those into account The equity and inclusion piece of this is incredibly important to us as well as to the DOE So we would want to be um looking at it through that lens and we have um, we have Support that we have uh that we work with here at um gmp that can help us with That dei lens Great. Thank you. And I know that's kind of vague, but we are putting a lot of thought into what that plan would look like I understand like I doing community organizing is is often vague at the outset And I would sort of follow that up with maybe more a comment to fellow select board members Which is that if we choose to go down this path that maybe we look at a way to Assist gmp in this process in that we already have an equity and inclusion committee We already have an energy committee and that maybe we're asking A representative from each of those committees to work directly with tiana and her team to Kind of broaden the scope of how we reach a broader subset of our community and not just I know part of the problem with community organizing is you can put all these things out there and do all this effort and Five people show up and it's the same five people that show up to all the things and then you're not really getting that broader set of input, but if we can kind of help Pull the resources that we have in existence and then those resources can kind of help the outreach Go that much further just sort of a thought Yeah, I love that One thing we found really helpful and grafted with the resiliency zone down there was that once we really started to engage with the town leadership all of a sudden It's just it's like leveraging that credibility, right? It's that it's that third party verification that This is this is a good thing and And it would yeah, it really it really just lent a lot of credibility to the project down there Because initially people were like, why are you giving us these bad or like why are you why are you giving this? What's what's the catch? And it's like well the catch is we want to stop Have you know, we want it takes a crazy amount of time to restore These lines over and over and over again and we in a tremendous amount of money and we don't want people to be out of power That's the catch So any help we can get from you all to to both identify who's important to engage with and then help help just and that Outreach is is would be tremendous So if you if you guys Want to do that then my request would be of tiana's that she sent us a You know a draft a letter of support that they're looking for to go with their application I'm in You're in yeah When does she need the letter of support by I think we need it by if today is the 27th. I think we need it like april We have it drafted just so you know um And then I think we need it by next like went Tuesday or Wednesday So we would have to make the motion tonight. Yeah Okay Signed by the chair of the select board Our town manager or do we have to sign it? No, you guys don't have to sign it wish you could do a lot of support I can just type your names on it. Um, which is fine No One more one more question that you I was reading here that there there might be a fee at the end of the 10 years Uh, I'm sure that's a placeholder But you have any any idea what that fee would be for Be if you decided or if a customer decided they just didn't want anything to do with the batteries anymore and completely wanted them uninstalled Like remove Okay, so if if they were stayed with the program, there's a good chance there would be no fee for that Yeah, and yeah, and it is you're right. It's a placeholder, right? So for the program that we have now the hope is at the end of 10 years Um, we we turn it over to the customer and they can have the batteries the batteries still will have life in them or They sign back up for our next iteration of whatever that That battery storage looks like what what's amazing and when you think about it with our phones, right? Is it's like Batteries get better and better and better and smaller and smaller and smaller and so that same footprint of a battery might actually have Even more capacity For storage and so, you know, it's hard to say right now what 10 years from now We'll we'll happen with the technology, but it's just if if somebody You know if we went to the expensive installing and giving the batteries and all of that and they're like never mind We don't want anything to do with this To pay for that uninstall cost, which at this point It varies by installer, but we we also haven't had that happen. I should say and we have 4 000 devices out there Thank you. Yeah All right So do we have a motion to include a letter of support for the pre-mountain power project Okay Hey all in favor All right Good to go. Thank you all for your time tonight. Thank you. Thank you all so much. It's a it is a very Very exciting thing to be happening in Bethel We're really excited to work with you all and And yeah, thank you so much for the time any questions at all. I'm going to forward that the slide deck to you Maddie's email is on it, but you'll have my email as well. And yeah, just look forward to to working with you all And Yeah How do you pick? Yeah, great question. So it's a combination of um, we do something where we look at the cdc social vulnerability index Um, and we use that in addition to the number of outages that customers experience We overlay those two things that helped us identify communities that are most in need Additionally, when you look at all of these strategies, we were planning on Implementing as part of our climate plan Bethel really was an ideal community because it had all of the aspects that we wanted to include So you have the ability to do a micro grid. We have the ability to underground We have homes that would be in need of the home batteries And so it was just this nice little sort of micro some of Um of needs that that kind of like fit all in together. Um, and that's that's how we chose Bethel So tian, if you send me the letter of support, I can get that on letterhead and deal with that Tomorrow or the next day, okay I will do that Thank you. Thank you all Thank you very much. Have a good night. Thank you. Have a good rest of your night. Thank you all right So we had the state revolving loan fund application for the phase two water project So that's uh There one or two, okay this one here good night. Thank you So you can see the application in here. It's all pretty standard. Um, the the um Engineers put it together and I fill in some information for them And then they put all together it's the same application we filled in for the 2.8 million and any other loans that we've done before that So we just need to get it as you can see we'll just need a motion for the approval And then there's a place on it for my last page It's here For all of you To sign Let's see. Yep the last page So if you have any questions on the content of the application, I'm happy to answer those Any any questions? Is that uh, it's signed by all of us. Okay So just need a motion to authorize a 2.5 million dollar loan application submission Okay, all in favor So you'll see on this one you need to sign your names and then print your name beside it. So And lendly we'll have enough signatures You'll be all right It's fine. Don't worry about it. It's they've got um, we will have four signatures on it. So you are safe Yeah True text message my phone's going off. I'm like why is that me my son's I'm like I'm in a meeting. I'm in a meeting. I'm like you guys don't wait No one wants you all day and then I could hear it vibrating like and it kept vibrating. I'm like It's like a dramatic pause, isn't it? Well, we can move forward to the There you go, that's right now every day we do that. That's right. All right. We got the amendment to the owner and engineer agreement on phase two water project So that would just require a motion for Need to sign in two places Okay, so we just need a motion to authorize town manager to sign on behalf of the select board Okay, all in favor All right Then we have the Bethel energy committee's request for a select board To the select board to appoint a board member to be a liaison So I talked to Nicole about this and I think she was hoping to join to come to the meeting tonight and But as I had stated a little bit of information here she They're working with rott council on rule development and hopes to form a group to start a regional discussion about meeting the state's comprehensive energy plan And what she had been saying all along was while we had talked about these positions of energy coordinator Nicole has stated numerous times that she wanted to She wasn't put foring it the number hours because she wasn't sure what exactly, you know, the towns needed And so she was hoping to get together a group of people And talk about each town's needs so that they could then say, okay Yeah, we do need an energy coordinator If two rivers doesn't have the capacity and how many hours would that be and how much dollar amount would that be and I saw your name was on there. Have you been a part of that discussion or with Nicole Yeah, so do you have anything to add other than what I wrote in there? No Okay, so they're looking to have a select board member to be on the energy committee to be elite No, they're looking for a board member possibly to be a liaison to this potential group So if that's something that you want more information about I could ask and Nicole to come to the next meeting She obviously the letter is in here of That You know, they were talking about and how the goals they want to meet and things like that So she's just wants to know if if the select board would like to formally appoint a member to be the liaison to this potential group Doesn't need to be anything you need to do tonight, but Was her request They have a An idea when this meeting might these meetings might start. Oh, I think yes. I emailed you that answer back So she or something like that that mean that mean this quarter, which is like over Oh, yeah, I'd kind of doubt it. No, she was saying. Yeah, that's right. I sent you back the information I forgot so she was saying that she was just thought maybe they would meet What was it three or four times? Kind of spread out. Do you know more about what they're possibly? No, I don't I don't even have a Yeah, it wasn't a huge meeting. It wasn't a huge commitment of time. It was um, I honestly can't remember what the Email said I read it and then forwarded it to you and yeah I was that I'm sorry. I didn't retain the interesting thing to me is If this gmp thing flows That makes a big difference on the town bevels needs. That's true. It really does. It's a good point You know, maybe what we need to do is just invite nicole to come to a future select board meeting and talk about this a little bit More before you make any formal Um appointment or anybody's formally interested and and also too I can forward nicole Well, she's saying actually she just said they're going to meet with energy committee tomorrow So maybe once you're right. That's her committee. Uh-huh. That's nicole So we could always wait on this for another two weeks and see You know once nicole has all the information that we'll have and she'll get that tomorrow Happy to do that Among various individuals in the towns for Quite a while now this is Kind of building on that. Yeah, so I can ask move it to the next meeting and ask nicole to come And just because she you know, then it'll be after the gmp presentation Then you can ask her those questions. Dave. Is that what you guys would like to do? And I will say that this this lady is uh What's word on you? Impressively knowledgeable Yeah, yeah, I will say during we had When we had one of the bigger outages it was out for a while actually had someone that was a critical need person And I called an event and you know, obviously We know a couple people and we got a hold of some people and then I got Then she reached out to me and she was like we're on it. I will have somebody there We did not realize they weren't on on the list that we had and she bang bang boom, mr And it happened and and getting um the person actually who who was the critical care was like I couldn't hear trucks trees. They're dealing with it. And uh, so they she was very impressive and certainly, um You know, let you know when there's updates and I felt like she really kept us in the loop She's not even the head cheese. Yeah I spoke to her and maddie the other day the maddie's on vacation. So Um, so do you would you like to do that hold? Yeah, I'm just table it until we have a little more information on Yep, makes sense. And then committee. Well, what it's gonna meet and what's gonna look like and the other the fairness And a coal is she'll have more information tomorrow that you had tonight. She'll get it at her meeting. So Um, okay Not everybody on the board fine with that I'm good. Okay All right, so we'll just table that one We um, I see ellie is in so a couple minutes ellie will be right with you. Okay Oh, okay. Yep. You just let me know when you're ready Um, then we got some uh liquor licenses. So we get a class one and class three fritoshiers um Class two liquor license for the creek house The store. Yeah, it's kind of funny. I gave you the list. That's now what instead of those applications That you sign now what all pam gets is that you know, she highlighted them for you the ones that we needed That you needed approval. Yeah, it's kind of funny. It's all gone online now. So yeah, take the fun out of everything It does Just need a motion to approve those liquor licenses So moved Second tail in favor All right And then we had the uh vorac um project that's going to be going on that That will need a project manager that we've talked about in the past. So It was um an rfp had went out in regards to um Supervision for that project and we had gotten two two Two into uh two firms that have Put our number in so tress will talk about that further one was um colliers They're out of Connecticut I think and they had no if they have any experience in vermont They did not list that on their app that their boston mass out and on their application So with that they also I didn't have any they didn't also list any experience dealing with landowner outreach and trail building Obviously, they're a massive firm because they're out of boston. So they you know Have experience with financial management appearing rfq's And managing obviously large projects, but they're really their proposals were Construction based, you know pretty much they were the ones who are building like big service areas and things like that So the other one was actually a local It was local the land artist llc Who was owned by chris fours who had a nice proposal and the big difference obviously we know exactly How much money it is it's thirty thousand one hundred and sixty four dollars. Well the clincher was chris who was very familiar with the project because he's got the School through theirs. He's done their act to 50 permit. He's done some trail building. He's also working with faren griffin and Kyle cartwright to do the stair project from behind the school So his price was going to get us 603 Hours which is probably what it's going to take least to get the project done Colliers with their rate was only we were only going to get a hundred and seventy two Hours that's just not going to cut it. So three times the hours Yeah, exactly and he's local and so we can work with him So, um, I would so I think that you need to make a motion to award the contract to the land artist llc um For the grant amount, which is thirty thousand one hundred and sixty four dollars So Okay, second Second or any any questions on that before we vote Okay, so you're none. Okay all in favor All right So chris and I will meet on a you know weekly basis at first I told him I'd give him information on you know draft rfp's things like that because We're this is obviously going to be a two-year project We just barely got the vote. We're at grant agreement now. We finally have a project manager So chris will take over and There's a lot of facets to this they're doing not just building trails, but you're doing signage. You're doing you know a lot of planning so Um chris and I'll meet and we'll get started and he can we'll work together to He'll do the major overseeing, but we certainly won't be constructing trails Until next year kind of gives us a chance to get out with the bid cycle. So that should be good All right, so we're looking forward to working with chris and he'll be great And I say we just bite off the last one here quickly because I don't think this the cannabis board information is going to Take too long to discuss. I don't think so. Lindley. Did you get the email? I sent you with the link to the okay that you wanted Lindley had um asked about uh You are welcome. So from what I gather out of it We kind of have two options one the town could decide to do nothing with it Yep, and then everything gets deferred to the state Yep, or the town can establish its own cannabis board. Yep of which then The applications go to us and then we send to the state Exactly. So I guess it just depends on do we want to have a board that at least gets to Look at it before it goes to the state because at the end of the day we don't get to like then I had to prove it I mean It's kind of a rubber stamp deal, but like like liquor license, right? Yeah kind of story. Yeah, you'll have the um You'll be able to look at their proposal pretty much at this point the only thing that In my opinion that you'll be doing or that we'll be doing you'll be looking at their zoning to make sure that they adhere to the zoning regulation Because we be assured that it's within zoning right and that's really all you'd be doing so so at this point do we have to so Could we wait until there's a first applicant for something and then establish a board if we want to do that Or is that something that we have to do now that we voted? No, you uh, they just want to know what we're going to do and um, I think I Yes, I have it I do have a draft resolution because you'll have to sign a resolution and I said if you choose to form a local Cannabis control board then you should sign the resolution at your april 10th meeting because you want to wait for the 30 day vote to rescind after town meeting so um You know, it's I guess in my opinion Do we really truly want to give the state any more control over anything? No, so I think that's my personal opinion I think that you should do the ccb You're not going to have a ton of applicants obviously if there's someone growing that doesn't even affect you doesn't even come to you It's only retail operations and then basically you're just going to be making sure that they adhere to local zoning I just I think that it could be a mistake for us to allow the state To look they're not going to know our zoning bylaws as well as we do if they even look at that I'm not really sure so because it looks like the application would come to the board if if it was us and then we would write a letter of Approval or contingent upon something, right? I mean from what I understand. Yeah, and the the laws are very strict about What you cannot do you cannot zone it out you cannot Um You know if you had a nuisance ordinance and Lindley maybe read the links really they're more about I think one of them Uh, the 2291 maybe was about nuisance ordinances and the 4 4 was about Zoning so we know we can't zone it out and um nuisance ordinances. I think are more for You know signages. I mean there's obviously very strict state laws about where you can and cannot use cannabis, but did you Gain anything from reading that statute Lindley I mean nothing nothing major, but I think I still would sort of I would say what you were just saying which was This is one it's it's small and as chris indicated It's kind of more of a formality But it is a way to kind of keep tabs and have a little bit of say when needed and so You know, I sort of see it similar to liquor licenses as like we mostly just know the list of people And and you know retail spaces that have them And so then when something goes wrong, we have a little bit of a like to stand on to say, okay We know who you are we've signed this but you're not meeting Your your side of this agreement and I think it would be the same to me with a cannabis board would be Just a little bit of closer to home oversight that knows the situation here as opposed to somebody from the state coming in and saying Well, I don't know, you know, so I would agree with your your statement of it. It only benefits us to have Whatever little amount of control we're being gifted Yeah, yeah, I thought it was interesting because Owen had asked a question last time Or at one point we discussed cannabis about What this sort of away from school areas would be if there's a buffer zone requirement And I thought it was very interesting that there is a buffer zone for retail but not growing So you could not have a retail establishment with an x amount of feet of the school But you could grow it with an x amount of feet from the school So I thought that was a little bit interesting. Um, but yeah, I just think that as the slide board you should know What's going on in your town? So I think by modeling an application is It makes sense for a whopping I think you get a hundred bucks or maybe it's 200 but each person No, no, just one time. He's getting all excited No, no quid pro quo If the state ball gets off and now we're starting to get paid for a company That's right Hey, wait a minute. Wait a minute I think I think I think it's a really good idea to do the local cannabis Bard for for all the reasons that were mentioned Um, to still be able to deal with if there's some Uh, business practices that get online or or local issues that come up Uh, it gives the board, you know, some leverage to be able to deal with some of those things Yeah, there's not much we can do honestly It's uh, once the permit is going they are going to have very specific rules just like people who sell alcohol There's going to be a liquor, you know, just like there's a liquor inspector So I think really it's it's zoning, but it allows you to know what's going on and and um, so what I'll do is I will put the resolution on the agenda for april 10th that way you've done your 30 day vote to rescind as past and um You can sign the resolution and then wait for an applicant I have notified the cannabis control board that uh, bethah voters did pass cannabis So, um, I told the lady we'd let her know if you decided to form the board. Okay All right Anything more on that remember good All right. See we already donated the $85,000 something else All right, you're on ellie. All right the committee thanks the voters for their support of the skate art practice We are so so grateful Following their approval We have a construction proposal to work out with you the select board and the administration We want to get on michael parker's schedule for this summer we We feel that he has given us a good proposal um, cow cart ride As a construction business prior proprietor Is willing to take on the responsibility of overseeing the project and we We have submitted it to you And we're here to Get your feedback and get get Um, because Michael parker has been so wonderful over the years. He he works with us. He bends he he um He says his schedule is getting very busy for the summer, but he's raring to go So, um, I love the stuff for you to for your um zoning permit. So obviously you have to go to the drb first So I did give you a copy of The map of where the underground power is as well as the easement So I want to make sure that for sure that shane saw that as well as kyle Yeah, because you make need to do and you're always good at that shane making some adjustments Also, yeah, since you did not get your fill of that grant then you're like really tight like 320 bucks So I know that what shane did last time was kind of paired a couple things back And I did Was all Fused between the land water conservation and the vorac and but I think I've got that figured out I wrote to Land water conservation because they had said you had to do a cement walkway But vorac said you could do a block. I'm like, oh lord so So the town or the vorac will build the black top Um sidewalk which and land water conservation agreed that that was okay if it wasn't concrete It was black top and I did write to her After I got your email about the fence to clarify Everything you guys wrote looked like construction fence But yet she called out fence and I'm like So I did write to her and I have not heard back yet But we'll know all that before you you'll have to know all that before you go to the d r b And the the walkway is going to cost for the vorac Um, I don't know it won't matter to you because it's not coming out of your pot of money It's coming out of the 300 000. So you you have to do You guys have to do that handicap ramp. That's part of land water conservation. So but you you know that and I'm sure you're where the Dimension since you guys wrote the grant and um, so yeah, because there was definitely some confusion about You know, I didn't want anyone to overlap But um, so the d r b will be the ones to agree On your layout Certainly to make sure you meet your setbacks, etc Because it's a municipal project it automatically has to go to the d r b. You know, we can't prove our own stuff Yeah, it'd be multiple times and yeah, and we have a copy. I have the copy of the permit they gave us Yeah, and uh, so here they the copy of the permit they gave us before and approved our thing in um The fall of 2018 But yeah, just remember but all bets are off now because of that underground power and I had talked to you But I know because the permits are only for a certain time Exactly. So I knew that we would have to do another permit. I know so Yeah, so basically I I was For seeing that we would do another permit and go before him again because I knew this one Yeah, was good for only a limited number of time and I think yeah phase one this one was in 2018 and the the um Expiration date has passed exactly. Yeah, so I was anticipating that we would need to do another one That's why I'm on I I as soon as we got the proposal for michael parker I said let's get on the agenda. Yeah, and so the select board, you know, obviously so then you'll get you go to the d.r.b They'll give you the ultimate approval, but um, so yeah, so you should be the only question obviously was monetarily But and remember that was an estimate from dylan a while ago But you have a copy so you could always get an updated estimate from dylan and I did I wasn't sure what you were going to do but I did you could see in my math I gave it to everybody that I took the 8 000 off thinking you were going to have dylan do it and then michael would give you a credit and So I wasn't sure I was just trying to give you the numbers and and and and yeah, and we want to work out and see if we can work out the Evacuation stuff and the price for that. Yeah, I think we have time to do that Um, and I appreciate that you sent the revenue List and everything but I do want to point out one thing On that list you put the mark off fund. Yeah, that was the amount that gave me, right? Yeah, but that the mark of fund was giving to us the committee in the spring of 2016 Yeah, but that that's for the purpose of expanding the health and activities of families at the center It's not for the skate park Okay, it's not it's not in any revenue for the skate park Okay, so then you're gonna have to come up with more money, so then you're gonna have to cut more. Okay. I'm sorry I thought that it when you said that that is that is not okay because when you said like last time you said I hadn't included it So that's fine. I'm happy to I'll take that. That's no big deal So just so you know you got to come up with more money, right? And then and then in that figure that you gave me we had a fundraiser um and and $189 we just fundraised in February. Okay, so that we can add to it too. All right. I think yeah, I don't know if I went back I don't think I went back and yeah, no you didn't all right. We'll close anyways You get what you're short a little bit. Yeah, so I assume that chain will work his magic and will Yeah, scale back the skate park and you'll have you may have to anyways because of the dr B and you can't right because of the underground power situation Right, I honestly don't know Shane if you're gonna have to add on both ends Or what because the width is a funky beast now With the uh, we did follow the flags in the yard Yeah, and I gave you a drawing with the measurements Richard took from the corner of the existing skate park So I actually gave you some like solid numbers We have an idea about how close to the hole in the ice we can go And we'll tune it as needed, but that was the biggest reason we rounded the corner of of the design so that we had Clearance to do what we needed and still some decent continuity to the park. Yeah So I I think I'm pretty sure we can make it work But we'll we'll pay very careful attention to whatever people tell us for numbers and stuff Well, and once we do um when you're finally have an idea that michael is coming I'm happy to have which I think might help is to have dig save come back Before you know before dylan or whoever you get to dig digs But certainly just keep in mind that you know, we need proof of insurance, you know And I can talk to kyle about all this but proof of insurance Updated w9 from him and I can help kyle with if he wants to hire dylan I can put them in contact or whatever they want to do But I really appreciate kyle ovary. That's why I sent the email I just I'm gonna have possibly a 2.5 million dollar water project. We got a big paving I just have too many roads dug up to deal with escape park So I really appreciate you guys and kyle dealing with that Yeah, I just wanted to make sure because there's specific requirements to your grant and getting you know in the states involved I'm like Yeah, we're on but detri will help you with that You could always get all chained reach out to detri where the pool opens about hoses and tell her about construction All good about that Is that considered like a superficial thing that can get closer to the underground power without counting against our square footage Well, you wouldn't be building the sidewalk vorac will well No, my my point was like Does that three or four foot wide sidewalk? Cut into the available footprint that we would be able to use to get closer to the underground Is it considered a topical treatment to the space? I don't know. That's a good question. I actually will I don't I don't have the easement in front of me. I'll have to double check because There's plenty of time that people have sidewalk over underground runs Right, that's that's pretty normal, but I want to make sure that that's also normal for what we're trying to do Sure, let me find out. I can talk to um No, it's not because you do have a parking lot and on top of it. Yeah, and you do have we do have um The gazebo and the ice rink on top of electrical lines too Yeah, but they we had this is a new easement and they were pretty specific in their language if you noted Like more than gmp's ever been. Yeah, well, let me find out and I'll email you guys Also a separate comment on the sidewalk if it's if we do have some decent funding for the skate park and sidewalk stuff Um, this if the sidewalk continued all the way to the other end of the of the skate park It would give kids like an on and off ramp Like if they missed missed the jump a little bit or something They would have a little more forgiveness. So if that was It would give the park better continuity too if the sidewalk went all the way to the end All the way to the other end of the skate park I'm not sure we'll be able to adjust that because it's already was approved in the volret grant And it was and I'm not sure how specific but we just hired the you know the project manager tonight So I may have to dig into that a little bit with chris and you just look through the plan See it was chris fours. Oh good. Yeah, so I will look and I'll read read the easement again and figure out the whole sidewalk thing I can talk to our local gmp representative too. I know when I'd asked him about the skate park I'm like, well, can we build the skate park over he's like new But whether we run the sidewalk, I don't think We I would think that they would allow us but you're still gonna have to stay within 10 feet of their on your side Of their easement. So if even if he lets us run our sidewalk over Um, I don't think it's gonna help you gain you any ground. Oh, sorry, Dave. Dave might know When you talk about power under the parking lot and over the ice cream and all that is secondary power That only has to be buried That that piece but I Thinking that they're going on The power. Yeah I could be wrong But I know that power has to be 42 inches deep and accessible the secondary is only 18 inches deep It's too even though it's electric. It's different So just be prepared for them to say no I guess what I'm saying To the reservoir Yeah, from the telephone pole straight up Under the parking lot Up through the field. That's the same one Yeah, so let me reread the easement and I can also Oh, here we go. Make myself a note and I'll also reach out to our local Gmp person who is not k. La Pauly. It's Okay, who I forget, but I'll reach out to them and then also too I'll just need a heads up before you start any excavation like Give me a month or something because dig safe can be slow and I can call dig safe and have them come back and remark For sure But let me look at that Shane and I'll email you guys because I know for a fact you can't come within 10 feet Of you have the ease on your side, but I can double check on the side Yeah, I'll I'll reread it because I don't think they called outside walk specific, but let me just verify Yeah, it could be on the back edge of the skate park That one yeah, I know but there's a setback thing There might I think there will be a setback on the back plus two vorac only has x amount of dollars to build it from the existing so It's a whole bit of a intertwined web, but I'll um, I'll look at it Shane Um also So we're gonna have to meet with drb before the official sign on with parker. Is that correct? Um Well the drb This you've got the money because it was given to you at town. You know what your budget is I don't know what the select board is going to do but the dr You can't do anything until you have your drb approval and post your permit for 15 days You could say depending on what the drb. Yep, you can do the contract Which is what I said to the select board in my notes was that they could they would be pending drb approval Yeah, okay, so you can approve tonight And we can get dates from michael parker and then that could be depending on what the drb Yeah, because there's a certain process one thing that I did not see directly in parker's Uh proposal was all the dimensions of all of the features Um, I don't want something getting missed So if I don't know what kyle had sent him by way of dimensions Or some of the you know we we threw together a concept It was drawn to scale and it has real dimensions in my cab file But I don't know if he transcribed 100 of that geometry into his The the images that he returned in his proposal. I don't know. I never saw I didn't see what kyle sent to him And when you do your sit down to do your drb application, it has to be very specific You have to measure your setbacks. You have to tell them exactly the width and the dimension of exactly what you're building so you'll have to have a meeting and sit down with kyle and and um because when you see the second page of the zoning application has like little grids and you have to say how many What dimension each grid is that sort of thing? And so they're going to want all the details in relation to You know spatial relations a couple things that are already there too So um and you know The drb is good. You guys have been in front of them before and worst case scenario. They need more information. They'll table you for a couple of weeks Yes Before we agree contractually. Yeah, I'm not sure that you have even You haven't even submitted your drb application yet So we don't have to the select board if they approve it. We'll just say yeah pending drb approval Perfect. Thank you So Can we so i'm having a hard time? Oh, I can through the revenue and cost piece of this So the way it was set up. So could you let could you tell us what the total revenue is? And then what the total cost and then I have a second question is If i'm reading this right, why would we? parker's Quote includes all the excavation of materials for seventy seven thousand. Yep. So why would we deduct? Why would we take the optional deduction of eight thousand and then hire somebody that's going to cost more than eight thousand dollars do the Because no it doesn't say that because parker says right on his first page It says the town of bethah will be responsible for final grading ditching and seating around the state park And um, so last time we did that we had to pay We paid dylan separately to do that and it also says right here On page two that the town of bethah will provide the drainage basic soil drainage grading receding And obviously any of the signage um, but that's just that's this drainage And grading that would be sloping away from the park or whatever, but yeah, so here he's saying that okay So I get what you're saying so he's saying count subcontracts the removal of topsoil and sub With replacement and I didn't bring dylan's breakdown of his price So which I can I mean I think you have to carry some cost. Yeah to do some Some drainage or grading away from the park so everything drains correctly, but I I think What you have here is not exactly I think park I think what parker's saying is he's going to do everything except for any type of drainage improvements, right? And that would be on the town which which is what he states that they will be responsible for the grading ditching By taking the $8,000 deduction and then adding 16 into it. You're going to be paying more money than you could have if you just hired Yeah, well hired somebody to come in for a day or two and clean up around the park It's not going to take a lot. Well when we did last time I think ellie the cleanup that we did last time we ended up having to pay dylan And it was several thousand dollars. It was like at least six grand nine to cut that's right nine grand He did the excavation work too, but he came in he charged us nine to come in and do all the final top soil the whole finish product was nine and then We did pay him to do the original digging and excavation because I think it was going to be cheaper But I certainly can go through and do a bit different or Better break. I would just I would just take a good look at that and make sure you have a good handle on it Because I don't think that at the end of the day You know It's going to take eight thousand dollars to do any Ditching in final grade. Yeah, because that's what he charged last night I don't I can look at dylan's bill certainly because he and I can always get more information from dylan If he only did a portion of it so he could break it down so we could see And the people that we've talked to about Doing excavate and we wanted we've been trying to get comparisons Between dylan's and other people here in town. Yep to see if we can work out maybe a cheaper Yeah, cheaper one so So at the top of the Sheet the revenues I put in the packet I took her land conservation grant the sea above was revenue She'd raised before donation coin drops and then I had it I had one expense in here because I'd already included it in the revenue I had to reimburse someone for food cost iobi was um the work that um Lindsay had done with the you know online programming and then here's some more donations And I had put in the balance of the marco fund because I misunderstood I thought ellie wanted it applied to this project So that's how I came up with this two thousand four hundred and thirty dollars and fifteen cents and you can see I applied it below So I took parkers seventy seven thousand Minus the eight thousand for optional deduction and then added back in dylan because dylan's quote Was based on doing the excavation and the final grade work the 52 800 is um The land water conservation match That they raised they ended up getting at first we thought it was going to be 25 000 but they ended up giving a little bit more money And um you can see right here the 2004 30 is basically fundraising that she She came that ellie did or in her group did over the required match because they had to match that 26 400 And then their 30 000 voted in town meeting makes them short 329 dollars and 85 cents, but um So yeah, so roughly it's 85 thousand dollars is the Cost of the park cost and the revenue is Within 300 dollars that's that's right. Yes Yeah, yeah, so what because my total revenue is 83 thousand seven hundred ninety Dollars and 40 cents. Yeah, so we're within spittin distance but I can um I had sent you uh dylan's proposal But I certainly can look at that again because I don't have it in front of me and I can look and see for the 16 000 That dylan I can see if he broke it out as to what part would be final grading and what part would be the prior So maybe we could try to Compare because either way you're going to pay for the final grading and stuff So I can look at dylan's estimate again. Um, I know I sent it to you, but I can look at it again I'll make it a little closer at dylan's Yeah, number Versus the $8,000 deduction. Okay Oh, yep. Oh good. Yep. Sure Bottles, yeah, awesome. Yeah Yeah, of course you guys are always fun brazing So yeah, so I think that My advice would be your next plan would be to sit down with Certainly your group and shane and Kyle to do your map to just figure out because then you can kind of see Exactly where your easement is where you have and and I've sent you everything I have for that so that you can um That way when you go to the drb, it's all, you know straightforward for them. Yeah Yeah So I think once the grass is showing and dig safe shows up again That'll be all the documentation we need We can take pictures and put like little pins in where the We intend the perimeter of our stuff to be yeah, and but that'll be too the drb won't Drb, if you're going to the drb now You have to have your map, you know done now. So um, yeah, that's mason You get we already did the measurements for you right off the corners of the skate park And then you can see where he triangulated it to a Storm drain cover or a sewer cover so you could see you know all of his numbers Because I verified it the other day with richard All right Yeah, I think I think around it or more than compensated for the 10 feet. Okay. It's probably like That's off memory That's what there is there now We're going to be by the three inches from the power line and they're gonna put in 30 feet wide place Well, not right there. They're not they're gonna have to go off one end But like I said, we haven't seen them after the drb so and So dame, it's like 20 feet wide not 30 It's 20 existing now, and then it would be another 16 or whatever we can get away with And that's my corner. You've only got 12 feet Yeah, so they're not going to touch the front so obvious that's it. Okay. I'll have I'll have to see this stuff again. Yeah So in the end because it's a municipal project it will go to the drb so You know as we said Huh? Yes, they do. Yeah. I already made the drb copies. Um, right for it. So um, so what motion Do you need tonight because it sounds like there's Potentially some changes that will happen to parkers quote, right? Because you were gonna double check to make sure all the features and stuff were correct um So if any of that stuff changes, I'm just trying to figure out like what is the motion that we put forward so that there are any Changes that are with a reason that they can be done and I'll have to be re-approved or So on and so forth. So so you haven't put in your zoning application yet So you're not even going no because it's may second that the permit that we have an appointment with that's what I was gonna say So you'll be going on the second. Okay. I thought it was early may Yeah, any second is our appointment with the drb so your When will you have sat? I guess here's the question that they're looking for is perhaps When will you've stalked talk to michael parker about time this week or whatever? We just want to get some if we're go gun Whatever we want to make sure that he has a certain time frame That he it's available for him to do the work. So I'm understanding right ellie. It's we're looking for your approval pending drb Approval to give michael a commitment say weird word go where go what what when right? Is that what you're asking? Yeah, when when in august Can are you open? Mr. Parker when in august are is this so many weeks? Yeah Includes or does not include the eight thousand dollar option It includes the eight thousand includes. Yeah, so If we were to approve to 77 And we didn't need it I'm not sure it's a monetary award. They know what their budget is. They know how much money they have They're basically just looking for some sort of a question Correct Pending drb approval because if that doesn't get approved we understand So again the the cost of the park that I come up with is 85,560 dollars That's the that's if you take it this way 77 thousand dollars, but we take the eight thousand dollar Option out and then we add in Dylan's price So let's assume that's the most expensive price, right? And so that's 77 minus the eight add in 16 560 And I get 85 560 is that sound right? Yeah Well, I'm just trying to Because what happens is if we make an approval and then you change it You're gonna need approval again unless we can approve it with something like a monetary value, right? So we could say You know, we're we're going to make an approval for the park not to exceed 85 560 Yeah, assuming that you get your your approvals for Right on the local drb, etc, etc Because I'm just trying to make it so that you guys have some leeway So you don't have to come back to get approval if some changes Yeah, yeah, that's reasonable if you if you approve Like you said 85,000 Then we know what to work for because we know we have 83,795 560 yeah, I mean If we were able to raise other funds though, we'd want a little bit of wiggle room on that so have a disclaimer for Oh I actually disagree. I mean at some point you got to call it and the fact is you don't know what you're going to run into in the ground If it's really muddy you need you have basically there's like no contingency in here So I think if you called it at 85,000 and you're still 329 bucks short if the whole total is 85,560 I think anything you fundraise over this You need some sort of cushion because if you start excavating and you find, you know, hafa You're you're all of a sudden This skate park just got really small because of all the costs that you're going to have tied up in excavation So, you know, so I think that we're you know what I mean? There's just like there's no wiggle room here So that's my concern is you're just super tight and god forbid. There's something Under there we don't know about or we could put in the motion that you know That it's not to exceed 85 560 that includes Well, that is it that is a reference to a 1400 square foot addition to the Park So we're not Expanding out so even if tony hawk himself shouldn't today the million dollars that we're staying at 1400 square feet Now if you want to add accessories to the park then that would give them the leeway To fundraise and put accessories on the park, right? Right Now does the sidewalk count against the 1400 or whatever number? No, the sidewalk is vorac. No, that's told. That's like we're just gonna call. That's my project So no the only thing that counts against you is your ada accessible And I can't remember the dimensions on that thing but that that counts on your square footage But no the other one is my problem Yeah My square footage it 50 by 4 the sidewalk is 50 by 4 Yeah, but I don't know what your ada ramp is. I don't know what that is Specifically, but no your side the sidewalk does not count against you Shane just the handicap Who's going to make sure that sidewalk? Me Yep. So yeah, it'll be me and i'm sure i'm sure kyle will too Yeah, and i'll deal with that because that's i'm gonna have to deal with the sidewalk issues along with some other But wreck stuff. So that's not your problem. So if the sidewalk's different then the actual addition to the skate parks 1152 square feet. That's all right Yeah Probably yeah, because this the sidewalk doesn't count. This is this is a preliminary This is as close to concept as we could whip up in a weekend. So this is I would say it's It could use some refinement And if if the footprint Could grow or shrink a little bit. I didn't want that like You know 10 percent or something. I didn't want that like being a deal breaker for For finishing the park. Yeah Well, we can just if it's 11 50 11,100 Sorry 1,152 square feet. We could just say 1,400 round it up Not to exceed right again. It's a not to because again like the the formal way of doing this would be Here is the exact contract that michael parker wants us to sign with all the items on it You know so that we know 100 that that is exactly what he's going to build Where right now we don't have that so i'm trying to give you the leeway So you don't have to come back again and do it again. Yeah, I agree. So That makes sense if you want to So I guess the motion if Yeah, so I guess the two things I want to put in the motion is so the motion would be to approve phase two of the skate park And the contingencies would be that it wouldn't exceed 85,560 dollars Or unless Fun raised further And then that the the footprint would not exceed 1400 square feet And they have to have And d r b Any any further questions or anything added to the motion? I know I know i'm just trying to make sense trying to cover all your bases and you're trying to give them flexibility And you want them to build what they'd like to build it all works together. You have anything to add to that lindley She's like no Okay, so that's the motion on the table. So just need second I made the motion So second by gene all in favor All right So we are good Thank you, thank you, thank you really appreciate Appreciate all you do. Yeah, so I'll look into the easement and the sidewalk and we'll just I'm sure once kyle's back We'll be in touch and then once I know it's gonna get Dig safe back Thank you very much. Thank you very much. Have a good night. Thanks And do we have anything public comment was other than on online and Joanne The list is growing as long as she's staying oh boy No, I just have one thing I saw tonight come into town for the south main street One of those round manhole covers is off the hold. Where? Come in into town before you get to the town office. It's on the right hand side Right on that last little curve. Oh, thank god. It's completely off the oh, thank you for so much. All right He set up a youtube camera just to capture whoever hits that Yeah, it makes some money on that one That's right. Um, it could have been like a big truck or something roll over Thank you, and yeah, oh one does have his hand up when I leave here. I'll buzz down that way and see if it's still like that Yeah, thanks. Let me know text me or I gotta go that way. Anyways, I gotta go Yeah, oh one has his hand up. Thank you. All right on Hi y'all um Oh in here. I just uh wanted to say let us know how we can help with the green mountain power project and grant I heard some discussion about equity and inclusion and You know our our group is small but mighty But I can already think of at least two people that I think would be really interested in being a part of that So just let us know Alrighty ready Pam's gonna send you an email joanne if she hasn't already just she was in here cleaning the other day And there was something she had a hard time like some a lot of paper that had been discarded And she said she had to flip the can over to drag it out and Oh, so she got it Oh, that was nice. Yeah, she said She couldn't figure out What was in there and she I got laughing because you know Pam She of course she won't leave it. So she said I knocked the can over. I'm dragging it out and I was like, oh lord Thank you. That was very nice. Yeah, thank you. It was just she was she's like I said send joanne an email. She'll take she'll take care of it Okay Anything else public comment wise Okay here and none We'll finish up town managers report whatever you had left there and we did it Fair mind of it so With help from chris jarvis I submitted a congressional earmark for to welch's office for four for 1.4 million That'd be for the first one-half miles of campbrook road and it includes Lining the large culvert near charlene shepherd's house So we're going to know by the end of april if senator welch is going to support our request or not So if he's not there may be opportunities for us to try with somebody else, maybe bernie sanders again or um Oh, i'm john Thank valent valent maybe i'm not sure so um So we did get that In there's also some information in here about our agreements of the bank since obviously there's nationally been some bank Uh destabilization Also, let you know that The public planning commission is going to be holding their public hearing on the zoning bylaws on april 20th. So It behooves you To attend or to have looked through the zoning in advance because If you have a concern or question, let me know Or comment we'll deal with it the planning commission can deal with it then They they make any changes they need to do and then it comes to you So yes, you have to have a public hearing But if you make any substantive changes it kicks it back to the pc So it behooves you to get let the pc deal with it before it gets to you Um, so but no one's ever been able to tell us what the definition of substantial changes, right? It's exactly How much is substantial versus substantial? We actually talked about this a little bit at the pc It is kind of funny minor stuff I I guess if you all of a sudden wanted to change Cutting a zoning district acreage. She'd probably say that's it But it's also just nice and that'll be set up just like normal where the changes will be highlighted Yeah, and I think I'd sent you guys a link to that already not denise because she already had it Yeah, and I say you someone sent it to me I sent it to you guys, um all of you but denise because denise as I said in the email was well versed in it So, um the other thing that I had told you about a while ago was that In 2010 the select board had added 5.81 miles of class 4 town highway um a piece of that was pond road and So I talked to joanne. Thank you very much. I talked to joanne's brother I talked to people and then I have brought gene burnham came in god bless her soul and she researched these miles And we you the gentleman jonathan croft at the state gave us some information and It we're not going to add any of that. They're not class 4 roads because what I don't understand the process and of course unfortunately for us all of the ancient road committee members have deceased our deceased now It appears for any of the notes that I found that when they were added the select board approved them But they still needed research to be done and they should never have been submitted to the state without the mapping and all of this research And gene went through deed after deed after deed and we can't find where people You know referred to them as town roads. We don't have them As laid out as town roads, so Yes, and in jonathan's notes a lot of them and pencil said You know needs mapping or needs research, so i'm not sure how would all happen and there's no one to ask I've been through their notes and gene's been through deeds So I reached out to the state and told jonathan that it would be my recommendation to select board that you do nothing They're they're not town roads. We have no proof that they're town roads and He said that was fine. You don't have to take any action. They did not add them in 2010 This town of bethle was notified multiple times that they needed information and they never did it until something Actually, some of the question on pawn road came up and I was like it's not a road. It's not on the map and then we went and did the research It must have been somehow part of the ancient roads, but the ancient roads. I think deadline was like 2014 or 15 That's when you had to Yeah, it did deadline, but then the state legislature passed another Extension to it not an extension. They just originally it was supposed to everything that wasn't Saved as ancient road was supposed to go by by and they changed but they changed it, of course There was another they another that was like 14 or 15 when it was supposed to Exactly didn't move them to a class 4th road then they were yeah, right It doesn't affect anybody's property So people still have you know Access or easement to their you know property, but we have no proof and we've looked at everything I condesced one one woman was wonderful at the state. She went down in their paper files and sent me stuff and gene finally said That's it. Trees my head's gonna explode. I can't find any of this and then I actually had a very good conversation with, um, Mr Lana Lana the Surveyor excuse me. Mr. Lana and we were had a good conversation about it last week. So So anyways, just wanted to let you know, we finally are I say we gene, you know reserve, but we're just not gonna act on it Yep Sure You bet and I can't watch you bet And then I can also put a fence across there If I want to at the corner the brook I don't see why not. I mean it's still it's not a town road. So I don't know why you can't Yeah, and I'm not sure isn't I have to look at the map. You just have to be careful of isn't the first beginning a pond Is town it's after right? I'd have to look at the state highway map I'll have to look because that first part of pond may be a town road It may be what goes beyond that was I don't have a state highway map in front of me So I'll look if if it's all private from the get go then all We'll get just on So I will look I'll let me look join because I don't know I'm gonna put pond road private pester mark And but yeah after whatever you do on your property behind you is Your business and the gentleman who bought the property that does but You was in the same mind as you he didn't want but going you know He was all good. You guys were on the same page. Don't worry about people drop You know sometimes that we've seen the ups driver go down that road Oh Yeah, the flooding on that brook has tore up down by that culvert. Well, we have had some crazy stories of some Like went into the 18 wheelers try to take exactly Overgoing garments as that's the shortest. Well, they tried to go past hooper hollow Past what's the gent Robert Franks? They because they so they left a perfectly good paved road to go out hooper hollow and got stuck out in the Pucker brush because they thought it was a quick ride So But yeah, let me look at that join. I'll send you an email this week and let you know So if it is all you then we could certainly change it to private No Sorry Yeah, good. Yeah. Hey good on you Um, but so that finally we put that to bed. So thank god And um, I'm still working on sugar hill Defund the history of that bomb updated your rules of procedure to have the edits in it that you wanted and um So I think with the sugar hill one it might be Might be good here in the next Before anything, you know go and whack all that stuff down. Well, I know I talked Morgan about it. Yeah, anything buds there Well, what's I think most of his gripe was just knocking that stuff down and then you could You know look at Yeah, I got some more I talked to bev washburn I actually talked to joanne because the road lay out another time but the road layout is actually not as sugar hill And so I talked to I have pulled everything I can find talked to joanne talked to Um, mr. Lana, and I have a feeling that how it's laid out is that Since we I can't find the original road survey. It looks like it may have been laid out originally as part of camp brook road So the state of Vermont sent me this really handy dandy like eight page Thing lists roads and what book and page they're recorded in the layout And I have a feeling Because most people that lived on there originally had an address that was either rule rude or a certain number camp brook Because I can't find it as davis Freeland You know it became sugar hill around 911 Which is exactly when they would have been saying if there's more than two houses or three houses You're going to get an item in one address. So I swear everything as a research project lately. So, um But I did call joanne to pick her brain and I didn't hear from bev washburn. So um We're still working on The original survey of that road Anything else on yours? No, I that's good You have the uh select board meeting minutes from the 13th of march So paul sent me an email today. I've noted that at the beginning the title should say minutes and not agenda. So Yeah, so there is a correction there one correction at the end It says the next meeting of the select board will be april 27th Oh It was wishful thinking denise. I know She tried to select one by us To watch her she does that one So all right april so I didn't even I just read it I was like julie's julie's right. I was So So any other I will fix that. So that's march. That's funny That you were right. I was like it looked good to me I've read it and proof read it and made adjustments and still didn't catch it. So change the title And next meeting date. That's funny So just uh any other further amendments to the Meeting minutes if not just need a motion to approve the Minutes as amended Okay, move sounds like davin denise got it covering. Okay, all in favor And where there was a couple other Um communications in the back Any other business there you want to talk about evan drive quickly. Yeah, so um, I Put on the table a letters. Um, so we had had an issue with avon drive. Um, and you dealt with it in Oh october so Derek and sally had sent us a residence of avon drive had sent us a letter in october 2020 regarding their request To have the road bed of avon drive moved I think you guys remember when and derrick came to a select board meeting. We sent him a letter and um Then since most recently sally has been into the office multiple times and she fell has felt she said that gw tatro Um, and here's some pictures. I'm just gonna share them with you This says photos taken by a and e prior to construction and these are the photos i took the other day So if you guys want to look at them, okay She put she stated that tatro had removed rocks from the wall at the base of avon drive And um That tim had taken pictures of it and she talked to them about it I Just got pictures from a and e that they took prior to construction and then I went and took pictures the other day And even if you look at the stones, they all Line up and I talked to uh, mic manor a and e and he said, you know Stone walls in vermont are very protected and he said all contractors and he said engineers know that you give Um stone walls like that a wide berth because you don't want to disturb them So he felt that there was no change That they had not taken any stones or done any damage to that when you see dug up Obviously the snow plow has been up there recently and so torn up a little bit of dirt but so I had told sally that I would research it and if in fact that we had done damage to the stone wall It would be our responsibility and we'd take care of it But mic I sent him the pictures and he he sent me his and he was like no and we had not He felt that we had not damaged it um Obviously, um, so I I wrote a letter to to um sally and derrick saying that Giving her copies of the photos that were taken by a and e the photos I took told her that um Gw tatro roof stones she stated they had removed stones from the wall at the entrance I told her the enclosed photographs show no evidence of that either in the road bed or the stone wall itself um And I had also told sally that tim mills may have taken more photos during the water project But since his untimely passing I do not have access to those photos even if they exist If that changes, I'll happily provide you with copies of any photos He may have taken on avon drive near the stone wall But currently if you look at the wall and the ground she tatro didn't disturb that and um So today this morning. I didn't realize um She called the town office and spoke to pam and told pam That she wanted the select board tonight to walk avon drive um as part of your meeting because Brenda her neighbor Got more got hard pack and she didn't And brenda got more paving up to the door of her house and she did You know the project is done in or with and has been and you know, we have been through This the layout of the road isn't changed. It's a 20 foot road. She has a copy of the Road survey where it was laid out. Um, I provide her with photos before and after the project The select board stated in 20 When she came when it derrick came before that they felt that the matter was closed and that um You know you weren't that um, we had a map created by sandborn map company dated november 1922 It demonstrated that avon drive is not found outside. It's historic right of way. So You know, there's just nothing here that's really actionable and um It's unfortunate that she feels that way that the town has taken, you know property, but The road is the road is the road and it's been there and certainly there's no proof whatsoever that tatro Removed any stones in the wall nor would they have needed to So, um I prepared the letter that I left on your table and we'll give that to to sally and derrick and um You know, I'm not really sure what else to do at this point. Obviously if there's any damage from the snow plow Um, we'll clean it up in the spring Fine by me. I I didn't see any um, so I guess issues with it and I stopped today to look at it and I And then from the pictures, I can't really tell that there's any difference Yeah, I mean and there's just and sometimes during construction I mean we go on one person's property a little more than another so then maybe Someone got a little more material a little more paving because we disturbed more or something like that and yeah And then some of the grapes that I saw most recently It's just some of the things that are associated with winter maintenance. There's some Yeah, some soils that have been Um disrupted due to plowing That will get fixed and when we went up there too, remember brenda was on the old line that came up from behind here That went across so her water line even came in from a different direction So she had to be connected because we didn't originally have an easement from her But once we got up there she changed her mind and wanted to be added to the new system. So You know, I feel that tim managed the project and a and e we had a construction manager representing us on site. So I I just I'm not sure what we can do. This is not It is not this oh no, no, it's well, it's all typed up in in her box, but no, I'm gonna call sally tomorrow I thought she might be in today, but I would take the sentence out that says if that changes I will happily I you don't have tim's pictures. You just don't know. I know and I did tell her Nice, but yeah, well because I'm also trying to be transparent if we get them I would absolutely share them with her. We don't have anything to hide so But I can certainly take that sentence out if you'd like I had told her ahead of time that I was going to speak to his widow which I did and And you know if and she and Richard get together and get photos and I'm great. We certainly didn't do anything and I'm happy to share with her what I find but I can remove that sentence But I don't see anything wrong with it and it just seems like in this particular case There's been several instances of Things. Yeah, either the road had changed or now the wall and yeah, and now my neighbor Maybe got some more things than I got. Yeah, you just You know, yeah Yes, yeah, she well, I do believe that that's a true statement because I can certainly I know Tim well enough to know that he knew where there are areas where there may be friction And he would have said, you know, we're gonna You know be cognizant and make sure all the neighbors are treated well And I wouldn't surprise me if Tatra was one of them had out of consideration picked up the eagle and laid it on the lawn Which is pretty much what she said they'd done that they had knocked over they'd and I'm sure I said, I'm sure they do You know, they're vibrating the ground. They wouldn't have wanted to damage it. So I Would imagine We didn't have any complaints of the crew that was on the site at Derek himself Was at the meeting and I have it in the minutes where he thanked them and felt that they did a really good job You know, Tatra, so But yeah, I think he handled it well I don't I don't see there's any need for the select board to Go up and look at it but in at this point No, and we'll certainly send morgan up in the spring. We'll send Doug up next Yeah, if it needs to be raked up, it'll be the liaison to eve on drive So if it needs So if it needs to be raked or something needs to be cleaned up, we'll certainly take care of it in the spring and So, all right anything else come before the board All right, just need a motion to adjourn Look at that Dave