 Welcome back. It's still the breakfast and plus TV Africa as we focus on security in this discourse. Now some students of the Arbia State University, Uttaro have been kidnapped. The Thursday evening abduction took place in neighboring Emo State as the students were returning from Aki Gwee town. In Asia reporting the case, the Amgang that kidnapped them matched them into the forest along with all the travelers. Now these are still the growing list of mastered introductions which dates back to April 2014, where nearly 300 schoolgirls were abducted in Chibok, Bonn State. Now our public affairs analyst, Kenneth Ngweke, is joining us from Ariba State to talk about the best way to keep our schools safe. Many thanks for joining us on this discourse, Mr Ngweke. Good morning. Thank you and good morning. All right, let's just get into the crux of it right now. In my intro I talked about how it dates back to 2014, which had the kidnap of the Chibok students. Then again we had the Dapchi schoolgirls attack or kidnap. And then in recent time there has been several, there's Kankara, Kagara and Oliver, even now Tesher institutions. So what exactly have we failed to see since 2014 till now? Well having a bit of a network issue with Mr Ngweke, we're having a bit of a network issue with your line. Let's try to reconnect with you. All right, I think we should just take a break and we'll come back. I will try and reconnect with them. Kenneth Ngweke and as we discuss how to keep our schools safe in a moment, we'll be right back. Stay with us. All right, welcome back. It's still the breakfast and plus TV Africa. We still have Kenneth Ngweke, a public affairs analyst, and we are looking on how to keep the schools safe with the restive nature of security and of course schools around Nigerian not being safe. We just have to find a way to get lasting solutions to all of these issues. In my introduction Mr Ngweke, I talked about how it stemmed from 2014 in the Chibok abduction to Dapchi and now to lots that have happened in Niger and Kaduna State or of course the Greenfield and of course Afarka Mechanization School. How did we get all of this, this place that we are at at the moment and what have we failed to see in this stretch of you know seven years or 17 years? I think it's a long years of neglect and bad governance over time by successive governments at one level. So that's what has brought us to where we are today and so it's not about any political party about them and what I can describe as some kind of U.S. conspiracy on the top of those rules have found a sense of corridors of power over time at all levels of governance. You know and if I want to use my own words, it's kicked. It's kicked. It's so much looted that it is beyond the individuals and goes beyond the you know partisanship of political parties. So it's something that is sharing on everybody's faith no matter the political parties because it started in 2014 and here we are. Another political party was in power at that time and so it was like everything was so easy about that. Then another political party came on board thinking that it was an easy thing to do but all the totality of neglect you know of all those who have governed this country over time. So Ms Enweke, why do you think schools are being targeted in Nigeria? Of course that's the easiest place to you know access and make it possible to understand that there are people value education or that something that touches you know on the heart of the country and every Nigerian and then it goes beyond the religion when you talk about schools or that. So that is one place that can touch you know the heart of the nation and all that and I think that that's why those who are engaging this have decided to join this so that they have it and be careful access to the policy. I mean take a look at your screen right now you can find you know graphics of the details of mass abductions and kidnappings you know by Boko RAM insurgents bandit on schools in Nigeria. This one says here 2020 December 344 boys you know abducted in Kagara in Katana state lots of this one I mean Kagara and Niger State February 2021 27 people you know kidnapped one person killed and the list just goes on and on and on. I mean just take a look at December 2020 you know right now over 600 you know Nigerians or have been kidnapped and talking specifically about schools how can we assure and achieve a safe school environment in Nigeria? Do we now begin to look at alternatives you know regarding maybe the government deploying soldiers to all public and private secondary schools and universities in Nigeria? Is that the way to go? That will not be a problem entirely we need to resort to local arrangements because every institution is local you know so when you want to solve the problem you also go look and so that will have to be done in collaboration with the local you know vigilantes people as governments at all levels need to begin to recruit you know local vigilantes you know that to work in synergy with the security agencies and all that because even script agencies sometimes work is how to follow the situation because the locals understand the truth is that we are keeping these ones the locals also understand where these people are being kept and the locals are also involved in these exercises and all that so if you want to also solve the problem go look you know and assure that you use the vigilante local vigilante approach and then incentivize them you know properly and then profile them properly and then engage them you know and then back them up with love you know very well and then come in to work in synergy with the security agencies because when you want to tackle problems you know listen to do the rest of them but I think that's that I'm going through and so security Miss Senweke we're losing you unfortunately we're losing you Miss Senweke we'll try and reconnect with with him but lots of questions to be asked regarding the situation when he talked about you know you know exploring the aspect of using local vigilante is you know another question just you know hits my you know my man I was like do you really think that can actually you know solve this situation that we have in our hands you know most of this and bandits most of these you know kidnappers they bear arms and the local vigilante is are we going to be give them the rights to use them fire arms and don't you think it would actually lead to proliferation of you know small weapons and and light weapons and small arms in Nigeria those are the issues we need to look at because then again some people were also talking about you know lessons and trainings on the self help but it actually I bet it beats me because the truth is that when we have you know the the police when we have the DSS when we have the NSC DC you know why should we resort to helping ourselves so when ordinarily these people are the ones good question Justin still talking about self-help you know we'll be talking about this in detail but regarding self-help we've seen over and over over time in the news about communities coming together to contribute money to give to bandits and book arm insurgents as taxis or levies to prevent them from being attacked to prevent abductions it's just such a terrible situation that this is what we've gotten to and we've seen lots of people lots of political affairs analysts prefer solutions right now mr. Kenneth and wakie saying let's involve the local vigilantes we've seen prominent Nigerians like former vice president Atiko Babaka says let's reintegrate the retired military personnel people who have retired but reacting to this other analysts say these are people who these are military retired military people who did not possibly get their pension who are not well taken care of who are sick in the hospital without money to take care of their health so how do you then integrate or as we call these people to come back into active military service when they're basically we're abandoned and we're not taking care of you know in the time of retirement because if they were not taken care of for when they were in active duty you know they are in immigration they are pensions and all that are not paid as and when do you I mean there'll be no you know incentive to come back to just be lackluster if you asked me yes mr. Kenneth and wakie do we have you now all right so let's quickly wrap up this conversation how do we keep our school safe you know like I discussed with mr. wakie it seems that you know militarizing our schools might not necessarily be the answer getting soldiers to man schools across the country might not be the answer do we even have enough men you know to take them away from the war front even if they are even overwhelmed with you know the bulk of the issues are happening in the country yes so really sad but what I would want to engage our viewers you know on this particular matter you know you can just interact with us on all our various social media platform let's hear from you let's you know you know get your feedback concerning all of these issues and what you think are profitable solutions at plus cv africa on facebook twitter and of course instagram yes indeed and questions really burning questions we need to ask remember when the federal government you know began the safe school initiative we know how the united nations envoy for global education got involved millions of dollars pledged to make sure that schools are safe for our kids but how how effective they're calling for a probe of it there's several probes in like justin has said engage with us on the last issue media platforms it's at plus tv africa on facebook social um facebook twitter and instagram we'll be right back to talk more about security with representatives in kajuna state to stay with us