 to order. This is the seventh regular meeting of the 2010 2011 Common Council. And as is customary, our city clerk Sue Richards will read the quote of the evening. Thank you, Mayor. A mayor's country is not a certain area of land of mountains, rivers and woods, but it is a principle and patriotism is loyalty to that principle. Thank you, Sue, not to correct you, but it's a man's country, not a mayor's country. I said man, did I say mayor? It was it was a simple for you, but I like the change. Okay, moving on roll call, please. Oh, that was good. Okay. Boren, your bow, Bowers, Decker. excused, Kisha, here, Hammond, here, Hannah, here, Heidemann, excused, here, Kittleson, here, Montemayor, here, Radke, here, Ruinflesh, excused, Vanderweal, here, Bursey, here, and Wankerman, here, 13 eyes. We have a quorum now, Alderperson Kath will lead us in the Pledge of Allegiance. I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America, and to the republic for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible with liberty and justice for all. Thank you, Julie. Looking for approval of the minutes of the prior Common Council meeting. I'll move. Second. Motion in a second to approve the minutes under discussion. If there is none, all in favor, say aye. Aye. Opposed? Motion carries. Resignations, Attorney McLean. Thank you, Your Honor. There is one from Richard Hires advising that he's resigning from the redevelopment authority and parking and transit commission. Move to accept. We have a motion to accept in a second under discussion. If there is none, all in favor, say aye. Aye. Opposed? Motion carries. Mayor's appointments, Attorney McLean. Honorable members of council, hereby submit the following appointment for your consideration. Peter Pitner to be considered for appointment to the sustainable Sheboygan task force to fill the unexpired position of Sarah Thiel, whose term expires on 425-2011, signed by the mayor. That lies over. And hereby submit the following appointments for your consideration. Also to the sustainable Sheboygan task force, Ron Rinfleis to replace John Hill, the representative from the Sheboygan area school district, whose term expires 425-2011. Jeff Goans to replace Thomas Grittinger, the representative from UW Sheboygan, whose term expires on 425-2011. And Laura Gump to replace Pat Hartley, representative from Utility Company, whose term expires on 425-2011, signed by the mayor. Looking for a confirmation. Motion to accept. Second. We have a motion and a second to confirm the appointments. Under discussion. If there is none, roll call please. Oran? Aye. Bauch? Aye. Bowers? Aye. Yisha? Aye. Hammond? Aye. Hannah? Aye. Hot? Aye. Kittleson? Aye. Montamiore? Aye. Radke? Aye. Vanderheel? Aye. Bersie? Aye. And Wangeman? Aye. Thirteen Ayes. Motion carries. Do we have public forum this evening? Yes, we do. First on the list would be Dick Susha. Good evening. Good evening, Dick. Could you give me your home address, please 15 North Point Drive Sheboygan. We'll have five minutes. Thank you Sheboygan County Taxpayer Alliance Thanks to Common Council for addressing many of the proposals that we submitted a year ago While all the items were not addressed The ones that were are having a positive effect on our city and you are to be congratulated for those Now we request that you and the mayor Continue your positive efforts in addressing our 2010 proposals We refrain from adding any Wands such as the electronic voting Board that we feel is necessary, but is not Necessary at this time so we fully understand the Economic times that we're in and our 2010 proposals stay focused on Suggestions to institute things now and in the near future So we submit the following Proposals for your consideration You have the proposals in front of you I won't narrate all of them But to highlight every one of under the master plan it was talked about to have a And such as the county has had a comprehensive priority study of all departments We really urge you to do this and this be the first step We also urge and we understand you don't have a planning director now But we have to have that 10-year development plan And we certainly have to have the public works come up with a five-year Streets program We also are encouraging the development further development of Industrial Parkland heavens knows we need jobs in this area and a combination of the new Sheboygan County The economic development corporation is a step in the positive in in the right direction That along with the new north and the Wisconsin way are good groups to Bond together. Hopefully we can do some things on a state level in regards to binding arbitration In regards to shared services. We still think you should look at the Combining with the county in other words have a county run library Maywood and a Wildwood complex to be run by the county The proposal that was passed fairly recently on the new Spellman technologies was a step in the right direction a good step But we shouldn't wait for the Five years before we start combining the dispatch We also should look further. I know we did that a few years ago about Outsourcing jobs such as garbaging garbage collecting and so forth Now is still a good time to do that. You're talking about it with with tree trimming There are other areas that can help our public works department Still do a job and keep the city of Sheboygan Looking great, even though they are getting chop chop chop We urge you also to not at this point restructure the city departments until The city administrator comes on board now. That's not saying it's going to be next year or the year after But the city administrator should have that authority To line up his departments as he see fit as he sees fit or she sees fit so therefore we urge you to approve the recommendations of the structure the government structure committee the fire department issue we feel is still not over We are urging the Elimination of the ambulance by fiscal 2001 We are still asking for separate financial statements and During this time after the phasing out of the ambulance you can then Determine how best to serve this city with fire protection fire protection and I want to emphasize fire protection We can set the table of organization not only in public works And transit but also in the fire department we also are urging you to Look at the transit division you have some attachments there Where some cuts can be made and we should look at department of public works and Transit vehicle maintenance combining for some cost savings You have to look at or the redevelopment authority should certainly look at the ground leases that are delinquent The city is not a Bank But there are 40 outstanding loans totaling about five million dollars So let's really be more careful and scrutinize some of those loans and even grants that are being issued We also urge you again to look at a more uniform Schedule for the public work. I mean of the committee of the whole Fast minute fast minute. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you Mayor mayor Schneider Mayor sushi, excuse me Mayor's country next next on the list is Tom Jensen is Tom here this evening Tom Jensen Okay, that's it. Okay, that is all for public forum Under mayors announcements. I will be brief First of all we have an effort moving forth to put an emergency call box at King Park an emergency call box being something that will dial directly to 911 any any event of any Emergencies at King Park namely water emergencies Our own alderman Hannah being the generous type of individual he is has written a personal check for a thousand dollars to start this effort I have it right here. No, we haven't cashed it yet. So we don't know if it's any good We need about four thousand four to five thousand dollars to put this together So if there are any concerned citizens out there that would like to donate to this cause That we can get an emergency call box down at King Park. We greatly appreciate it But I do thank Alderman Hannah for stepping forward and starting this effort One other announcement. This is not an announcement. This is more of a thank you We have a lot of city employees that do a great job I do a tremendous job, especially with these amount of staff that we have now Keeping the city running, but occasionally you have one employee that really really shines and that person that I'd like to think Right now is named Chad Peleshek from our Department of Planning and development Chad single-handedly put together. I shouldn't say single-handedly I'm embellishing it a bit too much, but he was Very instrumental He's like a one-man show when it came to the parade all the events down at Dylan Park the events at Fulton Park Everything going on in the city this past third of July Chad was the guy that put it together In a state of flux between Having tourism in the city and tourism in the chamber. So I would just like to thank Chad for those efforts It was a Great event went off without a hitch. So thank you to Chad And this way I don't have to write a proclamation about it. I just think That's all I have for mayor's announcements what we have now as a presentation by Patrick Drainan who is the executive director of the Sheboygan County Economic Development Corporation also known as the SCEDC Thank You mayor Good evening again Patrick Drainan. I'm the executive director of this new Sheboygan County Economic Development Corporation I just have a short presentation here tonight in regards to one of the items on the agenda for action later this evening as many of you are probably aware the Sheboygan County Economic Development Corporation was established late last year and Essentially was a transition of the Sheboygan Development Corporation Into the new Economic Development Corporation on a county-wide basis I do want to point out the Our current chairman of the SCEDC Gary Dalmas is in the audience as well tonight joining me Is and Gary was involved with the Sheboygan Development Corporation for a long time the Sheboygan Development Corporation had a very productive and Cooperative 25-year relationship with the city of Sheboygan accomplished many things some of the major initiatives Included the Harbor Center master plan on South Pier redevelopment project The marina project and others. So there has been a long-standing Working relationship between the SDC now the SCEDC and the city of Sheboygan Tonight's action by the Common Council to approve funding To support the activities of the Sheboygan County Economic Development Corporation Will help continue that positive working relationship and support efforts at growing the economy driving job creation and retention Expanding capital investment and strengthening our organizational structure as a new county-wide Economic Development Corporation You do have a handout. I believe it was in the packets That do that describes the mission vision some of the activities of the SCEDC. So I won't go through that in great detail the SCEDC will implement a Private public partnership and it's very important to emphasize that point. It's a public and private effort cooperative effort To lead efforts to improve the economic well-being and long-term prosperity of the businesses residents and communities Throughout Sheboygan County We are not an organization that supports this one entity or one community. We're a truly county-wide effort supporting Development redevelopment and job creation activities throughout every community in Sheboygan County some of our major efforts Include but are not are not limited to business assistance Involves going out and getting in front of existing companies on a retention visit basis trying to determine what their needs are and helping them expand and Create jobs and accommodate job growth here in Sheboygan County a business attraction and recruitment We have launched a website Which is really our portal to the world and we will implement a targeted outbound Attraction effort that's focused at real estate consultants site selection consultants and very specific targeted industry industry sectors so that we are not Looking at a shotgun approach. We're looking at a targeted approach to those industry sectors that can Beneath have the greatest amount of benefit here in the county to support existing employers Additionally, we will promote financing tools including revolving loan fund programs new market tax credits bond programs and other programs To existing businesses to help them identify opportunities to finance their expansion projects And finally we will support entrepreneurial business development activities including supporting incubator projects an angel investment network That we're trying to get underway and other activities to support small business development in the county in accordance with tonight's resolution SEEDC representatives myself or Gary or one of the other executive committee members will provide quarterly updates To the city of Sheboygan's finance committee regarding our activities and accomplishments, and we will do that likely starting in late August after our August board meeting With that I do thank you for your action tonight To support the activities of the Sheboygan County Economic Development Corporation and for Jay long and lasting partnership Between the city of Sheboygan and SCEDC. Thank you Thank You Patrick Consent agenda seven one through seven seventeen president Gisha. Thank you your honor I moved to accept and file all reports of officers accept and adopt all reports of committees and pass all resolutions and ordinances Thank you under discussion Alderman Bowers. It isn't working again, but anyway. Thank you for recognizing me I would like to can you do me a favor and push your button, please? Just let me check out here I don't think any of them are working. I don't think no Oliver Bowers Please Now you're working all right you're right. I have some questions on seven five regarding the parking Commission If someone could elaborate a little bit on this decreasing the membership and also there's something in here about city ordinance If someone could enlighten me a little bit on this I appreciate it Seven dash five. Do we have anybody here from transit? Okay, I can I can explain some bits and pieces of this This was something that came originally from citizen Ed Wachowski It was turned down in the committee and then it came back through It was again resubmitted by the Sheboygan County taxpayers alliance and what this was basically what they wanted to do was to Was was to change the makeup of the transit Commission To basically have a different membership Take some members off that have been longtime members of the Commission, I know the mayor was one of them at one point I believe they were decreasing the number of alderman on there And that was not looked at looked upon favorably by the Commission also at the same time There was some question about approving the bills of transit And it's been standard practice over many years as in any other department That the bills are paid and then a report is submitted to the Commission However, I believe we had an ordinance in the past that this conflicted with even though it's been passed practice for many many years And so I believe that the ordinance itself I don't know was the ordinance changed. I Believe the ordinance was changed. No the ordinance wasn't changed. However, it was just written into the practices Steve McLean, do you have any? I? Remember drafting an ordinance to change it that my recollection is that it passed but I could be wrong on that Right, we did okay mayor. Yes, and basically what it was is that there was some question or some accusations that maybe the bills weren't being paid properly in that in that Context however, they are the same way that they are pill paid in every other department in the city transit goes through more audits than any other department in our city because they have a City audit by our finance department They have a state audit and they have a federal audit because they receive both state and federal's federal monies And there's they've never had a discrepancy on it. So that basically is what this is is to File this President Kisha, thank you If I may to add to that this was just a communication from the Shabuikin County taxpayers alliance was not an actionable item by the committee and As a matter of fact, I believe the same document is in the committee the whole file As it was not put to bed at the committee the whole Nothing for them to do about it. It is in the hands of the committee the whole That's your question Okay, do we have anybody else would like to Alderman Hannah? Thank you, my question is on the item 3 of RC number 10 dash 11 713 it deals with a communication I received from dr. Brower and Bernie new wiki This again is about the new condo development at the north end of Taylor Trucks are using that as a turnaround now They're asking there are no trucks signed be put up Okay, this is seven dash what seven seven thirteen number three 713 communication number 1910-11 Okay, I don't know whether it's been referred to public protection All the person kittleson Thank you We did deal with this in public protection and safety and I believe our city engineer Ryan Sasma was going to be looking into that and he was going to be taking care of that and he was be contacting Bernie and Linda and letting Talking speaking with them and what he would let them know what was happening with that Concur, okay, that's your question Very good. Are there any other questions on the consent agenda? Thank you. I would ask that 7-16 be pulled for a separate boat 716 Okay, regarding Contract with Miller engineers and scientists, okay 716 will be pulled for a separate vote So we will do 7-1 through 715 and 717 on the initial vote We'll call please Hi Bowers hi Gisha hi Hammond. Hi, Hannah Hi, hi Kittleson. Hi, Montemay or I rat key. Hi Vander wheel. Hi, Versi. Hi and Motion carries now 716 Will be taken for a separate vote under under discussion. They all stay 716 under discussion if there is none roll call, please on 716. Oh Alderman Bowers I Guess is there any particular reason why we have to pull this? Otherwise There's some reason that came up for the clients of our client of mine Alderman Hammond requested that it be pulled for a separate vote their clients my business. Oh, all right. I See, okay any other discussion on 716 If there is none roll call, please or Alderman Hammond you good roll call, please Okay bulk Bowers hi Gisha hi Hammond up staying Hannah up staying Kittleson. Hi Montemay or I rat key. Hi Vander wheel. Hi, Versi. Hi, Wanga man. Hi and 11 eyes to abstentions motion carries 718 through 721 communications and petitions to be referred Reports of officers to 722 through 738 to be referred Alderman Recky. Thank you, mayor. I would ask that we take out 727 for a separate vote Okay, 727 is going to be referred at this point It's being referred to the committee of the whole We're not voting on it this evening It's being referred I Was gonna move the file you can make a motion to file if you'd like We have a motion in a second to file 7-27 under discussion Alderman reckey. Thank you, mr. Mayor. I Just think that Everybody here knows that Alderman Versi's wife is a member of Orange Cross If they don't they do now We haven't voted on anything that has dealt with Orange Cross specifically As far as him and mr. Longmiller, it seems to me that he has apologized for whatever happened there And I just feel that this body has bigger bigger issues to deal with Spend time on an investigation of another Thank you, Alderman Recky any further discussion Alderman bow. Thank you, mr. Mayor. I Just in the interest of transparency, I'm actually I'm gonna vote to Not support the motion to file just because I think more transparency is always better And it would take some extra time out of us, but I think we owe that to the constituency So I'm gonna disagree with my distinguished colleagues, but I wanted to know why thank you, mr. Thank you Alderman bulk any further discussion. This is on filing the document Alderman Hannah I'm gonna concur with Alderman bulk, and I'd also Recommend if you have not read this month's Municipal magazine. It's the yellow one you received. I think it's excellent to read that to understand The complicated this will give Alderman Versi a chance to Explain and I think it's just transparency is the right thing Thank You Alderman Hannah any further discussion Okay on the motion to file 7 Dash 27 We will take a roll call vote a yes vote will be to file correct Bowers. Yeah Gisha no Hammond. No Hannah. No cut. Hi Kittleson hi Montemay or Radke hi Vander wheel no Versi hi Wongamon no Boran hi and bulk no six eyes seven nose Motion fails So the most the Document is not filed Moving on word that was seven dash twenty two through seven thirty eight to be referred Resolutions introduced three seven dash thirty nine By Alderman Boran approving agreement for tree removal Alderman Boran Thank You, Mayor Ryan. I moved that the resolution to be put upon its passage Second we have a motion in a second under discussion under discussion Mayor this issue of tree trimming came back to the Public Works Committee again Last Tuesday and I had some requests after the last council meeting from several older persons that they wanted to see The bids that came through and that's part of your document and Also as part of your document is a draft of the of the Contract between the city and Stevie B's landscaping for removal of the trees at no charge During the discussion at the Public Works Committee last week and in consultation with director Bittner Stevie B's will only be contracted to to remove the trees at no charge And it says in the contract that the contractor has the rights to salvage all materials meeting the wood at this point, it's It seems unlikely that Stevie B's will be giving any given any stumps to grind maybe an occasional one But according to director Bittner He felt that the bid of a hundred and twenty dollars per stump was somewhat excessive and We may want to rebid that director Bittner thought we maybe could get that a bit of maybe sixty or seventy dollars per stump however If I remember what director Bittner mentioned is that he believes that his Public Works personnel will be able to do most of the stump grinding in in the winter But there is an urgency to get these trees trimmed It's mr. Bittner's director Bittner's opinion that with almost 200 trees that need to be cut down And with the drastic cutbacks in personnel and DPW that His personnel are only going to be able to do the absolute emergency ones where they're going to be falling on somebody's house There's other disease trees. There's dead trees And there's also some controversy about giving this contract to Stevie B's landscaping over an incident that happened last summer I guess it was a consensus of the committee the committee members that were there that we wanted to give Stevie B's Landscaping another chance and the individual another chance I go back to my days as chairperson of law and licensing for three years and Had had we not given individual second chances on that committee? It would be a mass shortage of bartenders and taxi cab drivers in the city That does not excuse the contact the conduct of Stevie B from last summer He paid is fine and I believe he's talked to director Bittner and deputy director Bebel of the conduct that we expect from him But this work has to get done and if nothing else if we if he can make a dent in the trees this year and and let's say hypothetically get a hundred of them cut down and Take a look at it again next year perhaps and then the DPW Personnel if we don't have to make any further cuts will be able to handle this But the way DPW is staffed right now this work is not going to get done and it's it's urgent to get done so I Encourage your your approval of the resolution. Thank you. Thank you Alderman born next. We have Alderman Hannah Yeah, well, thank you very much. I was under the impression. This was going to come with a Signed code of conduct from Stevie B's Am I missing a woman born please? Thank you, Mayor Alderman Hannah if you look closely at the contract Yeah, I think we have a built-in code of conduct saying that Stevie B's is really guaranteed nothing if Director Bittner gives him ten trees and I meant a code of conduct with our citizens a Code of conduct with our citizens. I thought it was going to include language that there are standards at which he was to treat the public and I think he I think he's been made aware of how we expect him to treat the public and And and the way the contract is written He's not guaranteed anything if he gets ten trees and his Conduct in the opinion of Director Bittner or Deputy Director Bittner Beable, I'm sorry if we get any complaints from citizens this contract ends Thank you Alderman born Alderman Hannah. Thank you. I'm not going to support this only because it doesn't have a code of contact Thank you Alderman Hannah All the person onto me are Thank You mr. Mayor. I've read the contract and perhaps I've missed it, but Am I correct in assuming that if a homeowner wants to contract with another tree remover and the homeowner pay for it? They have the ability to do that or is that homeowner compelled to use Stevie B I'm getting a nod from Director Bittner that yes, they are able to count to contract with their own contractor Thank you Any further questions any further discussion? If there is none roll call, please Gisha hi Hammond hi Hanna no, cut. I kiddleson. No Montemay or no Radke I Vander wheel no Versi I Longman I Warren I bauk And Bowers I Nine eyes and four nose motion carries seven dash 40 lies over 741 through 747 to be referred Reports of committee six seven dash 48 by the committee of the whole recommending filing documents submitting the shabuagan fire department Ambulance service alternative scenarios and benchmarking analysis prepared by the finance director treasurer and Accepting scenario D to keep five fire stations and ambulance contingent on receipt of a letter from the union heads regarding Concessions for long-term planning and that the long-term plan would be received by 12 31 10 Alderman We're in flesh is not here president Kisha. Thank you your honor I move that the report of committee be accepted and adopted second motion in a second under discussion Alderman Boran Thank You, Mayor Ryan. The reason I'm supporting this is While I didn't agree at the last meeting with the outcome of hiring the firefighters and and the ambulance staying in the ambulance business Alderman Hammond, and I made two motions that night at the committee of the whole that I think should be carried forward out of this document and mine was To to have a letter from the fire department union regarding concessions for long-term planning And I think that's going to be important going into next year's budget session That they're going to have to be part of the solution to pay this $240,000 next year because our budget situation right now with possibly a 1.6 million dollar deficit all of the departments are going to have to be a partner in this and That's why I'm going to support Support this document tonight And also I think it's very important the motion that Alderman Hammond made that a long-range plan Be part of this by the end of the year So we know where we're going to be going with the fire department And I think your input from your field trip with the chief up to Minnesota and northern Wisconsin can be part of that Part of that long-range planning for where we're going to go with the fire department But I also think again that our union partners at the fire department have to be part of the solution as we go into next year and And further years for whatever this long-range plan for the fire department is going to Whatever it's going to transpire. Thank you. Thank you. Alderman born Alderman boat. Thank you, Mr. Mayor. I too fought Against the hiring of the four additional firefighters, but given that we lost that boat and we've got four new firefighters coming I think the right thing to do is is to stick with that plan given the concessions that the Union has made and some of the things that Alderman born has talked about so not in favor of hiring expensive City employees with exceptional long-term health care and retirement benefits not a fan of that But since we got them we might as well keep them busy and keep the folks on the south side nice and safe with scenario D Thank you all to them boring next we have Alderman Bowers Thank you So what you're saying is we're voting on this again if nine people would vote no, where does it take us? That we passed last week to hire for now Let's say we have nine no votes What does this take us? Steve You wouldn't have taken any action regarding the committee report Committee reports still there. I guess you got to do something with the committee report This is this is accepting and adopting accepting and filing the the document itself You've already lifted the hiring free as dire. Okay, so died vote. No, we don't file What where are we at if you can talk the majority of the people and they're not filing it? I guess it hangs out in limbo for all So we're just hanging Yeah, I would just be the document would be kind of floating in the air somewhere because I'll never be filed Any further discussion so Alderman Bowers this one and 750 the two from committee the whole Those were documents that the committee of whole acted on previously and it just didn't get on the last agenda So really this is housekeeping It's really what it is and if you don't take care of the housekeeping and at the end of the year It's just gonna die in committee. I see. All right. Thank you. You're welcome President Kisha. Thank you I appreciate very much the words of Alderman Balk and Alderman Boren and Alderman born had now I had a conversation about this earlier today where I think where we all understand the what's at stake The only thing I kind of see seeping around the community a little bit that I would had a concern of a few weeks ago Is that we keep talking about our union partners in the fire department or union partners will be a big part of this moving forward And that is a hundred percent accurate But you can add police department DPW City Hall Union of which I believe there are two of them if my memory serves You can add every single other one of them and I think it's kind of seeped into the community that there's these special deals for For in this case firemen we're talking about DPW. I assume that would be the same discussion But it's kind of all the same and I just like everybody to know that and keep in keep in mind that I know the focus is on this at this time But those same situations are throughout our systemic throughout And the same issues and the same concern throughout all of our contracts Thank You President Kisha Alderman Hannah Well in my attempt to submit more articles than all the I Submitted two more articles this time that deal with this is nationwide and you know the elephant in the living room is the cost of health care and retirement funds and Until we get our collective bargaining partners At the bargaining table bargaining good faith about the longevity of our city. That's what we really make the solutions I mean, that's that we can we really shouldn't isolate any individual union They're not no individual unions the bad guy the system the way it's designed right now Is the bad guy and we need to move in the direction of correcting that? Well spoken Alderman Hannah Alderman Bob, thank you, Mr. Mayor Yeah, and I want to thank you thank President Gisha for Making that clear point that it is all of our union partners because of several things We've spent a lot of time talking about and if that is and if that and I want to thank in advance Alderman Hannah and President Gisha for their Resolution or what will hopefully become a resolution in ordinance to change the way our Union and non-union employees contribute to the Wisconsin retirement fund I want to thank them in advance for that and if that Is the best thing that comes out of that long conversation at that three-hour committee the whole meeting and our long and Vigorous discussions here on the floor. That's a pretty great investment of our time those few nights because that's a great Process altering shifting kind of thing that's going on here, and I agree with Alderman Hannah that it's going on around the country and Sheboygan is on the leading edge of it. We're getting ahead of it I think other cities are struggling even more than we are with it, so thank you, Mr. Thank you, Alderman Boke any further discussion There is no roll call, please Hammond, I Hannah I cut no Kittleson I Montemay or I rat key. I Vanderweel I versey I Wongamon I Warren I bulk I powers. No And Gisha I Love and eyes to nose motion carries Seven dash 49 by law and licensing recommending denying beverage operators license number 7 3 1 1 based upon her failure to include all Relevant convictions on her application and based upon her record of violations Alderperson Vanderweel I move that the report of committee be accepted adopted second. We have a motion and a second under discussion Miss Herman here She's not your honor. Please continue Based on the fact that she did not list all of her violations and After speaking with the police department, they felt that they also gave us indication that maybe it wouldn't be a good idea to give her Her license so very good girl the person Vanderweel any further discussion If there is no roll call, please I Motion carries 7-50 by the committee of the whole recommending filing various documents our own number 94-10-11 Submitting potential local transports market analysis and operational analysis based on the finance department's alternative scenarios in Bench Park marking analysis report dated May 3rd 2010 and RC number 32-10-11 Submitting incidental detail Prince Sheboygan Police Department in a summary of ambulance response times for the period 110 through 331 10 submitted by Alderman versey president Gisha Thank you, your honor. I move to accept and adopt the report of committee second We have a motion in the second under discussion There is none roll call, please cut. I Kindle son I month me or I rat key. I Vanderweal I versey. I long man. All right, Lauren. Hi bulk Bowers I Gisha hi Hammond. Hi and Hannah. Hi 15 eyes motion carries Reports of committees 8 7-51 by finance recommending authorizing a contribution to the Sheboygan County Economic Development Corporation for business development and passing the attached Substitute resolution President Gisha. Thank you, your honor. I move that the report of committee be accepted and adopted at the resolution be put Upon its passage second. We have a motion in a second Pardon me in the substitute resolution Second we have a motion in a second under discussion your honor the reason it's a substitute resolution is what Mr. Drynen referred to and that is the quarterly report to the finance committee Which will then move as a report to this body Very good. Thank you President Gisha Alderman Hannah. Yeah, just a just a quick quick question first Before Alderman Hammond was on this council. He spent an awful lot of time In helping develop this whole concept, and I think he should be publicly recognized for a lot of legwork that he did Second I just want clarification from attorney McLean will have several elected officials On this committee will this committee have to abide by open records? Well, they have to post their meetings Number one, I don't represent the Boyden County Economic Development Corporation, so I prefer not to even address that question but I do believe that Corp has looked into that issue and is satisfied that they don't have to comply with the open meeting Whether they do or not that's for them to decide but that is a concern that the Obviously the more governmental you make the body the more Likely you're going to Move into the realm of open meetings, so it's going to be an incumbent upon that body to Maintain their their structure and so forth in a way to If they wish to avoid the open meeting if I can the more I read that it's a it's a slippery slopes And they need it's this are the Sheboygan County Economic Development Corporation was was Pattern after the final act model which is a tried-and-true model has been in in in existence for many years There has been certain court cases out there namely the infamous beaver dam case where the the their Economic Development Corporation across the line of being a a public private entity and turned into a public entity This this is a well thought-out well planned process the majority of the membership are Corporate business partners yep The the government membership is minimal Myself I am on the board of directors County Board Chairman County Board Chairman County Board Chairman There are a couple of positions for the outlying communities other than that. It's it's mainly all private sector Which is the the driving force behind the Economic Development Corporation? If that answers your question, thank you it does Any further discussion there is no real call, please Kittleson I Montemay or I Radke. Hi Percy. Hi Wongamon. Hi, Warren. Hi I'm sorry. Did I miss Vanderbilt? Yes, I did I'm sorry, Judy Boke Bowers. Hi, Gisha. Hi Hammond. Hi, Hannah. Hi and pot. Hi 13 eyes motion carries 7-52 by finance recommending authorizing entry into an intergovernmental cooperative agreement with the Sheboygan County With Sheboygan County for joint purchase of a computer aided dispatch records management system also known as CAD RMS with the attached updated agreement President Kisha Thank You your honor. I move that the report of committee be accepted and adopted and The resolution and the resolution be put upon its passage second we have a motion in a second under discussion your honor Maybe coming to the road tonight at least one way or the other on the CAD RMS system We've heard it talked about in various ways, and I know I've been on a committee for Two years, maybe three years on it it is a it has been a long process and we're working as a Cooperative agreement with the with Sheboygan County, which is what we're approving here The city will be contributing $250,000 the remaining funds are come from our partners in the county and The ongoing maintenance costs will come from the various user subscriptions of all the various government and non-government entities Providing emergency services throughout Sheboygan County. It should be a wonderful upgrade to our city I think the the committee not the committee. I'm on but the back room folks Who did all the work with the police department the fire department the sheriff's department every the jailkeepers because it is a jail module for the county it is a It is a legacy software system in other words. We're talking about 30 to 20 to 30 years of use of this software system with upgrades so This is the end of the road and I certainly hope we have support for this as it's It'll be a wonderful upgrade for our officers and our emergency services to the county Thank You President Gischiff. I may see you are a hundred percent correct in both our fire chief and our police chief are definitely a hundred percent behind the system There's been a lot of work gone into this It's been something I must have been at least three years. This has been underway. It seems like yeah, at least at least But no it is a system that will tie everybody in the county together On the same system. It's also going to be paid for also not not only by city and county But the outlying communities that also will be using the system. So it's a it's a a true county-wide effort I guess it's cooperation that that actually works Alderman borne Thank You mayor. I am and I think this this new system also the next logical step is for a combined dispatch I know that's Hopefully it's going to be on the the next shared services committee meeting that if we remember last year we the county and the city authorized hiring a Manager of the dispatch that would be Funded 50% by the city 50% by the county and be working over at the county with their dispatchers our dispatchers To get everybody on the same page so that when we do get to the the joint dispatch That will be a seamless Transition and again with this new technology when it's up and running I just think the next logical step is to hopefully if If the finance the financial situation for the city and county Hopefully in the next year or two we can move forward on this But I think the first step is to hire that that manager to supervise and get everybody on the same page Thank you. Well one one thing is definite combined dispatch will never happen without this software. That's right Any further discussion There is none roll call, please Montemay or I rat key. Hi Vander wheel. Hi, Versi. Hi Longman. Hi For an eye bow bowers. Hi, Gisha. Hi Hammond. Hi, Hannah. Hi, cut. Hi 13 eyes motion carries 7-54 by salaries and grievances Recommending lifting the hiring freeze in order to hire an employee benefits administrator in the human resources Oh, I just missed a page here. Okay, let's try 1753 by finance recommending authorizing a transfer of Appropriations in the 2010 budget establishing appropriation to Sheboygan County for city contribution for intergovernmental Cooperative agreement with the Sheboygan County for joint purchase of a CAD RMS system President Kisha Thank you. We agreed to the agreement on the previous document now We have to pay for it and this is the document that transfers the funds to do such. I move that the Resolution be put of the report a committee be accepted adopted and the resolution be put upon its passage Thank You president Kisha, and we have a second under discussion There is no roll call, please rat key. Hi Vander wheel. Hi, Versi. Hi, Longman. Hi, Warren. Hi, Bowk Bowers, I'm Gisha. Hi Hammond. Hi, Hannah. Hi, Scott. Hi Kittleson. Hi in Montemay, York. I 13 eyes motion carries 754 by salaries and grievances recommending lifting the hiring freeze in order to hire an employee benefits administrator in the human resources department Vice president Kittleson. Thank you mayor. I'd ask that the resolution be put upon its passage Second. We have a motion in a second under discussion Tom Rice here I guess I'd like to have we we've gone over this before I just I'd like to have we could Make a motion to have Tom come up and just verify things here. We have a motion over the floor to Tom Rice. That's second Oh, he is a director director. That's right New employment status pseudo director pseudo director pseudo director Rice I guess I would draw your attention to the document package that you have specifically the human resource department reorganization strategic goals of which there are four one To provide more efficient delivery of services to employees specifically in the area of benefits administration and problem-solving to To consolidate traditional human resource department functions and to relieve the finance department of work Which has really become more of a duplication of effort and numerous and efficiencies that we're currently experiencing Thirdly To assemble a competent core team, which will be instrumental in the implementation of an HRIS system Which should include is an in-house payroll system tied to it the initial review would be about the munis system But if that is not viable then a turnkey HRIS system would be secured Which would be able to be downloaded to any system the city might decide to use going forward and finally To consolidate activities within the city into the human resource department Which will ensure compliance with state and federal laws affecting employment and labor relations for the city As this was discussed several weeks ago There was an issue raised about one of the job descriptions and the qualifications Those job descriptions have been modified in your packet of information You also have comparative salary data for comparable positions in several of the communities surrounding us And you'll notice that the salary grade we propose for that job is a lower than most of those other jobs When I joined the city There were four objectives that I I set for myself and with the mayor the first one was to negotiate labor contracts with all of our unions Hopefully with the concessions that we're able to get Secondly was to reorganize the human resources department and put it in acceptable shape So that the next HR director whoever that may be Can walk in and start running rather than having to rebuild what was something that is archaic old and inefficient and Thirdly to take and Renegotiate contracts in 2011 for 2012 and beyond and finally to take and find my replacement This is a key part of those objectives We had a person in the human resources department who was allowed to retire who took with her 27 years of experience It has been Unbelievably difficult trying to recover Information that that person carried with her Organized files and do the kinds of things that are necessary just to serve the employees of the city So just as firemen and policemen are critical to the safety needs of the community These people are critical to meet the needs of our employees within the city and I would ask and urge you to pass this resolution Thank You director Rice Alderman Bowers. Did you have a question? Yes? Thank you All I have is 754 You say that there were outlines given to us what last last council meeting That's correct. Okay, and as I recall one was a high school diploma. We were talking about $60,000 total salary and benefits. Is that a month in lower the salary the job description has been changed requiring a bachelor's degree For that position and that's what we are going to be recruiting for Secondly the salary was that was discussed was not salary, but salary and benefits combined of $60,000 you'll notice if you take a look at the information in your packet the salary ranges and Things that we currently have go and these are hourly rates by the way an average of $29.93 per hour for Appleton so around it to 30,000 that's approximately 60,000 in salary if you add another 30% on to that you're talking somewhere on 78,000 for that mr. Mayor excuse me one sec Tom. I I don't have that packet. I don't see Maryland, so we may not have That so if you could go some more slowly with the numbers I know I like it that you're holding it up. I don't have it We're talking okay. First of all, we're talking about the wrong document. We should be talking about 754 Right lifting the hiring freeze only What's home and they're talking about is the next document that's just 755 that helps I apologize I'm sorry. No, no, that's okay 55 is empty as well That all came with the last documents, right? And me or may I say this was all sent to us because I know that it was even after the meeting these were attachments to a Communication I believe all alderman received and they could have printed out all this information the public sector survey report and the job They were all there Thank you, they all came in the last packet or they all came via email If you if you'd like me to go through and I'd be happy to do that real quickly if that would help alderman Bob If you go through all their hourly wage, please total annual wage and then total wage and benefit out of pocket First first we are still discussing 754, which is just lifting the hiring freeze We have to lift a hiring freeze before we can take action on hiring somebody but respectfully mr. Mayor We can't vote on that without the information that goes behind it. I would suggest I Can't decide if I'm going to lift the hiring freeze unless I know what the numbers are Your honor is it possible to hold 754? Okay for 755? Let's make a motion to hold 754 so moved We have a motion in a second all in favor say aye. Okay 754 is on hold We will now discuss 755 which is a report of committee 9 by salary and grievances recommending amending section 2975 Of the 1975 municipal code so as to delete slash add various positions from the HR table of organization and finance department table of Organization and passing the attached ordinance with the updated job descriptions for both positions and including a public sector survey report President Gisha your honor. I I'm not trying to be difficult But I don't have that information if there's an email that came through I didn't see it It wasn't part of our council packet I don't know if we can have discussion and deliberation if it's not part of our council if it's not part of the official Documentation we're discussing stuff in the public arena that is not available to the public I would love to answer you except I've been gone There were two new job descriptions that I have attached here I don't have them in my this is my full packet I've got Is it other other matters? No, I got nothing. I'm not clear on where It was an email that was sent out because I've got it you've got it I don't have more than me, but I read him if I could continue sue Maybe I guess it's more specific question if it's not part of the council packet and it's the information Therefore is not available to the public for public discussion yet We're doing it as a public discussion on information that is not that has not been made available to the public I'm not trying to slow the process down or put a monkey wrench. It just seems a little right Was it posted with the minutes on the website that might if it was posted as It sounds like it was part of the minutes and it got emailed with the minutes to us And we it wasn't pointed out that that was a separate document to me So all I did was look at the minutes But if it was posted with the minutes on the website then the public has had time to read it and we can take Director Rice it is word on the numbers, but if it wasn't posted I kind of agree with Alderman Gisha that Like I said, I wasn't here. So I don't know I know that the minutes were posted the the information that I'd like to share with you was a part of the Public meeting for the salaries and grievance committee and was presented there and therefore it was part of a public Hearing so to speak if I can I was not at that meeting No, it was not I understand that but that's okay for the five people on the committee I'm not worried about them. I'm worried about the 50,000 people out in the community who who from a government Transparency standpoint, I know there's some issues with timing and getting this in Taking care of I just have a problem with the public not being allowed to have their hands on these documents I don't even have the documents Because I did not as Alderman Bouch said realize that it was part of the deal I You know, I believe in you know because these are not attached and so we don't muddy the waters here So to speak I would look for a motion to hold And we will hold both 754 and 755 then Mr. Mayor if in order to accelerate the process perhaps if sue could put those two documents up on the public website And then maybe re-email it to all older persons So we have it because of this will remember to look at it So that could make it for two weeks or it can be in the next council packet as a yes Attach you the one very good all in favor say aye opposed Can I just make a moment just they as far as the public goes the public does not have Access to all these documents on the website never have it'd be wonderful if we could do that at this point But right now they would either call us have us email it to them come in and look at it We have several public that come in and actually look at the documents But this is not an automatic going on the website because we don't have the ability to do that yet But we certainly can Just re send it all to you So that you have it for the next acting on the next Could we just have it included with our council packet? Yes, at least so it's a part of sure I I'm just Concerned about having a public discussion about documents and a lot of numbers and facts and figures what I don't have documents in front of me And I think the conclusion is that salary and grievance perhaps mailed emailed it I'm thinking to the members of the committee is what happened. I'm guessing I don't know Yeah, I know it was discussed in salary and grievances May I just say so did you didn't have these with the correct with the document? Yes, okay? I just wanted because that's But if if you know a lot of alderman haven't seen them yet muddying up the discussions For the next council meeting all in favor say aye opposed held they are I'm going to turn off everybody's lights here Unless anybody has something they really want to say Do you want to hold on 754? Yes time also to be companion 754 and 755 Okay, all right moving on ordinance introduced 10 756 lies over Matters laid over 11 6-53 resolution number 40-10-11 by Alderperson skish about boron and radki authorizing a transfer of Appropriations in the 2010 budget establishing estimated revenue and appropriations for 2010 CDBG entitlement program Thank You your honor I move that the resolution be put upon its passage second motion in a second under discussion If there is none roll call, please Vander wheel Versey hi wangaman. Hi Born hi Boke hi ours. Hi. Yesha. Hi Hammond. I'm staying Anna I Cut I kiddleson hi Montemay or hi and radki. Hi 12 eyes one abstentions motion carries 6-54 resolution number 41-10-11 by Alderperson skish about boron Hammond and radki authorizing a transfer of Appropriations in the 2010 budget establishing estimated revenue and appropriations for CDBG Entitlement program president kisha. Thank You your honor. I move that the resolution be put upon its passage We have a motion in a second under discussion Under discussion Alderman Bowers. Yes, I Remember voting on this for the coming year is this for the year that we passed last year is this set for the year 2011 For 2010 2010 for this year what we voted on last year was 2009 Take your Alderman Bowers any further discussion if there is none roll call, please versey hi wangaman Hi, boron. Hi Boke. Hi Bowers. Hi. Yesha. Hi Hammond. Hi Hannah Cut I kiddleson. Hi Montemay or hi Radke hi and Vander wheel I 13 eyes Motion carries 6-65 General ordinance number 7-10-11 by Alderperson kath repealing and re-creating Section 2-7 26 and amending section 2-7 27 of the municipal code relating to the composition of the senior activity center commission So as to delete one Alderperson and the mayoral administrative officer as members Alderperson kath Thank You mayor Ryan. I moved the ordinance. I moved that the ordinance be put upon its passage We have a motion in a second under discussion If there is none roll call, please Wonderman. Hi Boran. Hi Boke. Hi Bowers. Hi. Yesha. Hi Hammond. Hi Hannah Cut I kiddleson. Hi Montemay or hi Radke. Hi Vander wheel. Hi and versey. Hi 13 eyes Motion carries 6-66 general ordinance number 8-10-11 by Alderperson's kiddleson Gisha Vander wheel and versey amending section 29-7 5 of the 1975 municipal code so as to change the job description for the position of finance director slash treasurer in the finance department for the City of Sheboygan Vice president kiddleson Thank You mayor. I'd ask that this Ordinance be put upon its passage Second. We have a motion in a second under discussion If I may say this is just an upgrade of the job position that was approved through s and g We had made sure it was upgraded before we we reposted for the position Any discussion there is none roll call, please Boran. Hi Boke Bowers. Hi Gisha. Hi Hammond. Hi Hannah Cut I kiddleson. Hi Montemay or hi Radke. Hi Vander wheel. Hi Percy. Hi and wangaman. Hi 13 eyes Motion carries 6-68 general ordinance number 9-10-11 by Alderperson's rinflesh Bowers Koth and wangaman repealing and recreating section 70-6 of the municipal code So as to adopt and clarify the statewide smoking ban Alderman Hannah Thank You mr. Mayor. I would ask that this be referred back to law and licensing I thank you. I think there are matters that need to be clarified in the language We have a second second Okay, we have a motion to refer back to law and licensing in a second under discussion on referring back Alderman boran Thank You mayor ran. I have a question that I that I'd like Maybe attorney McLean can address it or the committee are the fines that are proposing under C on the last page where it says penalties Do we have discretion on setting the penalties attorney McLean or does this follow what the state is recommending for penalties? But when I reviewed what was drafted here and what was submitted, that's one of the reasons I recommended to go back to law and licensing Penalties in subsection C of the ordinance are what we currently have in a code But the way this is drafted Subsection 70-6 a1 that incorporates the entire Section 101.123 of the statute that's that new smoking ban That also has a penalty section in it that conflicts with what we have in In our current code and what's in this proposed draft in C So that needs to be reconciled along with some other things. Thank you Thank You Alderman boran any further discussion And the motion to refer back all in favor say aye. I opposed Motion carries Other matters authorized by law Seven attorney McLean. Thank you your honor 7-57 is an arrow by the city clerk submitting a communication from Orianna Paul President of the boy in Liberty Coalition making the council aware that they will be holding a one-year anniversary Freedom rally tea party event upon park in Sheboygan on Saturday, September 4th. That will be referred to public protection and safety 758 is communication from Heather Adamson director of the full moon race Requesting permission to hold their third annual event on August 21 Starting at Plymouth and follows the old plank trail for the majority of the race and ends at Sheboygan Memorial Mall. We'll also go to PPS 759 is a resolution authorizing signing easements for a mini storm sewer to be constructed in portions of their property This will be referred to public works 60 is a communication from Aspire architecture and design LLC on behalf of their client James hook of itch junior requesting an approach to replace an existing fence Located at Susha Super Bar 1054 Pennsylvania. It's a city planning 761 ordinance granting James J. Who could itch? Hears and assigns privilege encroaching upon described portions of Pennsylvania Avenue And Mr. Bukovitch will also go to city planning 762 is an arrow by the city clerk submitting the annual proposals for action presented to the city council June 2010 by this point We'll go to finance in the committee of the whole 763 is an arrow by the city clerk submitting various license applications for the period ending June 30, 2011 to law and licensing Motion to second to adjourn all in favor see aye opposed. We are adjourned. Thank you