 Hello everybody. Oh my lights in my face. See I did everything except move my light. There you go. Hello, everybody If it's Wednesday, it's Warhammer and that must mean it's time for another episode of Warhammer weekly Most importantly this week. It is our Thanksgiving week spectacular our regular yearly giving thanks For everything that we've gotten on our table in in this wonderful Warhammer year Uh We're late because of Tom as always at the time he picked so it's all Tom's fault as is standard But that's just I mean I mean it's what like we should give thanks to it Like that's just where we're at we're giving thanks for Tom's just lateness You know just when I finally get this merch thing off the ground whenever it happens There is going to be a shirt that with your little nirgling guy on it or something That just says it's all my fault I mean you're not wrong. Yeah, I will I will specifically commission that shirt So I'm sure it'll be a bestseller right there. Mm-hmm So there you go But yeah today we're gonna look back over the year as those of you who've been with us for a while know We We do at the Thanksgiving episode traditionally on this Wednesday. We've always done a Thanksgiving episode It's nice because this is always the day before Thanksgiving because that's how this holiday works. It doesn't skip days It's always Thursday, so our show is always the day before yep, and I I think this is One of the sort of traditions that I know a lot of families do is they they sit around and they talk about You know kind of at the table when you gather you say what you have to give thanks for in the year, right? And it's I think this actually is a pretty good Habit like I think we are often not grateful enough in our life for All the wonderful things we have even when our life has rough spots There's often wonderful things in our life to keep us going and it's good to focus on the the positive things, right? Yep To give thanks and and celebration and be grateful for all those wonderful things. So this is that but for Warhammer That's that's what this is. This is my brilliant idea. We've done for the last five years six years I don't know how many times we've done this out for long It's one show we don't have to plan this is true It doesn't make it easier on the planning content the content grind is is Sisyphean in its nature. Yes, absolutely But we're gonna we're gonna get into the normal stuff as always So we're gonna go through all the releases everything this year talk about what we thought about and we encourage you to share your Own thoughts in the comments and so on and so forth. We'll talk about releases We'll talk about some events that we've been to The community all of those kinds of things because there this has been a absolutely banner year I know I know mr. Maff said he said you positivity get into it, man Let the gravy of positivity wash over you. That's what I say Just get all dive headfirst into positivity gravy All right, but first a big dollop of it. Sure. First. Let's do the no news There was a rumor. I don't even have it up on the screen because it's a necron thing Yeah, it's probably a necron thing like I know that there's a symbol that was necron ish It's fine. Like I want it to be seraphon. I know it's necron, but I want it to be seraphon sure Or they just re or it is seraphon And they just reused like part of the necron z-cad runes in it because that's a file that they have It's true So, you know, yeah, it's a thing sure, but yes, it's a circular rock with necron runes on it Okay Yep, cool There you go That's that's it That's literally all the news this week because there's just this is a quiet week as far as news goes They talked about the battle boxes. They re they did an article saying hey guests Remember those those are coming here like next week or whatever. Yeah, we are we already covered that. Yeah I know we already talked about it. So hey, they're here now So, okay, you can get those if you're picking up any battle boxes fence. No, I have plenty of projects, man I'm in the middle of an army, dude Uh, I don't need any like I've got I've between golden demon stuff and the whirlwinds edge army that I'm Which I did finish the I'll share the pictures tomorrow, but I did finish the Free guild general on griffon. He's up here in his case now um And he came out it was I don't think I've ever hated a project in the middle more Oh, yeah, well, you could talk about it in hobby time, but like, uh, let's let's do or let's stick to our standard format Yes, uh, so no, I'm not buying any battle boxes is the short answer. There's nothing I want besides We I've got to wait for those new giant angel elves So once those get here, I'm buying all the intelligentsia angel elves. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, absolutely when when the The scholarly giant angel elves. Yes, correct It checks out when those show up uh That is going to be something that I um you want to talk about going deep into Buddy, I mean or not like obr You are in and then you are not so I don't know what I'm excited about for this. True. They could ruin it with sculpts It's absolutely true in theory. I mean, here's the reality of this little this little joke That's been going on for a couple weeks now that I'm hoping to just manifest into reality like I'm using the secret um the If it's just giants if they truly just made like a heish giant army, right? And they had nothing to do with elves. Yep. That would be amazing and I'd be all over it because you know, I love giants Right. Yep. If they made an angelic elf army And they were like true angels and they all looked like Gloriously sort of either renaissance biblically art angelic, you know magic early magic gathering art angelic or Crazy later set angelic, right? Yeah, or anything like that. I'd be into it like apocrypha angelic Yes, thank you. That's a great great way to say that. Yes Um, then I'd be super into that Uh, so like there's few ways that this could break out. I'm not at least excited about the potential Right. That was a meaty sentence that got me very excited for the new year. So So there you go, uh Your dog is excited about Thanksgiving too. I know my dog is super excited. Your dog's excited about giant angel elves I get it who isn't really I mean, it's it checks out. Yeah uh now as to But as to the the things that are there now, there's no other existing armies. I really have any interest in so I'm good Yeah, I don't know like I I kind of like the gloom spite box Uh, it's fun. If you like bouncy boys Right and like that's what like in there for fun. You don't really need that Yeah, like I why two boxes of trolls that I've opened up and so like getting that would get me the three Which I'd run any wonder what to run a unit of nine anyways um And so it actually like puts me at the right numbers Um, and I kind of like the squigs like a lot. Sure. Um, you get what 10 bouncy boys and that plus the the mangler Yeah, yeah, and I think a squig hurt as well. Um I don't even heard I think you get the other guys, but anyway, um, like the point is is that sure I I mean the scaven boxes undoubtedly the best deal Right. Yeah, just because it's full of all the dual kits like it's just full of everything Dual kits one of those kits in there can be able to be built in five different ways You know like I mean that is the most versatile of all of them like everything in there is basically a dual kit And you know, yes, it comes with 20 clan rats and 20 plague monks Which first of all is a great base just for your infantry, right? But you could also build those all as either one Yep, that could become 40 plague monks or 40 clan rats pretty easy because You know, it's just it's just little arm swaps all all the arms on those guys are Uh Can be swapped one to one So you can just build like you can just put clan rat arms on plague monks and more or less You're good to go They just look like they have the because some of the clan rats even have the same dirty robes But so right There you go Very awesome So, yeah, there you go. That's that says what passes for news this week as it were I'm sure it's a quiet week because they know it's a holiday and Whatever whatever, but I I mean I am expecting very soon to get information on the the slaves to darkness books Since that's going on pre-order the 7th. I think is what the what it should be So like yeah, we should get some info like it's going to be good Um, but it also like messes with it'll likely mess with some of the synergies that I have Okay, um, like like for my nerf army Um, like it's going to mess with some of my stuff. It's going to mess with my collection And so like I feel really mixed about it is what I would say Look man, always consider any chance to move forward a chance to move forward. Yes, things change But that's that is the only and that is the only constant in life. You know what I'm saying Yeah, no, I don't I don't disagree with that. I don't and and like I am I am excited about what could come of this Because it could be really good Although again, I'm really interested in nerf. I'm not really as much interested in slaves to darkness so And if we don't have a new like demon prince box like I'm like that really That's disappointing as well. Well, it wasn't on the release list. So but I know that's what I'm saying But who knows that doesn't mean it wasn't it could be a future They don't necessarily saying they're having all the once we didn't right and it could drop with it could always drop with like a 40k release as well. Absolutely because it's always been a dual kit. Yes, right. Yep um Sure, I mean, you know the the demon prince is truly an underwhelming kit and has just been something that most people converted Right, like it's fine in the end There's a million. Have you seen the new creature caster release that's I have and they're beautiful There's two or three new ones the the lady of of ruin or whatever she is the the Female nergal demon monster. Yeah, woof. Yeah Woof. I mean like that's it's like gorgeous in the most horrific way possible Yeah, like don't get me wrong. I love the creature caster stuff and like I just It's really funny Like I used to be a like a huge proponent of third party stuff. Um and then like uh Like what sits at the back of my mind and it shouldn't this should not influence it at all and yet it does Is the fact that like I if I end up in an event I won't I can't get on the stream if I have that on my on my in my arm Like And I'm like that that the actual games workshop people are streaming Yeah, like if the games workshop people are streaming the stuff and I'm just like You don't go to events It's true. Yeah, what are you worried about? Yeah, it's fine. Yeah, that's legitimate Yeah, I mean and even if I did like what's the odds that I would end up all you know Like high enough table to actually be on a stream. Well, I mean you did last year So there you go. I mean I would say actually the odds on that are decent ish You're a good player who's usually in the top 10 at big events like that but uh, you know, hey, who knows, right? Yeah, yeah, so anyway, so like it's a funny thing because I used to be a huge third party like model proponent And now I'm just like, no, I just wish that you know would actually release better models for that Sure. Sure. I get it All right, so there you go. That's news. Let's talk about some pick of the week, man What are you sharing with everybody on this wonderful turkey day eve? Uh-huh. I got nothing man about it for a second. All right I do like I think I'm thinking about the content producers and like I could do rancaster honest whore gamer or a lot of those folks but like You can you can do rent cast. Why don't you do rancast tom since I've got multiple because okay fine I'll do rancast. Hey go check out mess new rancast. Uh, he did it with two plus stuff and it's awesome And it was great. Absolutely. That's a hundred percent correct and uh, and it was absolutely wonderful I'm not fall. I'll be completely honest. I'm not fully through the episode yet I am about an hour and a half into the episode But I've enjoyed the first hour and a half dug and meth are awesome and it's always great to uh to to Hear them chit chat and talk about the lore. I vehemently disagree with your point at the beginning about sigmar versus negash and all of all of that nonsense That is insanity. What you're preaching. That's moral equivocation. That is nonsense Sigmar often makes hard decisions negash is clearly a villain get out of here Oh my goodness Like let's do we have to make every bad guy, you know, like yeah, he can have Understandable motivations, which he does like negash isn't just only a must-ash twirling villain with no set with no motivation I agree. I mean except if you read the novels and he is he has logical enough motivations in the world I agree with that But that logical motivations don't equal do not equal moral legitimacy. That's not how it works Yeah, uh like Thanos Yes, like Thanos. Thanos was absolutely wrong, right? Like no incorrect Dumb dumb like killing half the people in the universe is not a good answer Right just because he had a logical path. He followed to get there doesn't suddenly make him morally okay Uh good night the moral relativism leaps you have to go through to get to that point where you're making The skull god of death who's just like Just killing people by the thousands and torturing them an eternal imprisonment Into a moral good guy on the level with the the being who's made some bad decisions and bad choices But ultimately has tried to save all of humanity from destruction twice Like in what world do we live here? Good night, sorry, I had strong opinions about that you triggered me in that episode anyways Uh, you're right. They are both as correct meff and that they're both wrong Uh, and here meff. I'll I'll I'll make it this easy Here's another option for Thanos to prove how dumb he is Instead of snapping and killing half the people He could have snapped and quadrupled or increased by an order of magnitude the resources He could go the other way around in the equation. He just wanted to kill people because he's a villain anyway so, uh Maybe he just doesn't like people events you can relate to that right I can relate to that like I said I can empathize but that doesn't create moral equivalency Uh, you know, we're talking about this on rant cast meff. You know that we're going to be talking about that I've already got a bunch of conversations teed up for you Mephisto I'll bring my own agenda when I come on like next week whatever Two weeks whenever we get it organized at any rate, uh, my pick of the week is now that I went on that rant Uh Is for uh, actually a video that uh was done by Travarian Who is uh an awesome dude, uh, so chris obviously he's the guy who took third overall and ever chosen which is incredible He painted that wonderful nergal. I don't remember which one lord of blights plagues. I don't know I can never keep him straight. But whatever I did. It was it was fantastic. Um, he did a video on Making the most out of your texture paints and it's a really short simple video where he talks about how to get some Different effects and how to kind of make them look nice And i'm always banging on about you know making your bases look better But I know a lot of people don't have a lot of time or you know to spend on their bases And he talks about just how to get kind of the most out of these Kind of tools and he gets some really good looking but simple bases that I think would look awesome on people's armies. So Uh, okay any kind of quick awesome hobby tip like that. I love it Thank you useless wizard. Yeah, great lord of blights. Okay, perfect Uh, all right Uh, so that's that so let's start now. Let's talk about hobby time. Tom. What are you working on? I'm painting a my uh, very doomed uh bridge That I've converted over for my dwarves. Um, I say doomed because it's obviously probably gonna get nerfed but whatever I'm doing anyways Because I'm just very usable Well, hopeful hopefully Anyway, so I'm working on that and like I I have a bunch of dwarves in process But I didn't want to start painting gold because I'm lazy And so while we were sitting here, I was like, you know what I'll just throw a little bit of paint on some base coats on this thing um, so yeah All right, you'll be fine fair enough Uh, I have had an extremely busy hobby week my god Uh, so I finished my free guild general on griffin Which is actually a guy on frigate ship weatherlight thing Uh the ss griffin So it's done now. It's back there Uh, I've been actually working on a completely different type of hobby which is Which is 2d sort of thing. I'm making a map for my new world that I'm making for our Regular dnd game and so I've been going through and I pencil sketched it and then inked it and then brought it in And digitally colored it and then reprinted it to start throwing Names and things around to see how I like everything placed on the map And then I'll put that back into digital and stuff like that And so, uh, yeah, yeah Yeah, it's good too. Like I'm actually really like, uh, I'm just using the new version of paint in windows or whatever It's like 3d, but it's actually really good for like my purposes for making a map like this Like it sounds silly and stupid, but it's pretty cool. Like it's got what I need I'm I'm not a smart man and I don't need any more powerful technology. So this one is fine It makes me let's me put little pretty colors on things um I'm going to run a marathon starting tomorrow on Thanksgiving. So we're doing our our annual Thanksgiving Marathon, it'll actually be in riffs. So I put the finishing touches on my Uh, my marathon game. I'm running, uh, was below, you know, developing out some additional NPCs and encounters and just stuff like that Making sure I had everything where I wanted it. It's always good after you write a story to go back Right before you're about to run it and reread the whole thing Just to make sure there's no like logical inconsistencies in there Just to make sure you didn't like say mention a villain kind of offhandedly Maybe once in a passing conversation and expect the PCs to suddenly know it Uh, you know a great deal of time later. Not that anyone would do that. Who would do that? That's ridiculous. It's ridiculous Uh in the miniatures world, I'm working on my next golden demon entry now Which is this little guy this little tiny this little tiny homie here Who is a little tiny imperial knight? This is for the small scale category Oh, yeah, indeed. He's an adorable little baby knight And uh, so I've got from uh like titanicus. Yeah from adeptus titanicus. Yeah And I was looking through all the patterns that I like and I'm gonna do him in this one Which is who is this actually? I don't even know these names house taren. It's this guy right here. I like Yeah, yeah, this one. I like this one. Nice. It's right. Wrong finger That one That's the one I like So we're gonna do him like that because that's kind of a cool thing His name is balthazar ever stalwart. I thought that was kind of cool I like these little elements and colors and stuff. So I thought that'd be a fun one to do So, uh, no no no freehand mural on the shoulders of this although you could like It's actually big enough like that's the size of the shoulders They're about the size they're bigger than like a space marines pauldrons or anything like that and you can do You know sort of little tiny murals on that Um, but no because they they get angry when I do these those murals That is to say those don't really win awards and I'm already going in with one overtly free-handed knight uh, so You know, it feels like the kind of thing I shouldn't I shouldn't uh I shouldn't if you really want to try to get the golden nemen That's probably not what you ought to not do with my big knight. I'm always gonna live my truth with the big knights Sure, I just it's what it's gonna be Be like suck it judges. You have to deal with my art Pretty much. Yeah, like I mean, I you know, it's just what it is um I I just You know, I uh Okay, I was making sure you're passionate. You're passionate about the freehand on your sister's knights I as well as the new zinch knights. Yeah, the selenet or sorry zinch. Sorry selenesh knights. Yeah um Yes, and also I did get a new chaos knight desecrator for my birthday from my wife Uh, so I've got that absolutely. Yeah, I've got my next chaos knight. He's ready to go I've got all my knights now that I need for the chaos force too So because I have too many imperial knights. There's no such thing Uh, yeah, so that's a big week. So I'm going to be running games next four days I do look forward to the opportunity to play robits with you sometime It's like the best fated robits battle ever. Absolutely. Yeah Selenesh versus sisters knights on knights Knights knights knights knights. Um, I also got a good game in this last weekend Uh, we got a nice actual one on one on which is rare for me Uh for my birthday So somebody came over and we played a game and I ran the new maw tribes and uh Wow They was like the opponent was not prepared for the brutality. Let me just say it that way Like it was a knight hunt. They did play knight hunt. Yes I mean they they allegedly played knight hunt Well, it was a knight army. They just weren't really ready or expecting this level of ferocity Uh, you know like in one round I like on the double I blew through Uh No, it wasn't even on the double like I blew through All of the chain rasts like a 40 pack of chain rasts And then got like multi charged by a bunch of stuff lost like two Two gluttons and then proceeded to kill all of those things back because they still had all their buffs on them Right, so it was just like I mean they had like the plus one attack and the plus one to hit and and the sixes are Bites on the or the sixes are mortal bites and it was just like the the The pain that that unit can withstand and still just punch back ungodly hard Uh, yeah, it was it was just like it was overkill on a massive level and ogres have always been strong against ghosts Because of the multi damage and the fact that so much of the army has no rend Right, so it's like Like they're on uninfluenced by the lack of rend right like I was overpaying zero It's just all these multi damage attacks right like iron guts were just running around blowing up units Sure So, yeah The hunter and cats was really awesome too. I really like those guys coming in off the board edge and then the The I was running I was running um, no, I wasn't using skull. I was using um Uh gourmand, um, so I was double I was double gripping and ripping out of the out of the pot um the Funny part about it was like the night haunt player Was using like the dread blade harrow and he had he had cast cogs so he could do the like drop and charge Okay But all that meant was that everything I had was just In instantly all over his force because all my ogres had 10 inch moves And like the hunter the cats came in with needing like a Like force. Yeah force to charge You know, so I mean it was just yeah, I was it was crazy. They're probably not the wisest move Well, I mean, you know making ogres that fast to where to where we can get in there And obviously it's a shame the plus two doesn't add to your your charge damage of your, you know Your your ogre impact charge, but I will say I was highly impressed by uh by the ogre charge damage thing Even though it was on sixes for most units in the army Because I just I I had uh some little like lead belcher darts and stuff like that Yeah, and at one point I charged a couple characters with just like five different units Right. Yeah, and I just charged all of them in and I rolled a bunch of like eight nine You know seven ten like the you know the charges were all in that middle range And just like I ended up killing the characters on the way in I want to jump into real quick. Um, if he said that that cogs is a trap for that exact reason or often trap What I would say is that what you need to learn by running cogs is to not leave it on Um And what I mean by that is like you turn it on in the turn that you need to make your charges You don't just perpetually leave it on Um, you use the caster the bonus spell and the reroll will save Default and then when you need to do that like jump forward and punch That's when you turn it on. Well, sure. And by the way, he had done that He had he had switched it to that but then it was my turn, right? So like right and then and then the next turn he switched it back Which was fine, but it was too late. My entire army was into him at that point, right? So like, okay Um, but it was good. It was a really fun game I was super impressed by the mall tribes by especially that very like gut busters focused build like I mean I admittedly the only vcr-ish thing I had was a hunter and cats, right? I don't I don't have any big monster trucks Um, but it was a lot of fun So yeah, it's a good game. They were a very fun army to play. That's what I'll say, you know, it's just it's just piloting around Uh Yeah, I would say my charge was landed in the fat middle It was again just the ability to like charge things with like four different small units Uh, it then rolled ice roll and then rolled ice for all of them meant I got through like four or five mortal wounds on the characters Right. It's not it's not a huge number But it was enough that just the characters died or or were severely crippled by the time I even started fighting, right? So Yeah, it's cool Anyway, uh, so I believe in little lead belcher darts. I think they're an interesting option Just for that that purpose And they were also just running around, you know pop and shots every so often and doing doing that kind of thing Their their shooting is always underwhelming and did basically next to nothing, but they were still an interesting threat Yeah By the way, hopefully this will remain I say this knock on wood Hopefully the stream will now remain static I looked into stuff and did some research over the time and found there's a little thing where you can dynamically Adjust your bit rate. So I've said it to that and we'll see if that helps Most people reported that that actually helped so Hopefully that's gonna work Thanks for doing some research Vince. I'm trying guys. I don't always have a lot of time But I do try to do this work in between shows anyway Let's talk about this year tom shall we It was full It was this is so by the end of this year once the slaves book launches Let's start at the 40,000 foot view and just say this because I people have mentioned this but it bears repeating uh the the uh By the end of this year, we will have 12 books released We will have gone on now. This isn't actually out worked out because there's lots of double releases But that means we averaged a book a month Yep, which is just amazing Yes, uh Like that is Uh That is outrageous Like I I can't uh I I can't even fathom that world based on any past experience Under especially like fantasy battles, but even before this and in you know previous years of of aos Right, can I can I add a brief like comment when we're talking about like the just the scope of this sure And give a shout out to to gw's testing and the play testing teams Okay, who have to keep up with all this? Right right who like let's point out that like yes, they've released 12 products But that means they've also tested these 12 products in a similar window of time Yeah, and they've and and that has been the baseline that everything is being tested against Right and so like whenever you add something to a system you want to make sure that you're changing as few variables as possible That's not what's happening here. Right. They try right as they were rolling out books. They knew they had like eight more coming Um and overall like the balance is really good Like across all 12 books like uh, we we know we've got problems and we'll talk about them and for the most part those those have been For the most part those have been resolved. There is still one outstanding issue right now and we know that We'll get there But I'm I am a forest for the trees kind of guy, right like when you've got nine or ten, you know Uh compelling fat middle interesting offerings and you've got two to three outliers I that can be brought back in and you know arguably all of those but one have been I'm gonna be probably pretty positive about that. So what we're gonna do here is we're gonna start with the release talk Then we'll do some event then we'll do some community. So we'll go in that order. So Let's go through releases. Now. I've got a list I made a list I had to go and look this up I couldn't do it off the top of my head because I was like because I literally couldn't remember them all That's it. That is another amazing thing Uh, Tom, which book do you think I forgot because I got to 11 and I was like, what am I forgetting? Was it uh, gloom spike? No. Oh, no. No, I definitely remember the goblins. They're too fun to forget Which army would I forget tom out of the 12 of this year? What's the least memorable? No, I remembered sylvaneth Because they didn't fix it fire slayers fire slayers is what I forgot because oh, yeah, who cares They were boring before they're boring now Sorry fire slayers flares. You're playing a boring army uh, I mean I don't disagree That's really saying something like I like the army, but like it just didn't change with the book Like they didn't they didn't add like yes, they added the shrine But like it just didn't they added the prayers But they like there's just fundamental core issues with the army that need to be addressed By the way, shout out to keith and mef who both called it in the comments like because they're they're a little obviously behind And they both called fire slayers before I said it. Yep. So well done gentlemen. Well done uh all right, so uh Okay, let's uh Let's get into these in order. Well, they're in pseudo order. They're not really in order They're in the order. I remembered to write them down, which is like Roughly the order Right. I wasn't gonna go look up the exact release dates Okay, so gets let's start with dem gets obviously they dropped last year with our with our advent calendar, right? We got that little fun thing where the the uh sigmar's santa claus house was slowly getting uh invaded by fungus and gets Uh Overall What's what's the what's our what's our over under our good the bad Having this year to look at it and all these are going to be kind of a look back What what do we now think about the gets? Uh, I think that they were a miss Okay I love them like and I say that like fully acknowledging that i'm like writing lists right now Sure, right? Yes, like like this is something like I am actively in development of this army of mine to to ask like Is this what I take next year is my main like project? um And my biggest frustration is is that like Of the play styles like some of it isn't a perpetual point issue Right like some of it like I I feel like some of it's just still simply not worth it. Okay, um And Like what ends up happening is almost all my lists end up defaulting to having multiple bricks of 60 goblins And that just seems like a problem. Okay, um the things that I really want to play my spiders I like I can't put on the table not in good conscience. They're just not good um And so I I I love them like I said, I'm actively working on trying to develop lists, but uh, there's just um In order to play in the meta with how the world is now um, they just really struggle Um, the the fact that their terrain is so limited to only like because their terrain is limited to a handful of units Like it pulls like the gravity it pulls the army the mechanic. Uh, it's also problematic as well. Okay So that's what I would say. All right Uh, fair enough, uh John I have uh, I've seen I thought they were doing the same thing with chapter approved that they did with the ghp Where they split the points from the main book Which by the way was funny to watch everybody freak out and be like, why is it two books? Blah blah blah blah blah because because the 40k people didn't pay attention to how the aos stuff worked Uh, but like I that's all I saw that they were doing john Was there some difference beyond that that I missed because I'll openly admit I didn't read the article very in detail. I was like, oh, yeah, sure that makes sense Point should always be separate as a separate book and to jump back to gets real quick David said it was an interesting take on gets I love gets like I have an army Like I have like all of the models of everything I would need Um, but when I look at everything I I feel like they just like there's just a number of areas that were misses and those end up like Skewing the way that lists have to be created Gotcha and because of that like It's just it's really like I think there's a reason why we don't see them in the meta Like you just don't see them out there And the stuff that I really want to run which is heavy squigs, you know, that's another happen Heavy squigs like it's just not as competitive Um, and and the in the boingrott bounder apocalypse never happened No, we over we overplayed our hand on that one Yeah, yeah a hundred percent Um, I I really thought that was going to come to pass that bounders were going to become, you know Pretty hot, but no they were just fine Um, yeah, I mean I'll for me gets was a hit and I that I'm saying that somebody who's I'm not starting a gets army So I'm an outsider admittedly Um, but I really like like I've played against gets several times at tournaments. Sure. Um, and really always enjoyed the games I've played a couple different builds of them Uh, I will openly admit that the the 60 goblin thing is like, you know, the the negative of the book But I think the fundamentals of the army are still strong Like that is that I think they've got some good pieces I think you could make some hay with points there. I don't think you need to race to the bottom on them I think they're still like they got some points adjustments I think there are some scrolls that are just like beyond fixing like you'd have to get it and fix the scroll Hello, gujo But the um But the uh The You know, like the dank hole trog author whatever, you know, like that boss the dank hole trog boss Like I don't know that that guy can be fixed in any way. Um But you know, I when I look at both the main trolls like river and stone They're both interesting and competitive. Some points could make them so interesting the squigs have potential Uh, you know, maybe it's a little points. Maybe it's a little something else Obviously, they're the challenge with them is they're very random, right? Because a lot of their things like the mover are random which always is going to make them hard to be hyper competitive Like spike decks don't have random cards in them Right, you know what I mean? Like that's always going to be the case Right so like holes big issue on building and you can't do that with your mechanic either So not only is it an issue with some of the units. It's an issue with the mechanic itself Yeah, sure the the moon, you mean, yeah, but like scraggrot's good The base goblins are certainly good. I mean you can't argue with that They're a they're a like pretty potent unit like a 60 gobo thing is pretty potent for what it is Right a value wise is what I mean, right? Okay. Well, okay, so this actually triggers me Because I agree but the problem is is and here's the other half of the the the issue that I had which is Um, there's a comp. There's a problem in in the like, let me say it this way I love that this book really we got to see the keywords on full display as to like what influences what right? And they and they highly they vary tightly Um controlled keywords such that like certain elements are only gonna buff other elements and stuff like that Yeah, and that's fine in principle real introduction to keyword bingo. Yes. Yes. Yes. It was the real introduction to keyword bingo But here's the catch is that when you only have a couple winners that means that your support pieces are already predicated So that what ends up It's linear. It's super linear design so that as soon as I grab this I need to grab these three support pieces Okay, and what ends up happening is I can't just throw in this piece as an independent operator Um, and so like it ends up pre building a lot of your armies for you Yeah, I suppose, but I don't know that that's a super bad thing I think you can still if you're not going in with that like a sort of hard edge competitive mindset I think you can still build a lot of diverse fun lists And I think also we should be grateful that we got that many new sculpts for that army Like we can't oh man. I loved it. It was amazing sculpts are all wonderful. They're freaking gorgeous like the The bounders the new squig hoppers in general Um, you know, like that's something to be really grateful for to have so many amazing new models join the fray, right? That's why I want to make like that's why I want to do squigs. Yeah the rules are Like, okay. I want to do it because it's an amazing models. Yeah, and I think they're still solidly fat metal competitive I agree. There are probably opportunities that could have been smooth like I'm not going to tell you that it's it's Filed to a razor edge, but I think it's still a good book and I mean percentage-wise it's still living in the fat middle So it's clearly not broken, right? Right, um, and it has really compelling sculpts and and by the way speaks to a lot of different people Right the way that they brought it together like some people do love the goblin hordes And some people do love the trolls and some people look at squig lance and go. Yes. Yes. Yes That is all I want. Oh my god. That's amazing And some really sick weird people look at the spiders and really like them Very very disturbed people You know people like paul that are that are absolutely out of their minds Uh, but you know, that's okay. They're allowed to have that that crazy opinion So maybe a little bit of split decision, but to me. I mean, I still think that book was overall Absolutely way more in the positive than it wasn't negative like that was a great addition to the That was a great addition to to our our vorham or cannon, right? I don't disagree with that. I don't You just limit your I understand you're not poo-pooing the whole book. You're just saying that no There are things you wish had been done a little differently. Yeah, like they're just very real problems and my favorite part of the army, which is the spiders were like We're we're literally just kind of like left alone. It's the best way to say it. Yeah, right like they just like In in their current form like they're just not viable like you can't run a 30 block of 50 of cav spiders Right. Yeah, like like that like that's their horde discount folks 30 spiders and they're on a five up save with a four bravery. Yeah, sure I mean Yeah, I get it. Uh, uh, boy fear that the the dread catapult Well, right I said that I was like list building right like I was exploring this and then I just realized I was like Well, this is the waste time Yeah, because half of that unit evaporates like my god. That is a nightmare Yeah, like well, that's the reality for all of gits right now Like you now have to play msu because of catapults I don't know like I don't know that 60 units of packs of grots are still cheap enough I'm not sure you're really scared of it in most people's catapult list because they most people's catapult lists Probably have two and so like yeah, okay They can so all your units off the board all six if they have two all 60 blocks can turn to 30 blocks So I just said they can flatten one of your units off the board or shred two units. Yeah, I agree Yeah, but that's I don't know that that's the end of your army Those things were in the end going to die anyways and they paid enough points off of that You probably still came out ahead if that's all they're able to accomplish the game But no but the problem is is that in these lists this goes to the incentive structure In these lists you're incentivized to have things that buff those pieces So if you've suddenly lost that 60 lockdown to 30 you also have an additional 350 points to make that thing useful Otherwise, it was just literally a speed bump. It was never actually my friend and or start kicking that That that rock and start kicking the rock hard and get more goblins out Well, and that's the point is that like a lot of but the other tools aren't you can't build a list on Like it's not anyways, so I'm gonna I'd ran on this for too long But um, I'm glad you realized that before I had to stop you No, it's just it's I That's something to be thankful for no, um I yeah, I I wish it was different. Let me say it that way Yep, uh, okay, let's talk corn. Uh, I know they're not next chronologically, but they were next in my mind Uh, they loom ever present. I play corn a lot. So they're um, you know, they're they're they're an army I feel I get a lot of experience playing against and like playing against I think they're a fun army to play against What's your what's your take on corn? Are we always a hit or miss? Yeah It's fine It's fine. I think the altar was a nice addition. Um, I think that uh I think like them getting to join the activation ward was a big deal Um, yeah Yeah, I agree. Overall, I think the book was strong interesting. You see we've seen viable list throughout the year in it Um, you know, it's not crushing the meta, but it's certainly competitive Uh, you know, they they reigned in the the egregious element, which was the whole like council of blood blah blah blah You can still do you can still have fun with that like it's not that that went away. It just it didn't it's not, you know over the top anymore It's Like the mortal sort of Avenue on it's interesting. The blood thirsters are interesting It's got a lot of Oh my dog. Yes. My dog is very chill. Um, she's sleepy My dog is behind me in the in frame. Yeah, I see. Um, the uh The you know, I mean my only regret with the book is as you talked about like it's a little fiddly Some of the interactions like they have a lot of holy within in like a small radius Which I I don't mind Uh I don't mind I don't mind holy within as a concept. It's a necessary evil, right? Yep, um, it just needs to generally be like you should really watch close holy within's where it's like You know really really small radius where you're going to easily get guys who fall out of it just based on like Completely small nudges, especially they're happening during 9 to 12 is a problem Uh, I think what you get up to 12, that's that's the sweet spot, right? Like you small But it also depends on win Win it also matters tom, right? And this is what I want. Yeah, you're right. It's not just the distance. Yeah, you're right Like you're saying for a command ability I'm saying for passive buffs holy within 12 is a problem because that means it like All units in the bubble have to charge otherwise you're out Yeah, sure What I'm thinking of is for things like command abilities where it's like especially with things that'll be triggering around combat time and Pylon time and or battle shock time Where suddenly you can get real fiddly because of a pile in and that is the thing that takes the most time in Our games. We've talked about this before Having 60 individual goblins and moving them actually isn't that complicated. Most people can do that pretty fast Right, because it's just like you move the front line and then the rest scoot up behind That's not actually time consuming. We all complain about like oh i'm moving 60 goblins. Ah That's not actually hard Now piling in 60 fiddly goblins when they're fighting two different units and they're split across and you're managing like a holy within buff radius That is what takes time if you actually ran a clock on like the different phases of the game That type of specific detail is what would take time Right. Yep. I don't know that's why i stand holy within problem challenging corn has a lot of that corn has a lot of those kinds of triggers I mean Night haunt is egregious as well like i've been playing a lot of night haunt recently and it like holy within 12 Especially for passive buffs where it's started the combat phase. It's just it's tough. Sure. Sure. Sure Um But you know, but that being said that's that's my that's probably my one negative on the book Other than wrathmonger's change was still stupid and I will Uh, and I will I will keep that to the death of me that shouldn't have that shouldn't have changed like that Wrathmonger's had the coolest, unique,est, funnest ability and they they broke it for no good reason Uh, it died on the altar of simplicity With uh with an ability that was more stupid and more complicated more complex. Yeah So I will never I will never ever forgive that Uh, there you go Uh, it's like I will that that I will I will that is that is in my book of grudges right there I don't know how we skipped over like I know it was in your mind But I don't know how we skipped over scaven and fec As like the 50 pound gorillas at the start of the year. Well, they're next they're next on my list Like just because I was I wrote this in kind of order. I remembered them as I was going through the year and corn was just next in my mind. I don't know what to tell you man. It's what happened Uh, so there you go All right But yeah on the whole I think corn was a really strong book brought him up made him feel like they're an aos too It was fun the whole skull cannon. Yes, somebody mentioned skull cannon gate. That was unfortunate That was a sucky thing, but in the end I don't care that much. I never felt like corn should be a shooting army Like I if if you if it was fixed they could do it. I'd be perfectly fine with it It'd still be pretty underwhelming honestly mathematically Uh, so like they should have just left it if you're asking me my opinion. They should have just left it Right like but obviously but I but I but I hate the wrathmonger change much more Because the wrathmonger change was actually a really interesting Rule in the way because it was a tool in a toolbox that that vanished that just vanished from the game And I'm I'm always sad when interesting unique mechanics like that go because that was really cool. So There you go Oh, I thought that one was sweet Uh, okay, but all the whole corn fun and uh corn also introduced a fun thing in like Uh heroes that weren't Uh Leaders or whatever right because we got karnak and and that kind of stuff where they're not actually taking a leader slot But it's still a hero and I'm I'm pretty grateful for that Although sad that karnak can no longer be the general leading around bloodthirsters, but that's okay Yeah, the fact that now it's like I always end up putting karnak in a list whenever I play corn Because I'm not chewing a leader spot at all. He just he just always goes in like that guy is he's a freebie like of course I'm gonna put karnak Uh, there you go Uh, and yes like slaughter preach is good bloodthirsters are good all all fun stuff Yep F e see the flesh eater courts All right, tom What's what's this one? Maybe it was all one of those out of left field not that updating the book was out of left field It's just like the weight that this army suddenly carried in the meta was just uh egregious And I and like I felt it like I was priming up for a depth con mid uh mid February and had to add marathi and rework my my daughter's list because I wasn't going to have like I needed to deal with um FEC Um, I I like the book all things considered. I think it was I thought it was a nice rejuvenation for the book despite the The handful of like weighty, uh meta impacts That's what I would say I mean gristle gore was a was unreal for too long I'm I'm gonna say that I think fec was a miss Okay, really really Okay Even in its current state okay because It like there are some people doing interesting things with You know still non gristle gore lists and you know doing blister skin and and even running like, uh Enclave tribalists, whatever the heck they're called in there. I don't remember. Uh, you know lists doing like feast a basically lists Yeah, uh more more gaunt or whatever the the ghoul focused one. I think it has some some potential But just like on the whole there's just some things in that army. I just don't love that aren't fun to play against Okay, um And I mean in the end most of the lens I judge this kind of stuff through Really is around like is it fun to play uh to play or to play against? Yep, um, and you know just the abilities to like fight even when they die You know depending on what you're in to pile in twice when you die right um You know a lot of that stuff is just it's very disheartening Because like it just means that you're and and when when put behind the power of some of their models Where they can just on a luck roll do like 18 or 24 mortal wounds to you and just blow you off the table Yep, uh No, no Dave. I said gits were a hit. I think we came down and agreed that gits were good Like we tom had some negatives if I think on the whole we still came to more positive than negative on gits Yeah, so with two with the first two we were both good Uh for me fec was just like I just don't like the way it plays I appreciate that they introduced the like all flappy monster list. That's a neat concept. Like I like big monsters. They're cool um But like it just It's a very stressful army to play against because you know you can't actually Get a leg up from strategy very often Like you'll get a good play and then their rules will just dig them out Right because you'll get in you'll tilt as many things in your favor is you'll actually kill their model And then they'll just turn and wipe you and something else if you if you happen to miss position in any way right I just I mean it's it's a it's an army that I find Like a bit exhausting to play Honestly That's that's my take on it Yeah, I mean I like I hear that critique Um I hear that critique like I like I I could see people having similar critiques of daughters for example Yeah, that's fine. Like I I don't know. I don't think it's that egregious but Like let me say any more egregious than scaven or any more egregious than daughters or slanash or or or Yeah, I don't know like to me. I've never I've never hated playing daughters Like I've played against daughters sometimes and I actually kind of I have a fun time with it Like it's it's interesting enough to me. Like I like the army. I like playing against it Are you playing craith or are you playing? No playing? That's what I'm saying like yeah, I don't know like because my it's my opponents experience of Daughters that seems to have been very different. Sure. Like that's this is all a lot of personal bias stuff here Right? Like what's not ever sitting around trying to like Objectively find the truth of this thing. You know what I mean? This is just our take on it. I will say that like I felt like Obviously playing hagnar in the buff and going into the buffed unit is frustrating But there's still a lot of pieces that aren't like that in hagnar. There's still a lot of things you can do Right. Whereas when I look at stuff like The uh when I look at stuff like my dogs are about to bark by the way here in a minute So we're gonna have to just deal with that Because I heard my wife come in upstairs when I look at it like When I look at stuff like the The fec. I just often I'm like, oh good. Well, I'll get to lose all my stuff that I wanted to play with right You know and that's that's just how that goes like and there's no other way around it Vince, you know things die. No, I get it and that's fine. I don't mind losing stuff Okay, I really don't it's just overall a pretty frustrating experience Right, so That's fair Yep All right This is my wife. Hello. Say hi skaven Uh, yeah, let's talk skaven. Yes Uh, that has been my experience of skaven one one moment everybody. Well, I put myself on mute talk about skaven tom Yeah, I mean so vince's experience with fec for me has been my experience of skaven It's never a pleasant experience playing skaven in its new form because of the perpetual threat of Of the gnaw holes and needing to zone those out because of the need to Because of the different tools that they have they they don't follow the normal rules with clan rats In that like they can attack and then retreat out It's just because they have these super punchy pieces like acolytes and plague monks Because they have these super techie pieces like it's never a relaxing experience playing skaven It's always a highly technical game. It's always a stressful game for me, um And so like for me like it was just very frustrating just because of how just across the board Skaven just got all the toys and everything they wanted and everything's on gdory So your your critique of fec is my critique of skaven okay, um the um Like i'm sure it's fun to play Yeah, so oh and by the way, how did it thank you by the way for remembering that our the way we did this last year was thanky or janky and Yeah, thank you janky. So so so gets thanky corn. Thank you. My vote for fec is janky. What's your vote for fec? Uh, yeah, probably janky. All right fair enough. So skaven, uh, ultimately skaven's gonna be a big thanky for me with huge caveats on that Okay. Uh, yeah, it's janky as hell for me fair enough Uh, I love like a skaven book. I'd been waiting on for so long. There are glaring problems with that book, but Fortunately, most of them are points okay Like I is that not true aren't most of the problems that came in the skaven book points related like what's not What's not balanced by points? Arguably the vortex is still annoying and stupid and should be unmade. No disagreement Okay, I've hated that since the beginning. I have been completely consistent on that Saying it is a terrible thing that should have never had rules that looks like it does So vortex is a greed terrible everything else. The noh the noh holes are ridiculously powerful Um, like compare them to almost any other terrain piece in the game Not only are they given an army at once arcane arcane. They're also giving it free like teleportation Right, okay, but like you can zone it out and that's fine. But like who else has anything like that Sure, but okay. They had in a range heavy army That can like move to yeah Most of the lists that have been winning with range type of stuff like that. We're using bridge not the noh holes What but that's the point is that they can do all of it and so they can use whatever they need you to win Like say, uh, yeah, yeah, I mean, I'll agree. They're a very strong army But they have too much. I don't I do not disagree because I think they're still undercosted Okay, yeah, uh, yeah So like if that's the point but when an army comes out I look at the my my ultimate breakdown on thank you your janky, you know that kind of thing When I look at like FEC, I'm like, there's no world of points where it's going to make that fun to play against because of the underlying rules You've created okay Yeah, um Whereas with skaven and admittedly I'm super biased here everybody you are outlandishly biased but outlandishly biased This is my second favorite army. So yeah, super fair Okay, um But like this was such a breath of fresh air to me. It just needs points to continue going up You know what? I mean like it was way too cheap outrageously cheap beyond reason cheap Okay, beyond reason So if your point is yes, but this thing the this vermin lord was too cheap or this thing is too cheap You're only going to have hear me on the singing in the chorus with you right, okay Because they do get too many toys for too little cost right now But that's their only problem Now like again Like vortex has been mostly has been somewhat corrected, but it needs to be excised completely It should just be like made 200 points and forgotten about and relegated to history um Like seriously, that's that's that's how I feel about it. It should just be forgotten Like make it 200 points and and keep its current rules and just then we can all just never talk about it again right The the issue with them is they get too much for what they've got right now. They don't pay enough to make real trade-offs Right, that's all it is But that's easy to fix You know what I mean? Like that's just points over time Lots of armies have been in that position You just kind of have to fix it and then things can get like you start adjusting things around By the way, a few of their units are too expensive Okay, um some stuff that don't probably see the table enough like rat ogres or something like that Right and that stuff. I think we'd all like to see more of and being interesting on the table Yeah, like I mean, I think that yes, they get too much but like They are like stormcast in that they they basically have almost Yes, but stormcast isn't a problem and they can have almost everything Yeah, and like I said like no one's lamenting Oh, what happened? There we go. It's time back now. We lost you for a second. Oh weird Anyways, you're back now. Like again if we're talking about the play experience of opponents like Scammon is not a pleasant experience a play experience. Okay, that's fair Overall, I've still got to give him a thanky But if you want if you all want to look and see that that's my my super duper bias Oh storm vermin is another example of something that's too expensive Um not storm fiends storm vermin In a world of like phoenix garden everything else there storm vermin are way too expensive Yes, I I mean I hear that but What I'll say is that this uh, I think that we are like I think we're allowed to be split on this I don't think we have to be in agreement. No, absolutely not. Yeah, that's fine. We get a one to one vote We got one thank you one janky. Well, let's continue that slanesh Uh I mean, I I don't want to talk about slanesh anymore. I spent too much of this year talking about slanesh I agree. It was an overall negative release. It was janky. I think we can actually both agree on it, right? Like it's a shame I loved the new models No doubt about it. They were all gorgeous like to a sculpt. They were some of my favorite things They've ever released. It was everything I've always wanted Um, I've dreamed about including power. Yeah, exactly limited Whoa No, I've it's everything I've wanted in those models that I've dreamed about for years. Okay, uh And that book has just been an overall negative experience Like really And so yeah, I get to janky from me Like I know that I I was I was making a joke that we would split decision on it Like it's absolutely a janky and it's a shame Right, so I'll I'm I'm excited for I mean, that's why I shelved the army I'm yeah, you know hashtag shelve slanesh so, uh I will be excited When it gets its fixes and whatever the late december early january FAQ is right Yeah, yeah, totally So here we go. Yeah, like I I hope they're not afraid to do some surgery hard work. Um, yeah, like you know, that's it's I I agree with keith it is too bad because slanesh had been neglected for so long Just wish it was universally loved instead of hated. Yeah, I agree Like that it's that's why I I see it as a tragedy like I know we can all sit here and be like, ah, slanesh makes me so angry Fair totally fair But like it sucks that basically three of the chaos gods have been doded on For so long and gotten all this attention and story and stuff Slanesh basically gets nothing then they finally get a thing and it's basically universally reviled because of the rules that it has Yeah, right Although that is I Constantinos does make an excellent point. It's so slanesh to get everything you ever wanted and it's ultimately a bad experience Boy, oh boy. I can't think you know There you go That is such a good point Such an absolutely good point Uh, so there you go Uh, but yeah, ultimately janky Uh So, uh beautiful models A lot of good concepts Some good ideas in that book some horrible execution and overall jank and bad times for everybody all around So there you go Hashtag shelf slanesh. So let's see what happens post review all right fire slayers Tom we're to go to you on this one Oh, it's janky Really? Okay. All right Go for it. Why? Um, tell me one list that's fun to play against some fire slayers Tell me one list, uh, all the magma droths. Was that loft near or whatever? Is that a thing? Is that is that a thing? I don't know, but I've seen people run it. I know people run it people talk about running all the time I only have one fire slayers player and he plays a couple different lists And I've played fun version of this. He doesn't always run the like hearth guard berserk or death star He ran like a volkite heavy list. It was pretty fun That was a game which is not legal in a at events Oh He asked could I play that volkite? Because yes, you're right. He did use the that's like a battalion. He used a good vote Yeah, and that's yeah, like if that was if that had been in the if that had been in the book totally agree But like that would be a very viable fun at our table because that's this isn't a freaking tournament I play in my basement. That was fun to play against Can I make my point go ahead? You said name one. I named two go ahead The problem is I'm ready is that like the book itself Got look basically got updated rules for four battalions and that's it And so like like where they could have done refreshing of the units or fine tuning and tweaking with some of it or whatever Like there are just fundamental issues with It that just didn't get touched and the one for me the most egregious of that is the battalions um And and on top of that the vo star stuff that dropped in the white dwarf Two day or a week before the new ghb meant that all of it was illegal for the next year um And so it just like it was a mist the timing on that stuff was a miss The the armies are in is in general are unfun to play against They generate bad play experiences um I don't know. I don't know. I just Uh, I I I wish it had been different. Let me say that fair enough Yeah, well, this one's going to be a split decision. I'm actually thank you for the fire slayer one Maybe this is again outsider perspective. This isn't my army, right? Uh, but I have played them. There's there's a regular fire slayer player in our club I've played him, you know a fair few times right, uh and And I think that overall like when I look at that. Well, yeah, I mean, yes Uh, it's it's the there was a comment like a lot of this is this is not fun to play against Sure, we're evaluating on lots of different criteria competitive Is it fun to play against? Was it a good release? You know that kind of stuff like there's but that's a major part of the criteria, right? Like if one of the big things in sort of looking at a at an army's place in the meta is whether or not people tend to find it interesting compelling fun to play against enjoyable to to run and pilot Like there's a reason why iron jaws maintained an outsized meta percentage Even through the years where they didn't have a huge win percentage, right? And it was because they were fun in a box Uh, so at any rate like it matters. It's a thing that matters. It is an important evaluative criteria. I would say Yeah, I'm going to say thank you for fire slayers. Um, I thought the book was interesting and compelling Uh and how it it brought the army forward Uh, I thought that a lot of the rules refreshes and updates were good I think having them be a brick army like they're a brick, right? And if you're one of the challenges that I have in talking about fun to play against is that I generally don't And and the meta in general often doesn't enjoy highly defensive armies Not at all. Okay Like What the meta seems like what people seem to love are things that go and smash smash smash About that later when we get to bone daddies, right? Because because the problem is if that stuff's not present then certain things can run unchecked Uh, so if you were to nerf that unit that one outsized unit that's having a disproportionate impact Um, do you wouldn't have an you wouldn't have a functional competitive army? That's my critique Yeah, and so like it ends up being a say what I just don't agree with that Like if you didn't have hearthguard berserkers at their value for what they're doing Like the rest of what you have can't get the work done because it's a bunch of dwarves with one inch reach on 32 mil bases Are you arguing there's no you're so you're saying completely on the fundaments There's no other points changes or whatever that could happen that would make it compelling um Okay, so let's imagine for example, they drop volkite berserker costs significantly Okay, so you're getting like or like I say I say significant even something like 140 Would be a change that would would would like make them more playable Like there's still a functional playability because there it's a bunch of 32 mil bases on one inch reach And so the actual like punching power you power you have is quite limited um, I don't know I just um Yeah, I mean I I don't know I think there are plenty of offensive things in there and to me It just feels like the army needs a little bit of points movement And yeah, sure. Maybe the hearthguard thing is annoying like true death stars or death stars. There they are But it's not like that's overwhelmingly broke the meta. It is what it is. It's you know, it's tough to go into It's not unbreakable. Um, there are ways to pick it apart one straw doesn't win games of aos Totally agree. It's a crutch for the army though. And that's my critique. Sure, which is always a problem I don't like I I agree Right, like it is always a shame when you have one outsize thing that almost becomes like the thing you have to pick Right. That's that's never that's never the world. We ultimately want to live right But at the same time I still think that there's there's other interesting things in there, uh and I think that like on the whole that army has fun options. It can make plenty of good strong Uh armies in interesting ways. I think like when you know, you you poo poo the loft in your list I don't I think lots of people enjoy that kind of thing and love the idea of those droths being powerful And by the way, some of those lists can make droths really really cool Uh and be scary and like to me all those lists are going to be fun at your local game night or something like that Uh, so I don't I I don't write them off for a moment And no, alexander, it's not I mean like no, we we We we are definitely not just talking only tournament play. I hope that's clear from what we're talking about We're trying to attack this from all the angles. We're just following the discussions where they go I mean, what I'll say is that oftentimes my perspective is my angle is going to be Interacting on these things from a competitive event standpoint Sure, and and my angle will not uh, but I have to answer what you say Competitive and then also fun like opponent fun. Yeah, sure. Sure So anyway, my my argument would be I think for me, it's a thanky It gave a lot gave the people who love that army and by the way the people who love fire slayers, you know people like, uh Like kenny lull and people like that Uh, who are like repping those those boys hard. I think they were well served by the book They got a book with with different interesting options, right? There you go So to me it's a it's a thanky Okay, cool enough Uh, although that doesn't mean it's perfect book. Thank you doesn't mean perfect It just means more positive than negative, right and and janky means more negative than positive 51% is still a majority Uh, all right Sylvan eth tom Let's talk about them trees What do you what do you got? I like the book I do too Like it has one glaring problem that I absolutely hate What do you mean you mean the new Sylvan eth wildwood? I mean the woods in general the fact that they didn't fix the woods Yeah, I agree with that. Yeah The the the absolute miss when it came to that book Was they had a chance to fix the woods to make it so they could have released that new woods pack Said this is your one piece of terrain And yes, I did see the death master snitch thing, but I don't play total war, but it's cool. I'm glad to see him jumping around Death master snitch is a great dude um the The I mean I have like every version of him ever that they released painted. So yes, I like him um the The wood should have been this one thing you set up a woods as you go through the game and you cast spells Uh Then the answer should have been just you turn the existing terrain features into woods And those now count as your Sylvan eth woods and that would have you make you make existing terrain creatures overgrown Correct. It would have been the easiest simplest fix in the universe. It would have made them so much smoother and easier to play happy time adventure now that being said Uh, there's another player in my group a good friend of both of ours who we've known for years who play Sylvan eth and uh Like the army is cool to play against like Other than the dumb woods thing Okay. Yep, like I hate the woods full stop Yep Taking that out of the equation. It's actually a really interesting army to to play against and Uh, like I like draka in her new form. She's very scary. I like the spite revenants I think they present interesting challenges tree revs are better than ever Like you've always got to be aware of them and what they're doing The kernoff are scary as all get out Like I took nine kernoff to the face and an alpha charge off of like a vry and life swarms They had the big bonus to charge, you know And like that is scary, you know what I mean like that is a heck of a punch um Just like there's a lot of compelling units in there. Maybe they're multiples of their forest Enclave's or whatever that they call them. I don't know what they're called woods trees Whatever, you know what I mean glades. Thank you. Yeah, there you go multiples of those are cool Uh and interesting like the you know, I don't remember any of their names So I'm sorry, but like the one that gives you the slanesh double tap on a six There's the spell castee one like there's there's several that I've played against that I enjoyed Uh playing against and yeah, I think they do provide you a tactical game because they're so mobile They can move around the board. They can create their own terrain, which is frustrating But what is what it is Like some of their units are very tough. Some of their units hit real hard Dryads are real tough to deal with right like a big unit of dryads as a heck of a tarp hit Um, they they are an army that requires a lot of thought to play against Uh and ultimately again, I'm not sure that any problems with them just couldn't be fixed with You know, maybe they just need a little bit of points adjustments here and there Get a little more on the table and then they actually become highly competitive because again, I think the the roots Of that army are strong Tree puns You know and like I think there's a bit like as people have said in the comments Like there's a lot of people who are negative on the book. I think that's just you know There's anchor pricing in that, you know what I mean And there's there's people who've been playing with it who've been doing pretty pretty decently with it But I think to me It's A good looking army one like it's still a beautiful army one of the more beautiful armies they released with all the new lines It has actually a lot of different compelling usable units In lots of different ways Uh who are like excellent at the role they're in Um, you know, it just it just probably needs a little more tweaking And a little more tweaking is not a reason to call an army janky. Like yeah, totally agree There aren't fundamental problems with it. Yeah Yeah, yeah, right like they have good hammers. They have good anvils. They have good mobility, right? Like I like all the fundaments are there and they're all cool Um, so yeah, right? Yep Uh, okay Oh, yeah, it's just I'm sorry. I'm just looking at the comments make sure I didn't miss anything Uh, uh, alexander says just asking myself if fec are a bad play experience if the list isn't maxed And if it's played in a friendly environment, well, that's ultimately where I came down I would say it is always just kind of not fun to play against I've never had a good time playing an fec army personal taste So that's where I came down on even in like uh, even when they take Other things like all flappings Sure, it's just it's still always just like You know, some of the things the army does are just just not It's the opposite of the silveneth experience. I just talked about like with the silveneth I feel like we're doing this fun dance. You know, we got who we're dancing with the trees dance Here we go. You know, like how's this gonna work? I gotta pay attention to here We're gonna have this fun combat over here can who's gonna outplay who here, you know And there's like a lot of fun give and take Right With every see it's just like there is no give there is no take here comes the hammer get ready You know So personal take personal taste I'm open to arguments any other thoughts on the trees tom Uh, I mean, I think it's a good army. I think that with a little bit of tweaks I think it could work really well. I think that there's some design space that was missed but they were building on a good chassis and even like Maybe I can tease it out this way. Um, so like my critique on fireslayers Was like very similar things were done with the two armies, right? So what they did was they took what they had and they basically like added a revamped terrain piece gave them some if some endless spells um And for a silvanet they actually got a new model Fireslayers didn't sure. Um, but the problem is is that like well, they they got a new model I'm making bigger hair clothes I'm saying no, I'm saying silvanet got a new model In the yeah, they got a new model like if you bought the dual box, um That's a but my point being that like there's not even that like the bench was deep on the silvanet book Yeah, yeah, sure like there were lots of units for them to play and the nuance and to create develop develop roles That's just not the case with the fireslayer book Give like five units sure Well, and that's not always bad. You can still clearly succeed with just five units. See a book we're about to talk about in a few minutes Right. Sure. Sure Uh, it's just a question of having designated roles and actually fitting with anything, but yes, okay, right Uh, next up cities The cities of sigmar When thank you 100% win. Thank you. Thank you. My god This was the biggest win of the year. I you took the words out of my mouth. I was going to say it's the biggest win of the year I swear It is it is Like yeah, yeah, yeah I love the city's book. I love everything about it. Like it's incredible. I love the design options I love the fact that it breathed life into so many existing models There is every army of every variety under the sun from fun casual competitive themed The potential of cities to do massive themed armies a week before cities came out I was like cool. I'll buy the book. I have a I have a clubmate who runs cities who doesn't ever buy anything Although, uh, I think that person did actually go buy the city's book Actually, he was so excited by it. He went and bought his own copy of the book. How about that? He just had me use mine Isn't that great? And he's real excited about it That's why that person hasn't that person in my club hasn't bought a book or anything He just relies on stuff that we have in the club because he's like pretty casual, dude uh For the past what 15 years Yeah, and he went out and bought a book and and a couple kits Right, like that's a big statement um It brought people back it was like it a week before I was like, uh, it's neat It's kind of cool a week after it when we were doing the review or whatever. I was like, I guess I'm starting an army Right and like as I got into the conversion this idea popped into my head. I was jazzed, man, and I still am Yep Like I can't wait. I'm just I'm waiting on some more bits to come in for the rest of my army before I work on the next pieces So that's why I'm doing the golden demon thing now, but I'm I am it's potential It's personality It's variability So you're ready for my critique. I'm ready like I I have almost none on this book It was uh, I agree. I agree. I think we could have went for with some crazier armies Like I think it would have been neat to have like some like let me say this. I look forward to cities of sigmore 2.0 like two electric boogaloo five years from now that Well, no, well, and here's my push. Maybe not Maybe not um, because I could see them release a book next year for five more cities Uh from uh, shimon and pick another realm in shite Oh, yeah, sure mix in mix in some of these units that were already there add in some new units done sure sure sure Like it's it's ultimately very expandable. Yes It's super external as a concept and like the only like one of the only critiques that I have is that we didn't have more crazy models Like it was it was obviously like released to bring everything we had up to speed um, but like because of the art direction of Of the realms of the mortal realms we could have really went with some crazy stuff Like I would love to see a city with like tons of devoted of sigmar You know like to go the zealot route and like just super crazy like baroque Like religious iconography stuff Like like I like I could have seen some of that We're like the order of azir has a significant role in a city And so like there's a sub faction within cities that could run order I mean you could totally have cities expand into other realms like right now They're all sort of oxhi and gairan right but like right. This is the most expandable book they've ever done Right, and that's what i'm saying like so my my only critique is that they went they played safe Firestorm what we all already had when there's so much expandability potential Oh, yeah, so you're saying they could literally do a cities of sigmar 2 not and not Any of the original book. Yes a true sequel. Yes 100% now i'm on board See, I thought you were talking about like the reboot, but you're not you're talking about the sequel No, I'm saying yeah, I'm not yes, exactly. I'm talking about truly part 2 not the remake like Man like there's just so much potential in this concept Uh, oh 100% and like my my my sadness with this was that we didn't get new models to represent some of the craziness of the cities Um and but you could do that next year like instead of doing a storm cast book every year Let's do a new cities of the realms every love it Yeah, if we can keep expanding storm cast every every other year We can do this too. I agree completely like more you're there now that you now that I understand. Yes Let's get into shambon. Right. Let's get into shahish. Let's get into haish once we explore that or whatever, right? Right. Yes, uh 100% man Now cities of sigmar 2 city harder. Yes, that's right. Uh, absolutely 100% dude. Oh my god. I how did this never occur to me? You just blew my mind with this one I never even thought about it the fact that we could just do a 2.0 And have it be no no the original cities. That's still there. We're not changing anything This is just you can feel all of those right, but now Uh, like here's another city that's made up of some of the factions that we know like daughters like here. We go whoo oogoo A city that's predominantly like daughters of kane uh darkling coven Order serpentis and then some shadow demon II things sure or I could it could have some of the other stuff in there too, right? Yeah, it can like right. That's still there Yeah, you can just add in you could do additional one and four things like they did with living city and with tempaside Right, like oh my god. Yes, it would like these just write themselves at that point Yep, right like this tom. This is the best idea you've had all year. I'm thankful for this idea Well, it's funny because you said that about something not too long ago But anyways, you're really you're really killing it lately. Tom. You've come into your own after five years Thanks. I'm glad I'm pulling away finally. Uh, so like cities to city harder is like I I love that what this book is done and the doors that it's open because again, we only have the firestorm plateau We only have like the giron the mix of giron and oxy armies. Yeah, sure um The other critique that I had and this is just a personal critique because it hits home really closely is that it makes me sad That for those one and fours that we didn't have fire slayers anywhere Yeah, sure. Sure. Sure. Um because if fire slayers could have been freely mixed in that would have given new life to that force In the same way that like I didn't sell off my sylvanuth army when I was about a day away from it Because I because I don't want to play it in sylvanuth because I hate the stupid trees But but now I can use it in the living city army and I was like, yes I'm in right and and I just wish that fire slayers had something another option Um, apparently in like the novel, you know, like the the novelized stuff the hollow heart, uh, city had fire slayers Got it just like just like carotern overlords were in tempest I fire slayers were in hollow heart He's just like the underground one. Yeah, uh, this is great I love all the subtitles that people have thrown in uh cities of sigma or two cities of sigmoor cities of sigma or two Aetheric boogaloo Like that one. Uh, cities of sigma or two full throttle. That's full throttle Uh, yes, these are great. I love all of them Uh, so I mean really you're right. I mean to me it is the win of the year It was a great book. It has great future potential. I hadn't even really considered that tom But boy, oh boy. This is this is it. All right Well last year or two years ago or whenever we originally predicted the city's book and said they should do this thing We made that happen. So hopefully now we're making this happen everybody Uh put on your your magical tinfoil will hats Put it on your vision board Yeah, because tom. Okay. Here's a simple question audience. Here you go We have a lot of people watching this right now. Happy Thanksgiving So glad you're all spending some time with your Thanksgiving with us But here I want it. We're gonna do a quick impromptu poll. You ready? Here's the poll. I want you to type in one word in 2020 Would you rather have another stormcast book Or another city's book say stormcast or cities Go Okay, you have to choose between one of those two. Don't answer other things se or cos stormcast or cities, which one would you rather see In 2020 you only got one Okay. Yep. All right. I want to see it in the chat. So they'll catch up in a second and then we'll see I'm wait. Uh stop it. Reflect your no not the question city cities Look at that spam Look at that city spam Okay, all of you who didn't answer the question correctly. You're out of here. It's just All right, you're fired Yeah, okay. So there is some stormcast in there Like I mean, it's at least two to one cities. Oh, yeah I can go back and look at it Storm cities sigmar. Yeah, nice cities of sigmar chamber eternals Uh All right. Good. Good. Good. We got a lot of you hear that gw There you go one sequel the people have spoken. I consider this a representative sample of the community. There you go Uh, so thank you everybody for spamming the chat like that. I appreciate it. That was wonderful I'll go back and actually count it up at some point and we'll figure out what it is I'll do a little tweet afterward Because obviously you can go back and look at the chat. So Yep, uh, I agree. This was book of the year book of the year Right. Okay Uh, all right And notice by the way, there was no terrain offered for this book Nor was there any endless bells. Nope didn't eat it because it's a cool concept because honestly just giving people the the capability and the the the The tools to make their own thing Is often just as powerful as something where it's completely shaped by you, right? Yep, I've I haven't wanted to convert or make an army from scratch so bad as with that book made me want to do right Absolutely Oh, we'll come to go trek later. Don't worry go trek will come later. He's he's a standalone thing Because I I have the non-book things separated out Uh, all right, uh war clans I mean, that's a solid thank yous, right I mean, is there any question that that uh That war clans the thank you as you bounce your camera all around since you're typing a response back. Sorry Uh, no, I mean what I would say is this uh now you're gone tom because you can't chat to me there You have to send me a text. I've told you a bunch of times Because you can just hear my screen all over Okay, that's fine. All right. We'll we'll we'll move through this quickly Yeah, I mean what I'll say is this I love the war cleanse book and actually I think that like To me it is another gem of a book and it was only Overshadowed by how quickly it was or closely. It was released in the city's book. Yeah, I agree It's by far my like second favorite book of the city. I agree. Yep A big thank you for your book of the year. I knew what you meant Second favorite book of the year beautiful in how it lets you both keep your iron jaws keep your bones split us play them together I I thought there was that they could only ruin it by changing what was already there because I really honestly liked how iron Jaws was post ghb. Nope. They made it way better. It was great. I was all about it. So Yep, loved it. I have almost no complaints on that book Like I have loved every army I've piloted. I've played a iron jaws many times since that book came out And I think I've had fun every single game like and by the way It's the kind of army that when I put on the table opponents are generally like, okay, cool Right like in general, I don't get pushed back people are like, yeah, great. This will be fun Yeah, there's no groans Right, right Okay, uh Maltrimes That's a thanky's right Yeah, it's a thanky's I like what they did with it. I know people were critical of it But I think that it uh, it breathed new life into that army Yeah, I think for me there was this is how I described it to somebody this last weekend Somebody walked into a room that was a mess, right? There's it was dusty. It was dirty There was like clothes scattered everywhere the pictures on the walls were a skew Right chairs were all scattered around and tipped over and they're like, oh my goodness. This room is an absolute mess Right. I need to clean this up. So they came into the room and they like They straightened the paintings and they stood up the chairs and they picked up the dirty clothes And and they like they dusted the table and then that was it then they left Yep, right and it was like whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, there's still there's still more stuff that's dirty in this room You need to come clean up. We're not done cleaning up yet, right? Yeah Yeah Because there could be some renovation there exactly there was a waxed. Yeah, there was like, um There was just there's elements of the book that just don't feel like they got the appropriate attention That didn't get touched well like just things that were underwhelming Uh You know, it feels like half the job was done. That's the best way I can say it and now the half that was done I really liked I feel I need to defend this. Um, I agree with that. That's how I feel about firesliders. Okay. That's fair. That's fair. Um, because But the problem is that 51 positive and I don't think there's any way you couldn't say that book was 51 positive to the Like that was such a great step forward from where they were I think they'll land nicely in the fat middle and you know, that'll be good Yeah, I agree with that. I mean I I thought about like I seriously considered starting an army Yeah, yeah, yeah All right, bone that is we just did our whole review last week So if you want to see in detail what we think you can go watch that But uh, thank you or janky on that I think it's a thank you. I think it's a thank you as well Uh, I am not too worried about them being like overtly crazy powerful. I think they'll be interesting I think they'll be you know, I think they're a good Uh addition to the meta. I do have some concerns about that dumb catapult and what it's gonna do Um, but like the main figures are absolutely gorgeous. I mean my god catacross is off the charts Uh, you know, maybe the most single actual artistically beautiful model they've ever developed Um, the death writers look super cool lots of people. This was a great army that like people like meff and a lot of others Uh found a deep love in immediately like they looked at it and fell in love with it Right, and it's I think that like it's good to have more of my army, right? I think that they're like I said I have some concerns over the catapult ultimately Um, but that's honestly, I think the only thing I have a super concern about right But would you still have those same concerns if the catapult was 240? I I don't know. I I don't know. It might be just like one of those those things The other I guess the other concern is like all enclaves or bone claves weren't created equal Like petrofex is just too good as they often do. So that's a shame. Um Yep, but like there are others that that are also have potential. It's just like Again, so but on the whole if I had to say is the book 51 percent, you know positive Yeah, man, I'm definitely coming down on a thank you on that. Yeah, like people tend to over I think one of the things we often do as a community is we overstate the negatives Right, we find one thing that's bad and we're like, oh now the whole thing's bad and I'm like, oh come on man That's not fair Right, like we've got to look at these things Uh, you know somewhat holistically Yep, and you know to me interesting unique mechanic Cool design cool new models mostly fair fighting stuff. That's a good defensive hard rock with some interesting pieces Yeah, I think they're an interesting army Yep, so Yeah, that's what I'll say now. I mean time will tell who knows maybe we could turn out wrong But like for me where I'm leaning is they'll end up fine and in the middle I certainly don't think we have new slinnesh or something on our hands where it's just gonna No, no, like they are imminently handable by a scope player Yeah, like and not to say that they're like easy or that they're a shrug But I think they will put up a good game and that people with the right tools will be able to deal with everything Okay, so there you go Uh, all right, cool Uh, and yes, obviously like padrofex is is one of the challenge there but overall still positive slaves to darkness Obviously, we don't know what that is yet, but I'm certainly thankful for it. So there you go. That's a big thank you It's going to exist. I'm thankful for that. Absolutely Uh, let's go. So now let's do some other releases go trek I'll give him a thank you. He's a beautiful model. He made lots of people very happy He's an interesting little missile that exists in the in the meta that he can ally into these armies And and be something very scary So, yeah, I mean, well, I'll say is this it's made people happy Yeah And he's cool cool model cool rules. They finally made an individual character worth 520 points. Scary as all get out Uh, yeah, there you go Need enough go treks of thank you war cry Oh, that's thank you huge thank you Dude war cry has been super fun Love it. So glad it exists Make gave another excuse to pick up small groups of other armies. You weren't interested in and play them Uh fun for quick pickup games fun for like the day before attorney tournament Uh fun and uh fun for like when you want to just get together and have a casual time and not put a huge army on the table fun fun fun Like I'm so stoked for war cry. I can't wait to see what else we get for in the future, right? Uh, and I am very thanky and excited about that freaking llama cat The sphere angst or whatever like, oh my goodness. Am I like I am so excited about that model, dude I want to see a video where that thing talks. They should make that thing talk in a video Because I want to know what it sounds like. I know what it sounds like in my head But ask yourself people watching What because that's sphere angst is an intelligent beast like it's it's also telepathic, right? I think it's what they said Yeah, which is extra creepy, but like what does that thing sound like when it talks? What do you hear? Yeah, so definitely a huge huge, uh Fanky on war cry one of the best additions to the game in years Absolutely wonderful Forbidden power What do you got tom? I know what my answer is. Do you want me to go first? Yeah, janky It was a letdown It just was Like it was just it felt like they made death endless spells and then decided to push back a legion's rewrite book And so shoved him into a different box product I agree with that Yep Like That's what it felt like it wasn't a big enough payoff to the story It just like it wasn't as interesting as it could have been now like Narratively some fun stuff happened that we still don't know exactly what the the the ultimate Results are but like it wasn't interesting enough for a whole box and like four was like four endless spells or whatever it was like Cool, I'm glad those couple endless spells if we're entered in there I'm sure a lot of people have made sort of competitive Hey out of it Right got some ghetto factions, but like yeah, I mean Just not at all I I want to see big if you're gonna do a big box thing like that. I want to see Something with an impact. I want to see something like how many times have you seen that terrain piece on the table? zero Zero, I mean other than I guess I think I saw it once in a tournament because there was somebody who had one and was using it as a Like No, no no at a tournament as a like a to was using it for not that You know what I'm saying like they were just using it as terrain as like Or mystical or volcanic terrain, you know, right? That's my critique is that it's just not like It just seems to miss on so many levels and all of the Everything has either been like extraordinarily powerful Such that it needed like points rewrites a month after it dropped Or uh worthless. Yeah ghp 19 Uh, that's uh, thank you It's a thank you overall, but just barely it's the it's the lowest one. Yes, like it's it's it's like 51% It's so close. It was so many missed things in there like why like meeting engagements. Okay, cool Thanks. We didn't need that since the war cry was a month later What was okay? Yeah, exactly exactly Um, you know, what are these meeting engagements you speak of? But like as far as points go most of them were pretty pretty positive adjustments There was a couple things that were head scratchers, but for the most part that part was good Um You know it cleaned up a lot of stuff. I liked the new I like the new command abilities. I liked the new uh scenery rules I thought those were fun, right that came in there Uh, you know, obviously the terrain is we all just jettisoned straight out immediately. Those were dumb like it was As close to janky as you can get without being janky. It was certainly the weakest of all the generals handbooks they've done Yep, right and there weren't changes to things that like everybody wanted changes to right, you know They didn't add enough like the armies that we felt like needed changes got completely untouched and had to be updated separately It it it got it got Clearly thrown under the bus of we're doing all these books. So we don't have time to write all that stuff Right. Yeah, that's what Yep, and it's a shame because like I said, it's there's there's just So many different things they could have done Now it doesn't matter It's in the rear view because like Almost all of those factions in there were honestly touched now as of this like Yep So fine, but the missed opportunity there was just saying look We're not introducing anything new because you're all getting books and they should have just rolled out the release schedule Right like none of the factions are really playable in any significant way other than seraphon Right Yep So, you know, there you go And yes, obviously we all know those terrain placement rules were insane and we immediately go as a community We all jettisoned them So all of it went No, no like I've never heard anybody say are we going to use the terrain rules Nobody uses them. Nobody should use them if you meet somebody and they say do we use these your answer is no Nobody uses them. It's not how we set up terrain So you want to come back? Uh You know like you want to come back gw with some terrain rules try harder By the way, we don't need it the terrain rule is just Pick the six quadrants of the table and put a piece of terrain It is basically a good rule of thumb if you want or not quadrants, you know, I mean six sections of the table Easy enough three three pieces per third of the table. Yeah, so there you go Uh We didn't I didn't put it in here But the gaming book was another little thing that came out that I liked I picked up the little gaming book I actually like it as a little game aid. It's a good game aid and everybody's like, oh, they sold me the same rules again And blah blah blah. Yeah, but they actually put everything together. I wanted I've been complaining forever They didn't put all the like realm stuff and those new terrain rules and and Command abilities and all that stuff into one place So they did and it's actually a really simple handy book and I brought it with me to some tournaments And I get it out when we play and it's I've really never needed to reference anything else So like the game book that's useful. Yeah, that's a win. Yeah big. Thank you on the gaming book It was also cheap. So that's fine Cool, there you go The gaming book was a big thank you All right, let's talk about uh, let's just talk about I want I want to hit the community actually next Uh and say that I think that as this community continues to grow It is the thing I am most thankful for and that's not just me blowing smoke because I'm a content creator or something like that It's really not It's really like the best gaming community out there right now Yes, as somebody who's participated as many of us have in multiple gaming communities Of different sorts over the years I am consistently Uh, impressed and amazed by how awesome the people in this community are By everybody's passion for the hobby their willingness to help Uh, no, I'm not talking beast grave because it was that's that's underworld stuff I could only stick to main aos stuff That's not a real game. We only got so much time unfortunately Uh, but it was cool. There you go. Thank you beast grave was cool. Easy enough. There's the wrap up I can't deep dive on it. Uh, tom unfortunately doesn't have a super ton of time. Um the but like this community continues to be absolutely incredible in Uh, how it helps each other what I see like Everybody a lot of people talk about like oh twitter is so bad or blah blah blah or this and that or these facebook groups or men or whatever And yet like my twitter is wonderful. I spend all day just looking at people shouting out their their models they're working on You know having fun conversations about gaming and about aos and that's all my twitter is It's the most positive place I look at like I can just scroll through it And I'm sad when I catch up to where you know to the to the top because I'm like, oh This was so much good stuff because everybody's awesome Uh, and we just continues to grow, you know the number of events doubled or something over the same amount of time last year. I think is what llv said um And you know more people are coming to tournaments are coming to events We had a bunch of new people come to holy havoc this year and it was incredible I think everybody there had a good time Nash con was so fun like a number of the event there was awesome a number of the events have significant Like charity functions as well And I think like that's a huge like they don't exist for themselves and I love that I love it like havoc for example like the holy events over the last five years Which have been almost all almost exclusively aos like they caught the tail end of 8 Um almost exclusively aos have raised like over 10 grand Yeah, uh for the local like homeless Uh like outreach thing like it's just uh the community is amazing. Yeah Yeah, I think about nova and all the charitable stuff that's going on there and just it's Yeah Yeah, like it's a it is a delight to be part of this community I agree more content creators have come on people just making incredible stuff like my day is generally like full of hobby and aos and warhammer stuff and I I like All these content producers who produce stuff for free because they just want to share their passion is wonderful um like If you the my my best advice is you know is is just keep it up keep building keep being positive Keep sharing your passion sharing your models doing that stuff because We have continued to be a great community over these years even as people said like, oh uh You know blah blah this you know people are growing and negative people this and all this stuff and no It's not what's happened at all Uh, it's just continued to grow and remain positive because we all refuse to let it be anything else. We all all of us not we Tom and I not we content creators. We all of you listening and out there and that's what's awesome about it Yeah Yeah, so there you go Uh, I don't think he said nova and all the terrible stuff that's going on. He said nova and all the charitable stuff Yeah, all the charitable stuff that's going on. Sorry if uh, my I mispronounced that I think yeah, he swallowed part of his word there charitable Yes Yes, not terrible charitable. Yeah, there is terrible is kind of in there charitable a little bit. It's kind of a little bit Yeah, no problem Alex said my worry and rediction is impacting my dnd at this point. I get it man It's it's you gotta you gotta find the balance. Like I said, that's I'm working on I was working on this, you know This map for my game at the same time that I was finishing up running a marathon and everything else It hurt. It's tough uh and then finally like events you did uh You did not get to do as many this year, but we got to do some But every event I went to this year was absolutely top notch. So adept con We're in refest Both of the holy events Nash con nova I'm probably forgetting something but that's a good list Uh, we're all wonderful times. Thank you to everybody who said hi to me. I enjoyed Meeting everybody. I enjoyed Seeing the games doing the paint judging participating The events continue to grow in amazing ways Every tournament there I listed has basically gotten bigger Has gotten more people and has remained Absolutely amazing. Thank you to all the to's of those events and you know who you are Uh, you're all you are all true warhammer heroes Some of you are truly warhammer heroes Uh So it's it's like and all the events I didn't get to go to I'm excited to go to can con for the first time next year. So it's just So jealous It's gonna be great. Um Yeah, I mean, I I don't know what else to say tom other than a giant thank you It's been a good year. It really has like I mean Yes, there's been some rough patches folks being a good year doesn't mean it's been a perfect year And like I said, it's easy. We often get lost in the in the negative things when you know Life comes at you pretty fast. If you don't, uh, stop, you know, look around ever so often. You might just miss it Um, I mean think about it like this within three months The entire game will be updated with current rule stuff. Right Like we're still waiting on a Bretonian book. Yeah For eighth edition Sure, right really dig it right tom. They have to wait four more years and then they'll probably get a book Well, but but that's my point like Like we like almost everything's up to speed and up to date. Like it's just amazing. Oh Yeah, yep Love it So, yes, it's uh Thank you. Lama juice. Absolutely. Uh the um The It's an amazing year It's been great Doesn't mean everything has always been great But on the whole when I look back on it I am very very thankful For everybody for the community for all the releases to everybody at gw who's worked hard And and been a great part of the community themselves To all the to's who are running great and growing events to all the people who are sharing And creating content to everybody who's just interacting and being here and watching to all of you who Uh who've been with us throughout the show You are ultimately why we do this. We are incredibly grateful to all of you for showing up here on these wednesdays I truly truly feel lucky and That we get to do this That we get to sit here and and that you all Show up week to week. We are beyond grateful for you. So Thank you. Happy Thanksgiving everybody Tom any final thoughts you want to say? Um Hey folks, there's a lot to be thankful for like we didn't cover everything, right? Um, and so, uh Just go spread the joy. That's right. Spread that positivity gravy Hashtag positivity gravy And if there's stuff you're thankful for that you didn't put that that we didn't cover drop it down in the comments Uh and because and and share your own positivity there spread that positivity gravy all over the place So with that I will say thank you very much. We certainly appreciate it If you're if you're here in the u.s. Happy Thanksgiving if you're other places in the world have a great rest of your week And we will see you next wednesday Bye. Bye everybody Bye