 I'd like to call the 26th regular meeting of the 2017 2018 common council to order With a clerk, please read the quote for the day Thank You mr. Mayor Though no one can go back and make a brand new start anyone can start from now and make a brand new ending Thank you for that thought Please call the roll there are 16 present Alderperson Andrew Schneider is with us on remote and all their person John Bellinger is not excused 15 present Next is please stand and join me in the Pledge of Allegiance Next item on the agenda is approval the minutes from our last common council meeting Alderperson Wolf Thank You mayor. I make a motion to approve. Thank you for that motion and support. Is there any discussion on the minutes? Seeing none all those in favor, please signify by saying aye. Aye opposed motion passes Next we'll go on a public forum. I'll turn it over to the city clerk Thank you. We have five this evening. The first one is John doleson I can you state your name and address for me, please Jonathan doleson 409 New York Avenue Thank you. You'll have five minutes. Thank you We have a lot of resources in our community like the wild center and the city green space downtown that bring the community together And the more we can invest in and create those kinds of spaces in our area the better It brings more life and excitement to the community and gives people a sense of ownership in their community spaces Gina age 34 Sheboygan has a great entertainment venue But they aren't large enough to bring in the more popular acts People are willing to go to Milwaukee or even Chicago to see their favorite bands or shows and standing your monthly venues And they make a night or weekend of it It would be great to take that weekend of money and time spent elsewhere and keep it local Brad 32 Growing up in Sheboygan the Armory has always held strong happy memories for my family and me The thought of demolishing the building is quite depressing I believe the proposal to turn the Armory into community and Civic Center is a wonderful well thought out idea We will be we will be able to keep the history of the building provide a space for community to gather and Add life to the lakefront all while generating revenue It's the best best of both worlds for our community Olivia age 32 The Armory is a major historical piece of Sheboygan Although today it is unused and vacant Through many years it brought our community together through its wonderful events I find it important to revitalize the building and use it to its full potential By turning the Armory into a community and Civic Center We are allowing Sheboygan as a whole to come together again as well as providing our visitors and newcomers a Place where they can feel a part of our community Let's not forget that it sits in our beautiful lakefront and will not go unseen or unused Gracia age 26 Tearing down a statement of what Sheboygan used to be for apartments In no way strengthens our community. We need to have places where we can once again Build our community instead of just adding more apartments on the Armory site Jason age 28 The Armory project ties Sheboygan's past with the future The Armory is an iconic building that has been a great deal to generations of Sheboyganites This project adds 40 apartments and preserves the building while providing a community center For entertainment and innovation that will make Sheboygan more attractive for Millennials. It's a win win Kyle 25 We have an opportunity to accentuate Sheboygan as a destination while also preserving an historic building People who would travel for conferences shows etc. I need places to eat shop and lodge I think this space would add to already successful businesses Janine 26 Why not build up a community center or venue for events that will attract people and grow our local businesses here? We could do bigger events trade shows job fairs the sky is the limit of opportunity Brian 28 The Armory is a staple of our community no matter how much disrepair it may be in at the current time This is a group of community members gung-ho on saving it. It'd be a shame to overlook their passion and drive They also aren't the first group to voice this opinion, which should tell you how important this is Sheboygan does not have a good history of preserving historical sites And this is a great big one that will actually benefit the community not just sit there You don't know that something won't work unless you give it a try Bailey 28 You can always build apartments Why not take advantage to do something that will make people want to come and stay in Sheboygan Annie 27 There are countless Quotes like this from the Millennials many of them don't like being called Millennials The ages 25 to 40 if we want them to stay we need to give them something to do Thank you for your time Thank you Joanne Scribner Could you please state your name and address for us? Joanne Scribner three Seneca Trail Sheboygan. Thank you. You'll have five minutes Save the Sheboygan Auditorium in Armory It seems like the mayor the city administrator and some of you people in city development and planning and some of you people in the Department of Public Works and some of you people in finance and some of you all the persons Do not want to save this historic Sheboygan Municipal Auditorium and Armory you don't seem to care about historical buildings and historical sites in Sheboygan You want to tear them down? You want to build another big apartment complex? That the average Sheboygan citizen cannot afford to rent 1000 to the $1,600 a month seriously You want to ram your agenda down our throats you don't care what the citizens of Sheboygan want If you cared you would put the issue of saving the Sheboygan Municipal Auditorium and Armory on a ballot on a Referendum for the citizens of Sheboygan to vote on What's next for your wrecking ball and destruction of Sheboygan history the Sheboygan Press Building? Built in I think 1905 That's the year my dad was born. I Believe WHBL radio started in the lunchroom on the second floor of the Sheboygan Press at 632 Center Avenue My cousin University of Madison graduate and Plymouth High School graduate Bob Joslin was a reporter and City editor of the Sheboygan Press. I Was probably one of the world's oldest paper carriers for the Sheboygan Press at age 42 Then I became a city representative and district manager and I hired trained and fired paper carriers age 12 and up I had some excellent 12 year old paper carriers for the Sheboygan Press who are outstanding adults today The Wednesday March 21st meeting the meeting were K. L. Amin co-founder of the Milwaukee real estate development from Scott The firm Scott Crawford Incorporated spoke before city leaders Did Jennifer Lurkey president of the Armory Community Project a group behind? Efforts to restore the Armory did Jennifer get proper and timely notification of that meeting so she could speak discrepancy there Check out your Saturday April 7th edition of the Sheboygan Press With a headline that says Armory proponent disputes city leader statement What are the credentials of the Scott Crawford Incorporated development firm? I've heard more than one city all the person voice doubts about that firm Where's the proof of quality in their apartment buildings and their projects that they build? Jennifer Lurkey Dane Schaefer Travis Gross and Bill feel Among other citizens of Sheboygan want to save the Sheboygan auditorium in Armory They have great ideas and plans in place to turn the Armory into a modern public convention center and business incubator Rosemary Trester and Scott Lewandowski want to save the Sheboygan Armory If only there are more kind-hearted all the persons like Scott and Rosemary on the Sheboygan Common Council Oh, I know you've got some kind hearts in here, but I thought those two are something special Thank you so much Scott and Rosemary for your hard and dedicated work as Sheboygan all the persons I appreciate both of you so much praying for you Scott Praying for you Rosemary Praying for all of you actually Now let's just go down memory lane Bill Wongaman, Sheboygan City historian remember him used to be an all-the-person here Let's see. How do we start here? I've got 46 pages. Do I have time? Do I have left? Not that much Okay, so it was It was in 42 I believe That is actually 1940 May 3rd March 13 1940 Sheboygan Common Council resolution submitted for construction of the Armory March 19 of 1940 Sheboygan Common Council approves plans to build a Sheboygan Armory and Auditorium March 23rd of 1940 The total cost of the Armory is Armory is projected to be two and a four thousand 154,000 of this is to be covered by a grant from the Federal WPA project May 1 of 1941 cornerstone laying ceremony followed by a parade May 22nd through 24th, 1942 the grand opening Featuring the mammoth Olympia indoor circus sponsored by Sheboygan Baseball Association May 11th of 42 the first north central high school graduation ceremony held at the Armory 584 total graduates July 4th 1942 Armory dedicated on the 4th of July excuse me Joanne your time's up. Thank you Thank you. See you the Armory, please Dane Schaefer State your name and address for me, please Dane Schaefer 3728 South 13th Street You'll have five minutes. I Started my first business a hookah bar at the age of 21 At that time very few people in this area knew what that was and less thought there was any market for it To start it I took a $20,000 SBA loan For approval the lender understandably required my father co-sign I'll never forget one detail of that process one day the branch manager said to my father Tell your kid tell your kid will give him the money But when he fails just remember that you're on the hook for it I will always believe that person is an unprofessional jerk But I don't fault him for being skeptical yet the bank had protected itself from my potential failure And I received the loan three years later my business was nearly debt-free and my original lease was up with my new bank I took 70,000 in loans to purchase and renovate a building that had sat unused and in disrepair for years The apricot lounge still operates profitably out of that location at 1116 Michigan Avenue And we'll celebrate 12 years in business in September. I know my business is in the grand scheme of things small potatoes It's opening however This is how much I put into this I'm crying right now And I know my business is in the grand scheme of things small potatoes Since opening however it has brought a little more culture to our city and offered something That has made many young adults a little happier to live here and even employed some of them It has paid sales property payroll and excise taxes It's hired local contractors and bought goods and supplies from area vendors And cleaned up a vacant eyesore on Michigan Avenue If the original lender had decided that despite being protected from my failure They couldn't grant the loan because they knew I was going to fail None of it would have been possible for that I have respect for the lender It would be very easy to predict that something isn't viable And then confirm the prediction by denying the other party the ability to prove themselves The developer agreement is your co-signature With many opportunities for the city to reclaim the property should we fail to meet the negotiated milestones In this case however the potential return on investment is far greater than the interest that lender earned The city will realize taxes from the development of the lot behind the building Our two commercial rentals and from our organization's $10,000 annual pilot or payment in lieu of taxes There will be sales taxes from events rentals and commercial lease holders The $5.9 million renovation will also be a great boost for the local economy The positive impact the army will have on the community is invaluable Sheboygan employers have struggled recruiting and retaining members of the largest generation in the workforce Millennials The most perplexing part watching the city try to find a solution to this dilemma Is often whose ideas are considered valid and whose aren't What we are offering is a giant leap towards making this a more appealing place for this demographic to call home Besides young professionals and young families the armory and its programming will be accessible and appealing to residents and visitors of all ages and backgrounds We are offering a place that will maintain the lively community we have during summer year round Okay, I can make it Throughout this process. I feel the experience of the members of our organization has often been overlooked Besides the epicure lounge my wife and I own and lease a commercial property in Sheboygan While my parents have recently allowed me to spend an absurd amount of time of their time on this project I have continued to work for them full-time at legendaries During this project I was a producer for 10 of charlie barron's sold-out comedy shows throughout the state Including those at the wild center I am the current chair of one of Sheboygan presses people or groups of 2017 Sheboygan soup Which among other things maybe not Which among other things has been working hard to plan next week monday's event at three sheeps I'm a founding member of reboot Sheboygan and have continued working with the group to refurbish computers for local nonprofits and people in need Most importantly, I'm a husband and a father of two beautiful boys One of which who was born only days Days after this whole thing started There are six other people on our board that have unique but similarly impressive backgrounds That have dedicated a lot to getting us to this point We have pursued this with no benefit to us besides the fact that we believe it is the best path forward for Sheboygan We have met and overcome every obstacle and expectation that has been placed in our way On very short timelines. I would not have put this much The amount of time and effort money and resources that I have while juggling everything else If I didn't believe this plan is viable I'm asking for you to recognize that we are a group of intelligent and experienced people that have proven We deserve this opportunity. We're offering our resources and risking our reputations to make Sheboygan a more vibrant community And only asking for the opportunity to do so. Thank you Dan Shekalinsky How'd I do? Will you state your name and address for me, please? Sure. Dan Shekalinsky 32 17 west Apache. You'll have five minutes. Thank you I want to thank all of you for all the support the city has given Sheboygan an economic development What got me personally excited about saving the armors the sheer size and potential of the building as an events venue However soon realized that Sheboygan north and south both field houses capable of holding 3000 spectators The same capacity as the armory and are among the largest field houses in wisconsin Not only are our field houses enormous, but they're also rarely used Any one of us can host a major event at cost by contacting the sast recreational department In recent memory south hosted the bernie sanders presidential rally fulfilling a major role the armory armory once had played School district administrators have consistently stated that public and social events are of a high priority and will bump other activities Save a sport competition. This policy of community first remains in effect today After I take away the size argument There's one thing that is stuck in my head and that is the opportunity cost I've talked with my board of directors about the need to construct at least 80 more single family homes per year One board member expressed apprehension And they thought that this goal was ambitious We after we talked to the meeting I asked the question What is 80 homes going to do when we have 3000 open jobs? It was that moment when my board member realized that building merely 80 homes a year is like trying to drain a Pond with a five gallon bucket I'm afraid we all vastly underestimated the housing crisis And if we started building housing five years ago, perhaps we wouldn't have lost mayline A great start to our housing has been the addition of new apartments But by far the biggest criticism is that they are not widely affordable Only the scott crawford proposal includes workforce housing Which ensures units are available to those at lower incomes while simultaneously Subsidizing rent in a highly desirable location along lake michigan In addition, no recently built apartments include three bedroom units for families Crawford's proposal contains several dozen rentable townhomes kick starting a new housing development product requested by relocating families The financial benefits of the cities are worlds apart. The estimated annual property tax is $370,000 for crawfords and Approximately $100,000 for the army project a difference of over a quarter million dollars a year Choosing crawfords proposal puts four million dollars more in a 20 year tid without the need to expand water or sewer The project builds exactly what sheboygan needs financially property tax density Public low-cost family friendly events are indeed needed I have been impressed with the city's initiative to create a new city green events venue and creating a calendar events with almost no budget consider this due to the low incentive asked by crawford Deal the city would have the funds and it's had to put at least $100,000 annually to sponsor family friendly public events for a generation You would have the opportunity to get both affordable housing and low-cost entertainment for sheboygan's working family by choosing the crawford's deal The scdc leadership must lend its support to the crawford proposal Because of the quarter million dollar annual tax difference the plan includes affordable housing It is the first project to include rentable townhomes for families And the community has already passed a 32 million dollar referendum to create not one But two spectator public event spaces At no point does our support of the crawford diminish our health and respect for the armory project's ideas contrary To what the foundation would have you believe By voting to demolish the building you are not the bad guy. You're doing exactly what the community Or you're not doing exactly what the community doesn't want 18,000 people during the 2004 november presidential election Voted to not only replace the armory, but agreed to have their property taxes raised to do so That's 18,000 voters who agreed to pay additional property taxes not to have their sporting events held at the armory that number Now it is well in your power to turn this tired asset into an annual tax annuity of over $370,000 so that our community may continue to grow and thrive. Thank you Thank you Sally karson Sally karson 320 lincoln now for shaboykin. Thank you. You'll have five minutes Thank you for giving us time to speak this evening We are hopeful that the elders will take into consideration the people of shaboykin's wishes And the benefits restoring the armory will have to the quality of life of the people of the city Once upon a time we heard how the building was in disrepair Which has been confirmed by a local contractor that it's built like a brick shit house and isn't as bad as we've been told Every time the elders say that the building is in dis dis repair it hurts our cause immensely If we can rehab the while center we can rehab the armory The armory project has found a solution for each problem The council has put in front of us some elders had concerns about our business plan and hopefully we've addressed those concerns Our business plan to sound thought out and shows that what we intend Is up to us to make it a reality Focus on what we can bring to the table in terms of the quality of life in shaboykin So what does that look like for young professionals that we want to bring to our community? They are the learners and the innovators They want well-rounded life with entertainment and opportunity They want nearby options so they don't have to increase their carbon footprint evidenced by the addition of bike paths around the city these past few years They want a place where they can support their community and the people in it We have an opportunity to create that space for them I want to take a minute to talk about one idea that didn't make it to the business plan because of timing reasons Larger maker fairs take place in cities like chicago and new york In between these larger maker fairs smaller cities host mini maker fairs There's three tiers of mini maker fairs small medium and large We would be able to host the larger of the maker fairs and the armory and bring makers from green bay milwaukee chicago That's 2,500 to 6,000 That would come to shaboykin and increase our revenue. We have growing maker movement in the community Why not make it that much better by hosting it at the armory? Another item that did get into the business plan that I'd like to talk about are craft fairs Handmade movement is growing with a desire for young people to spend their money on one of a kind quality local handmade goods here We could be the next to host shows like art versus craft no walkie They had 90 vendor spots and 350 artists that would apply Admission was five dollars They need then there's need for this type of a show in shaboykin Bring these designers and doers and makers together under the roof of the armory for a weekend in the winter and give everyone Something to look forward to midway through february or march Why can't we beat the place to go for these type of events? Cedarburg draw so many people for their strawberry festival that there's times when people are shoulder to shoulder and can't get through An estimated 100,000 people Why isn't that a win-win for us and the businesses around us? As for bands coming to shaboykin local isn't the issue Venue is we're giving them a space for bands to perform And when it comes to where a band will perform the size of the city doesn't matter as much as the size of the venue I saw dave mathews in saratoga springs new york Population there is 30 000. Why wouldn't a band come up to shaboykin? they can The fact is that our plan is multifaceted and can't be broke down into If this part of the plan does or doesn't work We have planned for very types varied types of income streams So that if one falters for the moment, we are not caught without any means of paying the bills We have proven that we are motivated and innovative innovative enough to figure out other opportunities If one doesn't pan out the way we expect But in all honesty with the types of inquiries we've gotten i'm not worried about any part of our plan We have already been approached by multiple people in the community about utilizing the building for events There's a great need for this type of space. We're offering in shaboykin As for the apartments if we need apartments, so be it Let them build somewhere else Why does shaboykin have to give up its historical buildings and sacrifice a great viable community space? Let them build somewhere else leave our armory alone We have worked to put together an amazing amount of information for the city's consideration not because we were desperate or sentimental Our group is striving for something more than that Opportunity and enrichment The people on our board have shown that they have shaboykin's best interests at heart and are willing to put our time and energy into this cause The question is to the people on this council have the same intention Let's make this a unanimous vote tonight Thank you That's it for this evening Thank you very much We'll go on to our presentations. So we've made arrangements to offer both scott crawford and the armory community project Oh, okay. I'm sorry back up 1.5 is confirmation of mayor's appointments city attorney There is one appointment The mayor hereby submits the following appointment for your consideration Andy ross to be considered for appointment to the board of review To fill the unexpired term of pete fullerton whose term expires april 25 2021 Alter person wolf. Thank you. Mayor. I make a motion to confirm second. Thank you for that motion in support All those in favor of confirmation, please signify by saying aye. Aye opposed Motion passes Next we'll go on to presentations. We've made arrangements for both scott crawford and the armory project community project They have 15 minutes each to give us a background and presentation of their proposals scott crawford will begin Here's the uh, advanced sir Thank you very much and you'll have 15 minutes Uh, good evening everyone. Once again, my name is q elamine and i'm here with scott crawford incorporated Are presenting our proposal for the redevelopment of the armory site So a lot of people say why the armory site? What's the attraction? It's threefold One is of course the location We all know that its proximity to the harbor and also late michigan makes it a prime location for anyone to want to live at The second is economic growth The dwd department workforce development presented that 700 new jobs were added to shabuagan county But shabuagan's county saw a population loss So how do we attract and also retain the people who want to live and work in shabuagan? and the third Is a world-class city. I've been traveling in shabuagan for two years Personally, and I love all the amenities that are here along with the art museum The of course the bathrooms that are in there. Then you also have a fecola And you just have a lot of great amenities. So how do we build housing that supports those amenities? So again, we're going to kind of address some key points tonight And I'm going to bring up The team of people that I'm working with on the project to also explain their roles in the process I also wanted to present an idea that we're working on I wanted to let you guys know that it has never been My focus or aim to do anything that the city of shabuagan did not want when I first looked at this site two years ago The the feeling of the community was to keep the site So these were plans that were made two years ago as a a block rendering of keeping the armory site So at that time before the council had voted to of course Modest the building that was my aim. So it's never been my aim to do anything that you guys did not want And I at least wanted to share that with you guys Can you raise the microphone a little bit, please? Oh, I'm sorry Is this better So for my project, uh, what we're looking to do is to create a hundred and twenty two Apartment units 110 of those which are apartments and then 12 of those which are townhome units We do have a mix of one two and three bedroom units And in there we will have some affordable housing And we will also have housing that is regular market rate housing which the market will allow And on the board you can see the range of Rents between the affordable housing and also the market rate housing if I can get the clicker to work It's not So to keep everything moving on what I'm going to do now is I'm going to bring up my co-developer chrysler rent to give a little bit of background about himself And his experience in development Good evening. My name is chrysler rent. I work for a company called sinir We are a community development financial institution based in lansing michigan I wear two hats with the company. I invest in affordable housing throughout wisconsin and minnesota And i'm president of our development arm, which is called sinare solutions As q alluded to, uh, I have a history that involves some work actually here in shubwagon I worked for the housing finance agency To to work on garden toy factory. We provided the the tax credits at the time And much of my career we've spent Preserving affordable housing preserving existing buildings In fact sinare solutions right now is working Just wrapping up a development in detroit, which is On the dash register of historic places and we're about halfway through construction in minn row michigan Which is about halfway between detroit and and um to leto So we certainly respect, uh, wherever the community wants us to go and right now I guess we're following the previous decision, which was to take the armory down From a broad brush perspective. We think it's a great, uh development I think um folks have have asked about q's background and um he and i met About two years ago. He was a student in a class that i teach called acre, which is associates in commercial real estate and i was Really, uh, i guess impressed with his presence and ability to Bring good teams together and he's done that With our architectural team led by mark urns to denberg anderson mark and i have worked together Um, uh, and uh green fire would be a new relationship with us as developer or as the general contractor And then team management manages a number of properties that we have in our portfolio so Part of what a developer does really is brings together really talented folks and leverages those talents and skills to make things happen um and so What q has asked us to do is provide financial support Potentially through the purchase of credits But then also to offer development expertise. So I have about 25 years of development expertise working for a number of different firms And collectively we have the financial backing of a 3.7 billion dollar organization again based in lansing I office in madison. I told folks at the finance community last week that last year I have heartedly tried to camp at uh, kola andre, but we got rained out So I look for fun activities here in shabuagan Um, but we see this as a major opportunity. I think to enhance the city Sort of piling on with what your economic development director had said Really creating compelling places for people to live with easy access to downtown in a real, uh, sort of fresh and innovative housing type that that Certainly if it exists here isn't is modern or up to speed as it could be Cube did you have more if you wanted to add? So I really just want to point out One more item as I go through Think it froze again As I go through uh the process But I really wanted to give a profile Which would you have been seeing of a person that would lived in the affordable housing unit on the site And I looked up a couple different jobs and one of them was an engineering technician at aerotech Who would make uh, $18 an hour So that person if they had a wife and also, uh, a small child will be able to live in an affordable housing Unit which will be about a thousand dollars a month for them in their small child So these are workforce units for people Who make modern incomes? So I really want to point that out and another thing In conclusion, I want to say is that we will be providing a large property tax as dana alluded to Right around 360 thousand dollars is what uh, the property tax will be each year So it will be a good financial, uh boost uh to the the city of shabuagan and also the county And I'm sorry you couldn't see the presentation in this entirety And so I guess if we can't take uh, are you doing questions? No, there's no questions. Okay Thank you Is that the end of your presentation? He's just gonna get it back here Go ahead and advance it So again, I really want to call mark urns up if we have a couple a couple minutes To speak about the design of the building Sure, could you go back? Introduce myself first mark urns. I am the president of angler garrison architects. We have um Designed more housing downtown in moaki than any other firm over the last 10 15 years and it's been it's really a pleasure Um and uh an honor to work with q. I'll just say q and I went to south africa two years ago That's part of the delegation moaki has a sister city in south africa So we I've got to know him pretty well, and I think he's a rising star in the community but reflecting on The choice you have um A lot of our projects north end and moaki river heath project in appleton Were both designed and built on sites of paper mills And historic buildings and the cities grow and change and I think that's part of the the question here tonight But the thing we're excited about this opportunity is bringing people down to the water and being And people living um in the community and what's driving a lot of cities the success of cities um Small and large is people living downtown and that's what's driving and there's 20 years ago 30 years ago people were building shopping malls downtown But it's really driving the success of cities is the housing So we've we've taken a quick look at by no means do we think this is the final design We think the pro forma works, but what we did is a larger building the faces lake that enjoys the views of the lake and then we've also design townhomes That kind of stepped down to the neighborhood So we believe believe this is really our first step. We did working with cure the last couple years We did look at a project that wrapped around the armory and kept the armory, but Things have changed and that's where we are today. So we're really open to a process of Developing the design further and listening to the input of the community as we move forward And as we go go through Green fire will be the contractor On the project and these are some of the projects that they completed And so we're gonna let tom just speak very quickly to green fires expertise Thank you. Thank you. My name is tom Heinrich. I'm with green fire management services We're a construction management firm out of Milwaukee, Wisconsin Um a large part of the work that we do is multifamily development This type of project fits in very well with what we do. We have a lot of experience in it The company was started about 2010 we're wholly owned by the pottawatomie business development corporation, which is the pottle forest county pottawatomie tribe We have a strong financial backing. We have over 75 million worth of bondability Um since 2010 we've put in place about over two two thousand apartment units Totalling well over 200 million dollars um annual revenues are Over 60 million dollars next year. We're looking at about 80 million dollars of their revenue We are a strict or a straight construction manager What that means is when we go and do and we're part of a project like this in the community we uh We don't self perform any of the work Which means that we have the opportunity to work with local subcontractors local workforce And that's a huge part of uh of what we do when we go into a community We we create relationships with those people and And we really try to work with communities that we're not necessarily from again, uh, you know This type of project really falls into our wheelhouse and and uh While we haven't worked with q on a project. We've worked with angberg-anderson on um significant significant number of projects in our well-suited to uh to be able to Bring this to fruition Q you have about a minute to wrap up then So in conclusion, I would like to uh last see just thank you guys again for the opportunity to present Our proposal. It's been a great process. Uh these last two years working in shabu again And whichever decision you choose. I know shabu again will be successful. So thank you guys Thank you very much We'll call up the armory community project Please proceed. All right. Hello I'm jennifer lurkey from the armory president of the armory community project Since we last spoke to council We've submitted over 600 pages of information to you and I hope you've taken the time to read every single page of it We've adopted our bylaws our articles of incorporation have been endorsed by the wisconsin department of financial institutions We've adopted a conflict of interest policy. We've received an employer identification number from the irs We've begun research for and discussion with the wisconsin historical society regarding the national register of historic places The building is certainly eligible at a statewide level of significance But perhaps at a national level of significance, which is incredibly rare um Excuse me eligible at this level for its association with the history Of recreation and entertainment For its role in the history of professional basketball and the formation of the nba But also as the location for the first racially integrated game in all of professional sports on november 25th 1942 We believe we've sufficiently answered all of your concerns about the ramifications of national register listing To but if you have any more feel free to ask them later. I'm available for that We've received an opinion from baker tilly that the project will qualify and is eligible for federal new market tax credits We've begun talks for a major gift commitment and have been ruled in and qualified for focus on energy's design assistance program Which offers up to 400 000 dollars per customer per calendar year and incentives We have obtained letters from Three financial institutions who are interested in purchasing or brokering our 4.6 million in historic and new market tax credits We've fleshed out our business plan and are happy with the staff's assessment that the income Expenses and programming appear to be solid An adjunct professor of nonprofit management at lakeland university has also reviewed our plan And we appear to be on the right track if anything we've been told that many of our expense assumptions are a bit too high We've had meetings with dozens and dozens of people We have two experienced restaurant tours that are interested in the cafe Two experienced restaurant tours who are interested in the pub We've talked to local caterers about the kitchen. We've talked to concert promoters organizations that wish to have conferences there Crafters and makers who are interested in participating in craft shows and maker markets We've talked to several executive directors of local nonprofits about salaries and wages and makeup of staff We've talked to several local groups that want to have events there We continue to collect signatures on paper and electronic petitions and we've got over 900 of them that we shared with you today We completed an exhaustive utility cost study We've prepared a unique programming guide to showcase the types of events the armory community project plans to host To ensure a self-sustaining operation But also to differentiate from local organizations And also to show you that we can't have them at north and south high This programming guide did not include facility rentals for things like conferences community events and weddings The programming guide I need to repeat was strictly for the things we would plan to have ourselves as the armory community project There's a whole myriad of other things that could happen in that building and will happen in that building We also completed a thorough transportation and parking plan As far as our redevelopment agreement I want to highlight a few key points in there The armory community project waived our request for the remainder of the demolition funds our initial plan We had requested the remainder of those funds. We have waived that we no longer want them We didn't take them into account in our sources and uses We've agreed to compensate the city for the certified survey map We've agreed to an annual pilot payment of ten thousand dollars We've also come to an agreement on the reversionary clause Armory community project shell have um also I wanted to point out Some key dates and deadlines because there are many many of them in there There are many opportunities for you guys to take the building away from us if we don't succeed Um the biggest ones obviously we need to receive major gift commitments of 1.5 million Within 120 days and an additional 900,000 within 180 days Including the tax credits we shall have obtained a total of seven million dollars in 240 days If we fail to do so the city has the right to terminate the agreement Of the seven million five point nine million is for the construction equipment A million dollars is for an endowment and a hundred thousand dollars is for startup working capital We've not officially started our campaign yet And we feel it would be foolish to do so until we have some sort of an agreement from you guys As far as our experience the armory community projects board of directors has over 172 years of nonprofit experience Sitting on the boards of numerous local organizations as well as several statewide regional and national organizations Serving all roles from just a director all the way up to president. We understand how nonprofits operate The armory community projects board of directors has written 11 business plans and we've run 18 businesses in wisconsin New york and mexico We understand how businesses operate and we know that the best nonprofits are run like businesses Members of our design and construction team Have secured 15.5 million and federal and state historic tax credits for their clients in the last four years alone They've closed over 295 million in new market tax credits and our general contractor alone has 115 119 years of experience Our team is primarily local and typical historic preservation projects between 60 and 70 of the total cost goes towards labor This has a very practical effect on the local economy because money spent local Stays local and it further expands our project's value and economic impact in the community So i want to thank um dean seen Dane czecholinsky for citing 14 year old voting data But i want to cite some more current information The community is speaking loud and clear about this project In a recent online poll on nextdoor.com 60 of residents wanted the city to support a proposal that will remodel and continue to use the armory that was 300 of Either depending on where you get your source from 24 Possible 2400 possible respondents or 3,500 possible respondents in either case that was an 8.6 to a 12.2 Percent response rate. That's a pretty amazing response rate In a recent online poll on my shboygan.com 78 percent of residents thought the armory should be remodeled and reopened to the public That one had a 1.5 percent response rate And most recently in the results of the city's 2018 community survey Which was touted for its exceptional response rate at 3 percent of adult residents The armory was mentioned in 22 point excuse me 20.2 percent of the responses regarding critical projects And potential new initiatives for implementation in 2019 and 2020 Now I scoured through all of those myself last week of those responses 69.2 percent were in favor of preserving the building 22.6 were in favor of demolishing the building And 8.2 just mentioned the building didn't say one way or another what they wanted But they urged the city to make a decision The public has spoken time and time again over the last several months Overwhelmingly in favor of repurposing this building and you as the elected officials of this community need to listen Now I want to talk a little bit about tax and economic impact The city has already spent 160 thousand dollars on lead and asbestos abatement at the armory And gorman's plan calls for 600 thousand dollars and if you guys have questions for Gorman ted mat come is here this evening as well Gorman's plan calls for 600 000 and tiff for a total investment by the city of 760 thousand dollars This is a low cost public investment by the city that will spur 12.5 million dollars in private investment That's a return on investment of 16 dollars and 45 cents for every city dollar spent The other plan before you tonight with more demolition costs and more tiff incentives Will only return 10 dollars and 48 cents back to the city for every dollar spent Now what about other impacts? What is the per year impact on our local economy for our project? Well, let's take a look at 40 000 out-of-town visitors per year at the building Which we believe is a conservative estimate estimate and these are just the out-of-towners Bookworm gardens just as a reference point hosts over 60 000 visitors a year in 2016 And they're only open for six months of the year The spending of these visitors will boost our local businesses Based on figures from visit sheboygan 70 percent of them will come for the day and they spend 58 dollars per person Which will generate 1.6 million dollars in economic activity The remaining 30 percent will stay overnight and will spend 180 dollars per person per day And their average stay is 2.5 days This will generate 5.4 million dollars in economic activity So we are looking at a total of 7 million dollars in economic activity out of this project In total the armory community projects projected tax impacts Have been grossly understated. So I've got some new figures for you We have agreed to a pilot so payment in lieu of taxes to the city of ten thousand dollars Gorman and company Will have if you use the same rates as other projects that are being discussed tonight About 97 thousand dollars a year in property taxes The pub Will also pay property taxes the four pro- Look, excuse me four profit portions of the building will be taxed The cafe will also Have property taxes The pub will pay personal property taxes and those of you that are business owners understand that there are such a thing As personal property taxes I get to pay a tax for my conference room table at my office every year Uh the cafe will also pay personal property taxes The pub will pay sales taxes the cafe will pay sales taxes There's going to be visitor spending that generates sales taxes And then of course those overnight stays that have room tax associated with them All in and I only counted the 0.5 percent sales tax We are looking at two hundred and thirty three thousand dollars Over two hundred and thirty three thousand dollars in years one through ten Of taxes paid to the city not just a hundred thousand Two hundred and thirty three thousand multifaceted from a variety of different sources That will go to a variety of different departments in the city and will pay for a variety of different things Most importantly the sales taxes which go towards our roads Scott Crawford's plan in years one through ten is only paying a hundred and seventy five thousand dollars in taxes We have a net gain of nearly 60 thousand dollars in years one through ten with our plan So you tell me which one generates more taxes It's going to take their plan 18 and a half years to catch up to ours So if this comes down to property tax base We win These figures don't even take into account state sales tax federal and state income tax of the armory community project the pub or the cafe employees Many have asked us to consider building elsewhere First we wouldn't have the benefit of the historic tax credits And depending on the location quite possibly the new market tax credits In addition new construction of a similar size facility would cost twice as much Both of these make that option of building elsewhere financially infeasible The other option you're voting on tonight has numerous other opportunities to build elsewhere And capitalize on the same financial package of tiff and low-income housing tax credit incentives Can go anywhere ours can't we don't have that option our financial package only works with this building on this site Give us a chance to prove it to you We're offering something better for our community Something to attract millennials something to give our younger residents of reason to stay Or return after they've been away to college And some that's somewhat of an incentive to get new hires to relocate here We believe our multifaceted business plan is the best choice for the citizens of shabuigan and we ask for your vote tonight Thank you Thank you very much for your presentation Next is mayor's announcements We've just completed a historic election one in which our council is shifting from 16 older persons down to 10 And for the first time and i'm sure a half a century or more We've had the entire council up for reelection at the same time in order to orchestrate this change And unfortunately we have to say goodbye to some people that have given a lot of service to this city So first of all, I'd like to call up andy ross Andy ross has served for older person for this last year. We want to thank him for his dedicated service He served on the finance and personnel committee andy. Thank you so much Next I'd like to call up older person henry nelson He would like to thank henry for one year of dedicated service to the city of shabuigan as older person Henry served on the public works committee and he's also served in the past on the library board Henry, thank you so much Next I'd like to recognize older person andrew schneider. Andrew is with us online I'd like to thank him for two years of dedicated service He served as on the public works committee as vice chairman The finance committee and the salary and grievance committee during his tenure with us. Andrew. Thank you very much Next I'd like to call up older person roman dron roman Came in and in interim role to fill a vacancy and I'd like to thank him for three years of dedicated service roman served as council vice president Of the public protection and safety committee chairman and also the law and licensing committee vice chairman roman Thank you so much for your dedicated service Next I'd like to call up older person brian bitters brian is being recognized for four years of dedicated service During his tenure. He served on the public protection and safety committee and the public works committee brian Thank you so much for your help Next one is older person scott lee windowsky scott We'd like to thank you for four years of dedicated service During his time he served on the salary and grievances committee the law and licensing committee and also served as assistant city historian He served from april 17th of 2012 through april 14th of 2014 He had a brief break in service and then came back in april 19th of 2016 through april 16th of 2018 scott. Thank you so very much Next I'd like to call up older person michael damro michael Is given the certificate of appreciation and recognition of four years of dedicated service to the city of sheboygan Is an older person michael served on the public protection and safety committee as vice chairman His service was from april 15th of 2014 through april 16th of 2018. Thank you very much mike Next I'd like to call up older person susan holshew Susan is being honored for six years of dedicated service to the city of sheboygan During this time she served in the law and licensing committee most recently as chairman The public protection and safety committee as vice chairman and also the public safety committee That's from april 17th of 2012 through april 16th of 2018 Susan thank you so very much for your service And lastly I'd like to Recognize all the person john bellinger who isn't with us today But we'll pass this on to him for six years of dedicated service as an older person during this time He served as council vice president public works committee chairman finance committee vice chairman And he also served on the public protection and safety committee john. Thank you for your service as well Next item on the agenda Is a public hearing It's item 2.1 hearing number 17 of 17 18 for the proposed assessments for water lateral replacements on south 13th street And henry street from broadway avenue to mead avenue Is there anyone wishing to be heard? Is there anyone wishing to be heard? Is there anyone wishing to be heard? Older person wolf Thank you mayor. I make a motion to close the hearing second Thank you for that motion and support all those in favor of closing the hearing. Please signify by saying aye. Aye opposed There's a service six years dedicated service serving as council vice president public works committee chair finance committee vice chair Public protection and safety. Thank you so much john Next we'll move on to the consent agenda that will include items 3.1 through 3.17 All the person wolf Thank you mayor. I make a motion to accept and file all our oaths accept and adopt all our c's and paths all resolutions and ordinances Second thank you for that motion and support Is there any discussion on any of the items on the consent agenda? Seeing none will the clerk please call the roll ryan Okay, thank you john. Did you want to it never came up? It never came up. Yeah Now it's all coming up. What do you vote on? I know I can vote it. Okay. Just vote again. Yeah, just vote again, please. We vote again. Yes, please. Yes, please John, what do you vote? Please It didn't come up again. What do you came up for me? It did. Yeah, it's saying 15. Okay. All right, so 16 eyes motion passes Next we'll move on to uh reports of officers items 4.1 through 4.4 will be referred to committees of the due council Under resolutions items 5.1 and 5.2 will be referred to the public works committee of the new council And um under reports of committees all the persons of aglio. Did you have a question? Yes, I make a request to the chair to move item 6.10 before 6.9, please Second Can we make it wait till we get to that part of the Let's see. So you want to move 6.10 to where? To before 6.9 No, we're just referred. Okay Okay Okay, there's been a motion to um move 6.10 Can you make a decision on your own if you so choose if you If you as the chair say no, then you can be challenged Well, I'm being challenged then so we'll take a vote on the motion to move that item With a clerk, please call the roll. What are we going to change of order in the agenda? What are we voting on? This moves the armory project ahead of the stat crawford project vote Should we vote on 6.1? No, we're we're it's just it's a procedural motion challenging the chair's Uh decision not to make the change in the agenda Order as proposed It's not it's not a substantive you should do it by Who who made the second, please? I did. Thank you So what are we voting on 6.10? You're just moving the order you're voting on the challenge. So an aye vote would sustain the The request to change the order of the votes and a no vote would be Stick with the mayor's order So a name vote keeps it in the same order If you vote no, it keeps it as is okay You're ready. Are we ready for voting? Yeah Is it not on your screen? I've got it on my screen, but it doesn't say that it says moving 6.10 to 6.9 I didn't say that. Oh, does it say that? No, what does it say? It says 6.10. It says we're just voting on 6.10 Oh should you 6.10 to 6.10? It's on the bottom it does all the way down Do you see it marcus or not? It says motion 6.10 to 6.9 right right, right? So it's moving that's not on my screen It says on my screen motion to move six point zero to six point Everybody see it correctly Mine just says it's uh forwarding to council with no recommendation. That's as far as I can scroll down in the little box Well, Jim, do you want to tell me your votes or do I vote nay? Okay 12 eyes four nose Motion passes So we're going to go on with 6.1 And then we'll make that change when we get to 6.10 or 9 on the agenda Item 6.1 is RC number 3 18 of 17 18 by the public works committee to whom is referred resolution number 166 of 17 18 By all the person will submitting a preliminary resolution Declaring intent to exercise police power to levy special assessments for the construction of a sidewalk on Washington avenue from south business drive To 960 feet to the west and recommends passing the resolution other person Wolf Thank you, mayor. I make a motion to accept and adopt and pass resolution second Thank you for that motion and support. Is there any discussion on the motion? Seeing none, will the clerk please call the roll for passage run 16 eyes Motion passes Item 6.2 is RC number 3 19 of 17 18 by the public works committee to whom is referred resolution number 167 of 17 18 By all the person will authorizing the appropriate city officials to enter into a contract With clunk masonry llc for the 2018 sidewalk program and the washington avenue sidewalk for 142 639 and 50 cents and recommends passing the resolution Alderperson wolf Thank you, mayor. I make a motion to accept and adopt and pass resolution second Thank you for that motion and support all the person born Thank you, mayor. I need to abstain on this vote Uh, clunk masonry is doing a project for my wife and I this summer on our driveway. So under the circumstances I don't feel comfortable voting on this contract. So i'm going to abstain. Thank you Thank you for that notice. Is there any other discussion? Seeing none will the clerk please call the roll 15 eyes one abstain Motion passes Item 6.3 is RC number 320 of 17 18 by the public works committee to whom is referred resolution number 169 of 17 18 By all the person wolf authorizing the appropriate city officials to enter into a contract with ruchert milky for site inspections Grading testing and lab work at the south point enterprise campus for 878,762 thousand dollars And recommends that the passing recommends passing the resolution all the person wolf I think mayor. I make a motion To accept and adopt and pass resolution second. Thank you for that motion and support. Is there any discussion on the motion? Hearing none will the clerk please call the roll 16 eyes motion passes Item 6.4 is RC number 321 of 17 18 by the public works committee to whom is referred resolution number 170 of 17 18 by all the person wolf Authorizing the appropriate city officials to enter into a contract with vinton construction company for the amount of 1,250,132 dollars and 35 cents ATC transmission for the amount of 157 thousand dollars and miller engineers and scientists for the amount of $4,000 for the tailor drive reconstruction and recommends passing the resolution all the person wolf Thank you. Mayor. I make a motion to accept and adopt and pass the resolution second Thank you for that motion and support. Is there any discussion on the motion? Seeing none will the clerk please call the roll 16 eyes motion passes Item 6.5 is RC number 1 322 of 17 18 by the finance and personnel committee to whom is referred resolution number 171 of 17 18 by all the persons donahue and borne providing for the sale of general obligation Promissory notes and note anticipation notes for 2018 capital projects and recommends passing the substitute resolution all the person donahue Thank you. May I move to accept adopt and pass the substitute resolution second Thank you for that motion and support. Is there any discussion on the motion? Seeing none will the clerk please call the roll 15 eyes 1 no Motion passes Item 6.6 is RC number 323 of 17 18 by the public works committee to whom is referred resolution number 172 of 17 18 by Alderperson wolf declaring the official intent to reimburse expenditures from the proceeds of borrowing and recommends passing the resolution Alderperson wolf. Thank you. May I make a motion to accept and adopt and pass the resolution? Is there a second all those is there any discussion on the motion? Seeing none Would the clerk please call the roll 16 eyes Motion passes item 6.7 is RC number 3 24 of 17 18 by finance and personnel committee to whom is referred resolution number 176 of 17 18 By Alderperson's donahue and borne authorizing the purchase of approximately 0.3 acres of land and building Located in the northern portion of 1211 north 23rd street for virtue use by the city and recommends passing the resolution Alderperson donahue. Thank you. I move to accept adopt and pass the resolution on this one I think we've had some serious changes in the documents So I think what's appropriate here is a motion to file this document because we have to clear it out at the end of the Council year And then therefore I move to file second. Thank you for that motion in support. Is there any discussion? Seeing none will the clerk please call the roll 16 eyes Motion passes Item 6.8 is RC number 3 25 of 17 18 by finance and personnel Humors referred resolution number 174 of 17 18 by Alderperson's sorenson resolving That if the common council feels to make a decision regarding the armory by april 16th of 2018 The city of shabuigan shell have a city-wide non-binding referendum to decide the future of the armory and recommends filing the document Alderperson sorenson. Thank you, mr. Mayor I I was the one that presented this resolution regarding a referendum to discuss the future of the armory for several reasons And I stated it in several meetings because I think it was back in February or March that we had our last committee the last committee the whole meeting where I first proposed this idea The the origin of this really kind of came from my frustration. I think other frustrations from council members Just kind of with the passing the hot potato passing the skunk whatever analogy you want to use regarding the the process moving forward with the armory I'm I'm happy To some extent that we are here tonight to make a decision regarding the armory. I hope we make one decision From the armory the armory and I do appreciate and want to thank chuck and his team in the city attorney's office for proposing Some of the considerations for the referendum if it would pass tonight But I do appreciate All the work that has been put in on this from council members committee members city attorneys city administrator and the mayor I'm Not entirely satisfied with the recommendation from the committee, but I I do respectfully accept it. So I just encourage that the council makes the decision tonight One way or another otherwise this may or may not be brought up in the new session Did you care to make a motion on the document? No All the person down here. Thank you. Um in light of that Really eloquent Disposition I move to accept in five second. Thank you for that motion in support Is there any discussion on the motion? Other person holds you I'm just wondering What we need if we could just move it to after Six point eleven and make a decision or is are we unable to do that? It's on the floor now I'll second that I would prefer to move it to after six point one one I make a motion to move document Six point seven to six point six point eight So it's not a motion But it's a request to the chair and then the chair will decide and then you can challenge the chair If you don't like his decision just like we did with the other one. Thank you The chair will accept the motion. We'll put this aside Thank you Next item will be uh Six point ten Art team number 327 of 1718 by the finance and personnel committee tumors referred Resolution number 175 of 1718 Be all the persons not a human born approving the terms and conditions of the redevelopment agreement between the armory community Project Inc and the city of sheboygan for a project involving Rehabilitating the municipal armory and auditorium and repurposing them into a community center and recommends forwarding to council With no recommendation All the person donahue Thank you, mayor with uh Finance and personnel were deadlocked with respect to the boat at 22 To have the matter set on for discussion before the body. I would Move to accept and adopt the resolution Second Thank you for that motion and support under discussion all the person sorenson Okay, so I just want to make a few comments. Um, since we're discussing the armory community project first um I was was a little upset and frustrated again with with the process moving along with the committee I think it was a little goofy process. Uh, that the community did not make a recommendation for either one I think it's also kind of ludicrous that 6.11 was brought forward as well So I want to express my frustration from that No offense to anyone that has brought that forward, but I do think that you know It was a third fourth maybe option that that came forward and after all the work that the rfp committee put together All the work that city staff put together. I think that was a little um A little unnecessary in my case, but anyways, I'm going to go into kind of my my stump, um and and and Call for my support for 6.10. I really think that this is a generous a genesis moment right now for the city shabuigan um back in 1940 august 19th Many many years ago before I was even born. Um The the city council The shabuigan city council approves plans to build The shabuigan armory to move forward with that and in night in april 16th 2018 It's up to us the 16 members of this council to make a decision I do want to applaud all the people that have shown their support I'm always I always get excited when they're standing room only and we got an overflow room I think it really shows and it's uh very emblematic of the dedication of the civic participation Of the citizens of shabuigan, so I want to thank everyone that has come forward whether they're for the armory or against the armory I want to thank everyone for that I think it's and I'm speaking kind of as a millennial from this perspective because there's only two of us on the council So I think someone's got to kind of talk that up a little bit So I do I do applaud the speakers that have bought forward the the opinions from the millennials um But I I do think that is important in our community that we do have a large-scale civic center that brings our community together Because I think especially in the times that we live right now in our country. It's very divided And I think that this has been a prime example of that has brought the community together If you look out in the audience if you look out the people that have spoken many different ages Um many different generations men women democrats republicans people coming together folks from the city of shabuigan From surrounding county counties. I know some older men probably have gotten emails and phone calls from uh residents around wisconsin on this and regionally So I I really think that this is a unique opportunity and doing my research as a council member Being one of the newer members on the council. Uh, I was I was watching and reading through some old discussion regarding the armory and I think it was A lot of discussion kind of Was framed around. Oh, you'd be great if we could save the armory, but we don't have a complete plan together We don't we don't have a proposal to save the armor or to utilize it. I think today. We really have a plan People have said that this one is risky and it's a gamble But all there is and other folks have said that that the same thing about the other proposal tonight So so I think shabuigan You know, we're we're gonna take we're gonna take a big leap On the on the decision that we make and I'm confident in the vote that I'll take tonight because There is only one armory. This armory was a wpa project. I think that there is a historical significance to this I think, you know as americans, you know, we need to embrace our culture and our Historical buildings because it is part of who we are. It is part of the fabric of our community I was doing some research too before And I think it's very interesting just kind of the events and people that have walked through the armory And I'd like to see kind of that but in the 21st century Um process Just listening through some of the the events and people that have spoken and came through the armory Alice cooper performed there. My dad was at that concert Someone uh, someone named johnny cash spoke there Bob hope r. Yo speed wagon The harlem goat globe prodders armors and day celebrations. There were several large ua w meetings from both both kohler and volrath Some folks remember, uh, when we had an mba team, uh, the shabuigan redskinned games Jehovah witness conventions the u.s. Marine bands dog shows wrestling events battles of the band and of course polka festivals There's also been a lot of notable civic leaders that have walked through the armory President john f kennedy spoke there vice president hubert humphrey jesse jackson George wallace And as well as senator william proxmire held several get out to vote events Those were just some of the notable names that stuck out to me. There's plenty of lists Dating other older people that I wasn't quite familiar with And of course can't forget the south north games that were played at the at the shabuigan armory a neutral ground that brought the city together And I think that we have this great opportunity To to bring our community together I have no ill will against scott crawford and their group plan put together I do think shabuigan needs more apartments more housing diversified the housing stock But there are other lands. There's other lands out there. There's only one armory So i'm i'm voting in favor of the the armory community project Thank you for those comments all their person donna here Well, I rise to uh to defend the finance and personnel committee the reason there was no recommendation for either proposal is to voted for and to voted again So decisions were made and that was the From your millennial perspective. I just wanted to make sure that you understood that oh, I do that people did make decisions and that was the outcome And since i'm standing up In a way, I wish this were the armory proposal were a bad one like other ones that we've had in the past It's not I have complimented Quite sincerely that people who have been involved in dain talking about how much time he has spent I it's clear that a huge amount of time has been spent on this proposal It's been a really hard decision for me. Um, I have rejected, um, the Fairly nasty approach that we had to the scott proffered company Um, I think it's a viable project I just don't like it and um, I think that the company is fully capable of carrying it out But um, I don't have any concerns in that respect and it's crystal clear to me that if we're going to fill 3000 jobs in this city and in this county and in this region, we're going to need more housing I mean, there's just no question about it so But I can't dismiss the armory project out of hand because it is well documented well thought out I think that there is a possibility that a good possibility that the money will be raised to make the renovations um And I think that is all well and good Looking over the proposal Um, I I just have to say that the business plan is exceedingly optimistic Astonishingly optimistic There is a large profit Forecast for the end of the first year in a vastly undercapitalized project. So It's one thing to you know, build the stage for the show and then another thing to make the show a success That being said There is a lot of energy and the folks in this room who are applauding and clapping and are so energetic You will need to step up Because this project is going to need an enormous amount of support from this community And and not only in having a broth fry here and there or craft show or whatever But you you will need to devote your time And your talents to this and also your treasure This has got to be a community call to sheboygan to open up their pocketbooks Because it's going to cost a lot of money for a long time in order to make this project work That being said, I think it could happen My concern is what happens to the city if it doesn't and I think that needs to be really clear in our minds as Alders because that is our primary responsibility I am pretty convinced That other than the fact that we will continue to gnash our teeth and tear out our hair about the project that should it fail I think the city Does not have much to lose You know, if the project doesn't if the business plan doesn't work There may be another entity that comes in and operates. That was certainly the model of blue harbor. We're on our third Owners and operators there Um, we will need to protect parking for that neighborhood The parking plan again is extremely optimistic and is really I think as a city we're going to be needing to deal with protecting the parking places For all of those people in those neighborhoods Who have no other place to park and for If we have the number of events that they're talking about they're going to be many times when those folks don't have a place to park Um, I think eventually we can get the the property back. We'll get a dollar for it From the armory project. We've already spent substantial amount of money in terms of asbestos and and and lead remediation But we would have had to do that anyway So as I balance it out, um I do wish the armory project and the citizens of sheboygan who are in favor of it. Many are not but many are Just like the finance committee, you know It's not that we don't have a recommendation. That's just we have different opinions about it So i'm going to vote for the armory project because I think that hopefully there is enough energy and enough money to make this work and if it doesn't I think the harm to the city is going to be quite small and therefore i'm i'm i'm comfortable going ahead and voting for it Thank you for those comments all the person drawn Thank you, mr. Mayor I've been on the fence with this entire process from the beginning primarily because I wanted to keep an open mind um Many things that we've learned through this process and I think that the armory group has really answered The questions that were on the table before them A couple of the big questions that I have Have been answered First of all structurally the building itself. Is it safe? Is it actually something we can actually use? And uh, I I did have a chance to speak with reid schmitt and I know that steve schmitt Has taken a tour and gone through that building and this is a wpa project and and it is built very very I'm not going to use the phrase, but it's built very well And I I started to realize that most of the things that I own tend to be things that are repurposed in some Former fashion. I have a very old house from the 1800s. I have a very old truck from I won't say one I have an old motorcycle. I have an old Business that I purchased and I like fixing things up and in Bringing new life to them and I see that process the potential in the armory And it is not a disservice or anything against scott crawford In in his group. I think they've done an excellent job under any other circumstances a fantastic opportunity But I also think that the armory project is is something that can help us reconnect Uh with our past and also move things to the future And the last thing that I'll say is the financial aspect was the one thing that was really holding me up More on the operational side not getting the initial funding I know how much it costs to run a business and I know that every time you think you're going to spend 3000 bucks or spending 6000 that's just how it goes A thousand a hundred thousand to me didn't seem like enough to make this happen for a year I was a little concerned about that however I've spoken to people that I trust On their word. I know you can't take that to the bank There will be people that will be coming forward with finance with support With the passion that this community is often seen behind things of this nature It's been so political and so difficult for people to put their name into the hat I understand that and I wouldn't blame anybody for for holding back until they know what's happening So I'll be voting in favor of this and I do want to thank everybody who's put all the time and the work in the effort And this including the citizens and it's awesome to see how many people have become engaged And and process wise getting into what we're doing. We need more of that from our community Thank you for those comments. Alderperson nelson Thank you, mayor Fortunately, uh, Alder donny who has uh expressed most of the thoughts that uh, I had concerning The armory but in a far more eloquent manner than I probably would have and so I uh, that's all I have to say at this point Thank you. Uh, next is alderperson trester I too need to speak for the people of shambuagon and say we need to keep this armory But there's also another aspect to this The armory project people are young People and they represent the youth of our city And perhaps giving them the opportunity to be entrepreneurs and to get this thing Running and bringing the city together the young and the old together I find it exciting. I had find it invigorating And I think it's going to Give a shot in the arm to other young Entrepreneurs in our city to come forward and take that step to start businesses here And to all the people that called me on the phone and said save the armory God bless you and thank you for stepping up And giving us a shot in the arm so that we know how to vote for you Thank you for those comments alderperson wolf Thank you, mayor This has been like many most recent projects that we've had going on Very difficult for for all of us to to to look at review and digest And I applaud everybody that's been working on this project for the armory It's amazing what has been done in such a short period of time We've talked about giving more time. We've talked about You know More data more points to look at things the business plan Although like myself like mary lin had said earlier I'm very concerned about a lot of the details devils in the details And unfortunately dain you you did a you did a great job expressing your exposure to The small business group It's true. You know the the entrepreneur Um, their biggest asset is what it's it's the vision. It's the it's the knowledge It's it's the it's the drive and desire of a project So what we see tonight is a perfect example of What we need to see moving forward if this project Is going to have the passion and success Then we need this all to continue and like mary lin had said before You guys are just starting you're rolling up your sleeves today You're going to get 30 tomorrow. You've got to keep pushing and pressing And if that's what the community wants then that's what we want as a council in my opinion Because what what is successful is what the community wants and believes in now I have said since the beginning that i'm on the fence I will say that again Why am I on the fence because I look at what's best for the city what's best for For us to prosper not just today but in the future And those are difficult decisions and that's why you vote Um, this group in position is to make those hard decisions so that we don't have to do a referendum But the thing is that we continue to hear it either for or against and it's very difficult because I pride myself on every phone call that I get Keeping a tally because that's what i'm i'm here for And it's been very very difficult You have so many people that are emotionally connected You have so many people that um hear about things and they just you know They go with the flow and then you have those that are just they don't want they don't really care about the details Just get something done Keep her moving So, you know the thing that we have to worry about here is what's best for the city and what's best for the city Even though I don't necessarily agree with the numbers and I you know, I hope to see you guys successful We really have to see this drive and desire that you have today And that you've had for the last Months six months. I've seen more activity in these few months than we have in years with all the other projects We haven't seen that drive that desire So the only way this is going to be successful and that's why we have I believe a you know Certain pieces in place like maryland had said so that you know, the only thing we're really going to lose is time um I hope that you guys are successful and I I you know, if this is what you guys want Then that's that's the direction that we're going to have to look at so. Thank you Thank you for those comments alderperson limandowski Yes, I'm in support of saving the armory And I think that this is a good idea to Fix up the armory and turn it into a community center again And I think that if we don't do it Sheboygan's going to need to build a community center in a few years and start from scratch And it's going to cost a lot more money to the people of sheboygan And I'm glad to see that so many people of sheboygan are behind this project And I think it's going to be a good project and successful Thank you for those comments Well, the lights are all out Alderperson boran Thank you mayor I'm one of the numbers guys on the council Serving on the vice chair of the finance and personnel committee and The thing that I like about the crawford project is that of the three three hundred and sixty thousand dollars that eventually the city is going to receive And I want to equate that Into what that means for for employees for the city of sheboygan Uh With that three hundred and sixty thousand dollars that we're Eventually going to get that would fund five firefighter paramedics a new firefighter paramedic in the city of sheboygan cost seventy three thousand dollars And uh that that assumes a family health plan That three hundred and sixty thousand dollars would also fund five police officers at seventy thousand dollars each assuming a family medical plan That would also fund seven dpw workers at fifty thousand dollars each assuming a family medical plan Our it director at at recent finance meetings has made a very very good case For uh hiring two or three more people In the it department That three hundred and sixty thousand dollars would certainly fund two and possibly three depending on the skill level Uh Every time we give our city employees a cost of living increase Of two percent That adds and I might add that those are Merit based increases not everybody gets them and the employees that get those raises certainly deserve them But every time we give a two percent increase in pay to our employees that adds five hundred thousand dollars to our budget every year Many of you may not be aware that state government has frozen our ability to levy property taxes except for growth for many years So my question is Where is this money going to come from if we need more firefighter paramedics? We have a study going on right now of the fire department That may come through asking us to hire more firefighter paramedics or other positions in the fire department We have a heroin and opioid crisis in sheboygan right now We may need to hire more police officers the ones we're doing the ones that we have now are very very thin Our dpw workers we used to have 200 employees in the department of public works Now we have about a hundred Dave biebel and his staff are magicians for the amount of work that they had for the amount of work that they get done They could use more employees So, uh, I'm going to I'm going to vote no on the armory project And it's mainly it's mainly dollars and cents for me I think we need the 360 thousand dollars and an additional property tax revenue And we have to we have to be able to fund Positions in the city that may come forward and this additional property tax revenue Will go a long way to funding those employees And I know uh, some of these departments are near and dear to many of these older persons And we understand the work that they're doing with very limited personnel And if we need more where are the dollars going to come from? Thank you Thank you for those comments all the persons right in flesh Thank you I will be voting for the armory proposal as I did in the finance committee meeting. Um However, if we pass this probably the crawford issue won't be won't be discussed any longer And I did want to point out that I a lot of the things that jim mentioned Crawford pipe project could be done in another location We can't do the armory in another location Which is kind of what convinced me that we need to go forward on the on the armory Proposal besides all the good things of mary linson that they have been the all the questions I had been answered I am familiar with downtown living my son and I rent a house rent an apartment in downtown lacrosse Development called bell square. It's located right downtown It tracks all sorts of millennials and also tracks a number of baby boomers Who are retiring and allowing to live at some place, you know close to uh To the downtown where there is activity where they don't have to drive every place And someplace there's a little bit room for grandchildren who want to come visit The armory isn't exactly downtown. It's a little bit of a ways and up the hill for a lot of people my generation at least I think Some spot for the Crawford proposal closer to 8th street Maybe overlooking, you know something another would be it would be a good location or other locations so we can do that That project can be on I like that what they came through they got a good the good a good team of people put together in a Crawford proposal So I hope even I'm voting for the armory proposal because I think it's necessary Crawford doesn't give up on shabuigan and maybe it comes back with something else Thank you for those comments I'd like to ask all the our administrator daryl hoflin to leave us with some comments He had to lead the negotiations with both of the groups for the armory proposal daryl floors yours. Thank you, mayor My recommendation as the city administrators for the common council to approve agenda item 6.9 The sale of the armory land to scott crawford for the development of apartment complex this proposal What's your point? My point is it's the All the person's choice to make tonight not to be swayed by the city Or the mayor at the time of the council meeting No, I'm sorry. It's the mayor who doesn't interject comments in in the council meeting. It's okay for staff to be recognized City attorney Mr. Offlin by ordinance does have access to the floor With that, would you please proceed So I recommend approval of the sale the armory land to scott crawford for the development of apartment complex This proposal checks off many critical boxes for the community One check is the development of 122 units The community is in desperate need of additional housing Not only for existing residents including residents looking to downsize or remain in the community But also a new workforce that local businesses are trying to attract This need is documented in a recent study as reported by the scdc and confirmed by baker tilley Another check is its compatibility of land use It's surrounded on the north and south by other multifamily developments The attraction for many of its future residents will of course be the close proximity to lake michigan Another check is the development of a significant taxable value the scott crawford development is projected to pay almost 360 000 in annual property taxes. This is a significant contribution not only to the city, but the other local taxing jurisdictions Through the use of the tids the city will be able to leverage these taxes to pay for other projects Including the adjacent Terminus of pennsylvania avenue at lake michigan The city has already invested tens of millions of dollars in this section of shabuigan Nearby public investment is evident in the marina deland park The river walk other open spaces the dredging of the shabuigan river Redevelopment of south pier and the downtown This investment by the city is now attracting a 24 million dollar project on this redevelopment site Another check is the economic impact of this project to the downtown area The nearby downtown continues its revival, but its economic health is fragile not unlike many hundred year old downtown Areas the additional customer base provided by the apartment option will increase the chances that downtown will flourish both short and long term potentially 298 residents Consistent with The last census for the scott crawford development will be spending money day in and day out in the adjacent downtown riverfront and south pier areas Another check of this proposal is its affordable housing component with affordable units renting For 750 to 875 dollars for one and two bedroom apartments respectively This new housing development will be Will be attractive to workforce of many of the local community businesses It'll be up to the common council to determine their comfort with the soundness of the information that has been presented by the two finalists scott crawford proposal was really relatively easy to develop Based upon similar apartment projects. It's easy to calculate new construction costs Easy to calculate cost to operate easy to calculate availability of tax credits and easy to calculate how much Banks or investors are willing to commit The team that scott crawford put together has included a seasoned architect and angbert anderson financial partner at Scenare and construction managers at green fire management services Who have a long list of successful development and management of projects The scott crawford proposal also contains a financial letter of interest from tcf bank As a city administrator my advice is often based upon the likelihood of success and the need to minimize risk Not only is the scott crawford proposal sound, but it checks a lot of boxes that are important to our community Thank you Thank you for those comments moving on all their person trester I think it's been said at least more than once tonight that scott crawford could build in other locations in the city And not necessarily on the armory site We have one armory one opportunity to do this And I say we give them the opportunity and I will not vote for crawford. I will vote for the armory Thank you for that comment. Is there any other uh discussion? See you now will the clerk please call the roll for passage I don't have it on my screen again marith. You don't okay. I didn't come up again Yeah, me me All right, technical difficulties tonight 13 eyes three nose motion passes Next we'll move on to item 6.9 rc number 326 of 1718 by financed personnel the city attorney has reminded me that uh 6.9 is now moot and uh, so I'd accept a recommendation Or a motion to file Second We have all their person donahue. Who is the second? All right in flesh Okay, is there any discussion on that motion? Seeing none all those in favor, please signify by saying aye. Aye opposed. Hey We're gonna have to vote then City clerk will set it up for you the motion to file. Yep Motion to file 6.9 May 15 eyes one no A motion to file passes Next we're moving on to item 6.8, which is rc number 325 This is the finance and personnel committee to miss referred resolution 174 of 1718 by all the person sarnson Resolving that if the common council fails to make a decision regarding the armory by april 16th The city shall have a city-wide non-binding referendum And recommends filing a document all the person donahue Second thank you for that motion and support is there any discussion on that motion Seeing none Would you please call the roll 16 eyes Motion passes Item 6.11 is rc number 328 of 1718 by Finance and personnel committee who's referred resolution number 173 of 1718 by all the persons donahue and will authorizing the demolition of the shabuagan armory A provision to return the site to its Priority to a green space and allowance for further development opportunities. They may present themselves in the future This was originally recommending passing the resolution all the person donahue again in light of The vote on 6.10. I believe this is moved and I moved to file Second thank you for that motion and who had the second All the person sarnson Is there any other discussion Seeing none will the clerk call the roll 16 eyes motion passes Item 6.12 through 6.15 will be referred to different committees of the new council under other matters city attorney 7.1 is an ro by the city clerk submitting various license applications for the period ending june 30 2018 december 31 2018 in june 30 2019 That'll be referred to the licensing and hearings and public safety committee of the new council Next we have a contemplated closed session all the person wolf Thank you, mayor. I make a motion to convene in closed session under the exemption provided in section 19.85 sub 1 sub e Wisconsin competitive bargaining reasons required a closure closed session regarding redevelopment of the badger state tannery 1031 mainland avenue For possible sale of land in the shabuigan business center and development opportunity in the south point enterprise campus second Thank you for that motion in support Is there any discussion The clerk call the roll for closed session Ryan did you vote did you vote? Did you vote? Okay, what do you vote please what? Nay, okay 15 areas 1 no Okay, we'll be taking a five-minute recess and then reconvening at uh 805 in closed session This will end our broadcast on community cable for today. Thank you very much