 All right, just for the people on zoom who didn't hear me because I didn't use the mic before the last thing I said was that we want to live in a world where there's side data. But you know that won't need to be illegal because all of the data will be fair anyway. So, but yeah, no, I think that this was a fantastic panel to wrap up a fantastic day and a half session and my sort of biggest goal. From this point onward is to try to spread the word about what was talked about here. I think, you know, every time I come to a workshop on this topic, I wish that there were 10 times as many people there. Because, you know, the most important thing is, you know, I deal with this where, especially in the data space, but I think, you know, it's really true in the publishing space to that people will say, oh, you know, that won't work in my field or that won't work for me or I can't figure out how to do that. And what you see when you come to a workshop like this is that there are a lot of people who have fought very deeply about these issues and are proposing all kinds of solutions that that probably will work. And I think the most important thing is that we just keep communicating with each other and sharing good ideas and, you know, helping each other figure out, you know, how to move forward. And, you know, I don't want to tell people not to complain I complain, you know, it's fair to say that, you know, this is a problem it's fair to recognize problem. But I think it's also very important to recognize the people who are proposing constructive solutions to that problem. And I think we heard a lot of people like that in the last day and a half. And so, I'm just very excited about how this all went. Thanks. Just thinking, going forward in addition to the awareness that you mentioned Jake I think another thing we wanted to pose to the room and zoom can drop a chat to is a lot to unpack here right I mean what about these industry academic partnerships and and how to carry a lot of that energy forward. What about, you know, skills development in more digital, you know, areas so that we are all data scientists in our emerging lives. What about these areas what areas. Could we do further events on do we need more workshops to kind of dig into any of the we kind of skim the skin the surface on a lot of topics. So what about following the money and monitoring and coordinating decision making around the models that we're trying to develop to support the very real costs and needs and both infrastructure and services. What topics resonate with you what would you like to do next. I can come up with a list but I'd rather hear yours. I'm the chemical sciences around table folks. So the next workshop series I think the next topic focus that Linda mentioned earlier was on the artificial intelligence and that's of course extraordinarily timely and so much potential there. And I think it really builds really well and a lot of what we are talking about about open scholarship and data access. There are a lot of other issues around enabling that data to be used in AI what more do we need to know to help your AI case go forward thank you party. So first I just want to thank you Leah and also Jake and Bob and the whole team is just a fantastic day and a half, and a lot of thought went into picking I think people who could stir the pot and really get a great conversation going okay so thank you so much. To answer your question. I think one of the great things about CSR we try to get the whole team together and brainstorm around these questions and I know right after this we have our business meeting we're looking forward to doing exactly that. So I definitely don't want to speak okay for the team, but we will definitely follow up and try to think about how what happened over the last day and a half could impact lots of great ideas moving forward. I'll just speak for myself and say that one of the things that I get most excited about after the last day and a half is kind of where my last question was, you start to imagine a world that's different and better, more exciting and more empowered. If lots of the things that we talked about last day and a half come to fruition in a way that is constructive that is enabling. I think that's where things could potentially be really exciting like I'm a big fan of, you know, thinking about where you really want to get to what question do you want to answer what problem do you want to solve. How do you want to make the world a different better place, and then work backward from there. So when we think about open access. I would encourage us all to do exactly that, like imagine a world where X is possible. We want to achieve all the open access and powers us to do. Now let's work backward from that envisioned much better world and figure out how to make sure open access delivers on that objective. So that's something I think we could all think about, like how do you imagine the world a better, healthier safer, right, more equitable place in the future. And now how does that open access help us achieve those objectives that's all I would try to think about. I think the visionary vision leads to leadership. So thank you, Marty. So what I've been hearing quite a bit about is we need a new business model we need a lot of creativity and thinking about a business model for how this will work. And certainly if you look at other fields like the open source software model. And this is brought up in the panel, they figured out a business model to make it such that the people got recognized for for their input, and that they would be able to share under those circumstances. And I think that our model is different with chemistry because we're working with tangible physical objects as well as just software. And I think we need to as a community really think creatively, but how do we set up a system of rewards and a social structure, whereby creativity can be can flourish and it's a much more equitable system than we have currently. So I think that's where we need to really think creatively as a community. How do we set up a completely new business or social model to be able to harness all the creative energy that we have in this community. Thank you for calling out the social aspects. So just two items real quick. One to echo the sentiment about AI. I should also point out that the national research resources currently being set up by the NSF. And they're in fact seeking input from domain researchers in terms of what resources are needed. What sorts of problems are wanting to be explored. I think you just Google Nair survey. That'll be, you can access that in there. I don't want to say desperately there, but they're very interested in obtaining your opinion on that so they look forward to that engagement. And then I get another self serving comment or whatever that one domain that might be fruitful here and to echo a question I asked yesterday is standards, both in terms of ontologies. Metadata structures, metadata structures that looking perhaps outside of chemistry and other exemplars to see what challenges they encountered, what best practices are out there. And what sorts of workflows are enabled once we have really good standards because it's really that value that it's incurred by that that I think motivates a lot of these efforts. Excellent. Thank you. Value proposition use cases. Other adjacent fields. Thank you. Very practical question. The spirit of taking these forward and spreading the word are the slides or recordings going to be made available. Linda question. Yes, apologies for those in person are recording the recording of this workshop as well as the presentation slides and a summary of the workshop so the 12 page summary highlighting the discussions here. We'll all be posted on our event page website. I can email it to you all and I think enough follow up email to all registrants will have that link as well. I think I checked with Eric but had to this is something that we could share broadly in our communities as well. Yeah. Once it becomes available. One more thought to add because AI was brought up and I think it's such an exciting interface that I want to amplify one point. Again, there are 8 billion. 8 billion imaginations in the world today. Arguably our greatest natural resource on the planet. And it's what AI can't yet do. People are trying but it's still something super special about human imagination potential. And of course it comes from everywhere. So we find a way where everyone can participate. All of a sudden you're tapping into 8 billion imaginations across the planet. It's always fascinating to me that still it's true that AI plus a chess master can still beat AI. There's a lot of discussion around why that's true but it's really interesting if you really try to think about why is that true. And I think for at least a couple hundred years is probably going to be true. So this human machine interface is going to be super interesting. And we also of course from history understand talent and brilliance that comes from everywhere. So if we can figure out how to get open access right and tap into that 8 billion imaginations from a problem solving perspective. It's very exciting to think about how AI becomes a partner in concert with an open access world to achieve some pretty extraordinary things. Partnerships excellent emphasis humans and machines, as well as many different stakeholder groups thank you for that. There's also been a suggestion on zoom so I'd like to read this out. This colleague says I would be interested in more discussion about impact of increased public access to federally funded research on repositories being used for training of LLMs. positives negatives around attribution commercial reuse and source acknowledgement and implications in the trust and science. So another really meaty topic. Very good question. Yeah, excellent. Yeah, no, I'm just echoing but it's a very good question. I mean, you know, this is sort of the I, you know, I share Marty's optimism but there's a pessimistic sort of, you know, Skynet becoming self aware take to that old vision of the future where, you know, it gets access to guides to make various nefarious substances what have you and then dooms us all. And, you know, I, I confess that generally when I hear people talk about that I have a little bit of trouble taking it seriously and I think oh you know right now we have so many checks in place and and you know, nothing is stopping a human being from doing that. But, you know, again, I it that I think is the challenge I mean I think the challenge is that, you know, and it's a challenge in science writ large. Right, we have to assume that the vast majority of people working in the space are working in good faith. And I, you know, my whole experience in the business is still that that's true. You know, I would say the great majority of the people are indeed working in good faith there's a small handful of them that are. And, you know, how we build in checks to make sure that, you know, there, there are problems introduced that, you know, the dangers of dangerous materials and dangerous protocols are well bounded and well constrained. And that we're careful about, you know, the introduction of of misinformation or false information. You know, that's the other thing that, you know, I think is true in general about, you know, open data. And, you know, I think was what was so good about, you know, Shannon's talk right is, you know, it's still helpful for human beings to be looking at that data to be you know, verifying that it actually is at least to to a great extent what they're claiming it is. And, and so, you know, I think there's, there's an exciting future ahead but but you know we we need to be prudent at the same time. Thank you for that summary Jake and all the vision in this group. So this is the gift that OSTP has brought us with this memo of this opportunity to think and come together as a domain and and think about our future together and opportunities and how we work together to make that happen. And so, I want to, you know, to me that's the value add OSTP memo is hard to understand what what's that you know but I think we've, I think we've moved ourselves forward on that conversation so thank you everyone for the last couple days. I really also want to thank the National Academy for enabling us to have this conversation. This is such a great resource they bring together so many connections across some science and research and innovation in the United States and thank you very much for the opportunity to to participate in this event and I look forward to hearing what comes out of this chemical sciences roundtable and other activities. And I think lunch is waiting any last words Linda. Leah, I wanted to thank you all participants, speakers, panelists, and the overall chemistry community for chiming in your input has been heard, and I hope you all continue to dialogue and whatever capacity you choose. And also thank you so much for the chemical sciences roundtable members. It was really their idea. Last year when they saw that this was an issue that was going to continue to percolate and impact chemistry community and they said hey, CSR should really do something and bring a lot of people together to talk about this and so again I want to go back to the CSR members for really keeping their eye out on the issues ahead and thank you so much. And I think just you know special thanks to Rob who unfortunately due to a family emergency had to miss the lion share of the meeting but he was really instrumental in helping plan this entire thing and we all benefited a great deal from his assiduous work. Thank you Nessie.