 You're welcome back. It's still the run-up and the federal government yesterday denounced insinuations by Kaduna state governor Malam El-Rusair Rufairadda that some fifth columnist in the State House, Abuja, were working to frustrate the victory of all Progressive Congress APC presidential candidate Bola Tinobu in the February 25, 2023 presidential election, adding that the president has consistently demonstrated his commitment to free, fair and credible elections. The Minister of Information and Culture, Lai Mohammed, while reacting to the allegation said the government was unaware of anyone within the presidential villa working against any candidate in the next month or this month's presidential poll. They're inviting in the APC, their fifth columnist really as alleged by El-Rufair. Well, we have to discuss with us two chief tens of the all Progressive Congress. First of all, we have Barista Felix Mokka, national publicity secretary of the all Progressive Congress APC. Barista Mokka, welcome to the program. Thank you. Thanks for having me. We also have Bio Adedosu, member of the Stakeholders Relations Directorate of the PCC of APC and Assistant Director of Diaspora Mobilization and Allied Matters of the Oyo State APC Campaign Council. Welcome to the program, Mr. Adedosu. Thank you very much. Thanks for having me. Let me just begin with you. Just explain to us what is your portfolio is, stakeholders relations directorate so that people who are watching us now will understand better because we've seen people riding bikes and driving cars that is written there broader to the chapter chairman of the party. So just get to explain to us what this portfolio of stakeholders relations directorate is. Well, thank you very much for that for asking the question for clarification. But before I proceed, let me give due respect to my brother, my uncle and my boss Barista Felix Mokka who is a top chieftain. If you are calling anybody a chieftain, he's the one that is asked to be called a chieftain. I'm just his errand boy. So I'm here to just give support to whatever is here to do today. I'm talking about the stakeholder relations. The stakeholder relations is actually one of the directorates in APC Campaign Council. And we have as its director, Malamu Horibadu and the honorary minister for Utah Sports, Chief Sunday Dari, as the deputy director. So I'm just a member of the stakeholder relations. And as we know, every nine gen is a stakeholder in the scheme of things in the quality of the country. And as such, they need to be reached out to just like our principal Ashwajibola Metin, who has been meeting with different stakeholder groups. That is the essence of having the stakeholder relations for us to be the forerunner to reach out to these people to let them know there's a need for them to come on board. There's a need for them to hear directly from our candidates. And we do the work ahead for our stakeholder because we need to identify all the different stakeholder groups. As you are, you are a stakeholder part from the fact that you're in the media. You have a voice. You need to be heard. You have concerns. And that is why you see the different town hall meetings going on. That is what it's all about. That is how we identify the stakeholders. And Ashwajibola Metin will meet with them. And I believe my order can lead credence to that. Thank you. Okay. That means we have a high chief and a lower chief. We all just know that you have strong footing in the APC. So, well, before the program, we were discussing with someone and the person seemed a little bit confused with all the explanations that the person didn't know. So now, stakeholders' relations is interaction with those people who are stakeholders or that you see as stakeholders. We understand now. And I hope whoever else was confused understands. Because you cannot take anything for granted these days. Words or meanings are in people, not in words, as my lecturer used to say. Okay. Let me come to you, Barista Moka. The real issue we're discussing here is the fact that there seem to be some cracks within the APC. First of all, the presidential candidate of the APC said the redesign of the Naira and the fuel scarcity were targeted at him. Now, the governor of Kaduna State, Malam Nasir El Rufai, said that there are people in the presidency that are working against the presidency of Ahmed Bola Tinubu. But the presidency itself, you know, through the mouthpiece of the presidency, that is Lae Mohamed, the minister for provincial and culture, has said that, no, there is nobody who is working against the presidency of Bola Ahmed Tinubu. We seem to be confused from the same party, speaking from two different sides of the mouth, as it were, as Africans will put it. Explain to us what is really going on in the APC. Are there fifth columnists or are there no fifth columnists before we address other issues? Well, thank you so much for having me. And I'm good to see you, my brother, Mr. Adidosa. There is no conflict going on in our party. Now, what you're seeing unfolding is a normal part of the political season, you know, and it's not just in our party, it's in all the parties, and it's in all political parties in here and everywhere in the world. Now, when elections are upon us as we are, we are bound to have people speaking out, people within the party and people outside the party. Now, don't forget that in government, the government is not populated exclusively by members or category members of the party. You know, within government, you have civil servants, you have individuals who are appointees and who are appointed sometimes in their own personal rights, based on their expertise or based on, you know, the preferences of their pointer. So when people speak about some individuals who may be acting outside of the narrative or the script or the objectives of the party, they're not necessarily speaking about members of the party who are acting against the interests of the party. Sometimes, you know, individuals have their own preferences, they have their own biases and their own interests, and they take action and use their platforms and their opportunities or their powers to try to advance other conflicting objectives. Now, having said that, I think that the comments by, you know, our candidates, as what you all are mentioning, are perfectly consistent with this role and with his own understanding of what it needs to be. Now, don't forget that we, this is about eight years of the administration of Mr. President and we haven't had anything close to what we're having right now when it comes to fiascacity. Now, fiascacity was the order of the day under the PDP before 2015. Now, any Nigerian who has been in this country will attest to the fact that we have not had any sort of protracted scarcity of petroleum products in this country. This government has been, you know, very diligent and efficient in ensuring that we have consistent supply of petroleum products. So what we're seeing right now is out of the ordinary, it's out of character with what this government has done. So if our candidates, out of concern, genuine concern for Nigerians, for their welfare, for their economic well-being and prosperity is saying that all of those who have responsibility to ensure that petroleum products are made available as quickly as possible to end this scarcity. Now, that is what I expect a leader to do. What I expect an individual who has offered himself to serve in the highest office of the land to do. So he's doing exactly what I expect of him and that's why some of us, you know, have full confidence in his vision and his capacity to lead this country. Same with the comments on the scarcity of money. Now, I don't think our candidate is at all suggesting that he's opposed, necessarily, to the policy to redesign our currency. What he's saying is that it should be done efficiently and it's urging the CBN and all of the other actors involved to ensure that as they have made this policy, they should implement it in a way that is efficient, that is quick and effective and does not bring any sort of, you know, untold hatch to our people. Again, that is what I expect from a man who is aspiring to lead Nigeria's, you know, the most populous country on our continent. Well, it's interesting because let me borrow the words of James Hadley Chase. You hold the four aces. APC holds the four aces. Everything about what is happening here is in the hands of the APC. Naira redesigned the fuel scarcity and all that. You just said the PDP in their time, it was the order of the day. And I don't want to believe that PDP has infiltrated the APC and taught them what to do or are taking over to do what they used to do in their time if that is what you're insinuating. But how come if there's a problem within the administration of APC, a chieftain of the APC will not pull the ropes behind, will come in front of everybody in publicly and say that this thing is targeted at him? In my opening, I said that someone used to say, and I like that quotation all the time, I use it, that words, meanings are in people, not in words. So people are prone to interpreting whatever is being said and that's why we need to be careful what we say so that the misinterpretation would be as little as possible. Now he is saying this. Does it now mean that he is accusing people of his party because if he has to bring a solution to it, it's not to come to tell us that this is what is happening, but he has said it already. How would you explain to the common man that it was not a cry for help that look at these people that are trying to sabotage my election, that are trying to sabotage my ambition, explain to us the common men who are not part of the APC that need to understand? There's no difficulty with the comments made by Asuaju Bola-Metinubu regarding Fios Kassiti. Yes, Asuaju is a member of APC. He's the flag bearer of our party for the office of president in the next election. And the president of the federal republic is the leader of our party. Now Asuaju Bola-Metinubu is not in government. He's an individual. He's a party man, he's a party leader, he's a candidate, but he is not in government. He does not have the instruments of governance and he is campaigning to our people, to the electorate, saying to them, please vote me at the next election. But he's also keenly aware of the existential challenges that our people are facing with respect to the Fios Kassiti. And don't forget what I said earlier. This has been out of character with what has gone on in the life of this administration. Now I think that to equate everything between the party and the government, I think there's a subtle difference that I'd like to emphasize, which is that, yes, the party, we are the party in power and the president is the leader of our party, of the government. But my point is that the government itself, the totality of government, is broader than the party because you have people within the government who have all kinds of loyalties as well, who have their own individual preferences, who will vote as the choose individuals who have just one vote, will exercise their franchise the way they choose. All I'm saying is that what our presidential candidate did is that he had the courage to come out, to say to the government and to everyone, I do not like what is going on. I think that this needs to be tackled expeditiously. I think it's actually a sign of utmost maturity. He's showing leadership and maturity at its best and the courage to speak to the government of which he's a member of the ruling party. To say, look, you know what, whatever is going on, you need to quickly tackle this problem and bring relief to our people, especially given that we're faced with an election and he has an interest in the election. So, you know what, I don't see any conflict at all in the coming to me. Okay. I understand where you're coming from, but it still sounds to some of us a couple coming to the social media to tell themselves good morning, that they could have said inside the bedroom or to quarrel on social media something that could have ironed out in the bedroom. But let me go to Mr. Adedosu. Let's try to take these issues around the candidate and the APC one after the other. For instance, it was said that during this campaign the president will go with the presidential candidate of the APC to about 20 states. So far, we've not seen him go up to 10 states and some people are beginning to say, it may not be true, but they're beginning to say that he may not actually be in 100% support of the presidential candidate of the APC. A lot of people are seeing the president, Muhammad Abuhaire, as someone who at the 11th hour is trying to leave a legacy of a free and fair election and that might include also burning his own political candidate in his party. What is your reaction to that? Thank you very much. The first thing I'll say is there's a lot of media misrepresentation going on and I see there's a combatment of media as a bandit if I can use that word. Trying to insinuate, trying to bring to life what does not exist. Trying to give life to what is not in place. We need to be mindful, we need to be very mindful of that. A lot of things have been said, have been interpreted wrongly and that is not helping anybody. The media should understand its role in the country, particularly in a political situation like this when we are close to an election. Let me first say that when we are talking about electionary campaign, the President has the duty and responsibility to run the country. That is his primary assignment. And I'm very much aware that there are still many campaign activities, campaign events planned. Why are we so focused on how many campaign trips the President will undertake with our candidates? Is that the substance of the election? It is not the substance. Let us look, focus on the substance. If at the end of the day the President is only able to do 10, let us give him the credit that is due to him because his primary role is to steer the affairs of this country. It is the same media that will turn around to say the President has advocated his roles as it relates to governance that is going about campaigning and you are going to accuse him of insensitivity to the plight of Niger even at this point in time he goes around campaigning. That is the misrepresentation I'm talking about. That is the misinformation I'm talking about. The media tries to look for something like my brother will say, is a lawyer, they will say you cannot put something on top of nothing. You are trying to put something on top of nothing and a lot of the confusion we have out there today is due to the roles the media is playing today. The media can do better but at the end of the day it is like you are trying to bring two parties to war when there is no conflict. For you to be in a war there must be a conflict and there is no conflict in APC so then don't let us misinterpret the President has not done this much the President has not done that much in 2019 how many states did article V state as the presidential candidate? How many states? It did not go around 36 states of the federation yet Wari went round. Right now if it is our candidates Ashwajbuna met in Nogu that is not meeting up with his campaign commitment that is where you have issues and we have government officials APC members in this government who are fully involved who are going around with him so what would you say what would be more important to you showing leadership at governance level or showing leadership at party level which one is more important to Nigeria? To Nigeria the Nigerians elected the President to leave there making out time for the party activity campaign activities is not the primary thing for him right now but that now is standing he is already listed as to where it would be the campaign has not even wrapped up you are already giving a scorecard on what basis is your scorecard on what basis is your criticism of where it has been and where it has not been when election campaign will hold based on INEC time table till February 23 that is what I am saying don't put something on top of nothing don't let us bring people to war as matter of fact a lot of misinformation misconception out there today about APC is because of the media banditry that is going on it's like there is a an agenda to cause mayhem to cause chaos to bring the APC structure by the media and we know very well that from media they are not discharging their duties and responsibilities they are impartial outlets for the people they are taking position it is only in today's media that we see a journalist to say I don't agree with that or you can't tell me I am not buying that that is how bad the media has gone today and I will seriously suggest that let us tone it down at the end of the day Nigeria matters not just politics ok well every time that the media ask questions a lot of people accuse the media that they are not doing that duty and this exactly is the duty of the media we've heard something in the streets we bring it to the people who matter answer the questions no problems let the people say what they have to say let you say what you give your own side of the story that's what we do what the job of a counselor that we do we don't hide so we've heard this what is your take you have said this we take it back to the streets for them to do it but a lot of times people just say the media is not doing their job go and investigate this is part of the investigation this is part of the giving the chance for people to talk their own side of the story now we know from history that educating the throne as it were leaving governance as it were has never been an issue to a president of Nigeria in 2019 you said that even when Actiku who was contesting did not go around the country the president Mohammed Abouhari went around the 36 states of this country how did he suddenly become so interested in governance that he couldn't go 10 places or 10 states with the candidate of his party people will worry it is not because of what Nigerians would call bad ballet but we need to know now you're saying there is no problem in the party we take it but let me go now to Barista Moka both of you have said there is no problem in the APC we would like to agree to that we would like to believe that but let's begin with some of the other things that have happened within the party we do know from the point to see that one Najatsu Mohammed was doing anti-party that's why she was removed what she said before that statement of the APC that she has found out that everything about your presidential candidate was a lie and then she left now not only did she live with her stories also that the Northern Elders Forum is spoiling for a fight in the opposite way to pressure the NNPP candidate to collapse the structures to join forces with Attiku so it has now become a matter of North and South and the North are all out for Attiku maybe that's allegedly we don't know now people are leaving your party some other people are organizing against your party for whatever reasons they are doing for the parties of your party and especially your presidential candidate in the next elections starting with the one from the 25th of February our chances are as bright as can be in a political season where you have an election upcoming people come and go people enter and they exit now of course that's one of the feature that we need to work on that hopefully will evolve to a point where people have some kind of ideological commitment some principled commitment to the party and to its program and help to if you will constrain what I call the revolving door where people are APC in the morning and they are PDP in the evening PDP in the morning and they are APC in the evening that's a feature of our democracy where we are something that is about APC so you know neither to left or that's coming to the party people are tripping into the party if you want to take the statistics I think we have more people coming into APC than are living in APC look I don't know the day people have the right to freedom of association so when individuals come and the others who join the party to actually achieve the outcome like neither to date nor to be associated with the party so when you leave you can get headlines but you know what that's fine she has one vote and there are millions of people who are in the party who are also going to vote now as for your point about the candidate of the PDP now I don't think that in the history of this country we've never had someone be as divisive as Tikuwabubaka he is divisive not just of his own party this is not about Tikuwabubaka it's about the Northern Elders organizing against your party against your candidate it's not about Tikuwabubaka whether they give it to Tikuwabubaka or anybody else it's why the fact that they are organizing against your candidate and against your party that's why I'm concerned I'm expressing concern about your chances to answer the question as I see it you have asked the question allow me to answer it the point is that Tikuwabubaka emerged as candidate against the rotational principle of the constitution of his party and as you know that party today has been turned to pieces by his obsessive quest for power and who understands Nigeria and who understands the very fragile geopolitical relations we have in this country we'll appreciate what the ABC did and what our Northern Governors did in their insistence that power should rotate to the south of Nigeria which is the reason they threw their weight behind our candidate you can say that now the point I'm making is that this country exists beyond the election we are living in a very fragile moment in our political history and our political evolution now I don't know what you're referring to about Northern Elders working against or coming together against our party I don't know anything about that and I don't buy that at all that's your summation of your understanding of what's going on as far as we're concerned our candidate enjoys massive support across the land and breadth of Northern Nigeria and we have good, good, good people in that region who understand the nature and the reason to stand with the rotational idea that guarantees our unity today and going forward tomorrow so I don't think that they will collectively do a thing or take steps to undermine the unity of this country that's not something I'm willing to accept I know they are smarter than that they won't do what you are suggesting and like my colleague said my brother said, look, I think we all need to tone this down I think we should be having conversations about issues that are at stake in this election we should be having debates about how to better the lot of Nigerians all of these high-flying intrigues and suppositions and speculations and rumors and in renders these things are not helping us and in media you have the right to ask any questions you need to ask but I think that you must also bear a legend to your calling, to your mission which is to, you know, focus on those things that will help to, you know, I mean, challenge all of our candidates because you know what whether we like it or not there are about four major contestants in this race and one of them will emerge now our confidence is that our candidate Bola, you know, I met in the book will emerge the next president of Nigeria but you or myself or, you know, anyone else outside of those four will not be the president so it's important that we actually focus on them and ask what is it they bring in offer to governments in our country this is not about, you know, whether somebody is making well, we were talking with Barista Moka before we lost audio Barista Moka, are you there and still with us? Barista Moka? Okay, well, I understand Mr. Dedo Su is here Mr. Dedo Su, are you with us? Very much here with you Okay, well you are one and the same, it's APC so one question can go either ways when Barista Moka was speaking he talked about how divisive the presidential candidate of the PDP was because he against all odds emerged as the candidate for PDP when they were supposed to have selected a candidate from the south because he did that he was very divisive and he was also talking about the fact that right now we should be debating on things or issues that would be affecting Nigeria when the president president rather ascends the throne now in the UK for instance, okay the British has a constitution that may not be as written and rigid as the one in Nigeria which means sometimes especially in politics and policymaking, gentlemen agreements are also as strong as something that is written down now disagreements are rotation of power presidency not presidency south it goes like that whether it is in the constitution or not it is an agreement that was acceptable to the parties involved also another thing that divides us is the fact of religion Muslim Muslim ticket is the bane of the APC as much as the PDP has a problem with the Northern candidate when it should have been south and here you are talking about divisibility or divisiveness rather or unity how do you think your candidate of the APC is in a better footing even with the baggage of the same fit ticket that he is carrying how do you think he is in a better standing than any other political candidate that we have because the worry is that he brought a Muslim Muslim ticket and even the debates that we should be talking about he refused to be in debates but chose to do his own town hall different from all the other things that people are doing so how does he have a better standing than the rest thank you very much let me take the last question first when you are talking about when you are trying to allude to the fact that our principal candidates have refused to attend the debates who are the organizers of these debates what are their antecedents what is their background what is the position of the media house that is organizing that people can see because when you want to have me on a program like the debate that you talked about and I see your disposition towards my person towards my organization or towards my party I will excuse myself from giving life to your plans because we know the station you are trying to refer to a station where is shouted down is harassed is bullied and you want my candidates to grant them audience a station that does not look at the polity wholesomely but likes to isolate APC as the scapegoat or the dog that needs to be flogged I don't believe you serve your mail to somebody who has made you an enemy I don't think you do that if we are talking about debates let us have independent bodies to organize debates that is outside of the whims and caprices of any media organization can you hear me sir that is the void of any political interest of a particular station you asked me so let me just finish it I quite agree you can go ahead I am just trying to understand something do you presuppose that a station that hates your principal or your party could have asked him a question that he could not have answered because otherwise that is beyond the point sorry please don't let us mix things up okay a media station that my other party members my colleagues go to and at every given time it is like you are at a war front it is a battle with them because that is a station that says I am not buying that I don't believe that please where is impartiality tell me media outlets are supposed to be impartial they are supposed to inform they are not supposed to be debating you you are supposed to ask me questions and I answer but the moment you tell me that I am not buying that I don't believe that you have a position and I am not going to feed your position I am not going to feed your biases with my attention that is the point we are missing we are not asking debate as it not been answering questions this is what I said earlier about this representation of facts misinformation and deliberate misconception that is what I said earlier and we need to move away from this we need to talk about substance and not mundane things I will go to one of your other questions please bear it in mind that in Britain they run a parliamentary system of government and the leader of the country emerges from the party that has the highest government number of people in the parliament so you cannot bring that into the presidential system of government where there is an agreement within the party there is no such thing in the parliamentary system of government the leader of a party right now in APC we have a leader that is the chairman of APC the chairman of APC is not the president of Nigeria we are not running a parliamentary system of government people need to understand the different types of government that we have that we have parliamentary system of government we have presidential system of government so in their own case it is different so you cannot equate this are you now saying there is no honour amongst men anymore that even if the agreement was on written that is not binding what do we say about gentlemen's agreement I believe men should have honour no matter what one of the things I pride myself for and I know Mr Mokha pride himself for is honour being bondable that is what the white people say are you bondable when you say are you bondable they are not talking about financial bonds or anything are you trustworthy are you a man of honour are you a man of your words that is what is being called are you bondable when they want to check do a reference check on you they want to know if you are bondable if you are dependable if you are reliable if you are a man of your words so that article Jetty saying that gentlemen's agreement is not something you should focus on but you want to put APCs Muslim ticket under the radar under your binoculars under whatever let us focus on substance parties parties are not in an election to win the position of the pope or to become to become general overseers of a church parties are in place to win elections and when you are talking about religious religion being divisive dividing us we are the problem not the religion we are the ones with divisive divisive rhetorics we are the people we are the people who go on the altar I'm a Christian for heaven's sake but some of the things that I've seen are shaking me to my fate and I tell people these days forget about the men of God find a path directly with your God don't submit your thinking faculty to any church because it's just a building it's just a house what you need to do is to have them direct communion with your God hold on let us address this issue so simply because the media like to talk so much about these Muslim ticket APC is running in an election to win the presidential election and what is it going to win us the ticket and APC is in the same ticket that we have Bola Amed Sinubu who is married to a pastor to a pastor of a foremost church so if religion is not an issue in his house how will religion be an issue in the country and we all know that under Senator as the governor of but no state rehabilitated churches that were impacted by Boko Ara how come religion was not an issue it is not an issue because this is the party that you think this Muslim Muslim ticket is a sure bet whether it is a Muslim Muslim ticket it is a Muslim Christian ticket you vote for who you vote for all this is not about sentiment it is about numbers let's move it with them back there are a lot of things there I'm sure you know that when I was talking about the UK and all that it was not about comparing types of governments presidential or parliamentary it was about the strength of agreements whether written or unwritten that's what we're talking about and anything that has to do with PDP is not what we're discussing today when the PDP people come to the studio we're going to deal with them one on one the way we're dealing with you so the issue of whether we're biased or not will not arise when the PDP comes possibly they will say the same thing about us but sorry let me just quickly take that let me say this because you are talking you have talked a lot we need to move to others be very brief about it you brought the allusion and I just addressed it it's because you brought the allusion and I will be doing service to myself if you don't address it I understand if I did not address that that's what I said earlier don't put something on top of nothing I clearly understand let me let me go to Barista Mocha Barista Mocha right now your principle is because we are addressing his chances and the reasons why people will feel maybe his chances are slim the seeming or alleged or perceived arrogance with which your principle is going about in his campaign is also worrisome I'm saying alleged I'm saying perceived because it means he may mean something else for instance when he went to a good state before even he picked the ticket we know what he said but he just went to a quibomb state where he was given the logistics by the governor he was in the stadium in some states I know that opposition party will not be given and then he said he described the governor as that boy that calls himself a governor that was living in my backyard you know words like that have made people to express concern that he may lose some votes that could have come to him because of those utterances can you explain a way why he makes these kinds of utterances on the campaign trail everyone speaks and speaks sometimes not because he intends or means any disrespect to the governor in that context but you know it's on the campaign trail people say things I mean you saw the characteristic display by Dino Melae in Asaba where he was throwing himself on the ground I mean he was on the campaign trail and he was distasteful to me but you know to him he was trying to communicate in his own very weird bizarre way look you know on the campaign trail people saying they dance and they throw out words I think that Bola Mettinubu has respect for the person of the governor of a quibomb state and I think that you know we all do he's a human being he's a person and I'm sure he has respect for all of us as well my point is that that was not the only thing as Iwaju said on that stage he said a lot of other things with the media and not reporting that should be the focus of our conversation and of any public discourse around the campaigns I think the reason why you get the kind of feedback that you get from us and I'm sure from even many Nigerians respect more can we speak to some of the qualitative issues that are matters arises from these campaigns from the manifestos of the parties from the expressed vision of these candidates can we have some thoughtful conversation about that but everywhere you go in the last week I've been probably through nearly 6, 7 to 10 media appearances and all I have to respond to are issues of graphs or what was said or what wasn't said I find that to be a bit of a disservice to all of us because we can do more there are some substantive issues that we need to be talking about as the media you have a responsibility to discuss anything you choose that's fine I granted you I'm a human rights lawyer I'm an advocate so I respect your outer boundaries of freedom to articulate your positions and to ask questions but you also should respect pushback when you ask questions that sometimes don't really are not justified or to me don't meet the threshold of seriousness in the context of our elections but look nothing about a candidate is untoward and I think that those who support a candidate who understand that this is a man of vision somebody who has been in a saddle as governor of perhaps the most prosperous state that is the fifth largest economy on the continent of Africa which are the many many countries on our continent who engineered that vision look at the Atlantic city look at Lagos state look at the prosperity despite the massive population of that state see how the succession plan that this individual envisioned has carried Lagos to a point where other states simply go to copy models of development I come from the other state where the vice presidential candidate of the PDP is governor now his record is absolutely dismal a complete disaster he's done it and that legacy PDP there is what they want to carry to the national you know what Nigerians are the same they are smart and nothing no amount of emphasis on what was said in Akwaibom we stop Nigerians who know you know the quality of a candidate just one more question because the time is really up but you have to understand that when a presidential candidate goes about campaigning or any candidate for that matter goes about campaigning it's not it's not the good things that people will look out for because they will be looking out for a president who will be able to stand pressure will be able to work under pressure as they tell us in our acceptance letters to jobs can you work under pressure now a campaign is almost like a pressure that you're working under how will you thrive so people will not come and say Tino Vous said he was going to build roads that's not it even in relationships it's not the good parts that people look out for it's that day that you maybe mistakenly slapped your wife and then maybe the courts and everything will be on your case so you expect these things you should expect these things right now another concern we have another concern that people have maybe both of you can talk about this is that security in this nation is something that everybody's concerned about and it was also because I wasn't there let me just say it was also rumored it was alleged that sometimes not too far ago a known terrorist was seen or was arrested in the house of your deputy or your presidential vice presidential the vice presidential candidate sorry of the APC and people are also concerned whether that man can be a good person when it comes to solving security issues having been perceived as someone who is romancing with terrorists give us an insight to what happened and why it happened and what the chances are that's a comment that is absolutely uncalled for and unjustified the question to ask to associate our vice presidential candidate with terrorism that shows maybe you don't have Kabir Usokoto was the name on the media maybe you don't have the information that you should have this individual as governor is on record has been very forceful in his effort to deal decisively with Boko Haran the record is there in public you are a journalist you should be able to have access to all that information so I think that to suggest any sort of relationship or some kind of dealings with that that's beyond the pale that's absolutely wrong I really will reject that in its entirety again like I said there are issues to focus on my colleague did in his response earlier to you he did refer to this individual's role the very valiant effort he made to rehabilitate churches in his state were protected against the attacks of terrorists how can he be promoting terror and be protecting the victims of terror at the same time these things don't happen like that the facts are out there for anyone who is interested who is not simply looking for short cuts to hate speech to see the facts and to understand the nature and the role that this individual has played and that he will play as vice president he stands valiantly opposed to terror he has strong experience and he understands he was governor of a state that was in the eye of the storm and he did well no one has come with any assessment that is less than complimentary for his service as governor under the worst period in our history of terror under the PDP under the PDP as a government that failed to reign in Boko Haram at the early stages we have pushed back just a few months ago I was interviewed almost every day about the wave of terror we are not talking about that now because this government and our military forces have been absolutely amazing in their consistent fight to defeat terror and we have pushed that now to the remote test level so I think we should sometimes be positive to acknowledge successes as well this is our country by the way and I must say this this is our country we all owe a duty to ourselves and to our people to also sometimes run that flag of success where good has been done in all of this interview today you have said nothing about the successes of our military let's wrap up we should also say to them thank you for a job well done to our country ok well we have to know that in addition to that we have no time sir just give me a minute I need to add something to that ok let me say this we can give you some more time after the news so that you can wrap up the points that you have if that's alright with you I think that a lot of people are guilty of this illogical presentation of facts when Kabir Shokutu was arrested he infiltrated the security at the residence of Senator Kashima I wonder why it's not been reported that Kabir Shokutu was in the process was planning to kidnap family members of Senator Kashima why is that not in focus with all the power we want to believe Nigerian politicians serving Govnos as Govnos have do you think it's logical that if our vice presidential candidate was in Kahut or in tandem with terrorism working with terrorists or trying to shield them he would have allowed the arrest of Kabir Shokutu we need to be a bit logical when we present facts people need to reason beyond sentiments beyond cock and ball stories you know for a fact that it was reported that Kabir Shokutu wanted to kidnap family members of Senator Kashima why is that not in focus could it not be that he was arrested because of having infiltrated the security at the residence of our vice presidential candidate to carry out his clandestine activity of a kidnap why must it be equated that he was arrested because he's having fratality is having some kind of relationship with our vice presidential candidate what has happened to the case of kidnapping that was in the works these are things that we need to put out there that we need to situate beyond grandstanding and that's why I said I would like to respond to this and one of the things I think the media should try to focus on is INEC to ensure that INEC staff are not going to mess up this election that INEC staff will allow the vote of the people to count if some of if people have gone through the new electoral act you will see that the polling officers have so much power the presiding officers have so much power they can instigate over voting at any polling unit if they are working with any political party knowing that it is strong of a particular political party they can work with the opposition to cost over voting resulting to cancellation of the votes in that polling unit why are we not focusing on issues that will encourage that will strengthen our democracy why are we not focusing on the vote you sound like you don't have what I meant those are the things we are trying to project not not suppositions not allegedly not that suggested let us go into substance let us talk about the action plan of our candidate bad plans against the action plans of the other candidates that is what Nigerians need to know what will transform their lives what will move them forward you said the media is more focused on the shortcoming that the media picks not the media, the people not the media, the people are focused on what the president will do under pressure not the media, the media is telling you what the people said so when people blame the media it is what is on the streets that the media carries they don't even make any suggestions the people are saying this whether I am right or wrong today you have presented a perspective that a lot of people may never have heard this that Kabiru Sokoto was there to kidnap the family members of the state so if it is there family members of the state I don't know if they live in Asokoro or they live in Medugri that is also going to needs to be put out there so what we need to do is to fast check me let us be fast checking whether his family lives in the government house Abuja it is not about where the family lives it is about the intent of the crime the family can be in Sokoto the family can be in Abuja the family can be strict anywhere like me now I am not in Nigeria I am not saying because I am not in Nigeria that my family cannot be kidnapped I am not saying for my family that I have because I am a governor I have to be always in the particular I get your point let me take a final one to Barista Moka okay we are talking about the chances of APC and maybe there is also another perspective to what happened in Kanu and Kasina when the president went to visit because if it is not explained there is a possibility people might misinterpret it already word on the street is that because people are really even in the north tired with the administration of the APC it might spell doom by that I mean in the election for the APC because when the president went there was some kind of riot and the underage of the president was pelted because of whatever reason if you have an explanation or an insight to that please let us know and wrap it up very quickly please the president's visit to Kasina and to Kanu went very well there were millions of people who attended all of those events in those locations now on the fringe of the president's visit to Kanu you had some urchins who obviously were instigated to put up that optics of a show to make it appear as if they had an axe to grind with the president now don't forget the president went to Kanu to commission a lot of serious legacy projects including a world-class cancer center now is there anyone in Kanu who will not be happy with those massive futuristic projects that were put down by the governor and commissioned by the president is there anyone and don't forget as soon as that event happened of all the things that happened during that visit the PDP through their national public secretary issued a statement in which they simply were crying on behalf of the APC sympathizing with the president and condoning the party on that incident if you read the text of the statement you'll find revelations tell-tale fingerprints of the PDP all over the organizing of those marginal sidekick of so-called protests by these street urchins now if you see those who were throwing stones there's no significant doing that and Kanu people everyone knows are exceptionally mature in their politics but these street boys were simply commissioned by the PDP to do that I issued a statement to this effect and I actually called on law enforcement authorities to investigate that party and its officials in their role for this because those acts amount to reasonable you know felonies if they found being orchestrated by the PDP you know so look we are in that late hour of our campaign and I think not all the parties we all need to take a deep breath and completely refocus our energies on exposing the issues that matter to our people things that we have to challenge each of the candidates not just the candidate of our party but of all the parties to think right and to do right during this period and set that example that our people need to see that those who have won their tickets to compete for power are mature enough and are ready to lead should they be elected I know what I know and I'm confident that our visionary leader and candidate that's what people are making meets that you know tests passes that muster and I know that he will be the next president of the federal republic of Nigeria okay well I'd like to take a memory verse that you have just given all our leaders should think right and do right that's what I'd like us to end this program wait we should never forget that whether you belong to any party Nigeria is the overall party that we need to protect and all of us should think right and do right I'd like to thank you Barista Felix Moka national publicity secretary of APC for coming on this our program today thank you so much sir and Mr. Bayo Adedosu member stakeholders relations directorate of the APC PCC thank you gentlemen for coming on this program and for thank you very much for having me the perspectives you have given to whatever we were discussing here we have been very very helpful and we do hope that if we have any other great issues we can call on you at any time for you to come and unravel some of the mysteries behind the things that we hear or see good luck to your party thank you well ok that's how we wrap it up on today's show it's been wonderful having you stay with us tomorrow is another day and God willing we'll still be here we hope that you will join us too my name is Nyam Gul Agadji bye for now