 And welcome to the 21 Report being held at 21 Summit in Orlando, Florida. I'm Anthony Dream Johnson, your host today, special guest host of the 21 Report, president of the Manisphere, founder of 21 Studios, the 21 Convention, the 22 Convention, the Red Man Group, and many other things. Today with me on the show is the one and only, basically the host of the show itself usually, Mr. George Bruno. Thanks, George. Thanks for coming out. Pleasure. This is my first time hosting the show. I'm really looking forward to it, to be in a different scene, got you in the hot seat. So let's talk about the event. We just had 21 Summit for the first time ever. That was a three conference through convention experience. And you've seen this conference since 2017 when you were the beard guy, as Tanner Geese called you, and as I've called you. What's it been like seeing, you know, from the first event 2017 to now 2020? I mean, this is a big difference, never mind the events in between. But 2017, that was a big event, 10-year anniversary event, three conference experience. Your thoughts? It's multifaceted. It's never been a one-trick pony, but there were people who would call this a pickup conference, how to get laid conference, conduct yourself, red pill kind of stuff. And it's so much more than that. And it has evolved into a conference for the total man, the total man. What does the average attendee, excuse me, the average potential attendee, what do they not understand about attending the conference, the experience of being here at the events? The guy who hasn't been yet, so he's not alumni, what does he miss? What do they not see through the camera? It's so much more than sitting in an audience watching a man on a stage. That's a small part of it. The dinners in the evenings, the conversations in the hallways, the connections that people make, the conversations, the challenging, the collaborations. All of that just makes it such a high quality event that men are speechless when I ask them, how do you like it? And they got to think, they got to come up with words to describe what they got out of it. A lot of guys will say, I'll say, so what did you think of the event? They'll say, have you got about three hours? Wow. Yeah. They can't stop talking about it. Many times they're just saying, literally, wow. And that's even the new speakers that are blown away by this. Let's talk about some of those new speakers. You actually helped bring in at least one this year, maybe a couple. I think I'd say you're responsible for at least one or maybe two or three. Talk to me about having brand new speakers here, and one in particular that you're definitely super responsible for, Michael Foster and Jesse Lee Peterson. Yes. Both Christian pastors' reverence. Yes. What's it like seeing them take the stage at 21? Jesse Lee Peterson is a controversial guy. He has a huge following. I think he is an authentic man. He's one of these guys that he is exactly the same man in person as he is on camera. He doesn't change. When he hears action, he doesn't become this character called Jesse Lee Peterson. No hesitation, either. He's just zero hesitation. And the guy is 71 years old, which lends to the, I don't give a crap. And I kind of like these guys that are kind of like zero craps given. But do it with care and concern. I could tell he's a caring man. I could tell when he shakes your hand, there's a warmth to him. There's not a hardness to him. He doesn't want to fight anymore. He wants to speak the truth. And there's a lot of, I'll tell you what, there's a lot of people that want to silence him. That's how I know he's doing the right thing. Talk to me about Michael Foster. He's someone that you mentioned to me, I think a while ago. And he was actually in our community before that man is here, but I only was lately aware of him. But you were like, this guy's got to be there. And I talked to him and went good. Yeah, Michael Foster is, he's an intellectual. He's one of the most intelligent human beings that I know. Super high IQ, super articulate, father of seven, pastor of a church, presbyterian, which is more like what I would call more orderly type of denomination. Not a lot of, as Jesse would say, Hoopin and Holler and kind of thing. But he's not afraid to mix with people who have different ideologies than him. You would think that he would be very dogmatic about things. But he's sitting there, this Christian pastor, articulate, intelligent, sitting with Jack Donovan on one side, Tanner Guzzi on the other, Coach Greg Adams here. And they're all having this incredible conversation. He's funny. He's resourceful. And I thought, like for instance, I honestly thought that he was going to be slightly more dogmatic. I didn't think he had the sense of humor. I didn't, wait, let me take that back. I didn't expect to see the sense of humor coming out of him like I did. He's a very masculine, positive and smart guy. I got that feeling, knowing him, interviewing him before on the red man group and whatnot, but meeting him in person is very apparent. He actually ended up, he's slightly regretted not speaking at the main event for men. That's what he told me. I kind of figured he could do it, but he didn't see that before attending. And then when he got here, he was like, I see. He would have received in there controversial. And he's a big guy. He's a very big guy. And one of the things that he said to me, like big physically, he's like just a giant kind of guy. And he said, he's going to spend the next year, like he said to me, you're not going to recognize me next year. He is motivated to do something about his physicality after being here. He looked at other speakers. He looked at the attendees and their appearance through the gauntlet down for him. So he's going to start working out more and doing what he has to do to optimize his entire body, which is going to help him reinvent his career, so to speak. I mean, you know, change the body and everything changes. Yeah. Yeah, your physicality is very important in life, even especially as a public speaker. I'd say people respect you a lot more, the more in shape you are and what fit you are, the better looking you are, the better groomed you are, the better style you are. That's why the 21 convention, we try to make these men the best we can. All these different ways, like you mentioned, a comprehensive, all-encompassing, I think you said. Yeah. You phrased it. And there were a lot of beards here, I noticed. Oh, yeah, a lot of beards. There's a lot of beards. Bringing back the patriarchy. Yeah. That means it requires a beard. Make beards great again. Yeah, exactly. All patriarchs have beards. Probably not all, but most should. You're right. Not all, not all, but most. Yeah, exactly. What's it like meeting women attendees? Or did you ever think there would be female attendees at a 21 Studios built event? The 22 convention. The only time I've seen women attendees here was, you know, wives. When the occasional wife would show up with a speaker. And girlfriend, sister. Yeah, that kind of thing. And to have women come here, a lot of critics said, you know, we turned in our man cards by having women here. I would say, I think my man card got a little bit stronger. As a result of that. Because women, it took a risk for a woman to come here. They didn't know. They didn't know if it was going to be four days of men mocking women. We're getting yelled at. We're getting yelled at. Yeah. And talking to them in the hallway. Wow. Let's be clear. They were literally promised mansplaining. 100% mansplaining. The mansplaining event of the century. And that's what they got. But they weren't yelled at. They weren't mocked. Yeah. It was engaging and energetic. Yeah. Especially Jesse. Especially Peterson, I'd say was the most controversial. Yes, he was. Even Michael Foster, you know, was like, whoa. You know, everyone's parent. And Steve. Steve, the dean was in there too. Yes, he was. Everybody's parent, at least one parent had said has said to a child sometime during the parenting. It's not what you say, but how you say it. And I don't think anyone changed their message. This was not red pill light. This was not going easy on women because they're women. The way we did it. I did not compromise my convictions at all. I did not go easy on women. But it was how I said it. Steve, the dean asked me, I introduced him at the 22 convention. I mean, you were, you know, co-empting these events. Basically a lot of them. Tanner and Zach, you know, handled the patriarch, but we had to kind of do the rest of them. But, you know, Steve actually asked me to, and I did introduce him as the bad cop. He said, make sure you introduce me as the bad cop. You know, good cop and then a bad cop for the women. And that's how his speech went. And it was very positive, still very good, but zero compromise. And it was very engaging and very direct, you know, bad cop, you know, kind of thing. And it was, it was, I heard some, it was fun, a lot of fun. Fun for the women and for him. It was a very, very good thing, very educational. Well, let's back up here a step. You know, make a man great again went super viral back December 31st, 2019, January 1st, when it really kicked off right at the beginning of 2020. Talk about a wild year. I mean, even before COVID, it was ready for the wild. What were your thoughts, initial reactions and thoughts when that just took off? And not just, not just as a alumni speaker, but just seeing America and American women react to that, very polarizing, obviously some, some very pro a lot, not so much. Your reactions. It was so triggering for people who are very bold online. You know, being online makes people bold. There's people that say things on Twitter that would never say things to your face. It's fake toughness. Unbelievable. Unbelievable. I saw a lot of cursing going on. I saw a lot of, you know, small dick energy, like this, all this nonsense. It was just nonsense and projection. Yeah. You know, just ridiculous stuff. And I wasn't sure if you were going to be able to pull this off. I honestly, I don't think anyone did. Everyone saw what was going on. And I thought, okay, is this a PR stunt? Seriously, because I don't, you don't check with me to make sure things are okay before you do them. You do them. It's not like you sit there and meet with a bunch of advisors. You announce what you're going to do and then you do it. I believe in the dream. Yeah. And there's a lot of people that are sitting there scratching their heads, even in your inner circle going, oh gosh, there goes Anthony again. Truth. It's a truth. Doctors just had that experience for a long time, since 2006. I mean, you pulled off Poland last year. Holy cow. That's hard. Yeah. It was a great event. It was a great event. You pulled off Patriarch last year, the first one. We didn't know how that was going to go. And I had people attacking me. I had people, I had a major, you know, dropout, a dropout, one dropout speaker attacking the safety and reputation of the event. Yeah. Hotel in the suit and for that. Yeah. Saying it was unsafe to attend. These are major four or five star hotels. Yes. Crazy nonsense. Delusional garbage. But yeah, it was, it was rough. I mean, people, the Red Pill community in particular was very triggered by patriarchy because they're not comfortable with fatherhood. A lot of them. We see that. We talk about that. A lot of them are very, and it's true enough, there are dangers, you know, that we see in the, you know, for men today, obviously, you know, divorced to family custody and child custody and stuff. But I think that return, any kind of reverence or respect or inclusion or inclusive now, inclusivity in the man's sphere for patriarchy. And they just didn't want to hear it. And I'm glad, really glad we got that done. It was hard. It was difficult. Yeah. When I was interviewing Tanner and his wife, I put her on the spot and I said, what do you think of the patriarchy? Yeah. Her answer blew me away. She says, like, cherish the patriarchy. That was a perfect answer. Perfect. I could see that being a hat. Yeah. Cherish the patriarchy. Yeah, let's do it immediately. Yeah. Brian, boom. Amazing. Yes. Man. Let's, let's sidestep here. Little tangent. You've been to, you know, you're 61 years old. 60. 60, sorry. Apologies. You've been, but you're older than me basically. You're a different generation. You've been to many conferences more than me. Yeah. I've built them. Yeah. How does 21 Studios events, 22 convention, 21 convention, patriarch tradition, how do our events compare to other conferences, professional conferences, Christian or, you know, trade shows, whatever, how does it compare to other events you've seen in your lifetime? A highlight of most conferences, association meetings and things that I've attended in my career, literally, hundreds of them because I love going to these things and I went to a lot of them. The highlights were always what was going on, on stage. And then when people would leave the conference rooms, everyone was just quiet, going to the bathroom, getting a drink of water. There wasn't conversation going on in the hallways. There wasn't reactive, responsive conversations and the value of this, like I had said to somebody, there's the kind of speakers that fly in, speak, and then fly out. And the value of this for a new speaker is hang out with us for the full four days. You're really going to cheat yourself out of a real total experience here. When I look at like Jack Donovan who did not go on any stage, who came here and said, it was great just being here as an attendee. He didn't have to be on and he, every time I turned a corner, he was, had a group of guys around him. He was talking, he was sharing and he was floating from one stage or one auditorium to another and he loved it. And he saw a different angle this time as an attendee, as an alumni. VIP attendee or a celebrity attendee, we'll call him. Yeah. Manusura celebrity, yeah. Yes. I told him too a couple of times that I thanked him for being here just as an attendee. He wasn't speaking, but you know, it really shows it's action over words. I took it as a very big compliment, a serious compliment for him to just want to be here. You know, he's not, we don't, you know, he's not paid to be here. He's just an attendee, right? He's just hanging out, enjoying the conference, enjoying the experience as an attendee, primarily anyway, even if people were swarming him to get, you know, knowledge and whatnot. Yeah, it's a big compliment for someone to spend, take time out of their life. He flew in from, you know, Seattle or whatever Northwestern state. He lives in Oregon or whatever in your Portland, New Portland, right? Hashtag New Portland. Yeah. For him to fly here, it's a long flight. It's a long drive to the airport for him. It's a pain in the ass, physically. Long flight, you know, a lot of travel, days out of his life. He has a lot going on, busy dude, moving and stuff. He still came here, made it a priority. Didn't ask him to, he just did it. I think it was win-win because, I mean, he added value to the conference. Not from the stage though, from the hallways. Yeah. And then I really think he got something out of it too. I do. And he knew that, he knew he would. That's why he came. Yeah. I mean, he loves to support the event. I believe that to the bone. That's why he speaks here so many times. But yeah, it's a big compliment. He knows there's a lot of value in it, the networking, the experience. You don't know what's going to happen here. Never. All kinds of speeches and, you know, just amazing stuff, man, content. It's word change in the course of American history, I believe, slowly, but by bit. The Guzzies are talking about like the Brady Bunch, the Guzzie Bunch here, you interviewed on the show. When they leave their community out in Utah in the Mormon community that they're part of and their friends that are, I don't think all their friends are Mormon, but they leave, you know, these dedicated couples and communities that have similar values to them, they get worried about the state of America and state of the West and they should. Tanneris calls it, I think, calls it the wastelands. We live out in the wastelands. Ellie and me laugh about that, right? A lot of speakers do, because it's true. Culturally, it is like a way of saying it. It's like Mad Max out there. But this event in the Manusphere itself and in 21 Convention and 21 Summit are really just a physical manifestation of the Manusphere. It's the only long running. It's the longest running in the world by far and the biggest Manusphere event. Physically, it's ever been held and we're doing that over and over and over again 14 years. But we're pushing back hard, pushing back on multiple fronts. This is a culture war. I think we're actually winning at this point in some very important select ways, like first steps to make real change. Change you can believe in. Making women great again. Rebuilding the patriarchy. Where we have women telling you on camera, I cherish the patriarchy and they're serious about it and sincere and they can explain it. And of course, as Jesse would say, rebuilding the man at the main event. We're helping men become more masculine in very healthy, positive ways that they're getting yelled at outside this conference area that masculinity is toxic and fatherhood is useless and everybody's Homer Simpson, bumbling, fat loser, garbage. You can be strong, you can be masculine, you can be healthy, you can be positive. Masculinity is a good thing. Femininity is a good thing for the women. Yeah, it's common sense. I called it, you know, in my speech, common sense masculinity and common sense femininity. Yes. And you inspire a lot of what I do. You know, you see me, I told you, I steal from you. A lot of you give me the meme idea. A lot of the memes come from George. Steal away. But even with my keynote address, I thought it would be the ending slide. You know, hope, optimism and 100% toxic masculinity. Yeah. I just steal shit from you because it's good. A lot of final questions, one of the final questions. You've been interviewing now the 2011 report. You were interviewed on the report in 2017 by one of our guys. In 2018, you took charge and you kicked ass. It was like, I thought you would. I suspected you would. So you've been interviewing our speakers since 2018. You've done probably 80, maybe 90 interviews at this point on this show. This is almost the George Bruno show. I almost wanted to change the name. Yeah. How's that experience been? I mean, that's a lot of people to interview. A lot of men and a couple of women. Yeah, yeah. I think I decided that I wanted to have a conversation with people and not really interview. I want viewers to feel like that they're eavesdropping on a conversation between friends. So I'm not adversarial. I'm not trying to trap anyone. I'm not trying to interrogate anyone. You want them to open up them? Correct. Get ideas out. And I like to befriend them. There's, even if I get a chance to talk to somebody for an hour in the hallway, that still builds a little bit of a bridge to them. So by the time they sit in this chair, I feel like I'm talking with a friend. There are people who have been adversarial with me in the past, who I have interviewed. And I do believe that it's not my role to hammer them or belittle them. So I kill them with kindness. And I've done that with people who have been adversaries of this organization. And I will continue to kill them with kindness. Continue to do that. Sounds sad. Brutal. It is. It is. It's the opposite. It's paradoxical. It's brutal in an effective way. Yeah, it is. Final question. And you can address the camera directly on this one as I've seen you do this with so many speakers. What is your message to the Manisphere? What would you say to the Manisphere and to guide it in a, in a, in the way that you think is positive and productive for the future? This is an opportunity to do that. What would you say to the Manisphere? You know, any, any part of it that you want, the totality of it, what is your message to the Manisphere itself, the community of men and fathers? Good question. It's time to be an adult. The adult pill is the ultimate pill as far as I'm concerned. It's time to put away the baby food and the baby bottle and the diapers and stop, stop shitting yourself. Right? It's time to have some solid food and grow up and be a man. That's why we call it the Manisphere. It's not the baby spear. It's the Manisphere. It's time to grow up and be a man. And being a man, you got to get rid of hate, resentment. We love competition as men. That's normal. But cheap shots, that's feminine. Thug energy. It's bullshit. Grow up, be a man. Take the adult pill. I think that is the real red pill in my perspective. That was badass. George, thank you for becoming on the show. I appreciate it. I'm Anthony Dream Johnson, host of the 21 Report today here with George Bruno. We'll see you next time.