 We gon' do it how you want it, boss talk Yeah, everybody on it, boss talk It's a unique hustle, boss talk Yeah, we came from the struggle Check it, check it, check it, it's a unique hustle This your boy, E-C-E-O man I'm here, my guy's in the building man I'm turnt right now man Pippa Ken is on the set man What up, what up? Man, and he got company today man This guy right here man Hey man, after watching the middle of you earlier I beg the nigga to come over here You all talking about man Rome is in the building man Rome, Rome What's going on baby? Man, I tell you man It's a pleasure to be here man Man, it's a different man Oh man, you know hey I've been joining the fellowship man Say man, I'm in the deep man Dallas man Hey man, you had me way out in New York somewhere last week man Man, I'm gonna quit messing with you man I see, I see I see, I see it man Stan Pillmore got 52 zip codes man Man, you know I really trip off the fact man Like when I think about Just the way this whole platform Then exploded man You know all the people and stuff That be you know locking in Rocking with me now man It's just a beautiful thing man Mr. Servo says black media man Say we pretty much controlled In the old days Like I said earlier man it's that seed It's not the apple tree of the forest It's the seed Man Man that seed man It's gonna grow a forest Man, so man Like I said When I seen y'all earlier man And heard all them stories I said man I gotta talk to them man Now break this party down That's what I was really interested in I wanna get right into this party This massive party that you were talking about earlier Yeah man, so Rome You know what I'm saying He threw a party He brought all the big names in And you know man we all had sweets He had 40 sweets You know what I'm saying He had 20 stretch limos Hummer limos Man we had catering food Everything was free Everybody got in for free He must have spent about 100,000 You know what I'm saying Rome you know A lot of people don't know But he was one of the biggest pimps That ever come through Dallas I mean he had 17 white bitches You know what I'm saying Had a penthouse You know downtown You know what I'm saying Lot of other properties Rome so you telling me Now what made you do this party man You know I always wanted to Wanted to bring some excitement And actually in actuality It was actually my birthday party I just wanted to do a big like that You know my birthday fell that first week of March And I threw that party in March field And you know like I said I wanted to you know I got after I elevated in the game And started meeting you know Running the good cast Meeting Ken and you know Bishop and you know Couple other cast man And I went out to LA And I was sitting up in a Bishop's apartment man We were just sitting there Just chopping it up man And that's kind of what The idea originated from You know he put me in contact With everybody and Can you tell the people Who was all there Ah man I mean Anybody you can think of That's associated with the lifestyle man They will say They can get a glimpse of They can have a visual What we did We had iced tea We had cocoa We had Big Daddy Kane We had Dolomite For he passed Rest in peace We had Max Julian Who played Goldie in the match Man he rest in peace Exactly And we had Sugar Free Perform A ball MJG Kenny Red Kenny Red Minister Seymour Minister Seymour Orange Juice Jones Man this is a whole lot of You do it man You say Orange Juice I saw you walking in the rain Orange Juice Jones You will hold it in Yes sir Yes sir The bank man I mean Dallas ain't never been the same How did you end up even Linking with some of these people How would you even know These people I had initially Well like I say I had Initially talked to Morris Day about coming to do That Do the main performance Okay I spoke with him personally On the phone And He was already booked for And then out here In April So therefore We couldn't get him booked For that For that player's ball But you know Like I say I was able to Get put in contact With a lot of A lot of cats through Ken and Bishop Wow You know Wow so you Basically reaching out To Ken Bishop Y'all trying to Y'all figuring it out And you done already told him I'm going to Put this party together Yeah Well see I went over Well I went to Ken's party Over in Milwaukee He's trying to Now wait a minute There it is Right there Ken you the one Started it That's where I got You know I went to Ken's party Then I went to Bishop's party Over in Chicago Got a chance to meet Bootsie Collins And just Few other players So that's kind of How it all came about That's hard right there I mean And so You would Be honest Would you really Trying to make it bigger Let's be real You seen Ken You seen Ken You seen it on us That's the one You seen it on us He's trying to Make it in I had Bumby I had Him I had Make She Rest in Peace Gangster Boo You know I had a lot of People there That man That man Brought the whole Hollywood Man That shit was big Yeah It was awesome man I mean Like I say It was It originated from From the ideas That I got from Ken And when I went Out to Bishop's party So I need to bring Some shit like this To Texas you know That's crazy man Because like I said How much did you Say you spent In total For the party That particular party Was a two day event So we You know like I said At that time I owned My own club So I think I spent I think I spent Probably about a hundred man You spent a hundred K Yeah probably about Easy Yeah And that's You know like I said I took care of everything You know flights Hotel Bring them in Yeah And you first classed them Yeah All the way through man You know But On deck the whole state man You know free food That Wow Champagne You didn't put it on K-1-0-4 Nothing that was going down It was advertised Yeah We were advertised on 97-9 Who was What year was that 94 That was in 2005 Is that Gregg street No that was 2005 We had 2005 We had I'm thinking That's Gregg street It wasn't baby Back then That was Oh it was Well Let's see We'll see It was during the time That club blue was Opened out Okay I remember that Club blue had Had 1-0-4 And I had 97-9 Oh so you had What's that Big bang Big bink Big bink Smooth DJ smooth DJ smooth He actually DJed the event Yeah Let's see Throwdown Sam was Throwdown Sam Yeah he was He was One of the connects I dealt with You know On the On the 1-0-4 side On the 1-0-4 side And so Basically So you had it on lock So you basically With no overthrow But this one here Was the one that broke the mode Would you say this is The biggest party That you threw in Dallas Yeah this is By far the biggest By far the biggest Have you seen anybody Top it since then Nah man They starving for Another one man Really trying to Trying to kind of play Putting another big one Together for them man Because I mean That one there was a big success And it just kind of It paved the way For people that Became aware of it So now they Waiting on it Let me say No The reason why You know that would Never be duplicated Is because It wasn't done For the sole purpose Of money It was done because Of love for the game Yeah And you know Just all the people That wrong thought That he would want to fuck with Or he would want To be at his party Right Average person You know when they Make a move like that They're only thinking About the financial Rewards of the Circumstances Yeah Yeah But with him It was It was purely Organic And it was all about You know the moment And the history And the game Dang Man So I mean You know Of course the 17 The 17 hoes The white girls Which you I'm going to be honest With you I heard you ask some questions Early But I thought Probably what you said In your In that P.M.C. song About the white girl Is the right girl And all this talk About the white girl Pretty much Being in the car And the black girl Pushing the car I'm going to be out Then I hear his story And it's like Man What is White girl Gonna get it Get it Black girl Is not going to be With you You know You know So If you were to put a black bitch In that belly The oil like would have came on So it changed the bitch Oh Oh I knew it was coming Oh Oh Right Right So I mean What made you Really just Was it that the white girls Was easier to deal with Or was it Well I mean It wasn't So much as that I mean it just I mean You know Like I say I just attracted I just attracted More White White girls or whatever You know what I'm saying Why did you attract More white girls I mean I'm trying to figure that out Like I can tell you why He didn't have the Jerry curl He didn't have the The braids He wasn't sagging You know Gucci and Right He looked apart You know White girls You know They like that shit You know what I'm saying They like a classic You know They want to be The black man anyway Oh He was extremely nice And he didn't look like You know He had a low fade Like you got Now like I got You know Expensive clothes You know You see them walking You can see the red up Under the feet Like he stepped on somebody You know what I'm saying So he was always You know The distinguished gentleman I think that That's what Distinguished You know The black bitch From the white bitch You know The black bitch She wanted to With the tattoos On his face With the gun The white girls You know At some point Once they realize They value They start going into The Hilton They start going through The Crown Plaza They start making Real money They know that They can't have That type of dude And really You know Keep doing what They're doing Unless they just Get on fabulous Wow Wow And what's Your take on it What made you That guy Man You know what I never really Do But I want to be The best at what I did And You know Like I say You know I mean Majority of the white girls White and white girls Some of them White girls was from England Broken English And shit You know what I'm saying So So he He only had a Foreign car He had Foreign policy On the bitch too Yeah You know I had A mixture Man It ain't like I had a mixture You know Asian Asian Cajun Malaysian British Oh Puerto Rican You know Yeah Man So man What What was the most You made in one night Well I tell you this On a good night For me One night About 11 12,000 Bad night About 6 or 7,000 So you was Upset on that 6 or 7,000 Night Like I Don't try to Reach back and make up For what they Came short on But he was spending 40,000 a month Just in expenses Tell them what you Made them girls do Well We sit down Man In my penthouse joint Man One day I said Okay I went Got a Bunch of little Notepads Passed them out To everybody And what I wanted to do Is Write down Every expense That's going There Car No Rent Whatever But I had them Write everything down Everything Every expense And we Told it all up At the end of That And it all came About 43,000 Wow And that's What I was Spending Each month 43,000 Give me some What was the Living budget What was some Of the things That you Was buying though You probably Didn't even notice But my girls They had They had Their own halls Man They had 250,000 300,000 Dollars of halls And they named By themselves That I got That I had them You made sure That it was good Yeah Yeah Yeah Yeah And then Of course They had Top line Vehicles And whatnot They was Well taken care of 166,000 Or whatever And short amount of time Less than a year And they was Let's talk about that For a second So how did they Even approach you Because Usually There's some talking Going on When them Alphabet boys Come on in Let me tell you The motherfuckers Came to me They had A little Pyramid size They had A piece of paper With a little Pyramid on that Motherfucker With some little Boxes Looked like Some pictures When the motherfuckers Seemed me Peek at it He hurried up And tucked it in His folder But I put two and two Together What it was They had already Talked to people Asking people What do I do What do you know That man to do You know what I'm saying Wow So After You know Shit Ten motherfuckers Talking about Hey He got girls And yada yada You know what I mean They tried to make up A fucking escort business I suppose that Never heard of it Wow You know what I'm saying But They had already Had a case Built up on me Before they even So they were Trying to build a case Man And Then He went for money He went for pepper Correct Yeah, they hit me For the money They tried to Build it up On them Yeah, exactly They came on show Yeah, exactly That's crazy They came wrong You know, you left But boys come right Well, you know Like I say You know To avoid them Fucking with my girls And shit I just went ahead and took my Lick and got my shit And did it over And got it over with Wow You know what I'm saying Because Like I say shit It could have been worse How long did you go Fighting the case Because it didn't just Happen like that You speaking like that But we know that They came talk to you Then after that It's some You got a shift And move Okay What I'm doing here If they really got me Do they got me They don't got me Oh, man They ain't got nothing Right How long did that go on? Well, you know What kind of What kind of Made me make a decision About just going ahead And You know Doing my time Getting it over with Is when I Met with my lawyer Okay So how long did you Well, from the time You found out that They were trying to get you For money And then to the time I was well over Over a year You see what I mean That's a long time To be out in the streets Trying to Move some things right Because you know You about to sit down Yeah, yeah, yeah But I mean Like I say It was about a year I was dealing with that And then I Like I said I went ahead And got my shit on What was your most Important thing That you were trying To get straight Before you went Well I was I was Trying to I was actually I was actually Trying to Try to buy a business So you could Work while you was locked in Right, right I was actually in the process Of buying a hair salon How much was that Hair salon And that hair salon I was going to The latest going to sell To him for 30K 30K Yeah, so Deal ended up Falling through You know But you Try to Try to get that So that you could Ride that wave Until you came home Right, exactly Exactly I was trying to Get her because she was She was actually going to Sell it to me Which she was going to sell it To me But at the last minute She decided to keep it So that's why that How much that damn attorney Hit you for Trying to fight that case Man That's what They hit you They don't be playing Yeah I know I know I know he hit me for Like Close to about a quarter I'd say around 20 You know 20 racks He hit you for 20 racks Yeah And then you just Like I'm going to What was the biggest time They came at you with? Well, I mean They came at me Well, actually They see One thing about the fear They go by guideline Okay So it really wasn't No bargain They knew what you Straight up knew What you were going to have to do Yeah My particular charts Filled within a certain Guideline So that's what I was That's what I had to do Wow And so You get this case They give you How many years? 36 months 36 months Yeah And you know already You fit to sit down For 36 months The girls gone already Or they hold it Yeah They've left From an old time ago They know already It's high And continue to do They thing But that's how the game Do That's how the game Go though Like I say But why you was Going to end One of them Reach out to you I had A few of them That's what I was thinking You know Kept my book straight Kept me paper up inside Wow And you know Like I say Maintain some of the stuff That I did have out here Oh Something that did Maintain some of it Yeah Yeah So it wasn't all All bad experience You know what I'm saying But Was in one of them That ran off on you Like When you came back Even though they had Them ran off on you Tried to say Hey Let's make it Reach back out Reach back out I have had A lot of A lot of time To just sit back And just clear my head man And You know When I got out My whole Outlook was different You know what I'm saying I was just On something totally different You know what I'm saying I felt like I had Outgrown Ken What do you think You know I mean You've seen these things Happen before When you see A brother Even though it wasn't For the ism When you see a brother Go down And come back like that Niggas be just Like leery of Fact of Okay How this too Do y'all even think About it when you left Because you left No I was A lot younger When I left When Rome left You know what I mean I think it kind of Put a dent in the game Because You know he was Off in some kind of Motivation See a lot A lot of people don't know See I was three Time loser What I caught a pipping case In San Francisco I didn't even know That I caught a pipping Case in 98 So that was way before 1998 You didn't stay Gone in that lower I stayed I did My time In Susanville in California Man two and a half years Wow So that See what I'm saying A lot of times You know what I'm saying Different things going on When I got to this Federal bid I was like Man I can't do this No more You know what I'm saying Between You know I started out As a dope boy Yeah Back in You know I mean Back in Pistols Walking down the street With Trends Colton And two big ass Pistols on my side In the early 90s In the early 90s I graduated from that You know When I Crazy thing Man when I caught that When I Got caught up On that Dope Dope case I felt relieved You know Police Put me in the back Of the car I felt relieved I was just Wow And so what guy Did you into the The jails Man You know You see what I'm saying Let me tell you something I've been around the game All my life Okay You understand what I'm saying I mean I've Growing up as a kid You know Five, six years I've been around it And Can't really explain What What I mean Like I say I just gravitated to it Man And I just You was born into it I knew I didn't want to go back To selling that dope number Okay You know what I'm saying And Shit I get out And I mean man You know Being in the penitentiary You know as well as I do Niggas gonna get a hold of Them fucking Donald Goins And All of them Pilt books Man Which one was your favorite Niggas I've been Memorizing the books Word for word God damn I'm gonna get out and pilt Right That's exactly what I did You went out and started studying Out of pilt Hey man I had a dope pad Memorized this shit man I burst live Hey That's where it started from Man I ain't gonna even fit in front Which book was it Man I didn't read all of them All of them Hell around the world I love them So you knew When I get out of here I already knew what I was doing Man And it was a trip It seemed like It seemed like I mean man I could tell you a whole story bro Okay I really need to be writing a book About my life Really Yeah Because it's just so much that I mean it's like Every time I get to a light I will spot a hope I would know what she's Getting ready to do For the light to even change She pull up in the gas station I pull up in the gas station Bam Two hours later She going on a call She going to turn a date You see what I'm saying Yeah So you knew You kept Man It was like It was just lining up Every time I come up with one chick She want to come Folk would be right I just got out of the TDC So I know what the TDC Uniforms and shit look like Broadening her bathroom Getting dressed We getting ready to go She getting ready to go home I happen to look over in her closet This is a fucking TDC uniform This is This used to be a TDC Correctional You know what I'm saying So last evening Going to go home You know Different little shit like that She out in the hallway Then going Man I mean Everything would just happen Like a domino effect Every time man Every time I leave the house I come up with a fresh bitch There was a Okay Who was your Can you remember the first The first Whole you ever know Very first was An old Hawaiian lady That was the first one Very first one What about you Ken Can you remember the first one Yeah Yeah I was I ran away from home Me and my brother And we was We was on the track on 24th in California Madison in California In Chicago And there's one Dame She said You're a little cute nigger You know what I'm saying And I said What you do You know what I'm saying She was working For this nigger named Chocolate Dice I get money We were going up Down the stairs We seen all these bitches Have neck and we didn't know What the fuck was going on At the time You know then we see Downwind Pulling up Chocolate Dice All these niggas got Cadillacs and shit And you know She ended up being In a room Next to the room So he was standing In a whole hotel So She ended up being In a room Next to ours And you know We just started talking So that was the first Whole That I know was a whole There was this other whole That was holding Little light skin And pretty bitch Right So I'm harassing her And you know I was harassing Why are you doing this Why are you doing this Right So chocolate dice He said some niggas And me and my brother And we ended up leaving Everything in the Motherfucking hotel Everything in the hotel They chased us Man And I don't know If you've been to Chicago Where they got these stairs You go up the stairs And it's like Like wooden stairs But once you go up The stairs You can't go nowhere So we jumped inside The garbage cans We had to hide in the garbage cans They're like Where the niggas go Where the niggas go Those are chocolate dice Hit man And we hid in that I never told the story Man Just the first That's crazy So that's That was the first Two holes that I met And that We went to Milwaukee I met my man J.D. And so he had three bitches He ended up giving me One of them holes That's the first hole I would pimp down So you know what I'm saying Docks is a game And There was a lot of niggas Like the old men They was on heroin They were blowing cocaine And the one that was Stupid ass shit I considered it stupid Because I grew up You know, under my mama They had a christian shit Right So I I knew no drugs I still don't know And I still don't know I still don't know No drugs this day You know what I'm saying So I You know I said Man You know Gimme a bitch Gimme a bitch That's when I got to be Around the holes gave me the gang. He said, man, whenever you see a bitch, he said, ask the bitch, where you going? Where you a little bitch? Where's your mama and where's your uncle now? He said, drill the bitch. He said, make sure you get all the information from the bitch. He said, that's how you gonna tell what type of bitch you got. You know what I'm saying? Then, you know, he told me, he said, man, this is how you knock a nigga for the bitch. When you get him, you just serve the bitch. You know what I'm saying? I end up knocking him for this bitch named Bridget. You know what I'm saying? I was 16, so I became legendary at a young nigga so that the old man Gordon, to do a slogan, he was talking about to kill Stan. That's when the nigga started fucking with me. You know what I mean? I'd be over there with them old niggas. You know what I'm saying? The career had a perm and shit. You know what I'm saying? That's when niggas used to wear perms and I used to be sitting up at the same beauty shop. Them niggas, they'd get my hair popped. You know what I'm saying? Go get my shoes from Nine Bush. I was a young nigga, but I still had that gangster shit in me. You know what I'm saying? So I couldn't shake the gangster shit. Cause you know, I mean, I'm in the game, but you know what I mean? My niggas, we robbing banks and doing crazy shit. So I'm like, you know, that's really what was in me. But you know, I'm going to try this pimp shit though. I'm going to say how this shit go, right? You know what I'm saying? Hopefully this shit will get me out of this shit. My misery is right. But you know what I'm saying? I'm going back to the penitentiary. And then when I got in the penitentiary, I met Pimp and Pope. So Pimp and Pope, he give me the game. He said, listen, man. So you got to desensitize yourself, man. You see, you can't have no feeling from the holes. I said, well, how you end up being a nigga if you a pimp? Why you in here with me? He said, well, the nigga Sam, who named Pimp and Sam jumped on the sky. He shot him off the car. It's this girl named Juanita. I went to high school with, you know what I'm saying? I mean, she had chose up on him. Then she ended up choosing up on Sam. And that's why he shot Sam. And so while he was in there, he told me, he said, man, you know, there's no difference between the in-pocket bitch and the out-of-pocket. He said, man, listen, man. He said, bitch, you better go from this motherfucker in the best part of that, in the best part. Of course, a ton still still here. Dick had not losing the drop. He said, bitches, love instruction. He said, whatever you do, you get a bitch of stress. Hey, clean my shoes. Wash my clothes. You know what I'm saying? So that's how I really got acclimated with the gang. So when I came home, the first prostitute I met after I got, you know, when I'm ready, really ready was the bitch's name. God damn man, Nancy. So then I met Curlin. And that's really sparked my career. From there, you know, I just started, you know, like Michael Jordan, I just started, when I get in the air, I tried another move, you know what I'm saying? And next day, you know, Nick's was trying to shut me out of the pit, but I was the slickest talking nigga on the blade. You know what I mean? So I'm spitting it like a oozy. You know, I had oozy in my mouth. Brrr, brrr, brrr, brrr. You know what I mean? That shit was just drilling, right? So my fuckers just, you know, they just started liking me and shit. And then I, my dumb ass went and robbed another bank. Damn. And robbed another Jewish store and went back to Penitentiary. Got out, you know what I'm saying? And, you know, I come up with this other broth named Tangy and C.C., it was all off to the races. So I was pimping like 95 going north, you know what I'm saying? And niggas love me everywhere I go. Cause you know, I've always been a cool dude. You know, this, this image that I have, this ain't no fake image. I always been humble and cool, but I've been a gang. I was a gangster, but I was a humble gangster. You know what I mean? So I went to a wild nigga. I'm like, if you fuck with me, nigga, I'm gonna sleep under your porch. You know what I'm saying? Nigga, I'm gonna stick a bitch on you. I'm gonna get you. That's the kind of gangster I was. I wanted to kind of, yeah, you know, I didn't have a game banging and shit. No, I just, niggas knew not to fuck with me. You know what I'm saying? Cause I didn't play that shit. You know, so then after that, it just was pimping on, you know, that's how I met Rome. You know what I mean? And I met him, you know what I'm saying? When I seen him with them 17 bitches and I seen them pimping like motherfucker, you know, I can say he came to my party. He had 10 bitches with him. You know, and my niggas was like, God damn. You know, they was like, what's with God? I said, this ain't even a squad nigga. This is, this is the party. I said, they got seven more bitches somewhere else, right? And, you know, I, I, I, I, that's crazy as hell, man. Hey man, but you know what though? The crazy thing about Rome is, I came to Dallas. I went hearing about him. I was hearing about other pimps. You know what I'm saying? I mean, this pimped this, this pimped that, this pimped this, this pimped that. And I would hear about them. I never seen they hoes. There was some giants in the town, but I never seen they bitches. I seen a couple of bitches right up and down that I might've sweat on the blade on the track. You know what I'm saying? But I never seen it hoes, but when I stopped fucking with Rome, I seen him actually, you know, like people tell me, man, I ain't never seen him. People came with 16 bitches. I had them, but they ain't never seen them. But Rome has 17 bitches and I've really seen them. And I, and I. You seen them with him? Yeah. He, he, that man, I got the movie in my, I got the movie. I got part two. I don't even really show it. That movie I sold you. I'm gonna give you part two of it. You gonna see Rome going there with them hoes, walking right behind them pretty ass white bitches, like some pretty motherfucking white hoes. You know what I'm saying? Rome, Rome, okay, Rome. Rome, I'm gonna go back to the damn party that you threw in Dallas. Did you know that people came for the fight at your party? But you, what did you hear about that? You know what, man, I, I, you know, I didn't really know exactly what, to understand what was, what was going on really till the, to the end of it, you know? Did you, did you didn't know it was happening? Well, no, I didn't know really how intense it was. I thought maybe it was just some situation where they needed to talk some shit out or whatever, but I didn't know that it was gonna actually. What happened at the party, man? Because, uh, Valentino spoke on a little bit earlier, but let me hear your side of what, what was going on. Well, you know me, man. I'm like, I'm like the first nigga in Milwaukee. You know what I'm saying? That really, you know, got out there really big on the pimping, you know, we had a couple of players like Sonny Page, uh, Sluggle, you know what I'm saying? But they wasn't out there like me, you know what I mean? And, you know, I'm the first nigga that brought, what Rome did, I did just on the pimp side. I brought Bishop down one every pimp from all over the country. And that's when you're watching pimps up hoes down. Pimps up hoes down. That's those are all my parties, you know what I'm saying? American pimp when Snooki went to pimple the year, that's my party. So I was doing that shit, but I was a lot younger. I was like 30, maybe 31, but I was a real, real known reputable pimp. You know what I'm saying me? So a lot of niggas in the town, you know what I'm saying me? You know, they wanted to, you know, they wanted to come at the crown. You know what I'm saying me? So, you know, a lot of niggas, you know what I'm saying? There, you know, take anything I do, it'll be like with V12, you know, it'll be some, it'll be some, some additives and preservatives and some mix on the shit. You know what I mean? When never just Ken did this, it was always Ken. You know what I mean? Oh, you know what I mean? So the shit would be escalated. You know what I'm saying? So Sam had heard some shit. You know what I'm saying? That I supposedly say it, you know what I'm saying? And if you listen to it the way, you know, it was another big time pimp told him. So, you know, it made it sound like it had some validity. You know what I'm saying? But if you listen to how I told him, you know what I'm saying? I said, oh, he did see that. And you know what I'm saying? And dude went and reported it back and dude came back. He thought I was trying to shit on him. But you know what I'm saying? Anybody that know me know that's not my character. You know what I'm saying? So, dude, you know what I'm saying? He was up there with Valentino. So Valentino said, can you, he said, where the nigga at? Where you at? Where you at? I said, I beat his ass and he got a gun and shit. And he came down. And when he came down, you know, you know, I said, let's go. You know what I'm saying? And they got it all on camera. You know, I threw my dukes up. He threw his dukes up. Didn't really transpire though. Because Kenny Redd now kind of squashed the shit. You know what I'm saying? And, you know, it got on this tape called the Masters Players Ball. Yeah, so that's why everybody know about it. Man, everybody see me throwing my dukes up and it was crazy, man. And you know, Rome, you know what I'm saying? Heard about it. Because that was your, you put that out, right? Yeah, but you know, I want to correct something on that. Okay. Right? Because, you know, like I say, I, you know, when that tape was edited, right? It was edited by a crew that I had brought out here from California. They came and shot the footage and shit like that, right? But the way that tape was edited, it made it look like as if Bishop had got knocked for this little white bit. Oh yeah, yeah, I remember that shit. But you know something, that wasn't even the case. That little bitch was in everybody's hotel room. She was just prancing around, just wanting to be around some pimps, right? And, but the way that the tape was actually fabricated to make it look like. Bishop got knocked. But now Bishop wasn't even in the game to be knocked. You know, that little bra wasn't even with him. Wow. So they made, and that's. They're the first clickbaiters. Yeah, but four clickbaiters was clickbait. I didn't really support that DVD after it was finalized because of that. You know, I didn't really push it because I felt like, you know. It was false. It was some fake shit going, yeah. Yeah, it was a false narrative about Bishop's supposed to be getting knocked by some broad and shit. And the niggas trying to show me fight. That still wasn't cool, man. You know what I'm saying? That wasn't even the case. But was Bishop, Bishop was there. He did have girls or he didn't have no girl there. Well, no, I mean, Bishop was Bishop, Bishop, Minister Seymour, everybody was there, man. You know, we was all there just to have a good time. That little chick that was there, she was just hanging out, wanting to be around everybody. But what made them think that she was Bishop girl? Cause this little young dude, what's that nigga name? Uh. A slim nigga with a pun. Silk. Little silk. Silk, silkie. Silk was supposed to be the knock, the temp for the bra, but that wasn't even the case. Silkie. So did Silkie put it out there? No, what they filmed it and they want, they was making it look like Bishop got knocked for a bitch that was already a monk. Lucid in the Montana Goose. You know what I'm saying? Yeah, exactly. So, you know what I'm saying? So, you know, a lot of shit about that tape, like he said, you know, it was un-pimp like, you know what I'm saying? So you could tell it with some squares that did it because they don't send me. Ain't nobody gonna, you know, ain't nobody gonna show niggas a few, you know what I mean? Yeah, yeah. Or a nigga fake knocking the bitch. So when you seen that you knew that she was on the tape? It was funny to me, you know, when I seen it was funny to me because everybody was talking about it. It was like, it was like before the internet, it was like, it was viral before viral. It was viral on the streets and people was buying it. And so they was like, yeah, man, can I know you had them hands? I know you can box. I said, no, man. I said, that ain't even what it was, man. I was just like, I said, man, when you get COVID or you get a cold, your immune system attack your body. You know what I'm saying? When you swing at me, I'm gonna put my hands up because your mind is designed to protect you. I was just protecting myself. I wasn't trying to go to battle with the man, you know what I'm saying? Because, you know, if he would have just, you know what I'm saying? Say, hey, what's up, nigga? You know what I'm saying? Yeah, nigga. You know what I'm saying? You know what I'm saying? That's some sucker shit you did. I'd have been shooting back at him like, no, there ain't nothing to suck about me, nigga. And it would have been like that. But you know, it was like, you know, it was a protect, it was to protect myself. You know what I'm saying? But them niggas, you know, they tried to make it seem like, you know, I was Mike Tyson. Did you know Sam was even fit to come at you? You didn't even know, you even mad at you? Well, yeah, he was mad, but you know, I mean, them niggas know me. You know what I'm saying? Niggas know I don't give a fuck about that shit, man. Man, I'll tell you, he ain't that nigga, man. I'll tell you, man, I ain't that nigga, man. I mean, y'all see me Sunday DVDs, but you know, I'm always by myself. Exactly. You know I ain't no bitch, right? No, I got you. You know, you know, these niggas right up on me, you know what I'm saying? I gotta do something. You know what I'm saying? I got money in my pocket every day, man. Every day. I stand on mine. You know what I'm saying? I get it. Sam know this. He knew that. He knew that. But you know, he didn't really want to fight. He was just, you know, trying to make a point. He got emotional. He was cussing and he had a gun and everything. He was mad, but he wasn't gonna do nothing to me. You know what I'm saying? Because you know what I'm saying? He know this shit didn't merit that. It wasn't that serious. Sam is my nigga, man. Sam is a cold motherfucker out of Milwaukee, man. But I want to ask you this though, when they, who had the damn VHS, so who was in there recording with the camcorder? Well, I had a camera crew, which flew out here from L.A. That's a big thing back then. That wasn't no good point. How much did you pay for that camera crew? I had a business partner at the time that had bought the camera crew out. Okay, cause they wasn't cheap. You know, back then you couldn't get no camera crew. Oh yeah, no, no, no. Yeah, we had, they was there the whole way. We had them set up at the hotel throughout the whole thing. That shit was slick. And what was the name of the DVDs or the? The Masters Plans Ball. That's what they called it. So is it on YouTube and stuff? Yeah, yeah, you can definitely do that. The Masters Plans Ball. The Masters Plans Ball. The Masters Plans Ball. Yeah. I'm gonna look, see I told you, I see you all the time on all the old stuff I come back and look for. I said, go candy in the building. Hey, you know what? You know what was so crazy about that? I was looking at that shit. I said, man, God damn. You know what I'm saying? Every time a black man tried to do something positive, another black man put him two steps back, because I was transitioning, the shit I'm trying to get young people to do. And I was doing a movie called for the Ghetto Street to Zeta Street. I know you got that. So you know what I mean? I'm trying to, and I tell wrong all of them. I said, man, I don't even wanna do the pimp shit, man. I'm cool. I'm cool on that, right? You know what I'm saying? And all of them think, that I don't really love the gang, but I love the gang because they often, I speak of love. What I speak of love is pimples. I'm speaking of, you know what I'm saying? You got to remember, man, I didn't make millions off the gang. You know what I'm saying? I mean, I didn't shine. You know how a nigga grew up, you see people you wanna be? I became the niggas that I wanted to be. You know what I'm saying? I had the hundred, I told you I got the hundred thousand dollar bust down. You know what I'm saying? I had, I modeled for Murray. Did you know that? No, I didn't know that. I modeled all the Murray shoes. I modeled for them people. You know what I'm saying? They have a Pippa Kench shoe, like a Michael Jordan shoe. So I love the gang. The gang been good to me. You know what I'm saying? I mean, Simon Schuster gave me a quarter million dollars for a book. You know what I'm saying? They gave me a quarter million dollars for a book. I didn't have no self-publishing. I didn't know motherfucker, I didn't write that shit. They came to me and I wrote it after they paid me. After they gave me my first 125, man. So what I'm saying, the game ain't bad to me. You know what I'm saying? I don't have no problems with the gang. So you tell me in 1994, you was saying I'ma get out. Cause that was a no, no, no, no. When did you do this in 2004? 2005, you were saying I'm, I'm trying to get out of it. Okay, this is the same shit I should tell wrong. I said, wrong man. You know, you got all this money. You got all these holes. You got to do something with your money. I said, man, do a ball. I said, do a movie. He remember, if we talk, he remember, you know what I'm saying? I said, man, do the movie. You're going to make a lot of money. Like I made money, wrong, sit me down and talk to me for hours. He was picking my brain, you know what I'm saying? And, you know, I explained to him, you know, how I perceived the things. But what got me out of the game was pimps up holes down. Wow. See, when they came to me, they said, you know, here's X amount of money. Checking me a thousand. I ended up going with 80 times that plus, you know, the movie ending with me plus credits on the movie. Cause I didn't know nothing about the movie but I understood life. You know what I'm saying? I mean life, let me know that these motherfuckers coming, they talking about their HBO. If y'all really HBO, give me this money. If you really HBO, I need credits. If you really HBO, give me permission to shoot my own movie. That's that movie, Pepology. Yeah. That's the same footage of pimps up holes down. If you look at it, most of that's the same footage. So, you know what I'm saying? So they agreed to let me do it. So at this point, when I seen myself on TV, I'm pretty sure wrong, you know, he had a pimped of me too. When I seen myself on TV, I said, damn. My father was sitting there and he said, boy, you're a dumb motherfucker. You know what I'm saying? What you mean, Pa? He said, now you motherfucking know you, nigga. You know what I'm saying? So I was like, yeah, Pa, it's right. And then at that point, you know what I'm saying? I just started, you know, editing my movie, you know what I'm saying? And then I put my movie out and that's when I decided that I wanted to go out the game. So actually what happened wasn't abroad that I had. I sent it to North Dakota to a dance spot, but it's really a little whole spot. You know, and what they do, they dance and then the tricks meet them at the hotel after they dance, you know. So she had about 7,000. I told her to send the money and she was delaying on the sending the money. And she had my cat lag. So I was like, bam, you know, what's wrong with this bra? You know what I mean? It was probably for eight years. She ain't never did this. And so she didn't do nothing. And then so I called her daddy. I said, look here, man. I said, man, if she don't give me my motherfucking car, man, I'm gonna get it like Mike Tyson got his. We gonna fight for us. You know what I'm saying? I need my motherfucking car. I said, she can have that trap. And she can give it to any little nigga she want to give it to them. They gave me the car, I sold the car and I bought 5,000 dollars worth of DVDs. I sold them, I sold 5,000 off of DVDs in 30 days. I made a hundred bands and I ain't stopped selling DVDs since. That's why people, when they be like, Ken, you know, nigga, I ain't put a DVD. Y'all can call me a DVD, a man, whatever you want to call me, nigga. I said, nigga, anytime I could do something for a small amount of money. It made 1900% profit. You know what I'm saying? And be famous and can use my fame to get paid. Say a lot of niggas use their fame to be seen and be in the VIP and be special. I use my fame to sell DVDs. So I made a lot of money. So that's what made me say, fuck the game. You know what I'm saying? But I'm gonna be honest with you. The bitches never let me say, fuck the game. Cause you know what I mean? You know, you got still, you know, if you got a top 10 list of pimping, right? You know, my name is somewhere on that list. So, so, so the bitches is still looking for that top 10 nigga. You know what I'm saying? So a lot of bitches know bad white holes. You know what I'm saying? You know, chose up. You know what I, you know, I had so many bitches trying to fuck with me. I need the baseball bet to get them hard. So no bitch, you don't qualify. Bam. You know what I'm saying? I had to get them up off me because they would just sweat me that hard. And a lot of black bitches always love me. So they always try to fuck with me. So even though I was out the game, they still want to come to me, you know what I'm saying? So, you know what I'm saying? I understand why Rome say he got out the game. Bro, let me ask you this, bro. Favorite car, man, cause you done had a bunch up, man. I gotta ask you that. You know, we love our toys, man. Man, your favorite car ever. I asked you this before. Well, I asked Ken how many cars, but back in the days, you know, y'all went through them cars like crazy. Well, I guess I would say my favorite car was that Bentley. The Bentley? Yeah, it was the most comfortable, yeah. So you was driving Bentley for a nigga while you were even getting them Bentley. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. You first. You pulled up. Right. Yeah. Yeah. What about this, man? That nigga used to pull up real slow, man. He was the coolest motherfucker ever, man. He pulled up slow. It's like, I mean, like, man, is that the speed limit? He pulled up, man, doing about four miles an hour. Damn. Hey, he look up, he fixes his tie. Right. You know, he jacket slacks, I said, this nigga cool as a motherfucker. So, did you get flagged from there? Or they just accepted the white boys, the bullies, everybody back then, they accepted it. You made them accept it? I mean, when I first got it, when I first got it, I remember pulling out the house. Man, and get up to the stop, get ready to make the turn. And I see a cop go past, and it seemed like his face was actually in his window looking at me. Damn. So I went ahead and make the left, and I'm suited, I'm getting ready to go out. And I make the left, and by that time, he didn't hit his brake lights and jumped in the left lane. Now he's gonna make a turn, a U-turn. So he can double back and jump behind me. And his excuse for pulling me over was the fact that I didn't have a front license plate. And with those type billings, they didn't even come where you could put a license plate on the front of it. Hey, this nigga had the time. That's illegal. For him to, if there ain't no holes in there, I learned that from my partner. They can't make you put no license plate on there. That was his excuse. This nigga had the kind of bitches, right? You don't even think he gonna send me the silk club on a blade. I mean, he has some insipid ass bitches. I miss like, I'm like, man, you like, I know these holes, I don't see these holes on the blade. I don't see these holes in the strip club. Where these holes be? Why do you need money? And see with me, I always kept a program where I didn't, you know, I don't smoke weed or nothing like that. And I didn't have a lot of my brawls to smoke, do no drugs, no nothing, you know what I'm saying? How did, where was the place? Where, how did they, how did they even know, if they wasn't on the blade or on the track? Well, well, you know, like I say, I mean, I started out on the track and then I got away from it once I got turned on to how to get that money out these yellow pages and off these phones and whatnot. And they used to call straight up out the yellow pages for me. Straight up out the yellow pages. Boy, that's hell, right? That's a, that's before, before internet. This is straight up out the yellow page. It wasn't hard either. And as far as, as far as my, my phones, all my phones used to run in a circle. All my girls phones used to run in a circle. Your phone ringing, you don't catch it. It's gonna bounce to the next phone. So on and so on, it go in a big circle so everybody got actually getting money. Wow. Man, that boy read them books, locked up. He read and took it to a whole another level. Hey, him, that's why I wanted to call it. Him and Carla, they was the top of the line. And see, and see, then you, you avoid all the, all the fuckery that come with it with girls being out of pocket and, you know, niggas hitting they line and shit like that. Because you didn't have to worry about that because the next bitch's gonna tell them the bitch's out of pocket. Cause if she missed the call, it's gonna roll over to her. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? Wow. Man, so, man, that's, that's, that's wild. Man, you got all the good shit, man. No, I got y'all over it. You saw my interview, man. You already, you already kicking it. You kicked it already, man. You know that kicking it hard, you hear? You got all the good shit out of it. Roll was laid back, now he, now he popping that shit out. Oh, yeah. Y'all boys, man, like I said, isn't it? I mean, you know, I heard the story about Fieldmore where he took five girls on the blog and all, was it five? His first stream? His first stream. He said that, that was the second stream. He said that wasn't even first stream. But that was a true story. Yeah, yeah, you know, Fieldmore, that's my guy. We gonna be in about a month. Shout out to Fieldmore, man. I just wanna say this, man, you know, the shit Ron was doing was on a whole other level. It was different than everybody. I mean, I know, like I said, I got one part of the man that played golf and, you know, got mansions and shit. You know what I'm saying? I got two part, I got another part of down in Miami, man. He got like 40 bitches. You know what I'm saying? The only person I know that got more of it and they all work in the strip club. You know what I'm saying? He owned the club. He owned the strip club. And they some gorgeous bitches, you know, everybody knows what he does. I ain't gotta say the name. But you know what I'm saying? The way they doing, the way they did it, you know, it's just a different level of operation. You know, I mean, when I look at Ron, if he wanted to run a Fortune 500 company, I think he could have, you know what I'm saying? Because the way he ran his operation, the way he carried himself, you know, it was far more distinguished than the average person. You know what I'm saying? And I acknowledged that and I knew it's that, you know what I'm saying? And I know, you know, the other guys, you know, a lot of guys, they want to be on the track. You know, they want their holes, you know, right up and down the cars, waving tricks down and doing all that shit. That's cool. That's old Harry Hines. That's cool. But you know, I mean, you got a motherfucker spending a hundred thousand dollars on a player's ball. Like Ron did and get everybody sweets, not hotels, but sweets and everybody living good. Everybody, you know, eating good. Everybody drinking good. You know, that's another level of the game. You know what I'm saying? I know a lot of guys, but you know, I don't think too many niggas, you know what I'm saying? Did it like Ron did it, you know what I'm saying? And niggas say, I'm the greatest. But you know what I'm saying? I take my head out to my man, because my man, you know, he did it on such a level and it was so smooth. You know, it wasn't ghetto, it wasn't country. You know, it wasn't, you know, like everybody love to clown, you know what I'm saying? Pimp, but don't nobody want to take the clown home. Ron was the type of dude that his girls probably say, hey, I'm thinking about marrying him one day. Cause you know what I'm saying? He was that clean cut, you know what I'm saying? Me and that conservative with the pimping, you know what I mean? And I never saw that until I seen him. And like he said, I didn't even know the phones ran in circles. You know what I'm saying? All that shit, that was high tech gang. Yeah, yeah. You know what I'm saying? So you have gang. Well, see that, that eliminate a lot of, a lot of out of pocketness and shit, you know what I'm saying? Because you know, like I said, you're gonna have some bronze that's gonna be more loyal to you than others. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? But making them motherfucking phones and that phone call circulate, you don't need to tell it a tape. You're gonna find out what's happening. Wow. And everybody ain't gonna do it on that level. You know what I'm saying, Ron? Yeah, exactly. No, not everybody, man. Like I said. I ain't do it on that level. You didn't do it on that level? Well, my system was, you know, the gratuities. Remember I told you about that? Yeah, yeah, yeah. So my browser was running tricks up, you know, through gratuities at the strip club. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So I get 10, 15,000, I was getting money. You just did it a different way. But I didn't have 17 bitches. You know what I mean? You're still getting the money though. When I had 16 bitches, I was ghetto pivot. I was on the blade, I was on the track, you know what I'm saying? I wanted niggas to see the bitches. I wanted, you know, everybody have, you know, pivot king and Ken Ivy on the tattoos on the arms, you know, hey, I fuck with Ken Ivy. I wanted to be known for pivot back then. But when I got into the game and I started, you know, one of my brothers had a master's degree. I got into that type of pivot, you know what I'm saying? I could say that that's something similar to what Ron was doing. When I got on that level, you know what I'm saying? It was too late. You know what I'm saying? When I was young, I might've would've put 30 bitches in a strip club. You know what I'm saying? But, you know, I don't know if anybody that would tell you Ron might agree with me on this. Women, you know, can be debilitating. You know what I'm saying? I mean, just the nagging and the confusion and the arguing and all that stuff. You know what I'm saying? Hey man, that shit will drain you, right? So if anybody like this, when you multiply that in multiples by five and by 10 and by 15, you know what I'm saying? You become, it's like a boxer. You get hit so much, you just become, you know, you don't want to be in the ring no more because you're tired of getting hit, even though you winning. Floyd Mayweather, you know what I'm saying? I don't give a fuck how many fights he winning. He get tired of, you know, them close calls, you know? Because Pacquiao hit his ass pretty hard. The other dude hit his ass pretty hard here. He had about four or five of them dead. What's that dude named? The black, Jav Judah hit his ass pretty hard. So you know what I'm saying? Well, take that and put that in the context of the game. You know what I mean? One woman, you know what I'm saying? She might be, everybody might be in parking, but you got one woman that's just full of noise, always complaining, always the negative energy. You know what I'm saying? And you talking to her 24 hours because she's really trying to get your attention. So she gonna act up and she know that's gonna take you away from your business and your other whole is gonna be, you know, cool because they already, you know, they know what they're here to do. There's one bitch and you get two of them and three of them and you do that over a succession of time and years, you become desensitized. You're like, man, fuck this shit. You know what I'm saying? It ain't be like that. You just can't help no more. This is, can you as an older man keep going through that stressful moments? You know what I'm saying? And that's really what happened to me. So by the time I got to where I really had some good game, you know, like Rome, you know, with his little system, you know what I'm saying? You know, his sister was a little bit better than mine. You know what I'm saying? With bitches, you know, they got, you know, you know, shoes on their mind. What do you think about dudes that is like on a strongest pimp game in this stage of life? At 48 to 60, what do you think about dudes like that? Well, I asked you first, Rome, but I want to hear from you too. Well, I mean, I tell any man, you can't never wake no career out of pimpin, you know? I mean, you know, when you go to thinking about just the longevity of, you know, just being able to reinvent yourself and, you know, like I say, you know, what I've learned at my age now is, you know, being in that game, I missed out on a lot. Wow. You know what I'm saying? Because I'm seeing things and opportunities out there now. Big money, money making opportunities. Yeah. That I never even thought about when I was locked in that game. Because your mind was straight focused on the game. Exactly. What about you? What's the question? The question is like for a man that would be doing at the level y'all talking about when y'all were young men, for that guy to see that level now at 48 to 60 and be able to, how would he deal with something like that now? You know, the younger women on the track, trying to keep up with all that stuff y'all did as a young man. You know, you know, a guy, right, that's Mary, right? You know, he got a wife, you know what I'm saying? He say, man, I'm tired of this nagging ass bitch. You know what I'm saying? All she does is run her fucking mouth. And you know what I'm saying? I'm done with this relationship. Then you meet a pretty young lady, right? And you know what I mean? Y'all get a little conversation going. Then she become a nagging ass bitch. Man, fuck that. I might as well just stay with my wife. You know what I'm saying? So you know what I'm saying? You know, I think what happens is after a period of time, you know, like I said, you know, I'll give you some good game. This is a free game. You know what I'm saying? I'll talk about this on behalf. You know, man have two levels, right? You got your reasoning faculties, which is here. And then you got your emotional faculty, which is here. 95% of the shit we do is on impulse. You know, you walking on impulse. You know what I'm saying? You don't count your steps. You eat on impulse. You don't count your measure. You know, everything you do when you move, look, that's impulse. So that's 95% of the shit that we do. But it's a reasoning faculty too. That's your conscious level. You know what I'm saying? So when you look at a ox, right? A ox is one of the strongest. You know how they say strongest ox. But if you took a gun and you put it up to a ox head, like you're gonna hunt him and you're a hunter, that ox don't have enough reasoning faculty to understand that he's about to be hunted. So he's gonna become some ox tails. You understand what I'm saying? You know what I'm saying? I mean, you look at a lion, who's the most ferocious lion animal in the kingdom. He's notorious. You know what I'm saying? I mean, everybody is scared of the lion. And everybody know that the lion can be detrimental to their existence, right? And that's why the gazelle, every morning he'd get up to run faster than the lion. He don't get up to live. He get up to run faster than the lion or the tiger, because the lion is ferocious. But the lion is impulsive. If you put a steak or a cow, half a cow in a cage, that lion, every time we're going in that cage and devour that half a cow because of the smell of blood in his impulse, he don't know they're gonna pull the cage down, he gonna become a zoo animal. You know what I'm saying? But we have the ability to reason, oh, oh man, he's gonna shoot me. Let me duck. Oh man, going in that cage, that's a trap. You know, they ain't fit to trap me in that cage, but these two animals, the strongest, I don't wanna show them the ox or the lion, don't have the capacity to think. So it was a guy by the name of John Legend. I mean, not John, John Blunt. So John Blunt was a great English financier. You know what I'm saying? What he did was he created this company called The Sea Company. And what this company did, it had all the kings, all the people in England invested. It was so profitable that this lady, she was once a maid and she was working for this lady and she was at like a symphony or a plate, a Shakespeare plate. And she was sitting in the VIP balcony. The lady used to work, was sitting on the floor. She looked and said, how the hell did you get up there? She said, I invested with John Blunt. So it's a guy by the name of Sir Isaac Newton. You know who that is? So he's come up with a dear relativity, gravity and all that stuff. He invested in John Blunt's company, right? So he invested 7,000 pounds. He got a multiple of three. He got 21,000 pounds back. He said, what goes up must come down. That's his theory, right? What goes up must come down. But he went back into the investment and he lost everything and became impoverished at 70. He said, I would never allow my emotions to supersede my intelligence. Wow. His emotion was based on greed. So you understand me? A lot of times, you know, we have to make intelligent decisions. You know what I'm saying? We're dealing with people. We're dealing with women. We have a collective. You know, we have a collective of experience. We have things that we didn't been through that tell us that, you know, if I do this, this, this, this, this, that and the other, I'm gonna get this result. So you know what I'm saying? We learn from our experience, you know? And that's what happens. So you know what I'm saying? A lot of times when you use your reasoning faculty, you'll realize that, you know, hey man, you know, you got intelligent IQ, IQ, intelligent quotient, and then you got EQ, emotional quotient. So you got to be emotionally sharp as well as so. Emotionally sharp would be if Rome came up to me and said, bitch ass, stick with me. Emotionally, I have to say, don't be impulsive. This thing is tripping. Rome tripping. I'm not for to fight him. You know what I'm saying? I'm not for to argue with him because I can't win the argument because from a distance don't nobody know who's the fool. Him and I, they just know we argue. So you know what I'm saying? I mean, you know, that's the intelligence you develop in the game. And that's why you don't see me pivoting. Not because I can't do it. It's because I have a collective. I have a series of experience that allows me and precludes me from going back into that lifestyle. Wow, wow. You say there was a lot of opportunity out here. A lot of stuff that you couldn't see when you was in the game. And I just want to get into some of the things that you've been venturing into after, you know, getting out of the game, like whether it be whatever the business may be, the entrepreneurship is in you guys. It's really entrepreneurship. They're like me being a hustler in the streets. It's really, it's something inside of you that you know how to deal with people well. It's just entrepreneurship and you spend it a different way. What did you spend it to? Well, I mean, the thing is is just, you know, being away from it, man, and just having, you know, just a moment of solitude, just to really just reflect, man, and concentrate on myself. You know, what used to be important to me back then is non void now, you know, it's not important to me anymore. What's important to me now, man, is just being wealthy and healthy and, you know, financially stable, you know, in regards to real world wealth, you know, you know, hustling all your life, you know, you don't have a 401k or a retirement plan or anything of that nature. So, once you reach a certain age, you start thinking like, thinking in terms of, okay, well, I got to hurry up and get something stacked, get something up under the kitty, you know, and so my thing is I've always been into, you know, building businesses and things of that nature. So my thing now is back when I was in the game and, you know, owning the nightclub and the restaurants and all that stuff, you know, I wasn't, I had the money and I really didn't take it as serious as I do now with the knowledge that I got now, you know what I'm saying? Because now I'm thinking in terms of more solidarity and establishment. Yeah, sustainability. Yeah, exactly. So you really come to trucks and all types of things. Well, I mean, I got a trucking company. Yeah, I got a trucking company. I got a, you know, I got a trucking company that's been in existence since 2009. So that's been doing pretty good. I'm also just now starting to get off into, I'm looking to start buying duplexes. Okay. Buying houses and doing, Real estate. Yeah, getting into the real estate and also getting into the commercial. I'm actually looking for a building right now on the commercial side. Wow, that's good stuff. I was doing that too. We counting in a buyer's, is we in a buyer's market right now? It's changing right now. It's changing. And I think one of my mentors told me the thing to do is just to always keep up on what the price is when it's good so you know when it go bad what the price is. Yeah, you buy when the market go bad. Correct. Correct. Because a lot of foreclosures are available. Correct. That's true. I tell you a good investment that I'm investing in is trailer partners. Yeah. You get them for about 10,000 and the Europeans, the white people, the poor white people pay you $1,000 a month. Wow. So you can pay for them in 10 months and then you're profitable after 10 months. And that ain't bad. Yeah, and I got five in Cane, Texas right here. That's why I come to Texas a lot. I ain't here for nothing. That boy peeping kids and I'm here for a reason. Ro, I just was trying to get you out, get that business side out of you before we got off here because the people really, you know, at the end of the day we know already that your entrepreneurship spirit, Pimp and Ken, Ken Ivey, as my boy called, y'all, it's T-Boy, that's Ken Ivey here. He doesn't run it in the ground, man. Ken Ivey, Ken Ivey. Ken Ivey, man, he be on it, just get here. But that's hard, but the people that you've introduced me to, man, it's just been phenomenal, you know what I mean? And it's crazy how much you're always trying to help and give and connect the dots, man. I gotta say that on him. Pimp and Ken's something different, man. And like I said, when he brought you on that, I got jealous, man. Let's think of them on the top, this nigga, this nigga, right here. Let's see, you know, your show is so phenomenal, right? And you know, you cross so many barriers. What I wanted to do, you know, and that's probably why I was able to get the right information out of, I want to bring encouragement from a different perspective, right? Yeah, yeah. So I know this man, everybody that was in this room, I know him personally, right? Yeah, yeah. So I know they got stories, you know, that's got triumph on the end of it, you know what I'm saying? So a lot of times, you know, I try to, you know, bring that side to the game. I did it with my DVDs. Now I want to do it on the podcast, you know? And then, you know, at the same time, you know, I want them to, you know, be able to express that with you. You know what I'm saying? If you come here and Martini can say something to you and it can come to, you know, to hunt us later on the positive side, then, you know, that's proof positive, you know what I'm saying? So, you know, that's how I move, man. I don't never think, man, I'm gonna keep, I'm gonna hog all this to myself, you know what I'm saying? I'm gonna hog in the game. Because, you know, as you move in life, you know what I mean? You realize that, you know, what's for you is for you. You know, there's no coincidence, there's no accidents. You know what I'm saying? Everything is pretty much predestined. You know, that's how I move, man. I don't, you know, I don't trip on that little small shit, man. You know what I mean? You've definitely been a blessing to me for show ever since I started this podcast. I've had him on here. I always mess with him. I get him on here. I know, you know, when he do come, if somebody here, I'll bring him on or I'll bring me on me in. I'm just trying to make sure I get them stories because I know he got them stories. And, man, I just want to say, man, you know, the whole game with you, man, being able to transition the way you are doing now and bring this thing to a whole head. If people, in the end of the day, when everything's said and done, what do you want your children and your family to remember you by? I want them to remember me by being a hard-working, successful man, you know. I mean, I'm a man before, I've always been a man before I was anything. And that's just how I've always carried myself. Wow. You know, like I say, with my boys, man, you know, just instilling that integrity in them, you know. And just being a stand-up man, you know. And then, you know, like I say, you know. You know. Ain't nothing like it, is it? Wilson, Wilson is something else, man. Wilson pops at the end like crazy. I mean, man, you know, it's crazy because, I mean, you asked me that question. And there's so much I want to say and it's all been barred me at once. You know what I'm saying? Because it's something about your legacy, you know. And as Ice-T was talking about the legend, everybody gonna remember Rome through that big party. But really, you know, Rome, you know, it's another side of the Rome, you know. It's that side where he wanna impact his family. He talks about generational wealth. He talking about health and all that stuff is serious, man. And those are the things you wanna be able to, your children and your family to remember about you, you know. Let me tell you something, man. You know, I don't know if you know it, but I'm a single father. Wow. Yeah, I take, I got four children. Got four kids. That I take care of solely by myself. No child support from no bitch, no nothing. Wow. You understand? That's heavy. And I'm raising them by myself. You understand? That's me. And I'm getting blessed every day, man. Wow. Man, I think that's, that's stand up. You don't see it much, but when I do, I value it. Yeah. You know what I value? I value it because you a black man. And most people think a brother don't take care of his kids. That's what I'm saying. Shit. But a lot of times they ain't looking the right way cause I'm here standing strong. You see my daughter on it the other day. Hey, I'm still trying to get an ROI. A return on my investment? Man, I spent so many millions. I spent so many kids to college. I'm so many birthdays at Christmas. Man, that shit is expensive. Wow. And you're right, man. It's very expensive, man. I just was looking at that check. They gave my daughter the other day that UT gave her. That ain't even the crops of it. We still got some more to go. You know what I'm saying? Even though they gave her 50 grand, I'm right at. What did you give her? Another 50 for her academics, so for UT. Then I still got to put 50 on top of that. Really, when you talk about, you know, this room and board and staying on the, that shit, I said, my little son, little Kenny, you know, I told you about Sunday that's in that movie All American. Yeah. He's number 14. He's a quarterback in there. I sent him to college, you know, man, we spent so much money. That shit never stopped. Then he always, he always had some game. They had my car broke down. They had this, they had that. And I'm like, man, you know what I'm saying? What's up? You know what I'm saying? But man, you know, but it pays off. It pays off, man. Hey, man, thank you for coming on the show, man. Hey, man, we love you, old man. That's all good. Kid, man, you my guy, man. Stop playing. You already know, man. Hey, man, we love you. Say it, man. Say it, man. It's been another great day with a boss talk. What a what? What a boss is told. Exactly.