 Everybody else got a packet the mail besides John. I got to you got to come on That's you got jobs. I got to matter of fact the mailbox was so stuffed Thank you You guys are ready Great good Welcome everybody to the town of Wilson's Development Review Board for Tuesday June 25. We're gonna bring the meeting to order at 7 0 2 Five items on the agenda for tonight Any issues that anybody wishes to address the board that aren't on the agenda Okay First up is DP 14 dash 0 1.2 Michael for Joe ratio for a Joe boy. I killed that one Welcome if you would State your name and your even though I just stated it you get to state it again and your address Mike Frazier 2318 Oak Hill Road three Staff gets to go first So this is an application for a discretionary permit to amend the conditions of subdivision approval From a subdivision known as the reared and beers Connolly subdivision on Oak Hill Road. The proposed amendment is to amend the location The subdivision was originally approved as SUV 0 6-0 6 It received renewed growth management allocation under DP 14-01 and The building envelope was slightly relocated under approval by the DRB in 2017 This is a Relocation of similar scale and impact on the project Planning staff is recommending approval of the relocation with some specific comments The proposed use which is single-family residential remains unchanged on the parcel The minimum lot size in this district is 15,000 square feet with a maximum allowed density of one unit per 80,000 square feet the change in the building envelope will remain in compliance with those standards In terms of setbacks landscaping and buffering the new building envelope will provide all of the minimum setbacks that are required in the ARZD the Agro zoning district, which is where we are The subdivision was in 2006 subject to the 75% Space requirements of the Williston zoning ordinance and interim open space regulations which eventually came became the Williston development by-law we have today Areas outside the building envelopes as altered will remain is permanently protected open space The size of the building envelope increases slightly from point seven three to point seven five acres But a minimum seventy five percent of the parent parcel will remain as open space This project did receive review from police fire public works and the conservation commission. There were no comments from the police department The only comment from public works was that they had no comment and the fire department's attached memo states that they have no requests at this time So this did also receive review as I mentioned from the conservation commission The conservation commission noted the following seventy five percent of the parent parcel shall remain as protected open space Relocation of the building envelope shall not impact any of the wooded portion of the parcel Shall not result in any clearing of forest The applicant shall maintain a buffer of existing planted existing or planted shrubs along the edge of the woods to provide cover for wildlife and Leave existing hedgerows intact for wildlife cover. So staff has taken those recommendations and added them to the boiler plate conditions of approval we recommend and I have for you a recommended set of findings of fact conclusions of law conditions of approval and a motion for approval prepared as part of the Michael would like to add to that Really not much. I basically am trying just to move it from the western Area of my of the current building envelope to more of an eastern area just so I can utilize the space better Having it in the back makes it difficult to get to it. My road comes in on the eastern side So it makes it convenient and being able to do that Questions from the board one question though to the Boil plate you've added he can still potentially cut some trees down if he needs firewood, right? So we do not regulate forestry activities under zoning similar to farming activities Discourses approved forestry practices do not require zoning permit. Okay, I just want to make sure that you weren't being Yep, unduly scrunched. I had asked that question before so, okay? Cool That's it for me Maybe you also you would like to add very close to hearing at 706 Okay, next up is a DP 19-11 Adams real properties LLC. We're gonna open that hearing up at 707 Welcome gentlemen's names and addresses for the record, please Jason Adams Adams real properties 207 Boyer Circle Doug Gulatt Lamarone Dickinson 14 Morse Drive Essex This is a request for a discretionary permit to subdivide a 41 point 42 acre parcel Into nine lots Construct a private road and construct a daycare facility on lot three The subdivision will create nine dwelling units a three-unit residential building on lot two and Six single-family dwellings on lots three through eight The undeveloped property is located south of Mountain View Road between Katie Lane and Hanon Drive in the residential zoning district Staff will note. There are a few minor features of the proposal that must be clarified or modified In order to achieve compliance with the bylaw Staff has pre-drafted conditions of approval and a motion for the board to retain final plan review We'll go over these changes as I go through the staff report. Most of them are clerical site plan modifications Project history this project received growth or pre-application review in December 2011 on December 11th 2018 The applicant has provided a response to the pre-application recommendations They have met with the fire department and the public works department They have responded to the conservation commission recommendations They reviewed growth management, they've provided a traffic study Most of the building envelopes have been modified outside the watershed protection buffers As we will discuss later lots one and two will need to be real relocated out of the watershed protection buffers and On page three the last pre-application recommendation The applicant shall explore a primitive path connecting Katie Lane to Hanon Drive The applicant explored this option and From the southern terminus point of Katie Lane north to Mountain v. Road private properties exist along the common line with the project parcel With one exception. There is a gap between two properties, which is wood lily HOA lands However, this gap aligns with the stream and associated a hundred foot stream buffer and class 2 wetlands For a path to extend from this location to Hanon Drive would result in a path running through the extensive class 2 wetland complex as Result the applicant does not feel this is a suitable area for a path, which would also require approval from the wood lily lily HOA If that last statement is true Or the position of the applicant does that change the scoring of the No project So as I'll get on to further On the site plan they are providing an easement along Mountain v. Road, so there will be that connection Yeah, so for the findings of fact the resident the project is proposing Residential dwellings a child care facility and open space. These are allowed uses in the RZD For subdivision the applicant proposes to subdivide the forty one point four two acres into nine lots Child care facility on lot one Three unit residential building on lot two single family dwellings on lots three through eight and 18.65 acres of open space on lot nine owned in common For access the applicant Proposes a new private road off Mountain v. Road to access the child care facility and eight residential dwellings Private driveway off hand and drive is proposed to access the single family dwelling on lot seven and in drive Mountain v. Roads are public roads For residential density the applicant is proposing nine total dwelling unit equivalents in the form of nine units with two or more bedrooms Basically a bed a one-bedroom or studio counts as a half dwelling unit So they're providing full dwelling units What follows is a table with the density calculations where constrained lands wetlands and muckland buffers and steep slopes are calculated out The total maximum allowable unit is 63. The applicant is proposing nine Lot size the proposed residential lots are in compliance the lot size requirements They range from seventeen point eleven acres to zero point two nine acres and The minimum lot size required for non-residential uses in the RZD For the daycare facility is also in compliance. We require twenty thousand square feet Or about half an acre and they're proposing 1.58 acres for the child care facility Growth management this project completed growth management on March 28 The project received a score of 31 points and eight units of allocation They have an inherent right to build one dwelling unit In February 2019 the by-law was changed so that in the first year your allocation becomes available in this case Fiscal year 2020 you can build all of your units regardless of what fiscal year column they're in So they have two units for the next four fiscal years and they can begin construction on all units July 1st of this year The growth management score they received 31 points The staff review of how this discretionary permit proposal meets that score is provided Documentation must be shown when they pull permits to construct an issue when we issue a final certificate for energy conservation The applicant is providing neighborhood space in the form of a cul-de-sac At growth management a bench or garden space was discussed The board might need to decide if that's something that should be shown on the site plan sidewalks and paths The applicant proposes sidewalks and a crosswalk on the private road in compliance with chapter 13 Along Mountain View Road the applicant proposed a 15-foot easement for future path or sidewalk This rope will include a primitive unimproved path connecting the Woodlily neighborhood To Brennan Park to satisfy the DRB pre-application recommendation number 8 The applicant proposes a paved pedestrian path that connects the cul-de-sac sidewalk to Brennan Park The path is proposed on lot 9 open space Public work comments request the path be paved Which is counter to the conservation Commission recommendation number 4 stating that it should be a primitive trail Staff recommends that the path be paved in order to uphold the growth management score of 10 out of 10 points for 1185 the criteria on build paths and trails The DRB may decide to remove or modify the Williston Conservation Commission recommendation number 4 Open space The applicant proposes an 18.65 acre open space parcel which complies with chapter 39 Unlike the ARZD, there is no quantitative minimum required for the open space Conservation in the residential zoning district However chapter 39 notes that proposed developments must generally be consistent with Williston's goal of creating compact walkable neighborhoods While conserving open space Wetlands waterways and core habitat a habitat disturbance assessment and wetlands delineation have been provided The subject parcel contains a stream wetlands and deer wintering area These areas as well as required watershed protection buffers are identified on the site plan The proposed project is not anticipated to impact any rare threatened or endangered species unique natural communities farmlands of importance or special flood hazard areas Building envelopes on lots one and two are shown to be within the wetland buffer per chapter 29 Watershed protection buffers must remain undeveloped mowing or cutting of vegetation is prevent prohibited Draft covenants must be provided at final plans ensuring the protection of the watershed buffers The wetland buffer demarcation is identified on the site plan, but the materials have not been specified Staff recommends fencing as opposed to boulders to prevent encroachment staff has drafted conditions of approval The wooded portion of lot seven contains a wetland and associated watershed protection buffers as well as a state mapped Deer wintering area is within a significant wildlife habitat area Building envelope on lost seven must be adequately delineated to prevent encroachment into the wetland and deer wintering area The board must decide if an additional Recommendation is condition is necessary to ensure the protection of the deer wintering area and wetland on lots seven setbacks in landscaping Chapter 23 requires that the proposed residential and commercial use be buffering buffered from the neighboring properties Landscaping provided along the periphery of the parent parcel is either a 50-foot type one buffer or street trees and complies with the bylaw The daycare facility on lot one is providing street trees along the north and west parcel boundaries and Type three informal planting spuffer along the Brennan Park parcel boundary No landscape buffer is proposed on the southern boundary where lot one of butts lot nine open space The board must decide if a condition of approval is necessary Street trees the applicant proposes street trees for lots one and two along Mountain View Road Along the new private road in compliance with chapter 26 Parking lot landscaping is provided on lot one in compliance with chapter 23 five Parking parking at the residential properties is compliant with the requirements of chapter 14 for single and multifamily dwellings The project does generate a requirement for parking on lot one for the daycare facility Parking requirements and willison are expressed as both a minimum and a maximum They can either be increased or reduced through various means allowed in chapter 14 such as use of transit shared parking Pervious pavement etc a child care center with 59 students Generates 21 required parking spaces the applicant has provided 23 Two more spaces than required per chapter 14 Developments may increase the number of permitted off-street parking spaces by 15% by using porous pavement for a majority of all vehicular spaces In this case 15% of 21 spaces is three parking spaces The applicant is showing that they'll be providing outdoor parking and long-term Spaces they'll need to be identified on final plans as well as the end-of-trip facilities for the daycare Staff has dropped in a condition of approval Traffic a traffic study has been provided as required by the DRB Administrative permit applications for the dwellings and child care facility must be accompanied by traffic impact fees Outdoor lighting outdoor lighting is proposed for the child care facility in compliance with chapter 24 What follows is a table comparing their lighting plan to our standards Water and wastewater the applicant proposes connections to town water and sewer specifications have been provided Department of Public Works did not respond to the request for comments But their sign-off is required on final plans checklist as well as to connect to town facilities Site maintenance snow storage is shown in on the site plan in compliance with chapter 16.6 a Dumpster enclosure is shown But final plans must specify screening and a concrete pad per chapter 16.7 a condition of approval has been drafted A master sign plan is not required for a single tenant commercial building and lastly this Project is not subject to design review This project was reviewed by the commenting departments Police and public works did not respond and the fire department memo dated May 27th is attached to this report and adopted as a condition of approval No comment letters or emails were received at the time of packet mail-out June 20th from the public The conservation commission reviewed the application And their recommendations are drafted as conditions of approval On lot 7 development shall be restricted to a defined building envelope to protect the significant wildlife habitat in wetlands Number two watershed protection buffers must be clearly demarcated on final plans and marked on the ground with planting fencing or boulders Three construction of roads and infrastructure Shall occur in conformance with a professionally prepared runoff and erosion control plan That has been included with this application and number four the path connection to Brennan Park Shall initially be constructed as a primitive path With a right for the applicant or the town to reconstruct it as a paved multi-use path in the future as needed That's the recommendation that the board will need to consider in comparison to public works comments And I believe earlier. I said that public works did not respond to the comments. They Provided follow-up after this packet mail-out was sent Recommend to action staff recommends that the DR approved DRB approved this discretionary permit with findings of fact conclusions of law and conditions of approval Staff has drafted a motion where the DRB retains approval of final plans We I've pre drafted some conditions But the board may decide an additional condition is required for the following the landscape buffer along the southern parcel boundary of lot 1 and the building envelope delineation and lot 7 That thank you What did you say that public works did send in a After the fact not included with our packets I Believe so because or it may have been the pre application one Turned around my mind, but they want the path to be paved and conservation Commission Wants the path to be gravel It was reviewed at pre-app and growth management as being a paved path so that's something for the board to consider Gentlemen, I just have a couple things. So you had a lot on your agenda I don't remember Doug great dog Why don't you go through those items and then we'll pick up we'll pick up any areas where you have So I have two things The Recommended actions on page nine With the grits that landscape buffer Along the southern parcel boundary of lot one. So lot one is is the child care lot right here We're providing street trees along Mountain View street trees along the proposed new road landscaped area on the east side of the building we would ask that a Buffer landscape buffer not be provided along the southern boundary of lot one. It's it's not along the perimeter of the project Hard to see but there's existing Vegetation along the wetland buffer here. There's also quite a lot of vegetation in this area. So If it's a function of screening between these two properties, we really feel the existing vegetation Satisfies that to that goal Secondly just a nitpicky thing but the conservation committee offers three different options for delineating the wetland buffer in people's backyards Plantings fencing or boulders what we propose to the wetlands office is actually something that actually tells people What's happening is a four by four post with a small placard that says wetland buffer do not disturb We just feel that boulders and plants and fences don't give any indication of what? They mean especially after a house is sold more than once the second homeowners probably don't don't have any knowledge of the meaning of a boulder in their backyard right so on lot on lot two It really encroaches into the building envelope Correct to the well and buffer the buffer encroaches into the building envelope correct quite a bit So we've in our grading and we've actually pulled that building forward. We're proposing a walkout Design on the on the back or west side of that building and our grading plans Respect the wetland buffer so there will be no encroachment into the wetland buffer at all in that lot So moving the building envelope to follow the wetland buffer isn't is not an issue we just Sort of arbitrarily you're so you're you're gonna you're going to you're proposing a Some form of specific grading plan to that will be Pretty pretty clearly identifying one side or the other. It's in your packet. It's already done So what we'll do is modify The building envelope on to to follow the wetland buffer and not encroach into it. So, you know any future Sheds or additions or anything, you know going back to the the plans it would indicate that the building envelope Is restricted by the wetland buffer Right now. They're they're basically just drawn at the at the required setbacks. We didn't catch Make sure they should have been modified to follow the wetland buffers, which they were on the other residential lots Just do we have a plan that shows that been building envelope not encroaching on the wetland buffer? No Final plans will reflect that You're saying you would just pull the building envelope line towards the building Correct correct, we're talking about the rear rear setback line Rear being Western Yeah, the board feel about posts with signs on them I've seen them around in other areas that are using them and actually they do get your attention Instead of the boulders if you hope you go over by Costco's now in that area through there They have those signs and they stand right up really good and how many are how often how frequently you put those in I'm not sure they're showing on your plans They might have been a newer version of the plan sent to wetlands, but Generally at any angle point, so there'll be a placard. So you basically would connect the dots between each sign post Straight line between each would be the wetland buffer And they need to be close enough that you actually note as you approach them that it's Indicating a line. I mean, it's a straight line all the way across and you just put one on either end How easy is it to pull these out of the ground Or to run into them with a lawnmower. Well, yeah, they're you know four by four I think to design is three feet in the ground and three or four feet above ground. So I Don't know depends how hard you want to work at it, but I mean, I don't just necessarily disagree with you that Sounds like a great idea. I just know that if someone's It's easier to remove one of those than to move one of those boulders They don't last forever for sure nor does a fence or a plant and yeah, Iraq probably won't be moved There's no perfect way I Our goal is to try to educate, you know, everybody that is living there that there's wetland buffers just by and then Be preserved in their memory. Hopefully The proposal for this is the same on the on the building envelope for four lot one with the daycare as well as lot two Right the wetland buffer just slightly encroaches over that southern line. So I'm not one And the building envelope as shown is parallel to the property line So that would be modified to go around have a Curve that follows just inside the or outside the wetland buffer So So public works is suggesting the primitive path be paved Or it becomes a it no longer becomes a primitive path. It becomes a right. It was shown as a paved path. I believe that Pre-application It's the one that runs parallel to the driveway of lot eight Williston desired trail map shows a primitive path in roughly that area showed Since then and then just last week at the conservation committee they Which I agree with them, but it seems like it's gonna kind of stand out and they would rather see a primitive so we were had some back and forth and thought well, we started as primitive and then Depending on the use we can So you're depending on which way the board goes with it. You're not going to a second of Bob you one way or another Okay, I Would say that I think you know there is some great on that path. So a gravel path is not a good option I think you'd have a lot of wash out and such as opposed to a primitive path, which would probably not have erosional issues That is not in the the path is not in the wetland area, correct I want to make sure the last thing I want to do is put a path in the wetland and had the Town plowing it and throwing salt in there. Can you talk a little more about the path? There were the easement. I guess it's between Katie Lane and Or I Wasn't following that because I couldn't really see it on the plan, right? So There was one comment, you know going back to try to Determine if there was a way to get somewhere from Katie Lane over to Hannon and Of course, we've got this deer Management area deer wintering area here on lots seven fairly substantial Which wouldn't be conducive to putting a you know a path and promoting a lot of foot traffic there So we started you know working our way up and as Emily read in the report the only gap unless we tried to get Easements for from private properties along Katie Lane is this gap right here of HOA land Which is there primarily because there's a stream in wetland in that location. So that's really The only spot to get from Katie and that doesn't that's a long way for me in and drive obviously so What we proposed is a 15-foot easement for future paths along Mountain View Road sidewalks whatever they want to do and And certainly a primitive path could be developed just by people walking along the Basically the Mountain View Road tow of slow Which gets them to the sidewalk along the new road which the sidewalk goes all the way up to the cul-de-sac And then they can take the path Into the Brennan Woods fields So that's that's the proposal at this point. We're not proposing to actually construct anything along Mountain View Road Just to be clear Yes, I'm just I guess my question Remains is where is that easement? Is that easement indicated on these plans? Yeah, it's on the at least on the property plat if not on sheet It's shown on sheet to but not labeled on sheet to the very last page the property But the property plat clearly shows the easements and such It's labeled as proposed 15 foot wide non motorized pedestrian easement to town of Williston So it's 15 feet south of the right of way of Mountain View Road Staff recommends fencing as opposed to boulders prevent encroachment right as opposed to signposts All right, and then lots seven so we're adequately delineating the only the The lot in the building envelope to prevent encroachment So that is a so that's an awfully big building envelope So as the staff suggesting that the entire building envelope be delineated I mean, it's a pretty big space Probably not the whole thing, but maybe the corner that might be a good location for a four by four placard So the southwest corner or the corners your wintering area, you know, isn't it obviously a very Defined it's just up into the edge of the woods the building envelope is near there so Some permanent Monumentation along the south side of the building envelope is what we're talking about Or signage or Jason do you envision the house that is you proposed to build in there to be about in the place where it is shown? Yeah, yeah, it's gonna we're gonna try to match the existing houses on Hannon You know given given the fact that there's a building envelope this size Really you could put it anywhere it would in that within that area Okay, any comments from the board anybody on the board have any comments about the Buffer on the south side of lot one assuming that the site plan is Drawn correctly. It doesn't appear that there's a fair amount of vegetation off just off that lot I Agree, okay good Paul you're all right with that under parking so You're asking for 20 23 you're you're approved for 21 In order to get 23 if I'm reading this correctly, you got to do one of three things Forest pavement or cut-to spaces and final plans Transit shared parking or the use of pervious pavement, right? Aren't options, so it's pretty much the pervious pavement is the only option Majority of the space so if you want 23 you need to come up with a Take your time The pervious is a is a it's pretty slick Maintenance every year though. Yeah. Yes. Yes Good good strong grass. They'll grow it'll grow there forever, especially your plant weeds. They'll be there forever All right, so we're cutting two spaces Got it. Okay. One thing if I can add that wasn't really highlighted in the in the staff report is a pre-app We were looking at a daycare facility for 120 kids. We've cut that in half. It's now down to 59 So I think there were some neighbors originally that you know had some concern to traffic and such so that'll be You know quite a bit reduced by by that. I would think you would need that anyways for the for the facility I Don't see anything on lighting that is out of whack other than that Parking lot illumination appears to be just a hair over the allowed amount. So we want to get that we want to get that in compliance 10th of a candle Yeah parking lot illumination they're showing 1.1 foot candles Yeah, staff practice has benefits within a margin of error Now the other aspect is most of these lights are going to be gone once the once the buildings closed down anyhow, right? The lights the lights are out So they did provide operational notes for the the dimming Yeah, so I mean like I said, so the big issue is you want you want it so that the people can see the Little tikes running around in me is parking lot when the cars are coming in And then that's out when everybody's out. So it's not a real Light pollution issue after the fact so site maintenance dumps a dumpster and closer You're going to you're going to specify the screening and the pad It's about it. Any questions or comments from the board at this point Anything else you would like to add No, there any questions from the audience regarding this The topics we've gone over. Okay, any other questions from the board Question if the deer move out of there Does that is that I'm not going anywhere near this one Is that become a new interesting issue down the road Generally deer wintering areas For structure and an ecosystem that Provides cover for browsing deer during times of heavy snowfall, but it's also an ecosystem that allows for other unique things to exist So at least the way the state treats it. It doesn't matter if you actually see Structurally understood to be deer wintering area and they don't joke around about it either I'd answer your question Paul. Yep. Okay Thank you for coming. We're going to close we're going to close DP 19-11 at 743 okay next up is DP 19-19 JC properties LLC. I am going to Myself the company that I work for does business with Does a special hat he has to wear Do you have one for the next application I do Yes, I do we just switch Conan you got it Welcome good evening. Good evening So, you know the drill names and addresses Jeremy Matoskey Trudeau consulting engineers and JC properties own the Property as well as operate Trudeau consulting engineers And Rob Trudeau consulting engineers exclusively Great, so we're going to open up we're going to open up DP 19-19 at Okay, okay This is a request for a discretionary permit review of a proposal modifications to existing professional office building add six new parking spaces and other Appertances to an existing developed lot at 478 Blair Park Road in the business Park Zoning District Properties currently developed as a professional office building containing Trudeau consulting engineers and engineering and land survey consultant company There's no change in use proposed as part of this application There's a small expansion of the building amounting to a 770 new square feet and a deck proposed This application was previously reviewed on April 23rd 2019 by the DRB Which made recommendations and author authorize the application For discretionary permit review those recommendations involved addressing comments made by Willis fire public works Submitting some information about vehicle trip generation on the site and Providing an elevation that shows how utilities will be screened utilities and mechanical equipment will be screened site So in response to the first two fire and public works We've received updated review from both of those departments and incorporated their recommendations into the conditions of approval in terms of traffic Small amount of Expansion to the site, but no change in the intensity of use proposed as part of this application The applicant does estimate trip generation for the site at 29 PM peak hour trip ends, which is the standard by which we measure traffic generation in Williston And there is a plan in the packet the applicant has submitted showing utility screening fence around utilities on the building That is recommending approval of this discretionary permit with recommended findings of fact conclusions of law and conditions of approval Few findings of fact the proposed development will remain a professional office Business Park zoning district allows for a wide range There's an addition proposed to the existing building, but no new structure new site work is Essentially contained within the six additional parking spaces Boundary line adjustment there are some changes to our lighting proposed as part of this application That involves no inhibited lighting types. We have compliance in regards to shielding and downward facing Parking lot illumination in this zoning district is allowed it up to 1.2 foot candles, which is what the applicants proposing With a uniformity ratio and maximum Project also complies to the orientation rules for individual luminaires The existing landscape buffering setbacks will remain on the site There's no outdoor storage proposed on the site We do have some small wetlands associated with storm water features on the site. There's no changes proposed there on the Piece on that second sentence on that section. Yeah, that I was just gonna say you can strike that second sentence That's a that's a boilerplate for anybody who's interested It says discuss setbacks and how buffers will be with delineated. That's a note to ourselves in our boilerplate report There are no changes to access or as I mentioned before trip generation proposed And there are those six additional parking spaces proposed and I'll just note that Unlike sort of a standard office use a lot of our professional scientific and technical services uses including this one Include the need to store some company vehicles on site So there's some ability to flex parking based on Understanding some of those spaces as accommodating work vehicles There's no changes to storm water treatment proposed as part of this application We do see existing and proposed utilities on the site and we do see on the site plan designated Snow storage areas with the standard recommendation that salt tolerant plant species be considered in those areas So they live even after they've had salty snow piled on them for the winter this project is in the town's design review district and therefore the standards of chapter 22 do apply and The project does get review from the historic and architectural advisory committee the only recommendation We had from them following pre-application review was the screening of utilities Which has been provided as a detail in your discretionary permit packet As I mentioned we had updated review by police fire public works with no comments from police And we have incorporated public works and fire recommendations into the conditions of approval Conclusions are that the use is allowed in the business park zoning district and that the proposed development can meet the development Standards of the zoning district as well as all the other standards contained within the Williston Development by-law Provided the conditions as drafted below are followed those conditions in addition to adopting the recommendations of the commenting departments and boards are all our standard conditions, so Simply reiterating those comments The recommendation would not would not demand any changes to the plan as submitted by the applicant and The motion for approval has been prepared such that you could delegate final plan review to staff Wrapped up with a bow Not almost okay, so let's see here the first page says 770 square feet is proposed and we're actually proposing 1195 square feet And our 1195 Something around there, but more than 770 okay, so and that that just thing that does just encompass the shaded areas on the It's gross for three floors. Yeah, so for three floors, okay So to clarify I should have counted 425 twice 425 is for the top and basement floors 345 is for the middle floor plus a deck Gotcha, so it's 425 425 345 plus a deck and a deck Thank you We will comply with the fire chiefs lieutenants comments. That's no problem DPW had no comments We have updated Fencing that would like to show to you. We're still complying with the same perimeter height all of us We are not proposing lighting we provided an existing lighting plant So I want to make sure that's clarified doesn't say we are proposing lighting specifically in here But the way you described it sounded like we were so I just want to clarify We are not proposing like that say that one more point We're not proposing lighting We have included lighting updates throughout time which have converted. I think all over Over time the building has been upgraded to all down shield all each all LED that type of thing Exists hang on one second. Is it what is it normal just to list out what it exists even though if there's no changes Well, we got a lighting plan, so we analyzed it What I would say is if we got a proposal on a site at pre app and Took a drive by or somebody on the board said wow, it's really bright out there We might recommend at DP that we that we document existing lighting and make a plan for conformance But we have we have good conformance here with what's out there We do not have wetlands on site or buffers. Just want to make that one clear. I think you've had that How did we get statement in here that says they are present sounds like boilerplate should have just kept striking That will Come down to another condition at the end. We'll get there storm water treatment It's not it says not proposed to change, but I want to clarify that we have a storm water permit for Access impervious for a different project that we didn't construct but the storm water permit remains valid We are going to for any impervious that we add to the site We must construct some form of storm water treatment So we are going to construct that permitted storm water system So there is storm we already have storm water treatment. We're proposing more under that state permit Which will more than cover the impervious that we're adding however, you'd like to word that but storm water treatment is not proposed To change it will be changing See the rest of stuff. We agree to and we'll comply its condition 14 says that we should get US Army Corps or some sort of wetland permit May consider striking that because we're not going to need it but in any event Let's see rest of the stuff. We agree to want to see what we're going to screen our HAC with Is that an entire eight-foot section so That is a Demo fence over at Effie heart. I went by and shadow box fencing. That's what they have on the floor They can make that to four-foot height which will cover the Condensers that we have on the outside of the building now for our heat. There's going to be painted the same color as a building So it Any questions or comments from the board? I want a brighter color of the fence Yeah, one of those safety yellows would be nice Any other questions just the composite wood on the building is it's going to be similar to the color that's shown on the drawing color The shade of red is the question Wondering how close these two reds will be Not that one the other side actually with the deck So that we're going to propose three colors We have a matte black a matte gray and a Matt red and that red color Yeah, we were envisioning it would be similar to the red that the current building is that would match the That's this here, and then that that's a wood panel That color similar to that color says would Would finish but it doesn't say I'm envisioning it to look the idea was to Give that a more natural look similar to the exposed beams that we have on the outside of the building now I like the color of the way you got it now. That's why I was like Change we're hoping to get as close to that as possible And again all matte finishes not gloss You little you know your water runoff pond there in the corner have you Picked up anything from your neighbor just out of curiosity with this last heavy rain Where our stormwater pond is yeah, it went down there in the the one up in the corner there Property so we don't that is a proposed stormwater pond So it's not a pond right now right now what we have is if you look at the existing conditions plan It's just a little baby soil that goes into Slight depression grass area there. Yeah, so the drainage between the kid or new house building in ours All flows that nor the way direction. I would just wondering if you were getting more from them is no It's never never really changed It'll stay the same to whatever they have now Yeah, we'll stay the same for not touching their lands And that water would be diverted around This this plan calls for the killer new house water to not enter our stormwater. Okay, we're not going to be treating their water just ours One more so the fence that you're showing here. Is that going to be in the location where this one is correct? Just trying to substitute that in the height will be a four feet which I measured to cover those commensures Any questions from the audience more time with the board Okay, thank you for coming. Thank you Close DP 19-19 at 759 so next up is DP 0 9-1 0.16 nighter FC commercial properties LLC and Riley properties LLC Riley properties. I will be recused myself. I think financial interest in the project Good evening if you would please state your name and address for the record, please Snyder Snyder FC commercial properties Shelton My name is Mark Burns. I am principal architect with here. I'm an associates Auburn Maine Portland, Maine Right. Welcome staff goes first This is a request for discretionary permit to construct building J a 30,250 square foot single-story multi-tenant commercial building with related Appartenances in Finney crossing Located along Williston Road at the corner with Holliston Lane Holland Lane in the top corner zoning district Project history the DRB reviewed this project on April 9th as pre-application Recommendations made by the DRB at pre-app and the applicants responses are as follows The only one of note is the last recommendation about providing documentation about Accommodating transit service the applicant met with GMT and The applicant has already Constructed a concrete pad for a possible bus shelter at the intersection of Zephyr Road and Williston Road What follows is the history of development review for Finney crossing that began in 2007 and then in 2017 and 2018 More recent commercial development Findings of fact the proposed use is a grocery store retail spaces and a restaurant. These are allowed in chapter 41 The applicant proposes a new structure 18,000 square feet for the grocery store and 12,250 square feet for the retail and restaurant uses The site is currently undeveloped and would be graded paved and landscaped as part of the proposal an Erosion and runoff control plan is provided in compliance with chapter 29 Subdivisioner boundary line adjustment the applicant proposes a subdivision to create a parcel around the building and parking lot The proposed lot size is approximately 2.88 acres Vehicular access the development will be accessed by a shared private drive with the hotel at the intersection of Holland Lane and Market Street pedestrian and cyclist access Chapter 13 sets the standards for safe pedestrian and cyclist access and chapter 14 sets standards for parking area pedestrian access These standards were discussed at pre-application and reflected in the DRB recommendations The proposal complies with the standard of note that on the south and western ends of the property There are direct sidewalk connections between the Willis and Road multi-use path and each tenancy entrance On the eastern side. This is the side with the loading dock facing Holland Lane Two screening walls are shown at pre-application Where there could be a conflict with pedestrians cutting through the loading area The building has been shifted four feet west to provide additional landscaping between the sidewalk and the screening wall And so with one screening wall for the loading area this is compliance with the landscaping to prevent people from walking through and Lastly the northern access The applicant has rotated the parking aisles 90 degrees and added a long Medium with sidewalk along the private drive This is allowed for a protected pedestrian crossing and sidewalk from the Curtis Lane pedestrian path and hotel entrance to building J Transit access I already discussed that when reviewing pre-app setbacks in landscaping The applicant is proposing landscaping in compliance with the requirements of chapter 23 as shown in the table Street trees are shown and on the site plan in compliance with chapter 26 Parking lot landscaping is provided in compliance with chapter 23 I'll note unlike other finny crossing parking areas where landscape height is restricted by the Velco easement This parking area is not restricted and shade trees are provided throughout Parking this project generates a requirement for parking Chapter 14 expresses parking as a minimum and a maximum and it can be increased or reduced Through use of transit shared parking pervious payment and others For the various uses supermarkets office general retail and quality restaurant a Maximum total of 192 spaces would be required With the reduction for transit Street spaces along Holland Lane and then the shared parking analysis 145 spaces is proposed and in compliance with chapter 14 The Apple can is proposing outdoor and long-term bicycle storage and end-of-trip facilities There will be two end-of-trip facilities one for the healthy living Location and then one a shared space between the other two to three commercial tenants Short-term bicycle parking is provided on the north set in south sides of the building as identified on the grading and utility plan These specifications must be shown at final plans The shared parking analysis has been provided and 145 spaces comply Traffic Per chapter 45 traffic impact fees are offset by the construction of Zephyr Road building J is projected to generate 280 p.m. Peak hour trips This brings the Finney crossing total proposed external trips to 539 below the approved total of 777 p.m. Peak hour trips outdoor lighting after lighting is proposed Some specifications are missing in the table below and must be provided at final plans per condition number seven so mainly the lumens per acre The categories that have been provided are in compliance in terms of illumination foot candle levels and operational notes about dimming Signs the Finney crossing master sign plan will be amended at a future date to accommodate signs for the proposed building Stormwater Stormwater treatment and detention for Finney crossing is existing on the site Capacity is designed for the full build-out of Finney crossing The applicant proposes to connect to municipal water and wastewater Existing and proposed utilities have been shown Site maintenance Snow storage is provided in compliance with chapter 16 Trash and recycling container location and screening is shown in compliance with the requirements of 16.7 the containers for healthy living are Located in the screens loading area and a sex second dumpster location is provided on the west side of the parking lot for the other tenants It is screened with a wood fence enclosure that will match the paneling of building Jay chapter 16.4 excerpted below set standards for litter removal and trash receptacles Staff recommends the applicant provide trash receptacles around building Jay and the multi-use path on Williston Road and Holland Lane Final plans should include receptacle location and design specifications The DRB made aside a condition of approval is necessary for compliance the reason we're bringing this up is Town of Williston does not provide trash removal so Developments like maple tree place or Finney crossing are provided to to required to provide some trash receptacles for litter collection This is something for the applicant to be thinking about with the future plans for commercial development where those locations will be Outdoor storage outdoor storage is not proposed nor is it allowed in this district No wetlands or waterways are present on the site Lastly this project is subject to design review DRB reviews compliance with chapter 22 and 41 with advice from the historic and architectural advisory committee the hack The table below includes the pre application recommendations made by the DRB in the middle column The hack recommendations of June 4th are in the right column Generally they found that the project complies with this report with the requirements and with the pre application recommendations Jumping to page 10 The hack did add a recommendation about Windows on the east side of the north elevation. These are the windows that will be to the left of that parking lot entrance It was determined that those features are indeed windows and not vents so staff has recommended that This component not be included in the conditions Jumping to page 11. They carried over the recommendation that entrances on both sides of the building should be fully operable false front doors that say use entrance on other side do not fulfill this requirement and Further down section 2243 about airlocks The hack recommends the DRB consider the south entrances as minor and not requiring airlocks So staff will note that airlocks are shown for both entrances of healthy living And I believe they're shown for that entrances of the other tenants facing the parking lot So the hack is recommending that those other tenancies facing south Williston Road not provide airlocks Seeing as those entrances Will be secondary Principal entrances to buildings must incorporate an airlock so the DRB must decide if those entrances facing Williston Road are principal entrances Continuing on to the chapter 41 The project complies as proposed I will note that the public art component is no longer proposed However, it was not required for their five of nine for the entire Finney crossing development The fire department commented on May 27th and public works commented on June 19th Both memos are in touch and included as conditions of approval The police department did not respond to the request for comments No public comment letters or emails were received at the time of packet mail out June 20th Staff recommends approval of this discretionary permit with findings of fact conclusions of law and conditions of approval as provided If the DRB addresses the following entrances airlocks and trash receptacles Thank you Thank you Emily. Good job I think at this point I'm going to turn it over to the two of you to walk us through Changes that you've made in this proposal since the last time you were here so I'll I'll start out with site plan and modifications and again do appreciate the comprehensive discussion that we had at the last DRB hearing. It was very helpful And allowed us to really move the project a lot further faster and more efficiently To be able to address those concerns. So I think that there's a couple of big changes and Emily noted them in her Presentation already, but I think it's important to note Even more specifically so the Parking area on the northern side of the building. We didn't revise the overall layout and as you can tell now What we have is this view Also walkway from the hotel So if you're coming down The bike path adjacent to Curtis Lane from one of the residential units you come down on the sidewalk You connect onto this recreation path you cross over Yes, you do have to turn and turn again But this is going to be a very nice We're sort of calling walking boulevard into the front entry of healthy living So I think that's one big change that we have made On the northern side of the building the other pieces. We were able to shift the building to the west of it By four feet and it doesn't seem like much before feet When you're considering along what's going to happen along this edge Closest to home lane does make a substantial difference So we were able to add some landscaping and highlight some of those pieces the other component is The trash building we did locate the trash building as a question It's in a good place in terms of circulation and out of the way and We didn't we're able to maintain the dogs along this other boundary line so that The building really has variation Along the length of the route to view session view corridor We also did Address and work on the two outside seating areas. So we have an outside seating area here specifically for the healthy living markets Customers and then we have a proposed seating area outside here for the proposed potential What what's the amount of Overhang and cover on that seated area healthy living there is no cover over it Is a trellis and it's intended to to be a shading device more than anything else Yeah, it may have like three feet, but it really isn't intended to to cover the seating per se Okay, that was that was hard to tell a pseudo pergola so so that's so we do have a seating area located along here and then on the Western side of the building would be located on this side Of You know, we haven't defined it too well because we don't really know exactly What restaurants want in there where their door is but we wanted to show that hey We're gonna build a building and it's gonna look like that And is the door in the middle or right or depends upon how there's you can lay out works out Obviously, we're gonna have to come to the DRB get approval for that, but we wanted to show at least enough detail so that All you would that was You know we're Those are really the items in terms of related to the site variant that we made changes on and all that are sort of scheme to the architectural changes The view This has really changed the ball from the original building that you saw Essentially said hey you've got a building here that we can go forward with But we really didn't have a signature to it There were some things that were were responded to based on color based on massing of the entries Based on the fact that the mass itself wasn't broken down didn't feel as though it was it was a series of Buildings in a way that we had a straight shot Elevation and so what we've done now is we've got an elevation especially on south elevation that being a group to which indicates a number of stores almost evolving as a village and So the massing changes the heights change. We've dealt with a lot of the comments regarding the What was known as the garage door effect and But what we did was we created a recessed portion and we actually built up the ends So that it actually made these come forward as As the signature elements and then allow this to drop back in the center and just be a backdrop to our plantings I think that In of itself along with the main entrance soft entrance to healthy living markets as really called out a Particular portion here of the building where we really want to focus in addition to that we have identified the other Stores as though they were unique unto themselves as opposed to part of a larger structure Even though it is connected. We want it due to the shadows and material changes to have its own identity When we came to that I'm going to save the main elevation for last but when you turn the corner now Rather than having a sign here On this end. We've kept it closer to the entrance to a healthy living We've really been sort of sparing with our signage We've tried to keep it where we're well under the allowance and what we think is that Correct positioning is stronger than lots of signage because it really starts to take away from each other And so we've got it separated and laid out in a way that you know, it's not going to overpower the building it's going to be introduced as you approach the building as a pedestrian and The healthy living is larger. It is intended to be seen from Through to at a speed of 35 miles an hour. So When we turn the corner on the east We have we have changed a lot of these colors to sort of allow the building to drop back And not be overwhelming on the Boulevard section We have allowed the corner with healthy living to be the area which is prominent and is noticed We think by doing this it's going to allow other buildings in the development to be much more recognizable The fence color has changed. It is much more Closely identified with the color of the stone the stone that we've chosen isn't a cultured stone We know that it's being used all over the place and there was comment that in Williston Every a lot of people are using a very similar cultured stone. So we've we've actually chosen to use a what's known as a Thompson ledge stone and it's it's actually manufactured and Cut by a by a quarry and And so we'll be using that in its dimensional True dimension as opposed to being two inches thick and glued onto the bill In addition to this We've used that sparingly we've used it on the wall on the east we've used it on the wall at the seating area on the south and We've also used it at the main entry to healthy living markets in addition to sort of the overall concept and breaking down sort of the building massing we've chosen materials that are more But more organic feeling even though they may be They may be some metal and there are some composites, but these are all Trident true long-lasting wearing products all of them with more than 25 year warranty So I think we have a very low maintenance. However, very very Natural feel more organic feel to this building we are using wood panel that shown with this vintage wood cedar and It is it's divided with a with an anodized aluminum grid and this is giving it sort of a more traditional material a very Contemporary look so that it makes it feel like it's It's a real standout building In addition to that we have we've incorporated sort of signature elements for healthy living markets with with wood Campies that will be really like a glulam product is what we're now trying to engineer and There'll be really specialty items fairly decent dimension as well we're now talking about 18 inch depth and They will be a very recognizable element in addition to that we've chosen to use a block storefront because We'd like it to almost disappear and had it be more about the opening than a huge grid Blocking that vision in and out of the building We have also located on these plans the rooftop units and We are not using to use penthouse. There was a question as to whether or not we'd use a penthouse refrigeration We're going to use a Much smaller equipment, which will be Layed out on the roof in different locations So you won't have a lot of massing on the roof and the height of the equipment will be lower as a result The penthouse would stand up about 10 feet or so where these will be about 6 feet high or so Still yet to be specified in general We also have provided you with a planting plant and we have used Materials that are all needed A number of edible gardens associated with the the entries to healthy living market in the front these two locations here and Also in the in the front near the south These will be done by Vermont edible gardens, and this is a signature element of the store and They're a particular interest to any of the customers that are unique Sorry, can you point those out again? there they will be in These two green areas at the entrance to healthy living market on either side of the walkway in and then in front of the stone wall and slightly to the right of it in the South entrance You pass around In terms of the elevations there's one thing I'd like to add to as well is that um, you know the previous Elevations had the What I'd call sort of a soaring roof that went up vertically And in this scenario with this revised design, I think you know, we're keeping it more grounded versus vertical and so I think that's really Distinct difference between the two applications Then what we previously provided I like the way even if you can make fun of it. I think it's great No, it's really real. It's a real eye breaker. It's an eye Go down there and suddenly you're not looking at this long long I would agree And it's better than what the original one was like you say with the okay John I Thought you might The so you were talking about not not putting the penthouse so the strategy for for screening that rooftop equipment is Keeping it low keeping it back from the edge and hoping nobody can see it hoping necessarily but knowing that And we're showing it in elevation and you're barely seeing it But but knowing that if it's six feet tall maximum We will probably not see it given that You and you would have to be an at an elevation to be able to see that far back from the roof edge. I Would I would agree that it does back far enough from the roof edge and it's low enough You're you're likely not to say what I'd like to have you do at some point You should be able to model that Yeah, and we do have a parapet and the parapets as high as three or four feet depending upon how the elevation changes much more likely that that Your perspective angle is We have shown an elevation in the package from the from the hotel From the in in the package. It's from the third floor Window, there's actually only one window on that one wall at the end of the hallway But but that will show you Actually, what you could see Given that height, but what we're looking at in an elevation here is truly straight on as you know As opposed to being down on the ground Which actually makes it more difficult to see you walk out of Shaw's and you look across the street to Building in the further away you get the more likely you're going to be to see what's on that roof Hey, I think they're using tower units though and there it's all in one one section No, but in today, but the view from Shaw's towards this building that's what I'm Is How far back to have to get before you can see it how tall is that parapet? You know At some point you're far enough away that doesn't matter because it's just tiny little speck out there and you can't really see it So I'm not sure how to how to go about making sure that we have a reasonable idea of what is visible so what I think what we could do is Depending upon how the other questions go but it has a condition we could say that the Condensing equipment on the rooftop be shielded from view from a certain elevation or something like that Certain ground elevation or from the Shaw's parking lot and we could use that. I don't know where that yeah I don't know what that you know the piece about it as well Because I think we're all concerned about that right we we are cognizant of that is The building height is 18 feet. No actually 20 20 feet tall So then you have the parapet So, you know and if as long as those are set, you know Three or four feet in I bet you're not even gonna see that I think I think we're gonna be more likely given the locations within the store If you look at the plan We we have most of the refrigeration in the center of the store so that we can locate them in there There is some additional I should point that out to you over the store I'm looking at the store plan This being the north elevation this being the main entry south entry This is where all of our refrigeration is Primarily, you know, it's probably 85% of it And then there is some additional in this section here and a little in this section here These will be smaller units serving Not when they won't be coolers. They won't be Freezers, they'll only be serving, you know, some of the kitchen Elements and some of the preparation areas So you have a sense of how tall ain't how tall that equipment is Both the stuff that's closer to the edge and and the units that are in the center And what about this the smaller units you said that are gonna be closer to that front edge And how big is the parapet So the so as I see the on the elevation the step in the The height of the wall that's really just a change in the parapet the roof is a continuous plan Okay It does slope to drains And we have kept the roof drains. I mean, there are a lot of things we've incorporated this design That are really about sort of the people involved making it design decisions as opposed to saving money and some of those a few of them Rather than taking that water down on an outside surface for the downspout Which a lot of retail structures do because they don't want to deal with internal drainage We have internal drainage because we don't want the exterior to build to have all of these, you know, three-sided cutters As well, we don't have any any events showing Lovers on our building because we're going through the roof with everything There may be a few around the cork down down the road. I think they would be very minimal I can't speak for the other stores But as we know it now the restaurant will go through the roof and The healthy living market will all go through the roof for ventilation, which I think is a nice question John I'll pass Okay David The only one I have is on the view from the third floor. You have a different sign on the building But I'm assuming it's because you just use the different all When you pop the parking lot just have a curiosity. What was the space differential change? We're just curious because that's good the way that set up now It's going to be a lot easier for the trash guys to come straight up and grab it It's also going to keep the traffic from popping out of the hotel right into the parking lot of the restaurant we did also address the 53-foot trailer and not to bring things up. I am waiting for questions I should be but that was a big issue at the last meeting and I just wanted to be known that we We changed the configuration we also we have diagrams provided and I think that We've shown that we can we can fully operate with that Just make sure it isn't a swift driver coming in that you can fully operate. Well, it's fully Operational with the larger trailer larger truck. How high is the stone wall and that screening along Highland? Hauling Two feet and then a six-foot fence on top of it. That's right eight feet total So in you say it was a full dimension of the of the stone right there That's correct. You know that that so there's a stone tap here. We'll also be a Concrete footing so that walls just you know stable wall And we do have it showing on the backside as well Where the loading dock is so what we figured is you get about 12 feet there for the load You know when you drop down four feet at the loading dock on to the concrete Is there a section through that wall here Don't know if there's one in there. I just want to get a sense of how thick that wall is Oh, I think it's probably only 24 to 30 inches 24 yeah 24 high so it's a it's kind of a square block of stone And what's the what's the material on the top? Reason for the 24 is to that it becomes the seating wall at the other that's where I was headed And and you know if it's over 24 inches It's not really a seating wall and even at even at 24 inches. It's it's a high seat Yeah, but it's you it's not going to get hurt So so I'm just going to get a sense so that from front to back row that's a couple feet there Well feet and the wall the tall wall is is in the middle of that The fence the fence The fence will have to be anchored go down to the footing So but when you're sitting on that wall your back will be up against the fence or Well, but you won't be able to really sit where the fence is Yeah, I mean that's not the seating wall long hauling It's not really a seating wall long hauling lane And the fence is only located in this portion right here. So we've got a We have a bit of a retaining wall Right located at this point and then above grade is going to be the stone wall off the stone wall will be the fence And the reason you have to retain wall is because the grade changes down through here Where he's talking about the seating wall is out here along the Southern outside portion of the patio area for the for the Outdoor seat. I see so I was talking about a long hauling lane here So you're walking along the pocket walk and you've got four feet of Planting, you know, what's how tall is that stone wall there? So it's two feet tall off the From here That's right. And then the stone will probably only be like 12 inches because we don't want to take up Space for stone. That's why I was asking here for this and then there's and there's a fence on top of that Right Yeah, what do you envision for the cab? Typically With a pipe which is into the into the foundation yeah, it'll be a galvanized pipe into the into the footing, right? So the fence will stay plumb and look good Yeah, and then then the center of the wall will all be will be grout and chink stone to basically hold it together So it's fairly solid to give people a sense of the height these tables are about 30 inches that wall being 24 inches It's about 6 inches lower than the height of this table. So which you know, it's fairly substantial I don't I think it would look odd if it were much taller than that Yes, and do you I think last time you had mentioned If I remember recall correctly cedar as a possibility for the fence material Okay And to tell you the truth what we'd like it to do is be very similar to the Vintage wood cedar that we're using on the building. So it's all all compatible It's kind of carries through the building and that'll be a stain I'm disappointed you got rid of the art I thought that was a very there will move and I was really looking forward to seeing what you're going to propose We're hoping that you're gonna see some art sometimes soon with some new ideas And you know if you look at the South Burlington store There is there's a lot of metal work on that one. So They they want to express themselves. It's just a question of you know, what it becomes and and how to do that So the outside eating area how many seats will be there roughly? Actually Yeah, I think we say 36 36 is what we're planning for So you tell about the healthy living one I was just curious when you said that because I was thinking you'd mentioned there's gonna be some kind of outside eating at the other end and That I don't know how many seats will go there. It'll depends upon how many tables and what the king for Yeah, yeah, we wanted to show that we're doing the patio and we want to show the elevation Because we want to build the building but then as we get a specific tenant for that area will revise that Don't go there we've already had the whole business about inside-outside entrances Paul any other questions? Okay, are there any questions from the audience Yeah, I have two other things I want to ask about absolutely all everybody's in the room on cheap l 90.1 Toward what I guess would be the northeast corner of the building. There's something labeled pallet storage area You guys talk about what that's going to be I Think it would be good for final plans to have it, you know Just a small detail Memorializing that that's got an enclosure around it The other thing I'm always the bike guy It's not honestly because I'm the one who rides to work every day So you'll note in the parking table in the staff report We're talking about generating requirement for about 14 outdoor bike parking spaces here and that same sheet l 90.1 Shows a you know an inverted you that can accommodate two bikes proximate to the healthy living door, so I just want to Remind everybody that there's a little more capacity that will need to show it final plan related to that And you know this one of the things that's interesting comparing this healthy living site to the South Burlington Healthy living site whether you're talking about bikes and bike racks or pallet storage or any of those things is There's almost no backside To this site Everything's quite exposed. So if you were to go to the healthy living site, you would see a bike rack That's proximate to the door that's clearly for customer use and then sort of a classic wheelbender rack sort of often the in the In the back of the site that presumably is overflow and used by employees Back where the pallets get stacked So this is a site that needs to accommodate those things Generally in a more visible way and we certainly from the perspective of the comprehensive plan of Wilson do hope that people are walking and biking to the site and Think you'll get good use of those things given the infrastructure that's coming in here So just make sure those numbers line up when we get to final plan And you can you walk me through the the pallet storage again, please. I wasn't quite following that The pallets as they come out Unloaded There's they're taken and then they're kind of taken away need scourge for those and We're looking at the area right inside and on the final plan. You'll see a fenced area pretty much aligning with where the walk Or a stair into the building is there and we'll have a probably a three-sided fence Which will be the same fencing material Here allow them to open a gate much like it would be in the trash enclosure here allow them to store the pallets remove them and Keep them in an area I don't say great. I got it now. So if you're talking quantity of pellets. Um, what do you 10 20? 10 per day storage Okay, how do they get removed just out of curiosity I So there so the the trucking companies are in a kind of a turnover of the right, okay Okay, given the outdoor storage requirement we have to enclose it and that's the reason for That's and that's important. So that's such an important gateway Yeah, I mean the plan that I'm looking at here. It has an arrow showing it right right in the front of the green space It's intended to go to the side of that I did have another question So there was a did you have any comment on the staff? suggestion about trash cans and that you have you have no objection to Putting some trash cans in here Who's going to be responsible for emptying those it's gonna be part of the common area maintenance Okay, so those you're gonna have a guy that's gonna be driving around this little vehicle picking all this stuff. Okay, it's not that much space. I mean dense in that little in in those three areas Where the bank is going building F and I am that far David you had something the only thing I was thinking on the how it's storage As the it's just a thought at the end of the truck ramp By the back of the park wall, would that be a better place where you store your palace? It was there and I said You can't put it there. I Just was thinking I just see it from anywhere. Yeah, you well you'd see it from when you drive in on Holland Lane I Plus the wall above it there. Yeah, but the but the northern view so when you're at this Stop sign, right? You're you're gonna have a you see that wall on this side That was my Perspective, I mean I could be wrong And be more than willing to be Changed, but it was at one point. They had a design there This is idea at the time was to soften the edges of the intersection with greenery I think that we can in the final plan we can submit a something that's attractive that Plays in with what we've got and the other pieces, you know, this isn't showing the you know substantial landscaping there's things going on there that we can address Just a concern that yeah, they're gonna see this wall there with these kids as you're in the parking lot Any comments from the audience Anything further from the applicant It's based upon the you know comments that we've heard tonight, you know, the only thing I request is if there is a way, you know that we can submit the Final plan in I don't know if does it do we need to come back to the DRB with final plans or is this something that gets Revealed by staff it's been dropped to the staff approval Well since the staff is the most vocal Advocate of bike parking, I won't have to worry about that part of it I'll take care of that. So when you see them, I just got to make sure they got the spaces Okay, before I close this hearing I just want to thank you for Really a tasteful design you listened you incorporated. This is a very important project in Wilson. So So I just wanted to extend my thanks on behalf of everybody in the town. Thank you Absolutely, and thank you for the two hours that I mean, I've never been at a DRB meeting for two hours where our discussion was very Fruitful and organized and helped us get to where we are today Great Okay, thank you. We're going to close this hearing at 855 Thank you for coming. Oh the plow jockeys is going to appreciate that change in the parking lot as well pushing that snow down to the end Okay Here we are next up is a next up is DP 19-09 Gary Howard. That's a continuance continued from June 11th, 2019 Howard 697 Butternut Roe 697 Welcome, welcome Howard's we're going to open the meeting up at 855 Kevin grab a chair and pull it up to the table You can continue I think it's only fair So And if you Kevin state your name you're you're not you're not the applicant, but no You're an integral part of it, so let's get you on the record Kevin the zoo's an 1120 butternut right So before we turn the staff loose here This is a continuation from June 11th It was one of the more interesting hearings that we've had Recently maybe ever I see a new I See a news site plan that We're here to talk about a different from the one that we had last time I'm assuming which I probably shouldn't do but I am assuming that this is something that all involved have agreed upon amongst the applicants in the butters and So we're going to we're going to we're going to talk through it Kevin I did see a letter that you had sent so that sent and it is in our packets So with that in mind, I'm going to let the staff kind of bring us up to date on where we are and See what we can come up with Okay, so The board look at this proposal for discretionary permit two weeks ago We're talking about a residential subdivision in the agricultural rural residential zone We're talking about a parcel land large enough to require 75% of it to be set aside as Permanently protected open space and the board members may recall The discussion was mostly last time about the configuration of lot two and especially lot one on the site And there were also some discussions with the board about What that leaves behind in terms of the shape and configuration of the open space lot And we were talking a little bit about the bylaw requirement for Contiguity between protected open space and a subdivision of this type with protected open space in other off-site Parcels and in this case we have two of those the Bruce property and the Isham family farm property both on that Southeastern corner of the subject parcel so the applicant Requested a continuance for a two-week turnaround to confer with the neighbor whose property you can see they're adjacent to the subject parcel To talk about adjusting the proposal a little bit and what you have in front of you is an Adjustment to that lot one boundary which now creates a essentially a wrap of open space around lot one and a budding one of the Property lines of the Missouzen parcel so that that achieves more Contiguity with the other open space and makes a little bit of a funny shape In the end, but it does it does provide a buffer there and some additional open space connected to other open space in the town So in terms of quantitative requirements, we're still meeting the 75% open space requirement Lots one and two conform to the required Minimum lot size of 15,000 square feet the overall project still conforms to the required density of no more than one unit per 80,000 square feet you may remember there's a Significantly larger number of dwelling units that could be generated by the site. We're still well under those density limitations and meeting other requirements of the by-law and I believe The last item that might be up for discussion tonight is the proximity of that driveway He's meant to the other property line on the Missouzen property So we may discuss that a little bit tonight but if that needs to be shifted a bit to accommodate a Setback between where that driveway ends up and that side property boundary I think that's certainly doable under the requirements of the by-law That's what I've got you guys like to bring us up to speed on where you are and What we're looking at If you'd like or we can fire questions at you. I can tell you that we had a very nice meeting on a Friday afternoon Looked at all the possibilities and this one seems to Again from my point of view which Often is jaundiced and not quite as direct as it should be I think but seems to benefit everyone involved I simply took the Between five and six acres of the back part of lot number one and moved it over to the front It and left a hundred feet down the sides to make the continuity between Bruce's and Isham's Move nothing else changed nothing else took one block of land and moved it the the piece that Emily put in your folders that Triangular and wasn't to scale it is the one I handed out tonight. It is so there was no change in the amount of Open space versus lot size at all. It's been calculated by the Surveyor to be twelve point three two acres now Which is what it was before so when you hand it out this is this is to scale the one that's been highlighted is not It's not I couldn't my surveyor couldn't get me his I took this off a PDF that he sent me to say is this okay Today, and I couldn't get him to print it out on the Right paper and stuff as close as I could get it staples So what we're looking at everybody on the board any questions about what we're seeing one question is these two building Envelopes that are picked are these picked because they are the ones that provide the best for you pretty much Okay Pretty much and those building envelopes haven't changed on these plans as I read this this plan No, there's nothing changed at all except that Boundary line 718 feet or 700 and Kevin you're sitting here obviously that makes sense to you Yeah, it does make sense to me Conversation around the building envelopes, but mr. Howard has already gotten a an approval for wastewater treatment In the wells, so those remain the same Something that can happen With the purchaser of the land is my understanding can potentially ask for that to be moved if it's not a condition within the Final plans So I know in your I know in your letter of June 20th, you would ask that Driveway access and the curb cuts be clearly identified on butter nut okay, and and And what did you have in mind or is that just a statement that you're interested in having in the in the Conditions yeah, and having a conversation with Matt about the the driveway and it just not being clear on the site plan I'm confident that it'll be Delineated on the final plan, but I'm just concerned as to where that is Well, so if we talk about your second your second point in your letter, right Having a 50-foot landscape buffer around the entire boundary that will shit that in my mind will shift that Shift that driveway correct. Yeah, that would probably make that driveway have to be a little further away You know, that's a staff Recommendation to have a 50-foot landscape buffer around the entire boundary of the subdivision and I support that That would definitely alleviate that issue as far as Where I perceive it being very close Right now it looks It looks close. There is there is the easement there the the right of way for the For the parcel that goes all the way to lot 5 Well that easement need to be moved if we if there was a 50-foot buff 50-foot buffer all the way around they around the subdivision I Would recommend that it is simply because an easement means you can build a driveway in it and it's It's easier to just say you got to put the driveway in the easement to say well There's this easement, but you can only use this part of it So when we're communicating with future applicant So what I would recommend if if the parties are immutable is that the final plan come in with that easement Slid a little bit away from that property line to accommodate the landscape buffer I'll also note that it's currently a 65-foot wide easement. The bylaws only going to require 40 65 may be desirable for other reasons including just where you end up having to lead land the driveway But our constructed driveway requirement is only 20 feet wide remember So we're you know 12 feet clear for or sorry 12 feet of gravel and 4 feet clear on either side Somewhere inside of an easement. That's at least 40 feet wide So if you look at what's on paper right now, it's scaled at 65 feet wide so you can you can lose 25 feet of that and be down to 40 and then just Take that with and slide it out of the way to maintain a 50-foot buffer off of that property line Gary and Susan are you on board with that? Questions from the board no Any other comments you guys would like to make Are we all in agreement that this is where we're landing? You know it was interesting it was it was a it was a it was a unique Conversation two weeks ago and and I applaud Susan and and Gary for allowing me to to really participate and and Peter You commented that it's the remote way to do things and it really Friday night was really great I mean it was there and we had a really good conversation And it was Jill's suggestion initially I should not hear tonight and that's too bad But it was Jill's suggestion initially to come up with something everybody's in agreement that the driveway is probably gonna be moving The only thing I just don't the only thing I don't want is for that landowner to have a Section of land above the driveway. That's just the sliver wide It's either hard to maintain or or anything, but yeah, there's it can come down. I can't contend with that Moving at how many feet did you say? Oh, we're gonna be outside the 50-foot buffer 65 So it's it's 50 foot from the property 50 foot buffer from the line, but the 65 is gonna shrink 60 I would think good to 40 right so what I'm suggesting is you don't have to take the 65 on that page right now You don't have to move that whole 65 over if you don't want to if you if you want to there's no nothing no reason you don't You would be prohibited from that, but my point is The whole thing You don't have to take that 65 and move it 50 feet over you can chew 25 feet into it and expand it 25 feet on the other side That's achieve compliance with the bylaw and get the 50 foot set back to that property will figure it out some language That seems to work with that We're talking about a distance 50 feet, you know from me to the door is the distance Paul you had mentioned what a 50-foot buffer affect the the wastewater treatment and and it's it's 50 feet away, so The approved state plans that Gary's already submitted are good to go So in other words, you're basically talking about 25 moving at 25 feet up the road potentially Time guys many everybody okay in the audience Wish to say anything Comment anything okay Thanks for coming glad this worked out. Thank you. Thank you very much. Okay. We're gonna close DP 19-09 at 9 10 Have a great evening Okay Development review boards are gonna go into a deliberation like I Mean we can ask the question about Okay, great The town of Williston's development review board is out of deliberation for Tuesday, June 25 10 o'clock Paul would you make a motion for DP 14-01? amendment number 2 pre-joe building envelope change Authorized by WDB 6.6.3 I Paul Christensen move that the willison development review board having reviewed the application submitted in all the accompanying material Including recommendations of the town staff and the advisory board direct required to comment on this application by the Williston development bylaw and having heard and truly considered the testimony presented at public hearing of June 25th 2019 except the findings of fact and conclusions of law proposed by staff and Approved the proposed amendment to DP 14-01 amendment pound sign to This approval authorized the applicant to file final plans obtained Approval of those plans from the staff and then seek an administrative permit For the proposed development which must proceed in strict conformance with the plans on which this Approval is based Thank you. Do I have a second? I'll second each second to any further discussion All in favor. Aye. Aye. Aye. No nays motion carries motion for DP 19-11 Adams subdivision As authorized by WDB 6.6.3. I John Hemmelgarn move that the Williston development review board having reviewed the application submitted in all accompanying Materials including the recommendations of the town staff and the advisory boards required to comment on this application By the Williston development bylaw and having heard and duly considered the testimony presented at the public hearing of June 25th 2019 and the findings of fact and conclusions of law proposed by staff for the review of the DP 19-11 And approved this discretionary permit subject to conditions above This approval authorizes the applicant to file final plans obtain approval of these plans from the DRB and then seek an Administrative permit for the proposed development which must proceed in strict and conformance with the plans on which this approval is based We are going to Modify or we're first off. We're going to strike Under condition number 2a We're going to strike number four from the Wilson Conservation Commission memo We are going to modify condition number 22 to To read the app and shall use a line of boulders to delineate the wetland buffers on lots one through six and eight and we're going to add Condition number 27 the applicant shall demarcate the two western most building envelope corners With boulders similar to the wetland buffer boulders and number 28 No landscape buffer is required along the southern boundary of lot one number one No nays motion carries JC properties office addition as authorized by WDB 6.6.3 I Dave turn David Turner moves at the Williston Development Review Board having reviewed the application submitted in all accompanying materials Including the recommendations of town staff and advisory board required to comment on the application by the Williston Development by-law and Having heard and duly considered the testimony presented at the public hearing of June 25th 2019 and The findings of fact and conclusions of law proposed by the staff for review of DP 1919 and Approved the discretionary permit subject to conditions above this approval authorizes the applicant to file final plans obtain approval from these plans From staff and then seek administrator permit for the proposed development Which must proceed in the strict conformance of the plans on which their approval is based we will strike condition number 14 John seconds it any further discussion all in favor Extension P. Kelly abstains Four eyes no nays one extension motion carries Do I have a motion for DP? 209-01 point one six the Snyder FC commercial properties LLC and Riley properties LLC Yes, it's authorized by WDB 6.6.3 I John Hemmelgarn move that the Wilson Development Review Board having reviewed the application submitted in all accompanying materials Including the recommendations of the town staff and the advisory boards required to comment on this application by the Wilson Development by-law And having heard and duly considered the testimony presented at the public hearing of June 25th 2019 and the findings of fact and conclusions of law proposed by staff for the review of the DP 09-01 amendment number 16 and Approved this discretionary permit subject to conditions above This approval authorizes the applicant to file final plans obtain approval of these plans from staff and then seek an Administrative permit for the proposed development, which must proceed in strict conformance with the plans on which this approval is based We are going to modify and add a couple conditions Starting with number three We're going to strike three B We're going to add condition number 23 To read the applicant shall provide at least one airlock In retail spaces one through five Further we're going to add condition number 24 Final plans shall clearly delineate the pallet storage area and provide specifications and construction details for the enclosure We're going to add condition number 25 the applicant shall provide trash receptacles per WDB 16.4 Finally, we're going to add condition number 26 Which says that rooftop equipment shall be screened in accordance with WDB 18.12 point three Thank You John. Is there a second? All seconds it any further discussion all in favor aye opposed Motion carries with four yeas no nays and one abstention Riley abstaining Okay Five lot subdivision as authorized by WDB 6.6.3 I Peter Kelly move that the Wilson development review board having reviewed the application submitted in all accompanying materials Including the recommendations of the town staff and the advisory boards required to comment on this application By the Wilson development bylaw and having heard and duly considered the testimony presented at the public hearing of June 11th 2019 and June 25th 2019 Accept the findings of fact and conclusions of law proposed by staff for the review of the DP 19-09 and approve this discretionary permit subject to conditions above this approval authorizes the Applicant to file final plans obtain approval of these plans from staff and then seek an administrative permit for the proposed development Which must proceed in strict conformance with the plans in which this approval is based We are going to add conditions of approval 17 and 18 Condition number 17 the applicant shall clearly identify the driveway access slash curb cut location from butternut road Condition number 18 The applicant shall adopt the staff recommendation of a 50-foot landscape buffer around the entire boundary of the subdivision Great do I have a second Dave's discussion All in favor I Five eyes known as motion carries I'm an approval or do I have a motion to approve the minutes? You know who you are Paul I make a motion we approve the minutes of June 11th 2019 has written has written Well with Paul's name correct with Paul Paul Christians So noted do I have a second I will second that seconds it any further discussion all in favor I Four eyes one abstention Do I have a motion to adjourn the meeting at 10 10? Thanks guys That was good. That was an hour and 20 minutes faster than I expected