 Welcome to this quantum conversation. I am so pleased to introduce you to David Hofmeister, who is a beautiful teacher on awakening and the power of surrender, surrender to the higher self, surrender to the Holy Spirit. David is a perfect example of the constant peace and joy and presence that comes when we do this surrender of the ego. David, thank you so much. Welcome. Thank you for being here. Thank you, Lauren. Thank you for inviting me. It's great to be on this. I like the name the quantum conversations that really grabbed my attention right away when you first emailed me. Well, we'll talk about quantum because we really are in that quantum world and it does interface with consciousness and it happens in this now moment in this presence. So we'll share a little bit on what it means to really live quantum. For now though, I'd like to ask you about your own personal story. You have been a teacher in A Course in Miracles for decades and you started about 30 years ago in your own path and yet you actually surrendered to Jesus and began to share the messages that came through you from Jesus. Can you share what led you to the Course in Miracles? Yes. Well, I actually was out in California in 1986 for a humanistic psychology conference and it was Carl Rogers last conference with humanistic psychology before he passed away and amazing speakers, Virginia Satir, Francis Vaughn, who has passed away now as well, but amazing teachers and I was there and I was just feeling this expansion, huge expansion and I felt like in my heart like something big was about to happen and then as I went down to the where the psychologists and the transpersonal psychologists and humanistic psychologists shared their books and CDs and tapes and so forth. I was drawn toward the end of the room and there was two students of A Course in Miracles teacher named Tara Singh and they had his video playing there as well as a lot of books, his book that was out Nothing Real Can Be Threatened and Ken Wapnick's book Forgiveness in Jesus was there so I bought both of those and the course and I had this feeling as I was watching the screen and hearing Tara Singh speak like I knew these ideas like they were ancient ideas and it was a strong feeling of recognition so that's when the course came into my life when it first came into my hands there was a huge feeling of recognition like oh my gosh this is somehow my life's path even though I didn't fully know what that even meant and I felt like a tsunami of love like wash over me and I thought okay this is big whatever this is I don't know it feels like my life will never be the same so that's that's how it happened right there at that moment. A tsunami of love that is the guidance right that's the pathway home and I love that it was a recognition because that's the best example that we could use it's a recognition it's this feeling and it's not in the mind okay so then you began your journey and you studied a course and miracles and you went along your way and then you started meeting with other of course and miracles people and groups and meetings and that unfolded in its way share what happened then. Yeah it started off with starting to attend a course of miracles group and then two three four five a week around the Cincinnati area where I had been living most of my life and then around 1990 I started to getting this strong call to just go up to the foundation for a course of miracles up on Lake Tanana with Ken and Gloria Wapnick and so I started going up there and then was guided to actually go meet Tara Singh up in Monroe Michigan and so there was a phase that was very mystical I was meeting people left and right I was meeting translators of the course so I was meeting people from all over the world pretty much up in Roscoe New York where Ken was working with the translators and having a lot of mystical experiences would people would just come up to me and say I have to talk to you I have to take you out to dinner sometimes it was about there an issue in their own life and sometimes it was from a loved one who had passed on and they were having all kinds of questions about that but it seemed like there was all these very orchestrated holy encounters where I was used in a very full way and to let the presence of love come through and also to let Jesus start speaking through me at first more one-on-one and small groups and then at course groups and then eventually I was guided to start traveling and it started to come out in bookstores and backyards and barbecues and everywhere I went it just kind of opened up and I love that story because it is a true walk of faith and it was a surrender of the ego there was a movie in the movie watchers guide to enlightenment where you shared this journey of your own where you went out and just started to travel with no money no path but this inner knowing which was in your interpretation the voice of Jesus speaking through you and guiding you so isn't that wonderful that you were taken care of what does that say about this whole process that we're going through that's a great metaphor yeah it certainly it helps bring an example of the very first characteristic of a teacher of God in the manual for teachers which is trust because for me it was there was a moment at the beginning when I went to course groups where I felt like it was like a turning over experience like okay you got me I'll give over my future goals ambitions I give it all I give you my body my my skills my abilities anything that I have my resources it was like a surrender of say use them all for the glory of God or for the glory of the good of everyone it's basically what the prayer was and then after that it's like wow things took off in a real fast way and and I think it really built my trust because when the travels came I wasn't particularly inclined David wasn't inclined to travel and I was quite shy most of my life so this was kind of like going out on a almost like that movie at laden you know I felt like I was I was going out on a whole new world a new fantastic point of view this the song says and that was the feeling so it was very much of an adventure where things were being provided for me but not in the ways that I had grown up with in the Protestant work ethic you know I had very structured ways in which I should receive support and then Jesus was saying oh I will take care of you in ways that you can't even imagine but you just have to allow yourself to be used in a greater plan so what did you do to really call forward this the surrender of yourself and you allowed to be part of that greater plan was it prayer any guidance there for those so many who wish to do this fully I know trust is a key factor but what did you do to really anchor that in and go for it well I think it was a combination of initially it was when I received the course I used it more like an oracle instead of trying to read the book in a chronological way or even do the lessons as they're presented it was it was more like I had a modern day oracle where I would pray and formulate questions in my mind and then I would just reach down and open the book and and the answers would be given to me every single time and then Jesus would say the course is not even special with this he would take me to a library and he'd say go down that aisle and pick out that book stop pick out that book ask a question and open that book up and I'd be like okay and it was like everywhere and then it started to be songs on the radio he'd say ask a question and then just turn on the radio and you'll get your answer there okay billboards oh my gosh bumper stickers oh my gosh it's everywhere he was saying yeah that's how it works you pray and I'll give you the symbols so at the beginning it was an immersion though I think after I would pop the book open and get my answer I was so curious and I was I was so full of inspiration and like a sponge wanting to soak it all up that I would read on until my eyes would get heavy and then he Jesus would just say okay rest and relax have a snack or taken a walk or have a nap and then I'd come back and do the Oracle thing again so after a while it began to I would notice around eight hours a day I was reading the course first as an Oracle and then reading on so that was like an immersion and I think that really cleared my channel you know to open me up to hear Jesus in a very conversational way where I could see he was speaking to me all the time and he was like a little bird on my shoulder just chirping away giving commentary on things I would even watch other teachers and he would give commentary on their teaching like oh pay attention this is an important point and it was using it for discernment so that I feel like was a huge speed up to to be able to to really listen and follow later on on the road when I was facing all kinds of decisions decision points that's how it started so beautiful thank you for that and so it's that was it the still small voice inside and did you find that that voice was always speaking to you in hindsight of your entire life but it was just this point where you began to recognize oh that's Jesus yeah I think I think earlier I mean I would have called it my intuition little nudges that we all have those little hunches that we have those those feelings that come in in a strong way it wasn't quite like a cohesive stream like almost like a like a ticker tape going on where where they're actually I think once I was the channel was cleared out then it would come as a stream of thoughts that was very soft very gentle could be quite firm at times certainly sometimes ego reacted to it because it would be quite firm but it was also very helpful always very helpful and always very positive and very very nurturing it was never commanding me to do anything it never demanded me to do anything it was like offering instructions offering suggestions saying you would be good to listen to this and then it would share something but it was it wasn't like a dictator in any way it was very very friendly that's so beautiful and so again we can't reiterate enough the clear channel that you had to become you had to clear yourself out and so even then where you were able to hear those messages you still had a reaction of the ego so I mean how was that for you what was that like your ego would maybe get offended by some of this or share an example of how you dealt with that how you recognized it was your ego and how you dealt with it well certainly when it was the ego reacting if there was fear involved maybe it was fear of the future like where is this all heading where is this taking me am I going to be like a bag lady or a homeless man just wandering the streets you know it would kind of project out a fearful future at other times it would be a hesitation or there would be like a surprise like really or are you kidding me or you know it would be like a reaction and then yet the guidance was very very strong but very persistent very much like it was with Helen Schechtman very persistent like here's here's what you know I'm asking you and I felt like there was also it was very gentle with me so when I had periods of resistance mostly for me it would take the form of fatigue like my eyelids would get very heavy they would feel like lead weights like the resistance was no more like I've gone as far as I can go here and then it would be a gentle like take a nap or go have a snack or take a walk do something refreshing go for a swim something and then I'd come back all wide eyed and open and curious and ready for more adventure and I think that that attitude was was the spirit in me working with my mind saying you know we respect exactly where you're at you will not be forced into anything you will not be coerced this is all going to to come at your beckoning and and when you're ready we will go forward so I really liked that quality that that was it kept me very engaged you know and that's why I think it could go very fast okay beautiful so the course and miracles a course in miracles that is so well known around the world and there's many listening and watching this program who are familiar with it but those who are new to this new to awakening they may not be familiar with it and the information is quite special I'm getting goosebumps just feeling into it and talking into it can you recap how it was delivered it was delivered to Helen right and there were others that you mentioned who carried this work forward but that is a very I mean it is a required course so let's have you recap how it came into being yeah it it came into being where there were two professors at Columbia Presbyterian Medical Center in New York City one Bill Thetford who was the head of the department and then one of the research psychologists was Helen Shuckman and they were both working together on a lot of projects and and basically Bill was going on one day basically saying oh it's so frustrating our professional lives and we have you know conflicts in the department and interpersonal conflicts and he just basically said there has to be a better way of living and he thought she would kind of his friend Helen would just poke fun at him for making his little speech but instead she said you're right Bill and I'll help you find it so there was a joining just like you and I joining here on on this beautiful dialogue there was a there was a joining and then they Helen started to receive some psychic kind of dreams dreaming in color and messages coming through and and Bill was more the calmer reassuring her just just let's just see where this is going and then she started to take down an inner dictation of thoughts that said this is a course in miracles please take notes this was in 1965 and they were in the middle of their professional lives as very eminent research psychologists so she was quite shocked with this stream of thoughts because as we know psychologists and psychiatrists tend to lock people up who have an inner voice coming or they diagnose it and use drugs but he basically was holding her hand holding her arm and saying just take it down and let it say what it's going to say and if it's just gibberish we'll throw it away we'll throw it in the wastebasket tomorrow but when they read it you know this is a course in miracles it is a required course and that beautiful introduction came they both agreed well this seems really profound almost like an answer to our prayer and so they let it continue for seven years and that's about how long it took to complete the dictation for all the notes and then there was a course editing and things that came afterwards but that's that's how it came so beautiful that it really was a channeled piece and it came two thousand years after Jesus and so I just love that story thanks so much for sharing it in 1965 so beautiful all right well it is a required course and in my own experience in my own life I ran into it well I didn't run into it but it was introduced to me 25 years ago and that was a level of an awakening for me too and so it really is a required course so when we look at our planet and we see the outside world I know some feel heavy in the heart and they would love to step up and wake up and assist the planet in waking up so it really is a required course this notion of waking up waking up to this greater presence of who we are can you elaborate on that yeah I think even before Helen started to receive the dictation there were certain kind of messages that were coming through right at the beginning and one of the messages was that the world is worsening to an alarming extent and people are being called from all over to help in the greater plan of awakening and even though that was back in 1965 here we are in 2019 and it seems like those those words are pretty applicable right now all these years later and it's a matter of the course is really saving time so when we look at the perceptual world it it is a world of distortions it is it's an outward picture of an inward condition so it's really the the world events the human condition is a reflection of a mind that is split it's a split consciousness that that has the voice for love in it that small still voice and it also has the voice of the ego death destruction fear guilt shame you know that there's a mix in there and so we are really looking through a darkened glass like it says in Corinthians in the Bible we're not really seeing clearly we we don't have spiritual vision and we have to do the inner work to clear consciousness to clear away the mirror of our mind in order to see the world differently and that's really what the the mind training practices of the Course in Miracles beautiful and one of the things that you do to bring the teachings forward and to apply the teachings is that you look at movies and you've got the movie watchers guide to enlightenment which I think is a required course for anyone who loves watching media and movies because it's your it's your application of what's required here how we open up to the Holy Spirit how we embody the Holy Spirit how we let the Holy Spirit move through us and there's some movies that are just so fantastic there's always something to watch where you can see the the higher consciousness level of it the higher aspects of it the more humane and the more human or the the more loving way in all of these situations how did you how were you guided to look at movies because sometimes movies could seem kind of jarring for us but yet you dig deep into it yeah well I think it started as part of my own process first came the music I think I just started to realize that I I had a lot of denial going on I was sitting on a lot of unconscious things that had not nearly been brought up into awareness and so I was really praying with Jesus and saying there has to be a way to bring this unconscious stuff to the surface isn't there a more rapid way to do it and so first he was taking me to music stores and bringing in all types of music and I would just listen and have tears rolling down my cheeks and and cracking open with a wide variety of music and I've often felt I could even do a music lovers guide to enlightenment at some point if I go back far enough in my process and then the movies came in where he would be giving me commentary on movies he would he would say let's go to the matinee he would back in the days of blockbuster video rent renting videos and then DVDs and and really having me pause as I would be emoting in the middle of of a video or having huge emotions come up he would say let's pause or if I was in a movie theater I would just let the emotions come freely and my face was covered with all kinds of tears and emotions and then after it was over I would go out in my car and sit there with Jesus for maybe an hour and a half or two hours and he'd give me a whole download on you know I was saying well that's that's that why did you take me to that scary movie and he'd say no your your mind is actually scary the movie you're giving the meaning to the movie it's not a scary movie it's a scary mind and and seeing that in the movie so he was teaching me about projection and he was flipping it all around to instruct me on how to clear my mind so when it was very helpful I started using it I started watching even more movies doing commentary on movies and someone one time predicted that would be my life that I would be like Dalai Lama I think had a movie theater built over there in years ago in Tibet and he would have them watch certain movies and they saw me as kind of having a watching movies with people and then doing commentary and going off to a little healing booth and processing all the emotions that came up during the movie when they were fresh when they were fresh up in awareness and could be worked with so that's how it started and it's still going on I just did a movie with the community down here in Mexico a few days ago called perfect sense and with with commentary and yeah we're we're still using it quite a lot good all right let's talk about some of those movies cuz I know many would love to check into that and like I say I use it before I go to sleep at night and it really puts me into this cocoon where the healing takes place after the movie we could literally go to sleep you come on and your team comes on afterwards sometimes and recaps it or presents the theme and the lessons there and I love it so some of the movies one of the ones that I watched recently a beautiful movie the beauty inside so I mean I'm finding movies maybe that I watched even in the past that we come back around and hear your commentary and it's a whole different movie so even the movie Lucy let's talk about Lucy because that's where she actually expands her consciousness and uses it in a huge way so I have not seen your movie with the commentary on that but what is the lesson of that movie Lucy yeah well it starts off where she's a character playing she was like a girlfriend she has a boyfriend that she's not too sure about and suddenly he asked her to do something for him that she doesn't want to do and finds herself in the middle of an interaction with these Korean gentlemen that is quite frightening and so she has huge fear at the beginning tears she's quite afraid of harm coming to her and then through the metaphor of this substance that she's been carrying or actually is in a briefcase that's been chained to her arm and it gets eventually injected or care she's to carry it along with a group of others it's a symbol this blue powder is just a symbol of an expansiveness in the mind where she starts to become in touch with all of the the abilities the psychic abilities and the the abilities that they talk about a lot in parapsychology that sometimes are found in the yogis and the mystics and people who have ESP and so forth she begins to as they say use a higher percentage of her brain we would say use more and more of her mind become more aware of the power of the mind and she has many expansions and you see the fear leaving her she's just moving through this movie in more and more of a fearless way as her mind perception expands as she really accepts the power of her mind and then I kind of call that movie like 20 24 hours to enlightenment because it's it's it's so rapid the events that she goes through and and the expansiveness that she goes through towards what we would call enlightenment or self-realization so it's great to watch a movie like that where there's such a character transformation from a from a frightened woman into an expansive being that is ready to surrender and let the cells in her kind of be split open to the point that she can enter the quantum field and and reach that full expansiveness that transcends the body in the world entirely so yeah that you're talking about a quite a powerful movie for anyone who would want to be taken on a ride and I think the commentary just helps fill in you know keeps the perspective there so you don't get distracted with guns or bullets or other things that can seem to be the ego gets caught up in yes that's a beautiful beautiful movie and so I just want to mention as well the beauty inside that is a beautiful movie actually when I watched it it's Korean subtitled or subtitled in English of a Korean movie and it was exquisite and the whole night through there was a healing that was done in that and so share with us a little bit of the gist of that movie because it is really understanding the essence of who we are outside of this physical form and that movie just to bring people up to speed is every day the being and there's also an American version of it as well and a couple of books written but every day a person wakes up in a different physical body as a different person that's hard to wrap the head around but there's a beautiful story in that a beautiful lesson yes yeah just the adaptation that it takes to wake up with a different form every day and have a set of clothes and shoes that you can can can wear to make it through the day that was quite an adaptation but but really the essence of it is the relationship because we're used to thinking of relationship as between persons that basically the persons may grow older and change a little bit but not changing to other persons so you know people we don't even have a concept for having like a very devoted committed monogamous relationship with a form that changes so much that it breaks down all definitions of of human relationships pretty quickly and takes you into an experience of more of a of an unconditional agape love that that that Jesus talked about and that all spiritual traditions talk about a very expansive definition of relationship I remember I I showed two movies one time I was working with a group over in in Holland and I was doing a five day retreat I was halfway through and I prayed you know what do you want me to show them and the Spirit said show the movie her with Joaquin Phoenix and the voice of Scarlett Johansson and show the beauty inside well those two movies together just cracked the whole group open I've never seen a group go from kind of very closed and cautious afraid because they were all just closed down and then we watched these two movies together with commentary and then all the emotions came up and then by day five they were like running through the woods like little children that are on recess when they're five years old I the the change in consciousness was absolutely dramatic and and that's again just trusting the Spirit to give us the mechanisms and including these these amazing movies quantum movies I would say to to expand our perception in a very fast way yes a very fast way indeed and so beautiful that they returned into a childlike self awesome so let's talk quantum because we are in this quantum world we could even go deep in a conversation and see how reality really shifts in this quantum sense and it really is this presence of now so with these movies that you've watched and commented on what is your definition of quantum well I would say the quantum is the experience that there there is no world apart from consciousness you know we tend to think of of the mind or even a sense of a private sense of a of a brain with tied to individuals and that there's an external world where I think the teachings of quantum are really teaching us that that there really is no inner and outer that that we're perceiving our consciousness and so we have a great mirroring that's going on so that anything we're perceiving in anywhere in the entire time space cosmos is is really our mind it's like a motion picture of our mind and it washes away this kind of inner outer thing like before quantum physics and before quantum science we had Newtonian science which was basically that the world was out there and the scientists would experiment on an external world to get data using the scientific method and pull forth from all this data to label and diagnose and describe all the interactions that was happening in this external world and then quantum physics comes along and shows that no no where's the consciousness in that old model that actually it's all consciousness and so you have a quantum physicist you know even a couple decades ago named paul davies saying there is no world and then jesus saying the same thing in his course in miracles is the quantum physicist is saying and he's saying it in lesson 132 there is no world he also says there is no world apart from what you think so he's he's just showing that that it's a world of thoughts and and we can clear our judgments to see the quantum field to see the connectedness of everything and that's very exciting i just want to repeat what you said there clear our judgments so we can see the quantum field it really is a judgment that limits us that keeps us from that yes it's it's truly the ego belief that is a belief in separation that tells us that the world is fragmented the world is split and it's it's a world of duality the ego says a world of multiplicity a world of complexity but it never talks about unity it never talks about the unified field it never talks about energy how everything is is is connected as as energy it's it's always promoting a very fragmented view of the world and and i would say even Newtonian physics you know that falls into that it was very much trying to understand the world as if it's external and as if you can draw enough of empirical knowledge from these experiments to understand the world and i think now with quantum physics we're understanding that that the world can't be understood at all through that old modality because it had a lot of false assumptions that were underneath it yes consciousness is it so that's beautiful so when we talk about unity and unity consciousness anyone watching this show listening to it is on the path to really living we could call it a fifth dimensional way where we are free of judgment liberated from judgment surrendering of the ego and we all know it's an inside job this is an inside job so when you look at the greater hole in the collective and our our planet and and some of the chaos that's going out there in the world how do you advise one to really be present with themselves and move into unity consciousness well i would say just with the the understanding that everything that you perceive is is coming from consciousness that you have a tremendous ability and really a power to heal and to have like a clearing take place uh first an exposing of the unconscious and then a release and a clearing that um that that's going to bring about the greatest impact on the world because the world is a reflection of consciousness so i think i'm always encouraging people with their spiritual practices i'm always encouraging people to speak up when they have things that that are disturbing them uh don't stuff it down allow it up speak it up if you if that is helpful um it i'm working always with people on uh like our guidelines for our Course in Miracles monastery instead of poverty chastity and obedience obedience like the traditional monasteries ours are no private thoughts and no people pleasing those are two guidelines to let it come into conversation let it let it arise in awareness so that you can let it go and and then that will uh it doesn't matter what it is if you're watching the news or you're triggered by a world event or by a personality or by something that you feel is is occurring that is wrong you can start to uh have a new perception of it by by allowing that up and out all right i'm going to give an example here well there's a lot of examples in our world okay and i think the key point of what you're saying is don't hold it inside let it come up and out release it so for example in in our neighborhood we have fracking and it's moving into our backyard literally our backyard and now under our houses and so with something like that we look inside ourselves and say where do i feel fractured or what would you advise for something like that right when we feel so heavy in our hearts but we yet feel the need to uh step up and take some conscious action what would you advise on something like that well it's like it's important to really let the emotions come up and then start to take a close look if it's coming closer and closer what are the the sites that are disturbing to me what are the sounds that are disturbing to me start right at the the basic level because because the upsets are are coming not from the events themselves but from our interpretations of the events if if the upsets were coming from the events we would be at the mercy we would be a victim of the world powerless to effect change on all the factors and all the forces that are seem to be going on all the time but if we realize it's our power of interpretation that's where the healing will occur so i would be very specific working with with those upsets on particular sites and sounds we had a very similar thing at our monastery it's in a very rural canyon in utah and all of a sudden a big heavy machinery came in and they decided to just write down from our monastery start a rock quarry just digging into the rocks and and there were sites and sounds and machines that weren't there before and then another time there oil trucks coming in and drilling for oil and natural gas in this very quiet serene secluded canyon beautiful canyon and then we had everybody was working on their perceptions about the noise about what they were seeing with their eyes and then bringing it in to deal with the the interpretation and then ask for the higher power ask for the spirit's reinterpretation which is where the the healing occurs oh okay thank you for that thanks for sharing on that it is the perception so i get that i understand it now clearly and i think you've helped others to understand that uh because the perception of being a victim or it's wrong or uh yeah and so as i did go through and process a little of that uh after an election a recent election where we expected something to protect in this situation a little bit better it didn't get that way and so i was going my ego was taking over and i was going into despair a little bit and my higher self said loud and clear maybe it was the voice of jesus who knows it was this inner wisdom this inner knowing that said just watch and it was very confident and calm and it just said just watch and so since those weeks we've had things that happen and you can see a mobilization of people who care so uh thank you for that but really it is our dealing with our perception of it dealing with the perception so it's not easy to wrap our mind around but if we can be calm as you mentioned in our heart and let those feelings come up and release then we're clear and we can be inspired to take that action that we may need to to take but to do it in a loving compassionate way right i mean we're not here to stand up and shout and resist anything but maybe that gives us the inspiration to go and share the beauty of the land and the beauty to help other people realize the beauty of this environment that we're in right yeah i'm glad you brought up perception because um you know i i remember when i came across a lot of people who worked through the 12 steps who are working through major addictions they have to first admit that they have a problem uh if they're remain in denial then the drinking just continues on for sometimes generations but they come to an admission that the world as they know it their their life as they know it is unmanageable and they need a higher power to to have a change and i think with course of miracle students i've been advocating for years that if they all gathered around together and they say hi my name is so-and-so uh and i have a perceptual problem uh and the next person says hi my name's so-and-so and i have a perceptual problem what it starts to do is it starts to reinforce allow in the idea that instead of all these specific problems that i'm reacting to as if they're coming at me from the world i can start to realize that i have a distorted perception problem and it's coming from my beliefs and my thoughts and it's not coming from the projected world it's the world is an effect of my beliefs and thoughts and so it's a big you're right it's a big turnaround most of us we went to class we went to science class we learned that sound waves come into the ear and they come and they hit the eardrum and then the little neurons are triggered and then the brain you know we were taught that the world is outside of us the light comes in through our retinas and then the image is reversed and and interpreted by the brain we were taught a backward system that actually isn't true that are kind of like that movie what the bleep do we know where ramtha is talking like the eyes are more like the projectors and the ears are more like speakers and our consciousness is generating the world that we perceive so we are not at the mercy of an external world we are literally beginning to realize that we are generating and projecting the world that we see and we can change that picture by forgiving by clearing away attack thoughts grievances judgments and literally the world that we perceive will will change and reflect a new way of of thinking and believing that feels so good and so i would assume that you are a great optimist as you are working to assist people in this journey of forgiveness and self-cultivated peace and love and interconnection so it's a good thing right this awakening there is an awakening happening would you agree yes it it has been my experience a direct experience of of this awakening and i remember growing up i would hear from my parents you know if you if you don't have anything good to say don't say anything at all and this awakening is more you actually come in contact with the love with the happiness the joy and that's what you're sharing with every encounter with every person you meet you just feel it coming through you and extending even when i went to Beijing china one time i got picked up at the airport and they took me and and the people in the car they were apologizing for me to me for the gray skies and the pollution over beijing and i i said i love gray and they were like look and we had the most joyful connection and ride in the car because uh to me when you've had that love in your heart and you want to connect with and radiate with everyone that you meet you you won't be looking for problems you'll be extending the the love and this extending the solution see i love that it is so beautiful so that is our focus stay centered on extending the love which is the solution oh my goodness makes me want to cry on that all right that's how i know it's true for me so that's so beautiful okay all right well i just want to say that the the movie what the bleep do we know actually was a great catalyst in my life as well so uh awesome that you mentioned that and that is in your movie watchers guide to enlightenment all right so as we wrap up you mentioned perfect sense your most recent movie that you are in mexico with with a group and you had some commentary on that can you share with us the lesson in that movie and the gist of it well i think the gist of it is that that the five senses are actually in cahoots it's it's part of the egoic system and so we've heard for years the spiritual traditions emphasize meditation prayer going within it's an inside job and i use that movie to to have everyone watch their emotions as as the main characters and the human race basically would go through phases of very intense emotions coming up in this movie extreme emotions extreme grief extreme loss extreme sadness and and and then sometimes there'd be a hunger with it or rage with it but it was a very symbolic movie of let's let all this unconscious darkness come up and pass through and let's find a way where we can really see that like that quantum connection that connection that we all have in mind in consciousness that's real if we let go of of everything else that we believe that stands in the way so it was quite a quite a ride every time i i showed that movie it's it's one of the more extreme i think you know you it's more the deep end as far as movie watching goes but when you're ready that's another one that's it's good deposit and and just to let the emotions fully come up and pass through truly healing with the movies that's awesome okay thank you so much this has been an exquisite quantum conversation i know we're all elated and we thank you so much for that and again the movie watchers guide to enlightenment is highly recommended and i just thank you for my goodness look at you as we wrap up i do have one last question because to take that leap of faith that you did to listen to this inner guidance and to pack up and travel you actually have changed your perception and your energetics with money and can you share a little bit about that because you um it's almost like a there's no lack consciousness there's a trust but it's a new way where you allow yourself to just go do and take care of what you're feeling the call is and money comes to you the universe supports you yeah yeah that's like this divine providence that i think um st francis talked about and uh mother therese had talked about and jesus even talked about uh you know take no thought for what you shall wear or eat you know it just we will be so provided for so that was part of the faith and trust and then i find that that resources money anything that would be helpful in spreading this very happy message this message of freedom this message of of of forgiveness and release it comes and flows very very easily and there's not a focus at all on uh where's it where's the money going to come from uh that's not the first question in fact that that isn't a question at all it's it's just like a big orchestration almost like a big symphony orchestra so that that is true that it it took lessons at the beginning when i was traveling to trust that if i needed a place to stay or i needed money for gasoline for the car or whatever it would be provided and then after years of that happening uh i i really started to relax into okay spirit you've got this and i can just focus on extending the love and trust that everything else is perfectly handled yes and there was a movie and you made a comment about i i don't recall what movie it was but you you were going out on your journey and you ended up in oklahoma and you went to a course in miracles workshop at the end and that group welcomed you and it was a beautiful experience you even went to the cowboy museum and so my question to you is how were you guided to go to oklahoma i mean did a book fall off the shelf did something open up in a newspaper because some would say why oklahoma it started i was in Cincinnati and i started to feel i used the word impelled i kept being impelled to take a trip and i just finally gave into it and i said all right i will do this and i don't know how i'm going to be provided for i don't know how it's going to work but i will hop in the car and i will go out that way driving from Cincinnati and down highway 40 and and and then that actually oklahoma was my second my second day uh and second night and so it was early on that was like day two for me in my whole divine providence journey that has gone on now for decades that was day two and it was just trusting because i had a miracle distribution center list that had course groups but still i would not typically go for the last 15 20 minutes of a group and yet jesus said get in there and and and then the group ended and they took they took me out to lunch and oh stay at my apartment and let's go out on my houseboat and i was just blown away i was absolutely blown away and that was just the second day out so it took a lot of um experiences miraculous experiences to convince me that that i could trust so much that i could really let jesus be in charge and let jesus go before me before that it was more just like a concept but then there i found myself in oklahoma saying okay here we go let's you you're going to have to show me you're going to have to prove to me that this will actually work and i have to say it's just gone on and on for decades now congratulations i know there are many who would love to do that and just step in that and go with it full force and you're a beautiful role model on how to do that so i thank you for that and my goodness you have been around the world many countries your books are translated you've got a new book coming out you've got living miracles centers um on our planet and more probably you're going to come out of that and we just thank you for this work it's tremendous thank you learn oh thank you it's such an honor to be on your show and and i love how it just happened so easily you wrote to me would you like to collaborate that's that's one of my favorite words in the english language so it just keeps going on and on where we keep sharing these blessings so thank you for having me thank you david hoffmeister a supreme of course in miracles teacher thank you so much thank you