 Can I explain to you why I'm vegan? It's terrible. Vegan, he's like, why aren't I vegan? Well, like, why am I for the animals, bro? Obviously, because I'm not a lion, obviously, because carrots don't feel pain, obviously, you know what I'm saying? I'm going to convince me now. I know you. We'll talk, see what happens. All right. Hi, my friend, are you Jewish? Yes. Oh, bless you, mate. And where are you from? From Washington, DC. Washington. Would you mind? Yeah. Just a little bit like that, so that we can hear you. All right, so I'm asking people why they aren't vegan, and are you going to tell me why you're not vegan? So I just really like the taste of meat, and I always feel that even though not eating meat would reduce the cost, I feel like already in the super markets, there's all this meat, and if no one eats it, it's just going to go to waste. OK, but why is it there to begin with? Because the demand is high for meat. OK, so what can you do to change that? I think you can, like, supermarkets can gather numbers of people who do actually shop there and actually buy meat so they can cut down the amount that they're ordering. Hopefully that'll cut down the amount that animals are killing. You don't think there's a direct relationship between the demand and the supplier? Or do you think they just kill all these animals and just throw it all away and keep killing animals and stocking up them? There's obviously, like, they only supply it because people demand it, yeah? Yeah. Otherwise, they would take it off the shelf and put something else there, yeah? Yeah. That's how our businesses do usually work. It's not selling, they don't sell it. But I feel like so many people are, like, don't know why. Like, they don't know why being vegan is good, so, like... Can I explain to you why I'm vegan? Yeah. OK, so you know how you're having a conscious experience right now? If something bad was that happened to you or something good was going to happen to you, you would experience those things as either good or bad. Yeah. You have your own subjective experience of reality. So to be imprisoned and slayed or tortured or harmed is bad for you, which is why we have human rights protecting people from bad things happening, yeah? Yeah. Animals actually share that trait with us. Well, the ones that we eat definitely do. Not all animals, like oysters and things like that. But pigs and cows, you don't eat pigs, obviously. Cows, lambs, chickens, dairy cows, egg-laying hens, fish. They all share slightly, you know, there's gradient here, but they share a conscious experience. What happens to them also matters to them. So why do we have rights for humans and not rights for these animals who also have a conscious experience? So my argument is if we don't need to harm, kill, and eat these animals to thrive or to survive or for any reason, other than, like you said, taste, then why are we doing it to them for? So I might as well just boycott the harm to animals that I can and be vegan. But I feel like. What do you think of that first? Before you come back with your answer. I think it makes sense, because I like what you're saying, because we're all here on this earth, and we all contribute. OK. Definitely animals contribute sometimes more than we do. Like bees, we're not for bees. Like our plants wouldn't be, you know? OK. And I think that it's important, but I also think that survival of the fittest, like humans came to this world and took over. Like if we were in here, like if the dinosaurs wanted to eat us all, then they would control everything. Like I feel like the way we advanced, like we became more powerful than these animals that were eating. And like it's like the food chain for animals. Like we're on the top. OK. I'll get you. OK. So you're making like a might makes right argument. Do you know what that is? Oh, really? It's like because we're more mighty, powerful, more intelligent, we basically have just cause to do this to the vulnerable beings. Like pigs, well, I'm going to say pigs, because most people watching do eat pigs, pigs, cows, chickens, fish. We can basically control them. We can breed them. We can manipulate them when we can slaughter them. And your argument is it's because it's survival of the fittest. And we can do it. Therefore it's justified kind of thing. That's might makes right. I guess. But I'm seeing like we can have a society where lions just go eat humans. And then they'd be like, where is human rights? If all animals are human rights. Exactly. Yeah. And that would be wrong as a human. Do you think it's wrong from the perspective of a chicken? What do you mean? I actually think the chicken feels like it's justified. What happens to them? Probably not. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm saying if they could express to us what they're feeling about this, because they probably just don't know what's going on. Chickens are actually killed at like 40 days old. So they're just little babies, but they're in overgrown bodies. So they don't really get to grasp what's happening to them. But they know they're suffering. They feel terrible. And then they go to a slaughterhouse. Coastal slaughterhouse or whatever, they still get their throat cut and having their experience dropped from them. I have like a more at ease eating Coastal food just because like in the realm of hurting animals, because it doesn't hurt them. And they slaughter them so that they're dead immediately. But I also have a question for you. What do you think about eggs and milk? That doesn't hurt the animal. Well, I think slashing someone's head off hurts the animal. One, I think that harms the animal and also murders the animal. And my argument is if we don't need to do that, why would we? Why would we try to find some humane religious way of cutting animals' heads off if we don't need to? Why are we always trying to find this good way of doing something horrible, which is to mass murder? And what was your? I was asking, what about your viewpoint like eating eggs and milk? Yeah, and eggs and milk. So my argument would still hold, even if they weren't caused like needless suffering beforehand, because I'm an animal rights activist, I believe they should have rights protecting them. Now in the dairy and egg industries, you're talking about two industries that contain more suffering than the meat industries in many cases. Yeah, because those animals are exploited for a product that comes out of them. They're kept alive through prolonged suffering. So like the dairy cows, how do they produce milk dinner? Why do they produce milk? For us? No, actually they don't. Why does your mother? Why does your mother get for their children? So in order for like a human woman to begin producing milk, what needs to happen? Yes, that's good. Exactly. Oh, so they force them, I see. And they do it in a very crude way. Do you want me to explain the way to you? How old are you? 15. 15. May I explain these two parents? No, they're my grandparents. I'm going to explain the way, I think 15 is old enough to know what happens in the dairy industry, considering you drink out of there. So basically they get a male ball and they take the semen from him. Leave it up to your imagination how they do that. Very crude. And then they take that semen and inject it into the lemal. But what they do first is they put her in a rack so she can't move. And they stick their entire arm up her anus to hold the cervix. And then they get the pipette of semen and they guide it in whilst holding the cervix through the anus. So disturbing? Yeah, definitely disturbing. Now they do that because it's a more effective way of impregnation. So it's called AI, I call it rape myself. Once she becomes pregnant, she has a nine month pregnancy, she carries her calf for nine months in her stomach. Immediately after birth the calf is taken because the calf will drink the milk that's meant for the humans. So we can steal it. If the calf is a male, they don't use them in the dairy industry, they kill them. They'll, you know, maybe two weeks later, maybe four weeks later, maybe for veal, maybe for beef, but they will always kill the males. The females will go off to confinement and they'll be grown and used in the same way. She'll go for about three, four, five cycles of pregnancy. Kids being taken, lameness, they get mastitis because they're producing so much milk. Then they go to slaughterhouse with burgers. Now these cows in the dairy industry, they don't necessarily go to get Kosher slaughtered. So you're putting into demand an industry that doesn't even do something that is in alignment with your religious beliefs anyway, because they just go to any slaughterhouse and get minced up into burgers. That's dairy. Now eggs, the males don't be used either. Upon hatching the males get gassed or they go to a macerator, which is a big blender. In America they'll go to a big blender. They wake up out the egg and they go into a big blender. The females get taken, they get grazed and they'll be used for their eggs for about 18 months. So they're pushing an egg out a day, 300 a year or something like that, which puts strain on their body. They lose calcium, they lose nutrients, they die on their faces in the barns. That's free range as well. We waltz around into these farms and do investigations and you can see enough footage from there. But then they all go to a gas chamber when they're not producing enough eggs anymore and they get minced up. Pet food or processed, in America processed chicken products. So those industries are the meat industry essentially? I mean, I think it's like, it's definitely very gruesome and like it definitely changes my way of like... Is it justified? I think that. We'll talk about for an egg here and for breast milk, which when did you wing? I don't know. Probably about, what, two years old you stopped breastfeeding? Probably. Still breastfeeding to this day? I think that's different because like, it's like when you think about it just with one chicken and one cow, like whatever, it's easier to think about that. But then the way you're explaining it with like how it works within a cycle is like definitely crazy to hear. Well, how many people do we have on earth? A lot. And everyone wants milk and eggs and fish and everyone wants beef, everyone wants lamb, everyone wants chickens. So now our days, it's factory farms to meet demand. I'm still against the backyard throat slashing but now we have factory farms which entail a lot of suffering and cruelty as well. I'll tell you today, I've pretty much eaten all vegan. I haven't had any meat or fish or something like that today. Maybe I'll try it for a day and spread the word if I like it. Yeah. So wait, wait. You're not vegan because of, first it was cost, right? No, it was taste. It was taste. Okay, let's talk about taste because do you think that because you derive like sensory pleasure from an action that justifies what happens to the animals in order to get that taste pleasure? Like it's kind of a tough question to answer because like in the moment you're not thinking about that. Of course. Of course you don't. But now you are. Yeah. Now you're thinking. So what you could weigh up, okay, the animals experience a knife in the throat, a life in a factory farm, they lose their life, they lose their children, they suffer a lot of the time, most of the time, just so you can have a five minute meal. How long did it take you to eat a sandwich? Five, 10 minutes. Do you remember what sandwich you ate last Wednesday? No. So you've forgotten about it? Yeah. You've forgotten about that sandwich and that animal went through that for it just for that quick taste. You're right. It's terrible. Yeah, well it is. It is a, well, I think about this is why I'm vegan but you can actually make, you can actually take actions in your day to day life. Well, you know, and you were not talking about a big taste difference. You're talking about a small taste difference because we've got vegan cheese, vegan meats, we've got amazing vegan food and pasta and pizza and ice cream and products. But pizza is a vegan. Yeah, but you can get vegan pizza, I'm saying. Is it as good? Well, let's just say it's, let's just say it's 10% not as good. Do you think that 10% justifies what happens to the animals in order to produce it? You know what I mean? And we're talking about a small taste difference, marginal and I don't miss anything now. Now that I've been vegan for it. How long have you been vegan for? Nearly 10 years. It'll be 10 years in November the 1st this year. Feels good to be vegan. It's awesome. Yeah. I don't have to go, but it's definitely a very eye-opening conversation. Bless you my friend. What's your name again? Lior. Lior. Lior? Yeah. Nice to meet you Lior. Take care. Hope you can convince other people. Do we convince you? Or do we create some awareness? I can't just do a different app. You can look up some footage online. You can watch a film called Dominion. Dominion and you'll see how animals are treated in each industry. Where is this postage? YouTube. Oh, I'll see it. TikTok. Bless you friend. Take care. See yous later. Yeah, that sandwich last week meant nothing to him, but it meant everything to the animals. Someone had a conversation like that with me when I was 15. I'd be like, what? What? I gotta look into this. See you in videos. Cheers brother. Apologize to him. Bye. You should be vegan. This is your sign actually. This is your sign. He said he apologizes because he's not vegan, but he watches all my videos and I'm right. Yeah, don't apologize to me, mate. I'm not the one getting chopped up.