 It's the shirts. Give it away. Give it away. Give it away. Give it away. Now. What are the favorite shirts? What are those like shirts that you dictate like no you can only have these shirts? What are the more popular shirts right now Adam that we're selling? Most popular. Yeah, what are the two top? We just got Kettlebell. I don't look at those. Kettlebell mic? Yeah, yeah, that's Kettlebell mic going. That's probably flying. What was the other one? Oh, the beer ones are going pretty good. And the beer ones? Yeah, the ones that looks like Heineken or like Lyft responsibly. Lyft responsible? Yeah, the Lyft responsibly ones are probably... So what's the retail on those shirts? You're going to quiz me on this? It's like $25 to $27. So $25 to $27 you can have yourself a shirt or you can get two of them for like a dollar, right? Or under a dollar? Like 50 cents. Yeah, you can get two of them for that and this is how you do that. You enroll in the MAPS Super Bundle, which is the Cadillac of bundles, includes all the MAPS programs, everything. It's like a year's worth of exercise programming. Or you enroll in the MAPS RGB Bundle, which is MAPS Anabolic MAPS Performance, MAPS Aesthetic, which is nine months of exercise programming. So you get one of those two, which they're already discounted, and then you can get two shirts for under a dollar. And they would be free, but our system doesn't let you do that, right Doug? That's the deal. They would be... That's the freest we could give them. What else I can do is 99% off. You could find that change on the ground somewhere is what we're saying. You get two shirts for free-ish. For free-ish. All you gotta do is enroll in one of those two bundles. Just go to mindpumpmedia.com and make a decision to get in better shape. And I tell you what, if you buy one of those shirts and then you hashtag free-ish, I'll throw you something else in free after you hashtag it. Hit me up in DM there. If you want to pump your body and expand your mind, there's only one place to go. Mind-pump! Mind-pump! With your hosts, Sal DeStefano, Adam Schaefer, and Justin Andrews. I catch myself, I should say. I'm evaluating myself. You catch yourself in the mirror and you think to yourself? Goddamn. I feel like the angels have blessed me. There's been phases of the podcast. 500 episodes is a lot, dude. There's not a lot of people that have done over 500 episodes of podcasting. When we meet other podcasters and they've been on air for like, oh, we've been on air for seven years. 200 episodes, I'm like, oh. Oh, wow. We talk a lot. You've been taking your time. It's come full circle for me of being super uncomfortable to where we need to get high or drunk or to calm the nerves down. To now where you're so comfortable and now it reminds me of anything else I've done where I catch myself where I'm getting too comfortable. Where I'm almost this relaxed state. I feel like you can hear that energy through the mic. It turns into monotone real fast. Yeah, yeah. One of the things that I love about the chemistry between the three of us is that there is all these different tones and humor and seriousness and different energies. When they're exaggerated, I think it creates a really cool dynamic. I'm already like, I'll find myself sitting up to talk because that makes me like, wake up more. There's been little things that I've noticed that when I... I used to tell my sales guys to stand when they were on the phone. Yeah, I used to do the same thing. Stand up for a little bit. You're tired of calling 40 people in a row stand up for energy. And you can hear a smile. You can hear a smile. Stand up and smile because they can hear it. You can hear a smile. It used to be a jingle. We just recorded another episode earlier and we were telling Jim stories. And I just remembered some of the Jim stories, some of the interesting things that would happen. When I first became a manager, did they sell... When you got into management, Adam, were you guys selling Apex and personal training? Were they separate or was it at that time that it had to become together? Yeah, no, they were separate. But not just the supplements, it was like Apex program. And you had an Apex technician. There was a certification that we had to do first which was through Apex. Yeah, that was after they merged though. There was a time when they were separated when you had... So I was behind you guys. So that was 24-hour fitness university. The last day we learned about Apex and it was like a separate company that they had their own... They had their own like shirt and brand and they used to come and talk at the 24-hour fitness university. Yeah, so when I first became a manager, and I remember this was probably 98 maybe, 97, 98... We had an Apex technician in the gym that dealt... So when people bought personal training and they bought Apex, they'd meet with their trainer. But then once a week they would meet with the Apex technician who did their nutrition. And it was based on... And I know this all now, I don't know this then. So this is why you'll get the story. Okay, go ahead. Fascinating, that is. So I didn't know anything about it. I knew nothing about it. All I knew was was Apex and nutrition and personal training was personal training. So my first month, we blow it out. I'm a fitness manager. We blow it out, right? I think my goal was like 13 or 14 grand and we did like 30 something which was unheard of back then, right? So everybody's like, you know, good job. And then the manager comes... The district manager comes in and sits down and he's like, hey, you guys are kicking ass. You've sold, you got like 300% of goal of personal training. But for Apex, you're only like at 110. He's like, why? And I'm like, I don't know. And he's like, well, why don't you, you know, why don't you sell more Apex? I said, okay. So the next month, we blew Apex out, right? Just crushed it. So the Apex people came down and like, hey, we want you to teach our people like what you're doing to sell Apex. So I was like, oh, fuck, because I don't know what Apex is. So I told the guy, I'm like, I don't know what Apex is. He goes, what do you mean? What do you mean you don't know what Apex is? He's like, you sold a record amount. He sold like 7,000 or whatever the number was. You just broke records in Apex sales. He goes, what do you mean you don't know what it is? I'm like, I don't know. I just know it's nutrition. And I know you guys tell me to sell it and I know people need nutrition. So I sell it to Apex. Do you remember what they used to have? I remember that because the guy looked at me like, what the fuck is going on here? So back when they were separate, they used to also sell them. Remember the starter kits that came? Of course I do. $100 starter kit? They used to add like, it was just a bunch of supplements. It was like a weeks worth of multivitamins and antioxidants, a couple packs of protein power. Essentials. Do you know, okay. Now think of that from a business strategy. I wonder what Mark was thinking. Mark Mastroff, it was the owner or creator of 24. I wonder what he was thinking. What was his initial strategy and what made him pivot to NASM? Because Apex, Apex was still owned by 24 Affinis. But it was a, it was a, they built it like a sister company. No, it got owned later. At first they partnered, but it wasn't owned. And then they got bought out by 24. And then they got bought out. Neil Spruce, what, right? Wasn't Neil Spruce the founder? I think that's his name. He's NASM. Are you sure? Yeah, he's tied to NASM. Maybe he went to NASM. Oh, you're right. He did. You're right. He was Apex. Neil Spruce invented Apex. And what Apex was, it was a nutrition philosophy. We should Google that to make sure. That's old. Yeah. Check it out. I'm almost positive. Look up creator of Apex supplement. Look up Neil Spruce Apex. Yeah, that'll be good. But yeah, he invented this. We started quoting people's names in the book. He invented this. It's looking up at my phone. That's wrong. If I'm right, if that's the actual guy, whoever it was, I think it was him. But they invented Apex and it was this nutrition philosophy based on how some people respond better to diets that are higher in carbohydrates and other people are better with higher proteins and less carbohydrates. And they did this through questionnaire to figure out the rate at which you oxidize food or whatever. I think that was the terminology they used, which is bullshit. But anyway, and they came up with this whole questionnaire and this whole sales process. And along with the nutrition program came supplements. And what you would do is you go in there. You go in there and the Apex tech or whatever would give you a meal plan or give you several meal plans. And yeah, it is. See Neil Spruce. Now he has Dot Fit, which is his new company. He started. I remember that. And so what Apex, the goal with Apex was he would sell it to gyms. So he'd go to gyms like Gold's gym because there was a lot of gyms that had Apex. It wasn't just 24 Fitness. There were Gold's gyms that had it. Yeah. And he'd go in and he would say, I have this program in the system that will sell supplements and it's a nutrition program with all these systems. And it's going to be great. It'll grow your personal training business, whatever. And so these gyms would adopt Apex. They'd pay for it. And I know because I had a wellness facility and we were going to include Dot Fit. Look right here. Look at this right here. With Apex, Spruce and his team developed fitness programs using over 1500 fitness facilities worldwide. Serving over half a million new participants annually. Yeah. Yeah. They were, damn, they were so, that's a lot dude. Yep. Yep. So he was part of the body bug creation too. Yes. Body bug was created by them. Ooh. Because you're mentioning that with Apex. And I remember distinctively when that became a thing, when body bug came in and they started like showing, like teaching us in some of these courses. And then we finally had access to them in our clubs. And we murdered that. Remember we ran. Well, they were brilliant. We ran a competition amongst the trainers to not only get all your clients to have one, but now we're going to put that and, you know, test our numbers and make a competition out of it. And we just killed it. I'll tell you what about Neil Spruce. Definitely one of the geniuses in fitness. He was very smart in a lot of different things that he did. Yeah. And a lot of his approaches. He was very forward thinking. Very, very forward thinking. Well, and his company now, I don't even know exactly what it does. It fits Apex. It's the same. It's what Apex did. It's the same similar thing. Supplements, whatever he designed for a health club model. Again, I know because they were getting, they were trying to get me to get dot fit into my facility. Oh, no way. So that's what they do. Yeah. So it's basically a nutrition program system with supplements that you can sell in your facility. So as a business owner or as a gym owner, you're looking at it and you're thinking, oh, I'm going to, you know, and look, see the four pillars of fitness that they use. Oh, my God. A lot like the five components of fitness. That's so great. Yeah. Yeah. So the whole, oh, by the way, Apex was really early on talking about post exercise supplementation. Oh, yeah. They went into that real quick. Oh, yeah. Because there were a couple of studies that showed improved glycogen, you know, uptake or what, you know, replenishment or whatever. So, well, this is pretty fascinating stuff. But yeah, I sold the shit at Apex. I had no idea what it was. Yeah. That's so great. Well, it makes me wonder though, what made him go, what made him get rid of it? Like they got rid of Apex. Because 24 Fitness owns it. And I think there was a, there was a clause that he couldn't do another company for so many years. And when that clause was over, boom, he started dotfit. Similar to how. Mark Mastroff went off and did UFC gyms at the five. It was literally on the five year, like birthday, literally. Like he wasn't allowed to. I remember when the rumors were going around that it was going to happen and then like on the day. That was so gangster dude was like day one. I'm back motherfuckers and he comes out and announces on TV that I'm partnering up with Dana White, Dana White, Mark Mastroff. We're going to create these UFC gyms. Super smart. And I remember being like, oh shit, look out, watch him come. I think 24 Fitness was at all at the same time was a pioneered the gym business and then a fucked the gym business. I think it pioneered it because they were, they were really the first ones, not the first ones, but the best ones and the first ones to really do it. Well, they're the standard to make like, to turn it into like a big time money producing business. But then they fucked the business when they, when their strategy became about selling cheaper and cheaper memberships to try and beat their competition. Then everybody's prices. Well, this is an example. I can't remember what this reminds me. It's, you know, the business grows so fast and so rapidly that it can't keep up with itself, right? So it's, I'm watching the same thing happen in orange theory right now. So that's why I can give you guys predictions and I've been telling anybody that owns them or any friends of mine that are in them and they are like all fascinated by them right now that eventually what will happen is that market will get saturated enough people, enough smart business fitness people will see that, oh, look, there's the model, you know, buy a three to 5,000 square foot space, create group classes that target, you know, that targets resistance training and cardio in the same place, do membership base, very somewhat of, it's like CrossFit. CrossFit has the same business model. At a heart rate monitor. Yeah, it's a brilliant model, but it'll become oversaturated and then when that happens, the trainer fees will go down, the membership prices will go up, it'll get shittier. So I've told anybody that's in those. Fitness is such a fad driven industry. It's so fad driven. When you've been in it long enough, it's really easy to see these indicators and that's why too, like I don't even like when people like get in arguments with me or I'm just like, okay, you could be right. Maybe this is the thing that stays forever. I doubt it. Everybody's jogging now. I doubt it. What we laugh is when I watch the infomercials on TV when they'll pop up and it'll come out like this new invention and it's an ab wheel or electric stem, which has been around for like 60 years. A million years. Yeah, and they'll show like it's this new thing where this belt, I'm still waiting for that like belt thing that like shakes the shit out of you. You know, you step inside it. Oh, they'll sell it differently. They'll sell it differently. Yeah, it'll be. Who knows, there may actually be some benefit. I think there already are some of those tools still, they're still selling shit like that. It's out there. It's out there. Definitely. Where's the bird? 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And then on the other side of it, you have all these coaches and trainers and competitors who say no, it makes a big difference and I can tell when I do it, when I do cardio fasted. And then there's the science and the science actually shows that you may get increased maybe fat oxidation with fasted cardio because insulin is low and all that stuff. But in the big scheme of things, is it going to make a difference? No. I mean, maybe if you're like 3% body fat in terms of fat loss, it might make a little difference that you can see, but I don't even know if it's enough to really matter because if you're so tired because you're so fasted, it might be better to have food and then do your cardio. Now, that all being said, activity fasted period or just being fasted. Right. It's kind of a great state to be in when it comes to fat loss. That's a different topic. Yeah. Because I think people who do fasted cardio maybe end up fasting longer in the morning. So let me tell you exactly how I used to do this with myself and then any athletes that got ready for a show is I talked about I would add the hit, right? That was my first source of cardio that would get I implement into there. And then after they've gotten seven days where I've prescribed them doing this 12, this little 12 minute hit, the next thing after that would be these fasted cardio. But when I would do fasted cardio, it's a walk. So all I'm really asking you to do is to get up an hour earlier than what you've really done to move more steps. And what I found when I went through that process, it's not about the difference in, oh, does fasted cardio versus fed cardio because you know you're going to be able to do more later in the day versus in the early morning. None of that mattered to me because if I wasn't getting up an hour earlier to do fast cardio, I would be sleeping in bed. And just getting up and making my body move for an hour. I was going to burn way more calories. And then I just kept it fasted so I wouldn't have any extra source of fuel or any sugar to burn. So I'd be just said, I know I would be making more steps, burning more calories and turn more than likely burning more fat. So my theory on that was if you're somebody who likes to do in the afternoon cardio and then you don't switch it to getting up earlier in an hour and being tired as fuck, like that doesn't really matter. But if you're someone who's like me, who I'm not going to do an hour of cardio in the middle of the day. Like I just don't, I do shorter bouts in the middle of the day or I make a session about just moving or going on a hike or something. But I can't just, I don't like to just in the middle of the day do an hour cardio. So in the morning, I'll be half asleep, put a book or easy listening music and just walk, you know, and walk for an hour. Yeah. I think, you know, as far as straight fat loss is concerned, I don't think it's something that I mean, on the list of priorities, it's way down at the bottom. In terms of, you know, some of the potential health benefits, they're definitely there. I mean, if you're in this for longevity and health, I'll tell you what, doing cardio in a fastest state may help your body become more fat, fat adapted in the sense that you may be more, you may accelerate the process of which you utilize fat for fuel. So which is not, which is a good thing. It's good to have your body go into ketosis every once in a while and come out of it. And you want to have that metabolic flexibility. So if you wake up in the morning, let's say your last meal is at 8 o'clock at night, you wake up and you do cardio, you know, at 7 a.m. I mean, that's a over 20-hour, you know, or, you know, fast or whatever, excuse me, over 12-hour fast, you know, doing cardio in that state could promote, you know, faster, fat adaption. And I think it's good, you know, if people are, if you're the type of person that like won't do it, absolutely won't do it because, you know, you get sick to your stomach or, you know, I always have to eat something before I do any kind of movement. Like you need to train your body to be able to go through that process and to be able to respond when, like, you're very capable of moving when you don't have food in your stomach. You can overcome those. That's a great point. That is a great point. Yeah, like that response, like, I've just heard that excuse so much where, you know, I used to think that. Yeah. I used to think if I didn't eat, I would crash in my workout. And worked out my mind was so blown that not only did I have plenty of energy, I actually felt better. I thought for sure I would crash. I haven't had any carbs today. I haven't had any protein. It's kind of mind-blowing for some people. It was fucking mind-blowing and, you know, that's a great point because if we look at the bodies in adaptation machine, consider all the things that your body gets stronger through adapting towards. So I'll use an example that's not what we're talking about. So we had, recently we had Paul check in the studio and he was talking to us about temperature contrast and why, you know, going from a super hot sauna and then going and freezing cold water is good for the body. Now the way Paul explained it, and I know what the science says, the science, luckily nowadays we have the science that shows it is good for you, but 15 years ago that didn't exist. But he'd been doing it for a while and he said, look, he goes, your blood vessels ability to dilate and constrict, okay? And your reaction to heat and cold come from the sympathetic and parasympathetic systems of the body. And he goes, and the reason why you start to get better acclimating to cold or hot after doing hot, cold contrast training is your body's getting stronger at it. You're training that adaptation, which is a good thing. It's, it's good. It makes a lot of sense. And because think about it, we evolved, you know, with lots of temperature contrast, those freezing at night, it was hot during the day. Now we're in this temperature controlled environments all the time. We don't train that quote unquote muscle anymore. And turn the AC on. And so of course, and now we have the studies to show if you do temperature contrast training, it is very healthy for your body. Every study shows it's very, very healthy and cultures have been doing it for thousands of years. So thinking about exercising on an empty stomach along those lines, like if you never do it and you go work out and you feel nauseous and oh, I get lightheaded that you may have, you may need to train that adaptation and you may benefit from it. So I don't know if it necessarily will be as better for fat loss. But my belief system is if your body gets better at adapting, it gets better at, you know, it gets healthy and stronger. Overall it might, right? I think it just goes back to the decision we said about whether you would, when you're more likely to do it because really, I am for sure the guy who says all the time that man, I want to get up like an extra hour or two hours before I need to get up and, you know, have a cup of coffee, go for a while. I actually did this today. So funny we're talking about this. This is how I would like to do this is get, you know, I got up about an hour and a half before I even need to come in here and, you know, I got up, I walked the dogs and then I went on a walk by myself while I was drinking a cup of coffee and it was just this nice way of waking up. Now, I don't normally do that. But if I was getting ready for my show and competing and I knew I needed to shred body fat like I had, I have a schedule to be ready for the show every day I need to be leaning out. Every day I need to be leaning out. Me simply making myself get up and just walk every single morning. I added so much more calorie expenditure in my day that that made a huge difference. And then if I were to add anything to that I would add like I said to hit cardio sessions later on at post-workout. Well, what's funny is just speaking for me personally and I know several people like this. I prefer all my workouts fasted. I do not like eating before I work out. If I eat before I work out, it's got to be hours before because if even if it's just one and a half, two hours before I notice I'm more bogged down and I don't have as much energy and stamina. I could totally, yeah, like that was never the case for me ever until like the last couple of years, like the last two years maybe. And it's just for me like to go from not eating pre-workout was just such a, like that took a lot of mental ability for me to do that. Like the first one I was like, there's no way I can make it through it. Like it was ingrained in my head. It took me a long time to do the same thing. It took me a long, this happened during this process that we were all together too. I wasn't, I would never. I remember in our first episodes you would say that you need to eat like an hour before. Yeah. And I would feel that way and I would play with like one workout. So I actually had to go for a while of doing that on a pretty regular basis before I got adapted. So when Justin just brought that point up, that is a really good point because it's and even just doing it one time is not enough. I had to actually train myself to kind of get used to that process and be able to control my hunger like that. And it was a big hurdle for me once I got over it. Now on the opposite. Now the guy who used to say, oh, I have to have at least 300 grams of carbs because I was, oh, competing days. I need at least 300 grams before I even get to the gym. I remember saying that. Yeah, because I was doing 550, 600 grams of carbs in a day. So I needed all that. I felt like that in order for me to get this full workout and have energy where It just seems like no matter where you look and no matter where you turn, what making the body stronger and last longer has to do with getting it to adapt to different types of stresses. And that means that you have to apply the stresses in the right amount with the right intensity because if you over-apply it, it overcomes your body's ability to adapt. Yeah, you get sick or whatever. So this is everything, right? Temperature contrast, working out when you're, you know, when you haven't eaten. It could do, I think it has to do with food intake, water intake, like sun exposure. Like being too comfortable with everything is, I mean, it looks like it's a good idea to cross the board as bad. It's a good idea to probably have a little bit of, you know, these types of stresses and I think exercise happens to be one of them. So from a, like if you go comparison to comparison, you know, like Adam said, whichever one you prefer, go for it. But, you know, we're just kind of breaking down. It may be good for you to do that every once in a while. Right. Yeah. S. Dadario. Can you talk about proper sodium intake? Is the recommended 2,300 milligrams correct or have we been changed that? Is it still on there? Oh, dude, they're going to change it. Oh, they will. They're going to change it. You know what I love about this? Like dietary fats. We talked about this a long time ago. This is one more, it's actually the whole fucking thing we were sold. Like the whole paradigm we were sold. Yeah. For what makes you healthy and unhealthy, right? Right. We were told avoid fat. High fat, yeah. Avoid fat, especially saturated fat. Avoid cholesterol like crazy. Yeah. Don't eat cholesterol like big, like don't eat those. Those things right there will kill you if you have those. I mean, that was what we were talking for murderers. We are now learning that not only was that advice wrong completely. It's upside down. It was bad. It was bad advice. The sodium one is a very, very interesting one. So they've done a couple huge meta analysis of all these different studies. So a meta analysis is when they take several studies because you can find some that you can get two different studies that come from different outcomes, right? So what you try and do is you try and collect a bunch of them and look at what the trends are so you can kind of tease out the truth because sometimes it's the sample size and it could be other factors that maybe aren't factored in. So when you look at the whole picture, you typically, you could expect a more clear picture. So they did a huge meta analysis of these studies that with a total about 6,200 subjects and they found and this was published in the American Journal of Hypertension. No strong evidence that cutting salt reduces the risk for heart attacks, strokes, or death in people with normal or high blood pressure. Wow. And then in the Journal of American Medical Association reported that the less sodium that the study subjects had was actually a measure of showing that they would have a greater risk of dying of heart disease. It's actually the fucking opposite. Trip off of that. Now let me tell you now let me tell you something that when you've been told this for a really long time and then you hear this on Mind Pump for the first time, let me tell you the first struggle or hurdle you will have trying to get beyond this way of thinking is water does pair with sodium. And when you increase, go and increase your sodium intake, if you're used to eating 2,000 because you were scared of salt for so long then all of a sudden you double or triple it because you heard on Mind Pump, go for it. Don't be surprised when you hold some water weight. Especially in the beginning. It's not fat. That's what people will think of that. Like, oh my God, the scale went up 2 pounds. Sal told me to have more sodium. Fuck you. Not only that. That's happening. It's not working. Not only that, but most of the water that you'd be holding would be in your muscle, not outside your muscle. So remember this, most of your muscle, if you look at your muscle size, most of it is water. It's not muscle fiber. A lot of it's water. So if you're all of a sudden having a little more water in your muscles, you know what you're muscular, your muscles are going to look more toned and tight. I've experienced this myself. This is the competitive trick. Most competitors didn't know this. I'd be listening to them and they're like, oh yeah, my coach is looking at me, then he tells me I get to have a cheat meal. It's that sodium load the night before and the little bit of water they have left in their system and it just fills up the muscle bellies, makes their skin look tighter. It's not the magical fat inside the cheaper. It's like add and include more sodium in their diet because we started to look at preservatives and the way that all these packaged processed foods carry so much of it already in addition to then adding it into it. Well this is a good point to make too because where you're getting your sodium right and what the content of the sodium is. That's what you have to tease out. If you look at people with the highest sodium intake, they also eat the most processed shitty food. The sodium that's causing the problem. Basically what these meta analysis studies are showing is that low sodium is way worse for you than high sodium. Now they're not saying high sodium is great for you. What they're saying is eating a lot of sodium probably not a big deal. Maybe not ideal. I'm sure at some point it's not good for you right. Maybe not ideal but what's worse for you is low sodium. Well can you mention too like with Himalayan salt and like what options there are as far as like your best sodium. Typically in natural sources is accompanied by minerals and certain mineral profiles and regular table salt is scrubbed of all that. They remove everything and just leave the sodium. So when you eat with that type of salt it can actually rob your body of certain nutrients. Now you have to shit a ton of it for that to happen but basically the gist of it is this if you're going to eat sodium anyway if you're going to throw salt on food anyway like I do you're better off opting for salt better mineral profiles. Like I love Himalayan peak salt yeah certain sea salts a little bit better what's that black salt black salt is actually colored I learned that by the other day it's not a real son of a bitch it's like marketing but you know natural salts have more minerals in them so I'm already going to put salt on my food I might as well you know have I would tell clients if they were salting themselves with good choice like that to have a heyday go for it go to town like you really yes yeah if you're eating whole food and you're controlling the salt don't even worry about measuring it I'm like enjoy yourself if you like salt on that put salt on that but where you got to be careful because what people don't realize is the amount of salt in the process foods because if you go somewhere eat out right away because they have to preserve that food thousands of milligrams oh yeah it's like quadruple it'll go away from you real quick it's quadruple any whole food meal you could dump salt all over but what you got to consider is that sodium is essential salt is essential for the body so having too little of it can be quite bad it can be very very dangerous it can cause problems and here's a crazy statistic here if you're an athlete you'd better not watch your salt if you sweat and you work out a lot if you watch your salt intake you could be setting yourself up for some danger this is the dangerous part that happens to like competitors because they start cutting some of these dumb coaches bodybuilders have died on stage or right after competition there's a lot of these coaches out there that don't understand what they're doing when they're trying to reduce salt and they tell these competitors I've gotten multiple clients that had coaches before before they got coached by me tell them to cut their salts like their whole prep so like their whole prep they're using all that fake cardio they're sweating yes they're training their ass off are you mean flavor god yeah that type of shit not even real stuff they're they're seasoning because they think they can't have salt unbelievable dude for 8, 10, 12 weeks at a time fucking unreal yeah no if you're an athlete in fact when I train athletes sometimes I would have them especially runners if you're an athlete salt up man salt your food do that instead of gatorade you'd be stupid to watch your sodium intake or keep it low unless you're specifically directed to by a doctor J.ThomasN what are your thoughts on vaccinations whoa you sure you want to talk about that bro you did you wanted to go here you know why you know why I want to go there that's up there with the big three man you know why I want my wife is passionate about this oh I bet dude I bet she is so here's a first off I can't wait to hear Justin's opinion on this first off I want to be very very clear on two things very very clear on my opinion on two things number one and this is yes this is my opinion but I could debate this all day long the vaccine is one of the greatest medical breakthroughs in human history period nothing no medical breakthrough has has saved more lives than the vaccine now one of the reasons why vaccines are so easily demonized is because they're preventative and what I mean by that is let's imagine if antibiotics were not given to you after you got sick imagine if you had to take them as preventative medicines they would be they would be vilified more so than vaccines because actually antibiotics are actually much more dangerous the reason why we love antibiotics is because you get sick if you get a vaccine you don't get something and then get a vaccine and get better you take it and you get nothing so it's we don't see the millions and millions of dead bodies or sick people I mean it wasn't that long people don't realize it was like a few generations ago not that long ago where people would fucking die of shit that doesn't even exist anymore all the time like polio we had a president who had polio and then imagine as a parent of a kid god parents nowadays wouldn't survive with a polio outbreak how big a pussy is there send your kid to school knowing that we had Ebola that affected four people and people were freaking out imagine if it was something like polio in home which affected a large percentage put a whole town out of the population so vaccines are definitely a godsend the second thing that I want to be very clear with with vaccines is I don't think and this is my opinion I don't think anybody should ever be forced to have a vaccine you're just nailing all my points I don't think anybody should ever be forced to have anything so I don't trust here's a problem I don't trust forcing anybody to do things to the body number one it's morally wrong to force anybody to do something with their body and number two I don't trust our government to decide what we should be forced to do with our bodies mainly and not because I think the government's evil but because they're always fucking wrong you know what I'm saying I don't trust to do now 15 years from now oops we realize here's a problem with that or whatever plus some of the stuff the government's done look up the Tuskegee experiments where they were infecting black prisoners with syphilis just to see what would happen there's some crazy shit that they've done I don't fuck you there's no force on anybody but if you are a business or you should also have the right to put a sign on your door to say you can't come in if you're not vaccinated yeah but yeah like Sal's mentioning it's tough because you know knowing what these vaccines and the science behind them and how like massively beneficial they are to us and to to stave off these old diseases that I mean it's pretty ridiculous that you see things like measles and you see these things kind of making a comeback just because of people's you know preferences to you know not vaccinating at the same time as frustrating as that is that's their choice you know and so for me it's I would rather have that be the standard that people like in their kids like they can have the choice to do this to prevent these things it's just you just feel that they're stupid for making that choice but at the same time you know like there's a distrust and government has proven itself to you know cause the fact that there's like a mistrust of a lot of these handleings well science isn't always right you know and there's certain things we don't know to look at and I will say this about vaccines I'm not pro all vaccines okay so here's the other side of I'm gonna piss everybody off as usual right alright when I was a kid we got you know like a few vaccines we got you know a few shots and then you were done today there's a ton now right there's a 14 vaccines by the age of 6 wow today when we were kids we would get I think 8 shots 8 or something like that total so now I'm getting 49 by the time they're 6 so and they're for all kinds of things things that we grew up with like chicken pox and stuff like that and they want to do flu vaccines all the time dude I don't even want a kid I don't have this responsibility I don't even have to think about this the flu vaccine is well here and here's the thing not all vaccines others like okay not that big of a deal and they haven't been around that long and can we make mistakes yes and can your immune system actually like can you just train your immune system for once and to get that to kick in and be the priority and stave off these illnesses like the flu or do I have to get a shot all the time well see that's what they'll say they'll say this is training the immune system but you know for me it's almost like and I know the science okay I get it I need to become immune or whatever through a much bigger process now to a lot more things there is a there is a reaction to a vaccine if you have a child you'll know when you get a vaccine it's not it's not out of the ordinary for them to get a fever or equitable afterwards because it's their immune system activating right it's causing an immune system reaction well you do that a whole bunch of times and we you know the immune system we don't know a lot about the immune system we think we do but the biological biome was something that we knew nothing about 15 years ago now we know it's this major player and all these different things so that's where I could see the fear and I can understand that like so for me I'm a little bit picky and choosy with my vaccines I know there's doctors listening that are getting pissed off with that but yeah and I and I kind of caution because like I know my wife's more on the medical side because that's like where she's coming from whereas I'm a little more cautionary because I always feel like not like I'm I'm trying to prove her wrong or I'm I'm listening to her her thought process with that and then also like she's not really big on mandating like so she doesn't want to have to get a flu shot all the time her work like forces her to get like a flu shot all the time oh wow yeah and because that's one of those things I'm like I mean I I know that like there's been really bad seasons of the flu and you know I I didn't get a shot I never get a shot and she's getting a shot she's getting sick and it's happened multiple times where she gets the flu and I did not and so it's just it's just interesting because it's you know obviously I mean probably not connected to the shot but connected to the fact that you just have a better immune system just the immune system part that like and it's the same thing with being exposed to germs and you know people that are always like cleaning like super like hypochondriac like cleaning all the time and not you know like people are afraid to get their hands dirty and I'm like what the fuck we're still like such pussies it's you know and also remember it's it's super easy to scare people it's very hard to unscare them especially when it comes to kids like you know there can be an article an alarmist article that comes out that says you know pacifiers linked to you know I don't know sudden infant death syndrome or something like that totally messed up but all the people that are ever that's tainted forever tainted well it's just like I told you about this the sodium thing we just answered that question and I'm like I already know what happens like would even people know like the truth they've heard it before this may not be the first time they've heard the whole sodium talk before but I bet you there's a ton I bet you there's thousands of people that are listening right now that try to take that advice and start increasing their smart for me yeah not for me my body told me no because I gained weight right away well the thing with stuff with your kids in particular is like I'm a parent right I can be so paranoid about myself or whatever multiply times a million that's what happens with your kid and if I'm going to do something for my kids or give them something and someone puts that doubt in me or that fear the second guessing starts to kick in like my kids get you know most vaccines don't want to be responsible for someone you know doing the same thing I'm doing but you know I remember my son got a vaccine and then got a fever and was crying and immediately I'm like oh fuck like what if all those you know conspiracy theories would have like done and you feel like you know it's easy to scare people it's hard to not scare them and then it's easy to make these connections because most kids are vaccinated so now they've got food allergies right which is probably what it is but it's not hard to connect that right because all these kids are also vaccinated so it's the vaccines that must be doing it oh it's the amount of vaccines oh it's the additives in there so well and it's I mean it's big business you know it's big business that's the other thing to pump that out and get it in Walgreens and you know everybody's getting in on that this was a heavy topic on our forum just not that I know people were debating that's not a surprise just because I think that's the right answer though I mean being a guy that doesn't have any kids so I feel like I have no real say in this because I feel like you first have to have kids first I feel like that you have to know what that feels like as a parent and have to think about that choice because it's not your life like I could talk about I don't do the flu shot I've never done the flu shot so I choose not to now just for my own personal reason now if I had a child I might do a little bit more research like you guys probably have in that arena I know that yeah this is something I gotta think about this one or maybe I'll do that one this one but not that one I've never had to think about that well the whole argument is if everybody's vaccine there's more herd immunity and it reduces the rate of infection for everybody because sometimes vaccines don't work they don't always work on everybody so you can get a vaccine for something well not even just a new strain maybe your immune system didn't fully react to it so you may be vaccinated against the measles but for whatever reason you may actually get it maybe you didn't get your booster maybe your immune system to take to whatever so they say it's better for everyone to be vaccinated but I tell you what man there's two sides to this number one you've got the people who say refuse vaccines but then they get pissed off and sue schools and stuff like that for not taking their kids in you can't have it both ways like you have a right to not vaccinate your kid and they have a right to tell you to fuck off it's a private business like you can't have both right so both of you guys have your rights and number two as far as the you know forcing allowing the government by the way the government has forced they can throw people in jail they can they're the only legal entity that can kill you if they wanted to if they had to if they thought they had a reason they can do all these things giving them the power to force us to do anything is very dangerous and you're crossing a line already they can steal they can already steal your money through taxes which is forced right you don't pay your taxes to go to jail but we've all accepted that but right now we're forced to eat a certain way or live a certain way but the second we cross that line now where they where they can start giving you shit and doing stuff to you you gotta be very careful because we don't always have the best politicians running shit you get some crazy motherfucker running shit you know I don't trust or we get in some cold war scenario like we were before where they're gonna I mean during the cold war the US government did a lot of crazy shit because they thought it's either we do this crazy shit or we could have nuclear fallout which kills everyone so they made some crazy if we enter a situation like that and we've already given them power to force up into us you never know they might force you know in certain vaccines that sterilize people because they're like oh we need to control the population but don't tell anybody and people think that's crazy but we've already done shit like that you know what I'm saying so I don't believe in eugenics or whatever I don't believe in forcing anybody to do anything when the fuck did we do that we did that to people there were there were experiments where we've injected people with things to see how they go where we lie to them we've sprayed poison into certain you know in the air in certain towns to examine what would happen and this was all during this sounds like Kim Trails talk no no no no look up the Tuskegee I hope I'm pronouncing it here we go no no no I hope I'm pronouncing it right Doug maybe you can pull it up on the screen it's on Google it must be true no no the Tuskegee experiments which the US government actually formally apologized for doing this but where they actually took black prisoners and they injected them with syphilis to see what would happen no shit yes yes T-U-S kagi I didn't get that email yeah no it's well it's legit here it is Tuskegee syphilis experiment this was a study conducted between 1932 and 1972 by the US public health service so what is the study tell me read it well let me see just cause you said that what the study says so let's see they it was an infamous clinical study the purpose of study was to observe the natural progression of untreated syphilis in rural african-american men in Alabama oh never mind they weren't even excuse me they weren't even prisoners they were free men but they told them they were giving them free health care and they give them syphilis oh shit yep wow you're cured with STDs so there's a couple things that we've done to save for the public good and this is not the only one by the way there's some crazy shit that we've why don't we created Lyme disease right oh I don't know it's not totally but anyway yeah conspiracy come on man I'm trying to feed you conspiracy Monday I don't trust anybody to force me or anybody else to do anything well I think that's something that we all agree on whether I don't know if you want to call that our political stance I think that's one on the same side that I don't think anything should be that way I think that's really silly I think it'd be pretty amazing and all the way to where people make educated decisions about it but yeah you want them to have a free choice until you harm somebody else you gotta keep in mind cause people think oh cause we're evil right part of it yeah we made some evil decisions but a lot of it is imagine if you're like the CIA right or the NSA or these large government agencies that kind of are above the law a little bit cause they exist kind of behind the shadows which is true the CIA does a lot of shit that they don't need necessarily approval for and stuff and you're looking at these existential threats right so you're the CIA you're trying to protect the US and you're like okay we may have this big break out of this disease or oh shit we're in the cold war they're pointing nukes at us we need to come up with like strategies and they're gonna say okay well we need to test this stuff they'll never approve this test well you know what we're gonna do we're gonna do it over here because it's for the greater good like there's a lot like look up we'll just kill this this is another here's another true real real one that they the freedom of information act you know got all this stuff revealed Operation Northwoods have you guys ever read about that no but I did just read about some other crazy shit that was happening out in the ocean this was not that long ago I don't know they were blowing shit up they caught it on they caught it yeah it was doing some crazy nuclear testing so operate oh here he goes he looked it up operation Northwoods which is real and it was approved by the joint chiefs of staff to conduct this was a plan to conduct a fake terrorist attack in Miami so the U.S. government would do a terrorist attack in Miami and blame Cuban rebels or whatever or Cubans because of course remember the Cuban Missile Crisis on that blame them so that the U.S. public would support an invasion of Cuba the only reason why this didn't go through is because the president refused a side on it but it was like went up all the way up the chain of command and he said no real thing trip off that shit that's crazy that is crazy so you want them to force shit on us? no thanks now that I've thoroughly freaked you out or pissed you off or both probably both well we're all safe because Donald Trump's president yeah we're fine yeah exactly remember on your way out make sure to leave a five star review yeah hey if you go to mindpumpmedia.com 30 days of coaching is still available and it's still absolutely free also you can find us on Instagram that's where you can ask questions mindpumpmedia or you can find my 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