 I would now like to call the March 8, 2021 Parks and Recreation Advisory Board meeting to order. Can we please start with the roll call? Sue Alberg. Here. Scott Conlon. Jeff Ellen Bulgan. Here. Manoj Gangwar. Here. Paige Lewis. Here. Nicholas Novello. Here. Dan Olson. Here. And Council Liaison Erin Rodriguez. Here. Great. Thank you. Our first item of business is approval of the agenda. Hopefully everyone got a chance to look at it. Does anyone have any proposed changes to the agenda? Scott? On number six, it says old business hit. There's a typo. Just done that title. Oh, well, yeah, we'll get to the minutes in just a second. We're just looking at the agenda right now. I apologize. Sorry. That's okay. Yeah. So any proposed changes to the agenda? If not, I'll need a motion to approve the agenda. I move we approve the agenda. Thank you, Sue. Can I get a second? Thank you, Scott. All in favor. Bye. Okay. Any opposed? Great. Thank you. Now we will move to the previous month's minutes. So, Scott, if you wanted to point out where that was again. Oh, yes. It's number six on the minutes. It's just the title has the letters IT attached to old business. Yes, Scott. That is a typo. I noticed that after I send out the package. Okay. Thank you. So, yes, it is. No big one. Thank you. Thanks. Any other proposed amendments to last meeting's minutes? Okay. Great. Can I get a motion to approve the minutes, please? I move we approve the minutes from the last meeting. Thanks, Sue. I second that. Thank you, Dan. All in favor. Bye. Bye. Great. Thank you. The minutes are approved. Okay. We're now at public invited to be heard. So, Aurora, I'll turn it over to you. So, we do have a member from our public who would like to participate. And I will ask you if you can please state your name and address for the record. And you have three minutes to comment. Yeah. Howdy, everybody. Hope everyone's doing well. Everyone's safe and sound. Thank you so much for giving me the invitation to join you all. My name is Kaya Belkis. I'm at 2281 Watersong Circle here in lovely Longmont, Colorado. I am part of a development group with St. Vrain FC and just wanted to reach out and say hello to everybody and make the connection to you all that we're out here. We're doing the best we can with the circumstances. But we are looking forward and looking ahead to a really wonderful new year and a really wonderful going forward program here in Longmont and elsewhere. And just wanted to say hello and that we're looking forward to working with you in the future, hopefully to identify some opportunities for us to work together and collaborate so that we can continue to bring our many years of volunteers and soccer love to future future kids in Longmont and elsewhere. And we just wanted to just say hello and thank you for the opportunity and look forward to working with you all moving forward. So thank you so much for the opportunity. Thank you. Thank you. Aurora, do we have anyone else? We do not at this moment. Okay, great. Thank you. We will move on to all the business. I don't think we had any old business. Right? Okay. So that's easy. We'll move on to new business. And hopefully you saw in the packet a lot of our focus tonight is on the impending budget process and particularly thinking about the capital improvement projects. And I just wanted to say thank you for the background information in the packet. I thought that was really helpful. So I'll turn it over to you, Jeff. I think to kick us off for this one. I think Steve is going to lay this off. Yeah, Steve's going to. Okay. Yep. Sorry that my lighting is not so good in this office, but I'm in a second office. But hi, Steve Ranzweiler, Senior Project Manager for Natural Resources. This is always an exciting meeting for me. I love talking about projects we have coming up in the next four or five years. As I think a lot of you know, the capital improvement program is the city's device where we plan for the next five years of capital infrastructure projects. We do it for all of our utilities, our transportation system, our park system. Certain criteria for becoming a capital improvement project is the minimum cost needs to be, I can't remember, five or 10,000 dollars. But there is some sort of limit. So it's not the smaller things. Ten, thank you, Dan. Some of the capital improvement projects are ongoing maintenance. You'll see that we have some pool maintenance, some pumps, irrigation pump station maintenance, CIPs. Those are sort of an ongoing project over the, that we do year to year, but we want to make sure we're capturing dollars so we have the resources available to maintain our infrastructure on an annual basis outside of the general O&M budgets that we set. The other portion of that are capital improvements, which are either new improvements to our park and transportation system and utility system or maintenance of the existing infrastructure that we have. We have different CIP projects in place and I'm happy to go through what is in the, including your packet, were the projects that were funded in the 2021 CIP. As you know, it's a five-year CIP. So the last one that was approved by city council in October, November of 2020 was for 2021 to 2025. But when the city approves the budget, they only approve the budget for 2021. It's a planning document, but there is nothing funded outside of that first year. We continually, we annually ask council to update the capital improvement program each year based on the, you know, the plan, we've plans we set forth, but things can change two, three, four years out as priorities can change. So sometimes you'll see changes in the CIP and the future years as, you know, different priorities change amongst the city. So before I start going through this program, I wanted to see if there's any questions from the board, things you want me to hit. I'm not sure how deep you want me to dive. I have Google Earth up. I'm happy to take you fly you to every project that's in the CIP. I'm happy to give a light overview. I'd really like to hear from the board what you'd like me to speak with you about tonight, knowing I want to give enough time at the end of the presentation for ample conversation and questions from the board. So if you want to maybe run through that. Thanks, Steve. I'll put a couple of placeholders out there and then call in others. I'd love to hear more about Drag Creek Park and also Roosevelt Park. They saw them both mentioned with a variety of projects. So those are a couple areas I'd be interested in. Dan, I saw you had your hand up to out. And go ahead. You're on mute, Dan. That's good. Thank you. What's the difference between the list on page six, which is Parks, Open Space and Trails versus page 27, which is, oh wait, that was page 27 is Parks, Open Space and Trails. And page six says something different. Parks. Oh, Parks, Recreation and Open Space. And it's confusing to me. Is there two different, there's clearly two different lists. I can tell you, Jeff, or I'm sorry, that's the list on page six was the list that Jeff put together from a recreational standpoint. The list on page 27 was the list that Kathy Cronin and I put together from the Capital Project Management and encompasses all of the CIP, where I think Jeff was hitting the high points. Yep. The ones I included are all the first pages of all the CIPs that are funded, which includes some of those that are on Steve and Kathy's list. I noticed some overlap. Thank you. Yeah. And one thing to remember is that the list that starts on page 27 of your packet talks about projects that were funded in previous years. We do not spend, some projects spend their dollars from January 1st to December 31st, and then move on to the next year. Some projects are multi-year projects, sometimes staffing available. It makes us roll projects from year to year. And try to get some better light on me, good Lord. And so what Kathy and I tried to do on the page 27 is really let you know all the projects that we are working on. Just because it says it's funded in 2021 does not necessarily mean we're going to expend all those dollars in 2021. We do a full-over program when we roll funds over from year to year. David, I don't know if you want to expand on that at all. No, I think you did a good job, Steve. It's just that idea that Steve mentioned that Council funds that one year, but we still have dollars. And I really want Steve and Kathy to let you guys know that we are still working on projects that were funded years previous that have carryover dollars that take a lot of their time to work on those. So as you look at these projects that are funded, their work plan is bigger than that. So that's what we're trying to do is make sure you see that. And again, I think I don't have that document part of you, but sometimes the projects that fall under parks and recreation, open space, we're also working on ones that fall under drainage projects and streets too. So that gets captured. I think it's Steve's longer list as well. So thank you. Yeah, as an example, I can tell you the Spring Gulch 2 project that we've recently opened are going to be celebrating in 2021 was first funded in 2011. It takes time sometimes things change. Go ahead, Paige. Great. Are there other areas of interest for board numbers, things you particularly like to hear more about that you saw in the project list? Yeah, Dan, go ahead. I made a list of six different ones that caught my eye, little details, but I don't know how we want to go through this. That's what you're asking. Should I just go through my list? I was just going to say, how about if I just jump into the projects and feel free to interrupt me. That includes other staff, Kathy, Jeff, Dave, and I'll try to capture at a high level. If you want more detail about any of these projects, I'm happy to dive into them either at the end or as I'm going through. Does that sound good? Sounds great. Okay, great. First project is a long-term project that's on page seven of your packet is the PRO 05B, St. Fring Greenway. As you can see, it's been first shown on the CIP in 1992. That even exceeds my time here. What we're working on right now with that project is the eastern and western extensions of the St. Fring Greenway. We have funding for the trail extension from Golden Ponds under Airport Road up to Westview Middle School. We are waiting for land acquisition, which shouldn't be as cumbersome as it has been, but it has taken me several years to get the land acquired. I'm hoping to have that done in the somewhat near future and start design, get design started this year and build that project next year. That's phase 12 of the St. Fring Greenway. Phase 13 is the extension from Sandstone Ranch East to St. Fring State Park. Danielle Levine is the project manager for that at this point. She is working on, if you remember, we received a $1.5 million grant from CDOT for that project. She is working on the CDOT needs to approve our request for proposals for design services. She is working for CDOT. She has the RFP to CDOT for their approval, and we're working through that approval right now. Anticipated timing on that I'm sorry, design starting this year with about a 12 to 15 month design period, construction likely starting in 2023. Any questions on that before I move on? Okay. I have another one, it's kind of a general question. In this one, for example, 1.3 million is in 2021. That's funded, I presume, in the way we go, and you have 3.6, et cetera, million in 2022. What would you guess is the likelihood? And I don't mean necessarily for this one, but as we go through the list, can we just assume that these are all happening like you project? You know, it depends on the fund. Historically, City Council has directed staff at the St. Fring Greenway project is the most important project that we are using our Conservation Trust Fund dollars on. That is not the only project that Council could direct staff to use Conservation Trust Funds for. So this one in particular is twice as much next year as this year, or even more. And so it's like, yeah, is it really going to happen or not? I mean, I just don't know how to judge this. Well, it's, I would say it's likely because Council, if they were to defund this, that project for 2022, they would be walking away from the 1.5 million dollars at sea. Makes sense to me. I get it. Yep. Right. So, you know, I can I can never speak for City Council. They're the ultimate decision makers and they have different strategies and different, not even strategies, just priorities pop up. I get it. Sometimes we have to, you know, about do it about face. We did that about seven, eight years ago and had to really change the way we looked at our capital improvement program. I don't anticipate that happening for this project in the near future. But your strategy is to be realistic about each year. You're not putting a whole bunch of stuff in next year that you've got. Well, we're not going to have it this year, but next year we'll kill it. We have an anticipated fund balance that projects five years out for all of the different funds that we have. We do not go into the CIP with approved funded project exceeding that fund balance. Okay. Okay, fair. Thanks. Does that make sense? Yep. Yep. So, Steve, I have a question. This is just, this is sort of an extra. Is there then a connection from St. Vrain Park over to that Firestone area, the connector trail? Is that something the state is doing or what is going on there? And David, you can jump in. We've met with St. Vrain State Park staff and they have been working with the Firestone folks. And I believe that they have funding in 2021 to make the connection from Firestone over to St. Vrain State Park. There's also state funding, state park funding for improvements within the state park to make improvements between those two trails. City funds wouldn't necessarily go toward connecting over to Firestone, but we are coordinating with the different entities to work toward, you know, this is the front range trail. We're trying to get this from New Mexico to, I'm sorry, down here, New Mexico up to Wyoming. And so, we will do everything we can to support other municipalities and other efforts to make trail connections for the front range trail. Okay, thank you. Yes, the only thing I would add is that as Steve mentioned, we've been able to look at the park connection. The place right now with this trail would connect with state parks is at the underpass there at Highway 118. If you know where St. Vrain River goes under there, there's a potential for the connection there. Steve has looked at it, evaluated it. Our boss has looked at it, evaluated it. And we have some questions on how that might work. We also are looking at some at-grade crossings where we can still come into the park because there is a signal light down there too. So, the goal really would be to tie into the state parks when we do this. And they are looking to make that happen. And then the state park does tie in to a Weld County trail that goes under I-25. That trail system was taken out in the 2013 floods. Weld County is working on putting that back together. So, Steve talked about being excited about his projects. And I'm glad he is, but this is one I think that he and staff will work on that will be pretty exciting once we get these connections out to the state park, state park out beyond that. So, it's an exciting project. And Steve will talk about the other here in a minute too. Thank you. And if anybody wants me to bring up Google Earth, I can show you where these are. What I would recommend is that we wait until the end of the conversation. I can go back and show a couple routes because it's going to simplify Aurora sharing screens back and forth. So, but just let me know. The next project that we have in our queue is the Sandstone Ranch phase four. And we currently have that funded for 2022 for design in 2023 for construction. That is for the completion of the master plan that was approved by our doctor by city council in 1999, I believe, shows another three ball fields, a sports court, playground, scoring booths, restrooms, shelters, parking, that sort of stuff. Since we've built that project, if you can believe that the originally built projects back in 2001 are old enough now, 20 years old, where some of that equipment needs to be replaced. So, it's anticipated that into this project we'll roll into it replacement of expiring playground equipment if we don't get to it beforehand, as well as reassessing ADA accessibility throughout the park. And board member Conlon just created an email last week, which is a great concept. When we built Sandstone Ranch, we did not anticipate the Spring Gulch 2 trail and the underpass underneath Highway 119. We are planning a connection and hopefully the board members have gotten a chance to get out and look at the new trail between Stephen Bay Park and Union Reservoir. It's a great improvement for the city. We're working to try to make that connection from Union down to Highway 119. Once you get under Highway 119, you're in the Sandstone Ranch and to get to the same Greenway, it's not a clear route what the best way to get down there is. If you can remember back in 1999, there was no land north of 119 that was annexed into the city, except for concepts direct. So, it was nothing we anticipated. So, I think we'll with that Phase 4 project, we'll look at improving connectivity from Highway 119 down to the same Greenway in some way, shape, or form. And so, you'll see a change to this CIP when I submit it for this next round to try to accommodate some of the possible costs associated with that. I'm going to keep going, unless there's questions. Jeff, I'll let you speak to swimming and waiting pool maintenance, but it sort of speaks to what I referred to at the beginning as far as just annual maintenance for our facilities. Yep. And just to give you a little bit of an idea of what we'll be working on, we're going to do a number of replacement pumps and motors at the various pools, including valves. We're going to do work on the water slides both at the rec center and at Sunset Pool. And then we'll also resurface the leisure pool at the rec center. Any questions on that? No question. I don't know if Paige can see my hand. Go ahead. Will maintenance to those slides or anything be noticeable or is it just upkeep? I mean, will it be something where you're like, oh, it looks physically different? No, it's all upkeep. We have to gel coat them every so many years, otherwise they get too rough and start hurting people when they go down them. Great. Thanks. The next one on your screen is going to be a Park Irrigation Pump Systems Rehabilitation, PR-113. And that again, Timber's not with us tonight, I don't believe, but it's really just operations and maintenance. We have 31 raw water irrigation systems around the city. Pumps fail. Diversions need work. Drop structures need replaced. They need cleaned out. All of that sort of stuff is outside of what the typical operational budget can handle. And so we put money in to the CIP to make sure that we have the funds available in order to accomplish that work while not taking away from maintaining all of the rest of our infrastructure. Park Bridge Replacement Program. I have a quick question there. Is it only at McIntosh Lake, like your map shows, it's clearly all over the city? Do you have a map there showing Dawson Park and McIntosh Lake? It is all over the city. Yes, I'm not snuck through. It should just be various locations. All right. That's what my guess was. Thanks. I have a quick question again on that one. So is this a common occurrence for us to put in these types of maintenance projects into the Capital Improvement Plan because there's a lack of funding from general operations or is this something that's a one-off? It's not a one-off. I don't manage the operations side of it, but it's my understanding that they budget for general maintenance. These are anticipated one-offs, if that makes sense. These are things that they know are going to happen, that they know are going to be maintenance. So they don't always spend this amount of money each year. Sometimes they exceed it if we have things that fail in multiple locations. I think we had a bad year three or four years ago with our pump systems. So it's just a matter of having money available to be able to react quickly to failures in our systems rather than having to scramble. If you think about it, if you put an irrigation system down and you're scrambling for money, that plant material doesn't really care. It's dying if there's no water to it. So this is a way and this is not just for park operations or pool operations. This is the same for our sanitary sewer, stormwater, water systems where they all have operational CIP projects within the Capital Improvement Program. Does that answer your question? Do you want to add something? Yeah, I should say that's a good overview, Steve. It is a question. It was a great question because we internally have these with the city and other organizations kind of struggle to that when you have these sort of like projects that come up in those high dollar pieces that meet that criteria of a CIP because we want to make sure we're not just shifting O&M over to CIP. But I think there's a very conscious decision that these are very similar projects that come in that meet all those definitions of the expense that there has been that decision over the years through the city to take some of those and bundle them into CIP projects that we just make sure that for one piece that we, like Steve said, have those dollars, but also we keep them on track if we don't get behind it. They've gotten the O&M and made that chance so that it gets the fact that this actually keeps them on a radar and keeps them moving forward. But it's a great question. It's a question that Steph Afton has about how do you look at like projects and then determine if they're O&M or if they're CIP? Yeah, the other thing is that the park system is not an enterprise fund. So we do not have incoming funds from utility rates where we can generate funds to cover a catastrophic loss. So we, you know, the public improvement fund where this money comes from is very, is highly competitive with other departments and divisions throughout the city. And so we just need to make sure that we have money available to manage our infrastructure knowing that things fail. They inevitably do. And our operations folks look at these numbers annually to gauge whether or not they need to increase or decrease based on what they're anticipating happening. Got it. And I can tell that the numbers are very even around 75,100 because we don't really know the exact cost. It's kind of ambiguous. Okay. Exactly. I'm going to let Kathy talk about the park bridge replacement program because she's, I think, a little bit more familiar than I am with it. Okay. Hi. I'm Kathy Crone. I'm another senior project manager in parks and natural resources. And so PRO 136, the park bridge replacement program has been a program for a while now. It's based on some assessments that we did way back in 2012 to identify high priority, you know, safety needs if there's undercutting, meeting code, you know, some of our bridges were just were installed so long ago. This project, what's funded is intended to replace the garden acres pedestrian bridge over the oligarchy. We do have a bridge salvage from the St. Brain project that can be used for that bridge. And then the other one that's funded is there the gosh, it's at the end of Longs Peak Avenue, again, over the oligarchy, that one may not need to be a full replacement. But again, there's some there's some undercutting. So we might just need to do some structural repairs once we start looking at that one. And then we have some funding further out for potentially we've identified the bridge over the former bonus ditch south of Dickens. And so once we get that far out, you know, we're not quite sure, we'll take a look, we'll see if it's a high priority. Basically, what happened with this one though, is we did have funding for the two bridges at Garden Acres and oligarchy prior to COVID we had carry forward funds. And part of the COVID budget reset was just kind of looking at we kind of end up having a lot of carry forward funds piling up. And so we were sort of asked, you know, are you really going to get to this project? Or can that help us kind of right size our budget be conservative? So instead of just continuing to carry that money forward, we just re entered it into the CIP in the years that we thought we could do the work. So we didn't lose the projects, we just kind of right sized it in terms of that. The other project I'll mention is the Spangler Park bridge replacement is a project that's on my work plan for this year to be replaced. It's a small pedestrian bridge over Spring Gulch that heads kind of goes to nowhere right now because there's nothing east of it. But there is a development coming in with that with townhomes along Baker Street. And that that bridge doesn't meet code, it's got some safety concerns. So now that we see that it's going to be more used, that one is funded. But again, you don't see it in the CIP because it's carry forward funding. So that's another bridge that's being worked on. And again, we do have a salvaged bridge that the smaller bridge that was at the sundial is going to be used for that one. So it's great that we're able to use some of those bridges from the St. Brain project. So let me know if there's any questions on on this one. Good. Yeah, thanks, Kathy. I was able to convince our city leaders to hold on to those bridges. I think it's a good investment for us to hold on to those and we'll reuse them as we have the funds and availability, staff availability to do so. Kathy, I'm going to let you roll right into Roosevelt Park improvements. I think you speak to this one as well. Please. Yeah, so this particular CIP has a new idea for Roosevelt Park. There's been a lot of talk for several years now. A lot of it coming from the senior center and friends of the senior center for an outdoor fitness area at Roosevelt Park. And those can take a lot of different forms. They're getting really creative. Sometimes they're called adult playgrounds and things like that. So that is what you see funded in this CIP. This CIP could also fund in the future. There's I don't know what phase it is at this point, but the Roosevelt Park master plan has not been fully implemented either that that that big storage open area storage. Gosh, it's east of the ice pavilion. That goes away. Parking gets expanded. So there are some improvements there that aren't completed at Roosevelt Park, but those are not yet funded. We'll continue to kind of look at this CIP when it's time to kind of pursue total completion of the Roosevelt Park master plan. The other things I'll mention at Roosevelt Park, though, is with this project with the outdoor fitness, Roosevelt Park, we'll talk about park renewal in another CIP, PRO 186. But we do know that the Roosevelt Park playground is ready for replacement. And so I really do hope to kind of jive those two projects that the outdoor fitness with the playground replacement, then we could kind of look at those together and see what works. So we're looking at that further out. And then I do think that the concrete for the pavilion is also in this CIP. So in terms of Roosevelt Park, there's kind of three CIPs working together for improvements at Roosevelt right now. There is a separate CIP for the concrete at the pavilion. Yep. That was one of my questions. It looks like it was TBD, if I remember. Do you think that that work will be funded and done this year? Well, it's funded. We are not sure who's going to do it yet. We have to have that conversation with all of our different staff members to figure out who's going to handle that. Hasn't yet been. Engineering had indicated they were going to take the lead in it. So yes, it's TB determined. But yes, I would anticipate that it is funded. It is funded. It's been funded in 2021. So the funds are there and available. And so we will have to figure out how that's going to happen in 2021 before the ice rink opens in November. So great. Thanks. The other thing that I Yeah, I'm sorry. I just wanted to again, I think it's a good thing for the board to kind of understand too, as we look at some of these projects, there often are questions about a project in a park and who manages and who's the best skill set. So sometimes it's facilities, sometimes it's park operations. So Steve and Kathy Jeff has people that can work projects. So came and funded as a piece of then how that works into different work plans work. But I think using the right skill set Jeff mentioned engineering. I think those are great opportunities when we can capitalize on that to get additional work done. But those are definitely conversations that we're constantly trying to make sure we're all working together as we work in these these parks. But it's a it's just a piece. I think they don't want to make everyone aware of that just because Steve and Kathy are doing more than they could probably manage in one year right now that we have other opportunities and time to try to leverage this work and get it done. The only thing that I would add that Kathy didn't mention was there is also a storm drainage there's a major storm drainage pipe that runs through the center of Roosevelt Park sort of from northwest to southeast through the center of the park that storm that pipe does need some maintenance over the next four five years and so there's a storm drainage project that is pushing funding for that work in the park and so you might see some disturbance well you will see some disturbance to the park at some point in the future based on that project and work with engineering on that as well. The next project that's that's shown in the CIP is funded in 2024 and that's for the completion of the Alta Park master plan improvements. That does not include the playground replacement which is scheduled for the PRO 186 which Kathy will describe in detail here as we get to it but it's going to be adding the USX restroom lighting and site improvements to complete that master plan that's currently scheduled for 2024. Getting back to how I opened the um open the presentation so public improvement fund here in 2021 we're saying in 2024 we're going to spend $423,000 at Alta Park you know priorities could change for that public improvement fund that's where we think it is needed at this point in time that's the plan plans do change as we get into 2022 and 2023 but that is what we're committed to at this point in time um for that amount of money within that fund. Does that make sense? Yeah and Steve I would just add that you know out of these projects we have a lot we have um master plans that were done with community and neighborhood resources and some of these older parks we they didn't have master plans when they were first installed and so back in this era 2010 and a little earlier um there was a lot of work done with park development um combined with community and neighborhood resources so look at how can we revitalize neighborhoods and a lot of times they looked at their parks um so Kensington Park, this park, some of these other parks master plans were created with a lot of neighborhood involvement and you know in terms of funding we had to fund them in phases and so we just have these phases of these master plans that aren't quite complete and we want to make them whole so we try to look for places in the CIP and time in our work plan to go back and really complete those master plans so that's one of our our goals in the CIP is to try to do that and this is this represents one of those. Yeah you really want to reward the community input that we received during that um that whole process and you don't want to wait too long. Um Paige you mentioned Dry Creek Community Park, Community Park, gosh I think that master plan was adopted in 2008, seven or eight so it's been almost 13 years and we've done one phase and so do we need to re-look at what the community needs in that area of town before we move forward with that implementing the the rest of that master plan and that's something that we're always asking ourselves of how long is too long versus how long how much money do you want to spend to reinvent what you've already had accepted so that's what we're we're trying to figure out as we move forward with some of these things I don't think I think Alta Park's always going to want a restroom so I'm not concerned about that but some of the uses in Dry Creek Community Park may have changed and or proposed uses I should say and so some of those trends may have changed and we might need to re-look at that that's why it's Sanstone was the the best that we've accomplished in my time here is that because we went in and knocked out the first three phases pretty darn quickly over a seven to eight year span and implemented what the community vision that we were all trying to work toward and so that's always a struggle with funding and resources all right the next project up is Roosevelt Pavilion Concrete replacement and as Jeff mentioned that is funded $270,000 this year for for replacement and I think that is has some weight to it because of the safety issues associated with it and so once the ice thoughts we'll get in there and figure out how we're going to get that accomplished with the different work groups we have within the city the next one is Montgomery Farms land acquisition that's an exciting one that's the property at the southwest corner of Weld County Road 1 and Highway 66 and we've been buying over a five-year period from Boulder County this is our final payment so we will own that property outright by the end of this year once we make this payment I think David you mentioned that we've already made it I'm not mistaken per the purchase agreement Boulder County will continue to manage the agriculture on it until we want to move forward with any sort of improvements on that that site just got a question from the public last week talked to a woman who moved in west of there and wanted to know what the schedule was and there isn't anything in the five-year CIP that says we're going to do anything at that site that being said Council can always direct us to change that if you remember when we did the pool and ice facility ballot initiative one of the sites that we were considering was Montgomery Farm where we were not going to just throw a nice facility in the middle of the park we were going to do master planning for that whole park site if that were funded and we were that was the site that was selected so you can see how we would just have to change our approach to that site if Council the public were to direct us to put some sort of facility there that we're not currently anticipating but right now we don't have anything in the five-year CIP to do any sort of master planning or design development for that site and then the next project PRO 201 is dog park to relocation that is the dog park that is on the south side of Saint Brain Road east of I'm sorry west of airport road west of the public works maintenance facility that facility does need to expand though it's my understanding from talking with our public works folks that that need may have been reduced in the past couple years so it might not be quite as urgent as it once was but it still is an urgent project for the city we have identified land at the north east corner of Rogers road and airport road as a possible location for this dog site dog park site been working with the property owner for about 18 months trying to get the land dedicated to the city I got an email from their lawyer a week or two ago saying he's still working on it so hopefully that will come to fruition if that's the case we're looking to do some design and construction there now we can design all we want but if we don't own the land it doesn't do much doesn't do much good so we really probably need to acquire that land before we move forward the dollars that are funded in 2021 for design and construction in 22 so those things those are the types of things that may roll over based on the availability to get the land dedicated to us this is all predicated on the land being dedicated to the city not us purchasing the land it's a parcel that is somewhat um undevelopable and so we're trying to convince the property owner that to dedicate it to the city they get the benefit of the tax right off as a dedication we get the land and we're able to improve it into a dog park the next project that's on the list is pro 083 uh it's a partially funded project primary and secondary greenway connections um this is a project where we've been working on it well I've been working on it since I've been here and trying to this is a project not only for the construction of new greenway connections but also for maintenance of our existing greenway system where the infrastructure may be failing us failing the the public and so we had a great meeting with a bunch of different transportation engineering and uh park staff week or so ago we're going to be continuing to try to set up staff um teams to try to prioritize which projects we should be moving forward with I'm not sure if Scott shared with you he shared with uh staff anyway a bicycle lawnmont um survey that was asking about recreational and commuting transportation improvements that the city should pursue in the cip it was good information and it was nice to hear that this was uh designated by that group the 137 responses as the most important capital project for that type of infrastructure the off street infrastructure we uh we do have the dry creek trail connection from the sam's club village at the twin peaks east to sunset street that is funded for design this year and we're going to be rolling that design into the design of the sunset street diet and the ken pratt boulevard sunset street intersection improvements where we received a dot grant for um designing and construction there we're anticipating construction of that trail connection in 2023 hopefully beyond that we have some ideas about great trail connections that we can be making we also have some identified trail systems um that are failing if you ride the rough and ready greenway between just south of skyline between uh mountain view and pace street that trail has been in need of repair for five years uh we really need to look at our existing infrastructure and see how we want to spend our limited resources limited dollars and decide how we want to move forward with this program as far as expanding our trail system as well as maintaining what we already have i'm expecting questions on that one so i'm going to pause for a second yeah dan go ahead uh yeah so you just said we need to decide who's the we here is that we this group we you guys staff city council how do you get input scott's bike folks you know how do we start it by the way i really like the one the south of skyline high school every year for the uh triathlon we all stumble on that stupid path that's awful yeah yeah yeah no it's great um you know and that's a great question ultimately city council makes the decision so individually each path is decided by city council no oh no council funds this project now councils would certainly have the option of saying we direct you to move forward with abc right now this is just this is a budget and staff puts together the priorities based on community input based on staff input based on staff availability based on whether we have the 700 000 dollars to build this new trail or 300 000 dollars to replace this trail you know funding availability we try to strategize the funding we have available to maximize the use of those dollars while keeping our system safe and usable so do you have a on it's a dance do you have a list now that we could look at or we'll show us in seven months or not seven months but yes that is one of the tasks that came out of that meeting last week is to put together a staff group to try to figure out what you know what we want to do how do we want to move okay what what is the best way to move forward and I anticipate that list coming to prab and tab I think bicycle lawn mints input was valuable and continues to be valuable there's no great rhyme or reason if I live in southwest lawn munt I could think that some trail connection underneath 75th the most city if I live in northeast lawn munt the oligarchy ditch is the most important trail if I live by right school replacement that trail it's you can't just listen to the public you have to look at the system as a whole try to make the best decisions that we can city council always has the opportunity to give direction and so I would say if if there is a particular segment that the public or the board is looking to get either replaced or built using your ability to speak with council as a board member as a board as a whole or as a citizen is the best way to go about that we certainly take that in that input as city staff but we're juggling a lot of different thoughts from a lot of different people a lot of different vantage points so it's never a clear science as far as this you know I came up with a evaluation criteria a number of years ago and as we got into it my criteria failed it just it was it was so it's so easy to poke holes in a criteria depending on which vantage point you're coming at it from that it's really hard to come up with a firm system to prioritize which project should move forward it really is a funding staff availability and need-based process but the process itself is not formal it sounds like it's pretty low-key we don't as proud expect to I mean I don't remember doing this in the previous three years things just happen because you guys no I get it you are the ones on the ground but it'd be great for bicycle lawnmot or for individuals to be able to help you prioritize we we did a pretty extensive public outreach about eight nine years ago and I was talking with Tom street who was the engineering administrator for the transportation network and he and I worked together on that previously and he said it'd be great to do that it's not great to do that in the world of COVID it's nice to get a big map on the people you know so that I'm not going to use COVID as an excuse because it's only been around for a year but I think we need to reevaluate how we engage the public and this is not just for PRO 083 missing greenways but it's also for TRP 105 missing sidewalk connections and T 11 different transportation connections the EUMC program that council adopted about three four years ago you know there's limited resources we all know that what's the biggest for what what's and you know another thing that we're talking about as city staff a lot right now is equity you know how do we make sure the decisions that we are making are equitable for all citizens not just those that um we do you will right well not necessarily that but Scott you know looking at the the map that you provided today in the document you sent me and knowing the people who responded it's a little bit old town centric and uh of users and so we don't necessarily hear from the folks that are on the outskirts of the city who are also are citizens we want to make sure that we're making equitable decisions so it's it's tough I'll be the first to admit it go ahead Scott okay yeah um Steve I think that was going to be my my point as well is um in our study new shiny things always beat out maintenance and so um and also where you live uh determines where you want things fixed so it's hard to get to certain neighborhoods to get them to participate um we've done a lot of things with the Y and that sort of thing but really there's not a lot of feedback unless you're really in those neighborhoods trying to get feedback from them and so um yeah it would be interesting to see if there was a better way to to look at prioritization um because maintenance is maintenance um I think to some extent people expect if it's going to be there that should be taken care of and that new shiny things may be secondary to making sure those people in those neighborhoods are still taken care of um my only comment about kind of like equity in those areas that seem to get missed on the CIP or um the ones that we're talking about here that have maintenance issues and we're already looking at you know for me a great shiny thing is the village at the peaks connecting to um south sunset but it's near where I live and it's where I want to go but um the other neighborhoods that aren't being addressed um I think we need to look at those things that we have in the city that are just not the same standard um as some of the new things that we're building yeah I was sort of surprised that that village at the peaks one was the top list from your group I I wouldn't get that yeah I was surprised too yeah Kathy anything to add David that this is a tricky subject trail priority is really really tricky I do have just one quick thought that you all will notice when you look at our projects more broadly is that right now we're sort of we do look at equity and moving our investments um throughout the city and right now I feel as though we're doing it somewhat intuitively we're doing it through guidance with our parks recreation and trails master plan but if you look at this type of project where we're trying to make connections and trying to go back into the city and look at the oligarchy and you know connections within the city you'll notice that we're also trying to move out you know we just completed the spring gulch number two connection out east Steve and Daniel working on st brain connection so we kind of we kind of try to go out and then in and then out so we we are trying I hope you see that in in what we submit in the cip that we're paying attention to that um and while it takes a while to get to some of these projects we are trying to do that in in how we submit our cip and and try and try to be equitably at least geographically but also that becomes socio-economic and and all of those factors so we are trying to create that balance in our in our projects so we might need to find a way to make it a little less intuitive and a little a little more measurable I think that's our goal um city-wide um but we've always tried to do that and we look for it to continue that and council member Rodriguez I don't know if you have any thoughts on this this is you know I know equity is a big goal of our council and and how we try to distribute our limited funds to make a big impact for all residents I don't know how many people receive me because this is still set to apparently the shared screen anyway just a couple thoughts real quick in the sense that you know I think we start going through budgetary conversations probably around August as far as timelines are concerned and if the body the crab body or individual members of crab would like to make their their preferences known that's probably a better time to make them than say now when we're still months out from actually talking about the the budget outside of that you know I also had another thought based on the conversation I was just hearing in that you know I find that generally speaking a lot of the more affluent neighborhoods have future parks as I called them they're undeveloped park lands and so seeing how uh refreshes and some redesigns of parks are actually going into probably parks that I would say are more equitable in that concept um and then as far as general like let's say bicycle longmont which I just got that email today as well those kinds of suggestions again I would suggest that they be resensed closer to uh budget conversations that the city council has to say and that's just my opinion from the council side of it the the the conversation because I don't think I've heard anything that I would disagree with as far as what the staff has said tonight um and I don't think we necessarily uh unless prompted by either a border commission or by a good number of residents would look at certain CIPs above one or another outside we're just trying to see what our general budget constraints are based on this and so those are my thoughts on it at this time I'm I'm sure that you know I don't know if there's any questions about that but it's hard to say because at the end of the day I'm I'm one of seven and so those are just kind of I guess my general read on it as well as I I can't necessarily provide you with a general consensus from the other council members until we're further down those conversations. Jeff did you want to add something? Yeah I just wanted to mention looking at our calendar for the year we have a comprehensive trail system on our agenda for June so that might be a great time to lead us into what Erin was just saying for August and feedback to council. Thanks that sounds great Jeff. Yeah I appreciate that and you know yes didn't mean to put you on the spot there Erin but um I think you speak to the general consensus of the council as far as the need for spreading the wealth. The next project in your packet is Dry Creek Community Park which is a funded community partially funded project you'll see in 2021 we have money for the design of and 2022 construction of the replacement of the synthetic turf I'm sorry replacement of the underperforming fields at the park that are not currently being used to their most intense community park level that we expected partly because of the groundwater issues that are affecting the the health of the turf so what we're looking at is either raising the fields or more likely replacing them with some sort of a synthetic field um synthetic turf surfacing you'll also see in 2024 we've had discussions internally about and as I alluded to earlier as long the longer you wait to implement a master plan that you have approved the less community buy-in there is so we have potentially funded in 2024 uh the design of the balance of the community park and then partial funding in 2025 for implementation of the balance of that park so one of the things that and I mentioned before that maybe we before we move forward with that later project we need to really look at what is actually in that park and how the community has surrounded has evolved around that park trends change maybe we need to be doing some sort of public process to re-look at what we include in that park within the budget that we have set and so you know one example that I'll give is that that sledding hill everyone loves the sledding hill everyone loves the uh the the BMX or the biking hill that's there that hill was only there as a placeholder we just didn't want to spend the money to move that hill across the park to the western side of the park where it's supposed to be that's where the sledding hill for the master plan is supposed to be people have created a sort of a cycle track or BMX area on the western part of the park because it's not being used by anything there are other master plan facilities planned for that area do we need to re-look at the master plan and maybe there's a higher and better use I don't I don't have the answer to that but that's something that we need to be asking ourselves as a city as staff as the board and figuring out how we move forward that as we try to implement this master plan in uh in 2024 this would not be the first or last master plan will be updated within the city that happens all the time hey should you that was part of my question yeah because I mean I've lived here for about 11 10 years um and that you know there that area has just grown exponentially and you know there's a lot of families a lot of kids a lot of potential uses for recreation facilities in that area and it's fairly undeveloped in terms of what it could be I mean I don't know if the vision is that it's you know a sandstone-ish facility or something smaller I know there was at one time contemplated or you know at a recreation facility a building there as well and so I just wonder if there is a way to sort of accelerate that process if you feel like you know we need to revisit and I I think it would make some sense to do even some kind of expedited public revisit to that plan and see what kind of feedback you get but I think it would be great to see um to see that move forward sooner than later because there is a lot of demand and you know right now it's you know it's kind of a big pile of dirt and a lot of fields I appreciate that um I think our most urgent need is trying to get those fields to the point where they can be used and heavily used to support the infrastructure we built around them the parking and the restroom and all that other sort of stuff um the rec center there is a very logical thing but that is something that's not going to be approved by it's it's going to have to come through a ballot initiative it's going to have to come through the efforts and uh and our staff worked on several years ago and try to get the public to buy off on building some sort of recreational facility there because it's going to be in the 20 to 30 million dollar range that's outside of our capital typical capital budget other amenities that are in the master plan for that park are another outdoor recreational pool just east of the I'm sorry just west of the possible recreation facility that would help to relieve some of the impact on sunset pool sunset pool was built in 6345 Jeff correct me somewhere in here and 64 four yeah so that's that's it's it's I wouldn't say it's served its purpose but it's certainly up there as far as its use and so we certainly have as a town of in 64 we were at 45,000 people now are 100,000 people we probably need another outdoor um pool facility that was the location we selected for that um east of there there were two or three ball fields there were outdoor handball courts there was a maintenance facility there was a select hill there was a a interactive water area I think with a decade's worth of reflection we could probably look at that and improve that um based again based on trends based on development around that area with the creation of the synthetic turf fields there is talk about creating those making those fields lit because you can program those fields 11 months out of the year especially when it's dark in the winter months when it's warm enough to be playing on them I feel as though there needs to be some sort of a public process around that just to notify the public that that's what we're thinking because although community parks and on every document that the the plants and development plants for those houses it does say that community parks typically have lit ball fields we would want to make sure the public understands what we're trying to do and the the lighting technology has come a long way since I think people can so the cutoff technology is there where it's not going to adversely impact um not only the neighboring homes but also the wildlife along the dry creek corridor I'm confident we can we can overcome that that being said that might be a lead in to talk to the public about what they might want to see at this park that's different from the master plan that has already been adopted by city council back in 2007 or 2008 so I could see that happening in the next 18 months that conversation but um as far as redoing the master plan I think that'd be something that we would be pushing to 2024 when we have the funding and possible staff time to work on that does that make sense what would it take to encourage that public engagement to happen oh well we well COVID aside we would have public meetings and we would invite the folks out to whether it's on site whether it's at Silver Creek High School one of the elementary schools or middle schools um we would I mean do you mean is there anything we can do to make that happen like encourage the city to think about doing that on a faster time frame as my question or is it just it'll happen when it happens that's not my decision um David I'll pass that to you so with us yeah so here so there you go so Paige I think recommendations on this board definitely help and um the thing that I think we're always looking at is if we want to do that we can be encouraged to do that but it means something else has to get pushed back I mean with the with the staff that um we have and the process we have and the CFP we have it just really means that what do we want to not do so we can move this forward and it's a prioritization that's just like with the trails piece that um we need to make sure that we are engaging everyone um because that that will have real impact those other communities and user groups that um we're expecting something another location so this input definitely helps us as we look at moving forward but um it really is it all has that that effect of having to make a change someplace else at this point right Minos Steve what part of field is being planned to change to the synthetic turf is this the whole park or just part of the park basically the area that's below the slopes down there where all the soccer and um activities are supposed to be taken be taking place um but it says the activities that it says the detention pond to replace so detention pond is further uh north side of field did I think the question is lower area cricket okay yes no we would not take away cricket it'll incorporate cricket in whatever we do and you would be one of the stakeholders you the cricket group would be one of the stakeholders that would be part of that conversation where there's effort to try to eliminate cricket tell me can cricket happen on synthetic turf yes it can yes okay and the cricket would be definitely happy to replace good there you go yes no that's great yeah there's no intent to change um the potential uses it's just trying to make it usable more usable for bigger user groups because our community parks are designed and built and funded to be active intensive recreation areas currently we're not we as a city are not using that in that intensive way because of the status of that turf absolutely yeah that's what that community park is for no thank you let's see the next hey look at that next project is pr 186 i'm gonna let kathy speak for a while and take a rest well this project is the kind of what i call the park renewal program um park infrastructure rehabilitation and replacement and this uh this cip is is one of those um in ongoing programs for rehabbing our parks and you know it's been in place for a long time it really got a boost when we passed the park in greenway maintenance fee um back in 2014 i think so it got a lot more funding and it was supported by the parks recreation trails master plan to take care of what we have um so we've done a lot with this cip um right now um this year um aphelter park upgrades is under construction right now um and that is replacing the restroom shelter pump building there's a big hole out there right now who's been by um but uh that's under construction but it also upgraded the ball field that's out there that is um done and ready for play this summer um it also upgraded ADA improvements hopefully when this project is done it'll be fully ADA compliant so there's you know sidewalk improvements improvements to get into the tennis court and basketball court and things like that the playground um was replaced back in 2016 so that's not a part of this current project but that was done so that's underway also this year of funding is going to do the Lou Miller park renewal um that's um the design is almost complete i hope to get that bit soon and have that under construction this summer um and then um this project also we talked about the bridge um this at Spangler park um since both this project and the bridge replacement project are utilizing public improvement and um park renewal funding meaning the parking railway maintenance fund um the Spangler bridge is actually funded out of this one um this year so again that's funded this year and then upcoming projects um we kind of look at we prioritize annually and I get together with staff um primarily parks maintenance staff to really kind of relook at it every year and make sure that um we're hitting the highest need things because sometimes it can be a whole park renewal project like garden acres was a big one out of this um and then sometimes it's just gee we need to redo the the fencing or a playground or or something really specific in a project but real quick um some of the upcoming needs and I don't have them in specific years yet I apologize but the high priorities that we see right now include hover park um again Steve mentioned the sandstone ranch playground just the pieces that have had to be removed because of wear and tear um sunset price park um there's some renewal needs with the playground and the shelter um but we might look at that more of that as a master plan update because this is another cip project that's affecting the park um the tank the water tank not the water tower but the water tanks at that site are are going to be replaced and it's going to be one tank that's smaller and so that kind of opens up some opportunities at that site so we're going to look at that um Thompson park the playground and the shelters need some renovation um to garden makers something we didn't get done was replacement of the sports lights and the parking lot lights to hopefully go to led on that um union reservoir the the existing um site there really needs some um tlc in terms of restroom upgrades um and things like that just to serve the existing users out there park centennial park is is one that's on the on the radar for kind of looking at that park holistically and um doing a park renewal project there um I mentioned the Roosevelt park playground Rothrock Dell park um we did a playground replacement there but the restroom needs to be looked at ADA compliance kind of safety there's some trip hazards in the sidewalk um golden ponds the restrooms and shelters and in a lot of this can be site furniture just you know we just need to go back in those places and reinvest um pratt park the playground um and other um ADA type improvements and valley park so that was kind of a quick laundry list of just what we've been talking about among staff that that are kind of on the radar but again we just kind of look at it every year sometimes we have to go back out and revisit these sites to go okay which is the most need and again we we try to focus on safety ADA compliance and and just anything that gosh if we don't get in there and fix this we might have to decommission it you know um trying to stay and over the years I really feel like we've gotten over this hump where we're able to keep up we did a lot of catching up over I would say over the last eight years or so we've been trying to catch up um and now I feel like we're in a position where we are sort of keeping up um so that's that project if there's any questions I have one page yep go ahead sorry I was on mute that's okay so uh we had a call public who invited to be heard October um Patsy was her first name and I can't remember her last name talking about tennis backboards and the dearth in the city and uh unusability of at least one of them car park um is this where we would perhaps insert such a thing a replace the one at car park add one somewhere I just you know I'm looking through the list and I don't know how you get an individual item in but when we when she spoke our response was the CIP process and trying to get this going and when she heard it's a five-year process I think she've all blew a gasket to me the next weekend like it's gonna take five years to get a tennis backboard so I don't know how this works but that was a request and I know uh based on the tennis folks at quail that they would all love to have more tennis back backwards while I'm on the tennis subject on your other CIP list it starts on page 27 number PRO uh 150 is a tennis shelter at quail and it last year I thought that was going to happen in 2021 but now it says TBD so did that fall off the list somehow I'm just thinking if you guys go down to quail on a weekend day or even a weekday nice weekday that place is packed so there's a lot of gung-ho-ness going on that we could satisfy well I apologize I wasn't at the meeting where the backboards came up I do remember it being discussed I would venture to say and I don't want to go against any direction that was given a single item like a backboard being repaired probably not reaching the CIP level in and of itself okay um and do I thought I recalled our maintenance staff kind of getting that on their radar where gee if it's already there and it just needs some maintenance in order to be used that's one thing um the other part of it is um you know if if they're courts that don't currently have backboards and that's kind of a change of use where we want to have some public input you know gee is that gonna you know cause problems with other uses things like that so when we're adding things we'd certainly want to have a conscious discussion and ask more than just a couple people who are meeting the request to make sure um we're implementing the right improvements you know um so so I I don't know if you have anything more to say about those car backboard that car backboard request but I wouldn't think that it rises it could rise to a CIP if it were combined with more you know more improvements that need to be done at that site possibly well the site at car has individual one by six boards that run vertically they are all warped so when you hit against it you get a nice scattergun return um so I don't think it's repairable in the sense of pounding the boards down it's more likely you'd have to replace it the model nowadays I'd say is the ones at the naiwat high school courts they're beautiful and I don't know what the material is they use but it's some sort of composite so I have no clue what such a thing costs but I think Patsy's comment and folks that I see in the tennis community is that we need more of them in the city and so whether that's on an existing court or a separate thing like at abhalter I don't know whether which is better use wise um but I just threw that in there because this seems like the uh are the the project number where that would fit if it got to a $10,000 kind of thing and then separately was that shelter at quail that has its own that looks like it's changed dates or whatever it went from 2021 I thought to TBD yeah and just to to complete the yeah the car thing it could be maintenance it could be a CIP project and again as you can see how many projects we have it just really becomes a staff time issue can a maintenance staff person get to that type of project and a CIP project manager and you know if we if we jump to those project requests you know it takes time away from these other projects that we're trying to to work on so we try to find that balance of you know where can we fit it in um and then you know I think I'll let Steve speak to the quail projects that he was working on that yeah sorry Scott I'm going to jump in before you uh get your hand um unraised okay Dan the the yeah you know the funds for the tennis court project were pulled when we went into COVID we're coming out of COVID the funds are still there I'll be honest there's only two of us there's so many people that can that can can manage the design and construction of these things they are complicated they do take you know where that shelter is going to go there's a subsurface irrigation system that would need to be reworked and um yeah we have the the funding for it we are trying to prioritize the projects as best we can with the resources when I say resources I mean staff I I separate funding and resources funding is money resources is staff and there's only so many uh things that we can be working on at the same time and sometimes things take a lot more of our time than we expected resilient same frame project is a great example of where uh I've been involved in Danielle been involved a lot in that project because it's really important and it's the biggest we have going on in the city and so we are trying to prioritize how much effort we make toward improving our park infrastructure as much as we can the one thing I would say as far as tennis is that for the tennis community within Longmont we did just in the past three four years build a 10 court USTA complex for the tennis community that we spent two and a half three million dollars on that um took a lot of staff time and funds and things and so I understand the need for backboards um I think we can look into any sort of maintenance that we want to do at car I was laughing at myself because I was thinking that might just might just make you a better tennis player if the ball comes back to you with a funny bounce well I it wasn't a criticism at all Steve and that's fine I just want to be able to give feedback I appreciate it no I appreciate money's there it's on the list that's what I'll tell folks and it'll happen how soon is tbd so we'll see what happens that's fine thanks and you you can't imagine how many requests we get from the community on awesome projects we would love yeah yeah I get it Phil whether it's pickle ball whether it's tennis whether it's bike skills whether it's BMX whether it's inline hockey you know all these different things are there is not a thing that people are suggesting that is wrong it's just there's only so many things we can do and as David alluded to when we make a decision to move forward on one thing we are pulling resources and funds away from another thing okay was more of an info thing I didn't mean to push sorry no you're fine you're fine I didn't take it it's good to hear go ahead David yeah and I just want to reiterate dad that it's not pushing at all it really is a story that we have to a better job telling because um and it's not just the community it's internally jeff has great ideas and senior center has great ideas and like well we'll bring the dollars and we'll we'll help get contracting all those things have those those pieces that steven can't be involved with the hub that's in the overall park and then we have an asset that timber has to manage so it sounds very bureaucratic and sometimes it feels that way but um it really comes down to just the people I have drawn these projects and how we do a better job is saying we'd love to do that um even when people bring the dollars to say we will help you with that it really means that steve or kathy have to leave another project to come over and do that it's a piece of i've been struggling with them and internally um as well because other like the other work groups have the exact same request of this so not a bad one it's a great question dan and one that they say if you're bringing information back um if you can help us share that message that that to be determined is as fast as we get some stuff done we're going to move on to the next one and we even talked about how we could prioritize some of those smaller ones to see if we could bring another resources help because steve when steve said resources even dollars i'm looking at are there other people like just bringing engineering to do what he has are there things we can do um to see if we can try to get some of those one-offs that um are a great idea but we just don't have the staffing to deal with right now so again I appreciate the question dan and I hope that really doesn't feel like we're pushing back either thank you thanks all right Scott um just to to get to uh backboards I've talked to timber in the last couple of weeks about the backboards uh den and um they're either ordered or in the process of being ordered so it was it was going to be a project for some of the scouts and he said it's so easy to do that that staff is just going to do it so the scouts are going to take care of the aphelter park like board there the big 60 foot you know backboard there but a lot of those other wooden ones are going to be coming um composite and I guess there are going to be new ones added to it so I think that's what you get I hadn't heard that cool thank you thank you Scott and that's what I didn't want to step out in front of timber because uh he did have a scout project working on the one I know that and I just saw the email the other day so Scott thanks for confirming that um and that's what it plays Dan that you know Steve and Kathy talked about some of these other ones that um we can take down to that 1M level and say this really isn't a CAP project but Steve and Kathy were in mind me they sometimes they'll the needs been to manage that project still I mean you need a contract you need to watch the kids how does that really work in and how can we use that's why I started talking about those other resources using Tim for his staff to potentially manage some of those other other projects using engineering to manage some of the projects so we're trying to be as creative as possible thank you Scott I love that Scott is a cycling advocate and a tennis savant um and I also love the state champs as far as their facilities they're supposed to have good facilities they're the state champs they were a few more um projects on the list and Jeff you had a couple of them I'm not sure how quickly you want to go through or if at all but the Callahan house improvements and uh the yep and community the community services uh specialized equipment Callahan house these and these two are they fall under the category of maintenance Callahan house uh became a part of recreation a few years ago we need to do work on concrete in the driveway and the other two are tied to replacing windows and fixing the curved leaded window if you could go to the next one Aurora so this one is really a community services wide CIP which includes not only recreation but the library museum senior services and we have 511,000 plus dollars this year of that 421,000 of that is for recreation equipment and what we found over the years was that we were never able to replace our equipment in a way that would keep people coming back to our facilities without replacing some of these recreation things it would have an impact on our cost recovery during normal times not not necessarily right now but it it's a wide variety of things ranging from scoreboards at the rec center rollout replacement of rollout uh bleachers sound replacement of the sound system at the memorial building work on the playground outside of the memorial building which was tied to our preschool program when we did it we're looking at taking the playground out and making it more of a program area with uh some of the playground type of uh surfacing there's replacement of some of the um fixtures out at sandstone ranch and it also includes replacing the ice mats where the glycol flows to keep the ice frozen to replace that also that's all i had unless so i had a question okay i'm sorry go ahead Aurora to the next one yeah next slide and i'm just gonna so these are engineering projects um that Kathy and i sort of keep track of because they do impact what we do as well TRP 105 is missing sidewalks as i alluded to earlier we're trying to make connections for pedestrians and cyclists i don't care whether it's along a road as a sidewalk or along a creek as it's a greenway we're trying to make sure we're using best using our dollars to provide the best connections that we can make within the city and so there's constant overlap between T105 and PRO 83 next slide Aurora um this is the boston avenue bridge over the same frame river just so you're aware of it it is the um we are at about 60 design with this bridge and this uh we just this week close the underpass at boston avenue um right there by the left hand brewery that underpass will remain closed for a couple years now uh with the there's there's a the next slide shows the rsvp project the rsvp project is um active downstream of that bridge as well as upstream of that bridge with some utility relocation projects we should be going out to bid uh and starting construction in the fall of 21 for the boston avenue bridge project that should take about a year so it'll be a year year plus so that it'll be late 22 early 23 before that underpass is opened again but uh natural resources staff is looking at those plans and making sure that we're going to be building back infrastructure that will allow for a safe trail um underpass at that location next slide spring galtz 2 drainage um that i alluded to that earlier that's the connection from union reservoir and county road 26 down to highway 119 in sandstone ranch uh we're working we have funds to um finalize the design in 2021 hopefully of that last phase the most complicated part of that which is an underpass underneath the bnsf railroad there just west of the smuggers plant um we had a meeting last week and i think there was general consensus among staff that this is one of the highest priorities for trail transportation projects within the city uh just to try to make that final connection from northeast laumont down to sandstone ranch in the same spring greenway if you really if you look at a map of the city and you look at the the way the greenways and the trails work northeast laumont is really segmented it does not have a lot of connectivity so connecting this area of town out to union sandstone in the same spring greenway and back into town or eventually east out to same frame state park is it really a very fantastic exciting project to complete and so we're hoping we we don't have the funding set up yet but we're trying to we'll be looking to prioritize that in the next year two three of uh of the cip so as we bring the 2022 2026 cip forward you'll see where we end up with trying to fund that project hey steve could i jump in real quick please to point out that in that meeting um this is where our budgets get tight and that they were a good point talked about do we want to prioritize something like pro 83 all of the connections or do we want to really focus our resources and get this type of project done so i just wanted you all to think about that in terms of how we fund things with limited funding availability that's the give and take that we kind of have to really evaluate and could really use input on um and and you know those surveys like bicycle laumont really helped in that regard in submitting the cip but i really felt that whole when we really were wanting to complete the spring gulch number two greenway out to sandstone it's like oh well we also want to do pro 83 what do we do right funded do we do do we do that trail or do we and not do any emu c's or oligarchy trail or dry creek trail or do we let that sit and do these other ones and so that's you know those are the choices that we're always tasked with and and again ultimately council makes that decision but um we value input from the public as well as the boards last slide aurora is rsvp i believe d39 yeah i think i hope you're all up to speed on this i'm happy to talk about this with any questions but i think you're all aware of the efforts we're making along the river corridor um just so you are aware the dickens farm nature area projects that um last year won the american public works association colorado chapter award for large projects uh we have submitted and hope to hear in april for a national apwa award for that project for the five to twenty million dollar project so i thought it was a pretty good application a lot of help from a lot of different people outside and inside the city and so we'll see but hopefully we have some good good news for the board and um and for council and the public in may aurora next slide yeah sorry two slides and then you know here's where we're kathy and i are going through and kathy just turn your mic on and we can go back and forth yeah we talked about san vrian greenway phase 12 phase 13 west east you want to talk about union reservoir trail where you are with that yeah so i think the purpose for this um spreadsheet in addition to the cips we went through is to point out that the cip is like steve said is 21 to 25 and this spreadsheet does represent some projects that we're working on that have carry forward funding so you're not going to see it if you just look at the 21 to 25 cip but really these are on our work plan this year because there's carry forward funding so the union reservoir trail is one of those that's i haven't started it yet because i'm still i've got about three part renewal projects that are a higher priority um but i hope to get going on the design by the end of this year and this is the loop trail around union reservoir and it has it's kind of funded in phases but it is fully funded except the southern portion um just along county road 26 is funded with a transportation project to improve county road 26 that project is currently unfunded um but i'm you know i'm confident if we keep going with the trail um that will you know we'll eventually get there and get that full loop and i think this sounds way cool especially after our last summer's macintosh lake experience with the loop trail around there this sounds awesome how is this trail quote non fee right it'll be outside the fenced area for union reservoir so that'll be part of the design ah interesting thank you go into the you will not go into the fee area of union reservoir to use this trail and but and it'll it sounds like it'll combine with this new one that you just talked about steve the so yeah you can get to it and walk the loop that sounds awesome i think that will be great i agree yeah we won't use snipers we'll use fences but yes it'll be uh it'll be separate from the fee area okay i get it now thanks um just an update you know and some of this stuff is all in your updates and i'm hoping to go to bed in the fall on on that project sandstone ranch phase four we talked about already as well as dry creek fields macintosh lake phase four is an interesting one that we've just talked about a little bit recently is that um this is a trailhead at sort of the southwest corner of the facility off of 17th avenue west of airport road if you can imagine it's not a huge trailhead that's probably 20 cars it is there's a trail connection up through the wetlands a little boardwalk and then connecting to the trail that goes around macintosh it will necessitate a sidewalk in retrospect this was this is already designed paula designed this right before she left she gave me the design documents we had other priorities we put this aside we don't feel as though we can effectively build this unless we build a sidewalk on the north side of 17th from this trailhead over to the intersection of airport and 17 so people can safely cross 17th avenue and get to this trailhead but this might be something we want to move forward with because of the angst that we're having with all the parking in use around macintosh this could create some more parking for um you know for users around that area so that's the sort of feedback we would love to hear from the board is that this is a priority i see dan's already there but this is the sort of thing that that that is we have a completed design 80 we need to design the last 20 of the trail connection on the north side of the the road there'll be some coordination with border bowler county but it's something that could be done if um but right now it's not assigned to either of us it's just sitting sort of sitting there um david had his hand up for a minute did you still want to say something david your screen's off david your mount your mic's off also yeah steve and kathy um real quick i just think for the group here since you and i's had these conversations today as we start looking this is the longest of projects i'm seeing some things in kind of order here if i think since you both have your mics on right now um would you just kind of lay out those those kind of three to five projects you have like lined out right now that we've kind of set up the priorities and you can see how this all fits together that really starts dropping those but steve would you go and then kathy i think we just hit those today you want me to go first steve yes kathy you just kind yeah go ahead just kind of hit those ones so people know that as you're working through these these are the ones that are on your place right now and those have to kind of come off as we move forward sure well real quick i mentioned apple to park upgrades is under construction i'm working on lou miller park renewal um getting you know getting it out and going the spangler park bridge replacement and then the other two upcoming are the union reservoir trail and then we haven't talked about yet box meadows neighborhood park is fully funded with carry forward funds so again you didn't see that in all of our sheets but that is on my work plan to get going on the design and public process and get it go get it launched by the end of the year and hopefully move through that design process and and get going on that so those are kind of my five top priorities right now this year and i'm steve trying to finish the design of wortman and start construction on wortman finish the land acquisition and start design on st brain greenway phase 12 heading west to airport road and start construction finish the design of clover meadows and then depending on developer activity if you remember i need to have the developer to create the roads around the site before i can build it get that done and maybe start the construction there pray dog relocation from that site and then just coordination with rsvp and other things so yeah you're right david we didn't need to go through that whole other um spreadsheet the reason i just did that against that's where as you start looking at along with the projects i think dan you started this off saying you wish to put stuff up there these are all things that i think all have high value as a supervisor and just trying to be protector of my staff a little bit that list to me is just overwhelming what steve and kathy have in one year um and i started throwing other stuff in there if you feel pushback it is probably for me and just how do we do that with this staff um to know that they have these other projects that are really out there that they know their supervisor saying we need to get these done so i just wanted prab to kind of know what they really have on the plate as they're looking and enthusiastically looking at all these other upcoming projects so with that i'm going to end the presentation and open up to any prab members or anybody else for questions any questions thank you i really appreciate you guys taking time to go through all those with us it's always really helpful to both recall the process and also see the scope of things you are considering and and actually page what one thing i would say is that you know this is the march meeting we're going to be meeting in april 11th ish somewhere in there we'd love to hear from the board individually or as a group if you want us to move forward with something that would be great you know by the time it gets the city council in august that is good input for city council but for staff that's trying to build the the cip it's great to hear that input up front and so if we want to put this as an old business item in the april meeting and hear back from board members as far as what you're trying to accomplish i'm open to that and i'll be there for it if i could just read on that too i think that the board weighing in and as i'm glad here mayor pro tem mentioned the fact that you know this comes up and there's other opportunities for the council to hear this but for us to start this conversation now is important because again as steve knocks off all those projects on his list this year wortman south clover basement um saint brane 12 pro dog relocations we really have those conversations coming up is sandstone ranch phase four or dry creek the next piece that we really need to look at on those projects i know jeff will probably you know shoot me some glances right now on what he thinks is so i i think you know if we hear back from these boards that always in that that conversation but there is that next phase coming up and we do have to make some decisions great see you just to be clear you're saying you would like to hear what we wish you would prioritize or just that what you're saying for the next phase yeah wishes desires whatever yeah yeah down from a tennis backboard up to a rec center yeah i this is what this is the chance we'd love to hear what you'd like to do so i was going to say what i was going to suggest maybe to jeff and davis for our next conversation about the agenda for old business i think it'd be great if board members could take a look at these and and identify if there's something that you feel we should consider recommending further action as a board i mean i think we're all free individually to communicate our preferences but if you feel like there's something that we should prioritize or communicate a higher level of priority as a board it'd be great to talk about that as an old business item at our next meeting another suggestion is also now that you've kind of heard the feel and can absorb what you've heard today is to maybe revisit your park recreation and trails master plan and kind of think about what you've heard tonight and think about whether you know you think we're in line with it or you think we're missing or we're getting off track or whatever but i know you know it's always good to kind of revisit those guiding documents and kind of look at you know how are we doing you know and are we on the right track from what because that's really the community's guide to us for this i think if you go collectively that will be good rather than individually okay so any other questions of course i would like another rec center but i guess what i'm saying is so for example people have been waiting for a second outdoor swimming pool so you're saying we should not individually or as a group then discuss i mean there's so many priorities i guess what i'm saying is i i would hate to be throwing things at you when you're already overwhelmed that's sort of where i'm you know i have a big list of priorities but but that's not necessarily what you want i don't think the what i'm gonna i'll start this in my um page just just real quick because i think it could get overwhelming pretty quick i think i'm hoping jeff jumped in here so he has a lot of experience doing this but i think we want to engage this group i think looking at that that long list of projects and knowing that we have um a pretty much approved direction to go and projects we have to get to and if we're gonna that point we're now we're out to that that phase which when steve gets on with his we know we have a dry creek coming up in a and a um sandstone ministry is for and if this group comes together and says we really think this is something we would like to support i think that a little bit may be of an organized direction that could help us make those decisions i think that would still weigh in as we said we don't have a a full voting system because jeff is going to bring his rec users perspective but if there's something that this group specifically feels is an important piece that it lines up with thank you kathy she's my keeper of the documents because i always think that's a great idea and she's like look back at your your your documents and see what you know people recommended but look at those and see where we're going are we on track and if we're at the point where now we have a little flexibility and this board feels that um outdoor swimming or um ball field baseball fields or um synthetic turf fields really have a high value to the community that we may have missed and so those documents were created i i think that would be a great opportunity for us to have some direction from this group and i would like to see if jeff think that's worth but it would it would help me we have done that in the past steve you might remember when we did the cip dot accuracy voting where we listed all the projects by different categories and then the board could vote on a certain number of those and then that helped set some of the priorities this was all pre master plan times and we we could maybe bring that back at the next meeting for discussion to see if we could present that and if you're interested in doing doing that dot accuracy or some type of voting and be open to that jeff uh you're right but i actually think i would defer to Kathy's recommendation is to review the master plan because that's our guiding document i worry if we meet in april and say we should do a dot dotocracy and then we go to the main meeting and do it staff has already has to have their cip stuff in by mid mid to late april like it's it's we're we're done with our submittals and it's moved up to leadership and and um so we don't have it we can certainly deliver the message forward we have less ability to manipulate the numbers and the timing and things if we wait for that i don't i i really think that a good conversation whether it happens this month or next month a good conversation with the board as far as what your priorities are you know try to list your top three we've given you trails pools tennis parks i think part of it those steve is there might be some things that aren't even on the list good point yeah great point and and we certainly could come to the meeting next month prepared to lead the board in the dotocracy effort i always forget that your deadline is a lot different than all the rest of us because of the number of things that you guys have to do right you know it and my guess is a number of the board members have projects that they'd like us to consider that we haven't even got on paper anywhere and that'd be fantastic that's fantastic i would i would love to hear that and you're you just so the board knows like i'm looking at my calendar it's march eighth end of march early april i'm almost done with cip yeah i don't see it again till council adopts it in october there's some adjustments just so you understand the the time it takes to develop that through the different sections of the hierarchy of the city as well as to balance the the financial side of it and that's that's a big part of it but yeah jeff we can come up with some sort of a dotocracy sort of mechanism that we can i might ask sorry i would say i might ask the board numbers if they um does anyone have a preference to between you know doing some additional review and identification coming with maybe one two one or two things that you think are a top priority that the board should consider recommending versus would you rather do something like uh i don't know what i haven't done the dotocracy voting although i'm intrigued by the name um but it sounds like more you know looking at the whole a much longer list potentially and voting um some level of preferences that way so just asking the board members which of those sounds like something you would like to spend your time on in april nicholas uh yeah thank you page so my my challenge here is that uh you know we're being asked for like open-ended feedback of what's on our mind really hard to do obviously and so a little bit of structure and uh guidance on the types of questions that we want to answer would be helpful and i think um the i don't came up with my mind pretending not to pronounce that word uh but sometimes like you know uh list of questions at a high level that we need to cover and you know i think it was helpful to go through the the region of the packet but a lot of the the good juicy stuff that i really learned from the most was uh you know things that steve you had voiced over while discussing each of those items and so um you know for example um you know the montgomery farms line acquisition item right like yeah this opportunity in front of us um you know i wouldn't have gotten that just by looking at the the packet itself and so i think i've said my piece and hopefully that that that helps uh and addresses your question page but uh some structure would be would be helpful and page and the board i i can just email me if you have questions and i'm happy to respond i i'm this is what i do i like doing it so just a reminder email it only to steve and david and i not to the other board members you can email me too um and i just i don't have the answer to this but one thing that i'm hearing is is the interest in these bigger endeavors the rec center the outdoor pool and you know steve said it quickly that that's not really just a cip submission and and i would really i don't know the the answer but just the board's creative discussion and creative thought about how to you know move this city towards something bigger like that um the city has a lot of big needs and an interest and desires and so um you know i think we're not going to get those things out of a dot voting prioritization and they're just kind of beyond kind of what steve and i can submit in the cip when we get to that level so and be from the board some creative discussion about how to how to launch an initiative like that is kind of what i'm hearing from some of you right we have been in may the potential rec facility for the dotocracy to work i think it has to be based on the projects that are already in the mix if we couldn't really add those big projects like kathy said but it might help set priority of the things that are in there and and we may not be able to do it all but i think it's a great discussion any other comments i'm also oh go ahead i'm sorry i was just to say you would like a list of projects and that's sort of what that page 34 to 37 is but with projects that are already funded we can delete the projects that are already funded and the projects that are out there on the five-year cip clarify where they are in the years and then you guys could make recommendations based on that and i'll just tell you dotocracy is not so fun digitally because usually when we did the rec center i'll never forget this quail campus we were doing the the public process for the the rec center and there were people offering you because there are people saying kids should not have dots and they're not taxpayers there are people offering five dollars for dots so they could add more dots to their thing it was a it was quite the scene it was a really interesting process so it it's being digital we could certainly deliver something and maybe we can do it two weeks before your meeting to deliver something to you so you guys can think about it and figure out where your your desires lie if that's something you want yeah it seems like two different levels of conversation so maybe there's a follow-up at the next one that is more focused on do we have any differences of opinion from where the priorities lie right now about upcoming projects within the scope that you have presented and so i think then we can look at your list and your time schedule and say hey we as a group feel like this piece is more important or needs to be moved up but then i think the bigger conversation that you are articulating kathy is something that we would um talk about in may potentially based on our calendar um it could be the rec facility but it could be just more about what is that is there some bigger vision related to recreation open space trails that we as a board really want to advocate for so maybe we start with some more tangible projects that are potentially at least in the pipeline now and then move to the bigger vision in the next meeting does that make sense too yeah oh you're on me too you can't hear you too i'm just understood when you said steve throw anything out there i i thought you meant like anything and that's why i said that's just too overwhelming so we're going to focus on the unfunded projects that's great i agree i think you're focused on prioritizing projects okay prioritizing the unfunded projects and i'm always open to some crazy ass idea you know that that's how great things come about so yeah you know don't don't be shy if you think there's something else you might not get support from the other six board members but that's how great things happen so yeah feel free to to express your interest in the park recreation system that we have in the city right so jeff and david and probably steve you do maybe we can talk about the best way to structure that for the next meeting and i do think it would be good to send something out a couple weeks in advance if we want people to respond at the meeting i agree i i think page you started pulling together a little more organized way to have that conversation i think we i think we can get it pulled together by that point okay really interesting conversation anything else before we move on i think we can cover b and c at that next meeting too because we've kind of talked a little bit about it on and off but the general process for both the cip and i'll just do a quick quick summary and the general fund like steve said by the first part of may the cip process will be done and staff has to have all those submitted by the end of may we have to have all of our general fund requests submitted from there generally sometime in june the city manager and the budget staff conduct cip meeting that talks about what they believe should be proposed as funded or unfunded staff that's our last real opportunity to give feedback on that same thing in usually in july we do budget meetings with the city manager and the budget staff each one of the departments come in and they explain why they believe they have they need the things that they've requested from their staff is generally out of the discussion the budget staff city manager put together a proposed cip in it in a budget that's presented sometime in august to the city council city council normally does both cip budget hearings and general are operating budget meetings in it that month they conduct two public meetings in october and generally the last meeting in october the first meeting in november city council makes the approval of the budget for 22 kind of a quick summary and page could i just add one more thing something that we're working on as staff is that we've seen a gap in approval for construction funds versus maintenance funds we're trying to link the two and so if you approve construction you're approving maintenance dollars so that's something that we with our operation staff are working toward which will help with management of our park system in the future i don't know david if you want to add to that at all but that's something we've been talking a lot about thanks for bringing that up steve i i think it goes back thanks god made a point in his like the new shiny things that there's an assumption that if we build it we're going to care of it because we only fund a one-year budget that's not always a case because we build it in one year then we need the maintenance dollars in another year so we're really trying to do a better job of linking one we approve a project that there's a recognition that funds get set aside for that ongoing maintenance so it is a little bit disconnect because what happens sometimes there's those new shiny things pull those dollars away from making decision to fund maintenance so um it's a piece to remind this group here and maybe something we're back to you as we we try to bring that forward as something that we definitely like counsel to consider as as you fund a project you gotta think we want to keep that in perpetuity basically and that's going to take ongoing funding so thank you steve okay anything else on that topic okay if not i think we can move on to item seven which is any discussion or questions that you might have from the updates that were included in the packet so these are the updates from david's staff and jeff's staff regarding things that have happened since our last meeting any questions sam i have a general question about the whole covid color scheme you know stages we're changing to uh for example the swimming lanes number of people etc tennis court doors are still locked open what's the on you know what's going to happen or what's the timescale or you know who's discussing this and how does it happen i guess we are waiting for the next set of guidelines to come out your guess is as good as ours on what that means we have some general guidelines that we have now what it looks like if we go to blue but it doesn't go into the detail of how many people in the lane any of that it's the word we're hearing is that there may be a new dial coming out that might change everything that we've seen so far so we were planning but on hold too so if you don't mind jeff i'm going to actually uh with your professionalism there i just want to let dan know that in the meetings with boulder kind of public health and other groups just frustration is about as loud and clear as yours i'm kind of where is this going what are you doing so jeff thank you for doing a great job in these we are being recorded it does wonders i guess but we all share that same frustration dan it really is a hard piece for us to answer and we're always waiting for the governor to make his change so public health can make their change so we can go up there and unlock something or open something up so um but there must be some freedom i mean that i can't imagine that they're going into the depth of you know you can't have three people in this fitness class or you can't i mean you have some judgment don't you or swim lane no no really wow no none none whatsoever because what the general public doesn't see is like david said the order comes from the governor colorado public health makes their interpretation and then each one of the county's public health put more meat on the bone if you will that they actually are telling us right now two people in a lane they if they receive complaints they go to your facility and they check and verify if you're following the guidelines or not so there really isn't a lot of interpretation on our part jeff does a good job with this as to do all the other facility managers along the front range because it comes down really even more restrictive because they know the details of what jeff does in his facilities so jeff and luis bill and lafayette and see if boulder will get together and we'll sit down and have a conversation this thing this makes no sense boulder county will hear that they'll push that back up and we usually get a little bit of common sense into it i i know it's hard to say on most days um but but jeff and those those facility managers are really doing a good job of trying to get a little bit of common sense this because for that top down they have no idea how you want a facility and it comes down very restrictive so it's difficult then to plan ahead it's not like you have a plan a month from now we're going to do this or two weeks from now we're going to be able to do it's just react is that the impression i get i i think we try to plan but react is really where we've been most of the time because they change it changes sometimes so drastically or other times interpreting the blue right now if we went from yellow to blue it based on the way it's written today it would have very little impact on the longmont rec center because so much of it is tied to you still got a social distance you still have to wear a mask and a lot of it's based on your square footage the square footage as you know never changes so even though it appears you're getting better it doesn't always mean that and we're hoping that the new dial will allow more numbers than what we would have right now so dan i would say i would say the thing that we we're constantly trying to be is just nimble because we know that we're moving towards opening more so the soonest we get that word to do it that's that's the only thing we can do to plan is make sure as soon as we get good or news from the governor and public health that we can make a change that opens things up to our community we want to be able to do that as quickly as possible yeah and generally dan what happens they send their information like david said and then we have a series of questions that we send back into boulder county public health and wait for them to respond back to us and the number of people in a swim line is always the question because we're always trying to get more in there than right what what they're happy with yeah we still have one per lane except for like a class like masters yeah i mean yeah i'm guessing a lot of folks will like that to continue forever one per lane many folks that i talk to really like reserving a lane no sharing nobody has to bug me i don't have to split but we got a lot of people dissatisfied they can't get a lane to swim in ever because of that so it's a balance yeah and the and the other issue that we deal with is there's inconsistencies where one group is allowed to do something and i'll use the swim teams as an example based on the lanes they can have six people in the lane right now what what is really the difference why does it matter which six people are in the lane they they have i'll have the same potential of having the virus if you will and and so it just is kind of awkward at times that like david said common sense though it doesn't always enter into it and and i'm not complaining because i know it's probably very difficult for them to to weigh through all these things but in the same token people are ready to get back and recreate whether it's inside buildings or out in the parks and you know they're just very tired of it thanks yep any other questions from the items in the packet great okay then i think we can move on to items from staff i don't have anything david i think we have spoke quite a bit tonight so thank you for listening and engaging and be part of the conversation appreciate it great any items from board members can thank you all for listening to me so much tonight i'll try to keep my mouth shut more sorry thanks that was your item page actually had a question scott who did you share that information with from buska lawnmower and is there anybody else we need to reach out to to with that um information um yeah so there was that one set of email which was to you um to this group the most part um not this board because as i understand i'm not supposed to send anything to the board um from outside of the board and um and then um we sent another email to uh city council but if you want to share it to others we're gonna be putting it on the website um soon and sending it out to people from buska lawnmower anyway so um god are you okay if if david or i or steve for that to the rest of the board no feel free okay all right we'll do that and as i said to steve i'll be able to get the comments in a day or two um there's a couple of nasty comments and a couple of other things i'll take out first but can you take my money as far as who made the comments you you pretty much guess some some of them yeah i i if i could have one more to respond today i just want to say dan i really appreciate those kind of questions because a lot of times i think that we as staff are not going to come to a board meeting and tell you all the reasons we can't get stuff done we're going to kind of use the little soldier through and get it done but when you ask those kind of questions it allows us to explain and hopefully you're taking it back to the community and help them better understand some of the limitations we have so i appreciate those questions dan thank you anything else from the board great if not um good discussion tonight and i would take a motion to adjourn i move we adjourn thanks do i have a second i'll second this great all those in favor terrific okay the meeting is adjourned thanks everyone thank you thank you and thanks staff for everything yep bye right