 And I was like, you know, I could have thought like I thought that the kid was literally having like some was like There's a bug or something. Yeah, there was something very dangerous happening to him and And it was not Beating up his minecraft house his minecraft place. So we told him look you got up You got to build like when you build your house. You got to put like a door and a roof on So the bad proof Right That's a life lesson. It was it was and he for like about maybe an hour or so afterwards he was like Kind of shaking a little bit nervous. I'm like guess he's never had that because it minecraft to him It's just like you walk around and you do stuff and then he's crazy. And then the harsh reality of Nighttime in Minecraft world Bats come around. Yeah, the the wolves will eat you And it's past the vortex when the bats At night the ice weasels come I Love bats. That's are so cute Sheamus caught a bat in the harbor freight. There was a we stopped by the way to pick up some dollies and harbour freight On the way we need more volume out of you, Patrick You know what I don't know if you change something reboot the whole system. Hold on. No, I Hate bats. There's no way. Did you change something? I didn't touch anything Just talk louder. I think it'd be fine. Yeah But I don't want to talk like this. Yeah, that's great. Yes That's good. Yeah, I know but I'm literally I'm in command voice. This is how I could talk to people when I want them to Delta 49er that is an abort Delta 49er abort abort. It's great. It sounds great No, see that's the television rule Roger if it feels uncomfortable uncomfortable it looks great on television It wasn't supposed to be if you feel in pain. It makes good radio. That was never the rule This is you can't change this rule. It's more important to look good than to feel good Seem to kind of change Like when's bedtime like when's bedtime Barcloses now I'm like You'll live longer and you'll be happier while you live longer if you go to bed at nine Oh my gosh, what a wonderful life. You wake up at six. You've gotten away with something. It's great you you You don't have children and at this particular moment. I'm very jealous in the context of this sleep conversation I understand no I was also a terrible My hours of sleep are broken into four and two hours with an interruption in the middle every year Yeah, you've got it. You've that's it's newborn life I gotta bring her in a bed with me so she stops crying. No, no, no way. No way Put her on the cold Headphones that's how you gotta do that's the only way they'll learn Now that we've solved all of Roger's parenting issues break for some tech news. Oh, oh my goodness. It is time, isn't it? It sure is. Is everyone feel comfortable and ready? Yes Small child is okay. Hey, Trissy. All right, buddy. Okay. Good. You heard a yes All right, here we go three two Lorenzo floris has supported independent tech news directly for five years. Why not be like they're Lorenzo I'm gonna do that again. So I don't screw up his name. All right. Here we go Lorenzo floris has supported independent tech news directly for five years Why not be like Lorenzo become a dts member at patreon.com slash d t n s do it now This is the daily tech news for friday february 15th 2019 in los angeles. I'm tom merit and from studio feline I'm sarah lane from the mid february blues. I'm lenn peralta and from dark gray skies I'm roger jane the shows producer joining us today We're very happy to have the host of tech thing and avi excel patrick norton back on the show How's it going patrick? It just hailed here in beautiful alameda, california Wow Hail hail Yep patrick's here We're expecting a plague of wokus next Patrick's actually here to talk about the plague of invidia graphics cards that's plaguing invidia because they've got an excessive inventory And whether or not that means it's a good time for you to pick up a graphics card We'll talk about that in a little bit. Let's start with a few tech things you should know samsung announced plans to open its first retail locations in the us february 20th in los angeles new york and houston Selling phones tablets wearables tv's and smart home devices The stores will also offer customer support including walk-in repairs for smartphones Sources tell the south china morning post that ea is in talks with tensent to bring apex legends to china Tencent already distributes fortnight and player unknown battlegrounds at china So it would be the trifecta for them the country just ended a nine-month freeze on improving new game licenses Tencent is still waiting on approval for in-game purchases to be sold in fortnight and pubg executives from hsbc Told reuters that it has reduced the cost of settling foreign exchange trades Thanks to its fx everywhere blockchain the system handles between 3500 and 5000 trades per day processing 250 billion dollars in trades since february of 2018 fx everywhere coordinates payments across hsbc's america's europe and asia pacific trading hubs And the company hopes to offer the service to corporate customers with complex cross border trades Yeah, uh more blockchain being used to to make international payments Easier for banks anyway. All right. Let's talk a little more about the ftc and facebook sources tell the wash and post that facebook and the ftc are In negotiations over a multi-billion dollar fine to settle an investigation into the company's privacy practices This has to do mostly with cambridge analytica, but not entirely There's also a few of the other breaches and etc that are part of this investigation The ftc has been investigating whether because of these things facebook violated its 2011 agreement In which facebook agreed to notify users clearly before sharing personal data with third parties And was barred from deceiving users about its privacy practices facebook could do a few things They could agree to a fine and a change of practices The ftc could implement tougher checkups to ensure compliance or facebook could tell the ftc to go shove it and see him in court Patrick i heard you chuckle in i It's facebook, you know They're gonna dance. They're gonna shine. They're gonna say what they need to say And then in two years, they're going to do something. It makes this look kind of reasonable and thoughtful It's just how I feel about facebook. I feel like the upshot of this story is the ft looks like the ftc will find that facebook violated the agreement in some part Uh and slap them on the hand for it. Yeah, I I don't see facebook taking this to court any longer than they have to Yeah, let's see. I mean what how what was their profit this year? Lots Yeah, a lot a lot of things a lot of dollars Uh, why don't we talk about some samsung news samsung announced the galaxy tab S5e at 10.5 inch ammo led android tablet that is 5.5 millimeters thick So nice and thin and weighs in at 400 grams and an 81.8 percent screen to body ratio The tab s5e ships with android pi and bixby 2.0 Although it does lack s pen support so that'll make a few people kind of bummed It'll be available in q2 2019 for $399 In a perhaps less intentional type of product announcement an update to samsung's galaxy wearable app leaked several upcoming products Of them the front page of the app listed a 40 millimeter galaxy watch active smartwatch The galaxy fit and galaxy fit e fitness trackers and the wireless earbuds creatively named the galaxy buds Presumably these will all be announced at samsung's galaxy s10 event on february 20th I'm more excited about the leak stuff Uh than i am about the tablet although i know i know intellectually that tablet is is is the best android tablet We've seen in a long time Yeah, I mean for 400 bucks as well. We were talking before the show of like What's that sweet spot of a price point that you know if something might lack as pen support Okay, well that would be a deal breaker for certain folks Scott johnson might say yeah, I wouldn't want that then right, but you know It wouldn't be a deal breaker for me and $400 is is is is pretty sweet for for for something that has a lot of other features Yeah, uh, I know for a fact that some samsung fans are very excited about the galaxy buds There's a little air pod jealousy But not enough to make them want to break over the the barrier to another brand So, uh, if they if they look good and they end up working well I think samsung will do well with us. We can live with it Yes, maybe we can uh, if you don't know what sarah's talking about, uh, sarah will be living with the jabra Earbuds for three months and reporting back on how well they work. So earbuds all the rage The u.s. Copyright office declined to register alfonso reberos carlton dance alfonso rebero played carlton on fresh prince of bellara Weakening mr. Reberos case against nba 2k's similar in-game character celebration In a letter the copyright office's sascha florence a supervisory registration specialist in the office's performing arts division wrote The combination of these three dance steps is a simple routine that is not Registrable as a choreographic work Of course, we all know that there's been some celebrities trying to sue fortnight or get fortnight to license Dance moves nba 2k also Under this as well. So take two which make nba 2k filed for dismissal of reberos suit Based on that letter saying The letter argues that bank that dance is too basic to be protected by copyright, which only covers more complex choreography and we've talked previously on the show that you can copyright A choreography of dance moves, but you can't copyright a dance move and what it seems like sascha florence is saying here is Three steps, you know three three things is not a choreography. That's not enough And and I would tend to agree Two mili is another example of the mili dance. Um, which is you know, something something that has Been in question whether or not it was ripped off from from something that a person can own It's kind of funny that we're having a discussion about what how many steps is in a actual choreographic dance I would agree that the carlton dance was just sort of a funny Like I it would it would be hard for me to side with him saying. Yeah. Yeah, they they really ripped you off Especially since I don't know that shows been off there for quite some time But what what what is a copyrightable dance? You know what what is a series of moves with one's body That um, that is not okay to end up in a video game later A full dance, uh, you know, I know i'm just envisioning like the difference between And We can't hear what you're doing, but yeah No, I that's the thing on the one end You can't copyright moves or else walking down the streets becomes a copyright violation, right? Sure Thank you with dance moves We're we're not at the extent of of music and written works with dance moves because uh, the bar seems to be farther away I would argue that the carlton dance is fairly recognizable and when you see it you're like Oh, he's doing the carlton dance that seems to be a kind of test You could weigh to say if it's identifiable Then maybe it is Copyrightable, but like you said sarah at a certain point I don't think you should be able to continue to copyright it but that's not the copyright laws We have we have 90 years plus the life of the author. So if the carlton move is copyrightable It's copyrightable for 90 years plus the life of alfonso ribera So that that that's also informing this like, you know what? maybe we should have this line be where you're taking elements of movement and Making them into something distinctive and and that's what florence is saying is you know what even if it's recognizable It's still just an element. It's a it's a few letters in a vocabulary It's not an entire sentence Well, and you you bring up a good point like oh, yeah people know the carlton dance Well, they know the carlton dance because it was on television that it was a you know It was it was a very popular sitcom that a lot of people watched did that happen before? Well, I don't know I would argue that it's less about whether there's general awareness But once you know it can you see it elsewhere? Can you can you pick it out that that's what makes it recognizable? And if it was part of a television show then it would be part of the intellectual property of the television show Well, yeah, that's a that's a separate aspect of this right is whether robaro even owns it or not Or whether the people had a corpus. Yeah, and and that is part of this case This was in this case as well But that didn't pertain specifically to whether the move itself was copyrightable. It's just about whether he had the standing to bring the case At a goldman sacks event this week twitter CEO jack dorsi said that instead of building an edit tweet function Which many people have called for for years the company could possibly let users Clarify tweets in the future instead Dorsi used the example of somebody having tweeted something in the past that maybe they'd like to revisit Maybe they regret and give context as a reason for the tool to exist So users would then only be able to retweet this clarification But not edit the original tweet in question So in In in the sense of keeping us all honest. I see where they're going with this In in in the many cases of me tweeting something I think is really clever and funny But there's a spelling error or something that I just kind of like I got a slightly wrong I still want an edit tweet function But I understand that the company is like hey, we don't want people to rewrite history There there are a lot of tweets that end up being problematic And then there's like a huge threat about it and how can we make it so that The original poster as it were can at least weigh in and be like hey, man. Here's what I meant to say I get that but it's kind of two different elite history But it's funny, right because you can delete tweets, but you can't edit tweets Now, you know, I I feel compelled to make a blockchain joke now There should be blockchain so you could watch the transition of a tweet But it's also, I mean, you know James Gunn like, you know I I crafted these extraordinary movies, but because I was a you know, delete expletive And possibly tweeting drunken thoughtlessly, you know, I mean it's it's it's I get okay, but but So on facebook, you know, if I see somebody has posted something and there's a little edit thing next to it I go again They probably had to go in and you know make a little bit of adjustment. That doesn't really bother me You kind of know that there was there there were a couple revisions being being being made or at least one But I don't understand why twitter is so adverse to this Because twitter has the most bizarre random collection of of Their morality like ebbs and tides and shows up and disappears and for some reason you're like We're gonna make sure there's a standardized record because you know for a while This was ending up in the library of congress and it's like yeah, so people can Tweet incredibly nasty things and either delete their account or delete the tweet But they want to make sure you don't modify the tweet and I get because again it right There's nothing worse than your option if you misspells to be like delete expletive Delete the tweet then type out the correct tweet and repost and then deal with the flood of like dude You just posted that like but yeah, you know, I I had an a instead of a u and I found it, you know incredibly You know it just it bugged me. So I changed it But it's it's funny because you know like if you do a change if you edit an entry in patreon One of the things it does like let your you let your users know this changed right and the idea that How permanent things are or not permanent or if you have a record of the changes Like on one hand if you smell something and you fix it Generally speaking nobody cares except for you maybe me and your english teacher from eighth grade right She spelled it correctly. She used that apostrophe, right? I'm so proud If somebody at the national level or international level in politics or just you know, somebody famous tweets out something You know obnoxious or racist or difficult and then it's like oh, no, no, no This is what I really meant and they retype it or they modified or they've completely flip it I can see where they they wouldn't want to change that but it's weird I mean it's dorsy This is not somebody I look to to have a coherent policy or plan at any time at this point Um, all right We we got to get to this next story because I'm too excited to talk about it software developer philip wang has used an Open source implementation of a gan a generative adversarial network to create a website called this person does not exist dot com The gan runs on nvidia software and creates a human face every two seconds creates doesn't assemble Doesn't mimic it creates a face from scratch every two seconds and as you refresh the website You'll get the latest creation It's important to note that gans don't assemble new faces from real faces But they learn how to create an image from scratch. They don't know it's a face You just train it with a bunch of faces and say come up with stuff that that fits the profile here And the way generative adversarial networks work is you have two networks one that creates the faces Another that's good at recognizing whether something's a face or not telling it That's a face. No, that's not a face until it gets really good And this is really good to the point that it will be hard for you to believe that these are not just actual clip art stock photography in most cases Well, I know we we all spent some time this morning refreshing the page of this person does not exist dot com and I was like They all look perfectly real and at one point roger was like, man There was a hairline that didn't you know didn't fool me but for the most part it is It's the best Fake people I've ever seen. I mean it's it's perfect and sometimes they're vaguely familiar But not familiar enough to be like, oh, yeah I see you took tiger woods picture and you know changed it and you know made it into something else It's not just morphed at morphed real people like no no it's machine learning is getting very good at this Climbing up the other side of the end can uncanny valley. Yeah, no, absolutely Like these the imagine what you can do with cg if you can you can start getting gans to do this Just as well on full motion video. It's not perfect I had a few people that looked red and some asymmetries here and there I also truly believe the 10 years from now. We'll look at this and go Oh, these are obviously machine learning because we'll we'll learn What the hallmarks are and they'll start to be obvious in a way that they're not obvious to us right now But right now these these look dead on to me There's some implications to that folks Especially if it gets into video, I think with stills it's more just like well now we have a lot more clip art to draw from but Yeah, folks if you want to get all the tech headlines each day in about five minutes Be sure to subscribe to daily tech headlines Dot com and vidya announced its earnings 80 cents per share in q4 on revenue of 2.21 billion that beat analyst expectations Analysts had only expected 75 cents a share on 2.2 billion Although it's down 24 percent from last year in revenue operating income decreased 73 percent all while operating expenses increased 25 percent so basically the analyst just expected the quarter to be a little worse Uh, but nvidia is still doing okay. It's still still making uh money even if the revenue is declining An nvidia blamed excessive Post crypto boom channel inventory they're getting a lot more inventory piling up because people aren't buying them To do bitcoin anymore or other cryptocurrencies. There's also a pause in purchasing from public cloud providers That's happening. There's some china currency fluctuations that affected this nvidia also believes it's coming fiscal year revenue is going to be flat to down slightly They don't think they're going to bounce back right away. It's fiscal q1 However should see the bottom of excess inventory for gaming gpus and that's where it bears on us the consumer If we have a bunch of excess inventory patrick, does this mean that Prices are going to be good for video cards and is now the time to buy one um Man prices are as good as they've been uh in forever And it's it's really curious to watch what's going on right now One of the things that was rumored video cards with a zed dot com You know they they were they have been showing sneak peeks rumors of what they were calling a gtx 16 60 Which is like a 20 60 but with the ray tracing stripped out and that's going to be like the 200 250 dollar gpu You know sales are not as strong as nvidia expected on the rtx cards in part because you know it took a while for rtx to finally show up in video games And and then when it showed up the performance like you would turn on rtx and your frame rates dropped through the floor And then two weeks later there was a driver update and the frame where it's we're still much lower but not so bad you just wanted to stop playing the game and It's really subtle. I think because I look at it and i'm like that's different, but I don't know if it's particularly better um The demos make it look really spectacular real world gameplay. It's not quite as spectacular and it's all very very early in the technology Um 20 series cards the ones that just came out are really expensive when a 1080 ti came out everybody's like this is expensive It's 699 dollars, but it's amazing gpu The rtx 20 80 ti the msrp is a thousand dollars it's 999 dollars And it's even more for the founders edition and they're selling for like anywhere from over a thousand dollars to $1350 depending on how fancy the gpu is so, you know, that's a huge jump That's a 300 dollar jump from the previous flagship on the upside in terms of 3d games The the 20 80 ti is 30 or 40 faster than a 1080 ti um And then things kind of get weird because you know if you look around Um, there's almost no 1080 ti's out there. There's almost no 1080s out there The 20 80 which is the second highest of the new generation cards It's pretty much on par with a a you know, 699 dollar 1080 ti You know 1080 ti's are pretty much gone 1080s are starting to disappear from the channel but the 20 80 sells for like 700 to 1300 dollars and people are like I thought I would get more for my 700 dollars not parody and then they go well, you get a minute You're telling me that uh in this world of excess inventory. That's that's driving down earnings The top cards are expensive and there aren't enough of them. So so where's the inventory? Where could I find the cheap cards? Uh, so the rtx 20 60s, uh, which is kind of the sweet spot for 1440. Uh, those started 350 dollars Um, that's pretty good. Uh, it's kind of like gtx 70 performance With occasional bumps to 1080p perform or so I should say gtx 1080 performance If you overclock it it gets really close to the to the rtx 20 70 on 3d games That's a 500 card. So I think for a lot of people the 20s the rtx 20 60 is the sweet spot 10 series cards. They're actually finally at or below msrp Like you can't find 1080 ti's 1080s are getting really really short But you know the the 10 60s and 10 70 ti's are all around the price of a 20 60 But you should just buy an rtx 20 60 You know if you have if you do 1080p gaming and you don't want to spend any money right now There's a glut of 6 gigabytes 10 60s and 3 gigabyte 10 60s Don't go near a 3 gigabyte 10 60 unless you like don't game But 6 gigabyte 10 60s are selling for as little as 200 dollars Nobody wants them anymore because they're all looking at the faster cards. Uh, the prices have dropped What makes it really crazy is at ces right? We got the announcement of the amd radion 7 Which caused nvidia to freak out and talk about you know, this is a ridiculous card It will never work. Do not pay attention to the man behind the curtain um And it's a really odd card because when you look at the gaming performance for $699 well, you know an rtx 2080 is better for gaming But it's got 16 gigabytes of you know hmb2 ram Which is doubling the ram bandwidth. So for certain professional workstation scientific applications It is incredibly fast and it's also incredibly less expensive than the traditional workstation GPUs like if you if you work in blender Just try to find an amd radion 7 you won't be able to find them because you know Their initial allotment is completely sold out as is the tradition with amd gpus and eventually hopefully more will show up Driver updates are kind of a mess for both of these like I talked about like battlefield 5 got ray tracing support And the frame rates were awful and a couple three weeks later. They released a driver update There was a huge bump in ray tracing performance Um dls s just came out. It's just finally coming in online We expect that to see performance improvements as they tweak the drivers radion 7 probably has some driver from from Some performance bumps that'll come out of the drivers And what really makes this messy is you've got these rtx cards that are expensive You've got this sort of professional slash gaming card from amd. That is kind of expensive At least until you look at a 2080 ti and that's not even the next generation Processing or the next generation processor from amd Which is the navi which is going to come out later this year because that that radion 7 is actually You know a 7 nanometer process a die shrink with the addition of of that faster memory on there So we have a whole another challenge from amd Which will probably deliver a big another big performance boost for them And then what makes it really crazy and part of the reason they can't sell cards Is because most gamers which we think of as being the primary consumers of these cards are playing on 1080p monitors And they don't need an expensive gpu because they don't have enough monitor to demand expensive gpu performance So, okay So to bottom line two questions navigating through all this If someone's like should i buy a video card right now if they if they don't absolutely need one Is this a good time to upgrade and if if they're like no i have to get one anyway Whether it's a good time or not which one would you point them towards for the average person? So okay, if you're going to spend all the money, uh the 2080 ti the performance is really kind of of mind boggling And the frame rates, you know in ray tracing are usable If you You know absolutely have to buy a gpu or i have to actually absolutely have to buy a gpu and you don't want to spend all the money The rtx 2060 looks really really good. Um I would wait as long as you can to see whether the mythical 1660 comes out because it would suck to get most of the performance of the gtx 2060 for less money Without the ray tracing because this whole ray tracing thing. It's very early in that So as always wait as long as you can if you have to buy now I would probably go with a gtx 2060 any if you're if you're if your budget is anywhere around 350 dollars If you are a professional take a look at the benchmarks, uh for the amd Uh radion 7 uh to see if any of your applications are accelerated by that card And it's a giant block of memory and if not if you're a gamer i would go for the rtx 2080 Excellent. Thank you patrick. I think that's going to help a lot of people out There's too much information. Sorry No, it's it's great. Um speaking of helping people out. Thanks to everybody who participates in our subreddit You help us out every day by submitting stories and voting on others from your peers at daily tech news show dot reddit dot com Um, and we don't want to count out the folks at facebook facebook.com slash groups slash daily tech news show They promise they'll get better. All right. Let's check out the mail bag sarah Alison shared and my friend anior is weighed in on the apple subscription discussion that we've pretty much had all week Alison says peter kovka who writes for recode Obviously knows way more than me when he explains why the media companies would consider giving apple 50% of the revenue in their news offering There's one more consideration. I didn't hear mentioned Apple customers are also very high value customers willing to pay a grip for phones As rub doing what i would say and pay for photo storage when google gives it away for free And double or triple for computers versus their windows counterparts No, I like this I like partially because allison was very kind and said not that we missed anything But there's another consideration because this is another consideration Uh, if you're targeting advertising a lot of times it's not the numbers you need It's the kind of people who buy your products. And if you have an audience that's a little spendier You might attract some more advertisers willing to spend some more money because they know that they're advertising to an audience That's going to drop some dollars. So that could make a difference too. That's a really good point Thanks, allison Yeah, absolutely. Thank you allison. All right, let's check in with len peralta who has been illustrating today's show len What do you got for us? Yeah, you know, I I told you pre show that uh, I was going to do a mashup Yeah, I didn't know whether or not this was going to be funny or not But uh, I guess the audience will decide that I mashed up This person does not exist dot com along with the alfanzo rebaro story And it's a picture of him doing the carlton and it's sort of like they did the copyright office said Hey, you don't exist. The carlton is not distinctive enough to exist. Uh, yeah No, he's yeah, he's He does not exist. Yes. He does the other the other that's true. Uh, the other uh, interpretation I have of this len is That the a that the gan the the neural network has just created someone doing the carlton Oh, and who who proves that yeah, this isn't distinctive, right? Even that could be the yeah That could be the next the next step in this. Yeah, oh a step not choreographer. Oh, that's right, right Exactly, not choreographer. It was four steps. Well, then we'd have a case. Yeah, three not enough is four enough I don't know five six. Where do we go? Yeah Uh, good stuff len also thanks to patrick norton for being with us I think the last time we saw you was at ces So what's been going on and how can people keep up with with with that answer is between now and then Firing up, uh, a c ab excel robert and I finally we kind of had a break over january We started firing out episodes this month and uh, if you want to get your home theater and audio on And of course shannon morris and I do the whole tech thing each and every week and uh, we uh, we review products And answer questions and we would love to have your questions if you have a tech question email ask at tech thing dot com because We're listening Yeah, man I mean if you if you wonder where patrick has all this knowledge about video cards It comes from doing those two shows all the time, right and this week in computer hardware. Yeah, yeah Those three those three shows together. 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We love to hear from you We're also live monarchy friday at 4 30 p.m. Eastern 21 30 utc Tune in if you can find out more at daily tech news show dot com slash live We're off monday for president's day, but back on tuesday with patrick bezia talk to you then This show is part of the frog pants network get more at frogpants.com My favorite president is franklin pierce and why is that? because No one appreciates him The underdog president Oh, goodness, that's funny. Um patrick, do you have a favorite president? It's not franklin pierce. Yeah, he was not a nice man Did you just pull that name? I'm like, I'm like, yeah, he Tom what were you thinking? You might want to change that tweet You might want to edit that tweet tom William Henry Harrison He died in 30 days He died in 30 days of being president. Uh, yeah Really the one that caught the flu? Yeah, something. Yeah. Oh, man. I didn't realize it was that quick. Yep The only reason I know that is because one month of being top dog Then you get the flu get a flu shot We are the lesson learned Occasionally re regrettable care take your presidents of the u.s. That's from the simpsons That's the only reason I know that um remember the band presidents of the united states. Oh, yes Loved them. They were they were they were hot apologies for a minute to the folks in the discord Oh, let's uh check out the show titles Also apologies anyone who heard my dog chirping like a bird which he was in his sleep I did not hear the doctor Okay Hope you can see the husky ears Uh, you can dance if you want to fortnight I don't know. I kind of like that the best fake people Are real people Reach out and touch I mean Video cards tmi too much information human learning sorry No, sorry. No. No. No. No. It wasn't tmi. It's information we need I like dancing with copyrights Oh, but it's really it's not really a copyright. It's a trademark Yeah, but it's all you know kevin costner movie reference dances with copyrights. Well, it's also it's it's with the the dancing carlum That sounds like a cigarette at the dancing carlum but uh Well, what say you Um, I like dancing with copyrights. Yeah, I either like that one or you can dance if you want to fortnight Go ahead and I actually have to log off because i'm going downtown to see a an exhibition that my son has Oh cool This is the artist's son. Yes. He has a piece of student Independent exhibition and he has some paintings or I believe one painting in there and he He wanted us to come down and see it. So oh, yeah, um ever since I started following him on instagram I'm like floored by his thoughts. Yeah, he's um he actually, um He sold one of his paintings for some like huge Like somebody in the art community brought bought one of his paintings recently. That's so cool I mean, he's so talented. I mean he gets it from somewhere. Obviously not for me But yeah, I mean I look at his art and I'm like wow, I mean I I it's it's it's remarkable Well more common. Hopefully. Yeah, that's so cool All right, I'm gonna go where did Tom go the Tom? um is I don't know He disappeared probably putting in another hat on but um putting out some fire and it was so great to have you as always Of course, and um and can't wait for next week. I will there he is. There's time Bye. Bye. Bye Patrick Take care Do-do-do-do-do-do Okay, sorry about that Hope you guys uh, uh new problem. We were just saying goodbye to Len Oh, I miss Len Yeah, for some reason he's kind of having a cool art exhibition in downtown Gleeville Yeah, for some reason my computer stopped, uh returning audio to me And that meant that it was not returning audio to the discord either so apologies to the discord We're all that's what you meant. I wasn't sure what you were apologizing for Earlier Well, yeah, and then I realized that you could hear me. Uh, even though I can hear you so I needed myself Got it Technology Who doesn't it's um Well, I can see that it's starting to drizzle outside in my neck of the woods la here we go again I don't think it's supposed to be drizzling and you're not looking out the window Because yesterday we had like an inch of rain and an hour and a half and it was kind of yeah No, yesterday it was it was um the window i'm looking out now yesterday it was It was the entire audience is like boo-hoo. I'm so sorry We are babies we're little tiny babies who can't handle anything Whatever I will say just because you know, there's a lot of electronics around me and when the rain Was like super hard and the wind hit my window at a certain point. Oh, yeah started to leak a little bit So that's where you get scared. Yeah Did we pick a title? We did. Yeah. Okay. What'd we pick? Uh dancing with copyright. Love it. Great. Um Ace ace time For I will need to edit out the audio Yep, I'll need to edit out the audio. I think you're uh, you're a dTNS audio should be totally fine Should it yeah dTNS audio was not affected Okay It's a good day internet that you'll have to edit. Why would you have to edit dTNS? Because um, it didn't it's not in the folder unless it was 36 minutes ago. Um, hold on That would be a different problem if that's true That has nothing to do with me dropping out because I dropped out after the show was over Production because life's not complicated right Isn't snoozing like a bird over here I wish you was gonna do this Roger. It's still uploading for some reason. Oh because I because I restarted I had to restart my machine. Okay. Yeah, so it's still uploading. You'll get it in a second. What are you doing? apologies Oh Sinking files right now Sinking the wrong file sinking. I'm sinking. I wonder how the sausage is made. All right, Roger. You got the file now And We have cool plans for the weekend Oh, we're gonna paint the bathroom. Oh, that's cool Yeah That's a fine question, um, probably just standard interior semi-gloss I got it. I got to redo my own perhaps I actually really like either super bright color I like I like deep colors and I like non, you know a matte white A lot of the softer I've I think it's just because of this one office I worked in where the entire office was not exactly white Not exactly yellow and not exactly dirty, but a color that had the worst of all three of those kind of ruined So much the entire off-white universe for me. Yeah. Yeah No Well, all right, uh, look forward to hearing what color you chose But that's not gonna be like a latex paint or anything Uh Hey, I don't know I I prefer latex Oh, oh, sorry, uh, that's the music from matt white Oh, I see what you're saying That's a pink color Took us all a second. No, I may uh, I guess the people about that had the house before me when they painted the breakfast room They painted over wallpaper now. It's got curling up underneath the paint Yeah, that's the there was Move the wallpaper Yeah, it happens more than you'd think and I thought I thought I had a leak in the wall Right from the the storms right and trace. There's no there's nothing from the ceiling or the side That would indicate there's no, you know water damage. Usually it would You would have somewhere where it would travel, you know, but it just it's Yeah I mean, it's I've removed wallpaper from a room before it's not insignificant amount of work But it's also it's not that hard to do it's much worse to just paint over it Yeah, well it also means I mean some people are cheap and in a rush. Yeah Some people are so lazy. I mean we were we were in one room where Not here but in a house I read it with my parents where we found Mixed four layers of wallpaper mixed with like three layers of paint And the oldest wallpaper we figured was mid 19th century Pretty much ended having like, you know, you did all the wallpaper removal stuff and finally that by the end of it, we were just sanding This last layer of was was the mid 19th century wallpaper cool Was there anything salvageable from that because I'd loved it just like historical perspective Yeah, no, no, we made from the original manuscript of the Gettysburg address. Yeah Who was the president at the time? Um, yeah, that's a good question I mean that house was insane because the oldest section of the house like the house the first transaction on the house was 1766 um, wow And the oldest section of the house dated back to then and we found it had it had been a Working farm for the better part of 250 270 years And it had a big barn and there was stuff everywhere. So we found Insane things You know, and then when we were you know how that like there'll be a barn where the main part of the barn is on the second Level and there's a ramp up the side of the barn Which is kind of a very east coast barn thing, but Um There was a big pile of dirt that wasn't a ramp but just a big pile of dirt off the end of the uh off the end of the uh ramp and These huge beautiful stone blocks made up the side of the ramp So my dad wanted to expose those on the back side because dirt looked like crap and the stone looked amazing And we started digging At about two hours into the project. We realized that they had been dumping their garbage Over basically dumping their garbage over on the far side of the ramp at the back of the barn and then throwing dirt on it Uh, we found I found patent medicine bottles. I dated back to You know 100 100 plus years Um So it was crazy and then we would find stuff like tucked into barn rafters and and underneath floors and and it was You know, it was an insane and really cool place to grow up And also the barn was wrapped with asbestos and you know, I once found a bag of dbt basically and other things So there was exciting things about being in the old house too He makes literally like apples way cooler burn than the one I grew up in Well, it was much older and There's this whole sort of farmer mentality where you save everything because it might be useful So some of the stuff was like it would have been a poultry farm Oh the dbt that's where you get the thin eggshell. So it makes it easier for people to crack open I don't really think that's where they were going with that Well, that's why I think pan dbt because it made uh, yeah bird shells very Fragile like eagles and they became endangered. So it's not yeah We were not actually not because it was bad for people it was because it was bad for the entire of it Which you have spots on my apples, but leave me the birds and the bees please Is that jony michael? Yep, and then uh Counting crows to the cover. That's right. That's right. Very good. Oh Really, how do you guys know this? I know I know the song the jony michael song just because I know the song But when I asked the amazon echo to play it earlier today, they played the counting crows version and I was like, oh I don't know either of those songs. I don't think It's called big yellow taxi and it's uh, the one don't it always seem to go. You don't know what you got till it's gone Oh, yeah, the paradise put up a parking. Yeah, you know, you know, you know, you love it Janet jacks jenna jackson sampled that I know that. Oh, yeah. Okay. There you go. Yep. Yep We all have her we all have her lanes. That's right Ha and I'm a stand mine. Yep Oh my gosh, darin kitchen and I on signal went on a long pun off Where the puns had to be around members of the dtns crew So we go on Oh, I'll have to pull it up There's some good ones You all you all got to mention you all got a shout out. We started pulling in buzz out loud and stuff He said I could uh screen capture it and put it on reddit if I wanted. I don't know if I have time to do that, but Uh, let's see Oh, it's too bad as long as I'm the prettiest. It's all good It's fine with me. I made a pun on elon musk's name Uh, and darin said that's okay. I get snubbed at the office stuff And I said well, I just try to stay in my lane at work Uh, and then darin said have you really the jury's still out on that? And I wrote roger that This is so dad joke, but also so funny. Uh, I'd lend a hand with that, but I've been so busy V understand Veronica oh And then he wrote well, it's norton really my job, but I care about you man And I wrote thanks man after allison and dunn back at ya Wow That's true friendship. Oh it kept going I mean that's that's that that is real. That's not you could you could have a lot of acquaintances who would just not do that with you on signal Darin kitchen true friend Patriot a lot of acquaintances. I know who would and have in similar situations wrote stop in all caps It's probably me. Yeah I still to this day shameless makes puns and I'll be like you're not hanging out with tom anymore Like why are you not acknowledging my my linguistic talents and who is tom? God damnit merit Oh Lamar speaking of stop this lamar wilson is the king of writing in all caps on most of my instagram photos stop this I've got a few of those from him too. It's funny. It's always funny, you know Yeah, and like if I respond like I'll never get another response like that's where it Oh, no, that's it stop this and he's moved on. Yeah, it's funny And I always wonder like like do people think like people think he's mad at me Exactly. I agree. Yeah No, no, it's just a thing. It's a bit It's fine. Yeah Oh my goodness. I have one of the great walks with him of all time Nice the great walks We were in new york to do a thing for amazon and we basically he was ordering takeout And I ran into him in the lobby because my flight arrived at like 11 o'clock at night And we ended up going to we're going to go walk down to a korean restaurant I used to go to because we were like a block from where I used to work in the city And we ended up walking all the way downtown to china town Yeah, it was a good walk. It's a pretty hysterical conversation too I mean funny, dude. Yeah, I'd walk in manhattan with lamar. No problem walking with lamar sounds like a podcast Yeah Right now video folks go search for that podcast. Yeah, that's that's gonna be your next thing audio folks stick around. There's more to come