 Many thanks for keeping us company and if you just tuned in this is why two five four news highlights is about time now we move to our discussion Monday where we are looking at one year on after the handshake and we want to see if it was of any importance to any Kenyan out here and the political fit between NASA leader Ray Ludinga and president Uhuru Kenyatta may have solved the political uh the stability of the nation but has brought the spot in political fraternity because we have seen what has been happening in the recent past and right about now I am joined by Daniel Orogo from my file left and he's a political analyst and then Pidon Mushoki he's a community organizer and civic educator good evening gentlemen many things for coming and making it here now we want to see uh one year on after the handshake as a person Pidon has handshake helped you in any way first of all thank you for having me um I believe that uh as a citizen of Kenya one of the backbones of development is peace that you can't have any development I can't go about my business if there is a political instability and if there is insecurity so I think as a citizen one of the virtues that I take with uh that came from the handshake is the political stability that came through and with the dawn of the handshake I can go about my business doing my activities as I would like which was unfair prior the handshake so I think for me the biggest take is the political stability that was brought about by the handshake all right Daniel do you share the same opinion has the handshake helped you well um thanks Hilary for inviting me here again um holless speaking as an individual it might not have helped me directly as an individual um because that is purely a political process uh protected at very high level but relatively compared to uh before you realize that um transacting our businesses or doing something within the community or area we come from requires relative stability requires um relative peace uh it also required a level in the sense of you know uh security indesurity in what we are doing so I think to that then um um the handshake or rather broadly what we called um building bridges initiative to a new nation has a comparatively help restore the level of you know economic stability peace and insecurity yeah all right well we may all agree uh the handshake stabilized the nation and prevented it from going to Anakiba now the the question comes in development now is there a major project you can point out python and say through the handshake we have this project courtesy of the handshake I can't cite the project but um I think it's from the Kenya Bureau of Statistics they gave the statistics for last year and they said that the economy grew from I think 5.5 to 6 percent and the sectors that contributed to it I think it was agriculture and construction um so I might not point one or two projects uh but I think the surplus of the tourist we had and also the level of foreign direct investment I think they all added towards the growth of the economy so I can't really say this this one really the project that I can point out but I think generally it created an juicy environment for tourism whether it's agriculture construction and I think it's contributed generally to the growth of the economy all right Daniel you remember before the elections in 2017 earlier on there were many projects that were proposed by the jubilee government including the northern collector tunnel and it brought a lot of problems because I remember the people from Murangawa told by Nasa Lida Reilo Dinga that in the in future Murangawa will become a desert and now he is in the government what happened to that project that he was against and now he's in the government that had had that proposal what do you think will happen in the the next maybe two years well it's it's it's not really to be fair um on him he's been on public media saying that he's still in ODM and he's the leader of official opposition well we we all know that the ninth march last year handshake you know brought a closing working relationship between him and the president but as the situation is right now he is not declared that he is in the government but then back to the question that you've asked is by the fact that what it's different from you know the issues that he is he was flagging out when he was still in the opposition and northern collector tunnel is one of it a number of issues you know the euro bond and so many things that he was and I think by that time uh well right now I think he we could actually see that uh the collector tunnel in Murangawa any other area was a very uh a source of water supply not only in that county but even in Nairobi major you could actually see right now that Nairobi every Monday to Saturday there are some misters that have really been seriously hit by the water shortage and we are not attributing that that it's probably from Murangawa but probably some water water cutment areas that you know we actually ask people to conserve environment including the mau when when he noted it around after 2007 2008 but right now that he is in the goodwill to work with the president and advise the president on a brotherlyhood platform it's quite important that uh as as they have tea or as they have phone calls in the morning quite to you know try to remind the government as the president is the head of the executive to remind him that you see when I was in opposition such issues I brought it up it's time that now we jointly follow them up and so that you know uh it becomes a reality but then also what you're asking is the fact that these has bring a lot of suspicion from different political camps and and I think as we head there it's it's it's something that we should actually put to question for example the fight against graft and all these things that have come uh within this handshake all right yeah all right a python uh corruption like he just mentioned is one of the impediments to development in any nation and we know our country have been struggling with this uh means for a long time now but now the question is the bbi that was formed one of the agenda was to fight against corruption at the moment do you think the bbi is doing enough to ensure corruption has been fought in good faith not targeting individuals like many people crying out a community is being targeted a certain individual is being targeted do you think the bbi is going to uh bring to table a good report that at this point we have fought corruption I think we are on the right track and when it comes to corruption I don't think we are able to say that it's targeted to a few individuals this is my own individual take that the handshake to ask the citizens it's working for our own betterment but when it comes to politicians they they have a different view because most of them have ambitions and so to them they don't see the handshake as something that has brought political stability it's a threat to them and so I've had so many politicians saying that corruption is targeted to a few individuals or communities but when it comes to public resources I don't think there's an issue of tribe or community or any person each and every person whether public or state officer should be ready to account for any manis that either have been embezzled or they have not been accounted for so I think we are on the right track from the DCI to the DPP and I think it's as we enjoy the political stability let's also encourage the institutions and give them time also to do their work and I believe that at least we will have one one conviction one prosecution if not two so I think to me we are on the right track in the fight against corruption all right let's talk about now the young people being involved in all this Daniel a few times I've heard you hear you say the youth were not immediately involved and we can remember during the election period every other time we see the youth being involved in propagating violence and doing all manner of things but now what is the position of youths at this point considering we are not in the BBI team well yeah it's it's it's always the question that I I struggle to you know to bring to form first of all like you rightfully intimated one wherever there is a process of political election and the process of a campaign there is a sense in which young people are always involved either to try to plan for campaigners or try to market or try to you know reach out to the politicians so that will sell them and in that sense look at the caravans the young people have been having for for these politicians look at who runs the social media says for these politicians look at actually who comes up with popular music and pop music to campaign for these politicians 90% is young people and I don't know why each and every time we forget that when we go to campaign we have to go with the written memorandum and ask them that once we successfully elected to this leadership position what is this written agreement that you are going to get through none the other problem that are doing as a country is that for a very long time we've been enslaved and you know we are in this conclave of ethnic you know ethnic biasness where a young person who was the similar problem aluo and a kikuyu sleeping hungry each and every day but finds it so easy to bucha one another during election because of tribe that is one question we need to answer the third is that the fact that there is no stronger youth political movement in this country that united young people what we have is national youth council that is not political so then building bridges initiative did not reward young people to be brought to for among is the 12th member committee nan is young who are there they are there people like senator amu's work who's you know exhausted their time people like you know we can mention and mention and mention but you realize the young people's energy and synergy and ideas that are needed in building bridges initiative is not there what we do is you know we are calling this here in platforms where bba is working in each and every county in making forums that is where young people are even given a platform to address but we never know even as we address there is no feedback so i think it is a short change is one of the issues that isis is a form of hypocrisy and young people have been short changing this country but when election is going to come you gotta see many of them many of them running in a platform of youth youthful campaign all right up into i hear it's at 12 uh gentleman they are like the 12 types of uh israel but now what's your position as a youth what do you feel how have the youths been involved though in the team we are out here we are crying do you think they are hearing our cries um so so we have to change tact and i agree with my brother daniel that uh so what do we do uh if we are short changed i think we can't cry and complain and say oh we are short changed i think if our voice is not heard by having young people in the 12 or 14 member that task force i think it's up to us to use other avenues that are in place we have many youth organizations we have community youth groups we have young parliamentarians association i think they came out strongly saying that there was no and no youth representation and because the task force was mandated to come up i think with a way forward with the findings and the recommendation it's up to us the young people to see if our voices have been heard or if our views have been incorporated in those findings i think issues like lack of national ethos you can't speak about ethos without engaging the young people and so if we engage as you have said in the county levels and being or having the knowledge of where the public hearings are happening i think it's for us to go probably we may not have one person or two people but i think individually we have a responsibility whether my young person in mombasa or embu or kisumu i need to know where these public hearings are and i need to hear my voice because my voice is your voice my voice is daniel's voice and i think probably that's the only way that we can get even or try and see whether um our views will be heard all right we are running out of time but we have to finish this daniel we already have uh young parliamentarians in the parliament uh we have a few weekend point and one of them was a musician and i hoped that these people when they are there they can bring the issues of musicians and every other person out here but then do you think they are doing enough as far as bbi is concerned and as far as the youth of this country are concerned you know let me let me say something but we can't always every time say that we need to find a way of doing things the only way we need to always make sure if you are not in the table you are never going to be in the menu as well let's let's get this clear that every time we miss out in these election positions the only time we want to realize and say now we need to find a way of hearing our voices i'm telling you that there is an equal platform if if women have an equal platform to run with the politicians young people must also have a platform to do that and we don't find a way of saying now we need to find the building bridges initiative or to have been petitioned at the first hand because there is lack of inclusivity why are we saying this whatever we appear in these forums we are not going to make our voice be concrete because then there is no feedback that you gonna hold them accountable in the feedback moving forward the young people that we are emulating has let this country down and i don't think anybody can call them mentors or people who are to be looked after i don't think so i think there is a sense in which they ought to be refined you know way in which we objectively begin to make our ways in the mainstream political economic and social system we must begin to realize that you know we are not leaders of tomorrow tomorrow never comes we are leaders of right now and we run an equal platform a political position other than that then we are going to still cry foul and find a way of justifying that we need to find a strategy now that we are left out i think this is not for me all right just one question on that area we have cried for a long time who is going to put this bell to this cat because we have the youths here we have them inside python do you think it takes momentum we won't do it overnight and i agree with my brother we need a youth movement that basically drives the youth agenda because we are the ones running social media and doing their strategic plans and everything and so even with a few parliamentarians that we have probably we have not had their voice maybe when it comes to help and a few issues here and there but it's going to take a while i'm not promising that it's going to be overnight and so i think for on our part the parliamentarians are representing us the young people and i think it's only fair for them to air the views that we would like them to air especially in parliament and issues regarding talent regarding creativity regarding sports and everything so i can't really point a finger at them and say probably they are not doing anything probably at their own level because i understand leadership also comes with its own challenges probably at their own level i think we have to give it to them they divide and they they are members of parliament i think that's a step i think the second step is just trying to inspire as you say that we don't have promote yourself i think is to inspire other young people to buy and so that we can have many young parliamentarians i believe the seldom will you find all people fighting for the for the needs or for the issues of young people i think it's for us young people to engage and to start driving the narrative in the areas of youth agenda and youth issues all right we are out of time i need your recommendation very fast 30 seconds answering this question we had the resist movement where did it go is i think now stable as we wind up what we're resisting you remember the metox you were saying you won't use this one yeah you know this is why i said some things are just like joking you know like political jokers are everywhere people just you know toying with ideas you could have even asked where was the money that was collected in these accounts before we would ask resist people who donated where did these money money go to but again as as as you asked when we indulge and now this is a youth friendly tv we addressing young people when we indulge in this kind of resistance i i hope that next time we begin to ask ourselves what is in stock for us as young people when we begin to resist companies and this thing what change does it bring to my life as a young person as opposed to promoting a certain political agenda to justify or to propel somebody else at the end of the day hilare let me tell you and this is this is at the pain i i think we began late so if if they can add us a few minutes okay when we begin to you know like i've said next time you realize that no life is worth being lost for a politician because at the end of the day they will shake hands true like they did like they did and they have always done that pito in your final my final word is as as young people we need to engage whether one has the gift of leadership i encourage them to buy whether one has a position or power let's use them for our own generation the old parliamentarians and the old politicians they have lived their lives i don't think they have the same passion as we have in seeing a changed society and i think whether one is a parliamentarian whether one is in the government whether one is doing civic education i think we must try all the avenues that we have so that we can come up with the solutions that we have so personally i think that we should not be misled by politicians and it's time that we had a youth manifesto and and drive the agenda and see the changes that we want to see all right many thanks gentlemen for coming and sharing your sentiments now she has hit the kenyan hair waves with her music uh you want to stay up next for why musheri can know who i am talking about they have been my guests pithon mushoki and daniel orrogo and my name is dereva hilary you see you on a friday stay tuned