 We've been, had the agenda posted in three places on the website and emailed to interested parties so we can legally conduct this public meeting. Yeah. Before we start, does anyone have any additions to the agenda tonight? Going once, going twice. Then we're gonna start with the minutes from the, well it seems like a long time ago. Mm, yeah. Monday, December 17th of our select board meeting. And I did not see any corrections to that. That would be welcome to me. Also I'd move we accept those. Second. Long favor. Aye. All right. Those. And we also have some minutes from a special meeting on Friday, December 21st. And I would like to, it was basically discussing candidates for the town clerk treasurer position as Joanne is stepping down. So I'd like to accept these minutes as typed up. Okay. Long favor. Aye. All right. And one last special select board meeting on Tuesday, January 8th. And which we met to a point on Julie Smith here as the town clerk treasurer until the town meeting in March when she can be officially voted in. So welcome Julie. Joanne's taking notes. One last, one last time. So I'd move we accept these minutes as typed up. Second. Long favor. Aye. All right. Thank you. Got the special event tonight is Ray, you're on. Well, I was here last meeting and talking about being a generator to back up our meter. Yeah. He's been an hour out to some of the other towns and such. Yeah. Found out. Talk to one other town. We're trying to get a meeting together with like we have four times a year. And we haven't had it yet for this quarter for Hancock and Granville. And that will also be Granville's medical and their first response. And so we haven't had that yet. You talked to, you asked me to look for some grant money called two rivers, two rivers, Pete fells. And we've talked twice and he's trying to piggyback find out about piggyback in the grant for Stockbridge and Rochester. He thinks we have a good chance because it's tri town plus a first response in that. Didn't know what to say about the town crew because I wasn't sure if they wanted to hang on it or not. And I told them that because they are not on the same repeater as we have. There's a separate one. And I've talked to the second repeater, okay, in the same place? Yes. And I've talked to a real estate lawyer about separating it. I mean, it's gonna be not part of the real estate sold, the generator and the repeater comes out or person buys it and he wants to rent space. He can do it. You know, I do know what people are looking for income or not, it's better than renting bedrooms maybe. So I did the two things that you kind of want to do the head for. I don't know if you feel any more for it or against it. Really, neither more foreign or against it. Just looking for information and options. There's definitely not any money to lay out for it. So it hasn't come from a free grant. They thought we'd have a good chance if we raised, if we campaigned for some money. And I don't think we'd have a problem. We've raised money before for projects. Yeah. And we didn't have any problem reaching out. And I think it would be probably the same this time. We've had mailings seen in the past. Yeah. And they've been very successful. We're just being a three town venture. Which repeater does the school bus service live on? On with the road crew. On with the road crew. We raised 17,000 on one of our members. Marfea. I just had a question for me. When you talk to the fellows, the grant that he was said you might have a good chance at, is that a matching grant? Is that why he was talking about you had, if he especially did a mail in? If he said, if we could prove that, if we would go at it as a matching grant, we'd have another better chance. So he's kind of, you know, being tri-town was good. And if we wanted to go for matching was better. Okay. Okay, thank you. I know there were reservations having it in a private residence before. I had obviously. So it is. And yeah, I understand. I just want everyone to be aware that the options are not all that attractive in the valley for another location here. Town doesn't own any property where we could site it. That would be, in my view, cost prohibitive. Anyways, you've got to get power to it. All right. So I don't see if that location is not acceptable where else would we have? That would be another private residence, most likely. And so I understand that's a concern. It would be for me as well. But the fact is that we do need, we do need radio communications here. That's vital. We're trying to see a way that we can, for the future, be going and having more reliable than having somebody go out in the middle of the night filling a generator because it's gonna run out of gas and we may not have medical service communications for Grandville and anything like that. So I mean, we understand it's a, it's a commitment by the town in a not ideal circumstance. Okay. I have a question. I think I asked this last time about, there's no potential for hawk up on the mountain. We went to them first and they've got common land. Was that a while ago or just recently? Or? When we put it up, where we put it where it is now. Okay, and we worked on them hard and I went to the board myself because I knew the board and I said this just to give it. And it was with two of them and the others just said no. And it was on, it was going on common land. There's power there. And the neighbor didn't have any problems with it. He actually wanted us to take the power from his house. How long ago was this? Where's he? Oh, quite a while I guess. No, no, well it was at Wendigo. It was at Wendigo. And we didn't have the 30 days to get it out of Wendigo. Okay. And we basically had it where it is now just temporarily hooked up. And then we went to a better situation. And then we went to even a better situation now. CBPS put us in a 60 foot hole. I think it's a 60 foot. Yeah, a 60 foot hole. Is it been 10 years? Probably. No more than that. No. What size genset are we looking at? 14 bar. No, because the house has a 200 amp service. So there's, we're still going to, I know the repeater is actually located in Terry's house. It is garage. There's no thought about breaking that away to its own. He does not want another building on that property. So we, I don't know if we talked about that. I don't know. But I know he does not want another building on that property. So essentially you have to size, you're sizing the genset to run the entire house. Yep. Because it's a 200 amp service. Right, which I get that and I understand all that. But you're essentially going to be running Terry's house. Yes. In the case of an emergency. Right. And it was on, we had to run it together two Saturdays or two Sundays ago. We ran it for six hours. So just concerned with that is, I can't remember. Well his generator, it's a construction generator and it's old. And it's not good to run a construction generator for a house. I mean, it's not good for your microwaves. It's not good for your refrigerators, water pumps, anything with a motor. And with a different hat on, we've had people take construction generators and run their house. And the next thing they know, we have furnace problems. We have heat pump problems. Water pump? Yeah, okay. It's just not clean power. Well, it's due to the general unreliable operation of a stall gas powered unit. Yes, yes. Yep. They don't tend to hold their frequency and voltage very well. No, they don't. You know, I get all that. But no consideration to just point to a battery backup. Let me ask you a question. Yeah, we've got batteries now. Okay. There's, I think there's six batteries for hours. I think the road crew has two batteries. Don't quote me. I've looked at them enough. You think I would know? How long have the batteries been in place? Three years. They're deep cycle. Well, they're not deep cycle. They're what you use for like a solar backup. Well, that would be generally a deep cycle type of battery. Yeah, yeah. But bigger than that. Right, probably an L16 or something. Yeah. Large case. Yes. Okay. And we used to just let those just run out. You know, you'd get about 12 hours and then if you had a fire, so your repeater was coming on to use it. We've had a couple of fires a few years ago that all of a sudden would go dead, you know. 12 hours, huh? We talked to back when it was rinkers. We talked about putting more batteries in. And he said it was a waste of our money. I don't think so. I remember meeting with him in the old, it was in the old fire station. We met with him that time talking about more batteries. And of course, if you ever listened to the guys talking 90 miles an hour, and he just said, this is a waste of your time. Better off just to turn a generator up and keep in track. And I think he changed, just changed those batteries. And that's the reason it came up about putting more in. Okay, and those those batteries have a charger, right, that's connected to it? Yes, it is. Yes, they are. Nope. Okay, surprising myself, but okay. All right, just try to understand. No. Did you say you've been to another town? No, not at all. I've just been passing, Jock and I've talked about it. Okay. But you've got a meeting coming up, you said with handcuffs and rings on. Well, it's an annual meeting, we just haven't said it yet. But it's usually when like, we do four a year. Oh, but so within the next month or two? Yeah, within this month, we're gonna do it. Okay, thank you. I also, with the rental fee that we pay for the use of it, this can has now been opened. So technically, the other towns should also share in that rental expense. Oh, we know that. And we've talked about it several different ways because we've raised money together before. We used to raise a lot of money. Back when it used to be old home days, the money was split and not the alcohol, just the money. No, we can't follow that for a while. That was too soon. But that was all split. That was a tri-town thing. We raised a lot of money that way. It's a factor that I'm making a strong suggestion on, but there is a piece of property across the street from Terry's house that is for sale, that does have power. Just the concept would be similar to the sewer site. When we bought the horse farm, took off the sewer site property and then sold the house again. That's a passability, but I'm not finding the money for that right now. It was $50,000 or something, but it couldn't be bought. And then a small second could be set aside for that that the town owns. Right. And then the rest of the lot could be sold. That was a bigger fish to fry. I mean, that was bigger. Yes, it is. I was hoping that Mark would maybe be here to talk a little bit about the first net system, coming to what extent this would become redundant or not in the future and how soon that would be. Well, that's the question, but not to say that we're not gonna need this repeater very soon, but it could become redundant. Well, three years, I don't know when you got that time, but three years ago, Rinker came to me, Carl Rinker came to me because he was looking into putting a cell tower in there. Yeah. And- In where? Right up there. Was it on Terry's property? Yeah, it was just up the hill and he was gonna subdivide it and Carl was talking about maybe he might own it. And then he was gonna take all this stuff over there, put it in a building. I forgot now how big the generator was going in that was there. And of course, behind the chain link fence and the whole nine yards. And of course, that didn't fly very far. I'm gonna put the balloons in the air. Yeah, the way I understand it, and I don't know everything there is a noble person, but it's an infrastructure that's gonna be expanding under the guise of public safety. So the licensing process for cell towers, I believe is gonna be easier because it's public safety. But I also understand that many of the cell sites will be much smaller. They don't have to be huge towers and so forth because they're basically trying to cover the dead spots. I'm not, I don't have all the information, but it might be interesting if the fire department and us would be interested in having a representative to come out from AT&T and talk about first now, what it can do and what it's calling, it might be interesting. I know that we, before we put it there, okay, because we already had it at Winneville, but Winneville didn't have much time to get it out, okay? Right. I mean, we had no time. Is that because of the change of ownership there? No, I think. Change of attitude, maybe. And Rob Darin had kept him pretty happy and Rob, but still, he was shocked. But anyway, so we said we wanna get up to 73. We just got it, we had no coverage on 73, none, any more than we had much coverage south of Route 100 past my house. And we thought, you know, with Hawke and everything, 73 was real important to Rochester. And so when Carl, we called Carl Rickard because it was first north, or what was that? Radio north. Radio north that had the whole setup at Winneville. And they were kind of spiraling down hill, so we called Carl and he came down and he says, no problems. So he put a truck up on Bethel Mountain Road and we took radios and we went up 73, we went up 125. We went all the way to Grandville. We went through Grandville, North Hollow. One night, we must have had five or six radios. Probably. And then we said that was a spot. And it looked like it on a piece of paper. Of course, a piece of paper is flat. And actually, and it didn't work bad for 125. Windigo could not go up 125 for some, you know, it just didn't go around that corner. And I think they've got just about, I think they got better coverage now on 125 than they had before. Well, you know, one of the things we're dealing with like many times is the incompatibilities of our radio systems. Yeah. Mm-hmm. You know, FirstNet, in theory, we're supposed to bring that all together. So every first responder, whether it be fire, police, whatever, communicate with one another easily. And send data, photos, videos if necessary. But if we move on with what we need immediately, what you were talking about, we still have our incompatibility issues. Yeah. I guess it's just, you know, we have to do what we have to do, right? But I think this is a little bit of a, I think there's still an opportunity to explore. Right. Right. We are in a dire situation. Yeah. Right. I mean, it's just, this is good though, because this has raised consciousness for an issue that we want to resolve. However, there's technologies that are coming into being as we speak. And maybe a little bit more research is necessary before you commit. That's all I'm saying. Yeah. Doesn't mean you can't start raising money though. Yeah. Either. No, I'm just saying money. Right, but the only problem is I don't want to raise, I don't want to be the guy that talks everybody into raising money. And then 18 months from now going, We're not going to give it back. We're not going to give it back. And I don't want to bump into the guy on the street that just sent us $300 and say, well, how are you coming with your generator? We're just making sure you need to try the same color. Yeah. Wow. We have that. Whenever we go into it, we'll be across. Well, you're right. Yeah. First neck. But I want to have a goal there. I want to have a goal, and I want to be able to show them what the goal is. I mean, we did a fundraiser for a new porta tank. And we had a picture of the porta tank. There, and I'll never forget, Norma Smith says, where do you want the money, you know? And you've got to respect that. Because this town is good to the fire department. And we don't want to send them down the wrong road. Right, right. You don't want to take advantage of it. I do not want to take advantage of it. When they built that fire station, they were good to us. And we want to respect them. We did a mailing one for the fire station to, to accessorize it. I think we've fold in $55,000. I remember shipping a check to you folks and the credit union. But that's how generous they are. But, you know, like, this is not a Rochester situation. This is a valley, in my opinion. Right, and we're not, we're taking this opportunity to maybe do something better or do something right. Folks. I can appreciate that. So let's all go in the same direction. We want to take care of the need just as you do. Right. We just want to approach it. The only thing I can say about that is, is we had a governor here a while ago for what it's all about. And he says they're going to have cell service in all four corners of the state. I guess they're probably cell service in all four corners of the state. They're in prison as far. They're gone to middle. So if you think they want to wait for that, I don't mean to be a smart ass about it. And I don't have the technology because I don't understand that. It's compatible with what our needs are as a fire department with a repeater that has a frequency versus a cell phone. I don't think they're the same, but it could be. Not even close. You don't know. I mean, you could talk cell phone towers all you want. Our needs are specific. And getting a license is not easy. It doesn't happen right around the corner here. Because we're so close to Canada. Yeah. So. I missed the last meeting where this was brought up, but is this something that could be run off of solar power? Well, I looked into if we put the most Tesla units in, the Tesla battery pack units, and I was told they didn't think they'd go long enough. If it was like the last time, not the last time, the next the last time we had the last power for almost five days. Even with solar to the Tesla. Well, you're gonna have to put a panel up there. I don't know how receptive the owner's gonna be. Well, you could definitely make that work. I mean, we have an old coverage code system out here right now that's solar power. Okay, it's not all that dissimilar from what you're trying to do. Right. In terms of electronics, okay. But it takes up a fair amount of room. Yeah. Because you got some photovoltaic array out there. And you'd have to go with a bigger array. I mean, that would be a good way to go. I mean, if you have the space, that's the way to do it these days. Instead of having another mouth to feed, and I'm referring to a genset, a generator. It's just more maintenance, more fuel, all that stuff. Well, and you're gonna have gas to... You're gonna have propane. This is about... It's gonna be propane power. I know, I said, one point, Steve Martin told me 14. He looked it up for me. I know exactly what you and you're looking at. Yeah, but it burns about 1.7 gallons an hour. Right. But that's probably at 1.7. That's probably at full capacity. Yes, but that's what his chart shows. Yeah, and you should, you won't run it. No, it won't run in anywhere near that. But I was asking him, could I ask the Brookfield, the native, you know what it's going to be. Really? Mm-hmm, okay. But I knew Steve knows. Just on top of daddy's data sheet. Yeah, right. The only reason I asked was I know, you know, the Forest Service is moving their repeater off Philadelphia with one up in corporation, which covers all Route 73 better than it's ever been covered. I don't know how far up toward 125, but they're also proposing a repeater up on Braintree Mountain. And I don't know if there's a possibility of co-locating. I mean, there's, Pete recently, example, that repeater up on Philadelphia, Pete, is full of power. They're a long time. Why are they moving it? Are they teaching around to make it two? Because Philly's in the designated wilderness area. We want those bears to warm up to it. They got a helicopter that outer? No, it's coming out on horseback and human power. It went in half of it, well, not half of it, a portion went in the back of this ass. I ain't holding it up. It's up to you to get me there. Yeah, I hiked up to it. So I don't want to take any more of your time off, but I've done what you asked me to do. No, thank you. We're just as concerned as you are. We just want to do it what we feel is the most up-to-date, modern, efficient way. So a little bit more research, I think, would be true, that's all. Yeah, it's going to have to be, I mean, I don't want to start. I mean, we just updated our radio system, put a lot of money into it. Well, whenever we had to split the bands, whenever they split the bands, what was that for? That's four or five years ago, we had to put all the radios in. We had no choice on that. So, you know, we went. And it was a good thing. Perhaps you guys could reach out to this other system you're talking about for AT&T and see how compatible that might be for what our needs would be and see if it's even an option. I'm not familiar with it at all. I will tell you. I didn't know we had something else coming up, I mean. The only thing that is questionable about the FirstNet system is coverage because the infrastructure is not completed yet. As far, with that aside, the capabilities far, far exceed what you have now. I mean, it's unbelievable. Okay, because you have the full text talk. Push to talk. You have push to talk options. You can send videos. You can send pictures instantly to any first responder, whether it be police, fire, the town, the highway department, and other towns as well. I know on 73, the state police used our radios to talk this much. You got GPS you can use. So you can find where your trucks are if you're close by on the way where they are. And these cell phones are designed for FirstNet. They are heavy duty, weatherproof, ruggedized phones, okay, designed for this purpose. And I guess. They become your cell phone. Well, they become your cell phone, right? So the first tool to talk to them. Currently we use. That's a good thing. Exactly. You know? I mean, let's do it. Currently we use the state police for dispatch and purposes. Right. And I don't know how that plays into it. Because they wanted to get out of it. We, we, that was that five years ago, we had to beg them to stay on. There was a movement. It went like that, what? Of dispatching us. They didn't want us, they wanted us to just take it over ourselves. Take it over ourselves. They didn't want the cost. They didn't want the, and I mean, it was scary. I mean, we didn't know what we were going to do because Rinker was getting out of it. We'd have to go to somebody like Centralmont and Rutland. They dispatch a few fire departments, but not many. And I, I've been through them for some companies we do work for. But that's not a consideration now. They haven't made anything right about it. They finally said that they were to go back to doing it. Or stay doing it. For three years. For your business. And we use Centralmont. Centralmont, huh? Well, we don't use them for dispatching, like CV oil does. So, is the board, if they're, he's going to do more research and he's also going to talk to him, so I can ramble at that meeting. And our, our, it's the first one that we're going to be doing research to. But you're going to be talking to FirstNet about their, what they, what they are. I think it's worthwhile. Okay, thank you. No, anything's worthwhile. I mean, but we are, where we are is one of the, the deepest folds in the mountains around here. Oh, we are. And what they say they can do everywhere. They've got to come here. We know it doesn't always just lie here. Yeah, right. And it couldn't be 10 years from then. Right, right. Well, no, exactly. There is a, it's going to take a while to get that construction in place. So, what the system you have now is most, most likely going to be the one you live with for a while. And it's so. I think if his generator dropped dead tomorrow morning, that would be the end of that, of him owning a generator. I thought that that generator actually belonged to... No, I think that's his generator. That's his generator. That's his generator. Okay. So, someone mentioned that it was the generator that was given to the fire department from Home Depot during Irene. That never did work. That never did work. And you want it. Where is it? What's that? Where is it? This is the fire station. I don't know. That's interesting. Okay. Can the highway guys use this? I think they're hooked up now though at the down garage. Yes. During that last outage. They're hooked up for the whole day. Cold outside. They wouldn't want this one. All right. Well, this is, I think... Oh, so it's just a little thing that they think 1500 watt. Okay. Yeah. Okay. Nice. It was a good gesture. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. We thought it was a great thing. We were gonna put it on one of the trucks to, you know, for lights, work lights and stuff, but never even... Didn't do that. And then we couldn't give it back to them. Yeah. Thank you very much. Thank you. Okay, thank you. Keep us all covered. And you do the same for us. Yes, be careful. Yeah. Thanks, Mike, for taking on that meeting. Yeah. Okay. Right? Yeah. Excuse myself for the meeting for just a few minutes. I'm just going to... Next up is Joan. Okay. Let's see. I can give you a final stormwater master plan. It's finalized in December. Interesting reading when you have a chance to do that, maybe after the budget season is over. One thing I would like to be able to talk to about before January 23rd is we had a little bit of a discussion when Andres from Wireshed Consulting Associates made his presentation. He, remember, he talked about, well, we had some discussion about a potential project moving forward sometime in the next few months that would be at the town garage. That would be most likely one that had opportunity, funding opportunities to move forward. And whatever partnership is prepared to pull together the funding for that. And the main provision that we told them would be in terms of the town's interest would be it would have to come without any cost to the town except for in kind work. And so Mary Russ and I had another phone call with Andres to kind of start that process because if you remember also, one of the things they need to do is finish up some final design work for the garage, which is pretty minor. And the grant that might be available, there's two of them actually that would be matching grants would cover final design, would be a design and build essentially the total cost of some in their neighborhood of $72,000. That was the least expensive of the three. Right, and one that also could have the biggest impact for the least amount of money expended. So the two grants, one of them is a clean water block grant which was the same funding that was used for White River Partnerships Wing Farm Road. Yeah, the last project was also clean water, it's a new grant program, fairly new grant program from the state. There's money left over from this current round so they're rolling it over into 2019. And so we have effectively almost a shovel that they call shovel ready project which they would very likely be willing to fund. That would need to be matched and the January 23rd date is a National Forest Service Foundation grant that would fund the balance. And then as I said, there would just be a match from the town, which would be in kind, things that the road crew would be able to do. Is that part of the government functioning? Well, that's that's always a question. Far as we know so far, the deadline is still a 23rd and you heard anything about that. Could very well be that the grant gets submitted and then they sit there for the most time. But nevertheless that is the date we know about. So she was just anxious to hear if we could make a decision. And the decision is not go well, the decision is pretty much yes, this is something you would like to pursue if the funding can be 100% between those two so that she has the time to put together the grant and get it submitted. Could have you noticed anybody else down there looking at the building? I remember during our presentation there was some discussion about maybe going to the front of the building instead of the back with the- The pipe. Yeah. They would be- They have to do some soil tests and various other things to sort of determine and ensure like there's no rubble underneath there. Yeah, that's all part of what their next round of the investigation would be if they wanted to move forward. Which they're prepared to do if they get there. We can't read it. I'm told you now. Yes, yes, that's what we'll be having. That's out of the way to treat that bad. So we don't necessarily have to decide now if you want to have, you know, if you have the time to schedule a special meeting before the 23rd to get into the details a little more. I do have four notes from the phone call that I was a part of, which I'm sorry, I didn't have a chance to put together today because I was working on something else just so you can have a little more information before you make a few months. So we don't need to do an audit. Right. No. So that's one thing. And I'll send you an email the next couple of days and you'll have to know what you want to do there. The next thing is the Vellamont grant. There are some documents they have asked you to sign so they can submit the grant. They're kind of pro forma. I have them all marked here in resolution. This one is to designate a public agency to help you and you. The other is a contract because apparently two rivers out of Coochie would be involved as the administrator. We would be the sub grantee. So that's what this is. It just came in today. I did not have a chance to read it. It's pretty poor pro forma also, but you might want to be able to read through it. And there's a place for let's see, just do needs to sign this one if you decide to do that. And then this last one is something called it's Vermont Community Development Program requirement that you indicate as a town that there are certain municipal policies and codes that are part of our standard policy list. And I'm not sure that we have all of these, but you do have to say that the town has a policy regarding equal employment opportunities, fair housing. We probably do have, I don't know exactly what's in that book. No discrimination on the basis of race, color, et cetera. No use of excessive force. There's an anti-lobbing provision. There's a code of ethics that you're required to have. You have to have a drug free workplace. There has to be monitoring of a sub recipient in an event we have one such as Parkhouse with a sub recipient. I mean now have a better idea of what those requirements are. And finally, something that protects whistleblowers. So I have a feeling that maybe not all of these are in our current policies. If you sign this, you are saying that either you have it or you will have it by the time the grant comes through. So I just wanted to point that out to you before you actually just sign it. And there's a place where you don't have to create all those policies too. Yeah, I think that's the point. Yeah, right. So that's something. Just a planning grant. Yeah. Yes, that's correct. Well, any of these policies that we don't currently have are probably things that we're gonna eventually need to have anyway. Any funding from the Vermont Food Development folks or, yeah, this is what they expect us to have it. It's an initiative, that's right. I just want to make sure you have the framework and get it done when you have it. So we will hear from the Velma Trio Project people again. I assume so. Yeah. Because I still had a question about our services when our fire and amulet services are needed. How would we connect with it to support that? Well, that's a good question. I think they'd be asking Angus for starters. You know, whatever question you have of that nature, you can tell me when we start thinking about it. So the only last thing I have is there was a set of minutes from a previous meeting I wasn't at. I don't know if it was the last select board meeting or another one, but I saw something about, there seemed to be a misunderstanding about, thanks, about the bus shelter and seem to be, the misunderstanding seemed to be that there was an expectation from the town that the school would be helping to pay for a bus shelter if there were students to be using it. And I want to just make sure that everyone knows that's not the case. So we have money. This was a sport, but no. Okay, all right, fine. Because we do have the money still in our parking ride grant, $10,000 for. I'm just waiting for the stagecoach. We were thinking of expanding on that if we were to have the school children waiting for the school bus. Right, but that wouldn't... I don't see the school taking that avenue. No, okay. Well, I don't know if that's up to the school or if the parents decide where they would like their kids to be waiting for. They won't get it figured out until probably next year. Not this probably up in the past school year. So that is still something that would be the often once. We're waiting now for stagecoach to replace a staff person who handles the sort of thing that will renew the compensation. And they might have some input on design. Yeah, yeah, yeah, probably. Ultimately that would be the town's decision, but I'm sure there are suggestions for handicap accessible and whatever the bus needs so that people of all ages and abilities can make use of it. Get on the bus. Yeah, yeah. So why don't we keep that all together and put it on the desktop and back in tomorrow? Were you able to get Mike the information he was looking for? Yep, we can get that one. Yep, great. Nobody here from the library or the constable, so Kevin, night off. I got nothing. You got nothing? I just came because I hadn't been in a long time. Yeah. How was the sand file holding up? Very poorly. It was tricky. Just came some today and I've got some tomorrow. Where are you about half? Is it about half gone or where is that? Over half and overhead. Where are you going? Where is the sand file? Well, we're going to get a little from DNF and a little from Florence, but nobody has any. We're trucking out of shit playing right now. We're talking. You should note that the UPS guy is thrilled with the roads this year. Very happy with the roads. I don't know if he is. It's a well done, guys. Yeah. He's not thrilled with my driveway. Nobody's driveway. That's the last one to get sanded. That's the last one to get sanded. Go ahead. How are you doing? Ashes. Yeah. All right. Keep up the good work. That's it. Thank you. See what happens this weekend. Yeah, right. It's hoping that we're nice. Got liquor license here from the Maple Soul. One for the business proper and one for out on the porch. So I'd move we approve these. Just a second. Long bear. Hi. And Bruce, you still have some information that you wanted to get to us on that. On the UPS, three of the platform roads, Jones Mountain, Barry Kinsman, and the so-called Pine Road, which I think is 58. But I haven't been able to get a chance to pull together all the background information that you would need in order to go ahead and make changes in the class for mileage. We're on the stop due till February 20th. Well, I'll see what I can pull together. But one interesting thing I found is this Pine Road actually starts in the Bingo Road, goes across the new bridge up the hill and then bears to the right. And according to the highway map, it ends in the middle of nowhere. So I came in here to look for why they discontinued the old portion of Bingo Road that was north of Bingo Brook. There's nothing in the roads record. And if you go to look at the select board minutes, there are no minutes. There's a whole section, a period of time where the select board minutes are missing. Interesting. From what period of time? In the late 30s to the early 40s. From my time. Right when the change was made from the north side of the Bingo Road. There's a Forest Service Agreement when, you know, that led to the establishment of the Bingo Road being on the south side of Bingo Brook. But there's no, why they discontinued one portion that's north of Bingo Brook and not the whole thing. But then going through the maps, one by one, the maps indicate that that pine road terminated at, there's a little gravel bank out there, sand pit, and that's where the map shows, but the mileage is inaccurate. So I think, I mean to me it's pretty clear they intended to keep that as a town road is to access that sand pit and then discontinue the rest of it, but you can't find that actual discontinuance. At least I haven't been able to find it. Well, you know, it's just, it's interesting that the minutes from the select board meeting that we need to figure this out disappeared. Well, it's a whole period. It isn't just, it is as well, I mean, yeah, but it was over a whole period that the minutes are gone and it was during that period that there was the flood, there was the land transfer from my D to, you know, for the Bingo road on this side of the road, my side of the road. And that was all like around 38, yeah. Well, what was the flood? That was, the big flood, the big flood, the big flood. Is that the big one now? It used to be big. It used to be the big one. But anyway, I mean, that's where I am with my research right now. So maybe I'll get together. If I don't, then I'll get it together and next February we'll be having the same discussion. So Bruce, the information you're getting together is that for that state road inventory report that they were talking about? Yeah. The town road mileage. Okay, thank you. And you're saying that the pine, gap road, pine road. The pine road is, starts in the middle, well, most of the junctions, you go to the center line of the road. So it starts in the center of the Bingo road. It goes across the bridge, up the hill, and bears right. The pine gap road starts at the top of the hill and goes left. Which is also, what's the other name for that? What was the name before there? There was a fireman road. A fireman road, yeah. The guy that did the survey out there said it's the fireman road. Well, call it what you want. Well, yeah. Go by the town road number. Yeah, same deal. But it starts, not at the Bingo road, it starts on the north side of the Bingo road. More to follow. More to follow. All right, thank you. Thank you. You're not saying that they work. Well, my next, what I plan to do next is go to the state and say, did you receive justification from Rochester changing the mileage of that road? And what is it? You know, the slack board should have submitted, you know, some reason that they dropped part of that original Bingo road. And the state may have that record. Well, on that note, I think we'll all get the road home. Thank you all for coming. Oh, it's a new year. The American Legion has put out flags for a number of the years the town purchases them. I personally picked up all seven cemeteries worth of flags this fall. I paid this election so you can see what happens when we reuse flags and don't put out new ones. I've been told that it needs to be in the budget, so I don't know if you need to be aware of it before March. That is a rough estimate of what you need. Leslie Bowen and myself have more or less taken over our college jobs in the American Legion and put them up in the paper. So the wood lawn, you got 12? I split the wood lawn into the main one and the new one. And you got to realize there's a lot of road war to Korea and Vietnam vets that are passing by now. So the new part's got there's this two? The new part has roughly 40. The main part has roughly 200. A lot of these, and that's the cemetery that's the most open. If you put a flag out that looks basically like this without that tear at the first windstorm, this is what happens. I have destroyed almost all the old flags. We saved a lot last year. I got a lot of phone calls. So you estimate these flags to be one year old? Yes. Okay. Janice, do you leave them out here around? No, well, I have two. I have one at the base at the bench and I did not get Tupper Farmers. Tupper Farmers has just one flag. But no, we put them up in May. So they're up there by Memorial Day and I personally have them down by Veteran's Day but most of them are picked up by September and October. So you're doing this and doing the auspices of the VFW? No, American Legion has done that for years. American Legion, I'm sorry, excuse me. That's not their budget. Yeah. Yeah, I need you to let us see it. I'm just gonna tell you that it's impale. The town purchases the flag and it's always been the American Legion's responsibility to do it. Thank you. I just want to make sure I got it right. Thanks for the inventory of the move. Is it on? Thank you. Thank you. Yeah. And that list over to the person owns the hardware store. They would love to take care of this. Happy birthday. Yeah. We don't think she never got any. So they would be expecting to put us up by Memorial Day? Say our target. I will be speaking the town clerk's office has helped us for the last three years as our fathers passed away or health prevented them from doing it. Well, yes, they have always done a bit of this. I want to know they're in hand by May 1st. Okay.