 Welcome back to part two of the exclusive Duncan Ferguson interview here on Toffy TV. So Duncan, when you finished, you just went off our radar, disappeared, sailed off into the sun set to be on for a couple of years. I did you, a couple of years there, because I took the farm away, tried something different, you know what I mean. Goed back into football, started working at private academy, started taking my badges, went through that route, you know. Obviously wanted to get back to everything. Did you ever think that you would do that as a player? Because I remember... I think as a coach, not so much as a coach. I think you just want to be a manager, didn't you? You still want to be a manager, you think it's easy, didn't you? I remember when you were taking your badges and they'd been sight, like, you know, because you were, because you had sight. No, because you had disappeared, you completely disappeared. Like no one, like people were out. I saw them in a bar in New York or whatever, and you completely gone off the radar and because you didn't speak to the press anyway, it was like you were completely gone. And then I remember seeing a few things like saying, someone seeing them up in Newcastle was doing a coaching session or something, it's like, don't come being a coach, it just didn't. Because when I was going up, people always said, he doesn't like football, that's what people used to say. He's not bothered, he doesn't really like football, he just comes in and plays and then goes home, he don't see him. It's because obviously the trouble you had with the press and you decided not to speak to them. No one knew anything about you, and it's quite amazing. Amazing stories can grow, can they? Oh, what's up, this is just... How your reputation can get you, can be damaged or can grow for absolutely through absolutely nothing. I played football since I was six or seven in the streets. Boys Brigade Boy, School Football, you know, Grassroots Football, professional football for a national team, worked every day, and everybody who loved football was sitting in the house. And I'd be out in the street kicking a ball on my own right now, because all the kids who all love football, all left to go away birds and go to the discos, but there's me out in the street, matting a ball off the wall to the leather come off it and to the big bladder stuck it, remember to think about it. And you had to go and get another ball. You know, because I didn't like football, and then you go through all the trials and you go through all the fitness and all the operations. And you go to the top at 34, playing at the highest level. And then you take a break because you're sick, you're sick because you've not got football in your life anymore. You've not got everything in your life anymore. So actually, because you're that upset about the situation, you take yourself out of that situation with your family. After a year you're thinking, what am I then? I'm a young man. I've been out of football for one year and you're desperate to get back. So then you start going through your badges, you start working for a private academy to try and recruit players for the academy in which I was doing. And one day I want to go back to my love, I want to go back to football, I want to go back to everything. And that's what you do. So where are these stories going for you? But that's just... What's that? I told you. What's that when you've been back there with them? What's that when you've been there with them? That's it. People just make stories up, don't they? To watch a suit there at your home. Because going back to your point, I never spoke to the press, so let's make it up. Let's listen to the man in the pub. Listen to my mate's mate saying this. My mate's mate was there. That's it, isn't it? That's the way it is. Now, who's ever actually been right next to me to tell the actual truth? The real story. So, anyway. Right now, what's happening? I mean, listen, I know certain people but I've never heard this from you coming out of your mouth, back hand, I think, because you're right. When it's quiet, people will just fill the space. They can say what they want, you're not going to reply because you're not in the press. I've always found by, I don't know if it's right or wrong, when you're popular or when you've got a bit of a name, people want to damage you, they'll damage you. And also, knowing that it's that, they want to talk about maybe the name because it makes them feel important. If they talk about a nomark or a guy who's no really in the conversation today, so they then become the nomark. So they talk about the guy who's got the name, Duncan Ferguson, what was that? And that makes them feel important. That's followed me through on my career. And a lot to me has always boiled into a bit of jealousy. There's always been a wee bit of jealousy because they've been popular. And I've been popular with my fans and I've also been a part of the city, part of the street. You've always been a mystery though as well because people expect a certain, to see a certain way of, like there's other players, you see having 18-year-old birthday parties and then like hello magazine and all this kind of thing, you kept yourself to yourself. And maybe, and that's your advice. Some people didn't like that because there was value in your name. And if they're not making some value off your name, then why should you make any value of it? And you see that all the time now, it's not, it's... But it is jealousy. I'm saying it's jealousy and it's not allowing someone to just live their own life. And that's why you get stuff now, people. Even now, you know, they'll come on to you being a coach. But even now, when, and you don't need to reply to this because I'm just going to say it, but even now people are making stuff up because they don't know it, doesn't do this, he doesn't do that. Why would people want to be like that? For one of our own. I don't get it. It makes them feel a bit more important, doesn't it? I think. It happens all over the town. It does happen. You're not the only one I left, but it's not when we're talking about it. But it happens all over the town. But anyway, the greatest news was you come back to Everton and Duncan Ferguson's back to Everton and it was a big story. It was a big story. I went to see Moisey because it means Moisey Patti don't know the great terms because, you know, we weren't, towards the end, it really been all getting told. Yeah. You know, that was, I was, you know, Mcmervin Craves was overly. I've never spoken about it, but I'll tell you what happened. The next day after the game, we all got called in to Belfield. And everybody who got called in was everybody, all the kids, everybody, and they were getting told you were no longer wanted. And I was a part of that. So I was in a queue waiting to see the manager. OK? Anybody knows this? And then I got the hump. So I was standing in a queue behind young 16-year-old kids who were getting released. There's a tiny rise, you know what I mean? And I'm walking in there and I've got to wait. So when I went in to see the manager, I was fucking steam was coming at me. By this time, you know what I mean? I thought he's been disrespectful to me. Yeah, yeah. But you know, it could have been done a bit better than this. But as I said, very seldom, it really is ever done better. You know, there's always a gripe. And the time I got in to see the manager, I wasn't having it. No, it's like that. So when I walked in, I gave it to him. Basically. And he actually was trying to apologise if I knew you'd been in the building, dunkered, you know what I mean? He didn't know I was waiting half an hour, you know what I mean? Jumped up and done screaming, you know what I mean? So the time I got into him, I'd gave him a double barrel, you know what I mean? I mean, both big personalities as well. Oh, he gave it back. Moisi was now soft, by the way. Moisi would go hammering tongs, you know what I mean? My God, you know what I mean? The worst stories, again, the worst stories. So, you know what I mean? He'd stand up, Moisi was a great character, you know what I mean? Typical jock, really, you know what I mean? Strong, wild, and he went to shake my hand and I basically turned away. And I walked to the donor, I'd only just stepped to the donor. I said, God, he was man enough to do that, but I was the man enough to shake his hand, you know, that time the steam was coming at me. And I regretted it. Cos I'm a man myself, I like to think I'm a man myself, and I should have shook his hand. And anyway, I went away, and that's part of the reason, no, I know that story, but of course I've struggled to cope, no being at Everton, and no hand football in your life. It's the tough thing, you've done it your whole life, you know what I mean? So that's when I went away back to New York and blah, blah, and then we'd come back and I phoned up Everton and blah, blah, blah, and Moisi actually got in the phone and said to me, I've been thinking about you. And I went, right, well, I've been thinking about you a lot. He went, I've got something for you. And I said, well, look, I want to come back, I want to come first when I see you. He went, right, so come here. So we go there, I went up, I went into Moisi's office, and I said, look, you know, five years ago, I was the man enough to shake your hand. You know, there's my hand. Can you be man enough now to shake mine? And he said, don't, and he shook my hand. And that was it, the two years ago, you know. It was done? It was done, shook each other's hand. And he said, sit down big man, you know, we've got something to discuss with you. So we sat down, and he actually wanted me to be an ambassador. He said, I'm thinking about you a lot. He says, we need to get kids into the academy. I need a big name in the city. You know the fans love you, you know the club. We want you to be a part of the club. And at the time, I think Kenny, Kenny was doing it for Liverpool. He was going to kids doors and all that and getting me signed for Liverpool's Academy and all that. So I wanted me to counteract that within the city to get on the recruitment side. I went, yeah, brilliant. I says, but I've been taking my badges. I'm going to, I want to be a coach. I've been going to that route. I went, well, you know, and I said to my brother, I'd like to do it here if it's possible. You know, I said, brilliant big man, of course you can. And he got me in the academy. He said, it'll be easy for you. I'll put you in the academy and you have to work your way up. They promised me. So I went and done the academy and I worked on the academy for years. Seven days a week. Seven o'clock in the morning and seven at night. Seven days a week. That's what I did. To get my qualifications, to go through everything and, you know, to do the hard yards. That's what I did. In the first year or through the name of me. Never paid me. I just did it, you know what I mean, did it because I wanted to get through my badges. I wanted to progress my career, you know, in the coaching. What was you like to come back to ever? And as an ex-player, but still as a fan and be able to... It's just like, it's like, if you use what forever, what would it be like? You know, if you use what forever, what would it be like, you know what I mean? It's a dream in it. I haven't been a massive part of my life. I've come at 22, I left at 34. All my family's free, my wife, my kids. They're a big part of me. And obviously getting back through the door, you know. It was, you know, it meant the world to me. And it still does. And, you know, I'm still here, and it's that pool, isn't it? It's the badge, it's the colour, it's the city, it's the fans. It's very, very hard to give up. It's very hard to hear it in your voice, don't you? It's very hard to hear it in your voice, don't you? In your voice, don't you? How much it means here, it's huge. And I've not spoken to these things. No, I'll dig in a spoken word, you know. The actual coaching then, you know, how would you describe yourself as a coach? Cos obviously people again will look at you and go, big man, we probably just won't say bang long cos he had it. So what's your, have you got it? You know, people sort of are philosophers, like the bullsweats, and I'm a philosopher here. Style of play, I like it. I know, I like it. But what? Well, winning games at football is paramount, isn't it? So, but when I started in the academy, I started in the academy, I liked the possession game with football. I went with Kevin Sheaday. She's legend, he is. He took me under his wing. And they mean him work together. And he allowed me to develop as a coach. And I worked to play the possession game because at that time it was all Barcelona at the time. And I felt that was the right way to go. So we started to build for the back and keep possession and make sure we dominated the ball. And I think that's the best way to develop kids. So that was really my style of play at the time, you know. And we had all the young players that you, the Cairndale, John Joe Kenny's, Tom Davies' and the Joe Williams' and the Matty Penance. I was working with all the other kids when they were 14, you know what I mean? Cos I was obviously coming through the academy when I was 14, 15, 16, 18. But really it was a possession. That's kind of what we were into. Building for the back, which everybody's doing now. Everyone's doing now. But you know, we were doing it back in the day. Do you think, with that, with the... There's nothing wrong with hitting a striker, by the way. No, that's what it was kind of shit. You know, it's a long pass, it's not a long ball, by the way. It's a long pass and it's always trends, isn't it? But what team's doing now is... Cos everybody builds for the back and the rules have changed. Everybody's sitting inside the box now. Everybody's smirking on the box to press the ball. There's nothing better than to just beat the press by dropping the ball into a Fellaini or a striker, chest the ball, your midfew plers come and support the ball. You've knocked five or six of the players at the game and you're counter-attacking. That's the best ball. Surely that's going to be one of the best balls. But that's an art as well, isn't it? That's being a centre forward and holding on to the ball and keeping people off your back. That's an art, isn't it, which is a dying art. It's funny, off-rooter was one of the first coaches when I was actually saying that to the team. Don't hit his head. If you're going to hit the long pass, make sure you drop into his chest, make sure he can control the ball. He was one of the first coaches who did that cos back in the day, it was always to the head. Head for the flick on, head for the flick on. And because I got so good at heading the ball, it got a bit repetitive there. But who was one of the first? Drop it into him. Drop it into his chest, drop it into him, he can control it and bring the people into play. And I think that's still the best. Well, we've seen that with Fellaini, didn't we? Well, just before you got on. Once with Fellaini, you'd somehow hold a sign, drop it in. He did also drop you and Shara, which was... See, always he doesn't know everything. He was waiting for that. I wouldn't say it, you know. But, like Pett just said, that everything did develop that with Fellaini. He was amazing at that, and even feeling like that. It gives you an option, doesn't it? If you've got the best person in the world, you can do that all day, you can do it all. No problem. But if you've not, and you're getting a ball at a centre-back, who is right-footed, but he's playing left-centre-back and you're getting him the ball, surely that's high risk. He might be able to work his way out, and teams can do it. But if you've got the ball then to drop the ball in and beat the press, you're knocking at that team, and you're getting yourself the pitch. Tyru's got it there. Tyru's got it there. It's Latin. He's on a free, isn't he? He's a free, yeah, it's Latin. He'd be all right. He'd take him in, yeah. In terms of that, then, would you describe yourself as a coach who would, if you were, like, sitting a team, or just be possessional, would you be like a bit of a hybrid coach and go, you know what, you can't, when it's on, we can go along. You know, don't be a free, cos City can't have the mix-up. I think Liverpool do it very well without feeling it. I think City did well because they had the long ball, and Liverpool definitely did. They definitely hit the penetrating pass here, the top-to-line behind. You've got to have the option. It's got to be available to you. It can't just be one thing. No, maybe back in the day when you get a big striker and your team's no great, you tend to go down that route. Let's just hit the striker, let's hit the striker. Well, maybe it's happened to me in the past, we're certain teams you won't run. Maybe we couldn't play through the midfield. Maybe they were only quiet. So we'd go a bit there, right? You've got to be able to mix it up. If you've got the best players in the world and they cannot handle the ball, you build for the back. And I think that would be the main thing. But if you can get an option in a striker that can hold it up, that can hit the ball, you've got a striker that can run in behind. You know, actually, you've got a £100m player, haven't you? That's what we're all looking for. Somebody can hold up, somebody can control it, somebody can score, somebody can run in behind. All of that. So that, I mean, how you find in coaching, obviously, we see you every week on the bench, you know, you've gone through it, you've worked on quite a few different managers now. And how have you found the transition between different managers, that difficult as a coach? You always get a bit nervous when a new manager comes in because he expects different things for you. But it grows as a coach, different bosses. It's not quite what we want as a club. We don't want to be changing managers regularly because it creates instability. But as a coach, it keeps you on your toes. You know, I've worked under a Spanish coach, I've worked under a Portuguese coach at the moment, I've worked under Dutch coaches, I've worked under British coaches. So I've heard it all, you know what I mean? It keeps you on your toes. Of course, I heard that grounding through the academy as well. Yeah, that's right. So I've done my time. I'm an experienced coach and I'll probably be one of the most experienced coaches in the league now. I've been in five or six years in the Premier League, I think. And I've played there for a long time as well, don't know. So it keeps you on your toes, working under different managers. And of course, they want different things for you. Sometimes you're involved a lot, sometimes you're not involved at all. So whatever your boss decides for you, you're there on that day, that's what you do. You follow instructions, you be loyal to your manager and loyal to your club. And that's what I show. I mean, something you just said there's important now, I think, as a fan, you've got the highest coaching badge you can get, haven't you? You've got the pro licence. So that's not easy to get because when I was younger, I wanted to be a coach and I looked into it and it's ridiculously hard and it's ridiculously expensive. You've just a normal person. You've gone through that, the time, the effort, to turn up the hours in. The hours in, like you said, you did time for free for plenty of it. That just doesn't get handed to you. You've got to work hard for all that. And I think people forget that. You don't confecing your everything icon. You've been captain, you've won a trophy, everything through and through. But that doesn't get you a job like you've got. You've got to put those hours in and be good at it. Cos what do I do? You've got to stay in the job. Yes, I'm saying, you be out the door. If he wins. Yes, you've got to put them in, you've got to be good. If you're not good, you're not here. That's it. You've got to be good at your job, haven't you? A manager comes in and says, you know, I don't like his coaching or I don't like this or I don't like that. You know, you get shown the door, don't you? That's the end, obviously, you've got to be good at what you do. So, you know, hopefully I'm good at what I do. You know, I've worked under a lot of managers, I've got a lot of experience, I mean, you know, other people don't get that. I'm at the club that I love. I've worked with a lot of great players, a lot of great strikers. I think the record's there. Do you enjoy it? I love it. I love it. It's, you know, I love it. It's my life. It's it's your life, the club. I love the job. It's incredibly rewarding. It's incredibly stressful, as you all know. You know, you're sitting on that bench, you know, it can be a lonely place, but it's a very rewarding place, you know. What's it like because you're a player? You're sitting on the bench where you've got to show different emotion, I suppose. But because you're a fan of the club as well, what's it like when you sat there and... Have you seen the emotion when Gretialyson scored at Southampton and you're up off the bench? The Toulson goal as well. The Toulson goal, emotions, the brilliant picture of you and the man who's just celebrating and things like that. But what's it like for you if things aren't going great? Do you feel, it looks like you feel every kick, every... It's like a fan and it's horrendous, it's horrendous. You know the feeling. You live and breathe it. I'm then kicking every ball for us, I'm in there shouting for every decision, you know, you're just wanting to stay one. We know a certain position, you know, within a difficult position in a league and having forbid if you go to the relegated. You know, so you're just desperate to get points. I'm like everybody else. How do you get away from that then? Is there anything you do outside? Is it your pigeons? Is there any way you can... I used to do the pigeons quite a bit. I mean, not so much now, but I'm still going to see them to try and carry them away. But you can't get away from it, can you? You can't get away from it, but I don't get away from it. You know, it's your life, it's every day, it's every minute of the day. You think about the club, you think about the fans, you think about the results, you think about the next game. It's just on and on and on. So you don't have that? You don't have anything? Coronation seat, EastEnders? Anything? Films? Any films or anything that you do? No, I watch the football on the sky. I watch the football, I watch the football and that's it. And that's all I do to be honest with you. I go to Finch Farm. I go home, and I come here. You can come here whenever you want. We're so fuddy all day, so what does your missus say? So surely your missus will be like, you know, don't come on, it's fuddy, get over it all. Is it difficult when we lose, when you go home, cos as fans, if the night goes and my missus a lach and I won't speak, you know, and I'll be like, you're all right. And I go, yeah, I'm fine. And then go to bed and you get up the next morning and you go, that's sinking feeling comes with it. Is it like that for you? Is it just? No, and probably ten times the possibility. Cos you're a party, it's your job. You're there, you know, if it's all sunny there, you're a party. You know, it's everything, it means everything to you. And it hits you really, really hard. See, I have to have stuff though. I mean, in your jobs, it's not the same. But I have to have stuff to get away from it. Cos if it didn't, I honestly think it would, like, swallow me up. Cos, listen, we come in every day and we have to talk about everything, whether it be great or whether it be horrible. So I have to have stuff to get away from it cos otherwise I just think... Cos I sit in the gladysy with my missus as well. So it's both of us. It's both of us. He goes home and it's like, you can talk to his wife, I go home and my missus has got the same face as me. And I have to... Mine doesn't a lach try's not. It made me like come in and try's not. But we love it, didn't we? We love the club, didn't we? Too much, too much. And it's great. I've got to be positive as well, haven't I? I'll just say, before we go on to something that's really important, which is all the other stuff you do, but people need repulsed this season cos there's a big portion of the season left them. We've just had a good win and we're in a quarterfile of a cup as well. I'm going to say something, you might want to cut to it or not, right? But I want to say this, right? When we had Sam Allery's right at Everton Manninger right, it was probably the toughest time in my career as a coach and also as an Everton fan, right? Cos it was incredibly hurtful, stressful and it was tough to go through that period of time when we were winning games at football, no matter how you look at it, and we were getting booed off the pitch, it completely broke my heart. For right reasons or wrong reasons, that hit me incredibly hard. Cos you're just doing your job. And you've got to support your manager, you've got to be loyal. So you can't step back from that. So you've got to go and I'm that character to go forward. So when a guy is coming in and there's no light with a fan base, right? And he's trying to do his way the best to get results and everybody's destroying him. It's easy to step away, innit? It's easy to step back. But that was hurtful to me and I actually decided to take it, saying no, no, this guy needs support. He's your manager. We're trying to win games at football and that was the toughest period in my career and possibly a wee bit of vision in history. How we're winning games at football and people weren't happy and I bloody hate that. That was incredibly tough to take. Cos to me, that's no heaven, that's no heaven for the fans. And that's just an over, it's a feeling because everybody's entitled to that feeling, it's their club. But you know, that makes sense to you. No, it does make sense. And if things were to move, things happening is something people lose their job. But we can't stop supporting everything. We can't stop, we can't even know what ever they win games at football. No, that's right. We get that all the time. I want us to lose this game cos it might mean X will lose his job. No, I don't get that, I don't get that. You want everything so... Managers will come and go and whatever happens happens but you should always want your team to win. You should always want to be a good Evertonian, shouldn't you? And I try to be a good Evertonian. I try to live that, you know, life has been a good Evertonian. And I think we should all try to do that. And what will be will be. Support the club and be there, God almighty. We travel everywhere and are thousands. We spend fortunes on supporting the club. And we need to make sure that we support the manager and support that. Well, that leads me lovely into the next thing which when you're talking about support in the club, you go, you are someone who does support the club and you do it through all of the community stuff we see here. You've had the 5K run the other week, you've seen you going to people's houses, people who were ill, you've seen you going. Interviewed you at the Lilly Centre a couple of years ago. Stuff like that. I mean, you are an Evertonian and you are in the city. I remember you saying after you've been here for about six months how you love this city because it's very much like Glasgow and things like that. But it is important here, isn't it, the Liverpool city and the community and doing stuff with obviously Carina who's fantastic at Everton. Unbelievable, she does an unbelievable job Carina. Yes, you're unbelievable. Incredible. But yeah, it is a big party and it's something I've loved. I loved it. It's a bit of love. What's wrong with that? I'm not meaning you get it back, don't you? But I mean, I've... Maybe people don't see that me as a person. But you know, you get a reputation, don't you? You cannae shake it off. It follows your end, it follows your end. No matter if it's on a football pitch or... You know, you get that reputation following your end. But I don't see myself as that person. I see myself as the person I see off the field. And I try to get as much back as I possibly can to this city because they've given me so much. And of course, you touch there and learn your programme when I was up and holding in Glasgow. That gets you through. You never forget their things. And the fans and the people of the city, both sides have been fantastic to me because I think they see somebody who cares, people want to see it, and they care, and they'll continue to care. And you know, in which to go and visit somebody. They see their faces. They make them smile or... It's incredibly rewarding. And it's something I love doing. And I'll always be a man for the people, I think. I mean, it's lovely today, you say that. But a lot of people don't do that. And they might say, pay lip service or stuff. So you're never going to say it. But you will say it. And that's thank you for it. Evertonians and for everyone, the work you do. Because it is... Listen. It's like you've got two jobs. It's like you're a coach and you're an ambassador at the same time. And yet, but you go far beyond what you need to do. I've seen pictures of you turning up at people's houses. Where the pictures are only there because someone's gone, look who's just turned up my house. It's not a chance for... Sky haven't turned up. Sky haven't turned up or, you know, someone else has set it up for it. You've turned up to go and see someone who's at the lowest. And that, you know, it doesn't matter. I know three or four people you've gone to see recently who were at the absolute lowest. And just you turning up just goes, oh my God, he's coming in. And he just wants to chat. Wants to have a cup of tea. And just wants to have a chat. He wouldn't have a cup of tea after me. I don't know what he's had. I've got water in there. You had any chocolate biscuits, did you? I don't know. Oh my God, I actually got a chocolate bar for you. I've got a terrible sweet tooth. I've got it. Oh, you can have a chocolate bar in a minute. I know what you're saying there and what Petr's said there is absolutely right. I've been social bear for 12 years and you take some of the stuff you see home. So it's, you know, for you to take it, going into these people who are real or whatever. And I know that I've seen something today that I'm not going to say in a cabinet that just come from the party. You that it's just, you know, above and beyond. And I think you do, you do do any crap. And I know you sat here and I know that. I don't know if you see it. And also that it comes from, you know, from everything in the community. They're doing it. There's no examples. And they're setting you up to do, not setting you up to do these things. You're doing these things with people from everything in the community. And it's not, there's no sort of anything in it for them either. It's because you and them, that's what you do. You love Evertonians and you love trying to help people. And I think that should just be absolutely commended. Absolutely commended. We've had a Southall in here earlier in the week and he's very like you with those views, you know, help people and being action. It's important and stuff like that. And it's good at it. I think it's incredibly important. I mean, we're a family, we're not a family. We all know each other, don't we really? There's no, there's 40,000 in the ground. Missus are fair this area. You know, we all know the families in Liverpool. They're all legends, aren't they? We all know somebody who knows somebody who knows somebody. We're all a close knit family. And you know, I like to think that they're in for them, you know what I mean? And I just hope that I just continue to do that, you know what I mean? I know the impact you have on this city because the couple of lads who were reds were all giddy when you walked in before. They were all giddy. And they're not like that. So that tells me that you've made that impression across the city. I went out to make a drink and you were in there and he was like, you're sad, aren't you? He's just like a normal fella. And you're like, he is. And you forget about all what you said before cos you haven't thought of the press and people build this caricature up of you. I don't know what you meant, did it? But it's respect, isn't it? Like, you know, I have a lot of respect for you mentioned before, Kenny Dagglish. He does loads of work around the city. How can anyone take him round? It doesn't matter what colour you're at. How can anyone take him round and go, oh, that Kenny Dagglish, you go, hang on, look at the work he's done for this city. You know, Raffa Benitez, with the work he's done for the Hillsborough Foundation and all that kind of thing. You've got to look at these people and take them away from football and go, they're just dead, good people. Forget about what colour you are, red or blue. They're just good people. And I think that's how people see you as well. They just go, you're just a dead sound fella. And he gets it. He gets what is the importance of this city. Footy is massively important in this city, but I keep shy to other people as well, is that at the end of the day, it's a game. And what you're doing is putting the game to one side and just being a human being. And I think about it being a party political broadcast. You know, I think this city will find you very quickly. Yeah. I think Scousers aren't as soft, are they? No, no. Right, and if you come down from Scotland or you come down from London or you come down from wherever you come from, if you come from Birmingham and you bounce round Liverpool and you think you're Jack-O-Lad and you think you're a threat to your boy, I think you'll quickly come on stock. Yeah. And the fact that... And they'll find the real side here as well. Well, I was just going to say that we're here 25 years later from when you shine for everything and those people still love and appreciate you. And you should be from talking Scousers and not just people who don't necessarily need to be a Scouser, but people who live in this city. You know, I've got that appreciation for you. And I think if you can stay somewhere for 25 years and still be revered by people and still have people made up to see it, then you ain't doing a bad job. If people still want to see me, I'm made up to go and see them. I mean, it's all about it. I'm still very humble that people after all these years have stopped being fit, but actually still want to shake your hand. They still want to hear an autograph. They still want to hear a picture. It's very humble. I've seen that at the Fath Cydde the week there was a queue for you. Like down the hill. So no, it's been great for me tomorrow, isn't it? I can't even thank them enough. Let me ask you this. This isn't even on the board, but I just want to ask you this. We had obviously ever been brought out the second console stage and he's also a brand new mod doc for a stadium move in the future this week. Is it the most famous mall stuff? Being on that grass, that hallowed turf, I suppose, you know what I mean? The big nights, the big results that you've got, the famous nights, you know what I mean? The one that sticks to the mind that you mentioned in 2005, the man you liked to be beaten 1-0, was it was a great night for us. So you've got the stadium, haven't you? You've got the memories within that stadium, within the walls, you know what I mean? When a new stadium comes out, we'll be thinking back then. That will be the church in the corner. We're going to get a chapel down there, we're going to build one in the corner down there, then you do something, don't you? Something like it, yeah. Oh, parts of that, really. Just the ghosts in the stadium, the memories that are attached to it. Yeah. What would be lovely to see you making new memories of brand new mod doc with the cult on with DF? Yeah. I mean, listen, you know, we've all got a dream. We've all got a dream. Is that, I mean, really, still, you've got anything else, a future I'm talking about now, obviously, ahead. Is that an ambition of yours? Because I remember speaking to you, the Finch farm, before Wayne came back, I wanted to, because you told us when you were done with it. Yeah, it was definitely done with it. Did you test them on earlier? Did you test them on earlier? Did you test them on earlier? We had to check them out later. I said, you what? We had to check them out later. You must thank me for that, have you? I didn't know we could do that. You did tell us, every day you spoke to him, he was coming back. And we got them back to that, and we got them back to that as well. He was back for a test them all, and he was like that. I told yous a bit. You did tell us about. But I remember asking you then about, is one day you're going to manage everything. You were a little bit like, well, I'm just doing this coaching now. I think you're always worried to say that, you know, you should, of course, it's your dream to manage everything. Oh, without the shadow. I still want to play for it. I still want to play for it. You told me you were a good player. You told me Baz was better. He was better than me. I've got no problem saying that. I know he was better than me. I mean, I've never heard them. So now I'm going to start crying, though. It's everybody's dream. I've got to play. My dream is to play for it. It's everybody's dream. Can we form it on for four? It's team. And I've done it. I'm nearly 50. Say mate, it's me, and I'm not saying I'm nearly 50. So can we have a walking football on? That'll be all right. No, but. So yeah, look, look. Everybody's dream, it's dream to manage heaven. I'm one of the guys who dreams of managing heaven. But I'm also realistic. I also understand that heaven's a massive club and we want the best managers in the world to manage heaven. So you know, so realistically, we make one of manager, we experience, we make one of managers, one thing, and of course until I become a manager, I'm not that man, am I? So there's always that against you. Some of the lowest of it against you, he's no good at experience to be a manager. And you've got your hands up and say, well, off me. Although other managers have got big jobs, being no being. So that ambition is there? The ambition is still there. But I like to progress my career. I like to move on, we've been a first team coach to being maybe an assistant manager and build myself up that way. Or become a manager. But of course, we love the club so much. I'm at heaven. It becomes very difficult for me then to say, you know, right, that's it. I'm going to go and look for a job. I'm going to go and, because I've never done it. I cannot see myself not at heaven. I suppose, and also that, you know, you're part of a coaching staff now and we all want it to be successful. Because you'll never limit just as much as whatever. And we take it from there, don't we? But we can say it as fans that one day would be great to see Duncan Ferguson as heaven manager to be. It'd be lovely to see. So who knows, who knows what the future holds. I would just love us to go and get a trophy. My God, come on. That won't be great this year. You know what I mean? Let's get ourselves up the league and let's get this wee cup run going on. We can be at Wembley, can't we? We're in the quarterfinal, aren't we? I might get the middle pattern back out. I'm all quite sure I can pull it off now, like. I remember after we won the FA Cup, you went to the meal on the night when you killed him. So you're going to put the kill back on. I still got the kill. I think it was in my neck half the night, no? I've got a picture. I've got a picture of you walking into the room cos my dad was working there. I got married in a kill by the way. Did you have any underneath? Heaven shots. My eldest lad's middle name's Duncan because he's not really into football. I feel like I'm a fanboy in a bit out of a fanboy. Mae'r cwt dapur out, to be honest cos, yeah. Turn the camera off then we'll fanboy. Broad air, listen. Well let me just say one thing. Duncan, I'm sure, will be doing loads more events with Everton in the community soon. So keep your eye out, there's going to be something special coming soon with Duncan in Everton in the community. I don't actually know what it is, but he really doesn't know. We're coming up with ideas. Well we had an idea and I'm not going to say what it is, but we're working on it. We're working on it. So keep your eye out cos it's open for that. Cos it's local for Everton community cos we know how important they are. Don't take so long in the future, they ask me up. You can come in every week. You've had all these top boys up here before me, you know what I mean? I'm getting a bit jealous. On that note, I would like to say a massive thank you to Duncan Fagans. Thank you very much. God bless you boys. God bless you Pead. Thank you. It's been a pleasure. Every time he says my name. Every time. Absolutely super. Thanks for watching. Make sure you subscribe. Give the video a thumbs up. And we'll see you soon on Trocky TV.