 I'm going to start by calling this meeting to water. We have five members of the board here. We have one application before this board tonight, which is Town Fair Tire Center. Town Fair Center, excuse me, Inc. And we have at least two parties here. I'd just like to start by introductions are simple because everybody's name is on the screen. Thank you. It's set for Carla, who's honest by telephone. That's Carl and Louisa, who's the vice chair. I'm here now. You are. There you are. Sort of. There is there is someone with a 203 phone number. Who's the 203 phone number? That's Ralph Lowe. OK, Ralph, thank you. I'm the attorney for Town Fair from Connecticut. OK, thank you. Hello, Ralph. So what we do is is start off by asking. Well, I'm going to ask if anybody here wants to receive party status in this application. And that would be Chuck here on mute. And party status means you seeking party status simply means that you want to be able to testify tonight and then you may want to appeal a decision of the board in the future date if you if you disagree with the board's decision. And yes, the answer would be yes. The answer is yes. OK. So I'm going to square in everybody intends to give test. Paula, do you have a word to say? No, I'm just leaning my head on my hand because it's been a long day. I'm going to ask I'm going to ask everybody that intends to give testimony before this board tonight to please raise your right hand. John, are you giving testimony? Brian, John. Chuck, are you going to give testimony? Those intends to give testimony swear to tell the truth, nothing but the truth matters before this board tonight under penalties of purchase. I do. Why is it affirmative for Mark? Brian. I do. Chuck. Yes. I think it's an I do. John. I do. I do. OK. Thank you. So I gather that Brian, you'll be doing the presentation. Is that correct, John? Yeah, correct. Why don't you do us a favor and you've been here through this before. Give us an overview of the project. We'll allow board members to ask questions after your overview with the intent of going through the specific criteria afterwards. And then we will allow any interested parties to also ask questions after your presentation. Yeah, absolutely. Thanks, Bob. Before I get started, can I share plans on the screen? Oh, yeah, it looks like that's available. So let me just bring up a site plan while I'm talking. So the project is at 1239 US route 302. So the project location is currently the site of the Steakhouse restaurant. So it's located between the Connor Brothers office building, which most people know is the old Harry's building and the Granite Group plumbing supply store on route 302. This is a map of the existing conditions on the site just so everyone can get oriented. This building here is the existing Steakhouse restaurant and sign. And to the rear of the lot is an existing single family residence. The proposal is to demolish both of these buildings and construct a new 7,270 square foot town fair tire center, which is a retail tire sales and they also demolish the entire installation at the location. Currently, the project property is two parcels. There's a property line in this location. As part of the project, that property line will be dissolved. So going forward and in the application when we reference anything about the property, we're referencing the two lots as if they were merged together. This is the proposed site plan. So this will be the town fair tire center building. Here's where Brian. Excuse me, Brian. I just wanted to know which two lots were being combined. Oh, sure. So as it stands right now, the Steakhouse is on one property, single family residence is on another property. They're under common ownership by Steakhouse Inc. at the moment. So this double dash line that runs north to south more or less and then east to west more or less is the current property boundary that will be dissolved as part of the project. Thank you. Sure. So this is the proposed site plan. This gray rectangle here is the proposed town fair tire center building. There's parking to the front side and rear of the building. There are, we're proposing to maintain the current two curb cuts on the lot. And this is a little bit different than what we present in the application. As we went through the process with VTrans to get our letter of intent for the work that we need, for both the modifications to the access and the other work that needs to happen in the VTrans right of way, VTrans asked us if we would be willing to work with the Connor Brothers to close their existing one-way exit from their parking lot and allow them to then use the northerly curb cut on the town fair tire center property, well, the steakhouse property. And so they approve the closing of this curb cut and the use of the northerly curb cut as a two-way entrance as part of the access and work permit review. And they approve that in the letter of intent that we submitted the application. So that's a little different than what's presented in the application materials. We were originally trying to design this as a one-way in only and a slightly smaller. So this access is slightly larger than what we reference in the application in the letter, and it's now a two-way access. There's the proposed loading area on the north side of the building here. Tire deliveries would come in the northerly curb cut, circulate around a drive that goes up the back terrace where the single-family residence currently is, and then come back out this driveway on the south side is shared with the property to the southwest here, the builder specialties building. And we are proposing site lighting and landscaping, but I think we could probably talk more in detail about those kinds of things as we start going through the regulations. So I'll stop talking for a minute and give the board a chance to ask any general questions. Polly? Question. Is there somebody currently living in the residence? I am not completely certain whether there's someone currently living in the residence or not. Right now, the property is still under contract to Town Fair Tire, so they're not currently in controls what's happening on the property. I believe there is people living there. So what happens to them? I mean, we're proposing to demolish the residence as part of the project. So if there is someone living there, then they will have to live somewhere else. Other questions by board members? I know you're going to go over this in more detail, but I'm kind of confused about the entrance and the egress, like how you explore traffic will work, because it seems really unusual to me. So is there only one entrance? No, there's two entrances. So there's currently two curb cuts. So I can show it probably. This has all the piping on it, so it's a little hard to see, but let me see if I can. Well, I'm familiar with what it looks like now, but I don't know, we can wait till you go through the criteria. That's fine. I think that's a good question, Carl. I have the same question. I think a lot of the other questions will not be answered. What I'm lacking is information on traffic circulation. Yeah, I think Carl is asking also. Yeah, me too. So if you would explain clearly to us how you and the state have arrived at traffic circulation and specifically as it affects adjoining properties too. OK, so it's a bit of a complicated situation to begin with. And this approach that we've developed in consultation with the trans is what we feel is the best option to sort of consolidate accesses and help eliminate traffic conflicts to the maximum extent possible. So the northerly curb cut is going to be the main entrance for tire deliveries because the loading zone is here. We expect to have about one tire delivery per day. And so that's going to be the main entrance for that. Then like I said, we expect trucks to circulate around this loop around the back because it's to come through this southerly portion down down here. So they would come around the back and come then straight out this entrance and head back to the highway. Otherwise, both entrances are going to be open for two-way vehicle traffic. And that is partly because there's a, you know, this pavement area between the Steakhouse lot and the Connor lot is currently just an open paved area. So in order, and this was part of an agreement that the Connor brothers made with VTrans as part of their access and work permit was that if this site was ever redeveloped and they were given permission to use this access on their site, that they sign in agreement with VTrans, that they would close their current access and then use this as their southerly access. Now, I don't know that everyone I'm not expecting that everyone from the Connor lot will come out at this location because it's probably a lot easier, especially if you're turning left to go back to the north and out at the stoplight at the intersection by the Burger King and all of that. The southerly curb cut needs to also remain open in two way, partly because there is the existing drive that goes up to the builder specialty building in the rear. And this is a significantly higher elevation than our lot down here. So if people aren't familiar with it, this goes up relatively steeply all along to get access to the kind of the upper terrace back here. We're currently the single family residence and the builder specialty lot is located. So we need to maintain this access in order to, one, get trucks to circulate around the site and two, to allow and maintain the legal access to the budding property to the southwest. I, you know, just giving the location of the sign, which is up at the northerly access, I imagine most of the car traffic is probably going to enter from the north as well. But they could enter from the south if they wanted to. All the parking lots are designed for two way circulation. We're expecting that the majority of customers are going to kind of park out in the front parking lot. You know, if that gets filled up, they'll start parking the side parking lot. And the spaces around the back here are more for, you know, vehicles that need to be moved around where they're waiting for service and getting tires changed and things like that. Remember seeing a do not enter sign. Where was that located? Yeah, there's an existing, there's an existing do not enter sign at the at the corner. OK, what? Because this is exit only right now, but this is going to be closed. So this won't, this will become an island. So this this area with the little grass hatching here becomes a grass island. And it's a bit of a funny shape because we need to maintain this existing catch basin. But this will become a curved island and the current exit here is will be closed. So the the you talk about a saw cut pavement along the property line. But as I understand it, that's just going to be all pavement between the new building and the existing corner building. Is that correct? Right. So the saw cut is just an indication for the contractor of where they stop leaving because that is the extent of property. So that's simply for the resurfacing. Is that correct? That's right. So it's currently it's currently just paved from all the way from the steakhouse building to the corner building, and that will be maintained in the proposed development. So it'd be kind of free flow between the corner building and the steakhouse, which there is now. There's no restrictions to vehicles. It's I thought when I read was this was a truck entrance only. Yeah. So that's that's what changed between the time we submitted the application and then when we got the approval from VTrans. So that was our original conception was to have a truck entrance only. And this that was to minimize conflicts with the existing exit out of the corner lot. But then VTrans, after we applied for our high access and work permit, they then supplied the agreement they had with Connor, which they hadn't provided to us before. And so that changed where we were headed with the design. So, you know, in consultation with VTrans, we feel that it's better to close this access and and provide the access, consolidate the access between the two lots at this location rather than trying to have a one way access which we needed for truck circulation and a one way out access right next to each other. So traffic has to cross in front of incoming traffic. And in essence, it's a shared parking lot then. It's I mean, there won't be rights to share parking from one to the other. So the intent is not for it to be shared parking, even though it's, you know, the access is available there. There are some existing parking spaces along this area of the corner lot, which would then need some room back here to be able to maneuver to get out. Brian, have you, Brian, have you had any consultation with Connor to striping that lot to basically show a drive way for folks to exit that lot? Like right now, it's pretty Wild West if you can cross anywhere, right? So was there any thought given to that or barriers or something? Yeah, unfortunately, putting up barriers is not really feasible because we either be blocking the access from the spaces that are backing out from Connor or, you know, if we tried to put some sort of island along here, you know, we'd start pinching in our loading zone. She's really only, you know, 10 feet from the property line over here. So we weren't really able to be put a barrier between the two lots without altering the function of the existing parking along here, which the Connor brothers expressed interest in keeping. I think we could propose some striping, you know, particularly over in this area because the intent is for folks from the coming over here is to come down, you know, either come down through this aisle or come over to this location and then cross over to the to the exit. So, you know, we could look at some more control in that area like striping and potentially a stop sign that's facing in towards the Connor lot. Might provide a little more control. And then that'll beg the question who who maintains that striping, but is it Connor or is it you guys? Well, what what what do you and the Connor brothers vision will be happening here that will there be traffic coming in here, you think or leaving here? I mean, it's open now. Best of my knowledge is very little exchange between the current parking there and the Connor parking. Yeah, I mean, there's there's really no we're not envisioning any kind of common use between the two lots. There's no real reason that anyone would be, you know, accessing the state offices and doctors offices and things that are in the Connor building and and also intending to access town for a tire. I mean, I'm sure it'll happen sometimes, but I don't think it's going to be a very common occurrence. I also think the sort of peak uses of these two are going to be offset a little bit. You know, you'll have folks that are coming in at work time, but, you know, you kind of picture a tire place peak tire season, people are showing up there kind of before work and after work are really the sort of peak times that you're having people show up here. And then otherwise, they're kind of scattered throughout the day as folks show up to, you know, purchase new tires or something like that. So these are two uncontrolled access points. I'll tell you what, we do have a criteria on access to traffic circulation. I would ask everybody to think about what we just heard and save the specific questions for when we get to that criteria. We've covered a lot of it already, but I think I'd like to go over one more time because I really I'm uncomfortable with it, I'll be honest with you. So I'd like to go over in more detail when we get to traffic circulation and access. Were there other general questions about the use or features of this property? No, I have a question. Is it basically just people buying tires and getting tires changed or repaired? There are no other services. Right. So a town fair tire doesn't provide general car repair service. The service days are only used for tire related things, tire changeovers, balancing alignments, that thing. But they're not they're not like changing oil or, you know, replacing or things like that. I want to correct you on this site. We are going to do do breaks and limited oil changes on here. Oh, thank you, John. Which which raises a question in my mind, but I'm going to save it for traffic circulation and access, which we it's about where your service doors are. But we'll go over that when we get there. Yeah, OK. OK, I don't want to dwell on too much here and then not having the right place when we put together our findings, if you will, we have some extra parties. Did you have some questions? I'm not seeing them on my screen, Tom. Can you hear me? Who's state your name? Who's the CEO? Can you hear me? Yes, I can hear you. OK. Do you have a question? Well, the word is what's called New England Label Road now, which is the access to my property, which is where Builder Specialty is. Is that road going to be upgraded, changed? And also Builder Specialty does get tractor trailers up there. As of now, we kind of pull into they kind of pull into that to the residence lot there, which is more like a parking lot than a driveway and back into the loading docks. Will that still be allowed or? Yeah, we're not going to change that. The road will be upgraded. OK. Snow removal, I guess. You've kind of boxed that building in there with little place to put snow. Well, we're going to handle the snow plowing and we have a snow storage up on top, right, Brian? Yeah, either up on top or we're proposing snow storage in these back parking spaces here. So if it gets to be too much that it can't kind of be pushed off the back back here, then it can be stored in some of these parking spaces back here and then move from the site. OK, a lot of this covered under the specific criteria. I think this is an opportunity to sort of get a better idea of the general picture. Excuse me, Bob. Yes, we've had somebody, JB, now a ten, I'm just trying to figure out who JB is. JB, can you hear him? I don't know who they are. Probably wrong, wrong telephone number. OK. Unless there's additional general questions, I'm going to move through to the criteria. Now, Brian, we do have a narrative from Brian on this general criteria. And what I'd like to do is sort of go over that. Have you paraphrased that or covered that for us again? Because I have a sense that from your initial narrative, things may have changed a little bit. Brian, you're on. Sure. With the site plan standards? Yeah. Great. So the first is parking and loading areas. We're required to have at least 25 parking spaces on the site at one per 300 square feet of gross floor area for high turnover retail and not more than 50. So we're proposing 48 parking spaces, and that's what's shown on the site plan. There's been no change to that since since we did the narrative. I think most Vermonters can understand that you need a little bit more parking at a tire store in Vermont that you might otherwise at a different kind of retail store so you can accommodate folks during the peak tire change over seasons, as well as needing some additional parking space for maneuvering cars in and out of the service space and such when they're when they're being worked on. They're all perpendicular parking. They're all 918 spaces. They all have 24 foot aisles. We have two accessible spaces right here up in the front of the building. Accessible way along this sidewalk right in front of the building. And then as I stated before, we've got a 12 by 50 foot loading zone on the north side of the building here. Generally, they're just loading directly off the truck through a door into the building. So there's no loading dock or anything like that. And then there's also up here on the upper platform in the area to store used tires for collection. So when the tire collection and recycling truck comes along, they come up on the back and back up to the tire storage area and then back out around the building. We are proposing snow storage, which I think inadvertently got left off of this version of the plans. But these 13 parking spaces behind the building as noted in the narrative is where we're proposing snow storage for times when we don't have enough in our little kind of islands around and up around the back. And even if all 13 of these are used for snow storage, there's still 35 parking spaces available, which exceeds the minimum requirement of 25. Any questions on parking and loading or shall I move on? A question by members of the board. I have a question. Yes, Polly. Do you have any electrical or are you planning any electrical vehicle recharging stations? We're not currently planning them. I don't think we've been through the process with Division of Fire Safety. And I'm not familiar enough with their requirements to know whether they're now required under the energy codes. We may we may end up with one or two, but we're not currently planning them. That seems to be the direction things are going. I'm assuming most of this is short term parking. Yeah, we're not expecting. I mean, anyone who stays for a while is getting their tires on or off, which means they're not going to be able to utilize the electric charging stations anyway. Excuse me, Bob. Yes, John, in our earlier conversations with Brian and I, you and I met and you're on mute, John. We talked about the town has a need for tire disposal. And I think at that time you offered that the town could dispose of some of their tires. I just want to make sure that you're still that mindset. Yeah, we can definitely, you know, accommodate that. OK, thank you. Chuck, did you have any questions? On this criteria? Employee parking. Is that going to be part of those? Oh, yes. Thank you, Chuck. You reminded me. Employee parking is intended to be up in the gravel lot on the the upper kind of terrace behind the building. And that's that's included in the forty eight parking spaces. OK, the only other question I have is usually during, you know, the first snowstorm of the year. There's a thousand cars around all over the place. I just need to make sure they're not going to block New England Drive. Yeah, a town fair tire is going to manage the car parking in the peak seasons. As I'm sure they're well used to doing. But yeah, we're not no, we will not block any drives or, you know, be parking cars on any one else's lot. Tire season. Tire season. The parking on the that's currently exists by the corner building, will that be restricted to the corner building? We we don't have any agreement with them to use it. I don't know if we will end up with an informal agreement, but there is no. You know, there's no there's no. The project doesn't rely on it, certainly. And if the Connors wish to restrict it, then we won't certainly use it. Thank you. Any other questions by members of the board or extra parties? If not, we'll move on to access and circulation. Great, I think I've described it to the access and circulation. This is kind of the major change from what we had submitted. And I think we've been through that just to hit a couple other of the highlights. We are providing bicycle racks at the end of the sidewalk here. Like I said, we have received our letter intent from these brands. So in terms of pedestrian circulation, as required by the zoning regulations, we are proposing a sidewalk along the front edge. It's it's within the route 302 right of way, which was something that we discussed with me trans and they were OK with as some of the folks on the board and I'm sure Tom obviously knows we have executed a maintenance agreement with the town so that town for a tire will be responsible for maintaining the the sidewalk out in front of the building. Otherwise, there's some sidewalks provided along the south and east sides of the building here that are intended to just get people safely from the parking areas into the building. And I sent that executed sidewalk agreement out to the board this morning. Was that a typo that it's with the state of Connecticut? No, Connecticut is we're a town for a tire. Their corporate offices are located. Yeah, but it doesn't have any responsibility. No, no, that's just that's just identifying the parties. OK. Up there. Let's see, you're you're talking about. This section right here, Town for Tire Center's in Connecticut Corporation, East Haven and County New Haven State of Connecticut. Yeah, that's just identifying town for just a corporate office location. Polly. Yeah. Well, I already said it's Connecticut for OK. Well, it just reads funny. That's OK. I didn't know if it was a typo. Show me there's going to be there's going to be tire service. And according to John, there's going to be other service offered at this facility besides the sales. Where are the entrances to the building? So there's the main, you know, customer entrance in the center of the front of the building. There's the loading door on the north side of the building. And then there are, I think, five. Or maybe six bay doors along the back into the service space. So the retail portion of the building is in. And the service is are in the back. OK, that's not shown anywhere. You don't have architectural plans to show that. No, I don't think we submitted architectural plans. But essentially, this concrete apron and the ballards are delineating where each of the service doors are. OK. In the depths of the base, you can see is there's I don't have a cursor, but you'll see where it says five foot wide concrete. That line is the division, I believe, is where the debate, the base end of the retail starts. Yes, I mean, roughly like a third of the back of the building or so. Yeah. So all vehicles, all vehicles requiring service will go around the backside and enter one of those doors. Yeah. So what basically happens is that they'll the customer will park in front. They'll come to the front counter. They'll meet the meet the salesperson. The salesperson will walk out to their car, you know, see what they need for for tires. And then they go back in, do the proper paperwork. And then our employee takes the car from the front to the back and puts it in into the bay or into a waiting stall to go into a bay. And then once the car is done, we bring the car back out front. The customer takes the car and they exit. So there's the very little circulation, you know, that just really more to come in and park. And then we handle most of the circulation from there. And I'd like to talk about the two the two curb cuts, the existing curb cuts. Currently, you know, what we'll talk about the suddenly one right now it's 40 foot wide and there's no division between the the rare access and the Steakhouse. So we've reduced that to the width of the current easement that 40 foot down to 24. And that's why you see that little small curb cut off the access road. And the one nor do Lee is about 40 foot plus wide. And that's being reduced also to 24 foot to be more defined. So there's definitely a positive to the to the two curb cuts being more more defined and more control. And that was outlined in the letter of intent from VTrans. Yeah, I just was a little confused by truck traffic lonely type thing. So there will be no signs restricting traffic at either entrance. Interference is a big billable to employees, as well as anybody else arise as a right enter there and exit there. So right. And that that was that that was a change from what we originally submitted based on our, you know, the suggestion of the trans and then our, you know, negotiations and response to comments through the through the access and work permit process. There was some discussion about a stop sign on the corner side of of the and and and also maybe some striping to try to track. Yeah, I think we can just put a stop bar and a stop sign right either on our property line. So we maintain it and I think it could really if I could just make a quick illustration of, you know, it could really be as simple as putting in a stop bar at this location along with a stop sign and then a couple of arrows, you know, and these would probably end up on the Connor property just because of the way this site lays out an indication and that will help direct. I guess this one would go over here, but, you know, that would help direct folks to come here and then stop, make sure no one's coming in and then queue up to leave out of that access. And I don't know really that there's going to be a huge amount of traffic coming from the con a lot to here. You know, I currently do see people crossing and coming out here, but the majority of people tend to go the other way. Like I said, if they're turning left, I think, you know, who are familiar with the area generally know it's it's a lot easier to turn left up at the stop, stop light that they have access to through the corner lot. And Brian, Brian, I'd make a suggestion to you that you only have one arrow on the corner lot coming out because as that's the way traffic comes now, that's what way people are used to the idea. That's a good idea. I try to discourage the other arrow from people going into the corner lot. Your left that era, I would eliminate. I guess that's fine in terms of the painting, in terms of the agreement that Connor executed with VTrans, the agreement covers two way traffic. So we can't even if we only put one arrow or, you know, put any arrows, we can't restrict the traffic. I understand, but I speak from personal knowledge. My wife works at that building, Connor building, and there is a good bit of traffic coming out of that way, especially folks who live in Barry, right? I know this is contrary to the intent of I know you want the traffic to flow, but I feel like if they had to go up, if you couldn't just fly out of there in a straight line, if you had to actually go right and then go out, like if the barrier that's there stayed there, I don't know, I feel like that would be safer. Again, the removal of this island and creating a lane that comes out of the corner is it was all conditions of the agreement that car made with VTrans. And this portion of the work is not our property. So we're not entirely in control of what happens there. So this was after negotiation with the trans and the brothers, what was eventually come to us and the best option and also the one that follows that existing agreement. And I like John's idea about putting as much of that infrastructure on on town fair property so you can maintain as part of this permit. The southern exit from the parking area to the exit road, if you will, probably needs some kind of control. Do you have anything planned there, Brian? As we you have people going around, you have people coming down to the other property, there needs to be a stop sign and stop bar there, I think. Yeah, well, that's I, John, you can correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't think that's any issue. We're not you can put it almost, you know, right as you go coming out. Yes, that yeah, right there. So similarly, we can just something that warns people left and right, you know, yep, yep. There's not a stoplight at that where that road. No, no, right. No, they're they're currently uncontrolled access and they'll be the way in the proposed condition. There are merge lanes, which Vermont is don't know how to use and a bike lane. And I just a note that, you know, a town fair tire and I guess a tire store, they're low tripped generators, you know, except for, you know, a snowstorm. But yeah, I mean, on an average basis, you know, we we didn't present this because traffic is a part of conditionally talking about site playing here. But when we looked at the trip between the existing restaurant and the proposed tire store, and it's actually a significant reduction in traffic during peak hours on the adjacent street. So you're you're 46 p.m. kind of time frame. You refer to memorandum by your traffic consultant. I did not see it. No, we don't we don't we don't have a memorandum from the traffic consultant. I'm just saying the wolf looked at the trip generation just to understand what it was. And again, we didn't present this as part of the application because the traffic isn't is a conditionally but just to to follow on with John's and we actually expect that there'll be less traffic from this site when it's developed as a tire store during peak hours than the restaurant after COVID. Sure, you know, this is all average normal situation stuff, right? Whatever that is. Yeah, we'll have to write a new book, I guess. I think I'd like to see control from this access here onto the south exit entrance. Probably is more probably warranted. Although I don't think you anticipate certainly don't participate trucks coming down the hill and exiting there, but you might have other traffic that's going around the back. In other words, vehicles leaving the service area in the back are going to go where? They'll be returned to the customer parking area in the front. The customer can come back out of the store and pick their car up similar to most tire stores or... So the traffic presumably would could go either direction and vehicles leaving on the north exit leaving via the north exit from the front parking area probably ought to have a stop bar to sign there too. That's my opinion. Yeah, again, I think that's, we can accommodate that. Just so that the throughway, if you will, it will have the right of way. Right? It makes sense. I think I've put some of these on the wrong side of the road. My apologies. Yeah, that's okay. You're going to apply. I mean, honestly, it's kind of nice to be able to draw as compared to the way we used to do it. I learned a new trick tonight, Brian. You got to teach me this one after we get done with this. It's a nice little way to do it. Yeah, it's one of those COVID skills that I've developed in the past year. Okay, so we're talking about access to circulation. So your text about the dedicated truck access is no longer accurate. That's right. Okay. Would you do it be a favor and revise that for us? Just so our records, this is the only record we have. I mean, we'll have your testimony today, but we're sort of relying on your text to accept that your text has been changed. I'd like to have a revision of that, please. Sure. Happy to do that. Is that the only real application I found? Yeah, I think that's really the only thing that got changed through the V-Trans process. Yes, Tour. Yes, Tour, please. Now, the daily tire deliveries, are they gonna come again on a full-size trailer or something smaller? I think Town Fair Tire has a variety of trucks in their fleet. I think most of the time it's gonna be coming in in a box truck. There may be occasional tractor trailer deliveries. But that's why we have the circulation around the back to accommodate the size trucks that may show up at the site. Okay. And then the sidewalk maintenance agreement, does that include plowing in the winter? Yes. It's now removable in repair. Okay. And then the traffic light at, they're coming out of the Connors Building and Burger King. Are there gonna have to be any changes made to the time where the signals are here? No. I think that traffic impacts would be less with this development as compared to the Steakhouse, so there wouldn't really be any reason to adjust the timing. I mean, at lunchtime, V-Trans didn't recommend it or... We got the medical officers leaving, you got Burger King full, and then you probably gonna have more people picking up the cars at lunchtime, all trying to squeeze a left turn out of there. I don't see how it's gonna... And the Steakhouse is currently closed, or previously was closed at lunchtime. So I don't see how that's gonna be less during the daytime working hours. I'd like to bring up one thing. We do a lot of buy appointment, and we've been really over the last few years really doing buy appointment. So it is pretty... There's no like rush at 12 o'clock or it's... Give everybody a point when you come in, get your car and get your tires put on and then you leave. So we try to stage those appointments, so the wait time is low. And I should clarify, when I'm talking about traffic impacts, and I'm talking about them in the way that traffic engineers typically look at them, that there's references for that statistical study of traffic impacts. And generally what you look at is you look at the peak hour in the afternoon of traffic on adjacent streets, because that's generally one of the biggest impact is. So that when they're retiming lights, that's the kind of information they're looking at. So that's when I say less traffic, it's not in every situation all the time, but in a statistically significant way that we can look at and compare traffic across developments and between developments, then we would expect it to be less. And just quickly, what is the estimated number of employees you expect to have? It's 12 to 15, right, John? All together? Yeah. Okay, thank you. I'll ride your bikes there, Paulie. Actually. My bike on that road. Well, that brings up a question of mine is those people who do park back there, how did they access the building? Please, we expect they'd be coming at low traffic times of the day. So they would walk back down the access road and probably to the side door here to open up the building for the day or close it tonight. And you were saying that's a fairly steep. I was just thinking, you know, there's snow storage there, so they certainly couldn't cut across. And then fairly steep road. The roads are maxed out at 10%. So that's a steep road, but it's not unreasonably steep. Yeah, that must be it. Okay, move as long as there are additional questions on access and circulation at this time. Landscaping and screening. All right. To hear our landscaping plan. Because this is a redevelopment of an existing commercial site, we've designed the landscaping as a best fit as allowed under section 3204B of the zoning regulation. And the reason why is a lot because, you know, as you may be familiar out behind the steakhouse, there's an existing steep bank. And then it continues to go up relatively steeply, except for the flat areas that have been flattened out for the drive up here to the back. So we're limited into how far we can push the building back into the site without creating a major. Earthwork project and, you know, other kinds of site impacts that are undesirable. So, and then we're also limited to the north and south by the existing development. So the landscape, the intention of the landscaping design is to meet the, the sort of spirit of the landscaping provisions in the regulation. And as much as possible to provide landscaping that provides multiple functions that are referenced in the landscaping portion of the regulations. So we're proposing four trees along the front edge. These are freemen maples. And in here, the multiple functions here are both to break up and soften the views of the parking and the development from the roadway to provide shade for the sidewalk and to provide shade for the front parking area. These are interspersed with some, some low growing shrubs along the front. Then we have two more of the freemen maples in curb islands on the other side of the front parking lot. Again, for the same reasons, provide shade for the sidewalk, provide shade for the parking and, and break up the view of the lot, especially from the front. We have a couple of shrubs here on the island with the Connor lot, just to sort of frame out this entrance nicely. And then we have three large linden trees on the south side that provide some, you know, screening to the side of the building as you're coming north. And again, you know, shading the parking lot and the, the, the sidewalks and things. So that's kind of where we were headed with the landscaping. You know, it wouldn't, it really wouldn't be possible to meet the letter of the, of the landscape regulation on, on this site. So that's, that's how we've designed our landscaping here. And then the dumpster entire storage area back here will have a screening, a chain link screening fence with privacy slats for screening. I should also mention that the, the topography and the proposed development, which isn't really any more intense than the existing development and also is, you know, well within all the dimensional standards of the district. So that's, that's how we've designed our landscaping here. And then the dumpster entire storage area back here, which I also mentioned that there's some significant large trees on the, the higher west end of the property here. So the majority of these trees back here will be maintained. So you'll have the same, like right now, if you look at the lot, kind of have a tree backdrop in the back. So we'll have the same tree backdrop behind the, the building, which will help to kind of reduce the visual scale building and also, you know, maintain the sort of the setting of the lot itself. I have three questions for you, Brian. First of all, those are the three concrete blocks. Behind that back parking. What the heck are those? That's just there to protect the, the very propane tank that's behind it. Okay. That was the next question. That's a propane tank. Is that what it is? Yeah, that's a very propane tank back there. Buried. Yes. Okay. There's nothing on this plans. It says that's a propane thing. Yeah, it's, it's indicated on, on the site plans. So concrete blocks for there. Yeah, I see the concrete blocks. Here propane tank. You're right. It doesn't say buried, but I'm providing testimony that it'll be an underground propane tank. Okay. So the concrete blocks are there to protect the underground tank. Yes. Okay. Okay. Okay. You are removing all that vegetation in the back of the existing building. You're not. Between the stuff that's on the hillside between the steak house and the existing. That's consistent. There's considerable growth there. Pine trees. Yeah. That as you can see, many of those trees are located within the parking area here. So, and then there's going to be significant. The trees are going to be there for the next five months. And then there will be, new plantings in the future. We'll be putting a new planting in there. We weren't proposing plantings in there just because it's behind the building really. Okay. The police chief. Had concern about your plantings in the front. Blocking site distance. Yep. Not too concerned about it just because they're set back from the edge of the traveled way, more than 15 feet. So, if you look in the, this is the maple tree that we're proposing it's kind of got a columnar form and the branches start up high. So, the trunks of the trees are 17 feet back from the edge of the traveled way typically measure site distances 15 feet back. And the rest of the shrubs along the front are quite low so we're not really anticipating any significant impediment to the site distances from those. Well, if you go back to site plan for me. What I was lacking was where is your stop bar to enter onto room 302. Yeah, that I think that also means to be added to the plans, I think it would have to be behind the sidewalk here. So, because I try to figure where where's your stop bar and how does that relate to where the trees are and the bushes are. I see. And I assume there will be a stop sign. Yes, yeah. I don't see a stop sign show. No, you're, you're correct that needs to be added to the plans and certainly we can do that as, you know, condition of approval that we can submit, you know, with the stop bars and signs in the locations that we've discussed. Where would you envision the stop bar could you show me where you see it before the sidewalk or after the sidewalk. Yeah, it's an interesting question. And I'm sure it is before the sidewalk you might not have site distance. Right. After the sidewalk, you might be in the road. Well, the edge of the road is is in here so I think there would be room to put a stop bar past the sidewalk I mean you wouldn't typically want folks stopping on a sidewalk. Before they turn out. If we place the stop bar behind the sidewalk people would have an opportunity to stop. And then in reality could sort of creep forward a little bit more if they needed additional site distance. You know, I think, I think from a safety perspective even if folks were stopping back here so for looking at putting a stop bar behind the sidewalk. You know, if someone could stop at the right of way, and then pull up to the edge of the traveled way and have site distances. That would be better for pedestrians if they stopped before the sidewalk. Sure. Yeah, but if you stopped before the sidewalk, I'm worried about the shrubs on the tree. The shrubs are tall enough to help block view of I'd like to see taller shrubs. Yeah, there's there's there's a lot of things to try and balance on the site. Certainly. Give that some thought and come back to us with a recommendation of where the stop bar would be I think we want to stop sign and stop bar. I would recommend that it went behind a sidewalk and then you know we could relocate this tree. A little bit further away from very first one. Yeah, this tree. You know, if we sort of slid this whole row of three down a little bit, and we can clear out some more space for site distance there. But on the south end of that island is in fact pulled back. Yeah, and that's because we have the pile on sign for the. Here at this location, and then these these boxes here are the storm water treatment filters. So they have plantings in them. But these are the location of these are kind of set by needing to get the drainage in along her blind. So I think what we could do is we could pull these three trees further to the south, so that we open up some more site distance looking south from this location. That makes some sense to me. You have the shrub up there but with the tree further down. I think Brian. Plus it would give you more shading on your parking spaces. Can I get a question in. Yes, please. So builder specialty isn't allowed to put a sign down next to the road. Something Berlin doesn't allow or the state doesn't allow or something. So the only sign that he can have is on the side of the building, which is visible from 302. But I'm worried about those trees being next to New England label lane, the one especially on the corner there and those I don't know how tall those ones are going to be next to it, but blocking the site view to his sign. I, not familiar with you have a sign down there. There isn't. Builder specialty I guess is not allowed to put a sign down next to the road. I guess it's Berlin. A building sign on this building. Is that right? Yes, yes, it's right off the side of an angle so that you can see it from 302. So that's the only visible sign that he can have I guess, according to him and he's he tried to get a sign down next to the road and that wasn't allowed. So the trees that you have along the shared road, which is New England label road. I'm just, I just would like to make sure that they don't block the site to his sign either. For me, it doesn't make sense why he can't have a sign down at the end on 302. I think he'd have to be off property Tom. No, I'm saying so he'd have to work out that arrangement with that property owner. If that property owner already has an existing sign, then that's not possible. State does not allow. I could be wrong. State does not allow an off property sign period. I believe that's what he ran into when he tried to put the down there earlier. I say loud to do it. So that's a state thing, not a town. State law. It would be off property because he doesn't know any property down there. Right, we can, we can eliminate those three trees so it doesn't block it. No, thank you. Well, if they're short enough, it won't bother. Yeah, I'm talking about the three trees on the side of the easement. The three trees and then maybe the one right there, right on that, right where your cursor is. This one next to the road. Yeah, where that right by the sort by the drain there. This one. Yeah. I don't know how high they will become so that they might possibly block his where's the site where's the sign you're referring to upon the building. It's up on the building upon building specialty building. That's a far away to see that side. But you can see it. You can see it from the road. Fine. It's just, it's the only way anyone knows he's there. Most people don't even know that building is there. I don't think I don't think the solution is to eliminate this landscaping. No, but maybe maybe change the trees. Maybe you can show an elevation of up to the, and that the trees don't block it. Tommy thoughts. I don't know. Again, I, I, the landscape plan is, here's is minimal at best and to eliminate anything that I think would be detrimental to this, to this project. Well, isn't the building up on up on a slope. So it is higher, right. It is, it is. So maybe if they're, you know, the trees aren't too tall, you can still have the trees, but they won't block the side. That can show that. But if you're on the road, you don't have that site distance, you're, you're being blocked. So even if they're, if even if they're eight feet tall, you've now blocked the vision out of a vehicle to see the sign. Is that a retail location? Yes. Yeah, he does some retail stuff up there. I didn't even think it was a retail shop anymore. I thought he just did. Anyway, he does kitchens. I mean, it's not like there's a lot of traffic, but it's his only, even if he's trying to tell somebody where it is, it's only, he has a showroom and all that there. So he does, he does have customers there. My only other question is the tire storage. Is that covered? Yeah. The, the, the use tire storage is that covered? Yes, we provide similar to a to a carport with, but it has covered slatted cover slats around the side. Okay, I was just kind of worried about the water and tires and bugs and stuff like that, depending on how long they sit there. No, we, we, we roof put a roof over them. You've been doing that for a while. Yeah, there's nothing on these plans that indicates there's a roof there. Brian. Yeah. No, I don't know that I, when we submitted the application and don't know that I was aware that that was a roof structure. So what is it just a, like a shed type roof. Gable type. Gable type. Yeah. Okay. How high would that be? It sits at its highest point, probably nine feet. And, and, you know, the peak and then the, the eave walls are like seven feet. Okay, there's no side walls. But it's not like that. Right. We're not going to change that. Like chain link with slats. Right. Or I stock, he'd them cover it with stock, a defense, but typically chain link with slats. Yes. Any other comments with regard to landscaping and screening. Okay, let's proceed without door lighting. So. Outdoor league includes six pullup lights. So there are two in the front parking. up by the tire storage area and eight building mounted lights of two on each face of the building. The pole heights are proposed to be mounted at 18 feet above grade and the building lights are proposed to be mounted at 16 feet above grade. They're all LED fixtures, downcasts, fully cut off optics. You're probably familiar with this light fixture. I've seen it going in a lot of developments this beacon viper. And then this cut off wall pack is a light fixture proposed for on the building. So we're in lighting zone two and all the outdoor lights are class two lighting for lighting up parking lots and walkways. Average relation on site is 1.4 foot candles and we've got a typical max to man and average to man or average to max ratios. So we've got good uniformity. Lightings proposed to be controlled with a timer so that it can be shut off at the appropriate times based on the zoning regulations. And then we would propose the two pole lights adjacent to us 30 or two would shut off 30 minutes after business. And then the remaining lights would dim to 50% from 30 minutes after business to 11pm. We did also receive a request from the chief of police in his review of the project to install motion sensors on the lights so that if there's activity on the property overnight that it's easier for the police to see. So time for the tire would be willing to install motion sensors on the lights if the the board sees fit. So you'll be adding motion sensors? So it was a recommendation from the police chief and if the board finds that acceptable then we would like to add motion sensors. I think it makes sense especially in the back of the building those lights back there and with storages I would think you would want them to become activated. Still being on timer but you'd be putting most sensors on. Right so if there's activity on the site after 11pm when the lights are completely off or likely in the period when they dim 50% if they're if there's motion sensors they'd come up to brightness so that you know one discourages activity and two allows law enforcement to see what's happening back there. I was uncertain why you were dimming the lights 50% I didn't understand the logic for that. I mean it's I think there was a section in the the regs that may have recommended that but it's um it's a typical thing that happens with commercial developments I've seen it a lot now so there is some light still but it's less um it's less lit up when the building's not closed or not open I'm sorry when the store is not open um so it's sort of splitting the difference between having some security lighting during the time when folks are you know most likely to be around and active and not having full blown lights on until late in the night. Well if you put a motion sensor on it you wouldn't need to 50% you'd have. Yeah that's true it can it can sometimes be a little um more annoying for the lights to go from off to on if the motion sensor gets tripped and if they go from 50% to all the way on um it's not as much of a concern here because you know that's if you have residential neighbors or something. Yeah I don't have a problem that I just didn't quite understand the logic but I that was also before I understood you didn't have motion sensors with motion sensor I think you now wouldn't have that additional security. Yeah yeah um I mean uh correct me if I'm wrong John but I think you know either operation would would be acceptable if there's an issue. Definitely that's easy enough to accommodate. Thank you. Any other questions or comments on outdoor lighting? I just have a question about the lighted signs. Are they going to be also turned off after hours? We're getting to that right now Paulie. It's the next criteria Paul. Okay well I was just thinking of light but yeah. Yeah no good good point but um I actually had a question to go before that and my question before that um your sign question was uh are we approving the sign question or is Tom Rodowski the zoning administrator approving the signs? They've made them as part of this application Paul. Okay so we're reviewing them? Yes. Okay okay anything additional on outdoor lighting? Just curious as to why there's no lighting in those back parking spaces. Seems like uh dark is when people will be using them. Yeah um so this this poll light actually will provide some lighting to these parking spaces back here um so you know again we're trying to not excessively light the um the whole lot if we could avoid doing it. But there will be light back there is what you're saying. But yeah there's a poll light here and that that will provide some light to this this entire area up here. There's also the light between that parking in the building which at 16 feet in elevation will also be providing some lighting back there. Yeah I throw forward throw optics so you might not get a lot out of this one but you know again we just were trying to be sensitive in our light design and not not light up the whole lot if it wasn't necessary. No I think it's a good lighting plan. So Tom since this board has not reviewed a sign under the new sign ordinance yet we're looking for you for guidance on this. I'm sorry Bob I lost my ear buds what did you say? I said this board has never reviewed a sign application under the new zoning ordinance so we're looking for your guidance on signs. So both the wall mounted sign in there ground mounted signs meets the town of Berlin regulations for the commercial district. Thank you. Do anybody have any questions on those two signs? No I just one question was about the lighting of the signs and whether that's going to be turned off at night. Yeah they'll be turned off. John yeah they'll be they'll be turned off you know I guess whenever it what's the is there a condition like 10 o'clock you know in the zoning regulation Brian is there? Yeah I don't I don't recall seeing a restriction on the hours for limited signs. Tom we typically shut them off at 10 o'clock we don't you know we're because we're only open to eight o'clock I believe it's our latest latest night. I would think you'd want to turn them off when you close so people would know your clothes. I think they're representing 10 o'clock. It makes sense I mean they're they're they're not necessarily saying they're open they're saying that's where they are. And it's all by timer you know it's just you know so they can it can be adjusted but it's just easier if all the stores go off at 10 o'clock. All right your testimony is it will go off at 10 o'clock. Thank you. That's both the building sign and the state free standing sign. Correct. Thank you. Any other questions or comments with regard to signs? Performance standards? There's no real impact under the performance standards. It's all standard commercial building systems here. All maintenance of vehicles or performance side all hazardous materials are stored inside. We've talked about the tire storage and and how that you know will be protected from rainfall and runoff and that kind of stuff so we're not anticipating any significant impacts under the performance standards. Now you're going to be doing oil changes? Yes. So where's your oil storage? We put an oil storage tank inside the bay it's usually well it's probably going to be the bay on the right side if you're left side if you're facing in the front and usually you put a 275 gallon tank inside the building that gets comes and gets pumped out when it's full and that's not our main business we're just because we're just trying to be competitive in the area because most you know most of the tire guys around do do some service work and we're just trying to be competitive. That's above ground storage episode? Correct above ground. Any comments or questions on performance standards? The erosion control and stormwater treatment? So we have applied for both construction and erosion control under general permit 390-20 and operational stormwater permit under general permit 390-50. So those applications designed as complete applications are in and we can forward the permits to the to the town when they're issued. And obviously your permit will be conditioned on those. I'm interested however in knowing what your stormwater treatment is if you would give me a rundown. Yeah absolutely. So essentially the the there is a very small increase of impervious between the existing site and the proposed site. In fact we only ended up in jurisdiction the the net increase in pervious is less than 5,000 square feet. But if you count up just you know pervious that's converted to impervious it was around 9,000 square feet so that's where we got into stormwater jurisdiction. Because this site has a direct discharge through closed drainage system to the Stevens branch it's actually exempt under the state stormwater regulations fly control. However V-trans requested that there be no increase in the 10 or the 50 year storm. So those those are the sort of large storm events that we were designing the site to. There'll be two concrete vaults based by our attention filters on the front parking lot. So that drains the front parking lot and then this this one actually drains a significant chunk of this area as well. So those are a proprietary system that's done by contact main. They have a filter media and they have planting in them so it filters the stormwater as well and provides the adequate water quality treatment for the site as well as provides a small amount of retention which is how we're managing our larger storms so that we don't have any increase in in peak discharge. Ryan did you say contact? Who was? Yeah contact. Yeah yeah. So how do you provide retention? So the filters have a little bit of headroom inside them. So there's some retention that happens inside the filters they they fill up and then the stormwater drains out a little more slowly. We only needed a tiny little bit of retention because we were only making a very small increase in impervious over the existing lot. This this is a fairly large amount of impervious area in an area of this town of Berlin where there's a lot of impervious area all of which is not treated. In other words there's almost no retention down here and this is almost no treatment. I'm kind of disappointed the state doesn't require a little bit more than that. I realize you're you're not worsening conditions but there's no opportunity to make improvements to those conditions here. I mean that it is going to be a small improvement over what's there now. It's going to provide some treatment where there's no treatment and there are very small reductions in flows in peak storms but you know without going to a significant underground system there's really no place to put treatment on this site. Everything comes down from the west to the east and then there's significant utility existing underground utilities all along the frontage. There's three sewer lines owned by the town of Berlin. There's the municipal or the state-owned stormwater system you know so without providing a significant underground retention under the parking lot there's there's limited opportunity to do additional stormwater treatment here. The pipe that you're discharging into is that a state-owned pipe or is that a privately owned pipe? So we're discharging at the point where discharging is privately owned it's on the corner a lot and we've obviously talked to them about it in our negotiating the appropriate easements and so forth but then it directly discharges into this catch basin here where it becomes the state-owned system and that was all reviewed by V-Trans as part of the letter of intent process. Do you know where that discharges? Yeah it goes to the north and then based on the mapping that I found it actually goes underneath the little strip building that has like the the pet store and the which store and all that and then directly discharges to the Stevens branch. Yeah so the only treatment detention you provide are those two catch basins there. Yeah will there be actually will it be surcharging into those parking spaces? They have integrated overflow so they have the capacity to pass up to the 10-year storm if the when the storage gets overwhelmed. Where does your flow go to? Into the underground drainage piping. So it's a little hard to see but there's a there's a dual outlet one from an under drain and some of the media and then the overflow pipe to just go directly to this new 15 inch HGP out in front here. Okay thank you. Anybody else have questions on erosion control or stormwater treatment? Mr. Chair I know it's I think Brian's gonna finish his testimony up here. I do want to add that the Berlin Public Works Board has looked at a wastewater allocation here and so there's adequate wastewater allocation from the Berlin Public Works Board and I believe the City Moffillier Service is the potable water here and I believe that they have given an allocation to this project as well. Yes yep. And I would imagine your requirements for water and sewer are actually less than the existing structure. I'm sure yeah it is on wastewater. Yeah I'm sure. Okay I think that's all our criteria. Does anybody have any further comments or questions regarding this application? No. Polly? Yeah well just the fire department made some recommendations. Good morning. They made a recommendation for a fire alarm system and I guess the police made a recommendation for security and video too. Yeah yes we install security and we definitely install fire alarm. Okay. Then fire alarm will be monitored by the department? I don't know if they monitor it but if they do it will be but sometimes it goes to a central station who calls. I don't know how. In other words it's externally monitored. The call goes out from the building. Yeah it'll go out. Somebody don't get the call. Whether it goes direct or through a central station. Can you please provide us with that information where it goes? Yep. Good catch Polly. Any else? I should actually bring up this is related to the to the Connor lot. Fred Connor had put in a letter after having some conversation with Tom regarding the work on on there a lot. You know he's not he's not signed on to this application or anything but has requested a determination that this the work on the Connor lot is is simply following through with a permanent condition as is required by the zoning regulations, a permanent condition from from V-Transon has requested that the Board be determined nation whether an administrative review would be required or not for this the work on the Connor lot. That determination actually will be made by the zoning administrator. And I could do I could do that under a minor site plan amendment Brian. Does he still need to make an application to you Tom? I think so but it's it's again it's a minor. I think you just use these plans and have Connor request it. Okay well if it's determination through Tom then we won't waste the Board's time here and I you know we can communicate with Tom directly. Yeah I don't see this rising to the Board's attention. Am I correct on that Tom? That's correct. All right thank you. Thank you. Is there any further testimony you want to offer tonight Brian? I think that would conclude our testimony for tonight. Any further questions by Board members? Comments by Board members? Questions by interested parties? They still here? Yes they're still yep Chuck's still here. Okay thank you Chuck. Anything any questions friends questions from you? I think I'm all set. Thank you. I would entertain a motion to adjourn or recess. So moved. John. Second. Okay motion been made to close the one portion of this hearing. Is that correct? Get seconded. Any discussion on that motion? All those in favor of that motion please signify by saying aye. Aye. Aye. Carla you with us? Thank you. This hearing is closed. I thank you all for your time. Appreciate it. Board has one other item or two or more items of business here to go through. So after you leave us we have some minutes to review and approve. And I think while we're sort of departing here I'll we'll do the minutes. Tom are you signing everybody out? Well there's still a public part of it. Okay good point good point. Stick around. All right we have the minutes of the meeting of 1117. For a long time we've had a meeting. It really has. I made some edits to those and forward them to everybody. Yep. And Polly also made some edits to those. And I think Christie has incorporated all those edits. In fact in the new findings for that applicant. So I would maintain a motion to approve the minutes subject to those amendments. Okay Polly makes the motion. Is there a second? John? Yes. Second. Tom did you have something? Nope I was just recognizing John. Thank you. Do I see him? He looks familiar. All right all those in favor of that motion please signify by saying aye. Aye. Aye. And the minutes are approved as amended. Thank you. So here's where I would maintain the motion to go to deliver the session. So move to the tour. Tour makes the motion. Carl is seconded. Carl is seconded. All those in favor of that motion to go and deliver the session please signify by saying aye. Aye. Aye. And we will go and deliver the session now thank you. Is everybody else off Tom? Hold on I'm putting them. Orca. I think everybody's back. Okay well do we have any other business come before this board tonight? If not I would maintain a motion to adjourn. So move to the tour. Second. Motion by tour. Second by John. Is there you don't discuss the motion to adjourn. All those in favor of that motion please signify by saying aye. Aye. Aye. Thank you. Have a good evening guys. Thank you. Bye-bye.