 Okay, let's start this webinar. Good morning to everyone. Welcome to this second edition of the cycle of exchange of experiences for family farming. This meeting has some kind of interpretation into Spanish, English, French, Arabic, and Portuguese. Colleagues, just to let you know, we have interpretation services available in five languages, so take the opportunity to use the service. This activity is part of FAO's effort to support the implementation of the United Nations, a decade of family farming at the global level, and will be developed through the regional technical platform on family farming, facilitated by the FAO Regional Office for Latin America and the Caribbean. This is part of a network of global initiative facilitated by FAO in all five regions. This is a family farming specific platform coordinated together with our colleagues from the unit of family farming. The Parliamentary Networks on Communication for Development led by Hillary Meade-Bredge to build opportunities to dialogue and exchange of experiences to promote technical innovations. This series of technical exchange cycles aims at promoting cooperation and the exchange of experiences using as a reference the pillars of the global plan of action of the decade and also the priorities outlined in Latin America and the Caribbean in the charter of Santiago de Chile in 2022. Thus this space will be used to share lessons to learn and challenges phase in the development of family farming rates and they're linked with policies to strengthen the sector around the world. First edition was held for the first time in 2023 around the topic of family farming records which is available on our website where you can also access the recordings of this second cycle of exchange. For the second edition we want to discuss a key aspect related to the strengthening of family farming, facilitating access to markets at value not only the production but also their cultural strength and the diversity of their products which is critical in the different strategies for development and inclusive the rural transformation. Likewise access to markets must be linked to family farmers access to infrastructure technology information communication systems and innovations adapted to enhance their productive capacity. One of the main mechanisms for making this connection is public procurement through programs and policies of direct procurement from family farmers and their organizations states and public entities gain access to healthy nutritious safe unculturally appropriate food while ensuring fair and equitable conditions for producers. So we want to share experiences that will be discussions and reflections on what are the main challenges encountered in making the production of family farming in public procurement mechanisms and discuss examples of solutions and tools that have been developed. For this edition we will build the methodological proposal with our technical teams from the Food and Nutrition Division the ESN and our headquarters as well as our colleagues from PSUF and with a local team led by Pedro Boareto. Importantly the second edition of the exchange cycle is also part of the process leading up to the mid-term forum of the United Nations Decade for Family Farming in 2019-2028 which will take place in October 2024 at Rome headquarters. In doing so they will contribute to enhance the critical debates throughout this year on the policy innovations needed to support family farming today and in the future. The outcomes of the sessions will be presented in the UNDFF mid-term forum and will contribute to the defecational priority policy and technical errors that will shape the UNFF's agenda in the coming years. To welcome us we first have our colleague Maya Takaji she's a regional program leader FAO office for Latin America and the Caribbean. Maya you have the floor. Thank you Luis and thank you for all those in the session and we have a FAO. I'd like to thank our speakers and our colleagues. I would like to emphasize the idea of this regional technical platform. I mean this activity as part of the context of the five regional technical platforms for our region with selected family farming and as part of this link with the knowledge platform on family farming platform led by PSU and for us it's a great opportunity to discuss this topic which is known throughout the regions but in our region is even more important because we know that 80 percent at least 80 percent depending on the country of course they rely on family farming and family farming as a huge development to phase challenges related to climate change, climate variability, access to services, access to natural resources, land, water, soil which is being degraded as we just had our regional conference where we dealt with this family farming and it was a strong demand from countries from ministers to strengthening the access to services, policies, access to financial services, technical assistance, and natural resources with a focus with a differentiated focus looking at inclusion these policies have to be inclusive for family farmers inclusive from the point of view of gender, strengthen the participation of women, the youth that's always a big challenge including young women and the various ethnicities, indigenous populations, descendants which in our region are the most vulnerable public procurement which is part of this first cycle are already tested proven pool I believe quite strongly here in the region therefore I will let me commend you for selecting this topic as the first seminar for this new cycle of 2020 for once again I'd like to thank Nancy and Guilherme for the for their participation and our colleagues in the session um between today and June remember that these these processes of knowledge exchanges are at the core of what we are as FAO in terms of capacity building we don't want them to be just the seminars these are opportunities to change share knowledge sharing of experiences and learn all the lessons from the main challenges for implementing these policies and initiatives so that we can so that we can have more and better policies on family farming so thank you once again and back to you Luis Muchas gracias Maya por tus palabras a continuación imediatamente de la palabra nuestro colega amigo Guilherme Brady Guilhermes el jefe de la unidad de agricultura familiar redes parlamentarias y comunicación para desarrollo de la FAO que viene apoyando la construcción implementación de las actividades de nuestra plataforma técnicas activities of our regional platform Guilherme also heads the contribution of the FAO in the implementation of the decade of family agriculture thank you thank you very much for your support for your joint work i believe that we have a very beautiful example here of collaboration and of work at different levels of the FAO and at the level of different units of the FAO supporting the family farming system i would just like to highlight or supplement a couple of things that both Luis and Maya have already mentioned for the wider-ranging audience that is with us here today and i refer to the effort of establishing platforms for the for exchanges and for knowledge within family farming is indeed a very important step i believe that it is truly a great support for the implementation of this decade the creation of this regional platform to exchange ideas on family farming in by the office of Latin America and the Caribbean and linking up that platform with the other global entities that we have the platform to acknowledge family farming and the initiatives and the communication initiatives for development we create we have created an institutional ecosystem that is very robust and that provides us with tremendous content information and that enables us to view this issue and the scope of it and to reach other stakeholders and that includes the communications for communication for development that we have in Latin American Casa in Africa and the Asian counterpart to deal with this issue of family farming in agricultural areas based on rural radio stations and other means of communication so i thank you enormously and all this forms part of a process of an experience that we have had during this year to reach the mid-term entity in the implementation of the decade that will be held between the 15th and 17th of october during the world food forum in Rome so i certainly invite you all to to participate in that activity that will be held in october and we're also organizing a whole series of activities practically every month that will add to our experiences and to our knowledge related to different issues linked to family farming we are holding activities that have to do with reflections around the major issues that are being discussed presently about the future of family farming the integration of the environmental agenda in family farming policies and also a whole series of activities that imply technical exchanges within the framework of that seminar of that joint activity with the regional platform and also training activities in and public policies for family farming and also training around other issues of interest i would like to highlight why we have selected a public procurement when it comes to family farming and especially school meals programs i believe that there is a tremendous need for innovation when it comes to public policies for family farming we are living within a context of challenges that go beyond or that encompass different public policy areas and that demand a better integration of actions a better planning of actions and i believe that public procurement policies when it comes to family farming have has been one of the main innovations in the field of public policies over the past few years they have integrated farming health nutritional policies with educational policies as well and that all enables us to effectively seek out a better coordination between different areas within governments and also we detect many benefits as from the viewpoint of the national states that enables us to optimize resources be much more effective in the provision to combine operational capabilities resource different resources both human and financial resources and also to maximize results accumulating benefits in various areas of public policies and that is indeed that type of innovation that go beyond agricultural policies themselves that we are trying to think about to seek how different public policy mechanisms may be used in order to support family family farming and i believe that there is tremendous scope here for discussions and for reflections as mentioned by Betushi that is indeed very important because in accordance with the data of the world food program we have 418 million boys and girls throughout the world that require food and here we find a tremendous opportunity and by a public procurement for family farming we can support and not only the access to nutritious and healthy food for children but initiatives that help us to establish food systems that are much closer so to speak to populations are decentralized and also promoting local economies and we are working along those lines and we will continue to work on that but we are aware that there are indeed many challenges when it comes to purchasing family farming products it is not easy there is a need to structure production to organize production to seek out payment mechanisms that are a whole series of challenges and we want to hear from countries that are promoting these types of initiatives how they are finding solutions to that and alternatives to that to those types of aspects so we thank you enormously for your interest for the participation of panelists and we hope to welcome you all in October in the midterm event for the decade initiative thank you as you saw both Guillerm and Maya have facilitated and have made my work easier so I don't have to spend a lot of time justifying why this link between public procurement of family farming products is so that and its link with school meals is so important I would like to tell you that in order to work around that issue we have colleagues here from the FAO technical officers of the FAO we also have representatives of the coalition for school meals the consortium on school meals and nutrition representatives of the government of Brazil and also representatives of the organization of the family farming producers of Burundi after these presentations we will have the possibility a 30 or 40 minute period for a Q&A session so that we can discuss in greater depth the cases that have been presented and for this the purpose we invite you to take note of all the queries that you may want to make to our presenters after that we will open up the floor to hold an open debate on the relevance and the challenges that exist when it comes to the development of an institutional framework for the purchasing of family farming products and within the framework of the school meals programs now in your time I would like to offer presenters to abide by the time that they have been allocated and I will certainly be warming you be warning you that you are running out of time for your presentation I would now like to offer the floor to the presentation of my colleague Nancy Avurto Nancy thank you very much for being with us and Nancy is the Acting Director of the Nutrition and Food Unit of the FAO Nancy you have 15 minutes for your presentation thank you Luis and thank you for the invitation I'll be making my presentation in English so if you need interpretation please you can click on the language of your preference to be here today and the main reason I'm pleased to be here is actually wrapped up in the title of my presentation which is sustainable public food procurement multiple benefits to a multiplicity of beneficiaries and that really is the reason that I'm inspired by the efforts around sustainable public food procurement and the integration of family farming local farmers and local actors in what is sustainable public food procurement the reason for this is that we recognize that we are not advancing towards our global goals for sustainable development of Agenda 2030 nearly fast enough so we have got to really be concentrating on those efforts that can help us achieve multiple goals simultaneously and public food procurement is widely recognized as one of these strategic policy instruments that can indeed help us achieve multiple development goals now this is based on a recognition that public institutions when they use their financial capacity and their purchasing power to award contracts they can really go far beyond the immediate scope of responding just to procurement needs they can also address social environmental and economic needs and when I say social needs I include in that nutrition and health needs and this of course can contribute to the overall public good so sustainable public food procurement is recognized within these sustainable development goals very specifically in target 12.7 that promotes public procurement practices that are sustainable in accordance with national policy and priorities and then building out from this and aligned with this there are various regional frameworks that have also included the recognition of the potential power or sustainable public procurement and public food procurement this also is very recently been highlighted in the United Nations Food Systems Summit of 2021 and then echoed again at the two-year follow-up in 2023 that public food procurement can be a game changer a key concrete action that can transform our food systems for both healthy people and healthy planet so of course different there are different types of public institutions that can support this process and we've got prisons hospitals universities even our armies and social programs and we think a lot in the scope of social programs as those school programs and one reason there's a lot of focus here it makes a lot of sense is that school food procurement of course can help provide a predictable and a stable demand through its school food and nutrition initiatives and this can help support the needs of family farmers for that stable market but it also specifically benefits children and children are indeed a beneficiary group that really is supportive of multi-sectorial action because we all want to be supportive of the next generation we all want to be supportive of children and it's not just the programs that are occurring today it's when those school programs are partnered with robust school food and nutrition education that we can really help instill in children lifetime dietary behaviors that contribute to future demand for sustainable public food procurement for healthy diets so we can have an impact today and into the future now key characteristics of food procurement initiatives can impact across different components of food systems in effect of range of actors and this is what we're talking about in that title of having a multiplicity of beneficiaries but it really depends on the choices that we make around some key questions the key questions being what food is being purchased from whom are we purchasing this food and from what type of production practices are we prioritizing in our purchasing behavior public food procurement can influence food consumption and food production patterns again to deliver those multiple social economic and environmental beneficiaries we can create demand for certain types of food and for certain types of production practices if we are deliberate in the way that we answer these three questions so diving into each one of those questions what food is being purchased now if we are purchasing healthy nutritious safe and culturally appropriate food in public food procurement initiatives we can influence an increase in the variety and quantity of nutritious foods served in public venues in public spaces but we're also promoting the value of local dietary habits and traditional nutritious foods and when we link this to that second question of the choice of from whom we're purchasing we are also influencing the family farmers themselves to be producing nutritious foods and diversified crops which could potentially benefit their consumption patterns and could potentially benefit the availability of more diversified foods in local markets for the entire community so indeed in this way the public food procurement initiatives have potential to directly impact food consumption dietary diversity and nutrition status across a whole array of actors now if we go back to that second question from whom should these public purchases be made if we make that decision to engage with the family farmers engage with vulnerable producers especially women and youth as was mentioned by Maya earlier these public food procurement initiatives can become an instrument to support local and family farming production and stimulate that economic development it can encourage it can facilitate and it can reduce the risk of investment to farmers to increase and diversify their agricultural production it can also benefit micro small medium enterprises across the entire food value chain and of course that focus on youth that focus on gender can help contribute to empowering those groups and leading to greater social equity so the final question from what type of production practices are we focusing our public food procurement initiatives if we target these on foods that are produced in a specific way that can ensure environmental sustainability and promote biodiversity we can have that impact on that additional pillar of sustainable development the environmental pillar we can do things like purchasing food that are based on low impact production methods things like agro ecological methods organic methods etc so public food procurement can hold that potential to promote those environmental benefits and this can also have other effects beyond just the production it's also focusing on things like fresh and minimally processed foods that can reduce packaging having shorter value chains that can reduce food loss and waste and also reduce those food miles so if we are deliberate in responding to those three questions we I think we can all agree that there is tremendous potential in sustainable public food procurement however despite this great potential to implement these initiatives it's it's not so simple it's not so straightforward and I think Guillermo mentioned some of or alluded to some of those challenges but at FAO in the food nutrition division we've collected and learned a great deal from the work that we've been doing in this area for quite some time and one thing that we recognize is that you have to have coordinated efforts coordinated conditions across the supply side the demand side and linking that to policy and institutions and so today's workshop I think is really a great opportunity to be discussing some of these conditions and how we can enable the correct conditions to make this complex milieu of of actors in situations work for sustainable public food procurement for all pillars of sustainable development before I pass back the microphone where we'll be able to to dive a little bit deeper I want to highlight a few things that we have learned from our division in this regard so starting just with the supply side we know that there are a lot of bottlenecks and challenges constraints that family farmers have to engaging in public food procurement some of those are shown here on the slide and we again have to be very deliberate about working to overcome these challenges we actually indeed have some rather disappointing or somewhat disappointing information that we gathered from some impact evaluations done in Zambia and Ethiopia that showed in homegrown school feeding initiatives if we weren't deliberate in thinking about these constraints that we could actually have detrimental effects on smallholder farmers so there's great potential there but we have to be very thoughtful about how we approach it now looking at the the demand side some of the barriers that we've run into that we've come across are things linked to adequate funds adapted inclusive procurement procedures and practices which can also oftentimes be a bottleneck especially for implementation of these types of efforts and local institutional capacities that need to be increased so that these programs for sustainable public food procurement can be successfully implemented and that takes us to the last sort of set of concerns to consider and that's the policy the institutional and the legal frameworks we really need to promote multi-sectorial action a multi-sectorial and inter-ministerial approach to these types of initiatives and we need to support a set of national policies so it's not just one policy because we've got these inter-ministerial collaborations to consider so it oftentimes takes a set of policies that need to be aligned and aligned also with legal frameworks so FAO together with our partners and I really want to highlight that part of the equation as well the way that we as FAO have really been able to work with partners as a complete necessity for for any of our efforts in this regard we are engaged in supporting the implementation of effective sustainable public food procurement in a lot of different ways and a lot of it is specifically to try to overcome some of those barriers that I just highlighted now at the global level we work to produce global public goods such as a recent publication on public food procurement for sustainable food systems and healthy diets we also are working on designing guidelines helping to support guidance and also convening so convening experts convening like what we're doing today for an exchange of ideas information lessons and practices so that we can all learn together for advancing our efforts in this regard we also are working with regions of course I'm at headquarters but we work across all of all of the regions you can see here in this map just a few of the places where we're working with regions and with governments in individual countries to support sustainable public public food procurement initiatives in particular with a great deal of emphasis on those school food and nutrition and school feeding programs that engage in sustainable public food procurement we've been working for more than a decade to to support local and national governments to design and implement programs across Africa, Latin America, Asia and you can see some of the examples on this slide and finally I just want to reiterate I've said it once before but I'll say it again we don't do any of this work alone as you all know in addition to a very strong partnership that we have with WFP, EFAD, UNEP and other UN agencies we also have lots of bilateral partnerships that we engage in to help support this work bilateral with civil society with academic institutions etc we're also engaged in some big and broad partnerships for awareness raising and advocacy in this area one thing I want to highlight is this interest group on sustainable public food procurement that comes under the sustainable public procurement program of the One Planet Network we really think that this at the global level is a great opportunity for us to continue our efforts in advocacy and awareness raising around the potential of these initiatives we're also of course actively engaged in the school meals coalition that came out of the UN food system summit and very specifically supporting within that umbrella the sustainable food for excuse me sustainable food procurement for schools so to conclude we can reaffirm that public food procurement is an important policy instrument to promote food systems transformation again it's been named a game changer we can indeed achieve multiple development objectives multiple sustainable development goals including sustainable rural development and the support to family farming within these initiatives nevertheless it's not that easy and there's a lot to be done so coming together to share lessons learned from the long-lasting work in this area is very very important we can build on what we know about the need for a holistic approach and that cross-sectorial coordination and synergies synergies between agriculture between nutrition health education and other sectors so we again FAO in the Food and Nutrition Division we with our partners are committed and engaged to continuing this work to continue supporting countries and continue to supporting the broader global community so that we can more effectively implement sustainable public food procurement initiatives so we can drive those sustainable development goals and with that I will thank you for your time and I will hand the microphone back over to Luis muchisimas gracias thank you so much and it's very very useful presentation here I was very useful for me especially because of that idea that through a single instrument we're able to resolve several policy issues and here school meals is one of those examples we talked about nutrition education health and so on and I believe that there is an aspect here that involves market the creation of markets a market is not an abstract entity that has provided us with a single strategy but it is the result of a social construction and then sees presentation evidence is how we are able to build a market to encourage demand to link that with the supply and the third point that I truly love of this work on school meals is how we build and create habits among children valuing nutrition with real food as we say in our country and finally there is a very important issue that we will continue to discuss in greater depth here and that refers to how we face up to the dilemmas of nutrition how we overcome the barriers of the bottlenecks that hinder the implementation of these schemes obviously there's no silver bullet there is a mix of policies that has to be organized in order to make that work so thank you very much Nancy and colleagues I would like to remind you all that we will have a Q&A session so that we can continue with an open debate later on so we invite you to ask to post your questions in the chat or subsequently or later on to ask for the floor raising your hand now we would like to invite our colleagues Samrat Singh who is president of the practice the community of practice of the nutrition and diets of the consortium on the research of school meals and nutrition of the coalition of school meals and also Emily C. Daner who is coordinator of the secretariat of the coalition Dr. Singh and Dr. Sina there you both have 50 minutes for your presentation I understand that we will be changing the slides as from here if we are not mistaken good afternoon and thank you for accepting to show the slides it's a pleasure to be here today I'm the coordinator of the School Meals Coalition Secretariat based in Rome as Nancy just mentioned it's a multi stakeholder multi-country network and so I'll start by saying a few words about the coalition and then we'll pass the floor to Dr. Samrat Singh to go into the core of the topic of the discussion today so let me just say that the coalition was launched at the food system summit in 2021 this was in the midst of the COVID-19 pandemic as you will all remember schools were massively closer around the world that affected both rich and poor communities and that's when we came to the understanding that schools provide more modern education they provide essential services including school feeding but it was also a time where we realized the potential of school meals to support communities and all these multi-sectoral linkages that Nancy just mentioned so a group of countries led by France and Finland put forward the coalition of the food system summit as the multi-sectoral initiative that would achieve multi-sectoral goals and from the beginning food systems and the issue of links with local procurement links with family farming were at the very core of the agenda so perhaps we can move to the next slide please and say that the coalition can have kept growing we are now at 97 countries and three regional bodies those are the European Commission the African Union and ECOAS in West Africa and we also have as you will see in the next slide a growing number of partners that have joined us the last record we had was at 107 partners including POW and all UN agencies but perhaps also many of the organizations that are here online today so I hope we can engage in a discussion. Burundi, Brazil are also part of the coalition so very much connected to this discussion if we can move to the next slide something that's really important is that all those countries all those partners rally behind one shared objective which is to ensure that every child has the opportunity to receive a healthy nutritious meal in school by 2030 and as you can see the objectives were three the first one was really as I was saying we were in the middle of a crisis so what really dragged attention at the beginning was restoring the school meals programs that existed before the pandemic that objective has been already achieved the second objective was about reaching all those many children that had not been reached yet and increasing the efficiency of programs and the funding for programs so that we could reach all the children by 2030 but the third objective and I think that's where we are connecting to the discussion here today the third objective it's about quality and improving the approach and that's where the linkages with food systems and the linkages with family farming from home as you can see this idea of quality and efficiency links to healthy food environments promoting safe nutrition and sustainably produced food so very much Nancy what you were mentioning around the SDGs and public procurement and you can see that there's a specific reference to linking to local and seasonal production where appropriate and that's where homegrown school feeding approaches that are of interest to many many countries I'm sure we will hear from that today was put forward from the very beginning in the agenda and now I'm happy to share that a lot of the work and the priorities of government governments are around those homegrown approaches that include links to family farming could we go to the next slide please so here we have a few examples of national commitments as I was mentioning this is a network driven by countries 97 countries today out of them 40 have made formal commitments to the coalition and as you can see 31 of them so three quarters of them have commitments very specifically linked to supply chain to market linkages to fresh food to nutritious food and to nutritional guidelines and standards so we have here for instance examples of Armenia Bangladesh who is changing and piloting a new program to look into food baskets that includes fresh food eggs born locally sourced France has a specific law also that requires to procure food meeting specific quality standards and including organic farming we have Gambia that has also a very strong accent on homegrown school feeding and I could keep going on we will hear from Burundi also who has very clear targets along these lines Kenya has been a champion of homegrown school feeding for for many years as well can we go to the next slide please and a few words on how the coalition works the coalition is led by a group of 13 countries led by France Finland and since October last year Brazil who as you know has always been a champion of links between school feeding and local sourcing family farming so we will hear I think from from them right now there's a walking group that comprises the 97 countries and the three regional bodies of the coalition and then the partners group where all the partners of the coalition can join and all this network is facilitated by the secretariat that another piece to moderate and that's here really to support the membership of of the coalition importantly we work through four initiatives that also reflect main bottlenecks that have been identified in moving forward the school feeding agenda and ensuring every child has a school mill at school the first one is the research consortium which as you will hear very shortly from Dr. Samarit focusing on generating the evidence for school health and nutrition and school feeding in particular we have an initiative focused on financing and helping countries to develop sustainable financing strategies an initiative focused on data and monitoring that WFP leads and finally a new initiative that was launched last year in Paris as well which is cities feeding the future and which is about connecting the local governments and the municipalities to the school feeding programs and I think that's particularly relevant for Latin America where I understand cities and municipalities in many many countries are really in charge of implementing the programs and doing the procurement so if I do a quick deep dive on the research consortium and that will be my last slide if we can move through it the research consortium is hosted by the London School of Hygiene and Tropical Medicine and works through six community of practices which you can see in this screen I won't get into all of them but there's one specifically working on diet and food systems that look at issues such as homegrown school feeding family farming and sustainable programs or planet friendly programs if you will this is led by Dr. Samarit and that's a way to introduce my colleague and passing the floor to go into the substance of the topic thank you so much for the opportunity to please share the slides so I think I'll just start so my name is Samarit Singh and it's great to be part of this very webinar very relevant and important topic for the next few minutes I'm going to be speaking about connecting family farms and school feeding and how really family farms and school feedings are mutually enabling and together they can really contribute to creating ecological sustainability and also contribute to plant free health as the title suggests just to give a very quick structure it's divided by slides that went before sections I'll just begin with an overview of the scale of school feeding and then I'll go into the heart of the matter which is around the linkages between family farming and school feeding closing with some sense of the trade-offs constraints and drivers if we can move to the next slide please so yeah this is just to give you a very quick sense of the reach and scale of school feeding so as we can see that you know even in Latin America and the Caribbean 78 million children receive school meals and these are pre-COVID figures because that's the most sort of recent data we have and overall of course you know the scale of school feeding is 388 million children and it's increasing and it's poised to increase over the next two three years to a much more significant level next slide please the interesting description because it really gives a sense of the rapid increase in the scale and investment in school feeding program so as we can see that in lower and middle-income countries the school feeding program over a short period of seven years the number of children receiving school feeding has increased by 86 percent even in low-income countries it's a very significant increase of 36 percent next slide please the value of school feeding budgets which are sourced from funding so you know overall 90 percent of the funding comes from domestic budgets this is critical because then governments are able to drive the mechanisms of procurement and other school feeding and food system linkages because the budgetary tools are within government systems rather than externally funded and tied and as we can see that in lower and middle-income countries as of 2020 almost 96 percent of the countries school feeding budgets are funded by the governments themselves and as i said this is a very important aspect of driving food system linkages and foods with food systems next slide please so here i would just spend some time on the slide this is to demonstrate and give a sense of course it's not comprehensive but this is to demonstrate how school feeding and food system and family farms can contribute to plan tree and human health so school feeding through these five characters through these five components we can which you can see four components starting with procurement and output support we have heard about this about how procurement and output support through structured demand democratization is the fact that the school feeding itself the the sites of school feeding is at other schools and there's a lot of community participation and which really implies that a lot of social hierarchies around food are dismantled in terms of dietary practices in terms of production practices then there's an issue of behavior change and of course there's a very critical issue of food sovereignty and there is there has been decent literature to demonstrate how home school feeding can enable food sovereignty which is of course here as we all know originated in the south america in the 1980s and now is an integral part of the food system dialogue and also it is part of national laws in many countries i think over 15 countries of food sovereignty in their national laws these four components really can lead to a set of outcomes and i've just mentioned a few outcomes here i'll very quickly go through them one is of course gender equity and the gender equity is enabled through the fact that direct linkages with women cooperatives or even through specific commodities for example certain foods are grown particularly by women and which are included in school feeding food baskets legumes lentils etc then there's an issue of food heritage and culture given that many of the school feeding menus are designed locally in local participatory workshops with a specific emphasis on making dishes which are traditionally using traditional recipes and that also increases the issue also increases food acceptability and has the potential to lower food waste this and also this can also include traditionally fermented and preserved foods the next issue relates to indigenous knowledge this is indigenous knowledge both around production practices and also around practices of cooking which i've mentioned the fourth aspect is around climate resilience and adaptation and this operates to through two pathways one is of course through specific commodities which include the school feeding basket there are a few examples in the next slide and the other pathway is through specific procurement mechanisms which promote you know climate smart agriculture practices and family farms and of course the obvious one is food and nutrition security as most school feeding menus have a target of 30 to 40 percent RDA for most micro and micro micronutrients and with a specific focus on micronutrient rich foods especially around zinc, iron, vitamin A etc and together these linkages can reinforce each other and really have the potential as i said earlier to create healthy and sustainable food systems next slide please just some very quick examples given that we are running out of time so i'd mentioned more women these are just evidence and examples on two aspects one is around women empowerment which is based on specific foods examples like yume's roots vegetables which are specifically included in school feeding menus and we know that in many countries you know these are primarily grown by women farmers and the school feeding programs also have explicit engagements with women cooperatives so there are some examples from Nepal there are some examples from Tunisia there are examples from many other countries where women cooperatives have forward contracts with schools to supply these local foods and vegetables next slide please so i'd already mentioned more climate change resilience this is just a quick example i will just give the example of military which is of course as we all know it's highly nutritious it has very low carbon footprint and it is introduced in school meals in some states in India where they're primarily grown by subsistence family farmers so this addresses multiple issues around subsistence agriculture family farms nutrition and also climate smart agriculture practices next slide please slide just to give a sense of the policy engagement of school feed i realize i'm running out of time so what i'm going to do is these are the pillars which are most relevant for school feeding from the global action plan of the family farming decade and each of these pillars really relates to how school feeding can impact policy engagement i'll give you a very quick example for pillar three the role of school feeding many countries really highlights the role of women in production and consumption and this in turn can and has in certain cases the evidence to show increased policy engagement with you know agriculture policies related to empowerment of women access to credit specifically in relation to women etc next slide please so i'll sort of close with this slide and here are the you know just to give you a flavor of some of the constraints and trade-offs because there are a number of constraints and trade-offs in terms of the scale of course school feeding can enable these changes at a very large scale given that many of the school feeding programs are universal and many of them actually operate all year round and so but so the scale can be very significant and it can be very context specific because of the nature of food systems and the nature of local procurement the drivers are as some of this have been mentioned in the earlier presentations around policy integrity institutional frameworks so i'm not going to go into this one of the key trade i'm going to go to the last bullet point which is around the trade-offs which is the transfer of transaction cost to school feeding budgets so in the absence of allied frameworks for example in the access of in the absence of access to credit in the absence of capacities related to agricultural extension a deliberate engagement with family farms can at times run the risk of transferring the transaction costs to school feeding budgets which are as disconstrained next slide please so yeah i think you know i've run out of time now so i'll just conclude by saying that you know school feeding the interaction between school feeding and family farming has a great potential to achieve food system transformation but a lot of work needs to be done around these issues which is being done and i uh look for and we all look forward to seeing how it translates in the coming years uh so thank you for the opportunity of speaking yeah thank you so much colleagues dr syna there dr sing very interesting to really interesting to see the scope of this agreement this consensus around the importance of family farming uh the resulting coalitions are from the food systems some and this is just one probably the most robust the multiplicity of actors with a wide geographic range so so i i believe there's a very good platform to move forward and it's also important to see how especially in the last a few slides dr sing this constrains the trade-offs that will have to phase to move these agenda forward but before we go into the next presentation i would like to suggest speakers and you can look at the chat box and on the q&a section and maybe you can address the comments or questions that the 124 participants are making as you were presenting well anyway to connect those thoughts to specific cases at different levels i have the pleasure to have here leading how she's the national secretary of food security and nutrition from the ministry of social development from brazil the brazilian experience i'd like to thank them uh it's really important uh school meals are just uh just a tool among many that are part of a strategy of promoting uh food security and then nutrition and the weight of her on family farming as a food supplier it's a political decision as part of a much wider strategy and the discussion of the the development model so no better person that a lean in to share that view from the ministry of social development from the brazilian government lean in you have 15 to 20 minutes for your presentation for us yours we cannot hear you lydia i guess you are working on the audio i see your microphone is on yet we cannot hear you uh maybe how about now okay now it's working thank you lillian so i to speak into a microphone so that we can have our translation service work uh let me share my presentation pedro also has a copy of it in case it doesn't work it's okay just uh go to a presentation mode please okay next uh slide please okay thank you luis maya and the other afio colleagues from your invitation like to talk about the history of public procurement programs here in brazil for about a year there was a 2023 where we first implemented the public procurement program from family farming at the federal level in brazil which is the food procurement program which was a decisive action from the federal government to implement the various public procurement programs from family farming even public procurement for the national school meals program i believe the previous presentations were made up made emphasis on the food on the school meals or school feeding especially the the benefits of a local procurement and that for us in brazil it's not different the decision of starting a family farming procurement program provided the possibility to create this school feeding program as well as multiple local municipal programs to which was really important we started the program in 2003 so that we could leverage some of the existing policies of family farming which required to be strengthened before i explained the program of procurement program and everything it involves and everything that happened after the implementation i believe it's important to say that by mid 1990s in brazil we started with a series of programs to promote family farming specifically a rural credit program for family farming to strengthen family farming and from these implementation from these program rural credit rural loan for family farming we managed to develop from zero hunger approach a series of actions and programs that may offer promotion of family farming but also make a progress in terms of find the actions for family farming and fight against hunger and healthy diet we were lucky enough that early on we were able to create a public procurement program from family farming and also allowed us to understand that there is there is not a single program addressing everything we needed a set of actions to promote production technical assistance credit access supply policies that will allow us to properly implement a public procurement program from family farming and using public procurement even in some specific programs such as the case of school meals or other programs such as armed forces public spaces and other programs which have been used which have been covered by these public procurement lillian you're not in the presentation mode yet could you please expand maybe pedro can do that it is in the presentation mode for me luis i will ask pedro maybe he can do that pedro that's the second email i just send i will i let me stop sharing so that you can go to the presentation mode pedro can do that okay pedro you go to the presentation mode there it is i've already talked about this uh next slide please next as i said in brazil we have a public procurement program in family farming which established in 2003 as part of a zero hunger program in order to have a way to fight the hunger for the whole country and from the food procurement from family farming that's a program strengthening family farming and promotes access to food for the whole country this program as i said was the origin was the starting point of all this sequence of public procurement we have is that this is a this is an active program very important for food security of the country that's uh i uh from the very beginning we've been buying from family farmers and uses public budget at a federal level to buy products from family farmers those food are donated and then to people the vulnerable people in terms of food to also to our assistance network the network of food security solidarity kitchens and our public health care education and justice network so we have a bid to buy from family farmers provided our prices are competitive to regional grocery stores we have here multiple ways to operate but most important is purchase with a simultaneous donation the purchase of i mean buying from family farmers we also work with the procure of purchase and donation of dairy products especially in arid places in brazil where we want to promote the use of milk as well as we offer as well as offering milk to the to vulnerable population we also have other forms such as institutional procurement which is a way to use budgets from other programs other than the food and buying from family farming next slide please we've conducted several studies throughout the years we have collected information as to programs and today we have we know that these program helps several families which has these families are they're all farmers and they have minimum wage minimum monthly wage which doubles the income of a family and that that has been a very important opportunity for the marketing and reaching private markets we also managed to have over 50 percent over 50 percent allocation of these programs to small municipalities and middle size and municipalities between 10 and 50 thousand inhabitants and it works it works as a way to strengthen local market in a local environment and also promotes production of food and access to them it finds all food deficiency and improves nutritional conditions it increases the revenues and income of family farmers and helps reducing all rural problems now let me make a point here we have several organizations supporting family farmers they're the most vulnerable family farmers we don't have a registry we have a unique registry that that with over hundred million people in it and there we apply the Bolsa Familia program but also allows to identify poor people and families and we have another registry which is the survey of structural family with over three million families in it this is a survey that identifies family farming that may offer products to public procurement and through those administrative registries or records we can identify of family farmers the poor family farmers which require more benefit as well as as well as other other traditional communities such as indigenous peoples no quilombolas and others that do not have access to programs and that for that reason need to be identified so with this program we want to reach poor sectors and those areas that cannot gain access to healthy diets through family farming so these families needs to be strengthened producers should strengthen their production production of food with these programs we managed to have a positive impact on the GDP of municipalities next slide please these program after 20 years is still innovative because of because of multiple reasons but mainly because of these the civil society engagement social organizations and how from the very beginning 20 years ago it works on the social dimension with the national board of food security and nutrition and it's still important to strengthen family farming access to food and vulnerable people and it contributes to strengthening the strengthening of municipal economies and it collaborates the regional development particularly in the north the east region which is a region with the highest number of family farmers poor many of them and with the great importance on this is important to open opportunities for other public procurement programs we use a food procurement program as an opportunity for families to experience public procurement and get ready to offer food to our national school meals program besides the private market and other public procurements from family farming we've worked on over time last since last year we have had major changes in the program food procurement now people can react can phase our challenges in terms of our in terms of our implementation and these new challenges brazil is facing that is reducing food insecurity reduced hunger these are also program where food procurement are part of it so as to centralize public procurements and the public budget to focus that on kilumbolas indigenous populations traditional populations and family farmers the agricultural reform youth or young women honored people overall to reach that audience which are the most vulnerable people with the access difficulties to the public sector we have programs to reach indigenous populations for them to gain access to multiple programs and to make them flexible in terms of the documents they have to submit I mean to make their life easier by by by having a single roster a single list single registry so that they can be part of projects and bits to pop or food procurement after 20 years so we have managed to implement the need that pretty percent of all the federal procurement in brazil are to be made from family farming and in 2009 2010 we submitted the purchasing purchasing uh food school meals were bought from family farming and last year there is now there's a law for universities the armed forces there's an obligation for them to have a minimum percentage 60% should be procured from family farming through the various federal agencies one of the programs as uh comprises the ministry of social development agricultural development the supply national supply organization and among many among other ministries these agencies are putting together the rules and regulations are are leading this food procurement and everything this is done from family farming we have the food security program was eliminated until 2022 but we have now a program in place we're working with women last year we reached over 60% women and now we are using the program as an incentive for youth in family farming and retaining in retaining the young people near the near agriculture we also have a program to offer equipment to meet the food scarcity in the urban peripheries in 2023 this uh food the public procurement program was uh this was a we bought one billion reiles which 81,707 family farmers 61% women we bought over 163,000 tons of food and distributed to over or nearly 10,000 social assistance organizations well the school back to the school feeding program as addressed before but let me say that the procurement of food for our school feeding for that we've uh we had a greater availability twice what we initially had as well as uh i mean from to buy from family farmers but we expect to have uh positive results in the future these two programs are very important we we have to create the family farming market which is a really important uh family i mean uh food procurement uh for school meals that the rules we use are the same we have formal groups or informal groups of family farmers individuals who operate the rules are the same and as i already said early in my presentation our program our school meals program established in 2009 we have these obligations of 30 uh procurement from family farmers for uh school feeding so them and this was a a strategy because we were able to share this with other countries and now we managed to build this sort of circuit to promote family farming as one of the mechanisms to promote sustainable and healthy food last but not least in brazil uh last last march we enacted a new basic food basket based on our experience over the years with the family farming public procurement and other production programs some supply consumption with this uh decree was uh enacted uh last uh march which sets the guidelines for our actions programs and policies for procurement supply and consumption and for uh kids uh under two years of age these new basket with respect to diversity of cultures and ethical diversity is focused on 10 groups of food and those groups are natural with the minimum processing we excluded ultra processed food from our basket also with this new decree we're guiding our programs and public programs and policies so we are now eliminating the possibility of buying ultra processed food for our public programs and we're diversifying and looking at the conditions and and uh feeding behaviors in the different territories and try to consider that our food basket to respect regional traditions and cultures and have a new parameter or for healthy the diet to promote healthy diets for rural credit procurement as a whole supply and consumption and with that we're trying to start a new agenda for the promotion of healthy diets in brazil to build additional parameters to promote healthy and sustainable food systems in our country thank you very much thank you petro for your support lillian thank you very much following a presentation such as this one that is so comprehensive i dare not make too many comments but i cannot but leave aside the idea that the food procurement system is a very important innovation in public policies when one goes into greater depth in the architecture of the program and it's different formulas one finds that flexibility and the adaptation to different realities that is perhaps one of the main strengths of the program and that continues to be a source of inspiration and of innovation for all of us the system lillian of that new basic food basket is again an additional source of inspiration because it guides her production the supply and the consumption of food and what is also extremely important is the importance of the participation of civil society and of the accompaniment of the program and that intertwined work between ministries including the finance ministry because at the end of the day that is the ministry that has the money to fund those programs so i'm sure lillian that many of the questions that are being asked by our colleagues about that discussion is something that you will be able to answer and i know that even with a very tight agenda you're always willing to share with us and with other countries so thank you very much now talking about that strategy of participation and the importance of participation of organizations in the various procurement systems and that is very important they provide services to their members so they help to organize production and also promote social and technological innovations in order to adapt production to the requirements of the demand that exists so to deal with that dimension we now have mrs anik sessiveira who is executive secretary of the confederation of agricultural producers association for production who accompanies us from burundi so please anik sessiveira you have the floor now for your presentation good morning first of all i would like to thank you for the opportunity that you have given me to share with you the experiences and the lessons that we have learned in burundi as from 2012 when we launched the program dealing with local procurement and the experience that i would like to share with you refers to local procurement for school meals so this is a program promoted by the government of burundi involving the support of its technical and financial partners via the world food program i would like to say that there is a confederation of small family producers that produce crops and part of our cooperatives supply school the school meal programs supported by the government through local procurement we began with a program whereby we conducted centralized procurement via feeding processes that involved higher or more stringent regulations that considered the conditions of family farming at that time 10 years ago but as from the beginning the government of burundi established a dialogue in order to exchange viewpoints and in order to listen to our vindications to our demands and thus things sped up as from then because they tested some decentralized procurement programs whereby schools would raise their demands to local farmers but before we get there i would like to highlight that family farming represents 90 percent of employment with a population of around 13.1 million and today procurement programs for school meals reach 33 or enables 33 percent of students to receive a hot meal every day at school and this 2022 report mentioned that if we look at a 10-year period 72 cooperatives were able to take part in these programs so this enables you to realize that we still have a long way to go and today the government well we must talk about the support that we receive as family farmers in order to view the participation in public programs and i would like to highlight the willingness of the present government to support and to continue to expand procurement for school canteens so that we are able to achieve universal coverage in for three million students approximately but there are also national policies that have been implemented and as i said this has decentralized as some director procurement and has involved local education authorities and the cooperatives and there's also a rural intermediation whereby the family farmers are organized in formal structures such as the agricultural organizations or cooperatives capable of gaining access to these markets that involves the supply of school canteens there have been many public programs lately but also many NGO promoted programs that support the restructuring of family farming in cooperatives and that also provide technical support and likewise support in terms of products and access to loans so that they may improve the quality and quantity of agricultural production and also in order to have more tradable products and also infrastructure for storage purpose and to attach greater value to these products that have all been implemented lately in order to favor the storage and packaging of these products i would like to mention that the products that are consumed are dry products easy to store because schools face difficulties in terms of storage and in terms of water supply for long periods of time and therefore that involves many logistical problems when it comes to fresh products but despite all this i would say today that less than 10 percent of family farmers participate in these markets and also taking into consideration the nature of these bidding processes there are many farmers that are still excluded primarily because contracts do not consider the seasonality of crops but involve periods that are not most adequate and often these farmers find it difficult to participate in these types of markets despite the fact that these are markets that are available to family farmers there are also demands in terms of other documents that exclude organizations that are not professional and that demand evidence of experience and the provision of guarantees by small family farming organizations but we must also seek out economic support which involves long waiting periods it involves that it implies that we have to travel and that increases the price of our products but also the size and the amounts the amounts of products that are provided by the amounts are provided to small cooperatives and they don't have enough backup to provide local markets and today and payment payment changed from three months from a three-month waiting period to a one-month payment period that is also very positive and there are also other ways of facilitating the operation of this market for example providing a contract in advance or to establish a contract for each one of the seasons involved now what is it that could facilitate the participation of the farmers in these public markets so well first of all and something that i would like to highlight is to have a an adequate policy not a policy that abstracts but rather a policy that supports production in order to improve and strengthen agricultural production but also in order to improve access conditions and enabling the supply of these products to school canteens and in terms of procedures we have to make the direct supply to schools easier via small amounts establishing a weekly schedule so that small family producers are able to supply school canteens over time what is also important is that this involves a dialogue because purchasers via schools the government or its partners may be able to understand the specificities of this type of farming they must be aware of the seasonality of this type of farming and to adapt that to what is required and we must also work in a very very serious fashion around the issue of the needs of food the dry products that do not require water and at the end of the day diversify the meals at schools and enter into a dialogue with schools that will also enable a dialogue with different institutions and the provision of other types of products so is it that we can introduce beetroot for example this is something important for us in Burundi how to present that food in school canteens so what is the importance of children being able to eat these types of products at school what is the difference between having a meal at home and having a meal at school what I would also like to highlight is that we must establish quotas because if we don't have established policies if we don't have quotas for products that have to be purchased at a local level for this type of market nothing will guarantee the feasibility of this system because we must analyze the decisions that will be made in order to have these quotas in place and thus we have to implement mechanisms and monitor indicators to check that these quotas are complied with and that small family farmers are able to supply these quotas as is done by larger producers so this is a involved possibility of participating in this market in the case of my country there are also some quota participation and market laws that contain specificities for family farming but we must also review how it is that we can improve the administrative procedures and documents that are demanded and we must also improve the demand for water and likewise enable the direct supply and we must establish in this dialogue with schools with school canteens and as mentioned by our Brazilian colleague there are many family farmers that do not have the opportunity of taking part in this procurement and we must enable them to participate that this is an opportunity for them that is both possible and feasible as farmers we also have our own responsibility in terms of strengthening our capabilities and so that we can adequately organize our supply and determine the market possibilities that exist that we have a commitment a commitment to vis-à-vis certain practices that are sustainable and long-lasting and we must also be capable of protecting our soil and our land with practices that may be adapted to the efforts and to the effects that we encounter today in order to mitigate certain difficulties we have also invested in seeds that are much more adapted and we have diversified our production part of which goes to our families and part of which enables or caters for the demand of these school canteen demands we must participate in training in information sessions but we must also work with others we must adhere or join cooperative cooperatives and peasant organizations so that we're able to diversify our supply and we must also abide by the specifications in the commitments that we enter into it because many people say that they do not abide by our commitments but producers and all all those participating in the agricultural sector must comply with these commitments so when it comes to prices and other aspects we must take into consideration the context of volatility that we experience there are also agricultural organizations that must support the planning and the management of agricultural production we must ensure access to different types of inputs the inputs that are required in rural areas we must support access to infrastructure and also access to financing especially and farming organizations must strengthen traceability transparency and estimate profit levels so that the prices that are fixed are fair prices for both farmers and for schools that purchase these products and the other point that is also important is that we must ensure the procedures and the market practices so in order to control that opportunities are useful for all parties and we must also work so that we may have better conditions adapted to the specificities of the agricultural sector in Burundi for example we work with the support of the FAO there is a program for the supply of school canteens that has to be implemented and there we have to ensure the quality and the hygiene of the food but we must also create awareness among family farmers around this issue now for farmers to be able to fully benefit from this market and likewise for organizations to benefit from this market we need to strengthen capabilities we need consolidated support and they need to be supported and today in the case of my country the support that we receive comes from international organizations and we still but we still lack that support provided by the government in order to strengthen family farming and this is something that we require in order to improve conditions so I would now like to conclude by conveying this message in the sense that family farming needs to be supported and likewise organizations in order to have market public market opportunities and especially when it comes to the market of school canteens thank you very much thank you that was a really interesting presentation it is crystal clear and we don't only need to organize the demand but also to strengthen supply supporting the family farmers the role of producers organizations cooperatives or other forms of association are also important to cope with the demand and as we said before the role of funding the funding of those programs in the last presentation she emphasized the importance of having public funding not only as it is the the case of international cooperation as it is in most cases I would like to thank all the speakers and now we will go to the third session we will have time for questions for our speakers we have already some in the chat pod to have two or three rounds of questions and then we will offer the floor to the speakers let me see the first round of questions but I will start with the questions in the chat pod or you can also see them in the Q&A as well as in the chat Dick Tinsley there was a set of questions here maybe Lilian and Dr. Singh you can take some of them specifically I believe here there's an issue here with and do the governments have sufficient funds to cover the cost of school meals if not what compromise do they do in balancing the lunch with the budget how to strike a balance between the quality of the quality of food while avoiding the waste of food Nicholas Alasa was asking why why I think this is for you Dr. Singh good morning do you know why family farming declining the BRICS nations in the period under study and last but not least how governments can buy when there is no when there is not enough supply in the territory and Camila Lima she's a public servant in Brazil she says that federal institutes have a 1.5 million students in Brazil and nearly half receive school meals and she wanted to know whether the funding program could be articulated through the Ministry of Agriculture Development let's start with those questions and yes the rise the network of sustainable school meals was not present today but the next session we'll we'll include that together with the colleagues from the network some of the experiences we have identified with the coordinator of the cooperation project between AFIO and Brazil anyway we will have those activities maybe if we could address the first few questions so the see the speakers shall we start I don't know starting with Dr. Singh and Dr. Sinader then I give the floor to Lillian and again to madame Sisebeha Dr. Singh yeah hi sorry I don't think Emily is here so it was the issue of the translation I couldn't really hear very clearly what which are the I just got a couple of questions which you would like me to answer so and if I miss something just perhaps please repeat so I think one of the questions was around when governments can what governments can do when there's not enough supply in the territories was that a question for me was that a question for me so I can't hear you so I can't hear you maybe take these and and maybe some comment about the finance of this pro this kind this type of projects or programs okay sorry there was some disruption in the in the sound again okay so very quickly I around when governments can what governments can do when there's not enough supply in these territories I think I can just answer you know I can just say a couple of things which might address some of the other questions also that the issue of connecting school feeding to family farms through procurement mechanisms is not really always a matter of scale that you know what is the volume of the structured demand I know that is a traditional understanding that you know the structured demand has to have a significant volume but it is also about the catholic value of school feeding linkages to family farms just to give you a very quick example we can have a limited number of certain fruits and vegetables for example we can have orange breast feed potato or we can have millets or we can have cow peas and the volume can be quite small but they do have a catholic value in engaging with small in with family farms and enable production of for example orange breast feed potato and linking that up to other programs that support the production of orange breast feed potato in terms of agricultural extension services etc so it's not always about scale it's about having a catholic effect even in terms of gender equity again it's not about scale because it can be very small volumes of certain foods which are primarily produced by women farmers especially between the fallow periods are produced in very small gardens behind their homes or in many countries women have access to very small plots of land because men have access to the larger piece of land and so they give us certain fruits and vegetables there which can be linked to family farms so it's not really always about scale it's about their catholic value so I think that sort of perhaps answers one of the questions uh and I think there's a question about the bricks I don't think that's related to family farms that figure is that the number of children receiving school meals uh the that the statistic shows it declined by five percent I am not quite sure what the reason is I think that's really a function of the statistical calculation and in certain area school feeding was being revised especially maybe in certain states in India and also in South Africa and so the it was at the time of data collection uh you know school feeding was in a position of uh there were some policy divisions happening in some of these countries so that shows a minor reduction of five percent and even on all these countries school feeding was near universal so it's quite you know the there is no likelihood that the trends will increase is not that much uh but yeah please if you know I've missed something yeah please if you know I've missed something thank you so much dr sing let me give the floor to to lilyan lilyan just a comment especially for the funding uh issues you know we have to see how we can guarantee the supply we have a supply and supply and demand issue because of the funding issues but maybe you could share with us some additional things as to how it that works on a daily basis on a regular basis thank you louis first of all just let me explain something's really important about brazil it's a national uh school meal uh school meals program which funds meals all the way up to high school and we have a model which we call co-funding so the government allocates resources to states and municipalities for them to fund school meals and the municipality will supplement that in order to address the predation so last year the federal budget for uh school meals for uh all the way up to high school which is around 18 years of age before they go to college before they go to university this budget was uh five billion five billion five billion dollars so the government allocates that amount for school meals which is and then resources are supplemented at other federal levels this is a this is a huge potential market it's the only market we work on with the family farm and it's a potentially high of a big market now together with that budget we take the budget of foot procurement program which is around one billion reiles two hundred million dollars and this is used as i said as an as a as an experience so that the poorest uh farmers can gain access to school meals market as well as other markets also we work as i said uh that uh foot procurement program can be the starting point for private markets as well as other uh market because it's not the only one family farming it's not the only one i mean it it can i mean because we have those uh markets as an alternative and in brazil we have 25 30 years of programs for family farming and there is a rural very robust a rural loan rural credit the program today serving nearly two million family farmers extending uh uh rural loans according to the family farming characteristics it's the the rural sector has to be uh supported by the resources from the government so families can organize themselves we have a rural loan at a higher rate but many people receive these control resources so that we also have the technical assistance program for family farming so as to gain access to loans and other markets we have programs in order to offer to supply the the food from family farming and to use different markets in the best possible way which could be the the school meals and other institutional markets so family farming it's a very important in brazil but works uh but has a multifunctional role we have access to the various markets according to the different possibilities and in fact we have uh farmers that use this market this open market or uh in order to reach private markets and gain access to private markets this is the example that we have with indigenous families in the food procurement program we have the opportunity to buy food from indigenous families indigenous families i mean we work with with uh them we buy and we donate so they produce and they sell products we authorize the delivery of these food in in schools from the community kitchens from between the indigenous communities and community kitchens so we are trying to create additional alternatives for healthy food and healthy diets and on the other hand we try to implement actions supporting farmers to gain access to other markets other than the institutional market or school meals market where our food procurement program can address last but not least like uh we understand that in a number of products produced it's not a problem programs that promote for these families to produce more if you don't have enough surface area this uh they they they they they do they these families do other things other than agriculture and what they could do is just to supply what they have and we supplement that with the other farming groups i mean there are lots of possibilities to supply it's not just one cooperative organization or farmer we work with and last but not least there's this thing about protein so we have a challenge there challenge of introducing fish into uh school meals and in the other institutional markets as well we've managed to through the promotion of fish processing through family farming so the brazilian government promoted the creation of cooperative cooperatives to process fish so as to offer uh to offer these uh as as an alternative it's a bit more difficult because these are perishable goods and we need specific transportation but at a local level this has been my possible that has been quite successful thank you bedou ski i don't know if there's another question but that that's all i had to say thank you thank you lillian it's always a pleasure to listen to you for these last remarks which answers so many of the questions in the chat but thank you many of the questions have been already ready to answer these questions or the care of products in the various countries but i believe that this is just a pretext used 10 years ago when the school meals program was just starting with the local procurement and we were heard that the local products were expensive rise from pakistan uh came to rondi at a lower price lower than the local price family farming in burundi as other cheaper products such as banana for instance such as potatoes and as i said all this is political will and being able to help a country at a family farming level and opening up public markets for them the school meals because once we have the opportunity once the programs are in place family farmers will adjust will organize themselves and they could use a lot more to ignore it to cope with the demand of course we cannot say that we could meet some the demand from some products for all the school meals but for those products we are available we can have we can offer this opportunity to a family farmers in these areas related to these markets so that we can improve income and everything that has to do with the overall conditions that's uh what i had it what i wanted to say thank you anique let me emphasize the importance of this activity today i mean there is a market there is demand if there is a demand then family farming will react there is a there is a potential there's a dormant potential which may and should be activated through public policies like uh anique just said like lillian said i mean here and the public procurement tool for for school meals and other demands it's extremely powerful this is something that we can elaborate on anyways i know that we want to ask more questions and listen to more experiences but we ran out of time i'd like to thank everyone for your valuable comments to thank the speakers gillermen my and ansi dr sing dr cindera anique lillian really was an excellent session i have learned a lot with you and i thank you for that i'd like to thank gillermen all the support from your team at psu yes we're putting together this ecosystem around family farming which is uh which is important when they made the decision of approving the decade of family farming so we are meeting with those requirements these demand from the society as well as the support from nutrition and and food division next session on may the second we'll have the second session of these around where we will learn the experiences on on enabling tools for public procurement from family farming so your role invited to sign in for that event and hope to see you again and continue to have this fruitful discussion all these material has been recorded that will be made available to family farming platforms so uh this is the first session of this new cycle so thank you very much have a great uh day uh afternoon or evening from wherever you are listening to thank you