 that I could do on this channel, I'm gonna do it. I'm under the most dangerous thing that I can do. What's that? That is to invite people onto the channel. Some folks, I know, some folks I don't know. Some folks are strangers, some folks are old friends. But, and the last time we did that, what happened? The last time we did this, it didn't go haywire, but we had to remove some people and ban some people. It happens. It happens, and so, doesn't matter, we are ready. We are going to do something that I said I was gonna do some time ago. I've been kind of hesitant and a little bit, yeah, I don't wanna do it because I know what it could be, but I opened my mouth and said it, so we're gonna have to do it. So, if you want to come on board and you want to answer this, if you want to take part as, if you want to refute me, if you agree with me, there's really no need to come on board. I guess you can come on board, but it's really for the folks that want to disagree. But what I want you to do is a couple things. Be concise, be quick. I don't have, it won't be an hour long discussion with you. Why? Because there's probably gonna be some other people that's gonna wanna come on. So, that being the case, I would also recommend and ask that those that are, if someone is on, just listen to what we're saying. Because what has happened is someone is talking on screen and I understand the chats get to be a little bit lively and you end up missing. There was a couple of times on the video yesterday. I couldn't tell you how many times folks were making an argument, having this objection, having that objection, and then the answer to what their objection, objecting to was given or it had already been given, but they didn't hear it. Now, I like a lively chat because guess what? This is the best chat on YouTube. In YouTube doom. So, I'm good with the chats. But if you want to not miss out on anything, well then make sure you pay attention. And chow, young cat who is always at the ready says, now it is God who makes both us, who makes both us and you stand firm in Christ. Amen. He anointed us, set a seal of ownership on us and put his spirit in our hearts as a deposit guaranteeing what is to come. Yeah, but you can't use that passage because that makes our point. So, we can't use that passage. Anyway, I'm just kidding. So, go ahead and moderate if I haven't done so. Oh, if I haven't done so, it should be pinned in the chats. So, I will send you the link. Just come on board. I would like to see your face. If there's something going on and you really just don't want to show your face, maybe, but I want to see your face. I want to see your face. So, that being the case also, let me just say this too. I'm going to do something likely on Monday that I'm not, I don't want to do, I don't mind doing it. Trust me, I do not mind doing it, but I need to do it. I've got to deal with some issue. That's not even a big issue. To be honest with you, it's not a big issue. Some folks think it's bigger than the issue that it really is, but it's not. But I've got to deal with it and I've got to set some things straight. I've got to deal with some outstanding drama. So, you know what I'm talking about? And I'm going to, when you hear what I've got to say, those that have been having an issue, if you still disagree with me, if you still are running with the rhetoric, then let me just say this. You're not listening and you don't care. And I'm going to question not your salvation, but your discernment. That being the case, and I understand it'll get back to whoever needs to get back to. No problem, but here's the reason why guys, and I'm just letting you all know this ahead of time. I've got to deal with the drama. Don't have a problem with it. Again, it doesn't bother me. It doesn't bother me. But a couple of things. You were bothering or attacking or going after or impugning the moderators. That is a no-no, because again, the best moderators in YouTube history in Christendom ever. And so you went after them. But then also, also what really set it over the top. And I kind of hesitated to do this. I'll explain more of this later, but my wife has bothered. That was it right there. And so now I've got to address. I'm just giving you all the heads up. You will see it spoken up previously. I'll give you heads up. So if you don't want to engage in it, that's fine. But I'm going to do something that I have to. And I prayed and prayed and prayed and prayed. Lord, do I need to address this? So I need to give you all a heads up because I may not be lied again prior to that, except for the Saturday morning Bible study, which by the way, make sure you show up to the Saturday morning Bible study. So, so with the best moderators in hand and the best YouTube chat ever, I want to go ahead and start sending out these links. Let's see. I've got two people. So, and I hate this thing up because it gets so bright. Alrighty. There we go. Let's see. Hold on. Hold on. Here is the link. All right. There we go there. And I think there are two people. All right. For crown of life as asking to come on. So here we go. All right, guys. So whenever you get the link, then go ahead and just, yeah, whenever you get the link, just go ahead and click on it and I will bring you in in the meantime. And I'll go back periodically and check and see if anyone is going. Remember or do your, this paper here, it's annoying. I'm sorry, guys. This is a paperwork, but that's just in the way. In the way. You know where I can put it at? I can put it back here. Somebody asked, where is that YouTube placket back there on the shelf collecting dust? So that's why I just put the paper up. But anyway, if you guys want to come on, similarly in the meantime, we've got some things that we need to address and I mean to adjust. By the way, thank you guys so much, Annette, thank you for the super chat. I appreciate that. God bless you, sister. I'm going to ask you, I'll deal with your point. I'm going to want you to deal with mine. I'm going to want you to what we call exigita text. So I'll give you a text. Tell me what this means. Why this means that? When we say to exigita text, when you exigita the text, you have to deal with the text, that text, all right? And so all the passages and so forth that folks have won to cover before, we'll cover them again. If need be, someone says, well, why do we keep going on this? Well, here's the reason why. That's literally what the Bible is about. What we're talking about today is literally what the book is about. The book is about people who are lost, who need to be saved and someone decides to save them. Also, let me also address this as well. Someone was asking about, is it right for, and I've got Crown of Life remnant coming in, but someone before I bring you in, brother, someone also asked this about people who, or is it fair that God would kill someone who's innocent? Well, remember, and let me just, while I pull him on, let's do this. Let's do this. Let's go here and let's pull here. Let's see, where is he? Okay. All right. You've got yourself muted. So I'm gonna need you to sort of unmute yourself and can we see who you are? Let me know. As a matter of fact, I've got that right there. Okay. Hey, Cory, can you hear me, man? I can hear you. Is it possible we can see who you are? I will, but man, I'm a little camera shy here. Okay. That's fine. Hold tight one second. Let me deal with a person who was asking a question about why would God kill an innocent person for our salvation? I just want to, I want to go to a passage real quick and I'll bring you back on in a second. Hold on. So I want to go to a passage that I actually covered on, I think it was yesterday. And this is in Hebrews 9. This is about the whole point of this. And I think we missed this. By the way, this is a good passage in terms of showing that Jesus is God. In Hebrews 9, let's see, Hebrews 9, yeah, here we are. Let's start here. And Hebrews 9, let's start. Let's start in verse 16. For where a covenant is, there must of necessity be the death of the one who made it. I think we missed this and kind of glance over this. Where this covenant is, or the testament is, there needs to be the death of the one who made, in other words, because someone puts out a wheel or a testament. It doesn't come in force until the person who made it dies. Then the beneficiary reap the benefit of it. Are you with me? Well, in this passage, who makes a covenant? Because it's saying the person who makes it is the one who dies. Well, this is Jesus who makes a covenant. So Jesus is not, he understands what he's doing. He's not, he's innocent, but he's not unaware. He knows exactly what's happening. And so it would be wrong headed to state or to think that he has no idea what he's doing or that he understands what's happening. He is on his own deciding to come and pay a debt for us. And I think that means something. Yes, you're right. It doesn't make sense. It's illogical. You and I wouldn't do it. But then again, neither you nor I or God or having the idea what it's like to be God. But he decided because there's no way to save us other than him doing it. And it's the old saying, if you want it, if you want anything done right, what do you have to do? You have to do it yourself. So that being the case, okay, now you went and read them. That's cool though. Brother, what is your name? Hey, Brother Grady. Brother Grady? Brother Grady, okay. But I'm using my studio login information to interact with you. Okay, okay. So now what was your issue? What was your contention? Yeah, but my contention is Rome, not Rome is, Hebrew chapter 10 verse 26 to 27. Okay. Now I know previously I've had heard you say that backsliding is not a possibility in the new covenant. But it seems like, and this is not to contradict you because I mostly believe what you believe. But I just need more clarification in Hebrew chapter 10 verse 26 and 27, which kind of does indicate a passage talking about backsliding and talking about how that could affect your person's salvation. Okay, cool, no problem. So it says for, let me fix something also. Let me, you know what, hold on one second. I'm gonna fix something on this screen because let's see if I can do, if I can, let me say the country wait. If and then I can do this on the fly. Hold on one, you know what? Yeah, let me, I'm gonna fix something on the fly. All right, now what I'm gonna do and I can't, I can't do that either. That was dumb of me. That was dumb of me. Anyway, I'm sorry. I tried to get it to where it would show, it would take my face off so it'd be bigger screen, but that's too much work and I can go back behind the scenes. So anyway, let's go ahead and go to it. Hebrews 10, 26, for if we go on sinning willfully after receiving the knowledge of the truth, there no longer remains a sacrifice for sin, but a terrifying expectation of judgment and the fury of a fire which will consume the adversaries. Now, I think it's important to understand one who he's talking to, he's speaking to these Jews who are faithful in Christ, who have placed their faith in Messiah. Now, when a writer writes to a collective audience, he does not intend for the entirety of the audience to be saved. So there's why virtually every book that we can think of, especially in all the letters, the epistles that are into churches, and in this case to this group, then there necessarily has to be somebody there who is not saved, who's gonna hear this letter. There's not a book in the Bible that was written with the intention of them saying that everybody that's hearing is a believer. Although the only way you can do it is collectively address the believers, but these believers that are being addressed are specific believers. These are particular believers. These are believers who happen to be of a Jewish descent. And their issue is coming out of Judaism and accepting Jesus as their Messiah, that part they have. The issue is you've got a history of doing things a certain way, the atonement. And the reason why it is lingering to them is because the same way the atonement was carried out then is how it's carried out now, except with different elements, different high priests, different scapegoat, different sacrifice. But still, there needs to be this year, after year, after year thing. That's all they know. There has to be a day of atonement. There has to be the subsequent offerings throughout the year when I sin, either intentional or unintentional, those things, and so the writer brings those things up. And so, so far, let me ask you a question. Are you tracking with me? I'm tracking, so your approach is coming from more of a historical lens. Now, could you apply verse 2026 itself to a believer who backslid or could you extract that truth and apply it there as well? Okay, I see, okay. So in this passage, if we go on sinning, the person goes on sinning, or it says for if someone is sinning, if there's a sinning one who is willfully, this is the word, so someone who's sinning willfully, in other words, what is this person? This person, especially in this Jewish lens, is the person's whatever about the atonement. I'm gonna do what I want to do, and guess what? How did the Jews, how did many of the Jews, most of the Jews, in the Old Testament, the Old Covenant, how do they act? They willfully sin even in spite of these offerings, even in spite of the day of atonement. And so what you're doing is you're kind of thumbing your nose at the offering that God has made. And so what you're doing is you're taking this thing that God has done, this shedding of blood, and you're treating it as a cheap thing, which is why he says, continuing, if we read a little bit more, verse 29 says, how much severe punishment do you think he will deserve who has trampled underfoot the Son of God and has regarded as unclean the blood of the Covenant? In other words, this blood that he gave wasn't some cheap thing, but you have disregarded the trampled underfoot, and so you have disregarded what he's given you, yet you wanna continue living in your sin. Well, I don't think that's a person, and I don't think we should consider that to be a person who was ever saved to begin with. And I think what happens sometimes is we think that because if I'm addressing the entirety of the group, that everyone that's hearing is a believer, even though this person does not resemble a believer, this person doesn't act like one, doesn't look like one, doesn't talk like one, but now, or he might think that he's one and he's not. But if a person is in this lifestyle, this habit of willfully sinning without care or regard to what has happened, then it'd be hard for that person to be considered a believer. Are you with me so far? What do you think about what I just said? I definitely understand what you're saying. The only pushback I'm gonna give is when you mention that person may or may not be a believer, the text itself does say that after we have received, I'm reading from an NIV version, by the way, I'm sorry, after we have received the knowledge of the truth. So that kind of implies that that person has been saved or believed or came into the faith to some capacity. Okay, so let's go over then. After, it says after metatalabane, which is after receiving tain epigonosin, which is after receiving the knowledge of the truth. Is it possible that a person can receive the knowledge of the truth and not be saved? They understand it. For example, what's the guy? He's a famous Greek scholar of, oh, Lord, I've got his face in mind, but I can't think. Bartirman, Bartirman, famous Greek scholar, who is an atheist, he is or atheist or agnostic, not sure what he is, he's not a Christian. Does he know the truth? Has he received the truth? Yeah. Okay, would we say that he's a Christian? I can say that he's an apostate. Okay, and now there are atheists, people who have never, ever, ever, ever proclaimed any faith in Christ, but they have received the truth. You gave them the gospel, they understood it. All right, but I reject it. Would we say that person has received the truth? Oh, I see what you're saying. Oh, okay. So you're not limiting knowledge of the truth to just believers, not to refer to unbelievers as well, am I hearing you? Yeah, throughout scripture, Old Testament and New Testament, there are people who hear the truth and just reject it, or who hear the truth and say, you know what, that kind of makes sense. Let me think about it, but never come around. Or who hear the truth and say, yeah, okay, whatever. Or who hear the truth? Oh, dang, yeah, okay, oh, okay, it makes sense. It makes sense now. Matter of fact, can I, a good picture of this is, where is it at? Where is it at? Point. That's a good point, Bartirman. Let's go to Luke real quick. Let's go to Luke chapter eight. But the only, go ahead. And that's a good point, Cory. I do have a pushback because the Bible does speak about that in the last days, many should fall out the face. So. Can I last part again? I believe, I believe it's important. I'm sorry, I'm sorry. The reason why I could not hear you, I'm an idiot. I've got my volume over here, Lola. I'm sorry, I apologize. Say that again, though. Yeah, so I agree with that interpretation. That's definitely insightful. But my only pushback is, Cory, is that, I believe in 2 Timothy it says that many shall fall out the faith in the last days. So. Okay, let's go to it. Let's go to that also. Let's go to that first. Let's go to 2 Timothy 4. Or is it first or second? I can't remember. First Timothy, first Timothy. First Timothy 4. Okay, but the spirit explicitly says that in the latter times, some will fall away from the faith. Now, tell me your name again one more time. I don't remember it. Oh, my name is Grady. Great, okay. So here's a question. You would agree that there's a difference between a noun and a verb, right? Yes. A noun, for some of you all who aren't smart Christians who might be visiting for the first time, a noun is a person, a person plays or a thing. Proper noun, name of a person plays or a thing. But a verb is an action, right? So. Yes. So that's just what he says here, but the spirit explicitly says that in latter times, some will fall away from, and then it is taste pistols, which is the faith. So they're falling away from the noun versus falling away from believing or having faith. They're not falling away from having faith, they're falling away from the faith. In other words, the faith is what? How will we describe the faith? The faith is this noun is what we believe. Are you with me? The faith, the report. People are moving away from that. So, well, what are we seeing more and more today? More and more people are rejecting what you and I believe. Right. More and more people have, there's a hostility towards it, they've heard it. They may have seen it in school, went to church and saw it, but folks are rejecting it, they are moving away, they are falling away from this faith from what we believe, not from having faith, because we don't have a verse that speaks of anyone falling away from the verb, falling away from having faith or having believing. They may fall away from the belief, the faith, the report. Are you with me? And so that's all it's saying. And so we're seeing signs of it now. How bad is it gonna get? I imagine a lot worse than it is right now. But you would not have imagined, I'm not sure how old you are. You don't sound like a spring chicken, you sound like you maybe coach my age thereabouts. Or you might be 20 with a mature voice, I'm not sure. But if we go back 40, 50, 60 years, a lot of people called themselves Christians, now whether they were or not, that's a different story, but a lot of people, I'm a good Christian person and so forth and now it's different. Now people who even used to be friendly with the faith are hostile to the faith. So from the noun thing, so when you mean the faith, are you referring to the lifestyle of Christ, just the fruit of the spirit? Are you referring to the way of Christ? Am I understanding right? No, I'm not talking about the way they live. No, I'm talking about the belief. The noun part is what we know. Everything that we know, the report. Are you with me? In Romans 10, there's a famous passage that gets misunderstood because the English, the English does a disservice that says that now faith comes by hearing and hearing. We hear that ING and we think, oh, that's a verb. So faith comes by us audibly hearing, but that's not what the passage says. The passage says faith comes by the report, I co-ace, which is a noun, faith comes by the report. And so what we're talking about the report is if you were to describe what a Christian is, how we're saved, that's the faith, that's the noun. But now, if you were to describe what it takes to be a Christian that is believing, that's the verb part. So the verb part is believing the noun part. People are going to fall away from the noun part. Not, because we don't have one record, one account, or even anyone telling us that someone has or will fall away from the verb. There's not one example of someone believing and then later on, they stop believing. Now, there is a, I'm sorry, there is this superficial mental ascent sort of belief where I understand what you're talking about and maybe even may have felt something emotionally for the moment, which is why I was gonna go to Luke eight. Luke eight is giving the story of the parable of the sower and the seeds. And they wanna figure out, well, wait a second, Jesus, what does this mean? And he talks about it, let's go to chapter eight verse. Let's start in, you know what? Rather than going through the story, let's go through the understanding of the explanation. The explanation is this, now the parable is this. The seed is the word of God. The seed is the word of God, so we hear the word. Those beside the road are those who have heard, then the devil comes and takes away the word from their heart so that they will not believe and be saved. The word for believe is a present active participle, so they won't be believing because a Christian is described as someone who is in a state of believing. This participle, they are in a state, they enter into a one time and enter into a state of continual believing. That's what a parable is in English and that's what it is in Greek. And so he says, the devil comes, takes the word from their heart so that they won't, or in order that they will not be believing or believing ones and be saved. Those on the rocky soil are those who, when they hear, receive the word with joy and these have no firm root. They just heard it, no firm root. They believe for a while, but now the deal is, this isn't the same as what we're talking about. This isn't a present active participle. This is the indicative, so at the moment they're believing or they believed for a while and in time of temptation they fall away. Now, so they understand the report. They get it. You know what that makes sense? Good stuff. It's kind of, you know what it's like? It's like Medea. That kind of, you know what Medea is? It's the character Medea believes and understands, but it's not a believer. It's not believing. Then it says, verse 14, the seed which fell among the thorns, these are the ones who have heard and as they had gone on their way are choked with the worries and riches and pleasures of this life and bring no fruit to maturity. But then look at this, but the seed in the good soil, these are the ones who have heard the word in an honest and good heart and hold it fast and bear fruit with perseverance. So it's selling the ones that actually saved are this latter ones. They receive it with a good heart and they did so with perseverance. Now, the key to it is, and here's the key to it though, the good heart, the good heart part is not on us. That's on him because all of us can, you know what that makes sense and I can believe it for a minute, but it doesn't do anything for me. So our heart has to be changed, which is why Jesus makes a statement that we have to be born again or born from above. Our heart has to be regenerated, which is what the prophecy was always going to say. Well, from back to back from Deuteronomy to Jeremiah, Ezekiel, Hosea. The prophets are speaking of what God is gonna do in the future to our hearts. And then Jesus says, yeah, that's what's happening. That's what's happening. Now he's touching our hearts. Peter says, all of us that are believers, we have been caused to be born again, happy to have a new heart. Paul tells the Titus that we are saved by the washing and regeneration that's born from above for our hearts. So the good heart is given to us by God. Without it, we can believe for a hot second. And then the moment something happens, we move away. Well, those were not actual believers. However, the problem is, and this what happens here, they look like believers. Mary, I hope there's no one in audience named Mary, but I'm just using your name. Mary looked like she was saved. I mean, she cried when she came down to the altar and professed her faith in Christ, looked like it. And for about a week or two weeks, I mean, she was just, she was serving meals to the poor. She was out passing track. And then next week, the following week, the following month, she's back in the club. She's doing drugs again. She's been with all kinds of people, me and anyone. But what happened, Mary? Ah, that ain't for me. That ain't for me. Well, it looked like it. And so sometimes we kind of get ourselves in a pickle by trying to go off of what something looks like. The day that Peter denied Jesus, and then for the next day or two after that, he didn't look like he was saved. And then those like Simon the sorcerer, he looked like he was saved until Peter shows up and said, no, no, you're not. You're on your way to help. You're gonna get yourself right. And so we go with looks. The only person that knows if you're saved will actually be you, yourself, and God who has changed the heart. Well, the heart is what? That's the good ground that the word falls on. So is that the reason why it's only God who's able to separate the weeds and the tears? Is he himself only know? I'm sorry, go ahead. And also, so based upon your exit, Jesus, so is it safe to say a true born again or a spirit filled Christian is someone who perseveres ultimately? Yeah, yeah, he is, now his heart wants to do so. Wow. I don't know how we say that even in sports, we can find a person who says he has no heart. Yeah, he has no heart in boxing, he has no heart in football, basketball, whatever. He has no heart. I mean, there's nothing in him that wants him to kind of persevere. Well, once your heart has been changed, now you do have a heart that wants to continue. You can fall, you know, I'm gonna keep going. You can have this issue, but I'm gonna keep going. Whereas these other people that Jesus inscribed in Luke 8, they have no heart whatsoever. Because as he says, the word didn't fall on good heart. And that's how a lot of us, we see a lot of people like that and they just, they have no heart whatsoever. Well, that's a Jesus' work. Now what God has done though, he says, you know what, I'm gonna give everybody. Now this is where I make different problems from my Calvinistic friends, but I'm gonna give everybody a shot. Anybody that wants to come, come on. And I believe that nobody is going to come. Because it's, or we might come and look like it, but eh, whatever, I got stuff to do. I'll tell you what, Jesus, I'll get with you tomorrow. But today, now, well, again, because we have seen people in the Bible who believed for a moment, but then stuff happens. In the Old Testament, the moment God left their presence, what do they do? They're just partying. They're popping the corks on the champagne. They're doing all kind of crazy stuff. Get themselves in trouble. God shows up. We're sorry, Lord. We apologize. We'll be good. And then His presence leaves again. No more miracles, what have you? Because we, in the Bible, we see these miracles happening and we think they were banned right after the next one, after the next one. And they're really not. They are sometimes apart. Some of them are back to back, but in many cases, they're sometimes apart. And every time it's God showing Himself to get them to follow them. But in the meantime, what they had in the Old Testament that we don't have now is they have these offerings throughout the year they can have on their own or plus the day of atonement. So that's why they have a different thing, but now we don't have these offerings or the day of atonement because what was done was final and complete, which is why Jesus makes these statements. However, He also puts out these warnings just in case you're one of those people like Mary we were talking about, who you think you're saved and you're not. He says to examine yourself, make sure, because when I come back to do my final roll call, you better be sure there's gonna be judgment for those folks who are not. But that's the thing, Corey, because one of my biggest fear of believing in one's life always save as a leader is you kind of throwing an expectation to, especially immature believers that they can live whatsoever and expect God's grace to just cover them. To me, that's the biggest frightening news about one's life always save. It's just that implication that you can. Well, but you addressed it though. What do you say about it? You literally addressed that. You said when you brought up the passage, this Hebrews 10, 26, these are people who are, they don't care. Well, you know what I'm saying? The Lord knows my heart. Wait a second, you are treating His blood as some sort of cheap thing. No, you can't do that as a matter, because remember, these are people who have no heart. These are people who, their heart isn't for the Lord, at least not at this moment. There are, now, there's a fine line between, at least for us to tell, because we're still fight out human beings and we judge things the way, you know, like human beings would do some, most cases the wrong way. But the person who is saved and is struggling and the person who isn't saved and is living how they want to live, sometimes the two look just alike. Sometimes both of these people are just alike, and so trying to differentiate the two can be difficult. Only God and only, and only you know. Here I am, I'm sinning or I've sinned. Only I know, ultimately, am I really struggling with this? Does it bother me? Versus, man, I did this sin and whatever. The Lord forgives me. He knows my heart. I mean it, there's no repentance in you. When a person is a believer, he is naturally repentant. It just bothers him. When he sins, I hate that. I hate what I had to do. He hates raising his voice at his wife or his kids. He hates, even, I don't wanna do this. I don't, Lord, help me. I'm struggling, right? If there is no tension between you and sin, it's because you are in sin. And so a person who might, and sometimes a person might look like they're in sin, and then people look back and think that, wait a second, this guy, but then we might realize it wasn't like the guy was sinning every day. We saw this sin on March the 1st, and then June 15th, we see another sin. Well, that's quite a bit of time in between there's a struggle. And so my question to everyone else that talks about, well, hey, people that live in sin, be careful because which of your sins have you gotten rid of when the time that you die? Well, there's a lot of sin that you still have in you. And every last one of those sins, especially if you're in the 70s, 80s, 90s, whatever, when your first time sinning, you've been doing that same sin for a long time, maybe not as bunched together, but spread over time. And so maybe over 90 years, you've committed sin eight 157 times. Well, is that habitual? Well, it's not the habitual part of it. It's the non habitual repentant part of it. Where I sin, I struggle, and does it bother me? Are you with me? And then sometimes you sin, feel bad, and fix a sin with another sin. So we are goofy creatures, but the Bible says now into him who was able to keep us from falling, he didn't mean like internal stumbling with sin, but falling, that's Jesus. And so it's not to say that he can, but he won't. He can keep us from falling, but I can do it, but I won't. It's like, you know how we used to do, I can beat you in the race, but I don't feel like it. I can do this, but I won't do it. Well, that's us, not God. God will, he will do exactly what he said he's gonna do. And his promise was to keep us until the very end. Yeah. Well, thank you so much, Corey. It's been a big blessing. Oh, wait a second. I'm sorry, there was one part I wanted to address though. Anybody, because you're right, there is the concern that these people are we giving them license to go and live how they want to live and live how they, and just sin? Well, neither you nor I nor anyone else needs a license to sin. Well, you know, if we want, if we want to sin, we'll sin. We won't do it because we think we can live how we want to live. There are people who believe that you can lose your salvation and sin just as much people who believe that you cannot. And so neither one of them is the reason why, the reason why is their, is their heart, their unrepentant heart. But, I would say this, if a person believes in internal security, how you understand that you are, that's what Paul says, even to us, examine yourself and in view of your salvation work. So we should be working, we should be moving like someone who cares about pleasing God. If I don't care about pleasing God, and all I know is the indication, I'm not saying. No matter how many times I do like this and pray and whatever, and cry and church, that many thing. If I don't care what he cares about, if it doesn't bother me to sin, well then there's an indication there. Right, right. Thank you so much, Corey. It's just been really, really insane. Much blessings to you, man. See you next time. Thank you, brother. Hopefully next time, I'll see you, brother. All right. All right, ladies and gentlemen, let's see if until someone, I don't have anyone else that is wanting to come on. Now, listen guys, if I know what's gonna happen, I know what's gonna happen. Somebody's gonna say, Corey this, Corey that, and well, here's the link, guys. So if you want to come on in, then come on, ask your questions in the meantime. Let me just find, let me see if, now by the way, if you don't wanna come on, but there are some questions, like always, put a big ol' gigantic cue or question in the deal, and so I can see. So what's the, what's the determinant of a true believer thinking they won't inherit eternity if they don't continue? It seems the person will just live holy, follow the spirit, does God have an issue with that? Oh, I see what you're saying. So if a person, so here's a point. Let's say if eternal security is true, I believe it is, but a person doesn't believe it's true and they live their lives guarding their salvation, what will happen? Well, they'll still go to heaven. They'll still inherit eternal salvation. Here's the problem. How are you gonna live? You're gonna live guilty? Because remember what Hebrews was talking about is one of the things that the Jews had, there were these guilt offerings. I'm feeling bad. I'm feeling bad, Lord, here you go. So you don't have to have that. You don't have to have this insecurity. You can have confidence, which is why he says this is a confidence that we have and that we can approach him with boldness, like you're my father. And I understand I messed up. My kids know this one thing or they should know this one thing. I told my kids this. I said, listen, let me tell you something. This is me. This is me sounding like my father. Me sounding like my father, Jimmy Minor. So y'all pardon me if this sounds a little bit streetish or hootish, but you get the point. The one thing you don't have to do is ever lie to me. You don't have to ever worry about feeling bad. You don't ever have to worry about someone looking down on you. You can mess up every day. I'm still your father. I'm gonna love you. You ain't ever got to lie to him. Don't lie to me. Don't think that I'm gonna sell you out. I'm the only person in the world. I'm the only man in the world, human man, that wants to see you do great and even greater than me. So you don't have to ever lie to me. You don't have to do anything. I'm here for you. I see your mess ups. I see how I know you're not where you ought to be. I know you're not where you want to be. You don't have to put on errors or performance for me. That's how it is as us as believers. And so that child can have a confidence to come to me, daddy, listen, I need this, I'm bad at whatever. I asked one of my daughters. I said, you didn't have any money. Do you need some money? And she didn't want to ask that, but she had just gotten paid. Okay, well, all right, why don't you ask some money? But you can come to me. This is what I'm here for. I'm here for you to come and ask for something for me to say, don't go on it and then give it to you anyway. That's what I'm here for. If you got a problem, me and your mom are where the ones that come to. Well, same thing with God. So we can have this confidence. Cause you know what happens when you sin? What happens? Tell me if I'm not the only person that this happens to. When you sin, there is a natural inclination. It's with us, it's with our children. It's even with our pets. If you sin, the natural inclination is to hide from the thing that you may have sinned against because you don't want to, you don't want them to catch you to see your shame. The dog puts his head down, his tail down and moves away. Same thing with us. We sin, what's the thing that we tend to not want to do? Pray, go to our Bibles. I don't feel worthy. I feel dirty. That's not, that's the problem. Now you'll still get eternal security. You'll still make it to heaven. But you live the life ragging. You live the life struggling. You're right, Orange. It's a yuck feeling. It's a yuck feeling and the enemy's gonna tell you, yeah, look what you, now after a while, hopefully not too long, you'll come back. But when you sin, when you mess up, you go to him. Lord, I'm sorry, Lord, fix me. I'm just, I'm just no good. I'm thankful that you're so good. It happens. I told you guys about the cruise and my wife and I went on and we paid for stuff that we didn't have any business paying for. Come to find out, come to find out. This stuff was already paid for. We could have enjoyed that trip. It was a good trip. But it could have been a thousand times better if we didn't have to come out the pocket as much. So, now let me just say this, George. You said we should repent when we sin. Repentance is an attitude. It's not a thing. It's not a doing. Repentance is, it's a fallen state in you that recognizes I'm just no good. I'm just messed up. We see that coming out in Paul. Paul says, oh, wretched man, that I am. And so that's a repentant attitude. If you have that attitude, well, guess what happened? You don't have to do something to fix your sin. You just have to, you just, because of your state, you are just, I'm sorry. And so, and by the way, the repentant part and 1689 said it, God is the one that grants that. He grants that in us. And so that's a part of our hearts being, I always do like this. I don't know why I would do like the heart did like that. I don't know why I do that. I need to stop that. I should go the other way. So now instead of me doing like this, I'll go this way. But the heart is something that he does. And then you just live in it. How can people who don't believe in internal security be saved? They are not fully trusting. Well, remember, and here's what I would say. That's a good, I'll go on it, if I can fix this. That's a good answer. I mean, it's a good question. Here's the deal. Wait a second. Why do I see your face over there but over here is something different? I don't know what that is. I gotta fix my, maybe it's my software. But we are saved not by what we know. We are saved by who we know. It's not an intelligence competition. So there are some things that this person knows that this person doesn't know. Both know Jesus though. And so I might grow to know that later on. When I place my faith in Christ, I believe that you can do salvation. I'm no more saved now than I was then. Although some people want to doubt the fact that I am saved, which is fine. Which is fine. I'll have a word for that in the future. But the problem that Jesus has even with his disciples who are saved. The problem that the Lord has even with these people in Hebrews who are saved. The problem that he has with other people. Remember in all these books, we have two things that are there. One, God's election, his choosing in every book of the New Testament except for Philomon and Third John. And in all of those we have him comforting people saying what he is going to do. Why is that? Because God knows that just like with the disciples, I've got to comfort them. Remember, Jesus is getting ready to pardon. What does he say? Let not your heart be troubled. I'm going away to prepare a place for you. If I'm going to prepare a place for you, guess what? I'm coming back for you. You don't have to worry. Don't listen, I'll be back. Trust me, trust me. So because of that, we see it in John. We see it in Romans. We see it in Corinthians. We see it in Hebrews. We see it in Philippians. The confidence that Paul says he has that he, God, who began a good work in us, he will complete it. Well, why is he telling us that? Because people can, I'm not sure. Because think about it, you decide to do something. You know good and well that it's going to take a while for you to complete what is you're going to do. You know this is a task that's going to take some time. But in the meantime, even though you know that hey, this might take a month to do, or let me give you a better example. I got to lose some weight. I want to get in shape. How long is it going to take me? Well, I know if I start on Monday, Wednesday I'm not going to be in shape. But what happens in between all the times is going to take me some months to get in shape. What's going to happen in between the time you start and those months of getting in shape? What's going to happen? You're going to get discouraged. You are going to get discouraged. Because you're going to look like, I don't look like it. I don't look like it. I look like I've been eating milk duds all day long. I look like I've been just drinking a vat of chocolate. Then there are some days when you feel better. Like with our walk, there are some times I just I don't know, man. Well, guess what that is? That is the fact that you have a repentant heart that God has given you this desire to not want to sin. But guess what? God gave you what you need internally, but he didn't take away something externally. That's your flesh. Why? Why did he still leave him with that flesh? Well, because some folks out there who need to be able to see you and your flesh, that you have made it and you're going closer to him. And so you can say, hey, you, you that's been doing drugs, well, I was too. Follow me. I know what tracks and arm look like. I know what this looks like. I know that smell. I know that burnt pipe smell. I know the telltale signs of someone who's struggling with this porn addiction. Me too, I used to too. Come on with me. Follow me. The person who's been born a billionaire, a child of a billionaire, and someone who's been on the other side of the tracks in the slums, it's going to be harder for that person to follow him. Unless he just, hey, give me, I give you a million dollars to follow Christ, right? Other than that, he ain't following them. It's, well, I shouldn't say it won't follow him, but it's just harder to identify. And so God will allow you to go through what you go through because there's some people that need to identify with what you're identifying with. That's why I say, let your light so shine that men will see your good works, see how you're living, and then glorify God. Amen. All right, let's go to some of these quest Jones. By the way, put a big old gigantic cube. Man, I was sitting there hoping. I was hoping. Here I am worried that it's going to be crazy. We get one good person in tells the conversation. Well, I shouldn't, I shouldn't, I shouldn't be too bothered though. I shouldn't be too bothered. And right on cue, right on cue, this, this, this demonic cat wants to come in. Anyway, Charles says, the spirit clearly says that in the latter time, some will abandon the faith and follow the seeding spirits and things taught by demons. Amen. Oh, this cat, this cat, this cat needs a boy. We're thinking about getting another cat. Thinking about getting another cat because he needs a buddy like it ain't nothing. This cat is, one saved, always saved came from John Calvin's to really, that's not true. Don't do that. Don't do that. By the way, you got a good bald head on your picture, but other than that though, no bueno. Devonte, my friend, he says, I haven't been fruitful as of yesterday and today's been in the flesh and questioning if the spirit changed my heart. If I am not saved, why do I care? If say, what should I do? Keep doing what you're doing, Devonte. Keep doing what you're doing. You listen, if anybody of all the people on this channel that certainly has a repentant heart is you. You have a repentant heart like nobody in the history of mankind, that's a good thing. I know for a fact in talking with you the times I've talked with you, you are bothered by sin. Let me just put pause, mute this thing and tell these people, come get this cat. You can let the cat in. I'm pretty sure the cat wants to use the bathroom in here. And the cat, by the way, has been getting a little honor, y'all. I don't know what's wrong. I think he's got an attitude because he's been using the bathroom. He's got a bunch of cat litter and he's not covering up. I think he's protested. He's protesting that orange lives matter. I guess that's what it is. Anyway, can you talk about Galatians 524? Is that about, I actually have a video on that because someone asked about that. If that's not about salvation, I'll come back to it because I was actually gonna cover Galatians 5 for, okay, it relates. Now, those who belong to Christ Jesus have crucified the flesh with its passions and desires. Well, is it on the screen? What does that mean? To crucify the flesh, what are you doing? You are kind of subjugating. You're trying to bring it under control. Where that happens, you're not literally crucified in the flesh. You're not bad flesh, bad core. You're not doing that. You're not harming yourself when you sin or when you think about it. So you're not doing that. But what you do are, what you're doing, yeah, it's denying it. And where that comes from is internally. I said, I'm not gonna do this anymore. I said, I'll do this, you do this or you do this with the heart. Your heart has been changed. And so because of it, you are taking steps to not do that. The first step that you take in doing that is to what? Go closer to him, draw closer to him. And then, well, how do you do that, Corey? Keep on talking about drawing closer. How do you do that? Well, one of the ways you do so is by reading, by praying, by fellowshiping. And I'm gonna come to the Smart Christians channel. That, I can't help but believe that helps. I just can't help but believe that helps. So, by the way, and let me just say this, I don't know, I haven't seen the rest of them guys, but make sure that if you're asking questions that your questions only pertain to this. Edith Sally says, why don't you invite late, why don't you invite late and flowers to your channel? This one saved, always saved doctrine is the most dangerous doctrine out here. Well, guess what? Late and flowers believe in internal security. But I am gonna try to have him on though. I'm gonna try to have him on. But late and flowers believe in internal security. How it happens is different than maybe how I would see so, how others would see so. But he believes in internal security. But my question is why is it the most dangerous doctrine? Are you telling me that he doesn't believe in internal security? Okay, don't go on it. Let's do this here. Let's move this over here. Let's go to, let's put this over here. Let's figure something out. And let's type in, soteriology101, eternal, there it is. I would say, and listen, I might be wrong, but type in one, say probably saved under soteriology, soteriology101, go listen to it. You said you check with him or check with him? I mean, I'll check with him. It does kind of, I think so too, but he does absolutely, but matter of fact, let me just, let me see if I can put this word I do that. If I can go to this one, if I can add another one right here, if I can make this, where's it at? Am I on it? And if I can make this, let's just see. There it is. Let's make, oh no, that's not it. Okay, let's make this. What am I looking at? Safari, soteriology, all right, there it is. There it is. Now the cat wants to get out. Let's just click on it. Give me, if I have not replied to one of your messages, it's not because I don't want. And so there's the already and the not yet that's a part of that process. And so some of the differences that I think that we have as seologians are more semantical differences relating to what we are talking about from our vantage point as people who are limited in our language and our way of describing something. And so we, the point of contention if you will, is can you leave your salvation? And some might be surprised to hear me answer that with yes, and hear me out first because I don't mean it probably the way that you think I mean it. Layton flowers, you can lose salvation, you're wrong. I thought I heard him say before that you could not. Which is fine, which is fine. That makes him wrong. That makes him wrong. And I'll try to have him on. We can leave our salvation. And again, I'd ask Layton or you Edith, give me one example and please don't give me the argument from silence. Well, because no one ever did it. Well, fine then. Because no one ever in the Bible, the Bible never causing anyone leaving their salvation. Then it's an argument of, yeah, at least he's consistent. Then if that's an argument from silence, I've heard people say that, well then I can fly. I can get so much Holy Spirit in me that I can fly. The Bible didn't say I can't. The Bible does not say that I can't fly if I get enough Holy Spirit in me. Give me example of someone in the Bible flying. I can't, but that's an argument from silence. So anyway, and where are you leaving? So Mr. Flowers or anyone else? I'm not saying that he is. Maybe I'm not hearing him all the way through. So I won't actually impugn him. But Edith, aren't we told that sheep won't leave? Aren't we told that sheep keep following? Aren't we told that a stranger that a sheep simply will not follow? Which means they will not leave the shepherd but will flee from him? Isn't that what we're told? So, Katrina, which verse are you speaking of, sweetheart? You gotta tell me which verse you're talking about. And I like how Robert put it, if you could leave it, if you could leave it, you didn't have it. I agree, I agree. Brooklyn Lou is ever the skeptic. I think Brooklyn Lou, I think you just, you know, I really think Brooklyn, maybe you want to be a believer so bad you just, I need a good argument to convince me. I'm not sure if I'm the one, but what'd you say? If you do not forgive others, their sins, your father will not forgive you. Forgiveness is conditional here. Christians, not immune from unforgiveness so they can lose their salvation. Well, what does he say? So if a person is not forgiven, now, how soon does a person have to forgive? You slap me. I can promise you the moment you slap me, I'm not forgiven at that very moment. Now, let's go take some time. Maybe five seconds, I'll forgive you. Which is pretty quickly, maybe 15 seconds. Maybe in an hour, I'll forgive you. Maybe in a day, I'll forgive you. Maybe in a week, I will forgive you. But now, so what's Jesus' point? You need to understand this. He keeps describing what sheep are. Sheep don't go around being unforgiving, okay? Now, your issue, your issue, Brooklyn Lou, is not this issue here. Your issue is that you be forgiven by Christ. All right, let me go ahead and start answering some of these questions. Oh, God, I was hoping to get some. Remember, if anyone disagrees, there's a few in the chat so I'll disagreeing. Let me put the, let me just say it again. Well, actually, it's already there. So I don't have to do this again. Let's do this. Can I copy this? Can I, let me, if I can put this back in here. So if anyone wants to, there it is. If anyone wants to come on, just send me an email, I'll bring you on. In the meantime, let's answer some questions. Revelation 229 tells us, thank you for believing me, good brother, brother George. This is George, oh, hey. Revelation 2219 tells us, if anyone takes away from the word of God, God shall take his part away. Now this is out of the tree of life, not the book of life, but anyway, let's go there to Revelation 22. I'm gonna ask you a question, my brother. So I think you make a good point, but I think I want, I wanna hear you kinda work your way through this point. Couple of things. And if anyone, and if anyone takes away from the words of this book, of this prophecy, God will take away his part from the tree of life and from the holy city which are written in this book. Couple of things. He's speaking of this book, of the book of this prophecy. He's likely referring to just his revelation, just the book of revelation, but let's just apply it to the entirety of the Bible. What kind of person would do that? Disciple, what kind of person would do that? Would you say that is a person who has a holy spirit in them? Would a person with the spirit, would a person with the holy spirit do that? Your answer is going to be no, clearly a person with the holy spirit would not do that. Clearly a person with the holy spirit won't do that. Correct. And so since a sheep won't do that, since a non-believer would, but a sheep wouldn't, then he, cause are Christians the only one that could try to take away the words of this prophecy? No, anybody could. Matter of fact, matter of fact, look around a day, who do we see? Think about this for a second, not just you, you disciple, but everyone else. I'm calling you disciple, because I don't know if it's George or Jorge, but who do we see that are taking away from the Bible? Non-Christians? No, this is what the Bible means. It's what it says, or that book that belonged, this below, non-Christians. They're not gonna get it anyway. So what the issue is, again, what does he call us? And this is the question that I would ask you guys. Remember, this is a promise that I'm putting on the screen. God is saying I will give them one heart in one way, that they may fear me always for their own good and for the good of their children and after them. I will make an everlasting covenant with them that I, look what he says, I will not turn away from them to do them good and I will put the fear of me in their hearts so that they will not turn away from me. My question is, anyone that disagrees with me so far on internal security? You got two people here. I want to see if y'all can get this figured us out. You got two people. This person is God, this person is us. God, us. God has said, and I'll make him a little bit bigger. God has said he's not gonna turn away. And then he says that we are not gonna turn away. So if we don't turn away and God doesn't turn away, well then what's gonna happen? We'll still be with each other, right? The only other option, there is another option. If God doesn't turn away and we don't turn away, the only other option is someone to come and snatch us. Oh, by the way, where are we? We're literally in his hand. So if that's the case, okay. Eden says, bless your heart, Eden says, you're trying to, Eden says, read it again. I hope you weren't twisting a question. In terms of the question of the scriptures I just read. If you're talking about the scripture, let's put it back up again. He says, I will make an everlasting covenant with them. I will not turn away from them to do them good. And I will put the fear of me in their hearts so that they will not turn away from me. What else is left? Now, I would love for someone who disagrees with my take, exegiate that passage. If anyone, I'm asking you guys to do this. If you disagree with what I'm saying, exegiate that passage. Tell me what that passage means. Well, if, if what? Well, if you keep, if you keep walking, if you keep continuing, you have to keep continuing. You have to keep this, you have to keep that. Well, he just says, he eliminates the if from anywhere. The if is taken away because he says, when he puts his spirit in us, we will not. Sounds to me like you're saying he's forcing us to love him. I wouldn't care. And I'm not trying to be rude, but so what? Yeah. Does that matter? In the grand scheme of things, Ms. Edith. Would that matter? If that got you to heaven? If he forced you to do anything, force just violates me. I just, I feel so unclean to think about being forced to do anything. So you said sounds to me. Think about, what would you say? Sounds to me that you are saying he's forcing us. I didn't say anything. I simply read, this is the problem, sweetheart. This is the problem. And you're not, you're not, I get it. I get it. You see something that you don't want to fight. Let me put the script back on screen for you. You tell me what it means. Missy poo. You tell me. You can say it's against Christ. So fine, fine. What does this passage mean? Let's do this. Cause I want to hear what you, what does this passage mean? So would you do us a favor? Don't type anything else about what you think I'm saying. Tell us what you think, what do you think he's saying in this passage? Please, we want to hear. Which passage, 1689? Where at in the song I have before, but where at in song 65? I've covered a lot of passages. So, yeah, I call it Missy Poo. Uh-oh. Okay, she said it without the fur. Okay, so you want me to read all of this? All right, don't go on it. I'll go to Jeremiah 32. Remember, remember, this is coming off of Edith, off of Jeremiah 31. Which by the way, you're saying it sounds like I'm, it sounds like I'm saying this, where you can't say what I'm saying if I'm right or wrong if you don't have the benefit of the passage with you, but I'll go ahead and read it anyway. Now therefore, I'm starting in 36. This is coming off of him speaking about what the New Covenant is going to entail. You realize what he says is gonna happen in the New Covenant. In the New Covenant, he says that he's depositing his spirit and it's gonna cause them to love him and be his people. And it's not just the Jews, it's the Gentile that he's gonna call these people as well. But now he says, Now therefore thus says the Lord of Israel concerning the city of which you say it is given into the hand of the king, the king of Babylon by sword, by famine, by pestilence. Behold, I will gather them out of all the lands to which I have driven them in my anger, in my wrath and in great indignation. Yes, that's happened. And I will bring them back to this place and make them dwell in safety. Wait a second. He says, I will make them dwell in safety. Does make them dwell? Sounds like he's forcing them to dwell in safety, all right? Whatever, I think so. He is gonna do something to cause it to happen. I will make them dwell in safety. They shall be my people, it's gonna happen. And I will be their God, it's gonna happen. And I will give them one heart. That's what he's gonna do. I'm gonna give them one heart and one way that they may fear me always. He's gonna cause them to, I'm not being ugly either, just what I'm saying. And they will fear me always. They will fear for their own good and for the good of their children. I will make an everlasting covenant with them that I will not turn away from them. He will not turn away from us or them. I will not turn away from them to do them good. And I will put the fear of me. God will put the fear of God in their hearts so that they will not turn away from him, from me. I will rejoice over them to do them good and will faithfully plant them in this land with all my heart, with all my soul. For thus says the Lord, just as I brought all this great disaster on this people, so I'm going to bring on them all the good that I am promising them. And he will talk about his blessings and ultimate restoration. So I don't know any other way to take that. I just don't know any other way to take that other than what he says. So we've got to go with that. Wouldn't you agree? I would agree too. Thank you for agreeing. Okay, I'll cover this real quick. I just did a, actually I re-released an older video, one of this. In Hebrew 64 he says, and let's go to it, it keeps coming up, in Hebrew 64. And I think what happens is we see that if they fall away, it was like, well, if they fall away means that they can fall away. But notice what he says. For if for those who have once been enlightened and he's clearly talking about people who have had the Holy Spirit, been enlightened and have tasted the heavenly gift, these are believers, if a believer, if a believer has tasted the Holy, been enlightened and have been made partaken with the Holy Spirit as a believer and this believer has tasted the good word of God and the powers of the age to come and then have fallen away. So if a believer has fallen away, look what he says. If that believer has fallen away, he said it is impossible to renew them again to repentance. So we focus on the, if they fall away without sometimes focusing on the, well, if it happens, they can't come back. Well, the Bible never teaches that. His point is, you're not gonna fall away. His point is that you have been saved because of this atonement, because atonement isn't happening again. And so if you fall away, that's it, that's it. So it's impossible now. If you believe that it's, I'm more accepting of a person who believes that you can lose your salvation and you can never get it back. If you do, I'm more accepting of that than a person who says that you can lose it and get it back. Because this passage says that if you can lose it, you can't get it back. So let's ask some more questions. By the way, I can't tell you how disappointed I am. I was really hoping for something. I kind of, I was really hoping for some, I don't know what happened. I used to, I used to, it used to be when I put the link up, there was always, anyway, Neland says, first Corinthians 3, 15, please explain, first Corinthians 3, 15, I don't have it up there. So let's go over here. To my New Testament passage, first Corinthians. If any man's work is burned up, he will suffer loss, but he himself will be saved. Yeah, that's through fire. Let's go back further, let's go up a little further. Verse 10, according to the grace of God, which was given to me like a wise master builder, I laid a foundation and another is building on it. But each man must be careful how he builds on it. What we do, these are actions, but the actions are on top of the foundation, important. But each man must be careful how he builds on it for no man can lay a foundation other than the one which is laid, which is Jesus Christ. So by the way, no new apostles. Now, if any man builds on the foundation with gold, silver, precious stone, wood, hay, straw, each man's work will become evident. So clearly these are, some of these are valuable elements, some are not, some can be burned up, others cannot. Each man's work will become evident for the day, by the way, let's just be clear. There are gonna be some Christians who just, man, you made it to heaven like barely. You made it to heaven with three flat tires. If any man's work, I'm sorry, what I'll leave off at 13, each man's work will become evident for the day who'll show it because it has been revealed with fire. And the fire itself will test the quality of each man's work. If any man's work, which he has built on it remains, he will receive a reward. If any man's work is burned up, he will suffer loss, but he himself will be saved. Yet, so as through the fire. In other words, if a person is a believer, and I think your point is clear, Neland, if a person is a believer, a true believer, there are gonna be some things that we do, that we try. How we do it, what is the circumstances? In other words, these are identified as gold and precious stone versus what I use was just wood, hay, stuff, things that are burned by the fire. I'll suffer loss, but not loss of salvation. So yeah, I think that does make the point, Neland. I think it does. Okay, I'm looking around for this cat. Oh, there he is. He's over there in the chair, just sleeping on my shirt. I'm gonna have cat hair all over me. No, Judas was never saved. As a matter of fact, we know Judas was never saved because Jesus speaks about those who are, who he's claiming or have been cleansed and not all of you have been cleansed. And the Bible says clearly he's speaking about Judas, so Judas had never been cleansed, but the disciples have, so he was never saved. He was never a believer. What if you were saved and stepped out of the church and back into the world? Your salvation is still with you? What do you mean stepped out of the church? A believer does not walk away. Now, can a believer, can it look like a, can it look like? And that's what we do sometimes by how it looks, how it appears. Can it look like a person has stepped away? First of all, if it's a sheep, if it's a true sheep, what is Jesus gonna do with that true sheep? Bring him back. But what he's gonna do actually more than that, he's gonna guard the sheep. So there will be times where the person just, you look like you left, like my favorite example is Peter. Peter, you look like you walked away. Peter looked like you stepped away, but he didn't. And so that's the one thing, sometimes it might look that way, but a true believer or a person, like in the scripture you're talking about, if this person walks away and you, and the way I think you're saying it, that he walked away and left, that person's not a believer. That person's not a Christian. He might've looked like one. Had on the choir robes and so forth, paid his offering or in many cases, ties and offering, that means he was a Christian. That's why Jesus said that everyone who says to me, Lord, Lord, we've done all these things in your wonderful name. I looked like a Christian, and what does Jesus say? I never knew you. Never knew you. We don't have a passage where Jesus says, I used to know you. We were friends, what happened to you? We used to be so close. No, that such passage is not there. Micah Thomas says, explain, I'm sorry, I just heard some moving. Can you explain Luke 13, 22 to 24 in light of eternal security? So Luke 13, 22 to 24, is that what it was? Yeah. Okay, and Jesus, and he was passing through from one city and village to another, teaching and proceeding on his way to Jerusalem. And someone said to him, Lord, are there just a few who are being saved? And he said to them, strive to enter through the narrow door. For many, I tell you, will seek to enter and will not be able. So how do we view that in light of eternal security? So he says, will many, is it just gonna be a few that will be saved? Well, he answered, doesn't he? He's strive to enter through the narrow door. For many, I tell you, will seek to enter and will not be able. The other verse that will say that narrow is the gate and few are they that find it or difficult and few are they. So a few, now I don't know what a few looks like. I have no idea what the actual number of a few is, a few in the grand scheme of the entirety of all the people that's ever lived, the a few in terms of who's living today, a few in numbers, I don't know. I hope the number of few is much bigger than I would think a few, but a few is a few. Now, a few of 8 billion or 15 billion, 16 billion, however many folks have ever lived, what is a few? Take 16 billion and add a few to that, a few of those. What's that, 10 million, 100 million, 1 billion? I don't know, I don't know, but the number is few. So a few, Lord, are there just a few who are being saved? And by the way, this word being saved, I think it's actually pretty cool. Though are the ones that are so seminal, so seminal, which are, which is, look at the bottom, this is present middle participle. So it's middle, meaning that they're being saved by God, it's certainly continuous. So whoever it is that's saved, they are being saved. Amen? First Corinthians, I don't remember what you asked at first, but I'll go to 1 Corinthians 927. 1 Corinthians 927. But I discipline my body to make it my slave so that after I have preached to others, I myself might not be disqualified. I myself might not be disqualified. And the word for this is adokimus. So if you look at the bodies of the different definitions and qualified, worthless, disreputable, unacceptable, he's not speaking of salvation. First of all, we know that he is saved. We know that it's in the cards for him, so to speak, because God guaranteed that of him, but he says he'll suffer in the meantime. So now, this is just talking about in terms of his walk, how he appears, because what is he beating? What is he disciplined? He's disciplined in his body. I don't, I have no idea what you're asking. No, Corey Minor, this is who I ask you to call on there. We can just pick up the phone and call them and tell them to be here. I can't do that. You are setting people up for failure. How? How? Take time and ask others that knew she once taught, huh? I have no idea what you're talking about now. I have no idea what you're talking about, so. Sorry, sweetheart, sister. I'm not getting you. I've asked, I've wanted that question myself. Why do people want to lose their salvation so bad? It's like they were fighting down. Pull out a gun. I can lose my salvation. I can lose my salvation. Can I? Can I? I can lose my, okay, fine. Listen, live how you wanna live. Drive with a break on if you want to. Yeah, let's see. But it's like, it's like, the one thing that you would want to have assurance on, you want it for your car, your children. You can get that, but we can't get it for our lives. But he literally says so. He gave us the Holy Spirit as a deposit. And then what do they do? They'll go to another passage. I know I can lose my salvation because of this. I'm not gonna answer your question on these passages. Again, one of my favorite passages that we go to sometimes. Let's go to a couple passages in Mystery Ezekiel. And I will give them one heart and put a new spirit in them. And I will take the heart of stone out of their flesh and give them a heart of flesh that they may walk in my statues. But that's not enough, that's not convincing. But let me give you a passage I think is even more convincing. We've covered this passage before. And anyone that disagrees, you exegete this text. I will put my spirit within you and cause you the word is to cause. This word is to assa, to make, to do, to cause. I will cause you to hala, to walk in my teachings, my statues, my organs. So will God make you do that? Well, the Bible literally says He will make you do it. He will cause you, He will make you, this word means assa means He will make you walk in His statues. All right, somebody is here. Let me send them the live stream. Thank you, Carol. Here is the link, my good friend. And I sent it to you, just click the link and I will bring you on. I would love to see your face though. Now He literally just says, I will cause you, I will make you. I don't like that, I don't like that word. I don't like that verb, but you make you. May I ask you a question? If it was up to you to get to heaven or up to God to get you to heaven? If it were up, let me just ask that question too. If it were up to you or up to God, who would you rather be up to to get you to heaven? That's what I wanna, so guys, just for a second, who would you rather be up to to get you to heaven? Type in either God or myself. God, me, God, myself, God. I would rather God. Let it be God. Some of you, the first person says to myself, I'm gonna find a stole here and pull it out. I'd rather be God. I would, if it's up to anybody, God here, take this. Where is the girl from Oklahoma? Jesus, take the will. I'd rather be God. How about that? How about, and so does the Bible says up to God? Yeah, he just literally just says, I will make you. I will make you. I will make you walk in my teachings. The reason why this is important, guys, is because, man, there's some things that I can do that if you tell me to go do it, I've got full confidence I can do that. I can wake up out of the bed at two in the morning and do it. There's some things, not so much. If I'm hungry and the only thing that's in there to cook, this is funny. The only thing that's in there to eat is something that you have to cook. In order for me to eat, I gotta cook it. I'm not gonna get fed. If it's just me by myself, if it's just, if it's just me, okay, I got you, 1689. If it's just me by myself, I'm not gonna eat because I have no confidence in my skills in the kitchen. None whatsoever. I told my mother, when I got it, as I was getting older, I said, mama, I promise you, if you keep feeding me, I'll make sure when it's time for you to go to nursing home, I'll get you the best nursing home. You can't stay with me, but I'll put you in a good nursing home and I'll come by and see you at least twice a year. If you just cook for me, mama, but no, I can't. So some things I trust myself, some things I do not trust. Does, good question, good question. Does cause mean make or enable? Because that's a big difference. Does God enable us? No, this word aside is to make, to do, to cause. This is not him giving you the ability to do so. He is gonna cause you to make, now how's he gonna do so? With his Holy Spirit in you. So yeah, this is, it's not enable, it's to make. Psalm 653, iniquities prevail against me, as for our transgressions, you forgive them. How blessed is the one whom you choose to bring, oh, I did cover this before. How you choose to bring near to you, to dwell in your courts will, we will be satisfied with the goodness of your house, your holy temple. By awesome deeds, you answer us in righteousness, oh God of our salvation. You are the trust of all, the ends of the earth and of the farthest sea. Yeah. You know what God has been trying to say all along? He's been trying to say all along. Doesn't that make sure I sent that thing on? Make sure I sent it off. Yep, I sent it off, just making sure. But what he's been trying to do all along is that I'm the one that can and will do it. I'm the one that can and will do it. I didn't cover it. Okay, hold on. If we aren't able, that's a good question. Charlotte asked, I've never seen the words, I've never seen Charlotte spell that way with the E instead of an O there. But if we aren't able to say who is saved, why did Paul say in 1 Corinthians 5 to judge the brother who went sin? Paul also instructed them to leave outside his non-believers alone. What is he saying? We're gonna try, we're gonna hold you to the standard of a person that says they're Christian as a Christian. When you act in a way that's not, now we're gonna treat you like you're not a Christian. Here's the standard. You gotta hold up your end of the bargain so you're getting disciplined. Okay, so he's exercising church discipline. So why would Paul say to judge the brother who was sin? You have to. One for the name of, for the church's sake, for the name of Christ's sake, and for that person's sake, so they can kind of get themselves together, get right. And so now sometimes it is the person who's not saved after all, and let's just hope that he comes himself. Sometimes he is, but he needs some discipline. He needs a weapon. Yeah, salvation, salvation of the arm. Yeah, hold on. I keep pressing allow mic and camera and then it says there's an error. What, Duncan Gray, what, what, we're sitting there to get you on the internet. What do you call those things? Like are you using Google? Are you using Firefox? Are you using Safari? Make sure you're not using Firefox. You can't come in with that, it didn't work. Okay. I don't know which one is best, Google or, or Safari, I always use Google, but both work. Yeah, Duncan, if you can use them other than Firefox, if you got another browser, browser, thank you, thank you. Listen, I'm not with it. I'm not, I'm not hit with that. Browser, yeah. Do not use Firefox. Yeah, remember, somebody was saying that Corey, you just didn't want to have this debate with this guy because the guy that came on and you muted his mic and so forth, I'm like, no, and then, but then come to find out that he was using the wrong browser and never apologized to me, but it happens, it happens. Yeah, for some reason, and they don't tell you with this software, with this live room software that Firefox doesn't work yet to find out and then someone else tells you, I don't know why they don't just tell us that. So if you can, so Duncan, can you use another browser? Have I come across a true prophet of God today? Have you ever had a true prophet? The only true prophets that there are are those that will give a true revelation of God. And so this true prophecy, it's not forth telling like in the future, a true prophecy will be giving a true revelation, it can be indicative of what's happening right now. So, all right. How long, Duncan, are you there, Duncan? I am, can you hear me? Yeah, I can hear you. Why can't I get you guys' face on this screen? I want to see your face, but anyway, that's okay. Because this, for the glory of the Lord God, it's not for my glory. Okay, what are you, what's wrong with your face, though? Your face, he created it, let's see your face, but anyway, go ahead. What you got going on, brother? Well, can I ask first, since the discussion is on eternal security, first, you have to establish how is somebody safe? So what makes somebody safe? What makes someone safe? Did you happen to watch the video I did yesterday? I didn't, I've watched a few of your videos in the past, though. Okay. And I'll tell you actually how I came across your channel was I got led into OSAS and when I first started really watching videos about it, it really caught my eye, caught my ears. And I listened to it and I was like, wow, all this makes sense. All these verses really go together. And I started listening to a few different channels, a few different people to give others perspectives about it. You were one of them. And I heard it and I believed it. And I've since come out of it. So that's why when I see the year on live stream, I wanted to talk to you. So. Okay. I didn't say, here's how people are saved. It is really the same in the Old Testament as this is the New Testament. There's a debt that has to be paid, a debt that has to be satisfied, right? The reason why you and I or anyone else would go to hell is because the debt that's owed on our behalf has not been, well, it's been paid. We don't have, we haven't placed faith in it. God will hold something against you. If you are in right standing, then you go to be with the father. Are you with me? Right. Anyone that's in right standing or as we would say justified or righteous, not righteous of their own actions, but to be righteous is not because of what you did so if you're in right standing or justified, you go to heaven. If you're not in right standing, if you're not justified, you go to hell. Question is, how do you get justified? How do you get right standing? Well, a debt must be paid and satisfied and the debt is paid by a substitutionary atonement or by somebody substitutionarily offering. Did I make up a word? I think I did. But someone making an offering on your behalf. Under the old, you place your faith in that offering. Under the new, you place your faith in that offering. Okay, the new being Jesus Christ. All of the sins on the scapegoat is cast on the head of scapegoat and those sins are taken away from me. Taken away from the camp, not in view of God. Just like the old, it's what happened with new. All the sins, as John says, look, the Lamb of God who takes away the sins and the works of all those sins. All of our sins are put on his head. Secondly, the debt must be paid. There has to be a satisfactory payment. What does God require as payment for my sins and yours? Can you tell me? Death. Huh? Death? No, no, more than that. Blood. Blood, yeah. So if we just strangle an animal, that didn't do it. If Jesus was hung, that wouldn't do it, it's the blood. He says the blood is what pays the debt. Now our blood, my blood, your blood or animal's blood is not good enough. His blood is. God has stated that if this blood is paid, then it's satisfactory. Will God ever say no, the blood of Jesus is not satisfactory? He'll never say that, will he? Correct, yeah, correct. So the blood being spilled isn't enough. You have to place your faith in that. Once you do, once you have placed your faith, once you have trusted that this blood was paid for your behalf and others, and that God accepted it, that he shut up, he was resurrected and has since gone to be with the Father, the Bible says you placing your faith in that means that you are saved. By the way, let me give a scary way of putting it. I've used this example before. Faith in God, let me go to full screen because you might want to see my hands. Faith in God, or trusting, I've used this example before, so I'll use it again, you all, some of you have heard me say this before. I trust this chair. Y'all can't see it, but trust me, you can see the back of the chair. I'm sitting in a chair, okay? I believed before I sat down that sitting in this chair would hold me. Matter of fact, the very first time I sat in this chair, I believed that the chair could hold me. You know how you know that I trusted in this chair? Because you sat in it? Because I sat in it, and when I sat in it, you know what I didn't do? I didn't spread my legs across, get a good wide base. I didn't hold onto the desk just in case this chair didn't hold me. I didn't do that. I didn't tire some wiring from the ceiling to hold this chair just in case the legs fell off from under it. I didn't do that. I simply trusted in it, and you know what I do sometimes, especially when you guys aren't watching me, I do this. Let me lean back a little bit. I'm chilling, right? I trust this chair implicitly, so you know what I can do while I'm trusting in this chair? I can go over here and type over here. I can go over here. I can go over here. Y'all may not see me sometimes. Listen, I can grab the microphone and go to sing it. Y'all will never see that before, but I can do whatever I wanna do because you know what I'm not trusting? I'm not worrying about? I'm not worrying about this chair. Are you with me? Haven't once worried about this chair, I trusted. So now guess what I can do? I can work in this chair. In view of me being saved of my salvation, what do I do? I work. So that's what salvation is. It's to trust in the God who saves. Now the question is, and some people, I'm convinced of this, not for everybody, but some people who do not trust in the sufficiency of the blood will miss heaven because they feel like it's the blood plus them. It's the blood plus me doing all these things. Well, you might be indicating that I never really put my full faith in the blood. I never put my faith in what he's done. That's a scary thought. Think about it that way. For everyone that's thinking that you can lose salvation, think about it that way. Wait a second. I'm not sure about that blood, but what does Colossians tell us? That the debt that was owed, the certificate of debt was canceled. How did Colossians say that the debt was canceled? He nailed it to the cross. Are you with me? I am. So that's how salvation comes about. Right. Believing that the Son of God died on the cross and shed his blood, but what about the denominations and such that believe that there was a man named Jesus Christ who was the Son of God who died on the cross like Jehovah's Witness or Latter-day Saints and believe that his blood was shed on that cross for the sin of the world and that he then ascended up after being resurrected by God. Like how is it sufficient for them? Like why, why did that not make it so that they'll be in heaven too with everybody? They're, and I've said this before. So if you heard this, then you'll catch this if you haven't heard it. I have said that there are going to be some people in heaven who started off as Jehovah's Witnesses or Mormons. Oh, amen. Amen. How so? Because they placed their faith in Christ. They don't know about the whole of Jehovah's Witnesses. They don't know all the things. And so what happens is the person's truly saved. The Holy Spirit comes in them because the Bible tells us that we are baptized in the Holy Spirit. And what ends up happening is as they're saved and the Holy Spirit is working in them, their mind is like, wait a second, this doesn't jive with the scriptures that were given to us by the Holy Spirit. They'll see God will work in them. There are many people who came as Jehovah's Witnesses and Mormons who left because this doesn't make sense. Same thing with Catholics. They came to faith. They didn't know all the tenses of Catholic Catholicism, but what they did know was that they needed a Savior and we have one in Jesus Christ who now what happens, now what's working in him is the Holy Spirit. And so after a while, there's going to be a disconnect between, yeah, my heart wants to stay in this church. I got family members in this church, but my head and heart ain't lining up. And so I've got to go somewhere where I'm getting what my head and heart can agree with. And so that happens a lot. Now, how often, I don't know. I don't know, but anybody who is believing in what we believe can be saved. They won't stay there though, are you with me? It's just like a person who is a person who is struggling with their sexuality or a person who is living or a person who is just, man, I like women. I like looking at women. They're struggling there and they know that. And so they place their faith in the only one that can save them. And there's still this struggle, but they want to get past that. Well, they place their faith in Christ. So what are they going to eventually, eventually they are going to get past that. Now, how soon? Not fast enough for some people, some folks say, hey, you need to get past that sin right now. Meanwhile, they're cussing up a storm and going after and attacking people in the body because they're so judgmental. But the person, God is working in them. And that person might be, sometimes it's happened where the person who is struggling with something, God is allowing them to struggle with it longer because there's somebody else that we don't see that person's also working with that's coming alongside who's also struggling with the same thing. And they're walking together this, they're walking together as they draw closer to God. This person is literally helping to bring somebody else with them. I've seen it happen before too. But anyone that places their faith in Christ legitimately, I mean legitimately, I don't care what the label is, if you place your faith in Christ, the Bible says you shall be saved. And then eventually God will work the things out of it. A lot of folks that were in charismatic movement, a lot of folks who were in this movement, that movement has come out of that because the Lord, they were genuinely saved and the Lord has been working in them. Amen. Amen. The thing I was saying- Why do you think you can lose it though? Well, I'm working on it. But the thing that I wanted to point out by bringing in, say, JW or LES is they have to have their faith in the right Christ. And so until they place their faith in the right Christ, they don't have the faith of Christ. What's the right Christ? And that's why they're not saved until they have their faith in the right Christ. What's the right Christ? The true Son of God, you know? The faithful servant, witness. So now they, there's a problem though. There are some people who think that they are, they don't, okay, let's say you have a seven year old. Can seven year old be saved? Man, I do not know. You don't know if a seven year old can be saved? No, I do not know. What about a 10 year old? Can a 10 year old be saved? I don't know. Okay, well, can a 15 year old be saved? Yeah, maybe. Okay. What age are you certain that they can be saved? A man or a woman. But when I say a man, I'm saying not a man child, a man or a woman who places their faith, they believe on the Lord Jesus Christ and in his blood. Well, here's how we know Duncan that children can be saved. Because they were coming to Christ and they were forbidden in the coming. Jesus said, don't do that. This is what the kingdom is, them coming to me. And if anyone causes one of these to stumble, then you're in trouble. So children can come to Christ. The reason why I bring that up is because how much do children know about the true Christ? They don't, they can barely read enough to understand, they can even spell doctrine. So you got children who know for a fact that they're a sinner and that they love the Lord Jesus. They can't put all this stuff together, but they've got this faith. Remember, we're told to have the same kind of faith that they have. They've got this faith. I feel like children though, can kind of be looked at in the same light as those who never heard the gospel, yet because they have the world around them, which testifies of the creator and the law is written in their conscious and their heart, God is still able to judge them because they're still able to either reject and go against and deny the truth that they know to be within them or give into it. And I think children, for the most part, even if they have begun to commit any sin in their life, they still have that testimony within them and they're probably not to rejecting it until early adolescence. Here's what you're doing, Duncan. Here's what you're doing. You're putting a lot of caveats to go with what we say is needed to be saved. All that's required is that you believe. So what, okay, so what does Peter mean when he says, in the same manner now, Doth baptism save us? You talking about first Peter three? Yeah, three, two, one. First Peter three, 21 is speaking about what the baptism actually says. Now there is a symbolism or an antotype that saves us, not the removal of filth from flesh, but an answer of good kinds of words got which is the Holy Spirit. He's saying the baptism that saves us is this baptism of Holy Spirit, not this water baptism. So now what I wanna get back to is if we start saying you gotta believe in this Christ, this one, and this Christ has to be X, Y, Z, bam, bam, bam, bam, bam, bam, bam, bam, bam. Gotta believe that he was six feet tall, gotta believe he did this, gotta believe he did that. Well, I'm not saying you're saying that, but what happens is there are a lot of people that do that. They put a lot of extras on to all that God says to do is just to have faith. Do they understand fully who he is? Well, let me just give you a point of fact. You, nor do I nor anyone else that you know on this planet understands fully who Jesus is. No one does. That's why we have a hard time even trying to wrap our head around this concept of this triune God. We can never on this earth get a full understanding of who he is. We know two things. One, he died for our sins. Two, he's God who came in flesh and died for our sins. Kids can get that. They understand that. Now, is there more to understanding, to learning, to growing? Sure, sure. But the important message is that as soon as you can get it to them, as soon as you get them understanding it, the better. Because we don't know if there's some hope that we have, but you don't want your nine-year-old kid to, yeah, you know what, he's still too young to know it and he's not. These kids can figure out video games and do all the stuff on the phone and computers better than you and I, but they can't understand the gospel. I disagree with that. I disagree with that whole heart because I know a lot of kids who did. There's a story of a seven-year-old girl. Seven-year-old girl who has cancer. She's dying. She's told that she's gonna die and she's happy. You know why she's happy? Because she's told, she's been taught this her whole life, that about Jesus and that she gets to go be with Jesus and that what he did. She knows that she messes up, that she's sin sometimes and that what God does is he helps her, as she says, helps me to be good and when I'm not good, when I'm bad, he can help me to stop being bad because he died on the cross for me and that he lives in me and he helps me and he reminds me when I do bad, well, she understands the gospel, doesn't she? And so as this little seven-year-old girl with cancer is dying, you know what she does? Because she loves the Lord so much, she also loves other people and she wants to tell them about Jesus. Now, when she died, where do you think that she went? Man, hopefully heaven, of course. Hopefully, what do you mean hopefully? What does the Bible say she did go? If what I'm, and all we know is all we can do is take her word or her family's word if this was happening and so what I said was true. Where did she go? She's probably in heaven with the Lord. Not probably, I'm saying if. If what I said was true, she's definitely in heaven with the Lord. There's a whole lot of children that are gonna be in the kingdom of heaven, of course. Okay, so now, that being the case, children can get this. They don't fully understand Jesus. Right. They don't get all of that. They don't understand, well, how's he this? How's he that they, you start telling them son of God and son of man and so forth and they're gonna go scratching their head. I don't, I don't, I don't know. I don't know. Sure, so can I touch on, can I touch on something you said about a minute ago? Go ahead. So, of course, God was manifesting the flesh and even a child can hear that and go, wow, that's amazing. I should love my God and believe on him. But when you, when you mentioned the triune nature of God, what is the, what is the like baseline that you're going off on that? Are you saying that God is the Father and the Son is God and the Holy Spirit is God but the Holy Spirit's not the Father, the Father's not the Son and the Son's not the Spirit and vice versa? Here's what I think everyone needs to understand that obviously God is God but that Jesus is God and the Holy Spirit is God and the Bible tells us that the Lord is God. Deuteronomy four in 35 and 39, the Lord is God. There is no other. That's, that's all caps L-O-R-D. L-O-R-D. Yeah, okay. The Lord is, the Lord is God. We see that also in Exodus, Exodus three. He meets this, this, he goes to this burning bush and who's there? The Lord, the angel, the Lord, God. The angel, yeah. And what does he call himself? I am, he says, he says in the singular, first person, first person, and he says in the third person. So when you're talking about him, you call him Yahweh but when God himself is talking about it, he'll say Eche. So he's the I am, he is the Lord. He is the angel of the Lord. He is God. And he is, and the Lord is God. And there's only one Lord. The Bible says you must place your faith in him. If you confess that he is Lord, you shall be saved. Whoever calls upon the name of the Lord shall be saved. So the Lord is Jesus, one Lord, he is God. And so that's the baseline. That's the baseline. The angel, the Lord, I've heard, I've heard some people that I've watched on YouTube before try and say that the angel of the Lord only appears in the Old Testament and that he doesn't appear in the New Testament because the Son is now flesh, huh? Why? Why do they say that? No, no, no, it's true. The angel of the Lord only shows up in the Old Testament. But why is that? Wait, I don't think that's true though. Who shows up to speak with Joseph? It is an angel. And then as he refers back to that, I don't know what you're talking about, as he refers back to that same angel, he has to call him the angel. Grammatically speaking, you would put the definite article in front of him, but we know he's not the angel of the Lord because the angel of the Lord in the Old Testament is also God. Well, he's speaking about Mary being impregnated. Right. Impregnated with who? With Jesus. So as the angel of the Lord is there and there, this is- Well, I agree, it can't be the same person that is speaking to Joseph that's also in the womb of Mary. I agree with that. But then who's the angel of the Lord that rolls away the stone? An angel, just an angel, think about this. But it says the angel of the Lord. Okay, what would you call that angel over there? He's an angel and he's the Lord's angel. What would you call if you referred to him? If he told me his name, Gabriel or Michael, then I'd say that. He didn't, he didn't. All we know is it's an angel that belongs to the Lord. What would you call him? Who told you that? An angel of the Lord. The angel of the Lord. No, I say an angel of the Lord. Just like I don't say the apostle Paul, I say Paul and apostle Paul. Well, if we've got two angels there, which we have there at the tomb, and that angel said so, it'll be the angel of the Lord. You would say that, the man. Just like you and I would say this, the man, we refer to him with a definite article. It's not that it's a proper name like, hey, that's the man. No, okay, the man over there, the same thing is just used as a demonstrative to say the angel of the Lord, that angel that's talking to Joseph. Because when the angel is first introduced, it's not the angel of the Lord. An angel shows up. Well, which angel? Then he's called the second time we refer to the angel as the angel. Are you with me? Isn't there a time where Paul says, speaking of a specific angel, he says, the angel of God whom I serve. You gotta give me the verse. Let me figure it out, hold on. In Acts 27, 23, sirs, you should have harkened unto me and not have loosed from Crete and to have gained this harm and loss. And now I exhort you- Hold on, I'm gonna give you Acts 27. What? 27, starting at verse 21. Sirs, you should have harkened unto me and not have loosed from Crete to have gained this harm and loss. And now I exhort you to be of good cheer for there shall be no loss of any man's life among you, but of the ship. For there stood by me this night, the angel of God, who's I am and whom I serve. Okay, now, can you see my screen? Hang on one second, yep. Okay, let's see, for this very night, and then we have Angelus. Let's see, myster is the angel of God, that's it. I understand, but what I'm reading to you now is, is from the Greek. And so, now they have this, let me read, let me, let me see, because they have it written in English one way and then the Greek another way. So stood, for stood me this, the night. And then it's referring of God. Yeah. Te nuk ti tu feu, which is, now this is whom I am, whom I'm serving, whom also serve. Angel saying. Okay, yeah, so. This is, this is not, this is not a definite article. So this is not the angel of the Lord. This is an angel saying not to fear. So this is definitely not the angel of the Lord. Okay. Then how does Paul belong to him? Huh? Then how does Paul belong to him? He says, who's I am and whom I serve? I thought he served the Lord. God, I've got an angel who's belonging to God, whom I serve. Now, the one whom he's serving belongs to is God. He's not serving the angel. He's serving God. There's a huge difference. Whom I am, whom also I serve. Then the next word after that is angel. So it's not, so then, so, so right before that, who he's serving is clearly God, not the angel. Okay. So now what I'm, so, but I don't want to get too far, too far off. By the way, how are you? I'm 20 something. How old are you? What's that? I'm early 20s. Okay, you said 20 something. Okay, we can tell that you're younger, which is. Yeah, and I'm a couple years since I've been born again, hearing the word of God for the first time and putting some faith in it, believing it's the word of God. Okay. So listen, most important thing, going back to this issue of salvation, what he did, he did so that there would be no laws. Remember, he says in John 6, that all of us that was given to him, that will be you, myself, and these folks in the chat, all of those people that were given to him, he said he will not lose any. He won't lose not one. Think of the promises that he makes. Well, he said that's the will of his father that he should, that he should not lose any. And Willie? Right. Willie? Willie? You mean tell me the will of his father that he's going to be carried out? Let's go to them. Let's go to the passage. The will of his father will or will not be carried out. I mean, it's his will that everybody be saved, right? It's his will that. What passage are you? Well, it could be what passage you're referring to. We have to go to the passage. But look what he says here though, before we go there. All, I'll be back. All that the father gives to me, what does he say? They will come. So every single one of the father gives, what will they do? Can you see it on the screen? Yeah, yeah, yeah. I will certainly not cast out. No, no, no, no, no, hold on, follow with me. Okay, will come to me. All that the father gives, what will they do? Will come to me. Okay, so they will come. That part isn't in doubt. And the one who comes to me, what will he not do? He will not cast them out. He will certainly not cast them out. Now, let's read a little bit further. For I have come down to do the will of my father. I'm sorry, I've come down, verse 38, I've come down from heaven not to do my own will. I didn't come to do my will, but the will, the lame mother, the will of him who sent me. And this is the will of him who sent me, that Jesus is going to do. That all that he has given me, by the way, all the ones that he's given me said they will come. And he says, he has given them to me and I shall lose none. So, according to this text, all that are given to them, they will come to Jesus. And will he lose any of them according to this text? Not according to the will of the father. And what I'm trying to find, I can't think of the exact wording that it has to type in my software to be able to pull it up. But I know that there's a verse that says something. It doesn't say the will, but it says willing that something like none should perish. Like, so he's willing that all should come to repentance or something. Let's see what this passage says. You're talking about 2nd Peter. Is that, okay. 2nd Peter 3, 9, and look what it says. Not willing that any should perish, yeah. Are you ready? Let's go over this passage. The Lord is not slow about his promises. So, God has made some promises, right? Let's not gloss over that. As some counsel, what's his promises? His promise is to say, but let me say it as some counselness, but his patient towards you. Then the writing says, and here's the problem. Not wishing for any to perish, but for all to come to repentance. Well, if he's willing for them to perish, why do some perish? Well, because this is a different word. As a matter of fact, let's go back to John. Let's go back to John. Look on the screen. Are you watching on the screen? I'm seeing that it could be a different word in the Greek, but it's not a different word in my English. Okay. How many words in English can mean different things? Or you can have the same word that means two different things. Well, that's an impossible thing. I'm not Google. Well, here's the answer. A lot. What does fine mean? F-I-N-E, what does that mean? There's just a few meanings for it. Okay. Then so, too, does the word will, right? In English, does the word will mean different things? I mean, not really. Really? So, what does the word will mean in English then? If I will do something, that means I'm going to do something, but the reason I'm going to do it is because it's my will. So, the will that you just used is not the same as the word I will. My will to do something, and I will, those are two different meanings. That will is different. No, if I will do something, it's because it's my will to do that thing. Okay, the first will- And if I put in my will, and if I put in my will at the end of my life for something to happen, that's because it is my will. No, Duncan, Duncan, Duncan. Okay, if I'm talking about a will, like a will in Testament, that's a different thing. Then I've got the will, like a desire. Then I've got the will, like the verb to be. And then I've got the wills on my car. No, we're talking about the same spelling, W-I-L-L. I know, I was playing. Okay, so now, same thing here. Now, honestly, I want you to know what I'm about to say. I don't care what the English says. The English is made up of a lot of different languages. But we can find out what will this is in the Greek, right? So, in John 6, you said his God's will. And Jesus is going to, we know for a fact that Jesus is going to do God's will. The word for will here in the Greek is the Greek word, the lemma. Are you with me? You see it on the screen? Yeah. This word, the lemma. This word, the lemma. I actually don't see it on the screen. I don't see it on the screen. Oh, I'm sorry, I'm sorry. A will, a wanting. Are you with me? Is wanting not the same as desiring? Nope, not in this one. If we, hold on. I don't want to get, let's go five over here. Okay, B-day. Okay, let me see if I can make this bigger on the screen. I didn't, ah, look at this. In this particular passage, where are we at? Ba-da-da-da-da-da. And while you're looking, I'm just going to add this to the discussion. Maybe you can come back to it. If his will being just being his will automatically means that his will will be done, then his will being that all should see him should believe on him. And then they should have everlasting life. And Jesus Christ will raise them up at the last day. Then that would mean that nobody who saw him in the Roman Empire, including Pilate, or even including Judas, would have gone against his will. Because his will was that all who see him and believe on him should not perish but have everlasting life and be raised up at the last day by Jesus Christ. All right? Like if his will is that all who see him and believe on him should not perish, how is it possible that people who see him don't believe on him? So hold on, I'm not following you to that again. It's okay, I think I messed up the verse in my mind when I was first thinking of it and then as I was speaking it, I realized that it was not the same wording that I was thinking at first. So I'll ignore that one. But now there's- Look on here. This word for voluminos. This right here is to plan a course of action. You see that? So he's not planning a course of action where any will perish. Yeah, he's not planned, he's not intended, he's not willing, he's not causing him to go there. The reason why that's important is so now we add that to the text, look what it says. Now if we go back to the text, where am I at? I didn't mean to pull this up, I'm on the wrong string. So now let's go back to the text. And so he says that now he is not wishing voluminos, he is not intended for anyone to perish. What does that mean? When people, this is where this whole issue of election comes in, this double predestination that he predestined folks to be saved and he predestined folks to go to hell. No, this is that he is not intended or determined or planned for anyone to go to hell. So if you go to hell, you're there on your own. It's not because he did so, are you with me? So, but listen, I've got to go. There's someone else that is linked to that wants to come in. So can I get one, can I get one other bit in? Sure. Okay, so I'm just gonna touch on it. I'm just gonna make this case. You don't have to indulge in the conversation with me, but I'm just gonna make the case because that's what you invited me to do. And this is not directly a case against OSAS, eternal security, but it is a case that if it proves to be true, then it should make anybody who believes in OSAS eternal security re-questioning. So you mentioned that we gotta believe in Christ and then you mentioned the triune God that there is. And from what I've seen and from what I've learned, even when I was believing in the same ways, in those types of diagrams that try their best to explain it, they'll say each of those, quote, three persons are God, but they're not each other. So the Son is not the Father and the Holy Ghost is not the Father and the Holy Ghost is not the Son because if they were all each other, then they say, well, that's modalism heresy. So my question is, if the Holy Ghost or Holy Spirit is not the Father, then how is it that in Matthew 118, Jesus Christ, the baby in Mary's womb is called child of the Holy Ghost? Okay, I'm gonna answer this at a separate time so I can go ahead and get these next persons on here. Sure, sure. All right. Thank you for having me on and having conversation with me. I appreciate you. God bless all who are listening. All right. Okay, in the green room I've got Ben. Ben, can you hear me? Ben, if you're there, I'll meet yourself. I'll meet yourself. I saw your face for a second. Come on in. I don't know what happened with Ben. Ben, go ahead and if you hear me, click that link again or whatever happened. I don't know what happened. I sent the link out to two different people, so let's go, we're gonna, coming to a close, go ahead and wrap this up soon enough. Let's do this. Okay. Maybe he's using. No, Ben was actually in here, so I don't know what happened with Ben. I don't know if he's still there or not. Maybe he's not. Anyway, all right guys, I think there's one more person coming in. If he comes in soon, we'll go ahead and talk with him. Otherwise, we'll get ready to move on. Just a quick little message reminder. Make sure, make sure that you do your best to come to the Bible study tomorrow. How about that? Can you not hear me? Yes, I can hear you. I can hear you. Hold on one second. I got some, when else come in as well? I got loggers, Joey, I don't know. All right, hold on one second. Ben, can you hear me? Ben. Okay, let me go to the other person then. Hello? Hello? Yeah, there you are. How you doing young man? I'm doing well. How are you? Doing wonderful, doing wonderful. So I do want to join this conversation. I don't want to rush you, but we got to go real fast. All right, let's go real fast then. Okay, so there's a couple of scriptures. If you want to go to Ezekiel chapter 18. Uh-huh, no problem. I'd like to get your thoughts on that. And have you went to Samuel chapter two? Samuel chapter two joined with Numbers chapter 25. Ezekiel chapter 18, what 1833 or 24, something like that? Yeah, somewhere around there. Okay, so your verse is, but when a righteous man turns away from his righteousness, commits iniquity and does according to all the abominations that a wicked man does, will he live? Well, obviously no. Why? Remember who we're speaking to when we're speaking. This is Ezekiel speaking to the Jews. How does a person being become righteous under the Old Covenant? Because this is during the Old Covenant. How does it, how does it happen? Faith. Faith. Huh? Faith. Faith in what? God. But how so? Faith in that you're in right standing because of the atonement, right? Yes. Okay. What takes, how long does that right standing last? Under the Old Covenant. What do you mean how long does it last? Okay, do you understand what the day of atonement was? Yes, I do. But that doesn't work for this. Why not? Because you have David. David committed a high handed sin which was against, they didn't have any type of atonement system for David's sin and yet he was still forgiven. David committed what's called a high handed sin. No, listen, according to the Bible, your sin would be forgiven if you're in right standing, the blood, remember how the atonement works. And this would last for one year for all of Israel, all of them. And then you also had individual offerings that you can give. So every year, a person who might be in right standing this year or righteous may not be righteous the following year because of what? Because of his sin. So what's gonna happen? What's the issue here? Is their sin and their heart? This is why it's important that we lead Ezekiel 18 and keep reading Ezekiel and just go to verse 20. Let's start in verse 25. I'm sorry, let's go to 25. Can you address that last part there? And by the way, I really just wanted to get your thoughts on this, but can you address that last part? The last part is, and if you read Numbers chapter 15. Well, hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on. Let's stay in Ezekiel for one quick second though. Okay, go ahead. One quick second. So if the person is righteous or unrighteous, can anything change that unrighteousness? If a person is righteous and can anything change the unrighteousness? No, if a person is unrighteous, can anything change him into being righteous? Uh, okay, I'm sorry, say that one last time. I didn't get it, that is thick in my head. If a person is unrighteous during this time, could that person become righteous? Yes. Okay, could that person become righteous forever? Yes. Well, what would cause a person to become righteous? Repentance, according to the text. Okay, but if that person is repentant, but then keep sinning, what happens? Then that person is, it says that he has turned away. Okay, so the issue is there's sin, right? And then you also said repentant, which refers to their heart, right? So what if God fixes both of those? Then that person will be made righteous. All right, so let's go to Ezekiel 36 and let's see if God does do exactly what you and I disagreed to. Then verse 25 of chapter 36, then God says, I will sprinkle clean water on you and you will be clean. I will cleanse you from all your filthiness and from all your idols. Moreover, I will do what? Give you a new heart and put a new spirit within you and I will remove the heart of stone from your flesh and give you a heart of flesh. Then look at Ezekiel 37 and I will put my spirit within you and do what? Cause you to walk in my statutes, my ordinances, my teachings, that's what this word means. And you will be careful to observe my ordinances. So now what is God promise he's gonna do to the heart? He is going to put his spirit in their heart and cause, so change the heart and then cause them to walk, not sinning. So whatever objection you had in Ezekiel 18 or Second Samuel or any other part of the Old Testament where there's this issue of sin, God has promised to do something about that. That is to fix their heart and to have them not walk in sin. Okay, so you have a couple of different issues with that. And by the way, I'm not saying I necessarily disagree with you. I honestly have a more nuanced version of this, but you have a couple of issues with that because you said that repentance, you said that a person is, well, let me go over the first issue. Does that then mean that somebody cannot ever walk in sin as a Christian or can you grieve the Holy Spirit as it says in the book of Ephesians and go against the Holy Spirit? You can, the word for grieve, it means suppress. You're not tossed out a quarter that's the very same passage that we're reading in Ephesians that you can grieve him, of course you can grieve him. But what does he say? But that very same Holy Spirit that you grieve, you're also sealed by him until when? Until the day of redemption. Hold on, wait, I'm not going there. What I'm saying is, can you reject the Holy Spirit? Can you deny the Holy Spirit? The Holy Spirit is pushing you to do something and you say, no, I don't want to do that. Can a Christian do that? Can a Christian sin? Sure, can a Christian live in sin? No, because what does this text say? This text says, I will cause you to walk in my statutes. It's not to state that when you say to walk in, doesn't mean that you are walking perfectly. In other words, that you will walk with not ever violating anything. No, because the issue is going to be that the Spirit is in you and will cause you to walk. The one part that you can't get around is this as well as Jeremiah, I'm not saying you, but anyone when I say you, this as well as Jeremiah 3240, where he says that when he puts his Spirit in us, that we will not turn away from him, nor will he turn away from us. If the Spirit is in us and he's promised that we won't turn away from him and he won't turn away from us, well, then what's left? How could a person then fall away or stop following him or stop being saved if we will never turn away from him and he will never turn away from us? It's literally impossible. So the reason why I'm making the points that I'm making is because, and I would like to get your thoughts on it cause you're the smart Christian. By the way, I really liked your one video on demonic attacks on black people, but I know we're going fast. So what I'm saying is, is when you say the Holy Spirit will cause us to walk in the statutes, that is what I'm asking is, can you reject that? Can a Christian reject that? Yes, he can. I've seen it multiple times. I've even seen Christians, or people who say that they're Christians for one point in their life, live a Christian lifestyle and then later on start to walk in a different lifestyle and then repent. I've seen it. So what I'm saying is this, but what I'm saying is this, hold on, wait, because you kind of glossed over a lot of my points and you say, well, you can use that for second Samuel and all that. The reason why you can't use that is the first statement you say it was this is old covenant and we're talking to the Israelites. If you go to Numbers chapter 15, Numbers chapter 15 gives you what the atonement system would atone for. It was for unintentional sins. David committed what was called a sin of the high hand. That's the literal renditioning of it. If you look in Numbers chapter 15, he committed adultery with Bathsheba and then he actually killed Uriah and all of that. Even when God says, and I think it's either first kings or second kings, God actually says, David did everything right in my eyes except for the sin of Uriah the Hittite. Then when you look at the passage where he cheats and he does what he does, what does Nathan say to him? He says, God has forgiven you. This is not to do with the atonement system. And then later on he says, God, if I could give the blood of bulls and goats, I would have given it, but you didn't want that. The reason why David was saying that is because David did not have any type of atonement system that could atone for his sins. It only could be atoned by the blood of kings. Let me put a pause on you because I gotta get the next guy in there. And I would ask you to go and watch the video that I did on yesterday about the atonement, but let's just disprove everything you said about what the atonement covers. Let's go to Leviticus. Leviticus 16, 30. For it is on this day that atonement shall be made for you to cleanse you. You will be cleansed from what? All the word is cold, mean cold, which is from all your sins. All means all. Every single sin that can be done, he's not differentiating from them. Then you also, in that system, you have these sacrificial offerings that are given throughout the year. Now, what's happening in Ezekiel, the prophecy here in Ezekiel is that he's prophesizing that what he is going to do, same thing he says in Deuteronomy. Same thing in Jeremiah. Same thing in Hosea. He's gonna give us a new heart, put his spirit in us. And he says, cause you to walk. You cannot get away from him causing you, because he put his spirit in your heart, causing you to walk. You cannot get away from him in Jeremiah, the prophecy that he's gonna put the spirit in your heart and then as a result, you won't turn away and he won't turn away. And so now listen, what I'll do is, guys, we may have to have to do this again. I've got three guys literally waiting in the room. I'm sorry. So seriously, I really just wanted to get your thoughts. That's fine. Man, look, man, keep on doing what you're doing. All right, have a good one, young man. All right, you too. All right, thanks. Okay, let me let Dede in as well. Okay, Logan, is that you? Logan or Dede? Let me bring in, all right, this is Dede. Dede, go ahead, brother. Hey, yes. Yeah, I know you said that there's not a lot of time, but I was gonna say something different at first because I was gonna say that I feel like, know that you can't lose eternal salvation, but then I seen something in the chat. I think the person was like T. Teresa or something like that. I don't know, but I seen she was like, there was like, if you lose salvation, that means you never had it in the first place. So I think I am on boat now, like with the, like one save, always save because the people that's gonna be saved in heaven, that means that they was always saved from the jump. And if you were the ones that's gonna be burned in hell, that means that, you know, you just never was saved. So I think I am on board with like, I don't know, I don't actually know your like viewpoint on it. Are you like, do you believe in the one save, always save? Cause I'm kind of late getting there. I believe if a person is legitimately saved, then they will always be saved because the Lord is working in them, the Holy Spirit is in them, greater is he that's in you than he's in the world. And that's why he can say that, he who began a good work in you, that's God who began the work, he is going to complete it. He's the one that's faithful, not us. And so, man, I'm so, I'm glad you're on board. Let me go ahead, I appreciate you. Brother, if we do this again, make sure that you come back on again. I can give you more time. I think I got one more person if he's still there. So we can go ahead and wrap up. We are two hours, two hours and 25 minutes into us. I gotta go ahead and let you go. I appreciate you so much. All right. You be blessed, young man. The bag, you appreciate it. Logan, are you still there? Logan going once, going twice. All right. Okay guys, well, we went longer than normally, but that's fine. And as always, we can never get to all the questions. But one of the things that I think happens sometimes is we take the warning passages, and there he is. Let me go ahead and see, and I can deal with Logan. He was in there before. Logan, are you there? Let me see your face. Unmeet yourself. All right. Can you hear me? Yeah, I can hear you. Can you hear me? What is wrong with you? Hello? He's not wanting to sew your faces. Hello? Yeah, can you hear me? Yo, hello? Yeah. Hello? Can you hear me, Logan? All right, I gotta let you go. We gotta go ahead and run. But let me just say this, guys. This is what's gonna happen. This is what has to happen. Uh-oh. I push it back. We take the promises of God and we make them equal or equivalent to the warning passages. What the brother said earlier is he said he knows of a Christian who walked away. My question is this. How in the world do you know he was a Christian? You don't. All I can go off of is what you said. I don't know what you are. What I do know is what God has said. He says, let's put it back on the screen for this so we can go ahead and move on, 32 verse 40. This is the Old Testament, but he's saying what he is going to do and he's gonna do this obviously post Christ. He says that I will make an everlasting covenant with them and I will not turn away from doing good to them. I will put the fear of me in their hearts so that they will not turn away from me. He also said that I won't turn away from them. So if turning away from them, if us turning away from God has gone and him turning away from us has gone, then what is there? There is nothing. If he won't, and the Bible says that we will follow him, John 10, we will keep following him. That's what he says. Literally he says that we will follow him. We will not follow any other strength, nothing else strange. We will not follow a stranger or a strange voice. If we hear something strange, he says that we will definitely turn away. I don't have time to go into the tenses and the moods and voices of these passages, but the fact of the matter is he makes these promises. He makes these promises and we point to what happens is, first of all, don't go to an Old Testament passage where it seems like someone might have lost it or someone is unrighteous in the Old Testament because we know that God is gonna do something about that. He promises us something about that. So just be clear guys. And I asked this question before and we'll leave on this. If you could place your salvation in someone's hands, yours or God's, who would you place it in? Who do you want to be the person responsible for your salvation? I would say God. Anyone who says themselves, you're fooling yourself. Matter of fact, if you give yourself an opportunity to hold your salvation, I promise you, you will fumble the ball. Amen. Amen.