 All right, so let's kick off. It's 8.30 PM here in beautiful Switzerland, 2.30 PM in New York and 11.30 in San Francisco and I think 8.30 or 9.30 in South Africa. So we have people from all over the world joining us today, many of them live streaming via YouTube and this is an open Q&A session in the past four months since we got kicked off into the post with Corona Future. I've been doing a lot of conversations, I've been doing a lot of online streaming and I've learned a lot, as you can see, I hope you like the view here of Zurich and I figured today would be a good day to sort of give you a run an overview of how I'm doing this and what I'm doing and why I'm doing it and so on and also to answer your questions. I did get quite a few questions already. I've even printed them out on good old fashioned paper. You're welcome to ask more questions using the Zoom chat. All of you can chat, all of you can interact, you can also leave comments on YouTube but only if they're good, of course. You can spread the word on YouTube, the link again is right here, they're live on YouTube, I'll post it one more time so that all of you can see this. Everyone in the meeting, please do share this link on your Twitter or LinkedIn or Facebook. I mean, I don't do Facebook anymore but if you want to share on Facebook, if you must, please do. If you want to talk, you have to send us a chat message and Soha Rashid, who's my associate futurist and also the moderator for this event, she will admit you and pipe you into the video feed. If you're gonna ask for audio and video, please make sure you're actually ready for it, okay? So that we can see you, you have a microphone, you have a fancy headset, nice background, nice suit, just kidding, do what you can and fire away with the question. We reserve the right to cut you off if we don't like the question. Just kidding. But please do keep it short and we have a good conversation. So to remind everybody that's on the stream and also in the Zoom call, everything that we're doing here is recorded and also streamed live to YouTube. So you don't want to be seen, you don't want to be heard, you don't want to be part of it, then don't do anything, just watch, okay? Otherwise everything you can will be used against you. Now will be used for you and of course Google is gonna customize all the ads to our conversation. So great, where do we kick off? Maybe I should first kind of show you what I actually do here in my streaming studio and why I'm doing this and then we're gonna get to the questions, right? So the technical part first, I've set up a streaming studio using a black magic camera. I'll show you shortly what that looks like. It's a black magic 4K camera. It's a really nice television camera. It works perfectly. You can record all day and night. Doesn't get hot or anything. It's a really great camera. I connect directly HDMI into a mixer. That's the ATM Mini, ATM Mini Pro, which is a video mixer that allows me to remix all of my HDMI stuff and my computers and all my audio into this thing. And that again becomes a virtual camera that I plug into Zoom or Skype or Microsoft Teams. It's basically a virtual camera. It's really a great tool cost about I think $600 for the Pro version. And you can also stream directly to the internet YouTube in 1080p. So that's what I use for all the background. Behind me is a green screen. Okay, the whole wall is a green screen. The green screen is being used so I can look like I'm cut out on top of something else. It's called chroma keying. And it's not as fancy as it sounds. You need a bunch of lights to work this out. And then I use a really nice microphone. So here I have the Rode, other way around here, the Rode HS2. It's a microphone like a clip on, a headset microphone, not a clip on. That works really well. And I use it with a wireless receiver. That's going straight into the camera. So I will not scare you off any further about all the ticky stuff that I'm doing here. It took me about 50 hours to learn the basics of this and I was quite into virtual calls before and maybe a hundred hours in total. So it's quite a learning curve for presenting. And some of the questions that you've sent already allure to this, you know, how can you actually present in a meaningful way like this? But I will not be able on for longer, suffice to say I will now show you for the first time ever what my setup looks like in my studio. Nobody has seen this before. So consider yourself lucky. This is the view from above using a GoPro camera that have just mounted just for this purpose. And now you can see all that fancy stuff I have here in the background. All my lights and all the things there. And so that's actually a very new shot. You're the first one to see behind the stage like this. And even there I can add myself on top again like this using a fade out version on the ATM mini. So I think that's it for the babble about the tech. Maybe we should take a question from somebody from the audience. So if there's anybody with an urgent question, I do have a list of questions here. Anybody want to speak, raise your hand or how would you do that? I don't know. I guess we can have a look. Just, I'm gonna ask you all to unmute, okay? So that you can chime in and say something. All right. So please say hello. If you have, if your video feed is on, give us a video. Yeah, hello, you're there. Hi. Hi. So anybody who wants to speak, now we can put you on here and see your life. Okay. And in theory, well, okay, there's people with a video camera. Well done. Thank you. So Ari, you sent a question via email. Yes. Welcome. So why don't we start there? Anybody else is still working. If you're not speaking in the actual conversation while we're talking here, please do mute your microphone, all of you. Otherwise we'll get the background noises, you know, the cat that walks by and the delivery people and things like that, right? So just keep it on mute. We can also do that for you. But okay, yeah, there's Brent also. That's good. So just, you know, keep coming in as you like. And so we'll take care of you. Ari, let's go to your first question. Okay. My question was that if you talk about the future, there seems to be two sides. Either the future is bright and very good for mankind, a lot of opportunities. But on the other hand, you have the same technology which, in fact, threaten mankind. So it's not all nice and beautiful, but it's also threatening. And when you think about corona, it's threatening and it's disturbing the whole society. And I was thinking, if I was a terrorist, I would go for a pandemic of the IT connection and really put down everything. And that's a horrible thought, yeah? Yeah. If you lost this connection stuff. Yeah, well, I mean, I think it's not new that technology can always be used for very good things and very bad things. And, you know, it's always dual purpose, right? That goes for energy. It goes for, you know, if you have a hammer, you can build a house or you can kill somebody with a hammer. And that's always been true. But now technology is so powerful that it can be exponentially causing damage when it's out of control, right? So I'm quite worried about that too. At the same time, history has shown that we actually know how to rule and limit technology. For example, nuclear weapons, you know, we did have two nuclear detonations and many people lost their lives. But we were able afterwards after 13 years to make a compromise that not everybody would use them, right? And I think it's kind of the same with, for example, artificial intelligence. It's kind of the same with excessive data use and so on. And I think that we can find a compromise but clearly that is a huge amount of work. And I find it always comes down to the sort of basic understanding if you think that humans are, by nature, good, then you would believe that we can find a way forward. Yeah, well, yeah. Hello. Yeah, we have another person here. No, one moment. Yes. We have a saying here. There are two kinds of people here, good people and bad people. One kind doesn't exist. Yeah, I'm a little bit more hopeful than this. I think that there's a lot of proven history that humans are not very good at predicting or learning, anticipating, without experiencing the trouble, right? So first they have fallen to a hole first and then we do something, right? We're not good at not falling in the hole. So I would agree with you. It's quite likely we're going to have an IT, a technology, a pandemic, right? We're going to have a technological attack, a virus, of course, right? Of a sort, whether it's terrorism or whether it's accidental, that may well be very, very expensive and also cost lives. I agree that's likely to happen. But just like the real pandemic, it is a question of being prepared. And this is where we failed in this pandemic, even though you have to say, my view is that if it hadn't been for technology in this pandemic, we would already have 100 million dead, right? So we weren't very well prepared, but we did actually use technology, for example, AI to predict the outbreak and so on. So I really think that is all about being prepared. And in the end, I do believe that people are not necessarily bad by nature. So I guess that's part of my job is having the positive outlook on the future. Any comment on this? So Juan David Carrera is there. Hello, welcome. Buenos dias. Buenos dias, girl. The Spanish is very well. Yes, yes, I'm a perfect Spanish speaker. I know at least five words. You can come back later, Ari, if you want to. But Juan, any questions or comments? Yes, yes, girl. First of all, thank you so much for to share with us all your thoughts on the thing is about the future. So I was reading, again, your book, Technology vs. Humanity, you know? And part of them, you talk about the key economy. So my question is, that you waited for the current pandemic situation, the post-pandemic, the future is, are you thinking that the economy will be more stronger or it will be changed after COVID-19? Yeah, that's a very good question. I mean, I think first of all, there really is no future after corona. It's a future with corona. And there is no going back to normal. We're not going back to normal, which is not. I think this is a reset in many ways, stressful and negative, but also hopeful for other things. I'll talk about that shortly. But this is a deep cut in our history. I think if you're 25 years old today, you will remember this event like my parents remember World War II, right? And we're not just going to say next year, well, that was the past and we're, you know, no. And I think that also has positive sides. So that's from the first thing. The second thing is that we're seeing that inequality is a big problem in the pandemic, right? So for example, in the US, 70% of infections are not white people, you know, they're black and brown people and poor people are really impacted. And I think the World Health Organization has said we're going to have 400 million more people in poverty as a result, right? So inequality is coming out with a focus, right? And I think this is a really important thing to realize is that the gig economy, for example, has been going on this kind of idea of not being covered in the same way and finding a cheaper way to source labor and to work independently, which is some good thoughts, right? But I think the gig economy needs to be rebooted to include social coverage and social security and responsibility of the contractor. Having said so, I think it should also be a choice of me, you know, if I want to be a gig worker to maybe be more detached than other people would be. So it's not a simple question, but I really think that the epidemic will lead to a lot more people becoming self-employed. And working remotely, right? So that is both good and bad, but clearly for the government, it's a big deal to figure out what to do. So I see my fellow futurist here, Nicola, on the other line, he's calling from Toronto, right? Are you? That's right, Gerd, Toronto. Oh, you have a fancy microphone as well. Thank you, yeah, half of the time it doesn't work every time that Microsoft or Zoom releases an update, it takes two or three weeks to get it working again. $1,000 for a microphone and working 50% of the time. Yeah, as well, that's why I'm an Apple user, you know? But I do have that constant problem. I have two cameras and two microphones and a backup and I had said, you know, because that happens all the time, I'm doing a lot of online work now and this is basically, you have to double up on everything, right? It's a pain. I do the same thing. I have a backup microphone on the webcam here, but that leads us to perhaps a good point about the future because $1,000 for a microphone and we get 50% of the time the tech to work. So I wonder, doesn't that say something about the tech? And today, Corey Doctor released a new article about how self-driving cars are bullshit and how he's a science fiction writer who has written numerous books where all the tricky stuff happens around self-driving autonomous vehicles and how, you know, that's very good tool for writing science fiction, but the reality of these cars is very different and how at the same time while he published this, Ford Motor Company, after investing $4 billion in their attempts to produce self-driving cars and be at the forefront of it to be pioneers are actually now kind of stepping back from it and pulling back because they don't think, they see the light in the tunnel yet. Well, you know, Nicola, I mean, by the way, everybody, Nicola is also a member of the Futures Agency and a keynote speaker. We're working together on some keynotes around the world, but this is the thing about AI, really what we're seeing until now and this is why there's some disappointment about autonomous driving, even though Elon Musk says he's going to blow that away in six weeks, right? But there's some disappointment because the reality is artificial intelligence today is really about intelligent assistance. You know, it's not AI, it's IA, right? It is helping us to do better things faster. With a great article yesterday, I actually printed it out so I can share with you, by the guys who wrote the report on the future of work, Frey and Osborn, you know, like three or four years ago, the great article this morning, I think it was in the Atlantic and they say it's the puzzle of artificial intelligence not in the quantity of data to which its algorithms have access, but in the efficiency with which it learns from the data. And this is a very important point. It says, even with huge amounts of data, AI systems are easily tricked into making errors, right? And the last paragraph, it says, AI algorithms can often identify objects, but they lack any conceptual understanding of the relationships between those objects and their respective properties, right? And this really addresses the self-driving car problem in my view. So I'm very much an optimist about autonomous driving. I think if I can get a car that drives level three or four, I'm already an happy man, right? It doesn't have to be level five. So with that, let's take one question here from YouTube. By the way, if you don't want to be in the video feed, you're welcome to turn off your camera or do whatever. I also have a question. So if you want to come back to me later, but I do have a question. Yeah, I'll take the question after I get this question from YouTube, okay? Sure. So here's a question from somebody that says, what do you think about AI robotics and space mining and the use of AI robotics in rare earth mining and its impact on the future of humanity? Now that's a heavy question. Well, first of all, I think it's quite clear that AI and mining is already happening and already creating lots of benefits, but also at the same time, creating worker displacement. What that means for space mining, I'm not an expert on that at all, but maybe Nikola is, you know? Do you have an answer on that, Nikola? I missed the first part. What do we think about space mining? Yeah, AI robotics and space mining and the use of AI in rare earth mining. You know, this whole narrative reminds me to sort of the great geographical slash colonizing discoveries of the 16th century onwards, right? We have the same narrative. First of all, let's go colonize the new world. Let's go colonize space. Let's go mine silver and gold in Latin America or South Central America and South America. Now let's go get all those things from space, right? So I wonder if it is honestly the best idea to start with that approach because think about it this way and this is just kind of a point of consideration. We know very little about Mars. We know very little about planets like that. So knowing that we destroyed so much on our beautiful planet earth by going with the mining operation in terms of genetic wealth, in terms of species, be it plant, be it animal, in terms of geography, et cetera, et cetera. My question is, is it really the best idea to go to a new planet that we know very little about like Mars or any other and start doing the same thing over again which is let's mine the whole thing out. Let's open pit mine and destroy the whole thing. And we honestly wouldn't know what we're destroying. Yeah, I'm with you on this one. I think it's a bit of a stretch. I mean, this is not an area that I know a whole lot about but I sometimes feel like people are talking about space and space mining and space exploration as a way of saying goodbye to what we have here and resources and how to fix our current problems. But let's go to your question, Nikola. And then I have two more questions that came in via email. So it's, I kind of wanted to share my struggle with you Gerd and take you for your input because you're much more experienced and knowledgeable with a decade and a half more experience than me in our industry. So here's sort of the dilemma that I'm struggling with right now. So on the one hand, I love being a keynote speaker and I've had tremendous positive feedback on my keynotes but one of the things that used to make me different and unique as you may remember is that I never used any tech when I did my presentations. I never used slides, I never used PowerPoint and I had so many people that came to me after I spoke or even send me emails afterwards to tell me how I stood out from everybody else and how much focus they were when they were listening to me and how I managed to connect with them. So okay, fine, so far so good. And that was also very useful for me in terms of positioning myself before the event. So there we have the age of COVID, right? So now I have no choice. I have to go tech but I'm struggling with this because yes, I can get a whole green screen and I can start and you're doing fantastic job. I've been watching your presentations, Gert, the one you did in Brazil was utterly phenomenal. You know, great job with the graphs, with the images, with you just have the best design and the best graphic team, I think. But you know, as much as I love and respect that I am personally not somehow, I'm struggling, I don't wanna do that. And I'm thinking, how can I do what I do without doing this? Because to me, it looks like we're kind of becoming the weatherman. The people on TV with green screens and showing them up with the weather is coming, you know, the tornado of the future and the hurricane of the future. Okay, we have to cut a short little bit now because we, just to comment on this, you know, it's funny you say the weatherman, you know, my wife keeps joking that I look like the weatherman now. But I think it all comes down to as to what you like. You know, I'm a musician. I grew up twiddling knobs. I, you know, plugging in equipment, holding stuff around. I mean, it took me four hours to set up my guitar synthesizer and all that fancy stuff I used to go on stage with. Four hours just to play the first note, right? And now I'm here setting up. So it all depends on what you like. And I like twiddling with stuff. I like studio stuff. I like techy stuff. I'm a bit of a nerd geek, you know. So that's fine. But I'm also really interested in telling a story with different narratives, you know? And I think the visual stuff really helps for this. So when I'm using stuff like, you know, just to show you sort of how that works here, you know, I use Apple keynote in the background like this. And then I basically, I just use my animations like in the background that bring up stuff like this, right? And then I compose that in keynote and I put a title and then I put a graph and I consume myself out and in using the auto control like this and things like that. So there's lots of stuff that are going on that some people would find superfluous or, you know, maybe gimmicky or so. But I think it helps me to get my story across. And that all depends on what you like. It's just like, you know, you're going to open a restaurant and you're going to make burgers or you're going to make vegan food, you know? I think that's really what it comes down to. The hard thing, there's also a question that ties right into this. The hard thing about all this stuff is how do you make a connection with people virtually, right? That's the key for me because that's where I believe I was doing very well. And that's why I had repeat clients, you know, in the Nordic countries and other places. That was the key point for me. And now I'm, and I love what you do, but you do GERD, you know, and that's Oscar Wilde said, be yourself, everyone else is taken. So you do GERD very well, but I don't want to be a second GERD. I don't want to be a lower price GERD. I want to be me and I want to have my own style. And my problem is now we're kind of becoming all like this. Yeah, you know, my feeling on that is it's a pivoting moment, you know? All of us are turning into a new direction. And it's not that I particularly like, not, I mean, I love going people. I mean, as a musician, I look down on 20,000 people in my heydays. And now when I speak a gig, I look at 1,000 people. And I get an instant feeling and you don't have that, right? There was a question from Brent Davidoff who was on the call already from South Africa, right? One of his questions was, how do you create rapport with a virtual audience when you can't see them? Oh, Brent is there. Hello, Brent. Hello. You may as well comment on this if you wish, but basically this is more like television. And you have to have a strong intuition and imagination about what it looks like on the other side. And it took me, I don't know, this is maybe my 110th or so session online. And so after a while, you either get good at it or you hate it, you know? And how do you create rapport with a real audience? Well, the answer is you practice, right? And eventually you learn it. So Brent, do you wanna comment on this or you wanna add a question to this? You call me from South Africa, right? Yes, and it's so wonderful to be with you here and all the other people on this engagement. And to say, I think I love what you said about it being about imagination and imagining through your experience of empathy, what is going on with the people who are watching you. And then I think that you've given yourself permission or so to, I find that awkwardness so endearing. And so everyone's so scared of making like a bit of a mistake or something. It is so ridiculously hard to learn how to interact with these screens and to make that not like distracting for yourself or for others, but you go at it and you go at it and you're gonna be, no one else is gonna be, it takes just going at it and going at it and being okay just to not be perfect but carry on. And I think that it's, for me, it's quite inspiring. Well, yeah, I think the thing I've learned is over the years, I mean, I used to, I flew 359 times in 2019, four times a day sometimes, right? To speaking gigs and now I don't fly at all. And I'm looking at this green light. So I can totally reset, it's like reminds me when I was a musician and producer, one day a guy came up and said, let's go on the internet and do a startup and digital music. I'm like, what do you mean? I can't do that. I don't know how that works, right? And I think this is something inherent in what I call a future mindset, you know, is that you can reinvent, you can question yourself. I have no doubt about Nicola that you're gonna find a really great way of doing this. And whether it's techie or not, I think my view is that technology is now becoming so intuitive that even somebody mildly talented with knob twiddling and stuff like myself can do a pretty good job. And I also feel like- It's also you, it's still you. That's what's so amazing. You know, you're using these tools and still it doesn't feel like it's overextension. Still feels like it's you. Yeah, again, you know, if you would see my studio, then you would know what overextension looks like, right? Let's see if I can actually show this because it went away. But nevermind, I keep struggling with attack as you can see. There's another question from Brent here that you posted and I think you're in South Africa right now. So what a beautiful country, but what a tough place to be in. You know, one of my good friends, Anton Musgrove is a futurist in Cape Town. And I love Cape Town. I love South Africa. I played in African bands for a long time playing high-life music and African music. So I have a good feel for this but it's a tough place to be right now is what I hear, especially with COVID but otherwise also the tough and beautiful at the same time. So you have a question. You says that the TV show Black Mirror, which will all seem to be fans of, has it freaked us out enough to alter the trajectory of tech in our lives? Another question, another viewpoint is basically saying that we've seen what this looks like on Black Mirror and other TV shows. Does that mean we're going to act, right? I don't know. I don't think so. I think it's actually one of the worst things you can do if you want to shape the future is to watch science fiction Hollywood stuff. Even though Black Mirror isn't Hollywood, thankfully, it has some very, very good scenes. I love Black Mirror. It's giving me the stuff to think about, right? But will people go into action mode? No, I think action mode is, I think there are some movies where people go into action mode afterwards. Like, you know, maybe Blade Runner, I don't know. Maybe Paris Texas or so, I don't know. But generally speaking, I think this is probably a stretch. You know, as I said earlier, I think people are going to take action when they feel like there's something at stake. It's pain or love, I always say, right? You do something if you have pain or you have love. Otherwise, you don't tend to do anything. And I think we're going to, unfortunately we're going to see some pain in this whole process. And that's how we may take action. But I'm generally more positive on this. I think that if we pay too much attention to mainstream media, we tend to think that everything is going to hell. I mean, if you read the news a lot, it's kind of that message, right? But funnily enough, I just published a piece about what I call the American Renaissance. And I think this is a great case study. America is going to hell in the last four years. Everything that was once good is even getting worse, right? I think we agree on that. But now because of this, you know, with a Democratic president and maybe a Democratic Congress, I mean, maybe even Canadians would have hope for America. I don't know. Nikolaj can tell us about this. We feel we are too close to America currently. We have something like 8,600 kilometers. It's the longest undefended border in the world. And we are very concerned here. And there's a lot of public sentiment here in Canada that we have to build a wall to protect ourselves from the Americans, especially during COVID-19. And there's been a lot of confrontation at the borders of Americans trying to come to Canada and break the closure of the borders. And Canadians are pushing back very hard on this. So we are concerned. Yes. Well, in the piece I say basically what's going to happen is that when America reboots, a lot of things will be brought back and we're going to see a huge amount of global development coming out of this. But of course that's a vastly optimistic view. I just published it on Medium. I called it the Great American Pivoting and take a look if you feel like it, but yeah. I actually took a look, Gerd, and I tend to disagree with you a lot because for me... You're putting way too much optimism in the Democratic Party, but to me personally, Joe Biden is a perfect representation at 78 years old of everything that was wrong with the system before Trump. It is the reason why people run towards Trump. And so now... Yeah, let's not get too political on this. You know, I didn't want to dive into the American politics thing actually. You know, and I have to tell you, I only have about 10 or 12 minutes left because I'm doing another call in with a show that I'm doing today in Rio de Janeiro. So this is the kind of like the global hopping I do these days, you know, just from one virtual place to the others. We have a few more people on the call. We have another YouTube question. If anybody else wants to speak or so just give us a chat. So well, we have a question here from YouTube. What are some of the immense applications of AI that will have profound impact in the next two decades that you haven't been worked on yet? Well, that's a tough question. You know, I'm not that much of an expert on AI. I think as I was saying earlier, right now the impact of AI is really IA, intelligent assistance. And we're going to see that absolutely everywhere in the medical business and the healthcare business in disease recovery and also in, of course, new medications that are being discovered in the lab. And that's all very practical stuff. It's not rocket science, well, it is rocket science, but it's not the magic wand, you know, it's not like what's that movie called Ex Machina. So it is not at all like this. Personally, I think we are in many ways creating too much of a hype about the miraculous AI and not paying enough attention to the actual AI that we're seeing all around us. And I'm personally, I'm quite hopeful for the impact of AI on climate change. That is the number one thing I've been looking at recently. But having said that, I keep saying in all my talks that we can have all the amazing tech, but if there's no will to use it correctly, then we still have nothing. So it's technology cannot fix social or cultural problems. So Ari is back. You want to ask another question, Ari? Or anybody else? Otherwise, we'll take another question here. Okay. I can ask you a question. Yeah, well, hang on a second. I have to take this one first there. Sorry. So we have a YouTube question. How do you see Europe in the future? Will there be a dropout a few countries and set in your currency as the politics of Europe to slow for the world, especially for China? Yeah. Well, I'm a total optimist as far as Europe is concerned. I think we're seeing the progressive move towards what I call the United States of Europe. I know that's wildly optimistic, but look what happened the last two months, right? European Parliament, the Commission, the Germans, you know, they found their way forward into solidarity, right? And this is unprecedented. And Merkel has been saying for decades that she would never, ever give free money to Italy or to Spain. And now we have it, right? So my view is we're either going to have solidarity without almost any limits, almost, right? Or we have nothing, right? And so I'm very positive on Europe. I think we're slow. We're old fashioned. We don't have a future mindset, but we're learning. And so I have great hope for Europe. And I think I live in Switzerland for practical reasons. You know, we are also part of this, even though we're not formally part of it. So I have a very positive view on the United States of Europe. Anybody else? Yeah, comments? Yeah. If you look at the future, I get this feeling that I like paradox, yeah? Where you can say local becomes global and global becomes local. What I mean by that, if you look at the production process, everything is produced all over the world. In my opinion, in the future, people will have design stuff and we will produce locally the products just by 3D printing and stuff like that. And if you talk about local becomes global, nowadays, if you talk about climate change, if you talk about regulations, if you talk about tax, we try to solve it locally while we should address it globally. So this paradox, local, global, global, local is something I like. And the moment you think about it, you will see it all the time. So... I think you're correct on this one. I think we're seeing both localization, like self-sufficiency and changing of supply change. But the real large issues that concern us, climate change, food, energy, medical and healthcare, those are global issues that we have to solve together. So I think we're both going to have a global government eventually. That's my hope. But we still will have strong localization and of course, strong local cultures at the same time. That's going to be quite, you know, in Switzerland, we kind of have this already. We have the Federation and we have our canthones and they're very independent, right? So that's a bit of a model, I think that we could take there. But I'm a great believer of global governance as far as the top level issues are concerned. That's the only way that we can solve those issues. But otherwise, I agree on the local perspective that you bring in there, definitely. We have five minutes left. So any other questions, any urgent things? Okay. If there is anything African countries should focus on developing improving besides technological infrastructure? Yes. Well, I always say culture eats technology for breakfast. And the future will not be determined by how good you are with tech. I mean, if you're bad with tech, then you're going to have a problem. You know, I think we can all agree on that, right? But the ticket for the future is not just to be good with tech or to have a degree in tech or to know how to use Zoom, you know? It's hard to be a good human, right? And I think that in Africa has such amazing potential culturally and with people and to bring that forward and to bank on that would definitely be a wise decision. I know it's a little bit hard to figure out, you know, when you're looking at the current landscape, it seems like anything with tech is going to be the winner. Anything without tech will be the loser, right? But it's never like this, right? I think the future is really quite clear when machines become smart, then the humans do what only the humans can do, right? Which is being truly intelligent, emotionally intelligent, socially intelligent, culturally intelligent, which may eventually happen to machines, but that's quite a way off. So that will be my advice for Africa. I've only been there a few times, but that's not just bank on technology. Another question, this would probably be the last one because otherwise I have a freaked out organizer here on the phone for real-time error where I'm doing the hacking Rio event. Anybody else, Humberto? Hello, you wanna... Oh, you have a fancy microphone as well. That's good. I want to sell microphones these days. It would be a great business. Yeah. Hello, my name is Humberto. I'm from Mexico City. And I am an architect. And right now I'm doing my PhD. So my research topic are related with innovation, quality and risk management. So my question is about since the panorama, the view from Mexico, it's kind of complicated with the politics climate, with the relation with the United States and China. And the pandemic with the COVID. What are your thoughts about the future for Mexico? Well, you're not giving me any easy questions today. That's for sure, right? Well, I've been to Mexico quite a few times. The last time I was there, I was really impressed. And the same, by the way, goes also for Columbia, which I was years ago and I wasn't so impressed, but I think Mexico will take a different fate when the problem in America is cleared up. And that will invariably happen. I think Trump now has less than 10% approval rate and very little chance of coming again. So that should also lift the rising tide, will float all boats, right? For Mexico. And I think generally speaking, it's kind of a place where I would say, a few things have to be straightened out, but it has great potential. It has talented engineering, great universities. It has its own local culture and so on. So I've been quite amazed at Mexico lately. But this is a complex question. I think Mexico has so many challenges right now. Let's just say honestly, I think until the end of 2021, it's mostly about survival. And I think that's really unfortunately true for so many places. I always say in my speeches about the post-corona world, let's be honest, survival, adaptation, collaboration, eventually we transform. That's really what it is right now. And all of us are in the same pattern. And to understand the future and to be able to mold it. But I look at this current time as a great chance for a reset, climate change reset, political reset, solidarity reset, a globalization reset and to question things that were unquestionable before. And by the way, I also see a great amount and with that I have to close. I see a huge shift into funding and money for healthcare, of course, for anything social, social work and other things. Money shifting away from military and oil and gas to this new agenda. And I think that's primarily a good development. It will take a while to shake out, but this is why I have great hope for next year. There are a lot of resources available on my post-corona or actually I've recently started calling it the with corona future, the future with corona because there's really no post-corona visible right now. There's an information hub called postcoronafuture.com and of course there's my YouTube channel where I'm posting a lot lately. And I'm also gearing up for a new TV show. It's called Where Are We Going? And this is kind of part of my own pivoting from the stage to looking at here like this. So I'm sorry I have to keep us a little bit short, but the other organizers in Brazil will expect me on this call here shortly. So I wanna thank you very much for tuning in. If you have any more questions, please just post them on YouTube or use the contact form in future with gearing.com and I'll be posting this whole thing on YouTube so you can watch it again. And we're gonna make this a regular thing at least once a month. And next time we'll have more time. I think we did this once about eight weeks ago and we ended up spending two and a half hours but we didn't record it. So thanks very much for tuning in guys. And stay safe, stay optimistic. We'll get out of this on the other end with a good solution. All right.