 Thank you for staying with us. If you're just joining us as well, if you are on time for the first conversation of the day, and we are talking about what next after Casey is seen. Now that we have the results, we don't care. Are you a phone for, you know, a candidate anymore? Are you a phone for a lever? Or do you know someone who has just finished from for this is for them? And it may just be for you if you're at home and you are trying to figure out your career and what to do next. This might just also apply to you. And for this particular conversation, I've been joined by Odiambohabat. He is an evangelist, our dedicated teacher from Maranda. He teaches at Maranda and also a career coach. Welcome. Thank you so much, Stephanie. Happy new year. Happy new year. We met last year. Of course. Thank you. So first of all, let me take this opportunity to congratulate 2023 candidates by extension Maranda High School and our pioneer algorithm boys. Okay. Yeah. So you performed really good. According to this paper with me here, I have the standard. Now that you work for Maranda, I believe you're very proud. According to this paper, Maranda is number three. Well, three times Maranda has started with Capsabet Boys. And this is according to the number of A's that they've gotten. The first one being Mui High School Kabarak with 62 A's. Then we have Alliance High School with 54 A's. Then Capsabet Boys and Maranda High have 53 A's. So you must be a one proud teacher. Yes, of course. Good. What do you make of this result before we get into our conversation? Because according to a different paper that I read early in the morning, they were saying there's been a flop because around 600 and something students, let me just get the right figure, 600 and something, that should be people daily, have actually 690,000 students fail to score the varsity entry point. That's C plus. And also we think a good number of A's is here. So how do you think of the performance generally? I think basically I think the performance was okay. The boys did their best. Of course that is an indication of a normal curve. So I think it was just okay. So it was fair enough? It was fair enough for the boys and for the students. For the boys and for the girls. Yes. All right. So now we're talking about students who have scored those that actually fall in that category of 690,000 students who have won. Got in the C plus. The C plus. So what next for them? Sometimes students do think that KCAC is all that it is about life. That life is all about KCAC. I think there are so many things that happen after KCAC. There's a life to live after KCAC. And the sooner the students know, the better because it will help them align their purpose and goals. If you're expecting to get a C plus in KCAC and you fail, does life stop there? Do you stop? It doesn't. Okay. Yeah. And if you were planning to go to the university, but again, you don't make it, does it mean an end to your dreams? So there's hope even to that student who's called a C plane and below. Okay. So there's hope and it's actually not, it doesn't, the results don't determine your future. Yes. Sure. The question we're actually asking on social media, we're asking guys how the KCAC has affected their future. So one way or the other, does it influence the person that you become? The results? Yeah. The results. Let's say you get an A. Does it influence the person you become? If you get a D, does it affect the person you'll be? I think it all has to do with attitude and mindset because we know if you go through the pages of history, the people that are very successful, some didn't do very well in high school, and others are also very successful. Yes, they did very well in high school. And I don't think it really changes much, but though passing in your exam is a springboard, it's like a springboard. You know, you can't do away with that. But I believe that it shouldn't bring you down. Even if you didn't get what you wanted, there's still hope. There's hope. But we also know it's missing the fact that it's actually very important and springboard, it propels you further if you actually pass, but if you haven't, then there's still hope. So how do you think parents should react to this? Because it's actually also influenced by the reaction of the parents towards the student. The community looks at the parent, the parent looks at the student, and everyone else, their eyes are new. So sometimes the influence around you is not even new. It's the pressure that you get from people around you, or the feeling of disappointment that you get from them. So how do you advise even parents to react to that, to respond to this? Okay, so basically, you see when students go to school, I understand that the parents have the expectations. And that is a lot of pressure from the system that I come from. Normally, you get students talk and they say, you know, I have to do this for my parent. I have to pass for my parent. I have to maybe get an A for my parent. So you will find students that are propelled by the pressure, but not motivated because their passion isn't there, you see. Simply what I'm trying to say is this. There are so many parents that are pressuring their sons and daughters to get a specific grade to get maybe to a desired course or something like a profession, you see. But with a student, the student might be interested in pursuing maybe, let me say journalism, and the dad or the mom wants the student to pursue maybe law or something like that. So the passion is not there, but the papers are there, you see. So when it ends in a way like now when the student fails to get what the parent expected, I think we should sit down and say, now this is what we have on the table. You've given us a C plus and we expected a B plane or we expected an A, you see. So from here, what do we do? So they sit and check on the strengths and maybe see where to build. They start building and sharing the student on. Okay. And with the new system that's also placing the students in the university, how fair is it fair enough for me to sit in because I see that now they select its mathematics and language and the five top subjects that they squad best at. I can't comment much on the grading system of the country per se, but I think what the system should do, it should carry out a market study to get to know that in the future, in the next four years, how many doctors do we need? In the next four years, how many nurses or how many teachers do we need? So that they don't give an open ground or an open system where people basically, you know, they just sit for the example, qualify for doctors, but to be doctors. But in the end, we have a lot of people in the field that are not absorbed. So I think that is what should be considered. And even on the grading system, when they are coming up with those various strategies of grading, we should have that in mind so that we don't have people all over the market that are not absorbed. And the lack of employment there. All right. So now back to the students. So what next now? How would you advise them to go about life after form four? Thank you so much. I think getting done with form four brings an end to a hard life and pressure. And you know, the expectation that the education system brings, not per se, to the tertiary levels, but up to form four. You understand the pressure. So when the student is done with his form four, he sits at home, and now he has a freedom that wasn't there initially, you see. So they are stranded. Now, what do I do with this freedom that I have? I have all the time. Probably I'm going to be here for one year. What do I do with this time that I now have? How am I going to? So some parents also share in this, because they have never been at home with their parents for that long. So they don't know how to approach this as well. So you find some end up maybe getting gadgets for their sons and daughters to keep them busy with the field as they wait to enroll for the university. But again, it is important to take note that this time, this season, maybe one year or two, the six months that they'll be out, they have to do something. And you know, when you're done with your tertiary levels, when you're done with your campus, you're fresh from campus, you normally have your CV, but you are discouraged to walk into offices because it is one-page CV. So at this point, this is a time when a student or a form for liver can, of course, try to balance and work on some areas that can help build the CV, either one by enrolling for short courses. This is a time they can enroll for short courses. By short courses, you mean the likes of computer packages? Yes, the likes of computer packages, languages with a German or French. They can check on things like guidance and counseling, graphic design, you see. I think that can add, maybe later on, when they're done with their university education, then that can add to the professional experience that they have. So we have that, they need to check on the short courses. Most even computers are very important. It's very important because the market is evolving and each and every new day you find they're incorporating IT everywhere. We also have companies that will require graphic designs, people to do the marketing, branding, and all that stuff. So the math skills you have, the better IT is for you in terms of more marketable. You're very marketable, you see. You see, for example, in our case, you have a student with an A plane, maybe you have two students with an A plane, they come to you here today, they want a job with an opening. And you need to strike out because you have to pick the best. So yes, they're all form for us. They have all A's, all of them, they have their A's. And you need to pick the best. Of course, you'll go for the guy that has extra, you see. Okay. So you need to have that extra factor. And this is the time for them to actually go out and get that extra factor because they have time. And time, the time is not for Netflix and chill because, you know, a lot of, I don't know, from what I know there. Now just having fun, you know, enjoying the time of their life, the freedom, and now that the results are out, you know, before the results are out, you usually have the nervousness, oh, you don't really enjoy. There's that pressure, you see. There's that pressure. And now that the pressure is off, now they want to relax. But now is actually the time to go out. This is the time to build themselves. So they need to go out. There's so many online, even online. Online courses. There's so many online courses that they can register. Very free. You check with the Google, you'll find even data analysis. Such courses are there, very free. So even marketing, they can find them there. They can even start working before they get to university. The online jobs that are there, that's created. We have Agila, you know, platforms that the government has provided that's actually giving people opportunity. So it's actually a good thing because when you finish from four, you're 18 already and you can do a lot of things. So you just make use of the resources that you have. And before they pick on maybe the short courses, you know, there are some key things. There are things that must be set in place before. And one, they must have an ID. Like if you're done with your form four and you are of age, just try and look for your ID. That is one. Get an ID. Just get an ID. You see? You know, that makes you a citizen. And then two, make sure you have an email address. Of course it will help you in joining, when you're joining, when you're playing for the university, the courses and all that. The lecturer will be communicating through such, you see. And of course, they must also be awake. Like they have their eyes open everywhere. Yeah. You know, these are basic things that you need to have. You're now a citizen. And then lastly, they need to have a bank account. Whether they like it or not, you know, you'll have to, you must have a bank account. You need to have a bank account. Yeah. Okay. This is some of the basics. Those are some of the basics. And then now we can move on to the short courses. And then we also have, apart from the short courses, you know, they can also learn to develop their talents. You see? Like, if I'm good at drawing, this is the time to perfect my skill. I have six good year, I mean, six good months, six good months to stay at home or even one year perhaps. Yeah. To perfect in my skill. So you can perfect the talent that you have. If you know how to play an instrument, a sax, you can learn. If you don't know, you can actually learn. This is the time you can use that to learn. You can learn how to play the pianos, the guitar. You can train yourself to dance. You see? Yeah. These are things you can do that can really help you grow and develop yourself. So do the most that you can or the little that you have, make the most out of this time. And you've mentioned email address. So you have, you haven't told from four leavers how email addresses you have professional names. You get people using their Facebook names or their email addresses, but it should be professional. Yeah. Of course, you need to. There's a time, there's a time I was receiving some applications and it was just through Gmail and the emails that I received. Somebody has an email like gengetonatgmail.com you see or a boozling at gmail.com. So you know, even that image that the email portrays, you know, when you look for a serious company to employ you, they look at whether you are still a boy or you are a man. Okay. So basically they will go for men and men go for class, you know, things like that. Exactly. So keep it as professional official names and that's it. You can add numbers to it. I mean, it's very easy to create an email. So now let me ask you for those that it's also the time that I believe they're choosing what they want to study. Some have not decided yet and it's usually a difficult place for some people to be in. So what would you, how do you advise them to choose their careers? Because this is also a very serious thing to do. When you choose wrong, then your four years, if it's a degree, you go through it and some people actually do the degree and decide this is not what I wanted to do where they do another, which is fine for them. But to save that time, how do you decide on the right career path? Thank you. So I've been interacting with people and there's one time I met a guy in the streets out there and then he was a graduate but I found him selling some stuff that was really paying very well. So I asked him, why are you not going for the job that you studied? Like something like that. And then he gave me one question that all the minds, every thought ends in money, you see. Like everything that you do in the long run, what you want is money. So I think I don't want to buy into that much, but you need to get something that can put food on the table and can give you a comfortable life. Something that you like doing, that you enjoy doing. Of course, this is the time when we have the parents at war with their kids. I want you to go for medicine and that I know that I want to be a musician, you see. So what do we do? How do we strike this balance? They need to seek a counselor. They need to sit down and talk about it. With a counselor. But there are those that, you know, it's easier said than done for those that their parents aren't open to say, you know, they have said it, we are paying fees. I'm the one paying the fee. Yes, whether you do this course or you go and find your way by yourself. So do you go with what the parents want you to do or do you, what do you do? Now what would you do? I don't know. Personally, I think I'd advise you speak to someone who can speak to your parents, you can get through to them. And yeah, but you have to have a good conviction that the course that you want to do is actually what you are, you are passionate about, right? So such that you do not make a mistake. If you want to do medicine and your parents are telling you to do low, you have to have a conviction that medicine is what I'm actually called to, you know, this is my passion. This is what will drive me, not make the right, the wrong choice, you know, at the end of the day. So according to you, you've said you're learning to passion and something that will also bring you money. Yes, at the end of the day, it's all about money. Yeah, in as much as there are other things, but again, they will revolve around money. You need money to make food, you need money to dress, you need money to do everything. So you will also have to look at that. And then again, I would really advise the young men and girls that are watching this today, that they need to go for courses that are, you know, it's not all about a degree. Yeah, it's not about a degree. You might have your C plus, but it's not about going to the university. Look at the market, study the market before you sit for that course, check on the market availability, you see. You know, we have been in the system where you go to the university and you find a course that has a funny name. It might be very interesting. And you say, now this one is the one I want. This one that talks about animal husbandry. This one I want. You see, this one that talks about anthropology or something like that. Yeah. So you end up having or taking time, maybe four, five years through a system, you know, taking a course. And at the end of the day, you go back to other things that you really didn't. And related to your course. So you need to take your time right now and study the market, take your time, study the market and get to know which course is really ideal for you at that particular point. These technical courses are very important in as much as people tend to debate much about them. Yeah, they give you that practical skill that you need to go out there to employ in the market. So the technical courses, maybe you can mention them so that they know. We have technical courses like the plumbing, we have the service there. Hands-on. Yeah, hands-on, you know. Kind of courses, right? Oh, course. So those help you to make a living even when, you know. Even when you're not employed. You can have something to do. You aren't from them. And now for those that haven't made their C plus and above mark, the vocational training, the TV training, they can go to that. It's also a good start. And that's what you're also just saying. It's a good start for them. It's a good start. It's a good start. It will give you a stepping stone, you see. And again, some time back I met a guy who told me that as you're leaving the institution, don't go out to look for jobs, be a job creator. So try to have that mindset. I'm not going to school to study so that I be employed at the end of the day. I want to get out of the institution as a teacher, find or get to learn how the system works. I go start a school somewhere, a private school somewhere and I employ people. Have a mindset of a job creator. You know, you have to, because the world is becoming very competitive, very, very competitive. Yeah, okay. Create employment for people out there. Create employment. Then you are going through, yeah. Thirdly, what next after for you need to give back to the community? You know, you are in school for the four years. You're not there with your mom. Sometimes you came occasionally when the schools were closed and you are all over, you know, you've got back to, this is that time, that attachment is not there. I don't know if you're getting me. So that attachment isn't there. So you need to give back to the community. When you're back, take your time, visit the orphanages, the children's home, visit the hospitals, you see. Go visit some elderly women somewhere, do the cleaning, slash for them, you know, all this stuff. It will help you learn some things that you are not able to learn during your school time. Be available. Give back to the community. Give back to the community. Social responsibility to everyone of us and it actually builds on your CV once you get to university and you're looking for opportunities. You know, you don't have much on your CV as you had said, but you put on the volunteer work that you did, you went to a children's orphanage, you are helping out with this and that, you know, they actually help you out. And what is the place, even as you come to a conclusion on this particular conversation, what is the place of you as a phone for liver, looking for mentors, you might not know who exactly, you know, how do you look for mentors? You want to know who's doing this particular course that you want to go into. So how to go about looking for the right mentors? You know, for the right mentors, you must have your goals set first. You must come up with your goals and maybe the plan. What do you want? Once you have what you want, then maybe you can benchmark with people who does the same thing that you want in line with what you want. And then you just do a follow-up, meet the people that are on the same line with what you're doing. It is just that simple. You don't have to strain much. All right, so look for people who are on the same line that you want to get into and ask the right questions and get the right advice from them. Okay, that's amazing. I don't know if I've missed something on what next after FOMFOR. I think probably those for now would be very elite. Maybe lastly, look for a job, something small. If you can't go by the talent, if you don't have the skills, maybe the talent, you don't have the short courses, you can as well look for something to keep you busy. The idea that you're trying to create here is that idleness. That is what we don't want. So if you get a job, it might be working at a cyber cafe or maybe a restaurant somewhere, a petrol station. There are so many things you can do hands-on. Maybe you are just on the reception desk. It really doesn't matter how much or how little you are earning from that, but it will teach you so many things. It will teach you responsibility. You will learn how to be responsible. It will teach you how to socialize with people. So it is important to try and do something. Don't stay at home otherwise. Whatever you do, do not be idle at home. Make use of the time that you have, the resources around you, the people around you, the mentors, and choose the right courses according to your passion and according to what is marketable in the industry, in the country even right now. Okay, amazing. So before I close, what are some of the courses that are actually marketable? Currently we have technical courses. I can say technical courses are much more marketable because they provide you with hands-on experience, those skills. We have other courses like medicine, we have law and all those. Those ones are for the other category, you see, but also this category that did not qualify for the C+. So I can advise them to go for them, the technical courses. The technical courses are actually very marketable now. And I would also say the courses around technology and all that are evolving. So those are some of the other marketable courses that are there. All right, so I am tempted to ask you a question based on your other title that you have as an evangelist. We were talking about Satin Joshua. Yes, Satin Exposiver has been done by BBC. What's your reaction to it? Okay, though I haven't really taken time to watch, I tried looking at it on my way, but I didn't really take much time. I just rushed through. I think I did the first episode, but this is what I can say. The world as it stands, truth is very rare, very, very rare. And people need to sit down and read their Bibles, sit and read your Bible, get to know God as an individual person. Like you hear people say, Jesus Christ is my personal savior. Let Christ be your personal savior. So many people know about God, but very few know God. It takes an experience to know God, you see. I cannot know the Word of God. I read it. I have all the rhyming words at the end of my summons. But again, it's just the Word of God that I know, but I don't know the God of the Word. So it is important to have a personal relationship with God at this time. I'll not really pick cherry-pick, but it would be very clear to the church why the world is becoming the police of the church. It's because they have failed somewhere. These things, they see them every day, but they do nothing about them. You try talking about them, they'll brand you, hey, you are judging, you are judgmental, you are these, you are that, you see. But again, because God loves his church, he loves the church, that is why he's exposing such people. My take, though I haven't really interacted with TB Joshua, and I also haven't received a special communication from God concerning him, but there are some things I have seen that are not in line with the Bible. That is my take for now, and as Habat. And Habat, know God for yourself, read the Word, and it's a personal relationship. It's a personal relationship. It's not about just the religious system. We have a system that tells you once you can go to church, once you have a covering, you are all good, once you can give a tenth, a tenth. You are good, you can go and... Yeah, they don't read the Bible. They don't take their personal time for devotion. That's why they become so vulnerable to deception, you see. So you need to develop a relationship with God. You need to know Jesus. Take your time, study the Word. Take your time and read the Word. Yeah, get lost somewhere with Jesus. How easy. I think that's a good reaction to it, a good response. So yeah, do not allow yourself to be deceived. That has been Habat, Odeemo, he is an evangelist. That's why he's commented on that. Apart from that, we have been discussing on Martin's education because he is a dedicated teacher currently teaching at Miranda High School, one of the top schools that have performed well in this, the recently released KCSE examination. So that's why we put a cup on it. But we have another interesting conversation coming up next with Brian Sakwa. So stick with us. See you on the other side of the break.