 Okay, I'm calling the meeting to order at 6.03. Ranzi has the poison this evening, so this won't be great, so I'm gonna run the meeting. We'll talk. Can we just start here, Cindy Tiner? All turn in. John, please. I'll do the next one. John, who's the one? I'll be asking. I'll be asking. I'll be asking. I'll be asking. Okay. I'm excited to be here. So I believe that you are publicized here, right? Yes. Yes. From the museum, yes? Yes, museum. Where are you here? You're here today for? Art on the Move? Oh, sorry. I understand the question. We're here today for Art on the Move. Okay. Any minutes? Any corrections? I gave Angela some corrections earlier, so can I make moments? Okay. I move that we accept the corrections as amended. Any seconds? All in favor? That's cool. We have any additions or corrections to the March 16th agenda? Yes. So we're moving some things around. Did anybody print it out for you? No. Okay. And here's Leo. Can we ask one new, you know? Yes. There you go. Okay. Anyone? Anyone? Yeah. Can you two share? Yes. In the name of saving. Okay. So we're moving what we put online or moving. Counselor's points, number 14 up to number 6. Everything then subsequently is moving down. And I'm adding to 12C the commission application. This is Leo. Then everything I just handed out, don't look at that. Are you serious? By this old one, it says Counsel updates 13 in the future. Okay. Let's look at this one. This one is correct. All right. All right. Other than that, we're good to go. Wait. Oh, the one I'm looking at is right. Hold on. Angela, can you not see me? I can print it to the downstairs. Okay. Just take what you want. Does anybody really need to print it one badly? No. Go and look at the three. Okay. How about that? All right. Now we're good to go. That looks good. Okay. This is right. So next then is a council update. Oh, just letting you know that the council had retreat this past weekend. And we went through a prioritizing activity to figure out where we were as a council in regards to giving direction to Harold. And so that should be I think it's a PowerPoint somewhere on the city website and not you know, make sure that it's to y'all. It's just right now there's a little hardship in regards to finding people to fill the spots and then from a point of view, our legal team under Jean May just lost one of their star lawyers to another community which they've lived in. So it's really trying to balance what we can do and what we can't do. The issues that really directly pertain to our public places of the just if it's the math power or maybe the important installations or anything like that. But I think we'd be aware of that at the time. So I just, you can do the heads up. Any questions? You have a comment. Thank you, Sean. We'd love to hear from you all. I feel like it's the background that I want to see. In the second of March, we had the orientation about some bolts, what we did and why we did it. And who was able to come to that? Does anybody have any comments? Did you think it was helpful? Anybody not think it was helpful? Was there something that should have been there that after you went home and slept on it? It was just a massive overview of missions and boards and I still have questions. Is there anything that's still in the room? Yes! All right. I have one suggestion. One thing that we didn't go through, but we've gone through it. These needs are the inspection sheets. So if it would be nice to go through the inspection sheets, it would be more helpful in our review of the maintenance and the sheets. Project update the Blander site. We are chugging along on that. We're working on the irrigation and the concrete work and the wood mill schedule to have it completed and... They're welcome today. By the summer. It's all going right on the plan. Okay, so 9th and Alpine Evan is going to get updates for communications and marketing initiatives and community engagement on that. Yes, sir. So right now we're working on the irrigation and we get out of the new center because can you speak up just a little bit? Yes, sir. Okay. So we just sent out an e-mail or about a send out to the new center about how the community has taken one of the days specifically to sort of review those for the planning. Anybody have any questions? Only one more thing to note about 9th and Alpine. That does not have designs for us to look at today, which we'll need that I will contact all of you having another meeting with Simon rather than just doing task force, I'm just going to put out a call to everyone at the very last moment, I think Thursday April 13th, which is exactly a week before our next meeting will be the drop dead. So you can anticipate seeing something for me. And my hope is that you will have two directions for us to say based on our January 26th conversation. Yes, this is the direction that we like, or of these two directions we like and prefer one over the other. And then over find and present to us April 21. You really are jazzed about at the Alpine April 21. Yes, May the 19th through the 21st. That is Thursday, Friday Saturday and Sunday. Yes. And in addition obviously to painting, it's also going to be commissioner volunteer shifts, like all the months we're setting up, air down, handing out paint brushes, cleaning brushes, I mean all the logistics that come with a community paint. You are going to be absolutely needed and begged to come and do that work and also painting will be involved in that. So when we put out the community paint schedule I'll invite you to please share with the community, but not sign up for those shifts, because you yourself enjoy your volunteer shifts. And Evan is going to be pivotal in seeing that those community paint shifts are filled and that's this engagement process that he's working on is getting, starting to prime the community to sign up for those painting shifts. I've done the move 2D that we did last month and I hope you all saw the stable swings hanging there in the atrium. Don't they look bad? Oh my god, they look so good. They've been wearing steel, we've been the little people photos. She's under contract and she'll be delivering at the end of the week that is next week and we're going to do the install on Monday the 27th. And Judge Bird is very excited. And Tara Johnson who does the juvenile programs art therapy programs with, and I don't know the first order of justice is the right language but he's super excited. She said what a jovial green opportunity and the next time we install there they'll be a part of this process. Their variations. Excellent. All right. Now we get to be a little new here. No. We looked at the court running down and it just didn't So, yeah, the general consensus is the light how it reflects off those angles in the room is really lovely. So, I didn't see the picture. It's important. I've got a picture of somebody standing in the middle of the atrium and he had wings. Great picture. And if you notice the museum staff actually to prevent people from actually going up to them and putting their back on the sculpture to do the wing photo thing they put little feet on the ground at a distance and then feet for the person taking the photo while that's not the intention of the artwork. We know people are going to do it and so the museum staff is so weak and smart but they're like let's just give people directions so they don't back up into it. So, Art on the Move 3D tonight, selection. Did everybody get a journal? Okay. Who was able to do the jury submissions in advance on that? Excellent. Good job. Okay, so these are the ones that were narrowed down to yes, I believe. These were the ones that were narrowed down to 1.54 Okay. So, they had a cumulative score of everyone who went in and participated in the process. What's the top three? The three was the highest. Okay. So these are guesses and maybe some names. Yes. Cool. And that's what we're going to do. Oh wait, I'll do the details first. Yeah. I have a question. We normally do these Art on the Move 3D at least a three year and a solver on that. The questions come up whether we should make contracts with you instead because it's complicated. It's labor intensive. And does anybody have any feelings about this or Angela do you want to describe more? Well, so this year because of the marble we have in St. Stephen's, we will be having to get the crane again. So, you know, there's positives and negatives that come with that. I can tell you that of the 18 that you're going to be looking at the 39 that you jury, there is once specifically to probably that it'll be good that we have a crane. The rest of them people power on the forklift will be able to manage. Some of the feedback we've received in the past is that by the time of they're installed and folks get down to the various locations to see them they're gone. There's that that would give it kind of two seasons to be seen at the same time. You know, it's nice to have variety and in addition because we installed six plinths along four straight leading up from Maine to the firehouse LDDA has committed to match us on our budget. So we can because of the 2D stuff we still have 5,000 left so 5 pieces of artwork for 1 year or $10,000 for 2 years and LDDA will do up to 6 depending on what you decide to do. So we could install them for 2 years and do upwards of 11 today for 1 year or 2 years. Decisions up to you, we can do 11 for 1 year or 11 for 2 years. I would grab or it be all of them for 1 year or all of them for 2 years you know we wasn't I'm my mind is failing was it. So I asked her that we skipped so we did it recently we did a 2 year and that was so it was 2 years we installed the ones that were not going to run it. Exactly. It doesn't feel like 2 years aren't we talking about the bigger 2 years. Oh and you can also buy a number of questions but also we'll be back in just a minute before we de-install them and before we have this conversation going further and take things out I will contact the artists and ask them if they're interested in selling and if they are then they can break back their best price and then break back to you. Do you have a question? Yes, my only thought is just moving forward with these is with me and these potentially leaving the artists to come back and say that they can't keep it because my personal favorite piece this past year was the pieces outside of Rosalie's that the artists came and keep it out for just a year so that would be my only concern of moving forward. I like doing work for 2 years I think it's great but I just would need to have a good time tonight and then we date this year last year we 2 years ago we signed up for 1 year and last year we called people up and said we want to just buy them for a night and grab and that's what I was just like so it was just one of those I just need to make a decision right now that's why we're asking now is because we will contractually operate them to 2 years rather than that I have a question too I just feel like we're kind of left in this piecemeal thing now well it's also because they see it in the process and the renovation or something's got moving around in addition to the work we're going to be able to do anyway if we contractually have to get to 2 years I think that would be great my other question going forward is are these in number order that are in order or preference I don't give you that I'm going to be well enough to say I shuffle it up maybe those are all shuffled up but they're the way that we are going to look at them when we jure them how would you so I just look at the premises by saying that you then have queries into 2 years 2 years that it does come from the artist to those from the I mean very few right when we talk about hearing about that we get very few we don't get a lot of comments most of them are social media sometimes it's to the ldda to the third person but yeah public just there's been more than one and less than six also for like in downtown same seat as positive you see them if you go down there and most people go down there in the summer so you have three quarters of the year that people are not theirs often so if somebody goes in the summer at an art walk and says oh I love this piece and then the next time they go stop and it's something else so 2 years okay so that's an interesting section I just want to leave it to you and it's what else it creates the excitement we do come out in the summer so I think that was the idea is to create people coming to places and do you think maybe we need to talk more about hey this is only a year and maybe publicize that I like the idea of excitement every year I like this interacting with different artists on a really basis getting more collection and I think people drive past it before and second about installation in the first part of the July and I know we're doing it earlier now but first part of the July so do we have something down there next to each art installation like you are going or anything like that that we didn't ask you about the last time maybe you could show what was there you said show previous installations so then oh I see I have people out here actually look at it but wasn't that cool when they had this one on and they could look at the pictures of it and then see that oh get a little word from us saying hey you know this is the last part of the year then that seems to get that generation out there so all of this right here you know that media grab a scene what was being there get that information because that was right at that moment and then you noticed a lot of time to read and get down there and see I don't know anything like that but it would be nice to be able to say on the QR code we have this piece through April of XYZ so I think that is a good piece that we can work on people did want to buy it if we got enough people to say oh we love this we're starting to go away maybe when our program assistant comes on board which the job description is out right now that is absolutely one of that idea of the digital right this idea of having your collection very forward facing for the public in person and in this digital realm is absolutely one of the priorities for the program assistant because we don't have enough trauma from the communications to the social to the tours which Miley you are doing a wonderful job I'm not describing but it is a need and it's a regular need so yes all very valid my one comment I would say Theresa is maybe then in the future we do continue to do one year we put a weight restriction on some of these programs absolutely and it could be like one year there's no weight restriction the next year like 200 pounds y'all because 1200 pound models are they're beautiful and it's it's big I think that's now we can control it yeah we can control that discussion so when do you when do you do pieces getting stopped at the same time we take the other ones out because and that's why I moved it up is in working with the public administrators around town and looking where when their programs are moving it's kind of a circuit you kind of have the same people with different artworks applying to all of these part on loan so the reason that I moved it to where and when it is number one because it's before the first art walk some are on the streets down town but secondly it fits itself nicely when some of the things are coming out with other communities it could be available for us and that is for April that we're already scheduled with the contractor we've got crane already figured out and it was one of the requirements for this application is can you be available is this artwork available for installation within our window because it's more financially responsible to get all of the equipment and the contractors at all the same time we're putting out and taking them good question if we they're saying Stevens there's down 4th street and you said there were six that went on before but there were six that didn't use that on 4th street and also there are other places around town that we use that we used to have artwork that we haven't recently because we work but one of them is Kensington Park which is right along 3rd street we'd like to put something there this year there's a recycle center we could put something there and and there's Europe Museum so these are open possibilities for any piece I can't hear you listen here each of the five rooms in school we are in the heart it's not that's not to say it might have been a business they might have put something there do we have enough money to actually do both of these things which is 11 this year and 11 next year and definitely staggering but so again it's not about not being able to have the amount of money it's the way that our we are limited and we are looking to make that change this year so yes of course it's not the amount of funds it's that we are limited to 70 only spending $7500 a year on temporary artworks and with the help of the ADA we have a bigger budget right we can't break our charter that way until we fix our charter so what is the point of changing the charter is it an ounce of that? it changes and I think that's a good topic for another time but it's an involved thing because it's our charter in the city we have to go to the city to get a change and it's easier to change a bunch of stuff than this to change one thing at a time so that's a good discussion for another time alright thank you okay I'm going to agree a little bit about just thinking about the sculptures being on display for two years it's it's not dynamic it isn't exciting you know I agree and having it change every year having that interest and supporting more artists with that I think that that is a good okay so right now we are right now we do it every year alright that again is up to set so yes what are the 3 grants they're higher than to whatever it is 28 inches tall by 4 by 4 that was budgeted that was budgeted and executed last year and they we put some hardware in places specifically to prevent as much as possible drilling into them over and over and over again and that also affects the question when we talk about locations obviously the pieces that we're looking at and the location that's why the task force or group has to get together because some of these pieces won't fit on some points but most will so does anybody want to move that we can go to 2 years or are we all pretty much in agreement that we should stay at 1 year that's discussion about that I'm in favor I just feel for all of these pieces that are sad and since it is represented by public prices I don't think it's putting this out there it's like it's true that when we just did it 2 years since it was sort of coming out of COVID so there was there wasn't as much traffic as there historically and we got terrible we didn't get any applications for the program and I think that there was something about the timing of when we were asking for the application so I fixed that and yeah I don't know what else because we did the same amount of marketing and all those things so that was also one of the catalysts for so can I I think this is an official motion but can I see show of hands of the people that want to keep it at 1 year alright so I think that is that's fine then there is discussion of whether we will or will not allow an artist to have more than 1 piece of art installed for a year so you have multiple artists on your final list every artist was allowed to submit 3 pieces you have multiple artists with multiple pieces on your list we have not ever included or excluded anyone for any reason but just before just to make sure that we're not mixing our metaphors like the last time I just need it epically clear is it one artist one piece or one artist as many pieces as voted in I'd say one artist one piece because especially if we're talking about being fair that artists do this every year and trying to be more artists it's not, I personally don't think it's fair for an artist to have two pieces a girl or two even if we put them in different locations that we want to get the most diversity and the most so how many people and how many artists on our list have multiple pieces how many artists not going to fill it so the question is that we do call artists really good to do pieces that I respectfully disagree with I think it's based on their piece and artists can do first pieces and be able to show those so we're able to choose the piece we're not moving from the artist so that would be the difference with that we're with the shop art boxes the kind of the reason we did we're doing it for the second years it ended up the same thing so we ended up with a lot of the same art a lot of the same shop art boxes that look the same I think an artist can create a sculpture or a model and be the same artist but the way I think that we would do it is anybody can split up to three pieces and then we'll vote and then we have somebody that has that we've agreed with all three pieces then we need to decide are we only going to allow one and which one would be like best and ask them to submit the other texture or are we going to allow like three pieces for the same person or funds are sort of one of them and then we base it on the piece and ask that opinion it's based on an art not an artist unless we change our call to doubt and set how we do want that would be mine what I would do there we ask it to do three that potentially have three very different pieces of art do you have a mission statement for an art not an artist a mission statement for the program like a focus on which one is more artist or the that's our that's our that is our that's what's on the website every year since 2005 art public places is exhibited between three and ten works of art by colorado artists in various locations throughout the city is part of the moon each artist receives a thousand dollar second for their work and longmont residents, visitors of longmont get to enjoy fresh art works that needs to be done artists interested in participating in art on the moon loan program should keep an eye out for artists for entry in 2022 so no right that's there's no mission per se okay and to charisa's point exactly the artists were basically an RFP put your proposal forward of what you want to slay not your qualifications just we've never limited it it's completely up to you maybe talk about art before next year because it's part of the amount of art that art has to be right here in place but the next year we will discuss this before making the decision about art it's like really one I personally don't need to spare that one art no matter how much their work is they can make two $5,000 in a better art just like I don't know and it's a kind of unfortunate that we make it look like it's because somebody is a little more superior to them so I don't know maybe you just want to know this year but then figure it out what the goal has is and then the next year we'll truly re-analyze this and see what's there but I think that if you're going to do not need to win every year for art for shot boxes or one artist shot boxes why would we do the same all the way for artists that's a fair statement sounds good let's go ahead and vote I will say to your point Melanie our mission is to provide manage and promote the diverse and ongoing collection of public art for the enjoyment of citizens of Long Island so as you look at these artworks and we said that sometimes they're same sometimes artists work with very different if we're choosing a lot of the same look and feel of our work then that's probably not part of the public places mission for us right so we can use that solely as we're going to vote should we vote do we we need to see how far it is so we're we're not changing or we're changing do we need to vote on this so we're just leaving everyone saying we're voting on the ones that we like and we're going to talk about that okay okay and do we need a task force yes we do need a task force for people to choose locations does anybody want to be on that task force to say this piece goes here this piece goes there probably we can do it digitally then we could add more than like two people yep it'll just be an open meeting but that's not so raise your hands again raise them it's a pretty girl alright okay now okay so when and if you entered your portal it would have looked something like this it did get a little tiny bit of feedback of like a worksheet of what to do now once you've entered the situation and just quickly go along the top it's a selector score view preference when you're going through you can choose slide show scorecard where it shows you the slides and then brings up your scorecard today we're going to go through the preview we're going to look at everything we're going to discuss out loud as you look at these artworks and then we're going you're going to use your handy dandy scorecard you're going to make notes in the column that says round one round two so you'll make notes of which ones you love and you're fighting for we're going to do a process of elimination so in round one you are getting six yes six yeses you get two maybes and ten noes and when I say six yes only six yeses that's up to six the way that the numbers work out it just helps us eliminate these one at a time so if there's something that you love and everybody else doesn't it's going to fall off and you'll get to then reallocate your yes to something else does that make sense okay oh they're filming is this just at this point is it just our own subjective thing or can we discuss them we're going to use the preview slide show we're going to look at all of them we're going to discuss all of them and you're going to start making your notes knowing that round one that column that says round one is for you to put your notes in and this round and this round alone you have six yeses two maybes and the rest up to six yeses anyway have any questions are we doing our usual thing we can't say something baby all the ways if you have a concern that if you do what Angela does, what would risk management say right because as we all know all of this it's to go to risk management and review before I go on the contract right so yes if there is a concern of anything but other than that all positives please there's something you think alright any other questions yes so yeah I think can we pause our filming now because these don't go we don't go under contract we need to go under contract okay Miley is going to read are some little bits of the statements that are specific to artworks and we'll try and keep it to like 2-3 minutes each but I think we have 18 so it should be a good shape alright ready except we have to choose what we want to see first how do we see it oh no no no wait okay this is not what we were seeing so we have to that's what we need to do no it's we click on the phone no if it's not where it is we can't click on the phone but you see the yeah that's it so then it's this new system how do we choose such as you have to choose there you go okay this piece is called a brush with glue I just want to move in can we see the ones that we all have I don't think that's what I'm asking what's nice on the agenda because I just need a minute the agenda is the administrator update this is what I want you to do we'll look at this in just a minute after Miley makes it pretty okay so Miley what I want you to do is you went through this correct so if you go through this slideshow go in vote yes on all of the ones that will be included and you know which ones those are because you're just my right X's are no yes please okay awesome well okay so quick thumbs up thumbs down middle of the road better than last time thumbs up better than last time last year did you meet you're gonna give myself a pat on the back a little bit still needs improvement right but we're getting there we're getting there I think it's great we're getting there okay we're getting there anyway we'll just keep going nope you're fine spoke phase two uh foxes is painted is clear coated easement is done with the city attorney's office still needs to go to council for approval but we're on the ask for forgiveness run so it would be fine and and animation is underway the qr code is there I did put the sign up that says animation coming if you go click on the qr code it doesn't send you anywhere right now but it's looking really good have not purchased the service agreement yet but we have the agreement with the artist to give us the two sorry one year time framework he pays for it and then we figure out where that interactive us absorbing the animation cost happens um so if you have an opportunity to go through that breezeway and see the fox and see the roses it looks it's going to be good and it's going to be talk of the town so um we'll want to start working with uh after we get it all legally finished up and the animations underway we'll want to start talking about dedication days and the member is excited about being a dedication person any questions about boxes and roses looks really great um great um maintenance project update this is a really huge one so um the unity project out at Kensington or Mural with the large woman mosaic that Mario Maria has been doing um the fix the bottom or the mower continues to run into it last fall we investigated getting a concrete bumper put around it and the cost was astronomical number one for the amount of concrete that we were doing and number two it wasn't able to but the piece exactly so um because it wasn't able to about the piece uh it didn't make sense because there are still going to be broken things happening within it so it wasn't a good solution uh in the meantime um we have been have been working on a solution and um um the growing water smart leadership team is one um is an initiative with the city of Longla and is implementing strategic integrated water and land use planning to support community and regional water resiliency I met with their leadership room as well as community and neighborhood resources department and um serendipitous lead they are looking to remove turf and sprinklers at Kensington and I said hey what about our round our art piece so we don't have mowers hope running into it and sprinklers going off and they're super excited so they are applying for a grant from the state to remove around 3000 square feet of grass turf irrigation systems and updates to the space and put in a native water wise plants and hardscapes a demonstration garden around the piece they'll be working with partners in northern water and different botanical gardens to design the water wise garden that compliments the community project and engage the Kensington community around the process community and resources superdazz mario so we don't need to go here because there's no money coming from us just to support and I don't know if we will actually have any say into what this demonstration garden will look like but it's the reason that the grant application is so strong is because it's this brilliant intersection of parks and public art and water wise and community that hits all of the boxes they anticipate if we can continue projects like this that we'll be getting the money from the state for this annually for years and years to come so again just looking for support from you all saying go forth Angela unless anybody's like no don't take away your this is a great spot because our work is angled on a corner so 3000 square feet is huge but that's nice and then people won't be able to like they can trump up to if they really wanted to and pick stuff up which is a problem we had but no I think that's great and I think we can anticipate these possibilities we actually said this but does this interact at all with the possible memorial which is right here there? so there's not a memorial this time that is one of the reasons that the community neighbor of the resources department was brought in Harold city manager has been working very closely with the family talking about the differences between memorials and celebrating life talking about ways to get that community involved and at the same time unity actually is a memorial so the only way to memorial our works in Kensington is maybe not the direction that the community really wants to go I do think that we can anticipate a neighborhood improvement project from Kensington at the same time potentially a memorial bench through the memorial bench project to the parks that might be more appropriate and I think that's the way the family the young gentleman would like to go but yes it absolutely was brought up and especially if we're doing 3,000 it goes back to them that absolutely to the family on the other side it's 44 that sounds good no it sounds good I just want to make sure that's yeah it's being talked about with people that needs to be talked about other than us okay I'm going to interject here we have a couple more things and then we can use this it's just like 10 after 8 we just need a motion to extend the meeting at the time it's supposed to be 8 we need a motion to extend until we're done it should be 7 anybody? all in favor? okay we're good back to you okay I'm just going to send you the one minute video the commissioner application is open the city put together a one minute video on youtube about towards 9 in the city clerk's office and city manager's office and city council's desire to diversify our boards and how we are trying to do that so I'll send that to you directly I wish I could tell you when the closing date is but it's open for at least one anybody has any questions about joining our board I think we have a number of seats and if your term is not you'll also be getting any in the same breath the program assistant job send so if anybody wants to receive that and send it to people you know let me know questions about that unfortunately I have the need to tell you that I can manage the director of the museum will be meeting at the end of this month so launch 30 versions for last day in the interim Eric Mason for the fourth time will be the interim director of the Long Long Museum the expansion is underway continuing we do not anticipate any sort of slowing whatsoever and for the more if you're interested in seeing what city council's direction is going to be based upon the community pool that went out that will be Tuesday night which has hands at 7 p.m. so I watched city council determine which way they're going to go and what the budget is and such Kim will be becoming the director of the gardens at Spring Creek which she can walk to work we're very excited for her not so happy everything is wonderful I'm sure that Eric will be joining us and we'll be sending you a contact sheet to update your email phone number and mailing address there's also a little check mark on there saying that you have and you know about open meetings laws and that you will abide by them and also if you are interested in sharing your contact information with other commissioners so you allow me to share your contact information it's a yes or no box but again remember if you're emailing each other one on one that's totally fine if you're talking about something that's not marketable places totally fine if you start emailing a group so make sure that you are riding by those rules any questions about that? yes so if you're emailing to a group of people about our public places stuff that's okay no that is a meeting you to Susan Warren what's asking if you can meet and if you have ideas about that is a one-on-one conversation that's a conversation you copy me that's three that is a meeting and it's against the law so you don't do that it's any three commissioners any three commissioners but yeah one, two, three one, two, three legally people okay every time I email all of you it's always line cc because then when you communicate back to me that is a one-on-one conversation and I keep all of those emails via city retention policy and if there was an open meeting or open records request I would hand those over it's just a transparency lobbying and if you don't know ethics code of ethics is a really big conversation right now within all month so that's why we're just keeping it all up community pool I said that that's it I'm going to show what's included okay okay