 And I'm delighted to say that Jamisha and Yopi both join us now. It's lovely to see you both and a massive congratulations on your prizes. You must be delighted. Let me ask you, Jamisha, how are you feeling about your award? Incredibly surprised, I think, very happy, very honoured, but very surprised. And I'm just honoured to be amongst such beautiful images that I had the privilege of seeing this year. Yeah, that's it, really. That's a very modest response. How much work did it take to produce those stunning images? Honestly, most of the work really was just kind of deciding to press send. The image actually didn't take that long to make. I just felt I saw the mess. I wasn't in earlier. And then I was just like, okay, let me just see myself and see what I look like in that. And after I saw it, I was like, oh my gosh. And, you know, it's kind of humiliating and a bit embarrassing almost to show people this. So a lot of the work was really deciding if I was even going to send it, but I wanted to in the end. So, yeah, that's it, really. It's raw and it's true and it's absolutely beautiful. Jamisha, well done to you. Yopi, what does winning this year's series prize mean to you? Oh, hi. Honestly, I'm quite speechless now. Thank you so much. Yeah, for me, I would say thank you so much because this story is very, very important. And this kind of story is really unheard. We can say it's unheard stories because I've never expected that it happened to us. Also, it affects to this community. Because as we know that long before the pandemic, their life is also already under their radar, actually. And now when the pandemic hits us, so it could affect them. So, yeah, that's the thing that I can say. Oh, I got it. I'm just shaking now. It's so well deserved, Yopi, seriously. Well done to you. And can I ask you, Jamisha, what you might be turning your attentions to now? Do you have another idea for a photograph photographic project? What might you be doing with the prize? I have no idea because this is unexpected, so I have no clue. But in terms of other projects, I'm constantly inspired by, I guess, social implications of having any kind of illness, physical, mental, or otherwise. So I wanted to make a film about, it's kind of like my love letter to Black people in chronic pain. And a lot of those people had to show this year. So it's some kind of film examining cultural responses to having a physical chronic illness and also the ways in which medical injustices can play a part in that as well and how they're always messaged together in the experience. So moving image this time. That sounds like a story that definitely needs to be told, Jamisha. And is there anything you'd like to say to anyone who's watching who might be struggling with mental health issues at the moment? Oh gosh. I think naming it, having, being able to share it, being able to identify it and taking it bit by bit is really important. I got diagnosed with a physical chronic illness before mental health, so mental illness. So the mental illness side of things was very new and I didn't really know how to process it because it felt like physical had... There's a reason why I'm ill and the mental illness felt harder to accept but taking it moment by moment, reexamining what life looks like and knowing that it can be a good life despite mental illness, I think is probably what I would say to people. And shame is a constant process of unlearning. I haven't unlearned it yet but yeah. Now that's beautiful. And your image, the way you speak about it and I'm sure what you're applying to do with the moving image project will all contribute to us all being better equipped to communicate it and to move forward with it so that it's not so stigmatized. So well done again to you, Jamisha. Yopi, if I can ask you what's next for you, any ideas for a new project and what might you be doing with the prize? With the prize? Oh well, it's kind of difficult question actually. I have several... First of all project that I need to do this year actually also related to environmental issues also related to pandemics as well because as you know that Indonesia and this situation in my country actually is getting worse. So hopefully the prize is able to fund my personal projects in the future. Okay, wonderful. And your images speak a thousand words as well and you've also spoken about it just there but is there anything especially that you would like people to know about the current health situation in the trans community in Indonesia that they can start talking about opening a conversation about? Right, as you know that the main issue of my project is about the identity card actually and if you talk about the trans woman community for example for this community they leave their home in a very young age because there is a lot of stigma and they are struggling with internal issues in their home and for example in Jakarta actually they are around 2,000 somethings and around 70% of them they don't have the ID cards so it affected them to lose so many access such as health access also education and a proper job so that's why most of the trans women in Indonesia they work as sex workers because they don't have a proper access for them to get a formal job for example so that's why the ID card is very very important now so yeah so that's the thing that I can tell Something that you're clearly very passionate about helping to change Thanks to both of you I'm so honoured and humbled to speak to such incredible young people who are telling such hugely important stories and so beautifully as well I really look forward to seeing what the two of you are going to be doing in the future so thanks for joining us and congratulations again on your well-deserved awards you too Well done Thanks for joining Thank you Bye