 Well, to this March 5th, we are doing a regular advocacy and outreach special interest group meeting. We have several people on the call and today we have special agenda because we would like to discuss some joint activities with Continues Delivery Foundation. One of the major topics we would like to have today is about Continues Delivery Foundation and Jenkins participating in JSOC because we have two organizations participating and we would like to stop boundaries and if possible to help each other so that most of the organizations could be successful. We also put some other topics to the agenda about Jenkins-era meetups, operations and about online Kubernetes-related events for Jenkins which we would like to organize. Does anybody else have other topics? No, I can give an update also on what we're planning to do because KubeCon is postponed. They don't have the final dates yet of when that's gonna happen. It's looking like the summertime, like July, August timeframe. And then also Dan Lorek from Google. I don't know if you guys have been in communication but he's trying to organize a contributor summit but I don't know if it's just tecton specific. So I need to follow up with him on that. But that's also with the coronavirus, I don't know if international travel is gonna be impacting people. So it was that summit in Miami which was distributed through channels, right? Yeah, I think so. He sent out a survey of dates that would work and I think it's like the last three weekends in April but like I said, I don't know if folks are gonna be impacted by travel policies. Yeah, that's for sure. Yeah, so we also had a quite sporadic discussion couple of days ago about it. So we think about doing online meetups, for example, about Jenkins and Kubernetes because Jenkins has online meetup platform. So we have content for Kubernetes related things. So we were just thinking about organizing maybe online meetup or maybe- Yeah, I think that's a great idea. Yeah, I think that's actually a really great idea because that's something that for the China event right now it's canceled. So we're looking into web, yeah, online platforms basically to host virtual events. So I know Dan, the one that's leading that. So he's looking into how much that would cost to get that set up for us. But I think that's a really great idea. So I guess just a quick update on CDF. Right now, Christy and Rosalind, who are the co-chairs, they're sending out communication to all the speakers. So we're letting them know that obviously the CDF is being postponed to the summer but we plan to go forward with the same program. It would just change depending on people's availability, so. Yeah, so basically the recommendation if we run an event like that, I mean, online event that we have different content so that we don't invite talks from the CD summit or from a queue on main tracks but instead of that, we find other speakers. So we keep the agenda for the summer, right? Yeah, I mean, ideally, I guess I'm just saying that as an FYI, so. Okay, yeah, it's well understood. I can say that I'm part of the Kubernetes contributor summit and we're moving that to virtual. We decided to go with Zoom because it allows for breakout rooms. Yeah. Oh, that's a good idea too. Same reason, Jenkins, we use Zoom. Okay, so anyway, it's something to discuss further because it was just an idea but yeah, maybe you'll recognize something but there's something that will definitely be on the scale. I think this is a really good idea just because for example, we don't know much about the coronavirus like if it fades out during the summer, kind of like the flu. So I think it'd be good to just have a backup plan if CD summit doesn't happen because it gets canceled because of the coronavirus. So then at least we can still continue with the event. We're just moving it virtually. Okay, so yeah, I'm going to see what. I'll also let you guys know because I think Dan was looking on 24. I think that was the name of the platform. Mm-hmm. Okay, so any other comments about this topic before we move on? This note. Okay, next topic I heard is about Jenkins server meetups. So full disclaimer, I understand the situation is resourced especially taking the coronavirus and changes in all other events. So the situation for us is that we are still trying to recover meetups. Obviously we don't expect many meetups to happen in the short term because again of the coronavirus. But I just wanted to ask how can we help you with that? Because if there is an opportunity to delegate some meetup operations for jumps to the Jenkins community, I think it's something we could help with. For example, I'm working on some meetups in Scandinavia and Russia just to recover. Okay. If I had whatever official permission, et cetera, to work on them directly, if I was organizer of them, I would be able to work on them without involving the ACTF operations team. So we could follow to these topics. So I- Okay, yeah, that's totally fine. I did, I do have a quick update on that. I met with our account manager yesterday. And one of the things that we're trying to also do, so my entire budget for meetups is $25,000 for 2020. And so we just have to be mindful of like the types of groups that we add back because then we'll run out of money because I didn't forecast high enough. I thought 25,000 would be enough. So now that we're at 60 groups, she gave me a quote that our next billing cycle is gonna be about $7,000. So we are, for the year, we've already paid about 18,000 or we will be paying about 18,000. So just FYI on that. But I'm happy to add you as an organizer for those. But I think that the way that we scale, let's be strategic about it because we can't fund all of them unless we figure out how to get money to pay for them. I totally agree with you and I'm on the same page. And actually one of my agenda items is to start thinking about meetups which are already recovered. The problem with the current situation that for example you can take this meetup in Stockholm, it has been recovered. The problem that organization team wasn't recovered. And right now this meetup is just a dead weight because nobody can really do anything with that. CDF is planning for that. So that's why I'm bringing up this proposal that for example, if you give me whatever formal blanket authorization to work with metup.com support team, I could just handle these separations for meetups or maybe together with other advocacy and outreach sick members. Because yeah, my goal is to also reduce the cost. I do not have a goal to recover all meetups. The current situation is just sub-optimal for everyone because CDF pays, but actually the meetups to more operational. Yeah, no problem. Let me work on that. So yeah, if, I'm not sure how it will be implemented. If you just for example sent a message to metup.com support and say that, okay, Alec can handle formal JNK server meetups, et cetera, on behalf of CDF. For me, it would be enough. But I'm not sure if it's something you could do. Yeah, let me ask her. That was the one thing we forgot to discuss yesterday on the agenda. But yeah, let me work on that. Nope, that's not a problem. Yeah, because, yeah, thank you. And the message about budget is about the receipt. So basically our interest is to reduce the metup numbers right now. Yep. Okay, I got it. Okay, and last but not least, Jenkins, NCDF and GSOC. So I guess then it's still busy, right? Let me see. Thanks for now. Okay, yeah, he's not answering. So he must still be on that other call. Mm-hmm. Okay, so what do we do? I can just provide overview of the problems I see. Alec, yeah, why don't you document all the issues that you see on the CDF mentor pages and then follow up with Dan online? Because like I said, I didn't even know that we had applied. I got the notification when we got accepted and I think it was Dan who applied on our behalf. So yeah, just document everything and then I think he'll be able to go and update that. Or the other thing too is you can open a ticket. Why don't you open a ticket so it gets tracked on GitHub? Yeah, so the problem is timing because I sent a message, basically one CDF got accepted. I already listed some of the problems in CDF Slack. This Dan in CC, basically he didn't reply at that point. And now it's March 5th. So student application period opens next week. And if the issues don't get fixed by that, we will be negatively impacted as a Jenkins organization. And in the case of CDF organization, you have a big problem because basically you don't have documentation. You don't have ideas list and whatever. I'm not sure that Jason was going to fly in the current state. Okay, yeah. So that's why I asked for this meeting because we have a problem. Okay, yeah, I mean, like Dan is your point guy on that one, I'm sorry I can't help. But I pinged him already a few times. So you might just wanna see if you can give him a call on Slack. Meanwhile, we also have a potential student on the call for the Jenkins X projects. I just wanna make sure that Slayden, before I ask this question. So the Jenkins X projects that currently reside on the project ideas under the Jenkins banner, those will not be moving to the CDF. I just wanna make sure that I'm correct on that. Yeah, that's correct. We had a meeting last week, Kara participated and Kara referenced this decision. So Jenkins X project is known as Jenkins organization. Okay. So Slayden, I'm one of the potential mentors on that project along with Kara and James. So I just, so you know this falls under Jenkins not under the CDF. Yeah, yeah, perfectly, yeah. Yeah, so the ideas are here. Yeah, there is still a non-zero risk that somebody sends applications to CDF with Jenkins projects. And if it happens, we will have to deal with that in April. But yeah, right now everything is just on the Jenkins side. So yeah. Have you guys gotten any applications or like? Well, do you mean have you received applications? Yeah, has anybody applied or? So official application starts. Oh, okay, got it, got it. Yeah, so it's actually on the 16th. Yeah, so you can see that it's here. So it's March 16th. But we have let's say a few dozens of students who have already reached out, who made some contributions, who submitted proposal drafts. So Jenkins project is definitely Ryan. And we got first contracts from students three months ago or so. So Jenkins project is running. For CDF, it might be a problem because for example, I can show you the problem here. You can go to the ideas list and you get to project life cycle, which I would say has nothing to do with these project ideas. And this example, yeah. I have no idea who set that up, I'm sorry. Yeah, that's perfectly fine. Yeah, but today there was a contributor from Tickton project asking CDF slug because they also got confused. Yeah. If you get confused, you have options. So for example, yeah, there are contacts. So there is contact with CDF foundation, maybe increased for CDF foundation. Chat link points to slug. And well, it points to slug, but it points to the link which users who are not a part of the slug can use. So you can enter this link if you click and maybe increased, yeah, you go to the page, but actually you end up here with, yeah. So just mainly at least the CDF foundation. I'm not sure what they were saying you, traffic. And this is what's creating all of them, like I said, mass confusion. Everybody's hanging. Okay, yeah, no problem. Yeah, so let's all call Dan if you guys can't get a hold of him and let him know that that needs to be updated ASAP. I'm sorry, I just don't have access to it or else I would have just gone in and done it now. So same, if you just give access to me or to Marky, I believe that we can help to fix critical issues. So for example, technology labels, descriptions so that we can cross link to the project. Yeah, but yeah, let me, yeah, I'll let Dan know. I'll call him right afterward. Okay, thank you. Yeah, no problem. Sorry about that. No, things happen. But if you participate in JSOC as an organization, you definitely need to think about ideas list because you're right now hard to student students. Yeah, okay, no worries. Okay, so if we can help somehow, we have basically 24 seven chat for JSOC and Jenkins Gitter. So everybody from my CDF foundation can join and we will do our best to provide guidelines. And the boss me and Marky also in the CDF Slack so we can help there as well. Yep, thank you guys. Thank you too. So I guess we cannot really do anything in regards to this topic here. Yeah, okay, I'm gonna drop off then. Okay, thank you. Do we have any other topics to discuss? I don't think we have anything. Tracy had to drop. I think our main thing was just getting the confusion ironed out for the different programs. So I think or Sladen, Sladen, I will be reviewing your doc today. I know I said I do it yesterday, but I got completely swamped on something. So I will be reviewing your doc today. Same for me, I'm reviewing your Jenkins applications. Yeah, yeah, I'm working on that. Yeah, thanks for that. Yeah, Sladen is quite productive. Yeah. Since we are not focusing on each SIG, did you have a chance to update community bridge project page? Yeah, yeah definitely. I've been busy with the proposals, yeah, so I'll get it done, yeah. Okay, it would be much appreciated because we would really want to send out more content with regards to community bridge. Yeah, sure. And I'm working, for example, yeah, I'm working on a key study together with Linux Foundation about our project, et cetera. So if we have all materials in good shape, it would be really great. Yeah, sure, I'll be as much as possible. Okay, thank you very much. Thank you so much, guys. Okay, then, yes, thanks all. Thank you everybody. I'll see you online. Yeah, thanks, guys, thanks a lot.