 Welcome back to the 21 convention 2017 of Orlando, Florida the 10-year anniversary of this event Our next speaker. It's actually a second presentation at our event his first one was yesterday for the first time ever It was also his first public outing as a speaker and an author Without further ado, please help me welcome the internet's new number one supervillain Rola Tomasi I Just wanted to Before I get started here. I everybody have us probably already seen my my hypergamy talk from yesterday Can't a rocket in my own, okay? and I kind of wanted to structure this talk a little bit differently now It's occurred to me That I do really well one-on-one with everybody. I when I do an interview It's really something that I kind of get real nervous in when I'm first starting out And then I kind of hit my stride, but I'm always really on top of my game I think when people are asking me questions and so for this particular Topic we're going to talk about today, which is positive masculinity, which is also the title of my most recent book I just wanted to have sort of a one-on-one with Anthony here because it's just it's occurred to me that you know When people are coming up to me here at the at the convention They all have pretty much the same story and if you've met me if you shake my hand The first question I'm going to ask you is how did you come to find the red pill? How did you hear about my my book? How did you hear about my work? I even I think I had one guy over here saying that his therapist actually gave him the the book which floored me because that's the first time I've ever heard something like that that is someone in a professional Psychological field is actually using at least the first book as a basis for Helping another guy and so really that's what my work is about. It's about helping you guys and putting it out there As I've said many occasions. I don't do this for a living I have other irons in the fire when it comes to You know making my own revenue and and doing you know what it is that I do on my day-to-day basis But I've always felt that Helping guys out and in articulating the things that they can't particularly come up with themselves Or maybe it's just on the tip of their tongue or they've always known this stuff But they haven't been able to really put it into words and these are just some of the the things that I get I Get asked, you know, how did you come up with this stuff? And how did you? Come to you know a lot of the core principles like there is no one or hypergamy or You know hypergamy doesn't care or those those kind of seminal posts that ended up in in the book or the most of the books So I Wouldn't say right now like I'm a really good aggregate Or you know of information like I say in the in the intros of all my books I connect dots, but it's you guys that give me the dots to connect in the first place Most of the work that I did on the very first book came from when I was a moderator at Soswaf and So I'm not unfamiliar with Soswaf. It was a pickup artists kind of game community forum for a very long time It's been around since it's actually been through two iterations The the most recent one actually was in 2002 and then right around 2000 It was under a different proprietor and then it changed hands and it's been going since 2002 and it's still there today It's what I call a hot kitchen. It's it's a lot of back-and-forth and it's a lot of guys sometimes fighting and sometimes you have to sort of put up with People trolling and people fighting each other to really get to the meat of the matter and I really think that From my perspective I'm the kind of guy that needs to have one-on-one with people. I'm like like I said, I'm an aggregate so When I was a moderator at the Soswaf forum people kept saying you need to do a blog You need to do a blog and then of course once so I did a blog. They said you need to write a book But I've never been like that. I've always wanted to have you know guys come together and have this discussion That's why I just want to say that's why I really appreciate this convention because we're all coming together And we're all comparing notes and if I if there is a definition of the Manisphere It is that we are a consortium of guys coming together to Share our experiences and it doesn't matter where where you're from or your ethnicity or your cultural background Or how much money you make or whatever it's guys coming together and sharing that because I really believe that Each one of us has something to share and something to learn from everybody else here And you know, I don't don't want to get all new agey and feel goodie and all that stuff You know, we're not going to sit around a campfire and do that. We're you know, we're fucking men You know just watching a hunter just before this it's like the guy has such a passion. He has such a drive That motivates him there's just something inside of him that said, you know, I got to do this and you know He's never come up and spoke in front of people before and you know I just knew the guy had a really good message and I knew he needed to get it out there If you see any of his periscope videos, it's just There's a fire in the guy and he's not a pickup artist. He's not that side when people associate the red pill with being Being a pickup artist or being the red pill is just about fucking chicks. It's just about fucking chicks I'm here to tell you that it's not just about fucking chicks. It's a lot more than that There's more to the awareness to read what I always called red pill awareness And there's different avenues for that and there's different ways for a man to express that One of those ways I really think is in our redefining what masculinity is today and that's why I Titled the third book positive masculinity again coming from angles that you wouldn't necessarily Associate with the red pill you wouldn't always say well The red pill is for fathers or the red pill is for husbands or the red pill is for you know Rip pull awareness is for any of those guys because we always want to say that like I said It's all all about pickup artists It's all about those those angry guys on the on the TRP form and it's not it's so much more than that And I think that when I was helping Anthony out with with finding some of the speakers for this it what we have here today is just such a breadth of Different niches and different stories all coming together to sort of redefine what it is to be a guy in 2017 so What I've done here is I for this for this particular talk If you guys have a question just shoot it out at me And if you have something even you don't even have a question if you have a comment Raise your hand to make that comment as to what you know if you think it's pertinent to the to the conversation That's fine. That's that's fine. However, you guys want to do that now. So I brought Anthony up on here. Oh go Yeah, it is when you were talking somebody face-to-face so as common was about feeling isolated before the event and here at this event It's men getting together and doing there's a lot of talking to going on but it's men doing so physical It's a very physical live event Well, I'll also tell you this I've met most of you over the course of just the last couple of days where there was the You know the early meet and greet or last night or anywhere else It's I can't even get back to my hotel room because I've got so many guys coming up to me said and you know Thank you. You really saved my life. You really your work has been great And it's getting to the point right now where I might not have ever You know met you in my entire life, but I'm gonna be talking to you like I know you personally because I Do know you personally I know you from from reading my book and what your your backgrounds are whether you've participated on Twitter You've commented on my blog. I feel like I know each and every one of you So don't feel like a stranger when you come up to me I'm more than happy to talk with you Rola. I didn't tell you this but when I meet your wife at some point The first question I was gonna ask her is how's it feel to be married to a rock star? Yeah, just based on this base was that gonna be your introduction Well, you know, it's funny is this it's I've kind of you know A lot of people think that if you haven't made it big by the time you're 30 You've had made you haven't made your your impression on the world by the time you're 40 Things aren't really gonna happen for you. I'll be the first one to say that that's bullshit Guys in their 50s can get out there and and kill it and still make an impact Like a lot of people already know my own personal background was I used to be a rock star in a sense and a semi-professional sense down in Hollywood California in the Early or the early 90s late 80s and you know, it was always something I struggled with and it was all you know A lot of the principles that I learned about game. I didn't know it was game at that time I was just going through the motions and doing what You know deductive reasoning, you know trial and error kind of you know working with girls And it was really easy for me because I had blonde hair down in my ass. It's hard to believe now, but but my whole game back then was Social proof and pre-selection it was very easy to do that in that particular era and then you know things change music styles change society changes and You know, I there was a there was a point where I'm like, you know I'm just getting to be about my late 20s early 30s, and I'm like, well, I haven't I'm not a rock star now So yeah, and so there's I think that's I think what was it Ryan Stone was saying You know, it's not it's never too late. It's never too late to make an impact It's never too late to make a dent in the universe as Steve Jobs would say look at Andrew the private man Yes, exactly exactly So I'm gonna have a little discourse here with Anthony and we're gonna do a few a little bit of Q&A that's gonna lead me into what I call positive masculinity and I think that that's kind of a loaded term I was really reluctant to call The third book positive masculinity because people will then associate it as being well, there's must be a negative masculinity There must be You know toxic masculinity. There must be hyper masculine. So we're out all these little prefixes on to masculinity So I was a little I was a little remiss to do that, but I really think that Masculinity today is Something that we've been conditioned as men to really Think is there's a blurred line or we want to we want to define it for ourselves or we're expected to have You know have a definition all to our own that we You know that we define on our own but all of that is based on What our blue pill conditioning was prior to us coming to that conclusion? So I'm just gonna do a little back and forth here with Anthony And then if you have a comment or if you have a question, you know, feel free to raise raise a hand Let's do it So the first question real simple right off the bat. Why did you write positive masculinity the third book? Okay, the reason I did was Like I was just saying a minute ago. I really think that masculinity itself is being obfuscated It's being blurred and it's being distorted By what I call in the book called the village as anybody ever heard the term It takes a village to raise a child, right? Okay, so I use that kind of as a catch-all phrase And I use a lot of these in my writing like the feminine imperative and in positive masculinity I use that term the village to represent like Not just the the teachers that are teaching you when you are a little kid And we're talking about like from five years on up because five years old is about the most impressionable That a kid is going to be and they're gonna learn a lot of their core beliefs and their core sets right at at that age Because anybody over here that like kids are five years old. They're like mental sponges so I think that earlier and earlier the village is trying to get to kids to convince them that Being a boy is bad. It's what I call gender loathing that being a being a little boy like a defective girl Exactly they're teaching Teaching boys that it is correct and it's better to be a girl. It's they're the teaching styles I don't know if you guys are familiar with Camille Paglia. She has she was a former feminist But she writes quite a bit about the education of young children and boys being raised as defective girls and The teaching style which of course is mostly women teaching teaching your kids that are you know yay big is Instilling them and putting this these blue pill beliefs into them at an earlier and earlier age So they already feel in some way slighted because they're a boy If the boy is acting out if he acts like a boy if he has a lot of energy And he wants to go out in the on the playground what we do we sedate the kid, right? so From a very early age that boy is being taught that being a boy being male is a bad thing in my Thing was my second book There is a actually came from a post called teacher children well and on that post I took a picture or I screen kept a picture of a blackboard or a video display What the teachers had done for this class of nine-year-old boys was ask them What it is about being a boy that they disliked the most and if you looked at the list of adjectives And it's like I said it's in the second book it will run down Pretty much what you would expect from a women's studies class about what is the most wrong things about men today? And so we're talking about teaching but fourth grade of nine-year-olds about fourth grade fifth grade somewhere around there You're talking about reaching the youngest of the young to pre-program and precondition for the blue pill these kids and so as far as positive masculinity is You know titling it as as that I think my my push is to Change guys minds about what it is to be masculine. I was just reading a Reading a an article the other day about how Guys simply don't want to be masculine. They don't want to have to figure it out anymore It's gone from defining it for yourself in a feminine correct terminology to just completely saying oh fuck that masculinity stuff I'm just gonna be whoever I'm gonna be and then expect, you know women to appreciate that expect women to say oh He's a non-masculine guy, so he's identifying with the feminine so therefore He's unique or he's not like other guys. I'm here to tell you right now He is like every other guy that there is because we outside of this room out here in the streets right now We are the minority For us to all collect here together if we were to have you know media here or people who are outside The first thing they would say is these guys are losers or these guys are they need to find out about women They need to find out how to date they need to find out how to be a man What losers because we're also supposed to have some intrinsic knowledge of what it is to be a guy and I'll tell you right now when you're five years old and your teacher is telling you that it's better to be a girl And then you get to be 10 years old and you get to be 15 and you get to be 20 years old all of that builds up layer upon layer upon layer To the point where you don't know what masculinity is so that's really why I titled it that because it's really an effort to To counteract what I call the village Exactly yeah, let's say let's talk about that so the question or the statement was about transgenderism and that happening It's being almost a 90-something percent male to female not the other way around. There's some red queen Indication in this test you tweet about right right right what you're referring to is I have a it's I believe I put it in the third book It's called transitioning and that post and that essay was a direct response to an article about how little boys as young as four years old were being conditioned to believe that they Well, they were being conditioned to believe but everyone else is trying to be convinced that a child of four years old is so familiar with with gender concepts and what it is like to be a boy and a girl That they can make their own choice as to whether they want to identify as a boy or they identify as a girl and I really find this kind of ironic because Well at that age, too We don't even trust a four-year-old to walk down the street on their own right But then you can choose your own gender exactly It's insane. We have a we have an age of consent that at least in this country is right around what 17 or 18 right now I don't forget what depends on the state depends on the state could be as I said So let's say no younger than 16. So that that kid at 16 years old We deem as a society cannot make that choice for itself We say you cannot you will be taken to taking advantage of by an adult who is It was trying to basically statutory rape To rape you so we're going to say that a 16 year old doesn't know enough about sexuality enough about its own You know to make proper choices that they cannot consent to sex We won't let a kid Drive a car until they're 16. We won't let you drink alcohol. You can't even vote till you're 18 because you don't we as a society deem that you Don't know enough about the political process or won't make wise decisions until you're 18 years old We don't think you'll make good choices about drinking alcohol until you're 21 years old But we're gonna say that a four-year-old kid knows enough about its own instinctually knows enough about its its gender And enough about what's going on gender-wise in our society I mean shit, we've got what 65 different genders that you know that we're supposed to accept as being I'd be surprised if it was that low at this point Yeah, and so and so it's just it's just amazing to me that that we will try to convince An entirety of the society that it's okay for that But yet we don't want to have the age of consent be any lower than 16 and I'll tell you right now the Trans convincing You know the the vast majority of people to say that you know a child of four can Can do that I will say that the next step for that is probably lowering the age of consent Because if a kid can make those kind of sexual choices at four years old Then why not 10 years old and what you're talking about specifically too is like medical doctors actually giving authorization for hormones Yes to block to do block hormone blocking to stop puberty from happening exactly and again what you were just talking about A the vast I don't know even I'm not going to say statistics here because I don't know them exactly I don't have them written down but I know that the vast majority of Transgender children are boys to girls because again in the red queen There are certain In this is not just human beings, but in animal populations if it is more advantageous to be one sex or the other That population will end up Shifting over to prefer one sex above the other and I really think that since the sexual revolution, that's that's kind of the direction We've taken To prefer and elevate the feminine just woman kind We talk about you know pedestalizing women. I'm talking about pedestalizing woman kind all together And I really think the level of getting your dick chopped off. Yeah, or or or Uh, you know, it's it's it's mutilation is what it is. It's mutilating yourself. I got one back here. Go ahead That's probably It's Most impressionable, yes Right, it's it's probably even a bit more. It's probably a bit more even I would say we got to repeat this Guys So the statement was about Basically the effect of feminism and the feminine imperative in Australia and it's affecting the school systems And male teachers even entering into yeah, yeah So yeah, it's about male teachers being disincentivized and just and told to avoid becoming even a teacher The discouraged I'll tell you this That is a symptom of a much larger problem right now And what that problem is is that we don't trust men with children anymore Uh, there was about Yeah, about about four years maybe five years ago. I came across a story of this doctor I think he was a surgeon of some sorts and it was in arizona And uh, the guy was in borders or one of these bookstores like Barnes and Noble or something And he would walk in he'd walked into the children's section of the children's literature He was by himself walked into there and was going through the books to look for A suitable reading book for his, you know, very young Nephew I believe it was so he's walking through there and One of the employees comes up to him and says excuse me, sir Can you leave the child the children's book section right now? Because and he's like well, well, why you know, like I'm just looking for a book or whatever Well, apparently some of the people within the bookstore were saying that that guy's a pedophile or that guy's a creeper And he is uh, he's scaring the kids or or we don't we he has a look to him that Makes it look as if he is a pedophile of some sorts And that means probably a more masculine look so a beard And so yeah a beard or something and then so and he did have a beard And so what did they do is they took the guy and they ejected him from From the from the store and he just he went out and they they they kicked him out After he said hey, I'm not a pedophile. I'm just looking for a book for my nephew. Yeah, exactly I'm shopping it ended up becoming a local news story and he took Uh, I think it was Barnes and Noble to court and they settled out of court for I don't forget what it was Probably about a hundred thousand dollars or something. But the thing is is that is another symptom of The idea that is endemic I think in our society right now where we don't trust men with children And I think the latent purpose behind that is that we want to have that separation of What would be what I consider conventional masculinity or traditional masculinity and keep them away from the kids And to try to get as much of the feminine imperative as we possibly can into the next generation of kids And that's what we're talking about here for younger and younger They have to keep pushing younger and younger because they need to get it earlier and earlier into the next generation of kids Come out. So it's not enough anymore to just get these guys Get these boys in the grade school anymore or even uh, like junior high school We have to go and get them when they're four years old when their brains aren't even developed They have no capacity for abstract thought. We've got to get them and we got to you know inculcate this You know ideology or this blue pill ideology in these kids as early in an age as we possibly can What it sounds like to me is that even more broadly masculinity is so The culture is so hostile to even any semblance of masculinity It's becoming criminal sort of to even shop Like this guy was just trying to buy a book right just walking out of bookstore trying to and So yeah, it's like you mentioned two on uh in france right now. They're trying to make it illegal to even hit on a woman Right, they're gonna make it. They'll make it a hate crime for uh, goldman to go and talk to somebody Just just basic normal human interaction right there. Yeah Yeah, I think they're the baseline message is and it's very simple and very insidious Is women good and bad? You see it in every aspect of advertising? It is They're you surfing all our male role models, right, you know, you listen to jordan metersen talk about You know the arts typical hero Right and they're taking that away, right, you know, i'm glad you said you want to repeat that Yeah, go ahead and restate that real quick the basic statement is that uh, what we're talking about is the basic fundamental premise It's really simple. Men bad women good. We're evil. They're angels And yes nonsense and let's talk about drone petersen. Well, we also mentioned the the concept of archetypes where there's a masculine archetype that Is like the heroic male We don't see that anymore. Um, as I was saying right before we came on here I'm sure everybody knows by the time you were watching this that um that hugh heffner has died and If you want to give it up for hugh heffner go ahead Now i'm glad you guys can appreciate that because the the feminist press or the feminine imperative press right now is just eviscerating hugh heffner as being this archetypical relic of this old masculinity who You know went out and actually i mean i got a lot of respect for hugh heffner The guy went and did something that nobody had ever done before in a society that was was Very much against him posting, you know eroticized pictures of women in you know In a magazine that was really his claim that was his dent in the universe Is his playboy magazine now you can say what you want to about what's happened to that magazine in the in the interim You could talk about how hugh heffner's lifestyle was you know Good or bad however you want to talk about that but you cannot take away from the guy that he did that from The perspective of a of a male archetype that no longer exists right now I think that since the sexual revolution has come around That heroic male archetype the one where we're we're positively looking up to them It's the a father is no longer Up here anymore a father is ridiculous a father is You know dr. Huxtable a father is Homer Simpson a father is you know well in a way he's both He's uh if he's gone then he's necessary, but if he's there he's he's completely necessary Yeah, and that's I will we'll get into that in a little bit here But like when we were talking I was one of the reasons I wanted to have Ryan and and hunter here is because it's a an example a positive masculinity in a father ship role And it doesn't necessarily have to be like oh every father is superfluous and I in my book If you've read the third book I make a case for this Conflict or this contradiction in in the mainstream Where we will say a woman is strong and independent and she's she's a hero if she's a single mother And she takes care of her kids and she's also not only is she a good mother She's also taking over the role of the father because of those horrible deadbeat guys who just won't man up and they won't take You know control or they won't They won't take responsibility for being a father and so we hear about deadbeat dads and we hear about just how horrible they are and Then you know we'll we'll praise the woman and we'll praise her up as being you know a single mom is is just The highest praise that we can give them And it's treason to consider that her responsibility was she had sex with that guy Right, well, we we excuse once she's become a mother She's no longer that girl that went and you know had sex with the alpha of that father Well, so we have that contradiction right there So we think that men are completely not useful and then we have the other contradiction which is Men are vitally vitally necessary in the home and they're vitally vitally necessary to the upbringing of a child But not so much. They're just there to take the rap if we go and we see people We see kids riding in the streets or we see a youth crime We're happy to go and we're happy to blame that on the lack of a man in the family But then in the next breath, we're going to say, oh, but we don't need no man We don't need a man in the family We don't need a father because a woman knows enough about you know being a man herself because she has to do it all But I thought it was all about equality. Well, what happened to that? We can we can say that for another talk when we get into egalitarian equalism Well, you talk about the end state or the end goal of the feminine parent is unlimited hypergamy for women and Unlimited. Yeah do you think that The end state or the there's an insidious objective The whole reason this train of marginalizing the masculine was put into place or had left the station was to as a control system Say politically to that uprising or do you think that's why they're masculine? I have heard that before you need to Resate this. Okay. Go ahead. You got it. No, I got it. Yeah you're basically saying that That there is a political socio-political socio-economic Reasoning, you know behind that play behind the scenes You know fomenting Feminism and and I would say that yeah, I mean I've seen the videos of The Rockefeller saying if we can just get more women into the the End of the workplace. We can you know Reduce the risk for having uprisings. We can reduce the risk for You know upsets in the in the system. I've seen those before and I think there is some merit to that The only thing I would say is that the only reason that the Rockefellers would have come to that conclusion is That they already knew that the the intersectional dynamic. They already knew that the the the key to Keeping men down was to empower their women So if we're going to take men down and make them less dangerous and make them less powerful The easiest way to do that is to hit them at their Achilles heel, which is what which is sex So Yeah, I think there's definitely something something to that Well, he also mentioned an end game and I've heard you say this on twitter even recently you called an extermination agenda Can you speak to that a little bit an extinction agenda is what I called it? Yes, I I really think and we'll we'll get to this here in a moment. I really think that masculinity and anything male is Being removed from society right now and I've got a post called Remove the male and or remove the man and that is sort of symbolic in so many different ways What what led me to that post was I believe that is a university in washington and some even government bylaws For some state governments where there was an initiative where they put in you know millions of dollars to remove the These letters m a n From all the bylaws from all of the you know the the college literature. So if it was fireman, it was fire person It was if it was penmanship. It was you know handwriting or something I think this is even in the statute so in the laws in that state It wasn't like a college or something. Yeah, and they and I'll tell you the other thing is that they felt so strongly about it It was a six year long initiative for them to go through All the the entire the entirety of their bylaws and any of their written literature and make it gender neutral And they did it all using taxpayer money right and I think that it's important to also make the distinction That it's not about making something gender neutral. It's about removing men from the equation It's one thing to go and say We're going to make things more equal, but to make things more equal We have to remove men from that from that entire process. So the equality thing is kind of like a smoke screen It's excuse. Yes. Yeah, it's to get you to it's to get you to the next point Like we were talking about The the transgender kids who are being taught that it's bad to be a boy. Well, what's the next point from that? Well, where does that kid go? He ends up becoming just recently I've seen they're encouraging this kid to be a professional drag queen at like nine or 10 years old And we're going to be completely appalled by little girls, you know twerking on stage and doing these You know sexy stripper dances. We're going to be appalled by that We sexualize a boy to you know be like RuPaul And we sexualize that kid. That's okay because that's like gender bending and that's that's breaking through a barrier of some sorts But we're doing exactly the same thing to that boy and that's okay And I see that as part of the remove the man kind of agenda this also goes to into divorce laws into legislation about consent Whereas if like when you're talking about the yes means yes It's always can I touch you here? Can I touch you here? Can I do this? And it's never the woman who is You know the onus is not on her to ask you permission It's always the guy and it's always presumed that the guy is the one who is the sexual aggressor in that so we have consent laws that Eliminate the man's influence in that particular situation over oh Go ahead Matt. Go ahead To do independent research I think the thing that everybody should be you know, everybody should be a female And the red pill has come back and saying no everybody should be masked man should be masked though Whereas I personally my my feeling is something like With the sheds let people do what they want and nature will take over Which my understanding is that might be what you would call something like a purple pill Um, so my question is you know Uh, what am I, you know, there's obviously there's there's something that you think or there's something you know that I'm not getting And so what would you say to me to get me there? Well, I think that what the question is about the purple pill essentially Uh, what would it take to get something from the purple pill to the red pill or to the red pill side? I think other than cluster b disorder. Uh, yeah, exactly, right? Um, I think that when we're when we're talking about The purple pill and what I what I mean by the purple pill is guys who have sort of unplugged themselves from their blue pill conditioning and they've that they've come into an awakening and they really understand Uh, how intersexual dynamics works in a real in in real time, but they still were not able to Really release some of their investments into blue pill idealism and all these, you know, nice disney stories that That they grew up with and you're pedestalizing woman kind They still want to be able to take that red pill knowledge and they want to Kind of force fit their old blue pill idealisms into that red pill knowledge So they'll say yeah those red pill guys, uh, yeah, they they really got it going right But women aren't all that bad or not all women are like that Or we're gonna just make each each person is an individual case and I can tell you right now from what I know of the the scientific side of What I espouse as far as the red pill is concerned that there are patterns and specific Specific ways and specific schedules. That's one of the reasons I wrote the second book is there are specific schedules That are predictable now. Is it going to be Right on spot for each woman contextually? No, probably not, but it's going to be so So predictable that you will be able to say yeah, okay. She's in her epiphany phase. Okay. She's in her alpha phase She's in her party years. It's it's really easy to see The the prioritizations now how they go about doing that or maybe they don't do it at all But they they wait till they get you know later on in life and then they decide Oh, I miss I I'm making up for missing out and they want to go back to that They they might actually retroactively go and do you know follow the schedule again Uh, but I think that when you let's say if you are a purple pill guy, I think it's really important to Reacquaint yourself with the the true nature of of men and women and just you know I can't disabuse you of your blue pill beliefs. I think that most uh most purple pill guys Get to a point where they they're they're comfortable with it until they're not comfortable with it And then they don't want to look across what I call the abyss They don't want to go and say oh if I give up hope if I give up my entire Of uh my my tire idealistic dreams that I used to have I want to have a wife and two kids and White picket fence and a dog and I want all this great stuff that disney convinced me of oh But we're all going to play equal because we all believe in egalitarian equalism at the same time Uh, how can I make that fit with what I know Is contradictory to to that and I think that staring across that abyss You're trying to tell somebody that they need to recreate themselves at the same time You're also telling them you've been living your life wrong or it's like saying you raised your kids wrong And that's really hard especially for our egos right now We it's it's like saying I believed in all this shit for as long as I have and now i'm 30 years old And i'm finding out that this is all all horseshit and Like every one of you guys who's come and talked to me and shook my hand today has had a very similar story Why is that because it's predictable Um, you know alan here was just talking about you know telling me last night about how um How his wife was You know Asking for a divorce and wanted to kick him out of the house And then I've got like two other guys telling me very similar stories to that And then he says and then I read your book and then I read through it and I I adopted what you were what you were saying in that and sure enough You know she now she's you know bringing you a couple of beers, you know to to make up with you and Everything that I said Would happen happened and it's not because I have some like you know You know prophetic Idea that that's going to happen is because I talk to everybody and I see how it goes through and every one of you has a Similar story of some kind. So it's the predictability factor of it Um, that's that's I think is the strongest thing I can say for purple pill guys You think it's not it's always on a by-case basis. It's all individual It's all about you know people are people, you know, nobody's all the same Well, yeah, okay as individuals and as like as human beings We all like to think that we're we're unique and so to say Yeah, we're unique, but we also all follow kind of a pattern They don't people don't like that. They don't like that because it implies predestination And or and especially when it comes to evolutionary psychology or biological or evo bio or evo psych People don't like that because it conflicts with what they think about their own control of their own lives And people being responsible having personal responsibility for their own actions So it doesn't excuse you from that knowing what you know about the red pill does not excuse you From saying okay. Well, I know everything. I know about the red pill women are hypergamist So I'm just going to go and and fuck as many bitches as I can and we're all going to die because That's the you know, that's the predestination of it. No, that's not it doesn't excuse you from being a dickhead about it In the same in the same way, so I think we had a question in the back and then maybe max two. It's uh, someone back there. Go ahead Women are much more feminine Men are more masculine and women expect the men to be masculine as well. Uh, and same time Exists as well But they absolutely want to or so Have a masculine role model and they don't necessarily fight against them. They'll fight against them if you don't give it to them If you go to the extreme you go to russia reading last year where basically the russian Uh, government passed the law where you can actually give them Have domestic abuse to keep your woman in line Yeah, I was here exactly Are you looking mainly roll for you the lens from the u.s. Where you've had experience or do you Take into consideration that this might very between So we're talking about cross-cultural Differences between so it was central europe versus australia versus the united states The differences of feminism its effects there and the feminine imperative, right? Um, I I I can't help but have a western american Outlook on things because this is my culture and this is where I'm where I'm from and this is what I see However on the second side of things, uh, I also like we were saying just before I aggregate as much information from as many guys As I possibly can't if you look around in this room. We all come from different cultures We all come from different backgrounds alan comes from a latin culture. Uh, I met a guy I can't remember his name. Sorry. He was from peru telling me exactly the same thing about how women are different there Uh, I I was talking to andy from I believe he's indian, you know telling me about what his situation was And he comes from a different culture, but yet he still followed that same blue pill path. He still was, you know, very Uh, despondent about a girl that he had one eyes for read my book and then Turned his life around. So there's a guy from another culture right there. Uh, I I do kind of One-on-one counseling with guys Who either hit me up on twitter or they hit me up in a private email or they'll ask me, you know Specific questions and I will tell you this that From across cultures, whether it's, you know from from india to africa to South america the patterns still say stay the same the guys are still looking for the same answers And I really think that you can take You can take men and women from different cultures and you can still apply standardized beauty Beauty standards to to each one of them. We all want symmetrical faces when we were talking about hypergamy. That is based on the research like cross-cultural research cross, uh, you know countries And you're deciding what are the the key elements of a masculinized features and feminized features So, yeah, I get what you're saying. I also should say this as well as in the more egalitarian countries where Like say sweden or norway where we have our denmark. I think They've done studies right now with the most what they consider the most egalitarian countries and they still find in those countries that the the preference for Traditional conventional gender roles Is even stronger in those countries than it is in say the united states or ones where we think we have a patriarchy So underneath all that underneath all of the social engineering is still our base biologies And it's still how we have evolved as human kinds and how we have evolved as You know men and women together. So basically the more they lack it the more they crave it Exactly and so that is universal. We're all human beings and we all came from a similar route. We all came from hunter-gatherer or forager Beginnings and you have to understand. I think I forget who was telling me this, but we Yesterday's speech is saying that in in the span of time monogamy human monogamy is just like a tiny little You know spec on the human evolution scale and it's a really new A new invention really by humankind and we think of it as normal because we've been doing it since you know since the days of You know Abraham where you know, we had polygamy back then and then we switched over into a Into a more monogamous, you know social interaction between men and women I can talk your ear off about that, but I think that we don't really understand that even in spite of ourselves and in spite of how we would like to have these Perfect little marriages and perfect, uh, you know long-term relationships and monogamy We are just now still testing that it's just a blink of an eye in the in the evolutionary history of it Let's get to oh tanner. Yeah, okay. Here we go. Yeah the Mormon So the question is how to promote positive masculinity in a proactive way rather than a reactive You know, you just got burned in divorce court or something All right Well, I I'll I will reveal an ulterior motive here for you one of the reasons I wanted to have hunter here and I wanted to have Ryan here and to sort of present a broader spectrum of what I think the red pill Is and has the potential to be is I really think that this understanding and this awareness I mean the first thing you can do is become red pill aware yourself and to pass that on and to talk to other guys About it and it's very hard. I understand to talk to a blue pill guy who's very very resistant to it That's one way to go about it. I always I always say, you know, I promote the the physical Print copy of my books because I really want guys to take that hand it to their friend and say You know here. This really helped me out. Why don't you check it out? I mean the fact that a therapist guy was handing out my book as part of his therapy, you know, that's encouraging I'll say that I personally used amazon as my rational mail conveyor belt throughout the throughout the world this past year Well, but to get to get to tanner's point I really think that it's very imperative if you are a father or if you have Aspirations to be a father that you need to do so from the perspective of being red pill aware and teaching your kids from a positive masculine Setup in the really the whole reason I wrote positive masculinity At least the first quarter of that book is dedicated to the red pill parent And I really think that it's vitally important in this day and age that if you have kids or if you plan to have kids And a lot of guys hit me up and say, I don't know I don't want my poor kid to get you know wrapped up by the village and taught by the village You know you can say oh you can take him out of school and homeschool them But I'll tell you right now that if you go and you do something like that you can't insulate your kids entirely There's going to be social media. There's going to be you know, whatever song that they go around, you know singing They're they're going to be affected by that in some way and what you as a guy as a father needs to do is be that filter and be that buffer and be the The filter through which that information comes and there's easy ways to do that And there's more complex ways to do that and they get more complex when you've got teenagers as opposed to when they're they're young kids Say for instance, we're talking about little little Johnny who is being taught by his nothing but female teachers Well, you can simply say things as as as simple as Hey Johnny, isn't it really funny that all of your teachers are are women and just like make them aware of that? Oh, they are you know because you're not thinking about that. They're just running around being kids you know, they don't have a A capacity for abstract thought at that point so When you relate to them as kids you kind of insert that message kind of tactfully into you know Like say you're watching tv or you're watching The latest disney princess movie and the and the princess saves the saves the prince this time And that's pretty much the theme of every damn Disney movie where it's like it's it's what I call the femme powerment narrative Where the woman is completely self-sufficient and she's got to be the unique cure for the poor hapless sucker And we've gone from from dad being a chump to the prince being a chump that needs Her unique skills and her unique talents to solve his problems In spite of himself to save him from himself such as tying his shoes exactly So you've got those things going on And that's the narrative that the kids getting and they don't know that they're getting a narrative because again Like I said, they don't have the capacity for abstract thought at that point So you need to step in at that point and you need to say isn't it silly that the princess would try to save the prince You know The prince the prince has got it going on he could be better than that or you you know You filter in the material that your your kid is going to going to view those are real simplistic ways to do it There's there's like so there's more complex ways to do it and I get into that in the I have a list of about 32 ways that you can go about You know red pill parenting one thing I want to add on this too in terms of promoting positive masculinity is media Obviously, I'm trying to spearhead that in terms of in terms of uh, forget this sometimes in terms of video video production Which is sorely lacking in the red pill In a way and I wanted to mention this yesterday, but I'll mention it now I've been building this conference for technically over 11 years now And in a large way I've I've interacted with many different communities from health and fitness philosophy and so on I feel like I've been building this convention for something like the red pill that I wasn't aware of Only lightly in recent years and then last year I found a role on the red pill So I'm really inspired and happy that I could have built this thing Not exactly knowing what it was going to be used for in this specific sense and what I In a way what it was founded as this company started from the pickup community And in dealing with male-female relationships So I'm very happy that I could do that and I think I think media is the future in terms of empowering this community And growing it above and beyond just blogs and a few audio podcasts And that's also why it's very sad and mark baxter decided to close this podcast You guys are desperate for media and I can do a lot, but I can't do everything So the more good podcasts you guys can start the more video blogs and more channels the better On top of written blogs and top of twitter accounts and all that and don't think that you don't have something to contribute You probably do as long as you have some red pill awareness to what it is that you You know however you're applying whatever you're doing in your life like for instance, I'm sure that probably Hunter didn't realize that he could actually you know start a blog and do what he was going to do But you know there's there's a lot of guys who just say I'm not going to do it because who wants to hear I'm just repeating the same thing. Well, you know give it a shot. See, you know, spread that out Richard Cooper right Yep, okay So the question is about a red pill rage when say a blue pill person hears about the red pill for the first time And gets really angry or flustered somehow I think that's probably the single most common criticism of the red pill right now is they The critics particularly purple pill critics they like to They like to present the fact that or that red pill guys are angry. They just they they learn about red pill awareness And they turn that to rage and they think that the anger is rooted in the feminine They think that it's rooted in an anger or a hatred of women And I'm constantly having to defend against that because anger is part of the process of unplugging And if you go on to the the the red pill reddit Everybody says oh those guys are just they're just anger filled bitter guys And and they use that as sort of their marketing tool to say we're not like that come over here to you know my life coaching You know business I'll tell you right now. Yes, you will get angry. That's just part of it I have a a post called the the five stages of unplugging It's actually six stages, but five stages of unplugging and they all mirror the five stages of grief because you've got denial you've got Anger you've got acceptance. I I'm not going to run through all of them But it basically follows the the cycle of grief And the reason it does that is because you are killing your old self You have just you're you're mourning the death of your blue pill self when When you get angry and when you are going through those phases We say they're you know, he's caught in the anger phase or he's in the acceptance phase now Sometimes there's a sixth phase which is sort of like the remorse phase But I think that if you're going to unplug healthily there's going to be an anger part of it and how First of all, you got to remember where does that anger come from? That anger comes from not from hatred of women. It's not from Bitches did this to me and I'm I'm bitter and I can't get a girlfriend so I'm going to rage on On twitter. I'm going to go on my you know keyboard and pound the keyboard for a little bit um, I think that That might be that might be the response of some people But it's certainly not the most common response and they're enemies of the red pillard is cherry picking Well, yeah, they are because it it serves their end It serves their purpose to to do so to drive people away from being coming red pill where because I was saying just a minute ago You have to stare across the abyss and you have to find some way to rebuild yourself and recreate yourself in a red pill paradigm Cut away from that blue pill idealism that you just had and so from that respect You're you're mourning the loss of your your old blue pill life and you don't know what to do with yourself But more so that anger is really rooted in anger at oneself because for so long you have been in this sort of blue pill days and this blue pill delusion and What happens is you there is anger, but the anger is not at women the anger is at oneself It's like damn. Why didn't I see this damn? This is so obvious You know, thank you role. Thank you for saving my life. I was going about about to kill myself But now I'm just angry that I didn't see all this stuff happening before so I even got to that point Imagine you are so despondent that you are In your blue pill beliefs and you're breaking up with your girlfriend and you're ready to put the noose around your neck And then suddenly somebody says here's here's the red pill and here's how to be red pill aware and These are the this is why your wife or your girlfriend is leaving you and what what you did and what she did How she responded and you go through all that and you realize that the game has been played on you To the point that you've got a noose around your neck. That's pretty fucking significant So um I think that That anger is really anger that of not seeing it before it actually happened So how do you fight against that you you make guys aware of that you say, you know, you're you're going to be angry But there's there's hope after I have a post called new hope And I think that guys really get stuck in the idea that there's no hope and it's it's completely nihilistic and You know, we're never going to be able to to have all those great things that they told us We were going to have when I was in my blue pill My blue pill phase now that I'm red pill. It's all on me. I got no excuse. I know I know what I need to know now Um, I have to rebuild my life. Maybe you're rebuilding that, you know, literally with a new woman or you're you're You know being kicked out of your house You got to basically restart your life and that might really suck Especially if you became awakened when you're like 40 or 50 years old and you go, I got to go and Restart my my life again, and I'm 50 years old It took me this long to get to this point where I thought things were going to be working out And you realize that you have such a life investment up to that point where you woke up Yeah, you're going to be angry and you're going to be angry at yourself because you didn't figure it out This is like the matrix analogy You don't wake a person up after a certain age or it becomes increasingly risky to do so right right That's why neo bends over on the floor and hacks up his guts right there because it's just such an overwhelming You know, oh my god I can't go back to that but given all that I think a basic way of what you're saying is that anger is pretty normal Yeah, definitely. It's definitely a normal phase and I think that that also needs to be something that Whenever a red pill critic says those guys are just you know angry all the time It's like no, they're not angry all the time They're angry as part of a phase before they can move into something that's a little bit more productive for themselves Yeah, you're gonna get angry. Sorry. We have time for a few more sure one or two more. We might as well Let's get max You know, I was gonna say I didn't have to write anything you guys are asking me everything I would have wrote down on this Um, as far as tribes are concerned in the questions basically questions about men organizing in a tribes essentially Okay, I have a it's a I think it's probably one of my seminal posts on on the rational male called tribes and it's also featured as a a chapter in my book in the third book And right now right here. You are already part of part of a tribe men are intrinsically tribal in nature Okay, we want to come together. We want to you know, we have I mean in our evolutionary past We kind of had to we didn't have really much choice because if we're going to bring down a giant woolly mammoth or an antelope Or something like that you had to have four dudes to help you do it because you couldn't do it by yourself And you had to be able to rely on those dudes to help you make that kill because if you didn't make that kill You weren't going to eat that day and you know who else wasn't going to eat your kid and your wife They were there your girl or whatever was They're not going to be able to eat either. So you've got to come together and you have to collectivize and have a particular Goal in mind and that's I was telling some of the guys here that if you If you're going to get together, uh, if you're going to collectively grab guys together I think we had some like dawn here was trying to get a group of guys together in the phoenix area And just get them together and we're going to make a rational male satellite group or something like that over here The first thing I told them I says you need to base that around something that all the guys can do together They have to sit down And if they're into you know going to the shooting range or if they're into fishing or if they're into some particular Activity, that's how men relate to each other. We have to have some Purpose for us to get together and and and talk So it's not like like I have this other post called women talk men do And so when men are at the the bar and they're sitting there and they're watching the game This is how they this is how they they they relate they go. Hey You know, what do you think you know? And they're looking out this way and they're talking this way Whereas when women are talking they're talking this way And there it's always a face-to-face kind of thing because there is always the the difference between the communication styles of men and women Is that women prioritize the context of the information? How the relating makes them feel whereas men only care about the content the information and that goes back again to the Tribal thing how do we how do we kill a woolly mammoth? That's this entire conference too. Yeah, really some content Yeah, we're we'll have a collective interest to be here to do this. So Like I said it goes back to the evolutionary side of things works We also have some have to have something to do and have to have a purpose So when you're relating to your kid to your boy have something to do with him go and say we're going to go fix the car Johnny let's go fix a car and then you're going to talk some stuff or like if you have a father who you're trying to Sort of reconnect with you say hey dad, why don't we go fly fishing this weekend? Why don't we go do something because You're going to be you have a purpose and you have a goal to Complete and in this in the process of completing that goal. That's when you're going to really talk to each other and you're really Going to relate Also, this goes back to once again the the village trying to emasculate men They want you to believe that the only correct freaking way to talk to another man Is to look at them like this and relate as if we as if we were women They want they seriously they want to put you together and they want you like I'm sure you've probably heard this two Two wives have two husbands and they don't know each other And it's like they get them together for a play date So they can all you know that we can all inter interrelate and we can all go and have a double It's a double date But they want the the guys to get along as if they are children And how do they do that they expect those men to relate to each other as women would And when in reality, we need something to do we need we need a project Also solipsism work right for them that too because we're also dealing with women's innate solipsism and not thinking about anything really outside of themselves It's not malicious. It's just yeah, it's just the easiest way to to pass off the the Responsibility the obligation of you know having to get these guys together so that we can get together We got a wrap up Rolla, thank you so much for those of you still have questions. Hang on. Hang on You know we got to wrap up all the questions over for now except for the next like three days. He's here You could talk to him again and again and also it's also going to say just a quick pitch here Is that I really think that this convention? Especially now that we've sort of turned the corner here and it's become a more red pill bit of a hard bit of a hard red turn Exactly. Um, I really think that there's so much more to this convention than just me getting up on stage Or the guy's getting up on here for an hour and talking about it the real Value of this convention is being able to talk to guys outside of it and go off to you know We're gonna like I know christian and and goldman went off to go clubbing or whatever They probably would be happy to take you along with them, you know, or they're you know We've got so many guys here from so many different branches Of of life and I think that you know just being able to you know, you can have access to me great But I mean there's also a lot of guys here who have other experiences and they're connecting their own dots So it's not just you know, oh, we're gonna go listen to a bunch of speakers. No, there's so much more going on around here Thank you, Rola. I appreciate it. Thank you