 First of all, we'd like to do introduction of the committee members and staff So I'd like to start on the other end with Ryan or other Don. You want to start out and introduce yourselves? Thank you, everybody As any of the members have any conflict of interest with any of the items on the agenda Okay, very good, then we'll move on to the minutes Next item is to approval to approve the minutes of the Planning Commission from August 27th of 2019 Thank you for that motion in support. Is there any discussion on those minutes? Seeing none all those in favor, please signify by saying aye Chair votes aye opposed motion passes Next we'll go on to items for discussion and possible action item 3.1 Signed additional units and variance application by Marshall sign to install a new Lakeshore technical college Projecting sign at 1320 Niagara Avenue turn it over to Steve all right Katie Schultz is here from Marshall sign as well as I'm sorry ma'am from LTC Thank you as the Planning Commission is aware Paul we've Paul weaver has Rebottled and redeveloped 1320 Niagara Avenue, which is the old central tool house which had both doctors and the Harmony bar One of the tenants there that is presently operating I believe as a school year started is LTC and One of the things that LTC is looking for is a projecting sign You can see basically on the plans that you have before you that They're taking a look at that projecting sign. It's 56 square feet It's internally illuminated and they're looking at installing it on the southwest corner of the building The idea is so that people driving north and south on North 14th Street students staff Visitors would have the opportunity to see this internally lit projecting sign to guide them to this new Space that LTC is using so there were a couple of variances with the projecting sign that it's 56 square feet Ordnance is 12 square feet and then it's internally illuminated and again LTC as proposes because they're just looking to make sure that their students and others have the opportunity to see the sign As they drive on North 14th Street So staff was recommending approval of the proposals subject to the conditions you have before you and the applicants are here as well Thank you very much for that report Steve. Does the applicant want to make any remarks? Yep, we just want to make sure that the Students can be able to see it and you know a busy part of town and you said Or are you ready to make a motion? All the person born Thank you for that motion and support One month last call for any discussion Seeing none All those in favor, please signify by seeing aye opposed motion passes Thank you. Thank you very much item three point by the Foodworks holding to construct a new building addition and to operate a new grocery store at 731 Pennsylvania Avenue Steve all right step and all vaguely ideas here and What we're taking a look at today. There's also some neighbors here. I believe for this one as well mayor. Thank you Taking a look at the building located at 731 Pennsylvania Avenue This was previously the professional building that had the optometrist and chiropractor in the in the building Tredatory Stefano is a restaurant group consisting of Tredatoria Stefano El Retrovo Field of Fork and the Duke of Devon and over the years They have dramatically expanding their baking operations as well as their in-house butchery They've truly outgrown their current facilities and also were in need of additional parking So when this facility came up, it was something that they had a lot of interest in The purchase of these properties was the answer and they were initially going to just build a commissary But decided after some research that a larger need existed and they decided that sheboygan really needed a small Specialty grocery store that is on let unlike any other in the community right now In addition to the commissary the new store will offer an amazing bakery old-style local source butcher counter with Burning rotisserie fresh fish counter featuring many of the same world-class items They use in their restaurants a coffee shop and roaster as well as a truly wide variety of grab-and-go products for the Ever-expanding downtown population. I'm sure Stefano will be able to better speak to that than I can in terms of his products They're also looking at the basics of a grocery store your your basic needs as well as beer and wine We will in fact be a full-service grocery store But focused on the rapidly growing demand for carryout of fully cooked and partially prepared items done at a very high level Using the best local Wisconsin products the building that faces a street will house the bakery And inside that steaming window you'll see the bakers rolling croissants and make the baguettes The main entrance will be on Pennsylvania Avenue and will be accessed on foot or From our parking lot. There would be overhead doors as well as opening windows on Penn Ave That would allow us to move produce in items outside like the old days And they will have the building addition on the north side of the building allowing them to maximize the property as well as increase Some of the storage so the project basically is the conversion of that space into a grocery store Delhi bakery the existing footprint is about 6,200 square feet There's a two-story addition. That's 3,500 square feet about 1,700 square feet per floor The existing building will remain with the new building addition added between the north wall and Pennsylvania Avenue Existing parking area will remain which is about a 32 space parking lot There are the property is made up of two parcels so they will be required to combine those parcels into one parcel They eventually will come in with some signage and can work with staff on that But you know as as Chad can probably speak to you know, the city has been working on a downtown grocery store for many years and To have someone like Stefano Go ahead and and proceed forward with a project like this is something that as a community were really excited about You see the result of some of the demands and services and some of the apartments and the different needs and how the shops are filling up And this is just a real exciting opportunity to have a Well-run grocery store and butcher shop and deli, you know come and come to downtown and Just again establishing Sheboygan as an exciting place to live workshop in place So staff was recommending approval of the proposal subject to the conditions that you have before you Steve, thank you very much for that report Stefano. Would you like to add anything to his report? Yeah, so we really we've kind of run out of space and we started to It's I don't want to get too geeky on the baking side of it But when you bake natural leaven breads instead of using yeast you instead of something taking three hours It takes four days. So we have we need a lot more space a lot more cooler space It makes our beds more digestible all that kind of stuff So long story short, we need to grow our butchery operation or bake Reoperation the support of the restaurants through the commissary and I sat on the chamber for a few years and I kept hearing these talks That's it's send it's gonna come to Sheboygan. I heard Senex might come they're gonna we're trying to get someone to come here So I just think that I kept sitting there going gosh. I think we could do this You know where we seem I think we're equipped and so we've been traveling for years We've been at the San Francisco some of those pictures show we went work at buy right grocery store Which is the highest grossing per square foot grocery store in San Francisco got to work in their commissary spend time with their in their store Go out some places in New York We worked at a few places there And I just kept thinking as he as he saw grocery stores kind of shrinking in Middle Isles just becoming obsolete So now I think an 8,000 square foot store is kind of right again And I feel like we've come sort of we've gone from small to really really big to coming back And I think you need both and there's a place for both and we want to be the one that provides that Sort of downtown old-world experience come in and be able to come up to a counter and work with someone down the line Get some meat get some fish get some things get some breads and bakery and kind of work with one sort of Personal shopper kind of like used to go to the old lipkeys market and kind of shop up and down the counter Like used to do as a kid So we sort of want to bring that back and I just feel like the downtown is It's it's fantastic. I mean I want to just I want to compliment the city in general and just this building by the way Is phenomenal, but just the way the city feels to me I've been in my whole life since 1970 and I think where we're at right now is pretty impressive And I just want to I want to continue to grow my businesses. We were being strangled by parking We now finally have a little room to breathe with a few spots there I still wish I had 30 more But I think we all wish that probably in downtown right now But at least we have that problem which means we're doing well So I want to continue to grow and to bring something that I feel we could really use And I have been working with you guys on the design and stuff And I feel like we're at a good point and we're ready to go ahead and grow for the sake of ourselves and the community Thank you very much for your enthusiasm and excitement Are there any neighbors? Speak thank you. Thanks Stefano good work. It'll be efficient. It'll be classy Good work Jim born Thank you, mayor. I was just wondering with your parking stalls there Whether you anticipate some of those will be like short-term parking if people are ordering a meal That's pretty done that they could just come and pick it up and then you know zip in and zip out Great question. That's one of the right to the point on that because we've got that's one of the big things We want to do I don't want to probably play around with delivery That just scares me but curbside pick up one of the biggest things We're gonna do is be pulling proteins off that rotisserie each night So you might call us on a Monday night and say I need chicken I need roasted potatoes and I need vegetable whatever the vegetable of that day is for a family of six Pick up a queen will say five and six you pull up I'm assuming we'll develop some sort of a thing that your phone will you know That's for the young people 30 years I'm gonna need to figure out and we will get some sort of system allows you to come Up pull up be able to stop part either have your things brought curbside or run and grab them Maybe grab a couple of things but we also intend to even do some shopping for people and be able to come out So yeah, we're looking at having some short-term spots either there We've been talking about possibly the need for that maybe curbside on the street to look at some changes there Which is something we did discuss a little bit about having some spots that are more short-term there and Allowing people to come up at certain to maybe it's a certain time of the day that that exists Possibly so we would certainly work with if you don't want to do that all the time If you have there was a window you give us to do that we would look at that too But we think it'll be a big part of our business Thank you Dave Hoffman Stefano, I'm just curious. So what do you have in mind for the second floor? Well, honestly, I hate to say it. I think it's gonna be storage I'm we're so tapped out on storage So I looked at a warehouse to and I was I was close to trying to do two projects and my wife took me by the scruff of my neck and Said you will not do a warehouse and a store downtown at the same time because we're supposed to be retiring in 10 or 15 years I said, okay got it. So We I would rather have a party room or a venue depending on budget Dave We may we are definitely building 1700 feet of storage with an elevator to be able to put pallets of things up there Which allows us to buy a little better But if the numbers are right for me I may make an attempt at trying and that's not in this yet But to build a room off of that upstairs Possibly over the roof area to be a party room which would have a view of Lake Michigan It would allow us to have a beautiful venue for not big groups Maybe 70 to 80. I don't like big big things. I like smaller like that So that might be something we look at doing, but I don't know if the money will be there or not I'm not quite sure if I'll be able to thank you step for now storage What a great use of that space for those of us who will remember Tim eggs. This is this is a great I went there for hot chocolate after my dentist appointment every time and got marshmallows on top of my hot chocolate Thank you Chad Pellecek Tanser alderman-born's question we end to reference what Stefano said in our discussions We did talk about the street parking on Pennsylvania and coming to the council later on with a request to Do some short-term parking in that area We asked them to get the place built first and then we'll shake that out But yes, our intent would be to allow for some pull-up parking and grab products and leave from there Thank you looking for a motion Second thank you for that motion in support one last call for any additional discussion Seeing none all those in favor of the motion, please signify by saying aye. Aye opposed chair votes aye Motion passes. Thank you very much Stefano. Congratulations. Good luck with the project item 3.3 is a conditional use and variance application by 575 Riverwood's partners LLC to construct site improvements to operate a multi-tenant facility from 1213 Pennsylvania Avenue the former May line facility Steve All right John Paray is here from Phoenix investors, and I believe there's a number of neighbors here for this one as well 575 Riverwood partners, which is Phoenix investors is proposing to operate a multi-tenant facility from 1213 Pennsylvania Avenue The building was previously occupied by May line safe go which used the property for manufacturing furniture and office supplies with an accessory use of storage and warehousing and the applicant is looking to obtain a conditional use permit to Continue some of that potential manufacturing and warehousing right now they're looking at Tenants who could potentially fill this industrial space for those purposes And so there's no formal tenants at this point in time, but the conditional use would give them the opportunity to work with One or two tenants that may be have interest in in a similar use as to what was taken place there previously As of now, they're still finalizing plans for some new docks and some exterior facade improvements most of the main site features will remain and The only modification of the building or site is to add for loading docks on the north side of the building So basically there's four loading docks on that side at this point in time But they have some difficulty in terms of getting larger semis in there. So they're going to be demolishing demolishing the old oldest portion of the building that is closest to Pennsylvania Avenue and and that and that picture right there that Chad has that's the section that says mayline Co as you would take a peek at that so you can see where that is that section of the building is to be demolished and then There's presently four docks on that side of the building and what they'll be doing is Creating four new docks on the existing section of the building that will now be exposed when that's demoed Other than that the current square footage is a hundred forty one thousand square feet and after the demolition will be a hundred thirty two thousand square feet So it's likely that if there were two tenants that they would be approximately seventy thousand square feet each some of the Improvements that they're looking at is freshen up the exterior of the building some of the plans that Chad was shown Essentially, they'll be repairing everything back to the original and then painting all the panels white to improve the appearance of the building Let's see in in spring of 2020 They'll be taking a look at some of the site as far as parking and Landscaping and grading and they may be doing some additional work at that point in time There is a couple of comments from staff There's a couple of Signs that still refer to may line so we'd want just the applicant to remove that signage on there There's a couple of man doors on the west side of the building That have some canopies that are in poor shape. I'm assuming those are all to be removed or repaired There's some discussion with the applicant about the fence along Pennsylvania Avenue. It's a little weathered I think there was some discussion that it could be removed or repaired either one of those would be fine Presently the property is three parcels So we'd be requiring the the applicant to combine those into one lot And then if there were any future improvements to the site in terms of parking or things of that nature applicant may need to Come back to the plan Commission to address those needs Other than that staff was recommending approval of the request Subject to the conditions you have before you I can answer any questions the applicants are here And then there are some neighbors here on this one as well mayor. Thank you very much, Steve Would the applicant like to make any further remarks on the project? Please step to the podium. Hi there John Paray from Phoenix. Can you hear me alright? Okay? Yeah, so essentially I see kind of covered most items We purchased the building a little over a year ago, and it's it's been in pretty rough shape. I mean our We Phoenix investors that the company I represent we kind of own buildings coast to coast and our staples kind of Finding these buildings that are in rough shape and communities, you know that are great around it And just kind of breathe a new life in them and essentially what we're doing to this building we just got approved from the architectural review board to kind of You know refresh and you hold outside of the building as far as the facades on each side and then yeah The docks have just been an issue. We've been trying to market the building You know we were hoping to land a manufacturing tenants, but a lot of it's going to be probably warehousing distribution But that older building that we plan on demolishing the grade are the finished floor levels higher than the rest of the building So that's become an issue as far as some of these tenants that have specialty product and whatnot and Just that building was built at a different time So the configuration of the docks was wasn't made for the size of trucks that they have nowadays and the kind of Uses that'll be used for And you know in the future as Steve also mentioned we do plan on taking a really good look at the site And working with your landscape division and coming up with a good plan as far as you know breathe a new life into the Site there as well because there are a lot of invasive species that have come and things have been overgrown and the maintenance It's just been kind of poor over the years So overall we're just trying to improve the site and you know make it more marketable to bring new tenants You guys a city Thank you very much for those comments commissioners any discussion Is there anyone else who would like to speak please step to the podium then And just your name and address, please and then your comments It's beautiful yard and all of a sudden they come and said that we're trespassing in our house was built 1912 And we took it we moved in there October 1st 1990 and we've been carrying it Taking care of it all these years planting flowers and now all of a sudden we don't know what's gonna happen to it They got signs saying that part when Mayline was there No sign, you know parking between signs because they were taking parking where we could go in our Parking area where we once had a garage, but it collapsed so we tore it down And we just got done only a few months ago putting a new slab and a new shed on there And now all of a sudden they're saying we're trespassing What's gonna happen to my yard? We're the only ones with a yard back there and it's a beautiful John did you want to reply to that? Please come up. Yeah, so I mean I can't talk to the legal side of things I know that there was an agreement between them and Mayline back in the day because they actually have No parking signs that give them access through our site But you know essentially you're driving right through truck route and that didn't really seem safe You know to us, especially we have new tenants in the future and when we we plotted this the site You know as far as having a survey or come out there. It did encroach a little bit and you know I don't know where the legal talks are gonna go at that I can't speak on that aspect of things But I know that you know once we do start doing these site improvements down the road that you know Since those abutting zoning districts, we're gonna have to do some sort of buffer there as it is So it's gonna you know come into play at some point either now or you know once we start doing site improvements Please use the mic And some ladies helped us and I got pictures of it on my phone and copies of it Say we had that Eastman to go to where our garage was. What do you only want to have that? You know Chad So I think this is a this is really an issue between the property owner It's this ma'am just a minute ma'am just a minute This is a civil matter between property lines between the two entities That's we've been advised by our city attorney's office in the past that this is really a property line Issue and this has to be worked out between the two of you You know whether may line allowed this to happen in the past or not You know that we don't know that So I think you know I The representative is here their legal counsel has been working on this I think you know, that's the way it's gonna have to be worked out between You know if you have an attorney your attorney and their attorney, but this is not a matter That's gonna be able to be solved at this meeting tonight Thank you very much for your comments we appreciate it. Sorry, we can't give you an answer to your question at this time Jerry Before you sit down just what are your thoughts along the Pin Avenue side with the fence the fencing? so There is a wood fence right there as existing and when we had some of the representatives from your side out on the site You know they said the fence looks alright. Maybe we just paint it, but Additionally behind that there's a bunch of you know overgrown area our plan would be to you know Remove all that and work with your landscape division to come up with a good plan that you know Both parties agree on that will you know improve the aesthetics on that side of the building? Okay. Thank you Were there any other neighbors that wanted to speak to this issue? Okay commissioners looking for motion Marilyn I Just encourage you to figure this out because you should be good neighbors So talk to each other attorneys talk but figure it out Jerry, I'll make a motion to approve subject to staff recommendations Thank you for that motion in support one last call for any discussion Seeing none all those in favor of the motion, please signify by saying aye. Aye chair votes aye opposed Motion passes Thank you very much So I'll take the last one so Scott Revolinsky is here representing High Point Apartments You'll recall High Point Apartments is the apartment complex that was built on South A Street between Virginia and Jefferson Street Some place down there That area when when they came in for plan approval It was for 90 all the paperwork had 90 units. They actually built 91 units They took a building permit out for 91 units But the paperwork for the conditional use permit referenced 90 units and they're trying to get their find their Permanent financing in order and their lenders having a concern over the fact that it says 90 units so We said that we would just Approve we would just recommend an amendment to the conditional use permit that was originally approved Upping the units from 91 units to the 90 units So we'd be looking for approval in the minutes for that I moved to approve He would like to speak you you got to pick up the This is Scott Revolinsky. I'm one of the developers for Was was the 92 so the 91 units are on the plans for Building inspection the additional unit this 90 second unit is that showing on the plans Yeah I would say let's leave it at the 91 and then at the time that that moves forward will We can address it at that way that way our conditional use permit matches what the building permit is Okay, any other discussion Jerry? No, actually that was the question I had whether that was going to be enough So I'll make a motion to approve. It's presented. Thank you very much Thank you for that motion Dave and we have two motions now We'll go with the first one all those in favor, please signify by saying aye opposed Chair votes aye motion passes Jerry Thank you for that motion in support all those in favor of adjournment, please signify by saying aye We'd say adjourned. Thank you for your time today