 So, hello everybody, this is the Jones Library Building Committee. I'm Paul Bachman, the town manager. I'm convening this meeting until we get to our first item on the agenda. We are holding this meeting virtually under the laws of the Commonwealth that are in effect until April 1, 2022 at this point in time. And the first thing I want to do is make sure everybody can hear and be heard. So I will just go across for the members, Sean Mangano. Yes. George Hicks Richards. Yes. Sharon Sherry. Here. Austin Serrat. Here. Anika Lopes. Yes. Christine Gray Mullen. Yeah. Alex Lafebvre. Yes. And we have guests as well. Ken Romeo. I'll call you. Good afternoon. And Ken Gayet, you're there. Here, president. Thank you. And Angela Mills. Yes, thank you, Paul. Great. Thank you. So the first order of business that we have is for officer elections. So we need to have been serving as a chair pro tem, but we need to have someone who's willing to serve in this seat permanently in the way we will. Well, at least not permanent, but for the time that they want to. And the way we will do this is ask for nominations. Once someone, you don't need a second for a nomination. Once there is a nomination, I'll ask the person nominated if they would like to serve and I'll continue that process until there are no more nominees. Then we will go through the committee and ask for the name of the person they would like to serve, who they would like to have serve as chair. So I will open the floor for nominations if there's anyone who'd like to nominate someone and you can also allow self nominations. Sharon. I would like to nominate Austin, Sarah. Austin, do you accept the nomination? Is this instead of the Supreme Court vacancy? It is. Okay, then I accept. Good. Are there other nominations? Seeing none. No one eager to raise their hand. So we do, we do need to vote. So I'll ask you to vote by saying yes or Austin's name. Oh, Christine. I support the nomination, but we had had discussion at the last meeting about waiting until we were a full committee and we're still down the other member and I was just wondering what the status. Is that going to take so long? This is why we're going with officers. Good question. So we don't have that person yet. We're still in the interview stage for that. So that would happen could happen as soon as February 7th, but there are no guarantees on that. I think the need for a chair at this moment is more fairly urgent and the committee can always change that. But it's up to the will of the committee if they would like to continue with the process or not. Any thoughts? Christine. So what you're saying is the earliest it would be as the 7th, what would be the next so then is it the next possible date is the 28th I think. And when do we think we would have our next possible meeting? Like, are we going to go another month? Do not have that discussion. Yeah, so I was just wondering, you know, if we're close to getting that other member, it would be nice to include them. But if it's imperative or a whole nother month or we need to take votes like that. So I'm just pushing back a little not wondering what the big push, because you do such a great job Paul running. And, you know, I'm sure, you know, Austin is enjoying the vacation. Any other thoughts from members? My own view is, and again, this has not to do with me personally, we need to get this is the second meeting we need to get in motion. We've got a lot of things already on our plate. And I think the new person comes comes on can be consulted and if necessary, we can change anything but I do think we should get on with the business. Thank you, George. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you for the motion that we go forward with the process of. Electing officers. Okay, sir. We already are in the middle of a motion. For the chair. So what you're saying is you're expressing the interest in moving forward. That's correct. Rule on that motion. What do other folks think? Sean Alex. Anika. I agree with the second grade. I agree with the second grade. We consulted when you remember rather. We consulted when they come in. I agree with an ECA. Okay. Alex. In second grade, this means I agree. Okay. So we will. Continue with the rule with the vote for the chair at this point in time. And the next item will be a vice chair. Okay. Sean. Yes. Okay. George. Yes. Sharon. Yes. Austin. Yes. Anika. Yes. Christine. Yes. And Alex. Yes. Okay. So I turned the proverbial gavel over to Austin. Thank you. Thank you, Paul. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. I think it would be helpful if we could put the agenda up on the screen. So I'll actually be able to remember what's on it. The next item is as I recall the question of, do we want to elect a co chair or a vice chair rather? Excuse me. Vice chair. Do I hear a sentiment for a vice chair? Would anybody like to speak? Yep. Sharon. I nominate Christine Gray Mullen. I'll accept that nomination. Yes. Thank you. Okay. Other nominations for vice chair. Okay. Are we ready to vote? I will call your name as I see you on the screen. Sean. Yes. Sharon. Yes. George. Yes. Anika. Yes. Christine. Yes. Well, you got to try it again with a little more enthusiasm. Yes. There you go. That's much better. Alex. Yes. And Paul. Yes. Great. Okay. I am going to ask to put the agenda up. Angie, do you have the agenda? I do. Can you put it up on the screen? Absolutely. Thank you. Okay. I'll ask Angie. Angie, are you going to be the clerk so to speak of the committee? Are you going to take notes for us? Only until you fire me. Okay. That's totally fabulous. That is, that is totally fabulous. So. Are you going to screen share the agenda? There it is. Fantastic. All right. So the next item on the agenda of the minutes of January 12th. And we need a motion to approve the minutes. Is there a motion to approve the minutes? I moved to approve. Is there a second. Second. Correct. Corrections to the minutes. Alex. Yeah. On the third page. These are, these are things I said, which I just am making a little correction on. Sorry, Angela. On the third page, second line where it said Lafayette question, whether or not there needs to be a subcommittee for historic aspects of the building. I just wanted to remove the word committee because that's duplicative and. And Angela has these changes. So she knows what I'm going to say. And add since we just received a historic structures report to guide those aspects of the project. Because that was why I was questioning it. And then. On the fifth line about. The sustainability where it says Lafayette was hoping these individuals could be woven into the design and build process. Change was hoping to stated it was the intention when this subcommittee was formed that. And changed. Could to wood. So just clarification on why. What I hope I said, I tried to go back to the recording, but I don't know why. But I do. I don't know whether these changes look correct. Are you seeing that minutes? Yeah. Hold on. Let me get it big. I've got half screen. Buildings. We just. Yep. Yep. Thank you. Okay. Okay. Other. Other corrections to the minutes. Okay. Yeah. Christine. I had done you. It just says four o'clock. Was it four or four 30? I thought we started it for last time. That's my recollection. Okay. Thank you. Thank you, Christine. Just other questions about the minutes. Okay. Are we ready to vote on the minutes? Again, I'm going to ask you to signify vocally. Whether you approve the minutes, Sean? Yes. Thank you, Sharon. Yes. Anika? Yes. George? Yes. Christine? Yes. Paul? Yes. And Alex? Yes. Okay. Again, Angie, if you would screen share the agenda. I think the next item is we're going to hear from Sean. Yes. So there's not much of an update since the last time I did have another meeting with our financial advisor just to update him on the progress of this building committee and that we're moving forward. We both agreed sort of our next step is once we get the designer on board and the designer and the OPM and this group have developed this project a little bit further in terms of the timing and the cash flow, an updated cash flow for this project. That's when we'll reengage with him to map out whatever financing options we pursue. And then the only other thing I think we're going to talk about soon is the contract for the designer. And that will really dictate the rest of the world. It'll be the next big financial element to this project. And I think that's it. Great. Thanks. Any questions about the financial update? I promise they'll get more interesting as we dive into this further. Or at least I hope they will. I can't promise that. I take that back. May I just ask Sean, just could you just talk to us a little bit about how you foresee making the decision about the timing of borrowing? Yeah. So again, I think the timing of the borrowing, the big interest for those who are following interest rates are starting to rise. And so there's interest in borrowing as soon as we can to get the funds locked in at a low interest rate. And also because we have these other building projects coming up that start making payments on this one and get this started. So we have two options. We can borrow potentially this June and lock in that interest rate and start making payments as early as FY23. And if we did that, we would use the funds that we borrow to pay for all the costs of the project up until the point that we run out and then we would switch over to the grant funds. And as I said last time, the benefit there is we can generate returns on those grant funds and then put that back into the project. So that's sort of what I'd like to do. The only caution I have and I talk about the cash flow and the timeline is once you borrow money, you generally have a certain amount of time to spend it. And until we get real, you know, until we get clear on when the construction costs are going to start, you know, the real significant bills for this project, we don't want to borrow too far in advance that we can't spend that money within really a year to two years or, you know, or most of that money, there's certain thresholds that you have to hit to keep for the bonds that we have to keep certain types of tax statuses. So, so that's sort of the, the only caution I have to that option is, is the cash flow and making sure that we can spend the money within a certain period of time. Great, thanks. Okay, if I see no other hands. Okay, so thank you Sean. Next, Ken from Colliers, Ken. Thank you, sir. So first thing I wanted to just touch on really quick is just introduce you to the newest team member of Team Colliers for this project. While he is a new team member for our team he's been with the firm for over 20 years so he's one of our more seasoned senior project managers, and his name is Ken Romeo can I don't know if I wanted to say a quick word. Please do. Sure. Thank you for inviting me to this meeting and looking forward to this exciting project as Ken and I've talked about I've worked on some library projects but nothing as historic as this one I've worked on other historic projects and private schools so looking forward to going through this whole process and getting the project done with all of you. And thank you we're really looking forward to working with you and appreciate all that you will do. Ken, thanks. Thank you so yeah so Ken Romeo will be the one that will be, you know, the day to day contact, obviously still be heavily involved in this project, and anybody can call me at any time as well. But Ken is going to be is definitely going to be the senior PM moving this thing forward. So the first item on the agenda that we had was the design firm the overview so we did finally hear back from fine gold. Last night around 6pm with their fee proposal, it's about 10% over budget right now. We reached out to Ellen to get a time tomorrow to meet with her and her team to get that number down there was also a series of additional services that they had in that in that fee proposal that we want to see if we can just wrap up into one fee and just have everything consolidated into one fee that that meets our budget. So we're still ongoing. That is, I anticipate that that will be, hopefully, tied up in completed prior to our next meeting that was the intent. And so, I will have more definitely more information for you all on that as we get towards our next committee meeting so when I get that final proposal that seems to make sense from a budget and scope stand standpoint I'll make sure that that gets out to the entire committee prior to our meeting so that we can be able to have any conversations and answer any questions we have on it by then. Any questions in that yet so far. Okay, great. But the next item on the agenda is the project schedule so as we discussed last time this is going to be there our first real big deliverable with the design team coming out of the gate once they're on board is to make the large macro schedule that we have whereas broken out the big chunks of time and break those down at the individual milestones with individual day dates that tie back to that overall schedule to make sure that we're, we're moving in lock step and getting the project done on time and under budget so that's something that can myself and Ellen and her team will be developing. And so as they're, they're on board. And we will, if we are able to come to some sort of agreement on the fee in principle before our next meeting, then we'll work on that schedules that will have not only their feet to look at but also a scheduled draft schedule for you to look at as well. For our next meeting. The last item that I have the agenda, which may see can be for you before you go into the interim location I'm sorry to interrupt you. There's more work that find go will have to do in the so called schematic phase before design development. I think so I think they will have to revisit some of the items that came out of, you know, the last couple of years between the time that the, the, the grant round started to where we're at today and make sure and confirm that some of those things are really going into this package going forward and make sure that they tie all that into that design development set as we start moving moving the project along. It's more of a scope confirmation I think at this point and you know again making sure the programmatic elements are appropriate and that you know the team is comfortable with that before moving into that next phase of design where it starts to really get locked in. Thank you. So, sorry, I just wanted to point out that one of the things we'll have to do is meet with the MBLC like ASAP, because they still have some concerns, and, and a benefit of us still being in schematic design phase is that we'll be working with ever source on the energy credit so it's important to get in early. Yeah. Thanks, Sharon. Okay, Ken. So I don't see interim location. I know this seems like it's a long way off. I mean, we're probably a year away in reality, for far for the existing building to be moving into his temporary location. So this is going to be extremely important that 1213 months is going to go by in a flash. And there's a lot of work that has to happen between now and then we've got to work with Sharon and her team and the MBLC to confirm program that's got to go in this temporary locations, temporary location we got to take a, you know, take a look at what spaces are available for this temporary location and how that is going to meet the needs of the temporary library whether it's on, you know, public transportation, adequate parking things of that nature. So once we get to a point where we've located a space that's got adequate square footage, what's it going to take to get that space up to a level of construction that satisfies needs of the temporary library as well. Are we going to need a circulation desk is there restrooms, you know, accessibility all those things that are going to have to tie into this it's a very lengthy process and we want to start on that immediately so that'll be working. We'll start on that in tandem with the with the larger project with Sharon and her team and just want to just again make the committee aware that we'll be coming to them sooner rather than later with with information on that as we as we move that forward. And can a question and I'm sorry Sean. Thanks Austin. Ken is, is there a contingency already within the project budget for the costs of that interim location. I mean I am currently in the budget that carries costs. And, you know, again, without knowing what that space is going to be in the size of it. You know we put in what we thought was appropriate based on historic. We've done this before you know and you know the cost seemed appropriate but it's going to really depend largely on where we're going to end up and we end up partnering with. And that covers things like moving expenses and then physical adjustments to the location potentially if that's needed. That's correct. Yeah, that's the intent. Yeah. Thank you. Thank you, Sean. Thank you, Ken. Paul. Paul, you're muted. Thank you. So a couple questions. One is interming in determining. Explain to me the process for determining how much space the more space we require the more expensive it will be so how do we get the most efficient use of space with the mandatory. Requirements of the services that we want and need to provide, and then how to follow up question about how to branches play into that. And thirdly, does it have to be we're looking for space for a couple building or one building and it doesn't have to be within the bounds of the town of Amherst. Go ahead, Sharon. I know you're going to get your hand up. Great question. So first off, I've been working with this staff. So they've been putting together the list of their requirements and they're pretty reasonable. We're not looking at pie in the sky requirements. We realize, for example, programming space probably isn't going to be a priority. As you said, the more space the more expensive it's going to be. So let's start with the staff on what they think their needs are. We do know that we will have access to both branches will be able to add staff there will be able to add open hours there. Hopefully we'll be able to use the hall at the months in so that that can be a great place for collections. So in theory, the North Amherst library expansion project will be done. And so there is a small ish meeting space there. Maybe collections could go there. It's to be determined. And yes, it does have to happen in Amherst. So that's definitely going to be a limiting factor. I think that's everything. Okay. Yeah, Christine. Thank you for putting up on that. So is it actually two spaces like I assume that stuff needs to get put in one place that doesn't get touched and then there's the actual running of the library and then there's stuff books and media that you'd want to get to in the short term. So is it one place to place. How does that work. I have a feeling that it's going to be multiple places because we take up a lot of square footage. So that's just my gut. And I have a feeling there isn't going to be one place that will hold all of us. Yes, certainly stuff will be stored like a lot of our furniture. I mean arts collection that can be stored, but by law, our collections have to be made available. So, so there's that. And I take it Sharon that it would be appropriate to this conversation but the location will also involve the board of trustees of the library. And we'll be thinking with the staff and working very closely with the town. Yeah, so what I understand from the, the committee charge. It's our job to make recommendations and then the town manager and the board of trustees would approve. Great. Okay, any other questions for Ken, can thank you and thank you for the work you've already, you've already done. And I'm going to ask you now to take down the agenda if you could. Great. Thank you. The next item is the discussion of committees. And on the agenda are listed a design committee, an outreach committee a sustainability committee and a committee called other. So I'm going to actually ask Sharon, if she can talk us through a little bit about what she sees these committees as doing and what her vision is of the number of people that should be on the committees. So Sharon. Yeah, so I'd love more input from Ken about this. So certainly because of as many committees as we have they're all going to be publicly posted open meetings with meeting minutes and all of that so I don't think we want to have a ton of committees and maybe we don't want to have a ton of committees all at the same time. I envision several different committees over the lifetime of the rest of the project. In my mind, the design committee is like, number one, I think the outreach will be super important, especially once we get the, are this building committee fully, fully formed. The sustainability committee. So I included that as Sean had said, we, the library trustees have an existing sustainability committee, you know, for experts in this field. And so if we could somehow incorporate them into this work that would be really lovely, but as far as the actual makeup how many committee members I haven't thought that far in advance, I'm not sure. I'm hoping Ken has recommendations. That's, that's exactly right. I do have some recommendations. So typically for a design design subcommittee, it may be two or three members of this committee. You know, obviously the director is going to have a big role in that in her staff her staff will get pulled in as needed. We'll have other consultants that get pulled in as needed other town departments, fire police things of that nature that get pulled in. As we're going through the design process and it's really just, again, it's, it's, it's a, it's a committee that's able to get down into the weeds of the design and be able to report that back to the, to the full building committee. So the full building committee gets, again, gets their, their input into the design of the project as well. And likewise without reaching sustainability. These are going to ebb and flow. There are they are typically not going to happen at really at the same times. We're going to, we're going to be focusing more on design early on. Obviously outreach is going to happen like like Sharon said, once the committee is fully informed and sustainability will probably get our marching orders early on and then check in periodically through the design phase to ensure that we're still meeting those those goals that that were established. So really it's, it's, it's, you know, two or three individuals per per committee. I think at this point in time that will expand with people outside of this committee as needed. And just to be clear, Ken, from your experience design outreach and sustainability is a reasonable place to start. Are there other committees, subcommittees that you think we might need. Yeah, there. So some districts and projects depending on the project may elect to do what we call a finance subcommittee as we get into construction. And they're predominantly looking at change orders and things of that nature at a greater degree after we've done our initial review will sit with the subcommittee and review it in detail so that when we report back to the building committee, the building has the assurances of the subcommittee that it's been thoroughly vetted. Right. So, one other question, Sean, and that has to do with the timing so the design committee design subcommittee are kind of at what point do you imagine that group needs to begin to do its work. So I think what we the first thing that we have to do is is kind of get to the point where we've established the schematic design, and once we get through schematic design is we're working through design development. That's going to be a good time to get that design subcommittee on board, so that they can inform that that development as it moves forward. Okay. So discussion of committees, do you have thoughts about the committees that are before us that are the right committees. What are your thoughts about committees, Sean. They seem like the three that we've identified makes sense. And I'd be all for a finance one once, you know, we get more into the weeds on that. But they make sense to me. Great. Thanks, Paul. I agree with that as well. And I think if we need committees along the way, or if we need some committees might have more work like the design committee might have more participation. But also, I think Sharon mentioned, these are all public meetings. So any member who would like to attend can attend. So I agree with starting with this group and then having finance ready to go when the time is right. Paul, Sean may just ask one other question before Paul. Again, drawn on your experience, the outreach committee. Could you talk a little bit about what the vision is of that committee again and when you think it really ought to begin to do its work and could you say a little bit about what from your experience the work of that committee would entail. So other people can weigh in as well. I think the success of this project will be measured in many ways by how successfully we can engage with the community along the way in terms of the design. And I think making sure there's, there'll be a lot of voices who have opinions and things to say. And we want to make sure that we have ample opportunities for people to express those opinions, I think. And so I think that's why an early and often focus on outreach is going to be really important. And I think there's a lots of different ways to do it. And we're going to use lots of different tools. You know, electronic in person. You know, whatever it is that it takes, but I think the most important thing on this project is to be incredibly transparent and inclusive as much as we can. But there also, we need to measure that with being able to make decisions in a timely, timely manner. Thank you, Paul. Ken. Oh, can you say something else about the outreach committee? Yeah, actually, that's, that's a, that's a great segue, Paul. I, the one of the things though, the last thing that you said is really the thing I want to caution the committee on is just paralysis by analysis. And that's, you know, one thing we just have to be mindful of, you know, there are, there are. We do want to absolutely get impact and get input from the community community and from other constituencies, but you know, there's, there's, we have to weigh that against what the professionals that are that are utilizing this building day in and day out that that using services day in and day out and weigh that against each other and just make sure that we're still pushing this project forward as we're as we're doing this. That's going to be the critical, the critical aspect. Right. Other thoughts about committees. Yeah, Sean. So, if it's not part of the purview of this committee, then I'm totally fine with that is the is the relocation part. Does that fall under this committee or does that fall under the library trustees, the relocation process and decisions around that. Well, can what is your experience been. My experience has been is that the building committee is handled that typically because it's part of their budget. So that's the case and we may want to consider that as a, again, I don't know if the full group needs to discuss all the right or details of that process or you may want to committee that's dedicated to that. Great. Thank you. Okay, other thoughts about committees. So what I got a propose if it's it makes sense to you is that Sharon and can and I will get together Christine and talk about these committees and maybe draft a charge for each of the committees. Are you good with that. And I take it Paul that the three of us and can don't constitute a group, or do we have to notice the meeting. Look at he's smiling at me. This is always the hard part is what's open meeting. So you should post something I would think if you're going to have this kind of conversation. If we're good if the commit if this committee is delegating something to you to do. It's as if this committee we're doing it. So, even if two people are dedicated to doing something. If you were Austin on your own, we're going to draft up something and bring it back. That'd be totally different. You know, I'm outside and I like company. So I think we'll the four of us will get together and and talk and then come back with proposal. Okay. And we will set if it's okay, we will set our, our meeting to do that offline. And then we'll notice the meeting. Okay. All right. So thank you, Sharon. I think you can that item on the agenda is a regular meeting schedule. So as I recall last time we had agreed to meet every couple of weeks. Is that what we had agreed to. So, let's plan our next, let's plan our next meeting couple of weeks from now. So, going to the calendar today is the 27th. The meeting would be. February. February 10th. Does that work for people? No. Okay. That's what he said. That's not a good time. Again, I'm going to just. Are we thinking about Thursdays as a good day? Alex. Okay. So the capital planning committee starts meeting on Thursdays from five to seven. And that'll be for the next eight weeks. So. Okay. In two weeks from it is also, there's a four towns meeting for the school department on that same evening. So shall we go to the following week, the week of the 21st of February. Okay. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. What day are you talking? Tuesday. Tuesday, the 22nd. What did we decide for the week of. I thought that there was a lot going on. So we were going to just wait a week. So that's school vacation week of aim is that it doesn't impact me, but I'm not sure if it impacts other people. Yeah. I'm off. Yeah, I can't, I can't do that week. Okay. I resign as chair. Okay. Stop smiling. Okay. So let's see whether we go back to the previous week. So the week of. Let's see. So that was the week of the 10th, the seventh. Okay. So the week of the seventh. The week of the eighth. I mean, here's a, here's a Ken question. So that's a little less than two weeks. Will you have things back from find, go, Alexander, for example, in that timeframe. Yeah, that's, that's the hope, Austin. Yeah. That's definitely the intent is to try to get something back from them by next week that we've got vetted and I can get off to the committee. Great. So does Tuesday, the eighth work. Okay. That is fabulous. So let's put in. In the book. Tuesday, the eighth at 430. At 430. At 430. Is that, is that good for people? Or would you like it at four? Was there anyone. Well, so does that work for you and equal 430. Yes, it does. Great. Okay. So let's say 430 on the Tuesday, the. Eight and then my question just has to do with whether or not we can. Kind of now do you want to use Tuesdays as our. Meeting day and try to put. Every other Tuesday in the book for a while. The only thing I would caution on that. Mr. Chairman is just the fact that the design team hasn't no pine yet on their availability. And we would need them to be part of those. Building committee meetings. Okay. So we'll, we'll, we'll set our meeting for Tuesday, the eighth, and then we'll. We'll go from there. But again, I just want to ask us our Tuesdays. A good day. Yeah. Okay. So let's put in pencil. And then we'll find out what they can. What they can do. Okay. Thank you. Okay. The next item. Topics not anticipated by the chair. So are there anything, anything else that we need to talk about that wasn't on our agenda? Paul. Anika had her hand up before me, I think. Sorry. Anika. I just wanted to confirm. So the will the meeting stay at 430 p.m. Okay. Thank you. All right. Thank you. And Paul. So this is a question, I think. For the, for Ken, I think, or Sharon is as, as we start taking on our charge, are there libraries that you would say, go visit this library? This is sort of what we're thinking about. I mean, I think we have some time. To prowl around other locations that are like, I think we're going to be able to see what's going on. So that's just a question. So what are the types of things that we're looking for? These are, look at these three or five libraries over the course of the next month. Could you come up with a list like that for us? Sure. Yeah. That's great. Sharon, do you, do you have preliminary thoughts on that list? Yeah. Yeah. So, you know, my initial is go see Cambridge. I think that's a great example. They've got an historic piece that's tacked on to, you know, just a little bit of a walk in. The, the sight lines are perfect. You know exactly where the elevator is. You either go up or down. It's just very clearly laid out. Don't laugh at me. So Cambridge is my number one. But yeah, there are certainly others that are in the area. They have more money than God. So. You're right. You're right. Christine. I know the professionals can weigh on this, but the Providence was very open last year with the renovation. They utilized an existing, like 1920s building. And it, it seems to me that it's, you know, because they were confined to using the space that they had somewhat. We have a little bit more with an addition on there, but is that one that people could look at? Sure. Providence is my hometown. Come with me. I'll take you to some good restaurants. George. I would just say more locally, the Holyoke public library is another example of old meets new. And they did a really good job of like bringing some of the old into the new with their transitioning. So if you wanted to go somewhere local, that's, that's a good option as well. That's, that's an FAA project too. I think correct. Fine. We'll do that project as well. So we'll come up with a list. Right, Ken. You come up with this. Yep. That's great. Thank you, Paul. Thanks for raising that George. Your hand is still up or. Sorry. Sorry. Sorry. Oops. Okay. George back. Georgia not back. Alex. Did we, I don't see the agenda, but do we need to do public comment? I'm not sure if that got. Comes next. Oh, see, I don't have the agenda in front of me. There you go. Newster. Yeah. So anything else that we need to discuss that was not on our agenda at the time that this meeting was noticed. Okay. The next item is public comment. And I'm wondering if any of the attendees. I would like to make a comment. If so, if you could raise your virtual hand. Or signify in some other way. Okay. I see no, um, no, no public comment. I want to thank the just mentioned that there are five people in the audience just for reference. I was going to thank them for attending. Thanks for your interest in the, in the project. Okay. I think we have completed our agenda. And would entertain a motion to adjourn. So moved. This is second. Thank you. So again, I'm just going to, as I see you on the zoom screen. Sean. Hi. Thank you. Ken. Excuse me. Not you. You don't get to vote to adjourn. Okay. Although you are anxious to adjourn, you don't get to vote George. Yes. Sharon. Yes. Anika. Yes. Christine. Yes. Paul. Yes. Thank you, Alex. Thank you all. And we look forward to seeing you in a, in a, in a couple of weeks. Stay safe, everybody. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Good evening.