 a convenience store and bought cheese lucky logger and point put it in the back of the car nice those were the days those were the days like 1990 i think that was a while ago sure was roger that was 27 years ago that was the weekend i met cheap trick all of them are just the one i actually only met two of them and bunny carlos stepped on my foot did he say sorry i think he did yeah yeah i think he noticed kind of muttered an apology i didn't crush your foot completely yeah in excess was there too bunny carlos uh began the famous people who have stepped on tom's foot club nice that wolf blitzer is also a member of oh i i actually was at the uh what airport i was with josh laurence no less and he didn't notice him but i noticed both blitzer like over like like on the seat waiting for the same flight i didn't say anything to him though and then uh um oh shoot now i can't remember his name mr t he's out of that he's out of the club if i can't remember his name can't be that famous was he a sports star uh no he's a tech blogger uh ryan block no not ryan go back no no steve i remember steve um no robert scoble robert scoble stepped on my foot it's out by southwest uh you should have said evangelists yeah i should have all right i should have said would you care to start the show let's do it well let's have kyoshi start the show for us oh wait that's the wrong recording i'm most recorded on that here we go kyoshi start the show hey you yeah you do you want to help out the daily tech news show well it's really easy just go to daily tech news show dot com slash support and find out how thank you this is the daily tech news for thursday july the sixth 2017 i'm tom merit and justin robber young is back she's been a couple thursdays since we did a thursday of course we got to talk at ner tech in the last friday though was it a couple i thought it was just the one we missed we missed last weeks and then i guess yeah that's just the one that's fine it's been two weeks it's been two weeks in the intervening only one third like an eternity to me too time that's right it's good to be uh good to be back today we are going to wildly speculate we have one of those stories that's rooted in enough reality but without enough facts that we can responsibly wildly speculate and i have a i have a bet of what's happening between amazon and dish justin you think so huh i think i've got an idea well i'll tell you what there's only one way to find out yeah we're gonna get to talk about it but first we start with a few tech things you should know about uber's launching that ability to tip in the app that they promised in 121 cities in north america previously it was being tested in just seattle minneapolis and houston now it's available much wider tips can be left for up to 30 days after your trip you know it's something that was a long time coming and one of the differentiating points uh that lyft always kind of had over uber so curious to see how much use it gets and uh you you noted in our little pre-meeting that the tip does not in uh affect the rating that your driver gives you they only doubt about your tip after they have rated you whatever according to syconi right uh you you rate the rider then you find out if they tip you mm the nintendo switch app is set to launch on july 21st the same day as splatoon 2 the app will provide lobbies voice chats stat tracking and more for splatoon 2 more features will come in 2018 along with the switch is twenty dollar a year online service so basically it's a splatoon app to launch but then once you have it it'll start adding more features as more features become available semantech will acquire fire glass it's a tele v visceral based company that specializes in something called browser isolation uh this kind of uses a little bit of virtual machine type magic to allow corporate users to view any website they want without risking the rest of the network seems pretty important these days ah yes yes yes so now you can leave your pesky employees to wander into whatever uh den of an equities they can malware warning who cares i've got browser isolation cancel cancel cancel motorola sent out envoy invites to the press for an event in new york city on july 21st the invite read you won't want to miss this and an animated gif of a rainbow colored hallway it's possibly going to be doing drew introduce the moto x4 phone i believe it's the 25th not the 21st or oh 25th my bad yeah yeah yeah but uh probably gonna be the moto x4 that's gonna be hello moto hello moto world is the hashtag pretty much guarantees it's fun microsoft confirmed it plans to cut thousands of jobs as part of a reorganization we we talked previously about the the leak that this was going to happen now it's official uh microsoft not saying the number but cmbc reports that that number will be around 3000 which would be 10 of microsoft's workforce microsoft's last major reorganization took place about a year ago after former coo kevin turner left the company this one is revolving around the shift to cloud microsoft's cloud and server business has been refueling up revenue recently with server products and cloud services revenue up 15% azure revenue itself growing by 93% in the recent quarter and with windows i mean few enterprise level contracts but mostly free to the rest of us you don't really need a lot of windows sales people you need a lot of azure sales people and and that's ultimately what this is is that microsoft is transitioning from a company that sold office suites and licenses uh to generate literally the rest of their entire business into something else and these are the kind of moves that wall street very much recognizes and likes to celebrate but you want to see microsoft make this move now when nothing is on fire but the tectonic plates are shifting as opposed to when things get really bad and maybe they should have made this move six months to a year ago there's a lot of rumbling out there about what microsoft thinks it should be uh and whether that vision is is carrying on through the company this is the kind of move that at least from the outside in an aggregate indicates that at least the executive level team believes they should be a cloud company yeah and considering where our entire society is going i don't know how that proposition misses yeah hmd global which makes phones under the nokia brand said thursday it has partnered with zeiss to develop lenses hardware's connections and image software for food uh yes do you remember when zeiss was partnered with nokia before nokia uh became a handset business that was sold off to microsoft and then became a network infrastructure research business that then got the right to sell handsets again and contracted about to hmd global and then hired zeiss lens again i'll tell you if you don't you should take a picture it'll last long it's a cool story isn't it uh no it really is fascinating to watch nokia sort of reassemble itself like like like a broken replicator from stargate or some such metaphor like it just pulling pieces of itself back together not exactly the same obviously hmd global making them now instead of nokia making them themselves but but they are hoping to recapture what had been left of their handset business which they didn't need to do they could have just been a network company and a research company uh and tried to make a go of it that way just fine yeah and instead here we go back to the future google launched a new app called blocks for the htc vive and oculus rift that lets users create 3d objects so imagine google's tilt brush where you paint in vr except for 3d app makes it easy to create simple polygonal objects and then export them into augmented reality or virtual reality apps if you want uh so it's fun for anybody to play around with this but it's especially useful for developers who just want a quick easy way to put together some objects they want to use in their apps so there were the the new uh fascination in in much of my tech twitter has been following these ar kit demos that are coming out from sure yeah yeah oh another measuring tape very impressive uh well i mean some of them have been very impressive i'm kidding i'm kidding they are very impressive uh including one in which uh there was this magical portal in which you stepped through into an animated world and you look at a tool like this where the idea is hey when you're in a virtual world you will know what is super cool to build as you interact with it so make it in a vive make it in a rift be able to export these modules that you can use for ar and vr and to me this is always google at its best nobody does the tools like google sometimes the final forms can uh you know be either trying to please many masters or not quite uh to where where other companies can get but nobody makes the tools to to fuel everything like google does yeah and this is uh this is interesting because no daydream version of this this is htc vive and oculus rift doesn't mean it won't come to daydream but this is google saying where are the developers who can make the best use of this kind of tool let's make it for them and get them to use our development because the more we get them in the tent uh the more we can get them to use our other tools and and this is this is the brilliance of cross platform this is this is why google's other efforts have worked in the past the verge has sources that say that facebook is working on a group video chat app called bonfire that looks similar to the app house party the creators of merecat make house party and as of november of last year it had 1.2 million users so merecat gets crushed by periscope which then fights for its life against facebook live the merecat guys run into a corner create house party get themselves a nice tidy sum of 1.2 million users and then like the eye of sauron facebook notices and starts honing in to destroy them exactly that little tap on their door was the ever-growing straw of facebook as it sought to drink their milkshake uh is it is it almost you know uh just even uh malignant by facebook to call it bonfire like they are lighting your house on fire i wonder i uh i did wonder about that i'm not gonna lie uh it is the right thing for facebook to do as a business though whenever they see something that has a social aspect that gets people together together because if you're not familiar with house party you're probably not a teenager uh it's it's a way for people to do group chats where you don't you don't have to get a formal invite you just hang out you see that people are hanging out on house party and you can pop in and hang out and see what's going on and facebook says ah group activity social networking uh video app that's our house our house that is our sandwich that is our milkshake and we are not going to let anyone else come and eat and or drink it the only thing that is interesting here is you almost wonder whether or not this is facebook just in you know uh let's let's pull out a couple engineers let's see what they can do with it or is it go to house party hey we'll buy you for $15 in a ham sandwich no that's insulting all right cool uh let's peel off those five engineers yeah i and don't forget facebook tried several times to create a snapchat clone and it didn't work until they finally started putting the features into instagram and facebook messenger now they they haven't ruined snapchat but those but once they started doing that people said okay this will work so this may just be the first step towards this kind of feature showing up in instagram or facebook messenger yeah because facebook will always try they will not always win yeah so good news for house party there's a there's a fair chance that bonfire just will not catch up with their user base you might say it could just be a bonfire of the vanities it could indeed researchers at stanford and mit have built a prototype chip made of sheets of 2d graphing formed into nano cylinders with resistive ram a k a r ram layered over it so graphing nano technology carbon nanotubes you've got so many good buzzwords in here and it's real it's 3d nano electronic system combined processor ram and sensors into one chip they were able to do a demonstration where they could have a sensor detect gas and immediately process it and store the data all in a single chip now they don't use silicon as i said they use carbon using silicon would not allow the kind of interleaving of the memory and processing so the big deal here is they're able to put the memory and the processor with right next to each other on the chip which gets rid of a lot of lag really helps the bandwidth and at the high temperatures required for silicon once you laid down a silicon layer and tried to lay another silicon layer over it the high temperature of the second layer would damage the bottom layer but that doesn't happen with carbon because you can do it at lower temperatures anyway the result of all of this if you're like i'm already confused denser faster more power efficient chips replacement for d ram replacement for processors and it's semos compatible that means fabrication and design can happen on existing infrastructure built for silicon that's a big deal because a lot of these processor innovations get hung up on the cost of having to retool your fab so fabrication can happen right on the existing machine it's much more likely to get taken up however at this point there's no commercialization yet it's still in the lab but if it when it is commercialized this is something that can continue to it is it is kind of the breakthrough that we want because there's there's been a lot of talk about the idea of of course law slowing down right yes uh constantly for the past 20 years but but i think at an even higher level lately saying nah we've really reached max processor speed well what this does is say great doesn't matter if your processor speed doesn't increase if you can reduce the latency if you can increase the efficiency suddenly that same processor can do a lot more because it doesn't have to work as hard it's right next to the ram the ram is right there in the building with it it's not down the street anymore i like it hey folks if you want to get all the tech headlines each day in about five minutes subscribe to daily tech headlines.com it's a podcast it's an amazon echo flash briefing it's an anchor dot fm show it's the iphone are you getting no it's nice but it is available in three ways it's a revolutionary internet that's right uh go check it out daily tech headlines dot com. wall street journal reports amazon's jeff bezos and dishes charlie urgren have become best friends that alone would be worth the wall street journal article but apparently uh as they have formed this this manlove they have been discussing partnership to enter the wireless business now the sources are telling wall street journal that the two have discussed two things an internet of things network powered by dish and connectivity plans sold through amazon prime uh it's hard to tell from the sources whether those are connected but it seems like they might be acquisition of dishes considered highly unlikely so you can get that out of your head right now it doesn't look like a dish wants to sell to amazon or amazon wants to buy it but this is not the first time that we've heard amazon and dish rumored to be in talks this happened back in may as well and one of the reasons we've heard talks of dish may be wanting to partner up with comcast partner up with spectrum dish has a bunch of spectrum speaking of spectrum that it has to use by 2020 or it face losing losing some rights to it so it's really valuable stuff they don't have the money to get the ball rolling that's why they need a partner so justin yeah i have a theory of what is going on and why dish and amazon keep coming back why bezos and urgren are are becoming so good to friends these days yeah fafs yeah what's up i think amazon wants to start offering more internet of things devices i considering amazon echo line to be kind of an internet of things device but they want to do more of that they want to have amazon branded cameras door locks sensors all that stuff and what they're talking to dish about is hey could we build your network's internet of things connectivity into our devices and if you're an amazon prime subscriber you don't pay anything for it buy a device from amazon connects to the internet for free you know and gots to do nothing amazon sees that as worth funding dishes rollout and then dish has the network that they have a built-in client for and maybe they can rent it out to other people as well so the benefit in your crazy scheme would be ease of setup right because because right now you are connecting it to your wi-fi so this not only allows you to not go through whatever app program that you would need to do to set up you know your your new iot doorknocker to your wi-fi as well as not making it dependent on your wi-fi staying up or you unplugging it and now all of a sudden your doorknocker doesn't work and also you you're able to go through your entire house no matter what the the stretch of your wireless connection is that you already have in your house and maybe it opens up some internet of things devices that are harder to pull off these days because they would need to be portable so iot devices for the car or for travel or for the airport or who knows what but they don't have to be tethered to your wi-fi network you can take them wherever you need to is this the kind of breakthrough that has held down iot devices since we have uh has begun talking about them either as a key curiosity or as the the final parody of all silicon valley innovation at any cost no matter how small i think it may be one of them and i don't i don't even know if it's the most important one i think a lot of it just has to do with people saying my door locks just fine why do i need a connected door lock that hell out of my door man yeah every day rain or shine it's locking it so proving the advantage to these things and making them easy is part of it so making them easy doesn't just rely on connectivity it relies on interface and can you talk to it instead of you know and instead of having to go into an app and pair it and all that stuff amazon voice services making it possible for you to talk to it if they had connectivity built in suddenly it's like hey all you got to do is turn it on now you get a lot more people interested this also if this is true gives i think that for the first time a a real leg up to a line of iot devices just in in general because of what the echo has done to become the central hub by being open and not necessarily being tied to anything you can set up your your echo with pretty much anything else that you have that is internet connectable as long as you're putting it on the same wi-fi network and meanwhile if it can connect easily with this device that most people who uh in this demo are already buying and you don't have to end the setup is even easier because you're not worrying about connecting it to any wi-fi this could be a big thing and also for dish like you said dish is running out of time on stuff like this and who knows uh how long these kinds of talks have have happened and maybe it's just hey we got to get rolling on this because uh either either this starts cooking now or we're running out of time to really set up and properly launch something that uh that that can use the spectrum now again this is just my crazy idea this is not what the wall street journal sources are saying but if it was going to be amazon selling internet of things devices that connect to the dish network whether it's for free or not uh it could help security because one of the problems with internet of things security is the manufacturer is just not implementing it which amazon hopefully would be smart enough to fix but the other thing is it's it's got security on the device but it's on a wi-fi network that isn't properly secured because guess what not every person who lives in a house is also a sysadmin uh and if they has the internet connection built in then that gives amazon the ability to lock it down and say look it's not going to be on your wi-fi network so don't worry about that part of the equation so here's the other thought right now amazon prime is $99 it was hiked up from 79 in two in 2014 if it came like how much do they have to load up the uh uh the the benefits of being a prime member to get that to a buck 20 or or or to get that higher than it is not to say that that they would right i think yeah they like that price point of $99 staying away from triple digits is probably the best possible thing but but but but but but but let's say amazon wanted to get it to 110 because because at that scale that is a tremendous hike for them i don't know if they are far away if you plug in uh you know benefits of whole foods or benefits uh uh you know beyond what they're building their portfolio for uh this this is a really really fascinating business model for them where they have always had this idea of just give us money will make it worth it and we will always keep making it more and more and more worth it for when you know by the time that we hike the the number you'll be like yeah you want to know what i was always i was already getting it up out of it and now i'm getting it i i think amazon may look at it a different way though amazon may look at it as what's the number that maximizes people getting our service and what are the services that we provide that make them spend money elsewhere right so adding the internet of things service were they to do that yeah my guess would be it would be a play to get people to buy the devices and that's where they make the money and then the devices probably will have some as the amazon echoes do way to make it easier to buy things from amazon uh including groceries that get shipped to you you know a connected fridge right that automatically orders from whole foods to have a the eggs delivered when it sees that the eggs are out that kind of thing nobody likes to buy a Ferrari and then lose the Ferrari to drive the Civic again right if amazon can get you to live that iot lifestyle where all you gotta do is walk in like Star Trek and start parking at your lights to turn on at the certain kind of hues and it always works and it's always fast and it's always snappy and the way that it is always all those things is because you pay whatever you pay in prime man that is one big psychological every single day you use it reason to stay inside their ecosystem yeah no that is very well put uh that is that is very true uh my my weekly column on patreon which goes out to the folks at the the five dollar a month level uh is about the fact that i i discovered recently that i'm living in a smart home and i didn't mean to it's by accident i just sort of i just sort of looked around i was like huh so i have smart light bulbs and i have a couple amazon echoes that i can talk to and they do things like turn the tv on and off and i have an s cam to spy on the dogs and holy crap my home is almost automated i i don't have every piece covered but this is the way it's going to happen is and you know amazon is just going to sell you a few things and there's a few other things and then before you know it suddenly everything's automated and you're just talking to your pal al about everything you want to do yeah uh this is interesting and also two companies that i think are always prone to thinking a little bit outside the box in addition to amazon so i'm excited to see where they go well thanks everybody who participates in our subreddit that's how we get a lot of these great ideas about what to talk about go in there and vote on the stories at daily tech news show dot reddit dot com uh rob from damascus maryland has a differing take on the amazon echo and it's not one that i disagree with rob says today listen to your discussion of the echo and wanted to point out that over time it has become a bit less discerning in its interpretation of my instructions i've had one since the beta days and i have many in my house i'm a huge fan even though outside of shopping i tend to spend more time in the google ecosystem i believe that as they've added features i read that there are now 15 000 skills available they're crowding the headspace inside lx persons cognitive functions and with so many possible outcomes a misinterpretation is more likely it's frustrating that while i could once just say play w am you the local npr station it now has to be play w am you from tune in or risk getting some random i heart radio station instead i keep providing feedback but i don't see it getting better i still may give the new video product a go though the ones to tell you you've dressed like a fool is a bit much in my opinion and i'm right there with you rob uh play bbc world service used to work fine then i had to start saying play bbc news world service then suddenly that just stopped working and i had to go launch it from the app and then this week it's back to working again by just saying world service so i don't know what's going on there yeah you know uh amazon is a fascinating company when it comes to hardware uh uh there's enough that just works on the the echo that i think it will always kind of retain its core popularity but i do believe that it has hampered itself in terms of being more than what people use it kind of right out of the box because its ui is so slippery as to the other devices you know i think the amazon look or the the the echo look as well as the uh the home with the little uh with the little screen are both very emblematic of amazon's hardware strategy it's something popular let's come out with a billion different versions of it we'll throw them all at the wall we know that we can probably sell it up that we're not going to take a bath on if it uh if it if it does really really poorly we know we can push it about as far as it can humanly be pushed uh by our algorithms uh but we're not going to cry over spilled milk if nobody talks about these things again and they are just savaged by the reviews for which both of them have had a pretty thorough beating speaking of their their video and their look versions of echo so uh but but at the same time you know they don't cry they don't uh linger on it and try to pretend that it's a gigantic success they move on to the next day yeah and and it's early days uh we've heard about alibaba making a smart speaker we heard about samsung making a smart speaker with big speed obviously apple's got the home pod coming uh we're just we're just heating up with all of this smart speaker stuff google home is better than the echo at a lot of things uh its voice recognition is is superior uh some of its assistant functions are way better than the skills marketplace but then again friend of mine emailed today i was like why can't i make a call from my from my google home device when is that coming uh and i said you know i haven't heard either so it's we we aren't yet to the point where we can really compare apples and oranges here uh about all these things but this is the year of the smart speaker it may not be the only the year of the smart speaker but this is definitely the smart speaker is coming into its own right now it's having its time in the sun and we will find out whether or not it is uh you know i think many are hoping that it is a a a phone or a tablet market although this doesn't seem like the kind of thing that you would want to swap out every year uh but at the same time we will uh we will see exactly where it goes well thank you just and robert young as always uh what do you have going on with your anchor news game uh well uh 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but but but oops tom automated again bonfire of the anity is at the top still yeah is that your favorite uh hey i like it what is the what is the place we do the show titles and i'm blank show about a tv show jesus christ go away for one little weekend oh i have to ask you a question uh immediately after off the air justin you got it you were discretion advised your discretion not allowed uh all right guys i'm going to be i'm going to be right back be right back you don't have a title thought do you uh i i like uh i like bonfire of the anity all right uh i will be i will be right back by popular acclaim bonfire of the anity will be our headline and so my friends i bring the show to a close thank you all right there we go bonfire the anity it is i'm exporting now woohoo tv z gone says that patrick and his scarf are going to be in valerian in the city of a thousand planets what he did not tell me this let me see oh i get it i get it i get it wait what attack you have to click on the link from tv z gone that's pretty good uh dark redeemer has a hat trick on titles this week nice possible to get all five because we only had four shows or we will only have had four shows copy this copy that and to patient been roger yeah i'm really excited about uh um dan paterson if you want to brush up ahead of time for his appearance he's got a tech republic article called ukraine is a test bed for global cyber attacks that will target major infrastructure and he actually went to kiev and and researched the stories he's going to tell us a little more about it and you can read all about it at tech republic dot com we good wow he's even got some serilic in his article i'm impressed you still read it tom i can although i close the page hold on i went to an ad let me see um but uh where is that where is that part this piece something pod go road no where is it where is it where is it now i can't find it oh well no it's in here somewhere it's a good article though if you read it you'll find it then you can send me a screencap sorry about that that's all right i'm trying to find some serilic in dan paterson's article that we're doing for tomorrow's show well really and now i can't find it i swear i just saw it no not james paterson i'm james paterson buy my book that'd be pretty good buy my book watch this tv show based on one of his novels i was very disappointed were you a fan of the book no i didn't actually never read the book i try to avoid books with his name on it i'm sure some of them are good but yeah i remember when they made fun of them or at least kind of rift on them on snl when they had um now pochino uh robert de niro as like an author said buy up my books and they had they listed like 20 some odd books in the whole the whole like tv ad is funny yeah you know uh i kind of have a a lot of respect oh yeah a huge amount of respect for him i mean no no no i have respect for him i like if i see his name i won't read it roger's respect has limits apparently i mean yeah i mean i can't name a book that i have read right uh but that dude has had like 60 something number one best sellers like uh and and he's got his own little uh uh you know that he is a successful guy and he's earned his success i'm not disagreeing with that i'm just saying i don't read his book yeah no i'm agreeing with you i mean i don't either i think i may have read one once but i mean i guess like that's the thing is that i think it is almost dismissive to say like yeah he's a talented author because uh i mean i don't know i ain't never read his book so i wouldn't be able to say but uh i you can't argue with like his his success even if it's you know understood to be he comes up with a story somebody else writes the book they both put their name on the book but is bigger uh has has led to just i mean who else has 60 something number one best sellers right you want to write a book when i worked at when i worked at the used bookstore you had three categories for most books you'd pay uh 10 percent 15 percent or 20 percent of what we were going to sell it for based on how fast you thought it was going to sell now if something was a brand new hotbed seller like bridges of madison county was when it first came out uh then you might pay above 20 percent and if something was just never going to sell you would pay anything but but that was the main categories were were 10 15 20 james patterson was a solid 20 every time every book every time well you know what i think he realized and and i think he was ahead of his time on it which is his readers read faster than it is understood by publishers or authors to create books it's looked at as as unseemly or at least it has been in the past as unseemly to come out with more than x amount of books a year right and yet people who are your biggest fans uh you know burn through these these especially these thrillers they just rip through them act like you know a book every day and a half kind of yeah yeah yeah right no he's because because it was it was you know there was literature and there was pulp fiction and then philip k dick and and and a bunch of mystery writers and science fiction writers even asimov came out of the pulp fiction world and people are like hey what they write is actually really good yeah and and and and that kind of opened the door for people like james patterson to be like yeah i can i can write really fast and still not be thought of as pulp fiction yeah you know uh one of my favorite stories that james randy ever told me him it was about as a guy's mom uh isaac asimov they said that yeah it was the way one of those it's i i saw it on anchor news so anchor news right yeah it's fine um he uh you know calls asimov hang out or something right they're both okay and uh it's pretty baller right there but yeah all right yeah no well they were they were friends and uh there's i'd say what man i really wish if there's one do-over i could have in my life it would be to do the james randy podcast again because i did one with him and like i was so wet behind the years i did no research it was literally just the idea of like just get all these james randy stories on tape because he's got a million stories about everybody right and he's such a great storyteller uh anywho so asimov calls asimov and he assumes asimov is somewhere uh which was more in fashion at the time near a uh like like a ticker tape or something because he just hears this like snapping in the background asking him hey man what do you want to do you want to go to lunch he's like yeah you know i don't know what i'm feeling i mean maybe uh maybe we'll go down to get a sandwich he's like oh you know that we got into the deli though i got a good meatloaf and so he's having this conversation with him average run-of-the-mill conversation but uh just back and forth and he keeps hearing this kind of tapping he's like isaac what are you doing it's like oh i'm writing it's like what do you mean you're writing it's like oh you're talking to me on the phone like making lunch plans and writing at the same time like you didn't stop he's like no no why would i it's like oh my god just that yeah um that's what's happened when you hear me making noise when justin and i talk at his twitch stream i'm totally writing asimov level fiction that's exactly what's going on exactly yeah a man who has defined fiction my god that's just bang bang and stuff out i mean you look at the prolific nature of him and ultimately that's that's really what uh the the problem with that kind of uh output is that it violates this narrative that all novels are works of art that need you mean they're crafted slowly lifetimes to hone yeah well isn't that the whole isn't that the whole kind of uh mystique behind small batch handcrafted whatever like it's that it's not mass produced it's not it's not i wouldn't say thoughtlessly but it's kind of almost a careless abandoned to shove it out no it's thoughtfully you know you know looked over and you know someone's very pensive about like writing a chapter you know you gotta these good things take time i mean right isn't the whole thing and in all of those it's not to say that taking time doesn't make something better because it often does but i think it's to say that taking time isn't the definitive factor in whether something's good or not well i mean it depends on who's writing it right exactly would you go up to isaac as mom and say no this is not ready for another to eight marks you did that too fast isaac go back to your room and work on it for another six years come up with some new laws for these robots you have here i know i know come on what is it three we can at least get up to five there's slack in here yeah no it's true i i mean if your isaac has a lot of and you write something good then it's good doesn't matter how long it took if however you're putting out crap uh then maybe you should take more time and care maybe that'll help but also on the other end of the spectrum just taking a long time to do something doesn't make it good either oh how many of these ponderous urban fantasy world building you know uh side winding nonsense novels do you have to read be like all right well maybe you just maybe you spent maybe this world's a little too built maybe we didn't need every little uh every little dips and doodle on the end of it yeah yeah so i think i think there's a tendency for cramming too much people want to sell to the brim when it's not always necessary i mean it's it's i mean it's it's one of those things yeah like oh no i'm sorry i was about to say like um who's that techno throughout tom clancy right like he came he he's he he's always i mean he i should used to come because it passed away uh from a very like i want a very detailed like you know you know the opera works on hunt hunt for the red october it's you know very detailed understanding of the ship or the submarine that you're in because that's part of the allure the attraction of those books is to kind of feel that you know world that he's he's created for other things i mean it depends if you're talking about a or if you're writing a book about a struggle of you know a son trying to come out from underneath the shadow of an overbearing father you don't necessarily need to have every detail of the small town he grew up in or maybe you do i mean it's it's it's it's really context i think yeah douglas adams made fun of american authors for for all of that the details of how they made their breakfast and yeah yeah well gentlemen uh we are published we are out there on the internet so thank you all for joining us for being with us take care of each other and we'll see you tomorrow see you tomorrow