 Okay, we are recording. Okay, I call this meeting to order the meeting of the Board of Assessors October 13, 2022. And first these preliminary remarks pursuant to the chapter 20 of the acts of 2021. In Massachusetts this meeting will be conducted by remote means members of the public who wish to access the meeting may do so by zoom or by telephone. Or through www.amherstma.gov. No in person attendance of members of the public will be permitted but every effort will be made to ensure that the public can adequately access the proceedings in real time by technological means. And I also want to point out that it's my understanding that this meeting, the tape, the recording of this meeting will be posted on Amherst, Massachusetts is YouTube channel. I call the meeting to order. Okay, and with that being said, as we know the town is recording this meeting. If anyone else is doing so at this time, please notify me now. And hearing none. We will move on. I don't believe there are any members of the public present so we will move on from public participation to approve the minutes from 922 and let me share my screen with you. Ken, have you had a chance to look at the minutes. No. Okay. You want to take a quick scan of the minutes please Ken, can you do that. Here we go. Well, that's not what I wanted to share with you there you go. Can you see that document. If you can enlarge it. I can. Whoops. Is that okay. No. That's today's agenda. Nope. This is, oh, so, oh, you're seeing the wrong screen. Sorry about that. Let me do that. Can you see that. Not yet. Okay, let me stop sharing. I'm not sure what happened there. But it was just sorry about that. It's just too small. Sorry about that. That's better. Okay. Sorry about that. All right. So these are the minutes from the 22nd. I can just briefly go through them for you Ken. So we called the meeting to order at 931. We were all present. Our statements were made about being recorded and being remote. We went over the minutes from the 16th of June and the 18th of August. We went over the minutes from the 18th of August. We went over the minutes from the 18th of August. And then we talked about the amendments on the August 18th. Minutes. We went over excise abatements and those were approved as well. And then we talked about under the principal assessor update. We talked about preliminary values being submitted. Waiting for the okay to post our values on the website for our presentation. And then we went over the minutes from the 16th of August. We went over our classification hearing. We discussed that chapter applications are due or were due on the 1st of October. And then we scheduled our meeting for today. With a closing session going into executive session. Excuse me at 1014. And then we did not come back into a public session after the executive session. I moved to approve the minutes of that September meeting. Okay. Okay. Okay. All righty. So we will move along to excise abatements. So you will see here that there were two abatements for the week of 912 through. Well, two days, 912 and 913. For a calendar year 2022. In the amount of $1,193 and 11 cents. Okay. Okay. And then. Moving. Do we want to do them all at once? Or do you want to do them? We can do them all at once. If that's okay with you guys. Okay. So then we have September 19th through the 30th. We have one single abatement for calendar year 2021. In the amount of $68 and 40 cents. And then we have 19 abatements for calendar year 2022. And then we have October 3rd through the 7th. There are six abatements for the calendar year of 2022. Totaling $7,762. And 94 cents. And that is it for excise. So again, the amounts are 7,006. I'm sorry, 7,002 dollars and 94 cents. Total amount for this week was 1,308 dollars and 78 cents. And then 1,193 dollars and 11 cents. Okay. I moved to approve those three sets of weekly abatements. Second. All those in favor, please say aye. Aye. Excellent. Quickly moving on then we have a commitment from the registry of motor vehicles for calendar year 2020. So that just means that this bill for some reason. Likely went to another community. And when the person received the bill. For some reason, it took them a while to respond and let that community know that. They actually lived here in Amherst. So we have received that bill. In the amount of $54 and 98 cents. So this page here just is for the collector's office. This page here is for the accounting office. They do see one. Amendment here. I'd like to make Teresa. This as a supplemental real estate tax. So we just want to make sure to switch that over to motor vehicle. We can still vote on this. We can actually just. That's September. Correctly, please. Yes. September on the road. Yes. So we'll make those two corrections on this. Again, it is $54 and 98 cents for one single excess tax bill. You will see here, the valuation of the vehicle was 2,199 totaling 54. 98. Okay. So that. So essentially how many signatures is that? For us. Will we be signing three different documents there if we were live? If we were. Yes. Okay. So I moved to approve our signatures on those documents. Second. All those in favor, please say aye. Aye. Okay. We'll move on. We've got one. Two more. So we have commitment number five that comes from the registry for calendar year 2022. So this picks up anyone that has. Registered their vehicles. I've gotten new vehicles. Since the last. Commitment that comes from the registry, which they usually come. About. Every three months. So this one was totaling $60,671. And 87 cents. Can we spell Jennifer LaFountain's name correctly, please? Yes. I'm having a good week, aren't I? That's all right. That's all right. So we'll get that corrected before we put any signatures on. Just testing you all. And again, we'll switch the supplemental real estate tax on the page to the accounting office as well and change the spelling of September. So again, the amount of $60,671. And 87 cents. This page again would go to the accounting office. First page to the collector. And here's the commitment that is coming right out of the billing system. You'll see there was a total of 489 bills, three of those being exempt. So the amount of $60,671. And 86 bills were actually committed and we expect to make, to receive payment on those in the amount of $60,671. And 87 cents. And that is reflected there. For the accounting office as well as up here again to the collector's office. So just curious what that bigger number was at the bottom. So the bigger number at the bottom was including the three. Excuse me, the three vehicles that were exempt. So you'll see here. There was three of them. And they would have been $30 and 72 cents. So they were likely older vehicles. That were for some reason registered at that point in the year. So that's why that's slightly different there because we're not expecting to collect payment on those. So we're not committing those bills for payment. So that's why I move to approve. I move to prove our signatures. On those documents. Second. All those in favor, please say aye. Aye. Okay. And then lastly, we have another commitment for calendar year 2022. And this is one bill again, probably sent to us from another community. It probably had the wrong address on it or something to that nature. In the amount of $12 and 50 cents again here to the. Collector's office. You will see that reflected again here. And again, we'll fix the supplemental real estate and the September spelling. $12 and 50 cents here to the accounting office. As well as the page out of the billing system. It's showing it's actually two bills. For a total valuation of $500 total excise tax of $12 and 50 cents. Are those cars. They probably are, I would guess trailers. It's possible that they're like extremely old cars, but with the way the registry has changed their system, my guess is they're probably trailers. Okay. Okay. I move to approve. I move to approve our signatures on those documents. Second. All those in favor, please say aye. Aye. Okay. And before we move on again, I just want to remind you all that those documents will be adjusted to spelling and the supplemental. Tax will be switched over to excise commitments. Okay. Okay. That's okay. I'll just add to that. We're not going to be doing any damage to the car. I'm going to go to the forest agricultural chapter land lean. So this parcel here. Has been sold. This is located on Henry street. It's a parcel of land. Currently, there's no buildings on it. But there, it has been. Classified as chapter in the past. removing this lien because the new owner is actually changing the amount of acres that's going to be in chapter, as well as the actual use on the property. So first, first lien here is to remove the chapter lands lien for the parcel located on Henry Street. It is map six C lot 284. So we just ask here that we have a vote to be able to do that. And then Richard to please come into the office to sign this one as well as a few others. You know what, do you know what address that is close to. It is. Can tell you really quickly it's North Amherst, right. Yeah, it's right. We're the, we're the power lines across the road. There's a there's a house that's set back almost like behind the power lines it's right next to that if you're headed towards Cushman store it's going to be on your right. Okay. Just to know we need to have everybody sign this. I'm sorry yes. Yes, we can have everyone sign this. So everyone's got to come in physically to sign. Yes. Okay. I'll be back the end of next week. Okay, that should be fine. I just get a vote if you all agree to remove this 16.3931 acres from chapter. So moved. Second, all those in favor please say aye. Hi. Okay, okay then moving along you will see the first lean here is for the same parcel it's actually including another parcel as well. The new owner of this, excuse me I have a book in my face. The owner of this property is Alexander Alexander Nefer. So his intention for the property is to put 16 acres of the 18 into chapter 61 a on parcel map, six C lot to 84, as well as two acres of the six, excuse me of the three on six C lot nine. So both of these parcels are contiguous and they will both be a portion of one will be farmed and a good portion of the other will be farmed. So this is a new lean. Just giving the town the first rate of refusal and so again we're looking just for a signature on this one from all of you, and the approval to record. Second, all those in favor please say aye. So, just a question on the net effect of what is happening here is expanding the 61 a. So he, he is expanding the 61 a. Also something that has to happen just because he's a new owner of the property so we have to record the lean anyway, but it just so happens that yes he he does want to expand a little bit because this parcel six C nine was previously not in chapter. Okay. So he's going to put two acres of that in, in the, in chapter. It actually works out to be just over an acre that he's adding because if you see before, he had just over 16 acres on the first parcel, whereas now he's just putting exactly 16. So it's, it's not a huge change in those two parcels. So, so these parcels have their own frontage on Henry street. That's correct. Yes. Right now I think it's mostly just the wooded section between the two houses again if you're headed into Cushman from Amherst, it'll be on your right hand side I believe it's just the wooded area there that's the frontage on both of those parcels. All right, and moving along we have another sale. So we have a another lean to be changed from the owner's name so we have property on Market Hill consisting of 4.5 acres it's map 3D parcel 81. So again, they're looking to just put this whole piece of property. In chapter. So just looking again for a signature to be able to record the lean. Is it there a minimum size. Yes, so there is it's a minimum of five I believe the next lean is the same people, and it is a point five acre lot. So they will be contiguous to to create the five total acres minimum. So this could never be released one at a time then. Right because if they were, if, if they decided to not farm this piece for example the three map 3D parcel 89. The other parcel would no longer qualify and vice versa. So both of these have to go hand in hand to be able to to be a part of chapter 61 a I would like to vote on them together that would be fine as well because they they go hand in hand. All right. I saw move move that we that we we consider them together and to get to the minimum. So, so moved to set second. All those in favor please say aye. Aye. I remember that there was a minimum. No, I didn't. Thank you. Okay, okay, I feel better about that. I didn't know what it was, but I thought there was. Yes. Good memory. My course was a while ago so that's my. So this here is a document that comes from DCR as you can see this is a forest management plan that has been written up for Helen parent. This is a property that has been in chapter 61 for many, many years. There's a total of 46.9 acres of land on this particular parcel about 41.6 of them is to be classified as 61. So this is just a renewal of this chapter 61 plan. You'll see that there's a trustee Tom Thomas parent has signed on this document. The state forester has signed on the document and you will see here. This shows the timeframe of this particular plan. So it'll go from January of 2023 to December of 2032, believe it or not. So basically what we're still alive. Is she still. I believe so I'm not 100% sure but I was pairing the son and how and parent the mother or. Yes. Yes. So what we're looking for here is just a signature by Richard but a vote on from the board and what we do is we need a in person signature. We have three copies of this form, we keep one. We give the other two back to the owners they keep one and they give one to their forester to put in their file so again just a quick vote on this one and a signature from Richard. So this is an extension so the other one ran out or runs out then. Yes, so every 10 years when you have a forest management plan every 10 years the forester will come out to your property and redo the forest management plan. This could be for a number of reasons this could be that you it's time to actually cut trees. This could be that you've had some serious damage to the property and it could go a number of ways it could be like okay this can't be in chapter anymore it could be that this needs more than 10 years to be cut. It could be that now we're not cutting this parcel because we're leaving it to create carbon which is something that they're working towards in the state level. There are reasons why a 10 year cycle would need to be re updated. But basically that's what they're doing is the forester goes out and picks a walk around the property and looks at what's there and what's going on, and creates a plan for that particular piece of land. So, so regardless there's a 10 year cycle where it has to be renewed in chapter 61 with a plan yes. Yep, you can also have a forest management plan in chapter 61 a for example like with Christmas trees. You can work with a forester to do something of that nature. Same thing you would still have to re redo your plan every 10 years but you still have to file the application in the office every year for 61 a whereas with chapter 61 just forestry. You only have to file every 10 years. Refresh my memory 61 does the town have the right by this if they saw. Yes, yep, any chapter 61 61 a 61 B we all have the first right of refusal which is 120 days once we find out that the property will be going up on the market, and we have the ability to buy it at market price so what would happen is the an appraiser would go out and appraise the parcel and that's what the town would be able to purchase it at. So, so again with this one we're just looking for a vote to approve this plan that was created by the forester and record this name with a signature from Richard. So moved. Second, always in favor please say aye. Okay, and this is just a continuation of the plan I probably should have showed you that before the vote but again let's just break down the acres. So, it's a total of 46.9 excluded acres is 5.3 and the total classified acres is 41.6. And this just goes kind of into detail. As to what exactly is going to be happening on this part parcel so I'll go through it fairly quickly but just so because you guys have these documents if you want to read through them you're welcome to do that. So basically this is just going to explain this shows you the map of the parcel and kind of what's going on where. This one's a little bit more difficult to look at it's the topography. And again, more so these numbers have to actually line up with their lean on their chapters to that's. Yeah, yeah, so. Okay, so I am going to stop sharing my screen for now. And the next thing on the agenda for today is the discussion of the classification hearing so basically I just wanted to let you guys know we're doing it slightly different this year because of revaluation. So the intention was to actually have the classification hearing this coming Monday the 17th, which is not going to be able to happen. The reason being is, we would have to have posted 48 hours in advance in the newspaper that we are going to be having this hearing at this point, I don't know yet if our values will be set. And the reason is because when you have revaluation. You have to post your values online for one week. Once you get the approval from the DOR, so that people can look at their values and if they feel as though that something is incorrect on their record card such as square footage number of bathrooms number of kitchens style of home. Maybe it's the use code so maybe we haven't listed as a two family but it's actually a one family or vice versa. So if you have an error on your record card you have the ability to come in and dispute that with a hearing. So we have to post that for a week that weekends today at 430. So once we get that removed from the website, the DOR then has to approve our LA for so basically what they're doing is they're saying, yes, we agree with your values. We approve them to be submitted for final evaluation. Once we have that, then we can have the classification hearing. So with that being said because I don't know if that's going to happen today or tomorrow. We were a little uncomfortable with having the classification hearing be posted in the newspaper in fear that we didn't get our values approved which is what happened last year so I didn't want that to happen twice and to have people lose confidence in our office. So what we're going to do instead is have a presentation of the proposed hearing on the 17th, which is Monday, and then we will have the actual classification hearing on November 7. So it'll be a very, very brief re, you know a few slides from this presentation that I'm going to do on Monday, just saying you know this is our recommendation this is why please vote. So if you are so inclined to join either of those meetings, you are not required but please welcome to do that. Okay, well, I'm out of the country on the 7th of November but when the in the meeting the council meeting your presentation will occur. I was just speaking with Sean this morning about that and we'll have a better idea by the end of this weekend so I can let you guys all know that once the agenda is actually posted for the council meeting. Right now it's, we're assuming it's going to be earlier in the meeting so somewhere between like 630 and seven possibly. Absolutely they do the presentations like that in the beginning of the meeting. But I can give you a better idea once I have that. So I would, let's see. I'm trying to remember what I'm doing. I think I would be able to attend on the 17th. This is all going to be by zoom. Yes. Are you going to be in the room or are you. I don't think so I think it's all completely remote at this point. Okay, so we'll be welcome welcome as public. Yes. Okay, so we can just join but again yeah you don't have it's not required, but you know. So on the 7th, I think it would be good if one of us was at least one of us was there. Yeah, and that's again that's not required but but totally up to you guys if you want to do that and the 7th will be a very quick presentation, just kind of a reminder of what what was presented this past Monday. And then we'll be asking for the actual vote from council. I think the, the potential random discussion about residential tax, the residential exemption would come in. So I do plan to have a slight presentation during the classification package this Monday. Okay. But we're not going to go too too into detail because at this point in the game if they want to vote in the residential exemption for this year, there's just no chance of getting our tax bills out on time. So the recommendation would be if they feel so inclined to vote that through that they postpone it for fiscal year 2024. Okay, and I, and I just think it needs to be if. Well, I think Ken and I I think I have expressed this before that we, I think our principal assessor has been ready to do a sort of a tutorial on the residential tax exemption for some time now. And it hasn't gotten on the schedule. So it's, it's not us. And along the lines of classification hearing and things that need to the board needs to do, although I said, you know classification is not a requirement. We do have some requirements that that we need you guys for. I know. The signatures in gateway there were some issues with permission so I know Lee wasn't able to actually even see some of the forms that he needed to be able to sign so we will get that fixed and for future board members will make sure that all of that information is available to them. But there is forms that need to be filled out. So I think that the comptroller is recommending that if the page says board of assessors that the board of assessors actually signs it. I think just about every page says board of assessors with that being said, that's a requirement of two signatures, and then I will also be signing those things as well. So, although I'm not a member of the board. It's just two signatures on those things so just another reminder to please make sure your gateway is working that you know your passwords that you know how to get into gateway and then I will be emailing you hopefully. It won't be in such an urgency as this past time and you know we'll be able to get those things signed off. So can you tell us what is the zone of time in which we're supposed to. So it really kind of all depends because it depends on you know if you're in reveal it depends on how quickly you can get your things approved by the state how quickly get your things into the state. Other departments that need to put their information in there they need to be able to get that done so it's but it's really like the time frame I would say would be between October and December, where we need to be able to at least get into gateway and you know make sure that our that we're able to see all the screens that we need to see. And something that I think I would really love to work on for the board as well as just this office because we're going to be having some staffing changes is a timeline of things such as this that we would be able to refer to throughout the year saying you know, August we're slow and we say okay what is coming maybe I can jump ahead and go into gateway and make sure all my stuff is working. So something that I would like to you know come up with in the in the future. For all of us to sort of keep us in line. So let me so let me just make sure we doesn't just sit there. What what's what's where does the initiative for this have to come from us or you know me, this will come from me. So basically what's going to be happening is I'm going to be putting our data into the gateway system which is where we get our approval from the DOR. This allows them to be able to look at our data. And once I'm ready for you to sign on those particular documents, I will be reaching out via email probably I make may call you if it's an urgent request but I'd like to try to email you I'd like to try to give you some time to be able to sign these things. Occasionally there is some urgency, as is the other day, but we were able to get that situated and everything was worked out there. So, so we need to start the next time we need to. Well, I don't know, you're going to come up with a sort of a calendar that we can all have and post. Yeah. Yeah, I have a very vague calendar that I used to use in Greenfield but I'd like to, you know, specifically make that two for us and and add more things to it and also if there's things that you guys want me to add to it for to help you out. I think that would be great as well. Kim, did you discover why I wasn't able to get to the screen. Yes, you did not have permissions for some reason to be able to see the certification of the pre certification screens which I'm not sure why that was given because that would have been changed because I have missions before. Yeah, so I'm not sure if there was an update somewhere that just somehow knocked you out or what happened but but I was able to sign on your behalf. And so that worked out perfectly fine because Richard had signed as well so it worked out perfectly. So is this one of those rare instances with I'm actually more in order than the other two members. We're not going to go there. That is weird. So that's sort of segues into the guest Kim. Are you going to. Are you saying in the future you'll your signature will be on the form online. So my signature I like to sign the forms as the assessor anyway just saying yes I agree with my board and yes I put these values here. Whether or not my signature is required I like to do that just so that the ORC's that I you know I'm in a grand but there is. I think it's a place out. Is there a place online for you to sign. Yes, yeah it's the same place it's just a little checkbox on the bottom. And I think just about every form that we have said it be helpful if you sign first before you told us to go sign. We know we know where we know where to look then. Okay, I can do that. And if it's helpful, like I had sent those screenshots I'm happy to do that as well because I know this is something that only happens once a year so it's not easy to forget I mean it is easy to forget. You know when you don't do it that often and the system is a little confusing so I'm happy to do that as well if that's helpful. Is it also possible to send out that your presentation to you for Monday ahead of time does. Absolutely yep I'm meeting with Paul this afternoon and Sean. Okay, once that is done then I will absolutely send that to you and I'm going to put a note on my desk right now so that I don't forget. Thank you. I just want to say that as a member of the as one member of the board speaking for myself. The Council needs to be clear that we are ready to do a more leisurely tour through the residential exemption and the, you know the split rate stuff. You know, we're ready to be part of a sort of an education process for the Council. It leads up to this in a more in a more leisurely way, so that they're not feeling as though, you know, their, their discretion is being sort of circumvented if people in the board understand what I mean I mean essentially, they're going to be told that we they can't do the exemption that split rate this year because the bills won't go out on time but it seems to me that the principal assessor is ready to educate the Council about this stuff. If they can, if you can just get on the calendar. If they want us, if they want us to right, right, right, right. Right and the presentation was sent to like you guys know it was sent to Paul last year. And then I believe the Council President so they are aware that we have that and has had and have had it for quite some time so but I understand what you're saying as well. So, okay. So, segue into the assessor update the values once they're removed from the website today. We're just waiting for our final approval from the DOR. So I have a question. I have a question. Is there any way for you to know how many people have actually reviewed their card. I think that there's, I don't know how to do it but I think there is a way that if I spoke with Brianna or someone from the IT department they can track that through our website. So we don't actually know how many people saw the notice and then looked at their at their record at their records. No, we don't. However, Amherst does keep the records on our website at all times throughout the year. So that's also just another sort of people can go and look at it anytime and so if they know something's wrong. I hope that they would talk to me about it throughout the year, but this also gives them that extra time to be able to do that which in every in a in a non recertification year, they call them interim years. This timeframe doesn't exist so if you find that there's something wrong with your value you have to wait at this point to get it to go into the appeal period in January so this is just an extra sort of check. So I assume nobody contacted you as of right now nobody has contacted me they do have until 430 today. And if that happens then I have to schedule a hearing with them hearing is very simple it's just them coming in and explaining to me what's wrong. Me looking at the record card potentially going out and doing an inspection of the parcel. So that again could hold up our classification hearing from Monday night as well so that's why we're doing it the way we're doing it this year. With that being said if we don't get anybody at as of 430 today, then our values would be sent over to Sandra bruzzo who is the final say at the DOR and she would then review our values and approve them hopefully without any changes. In your in your work with a prior community with another community. Did you have people who contacted you in that in that process elsewhere. So, um, my very first year working for the town of Greenfield was a revalue year, I believe, and I don't really know what was going on at that point, because it was really in the assessor's hands, as I was still learning what I was doing. And so that I don't know. Last year was a revaluation year and unfortunately it was. I was only there for a portion of it, because I came here so I can't really respond to that. I don't think it has happened that often. I feel like our records here in Amherst are pretty accurate to what is actually out there with the exception of course of those that are under construction, which, you know, once they're completed then I think, you know, and I'm not saying that they're not accurate but obviously, you know, if I go out and say tomorrow it's going to be different so that's what I mean in regards to construction properties but you know I think our records are very accurate here so I am not surprised that we haven't had anybody. Again, once 430 hits today if we've had no appeals, then we'd just be waiting for Sandra to approve our LA for which is our values. Once we get that approval we can officially post the classification hearing, which hopefully will be for November 7. And again that will just be sort of a reiteration of Monday's presentation. Aside from that, I think I've mentioned that the chapter land applications were due on October 1. So that date has passed so we will be sending out reminder notices to any that have not responded. Although that's not a requirement I do like to do that especially for the farmers because right now they're busy. They're trying to clean up for the for the winter months they're trying to you know grab their last crops before they get ruined by the frost or anything like that so you know I know it's a busy time of year and again having to do something once a year it's easily forgotten. So, we do send out those reminders to all members of any type of chapter 61 61 a or 61 b. What what we've been working on in the office to is, you know collecting all of those applications aside from many others. And doing a little cleanup in the office on I don't know, you can't really see behind me but a little bit has changed it's, there's a little less things there. You know we've been going through paperwork we're going to be looking at our retention schedule and seeing what we can get rid of that we no longer have to keep anymore. So that's been taking up quite a bit of time. Personal exemptions are still coming in pretty heavily, but we did send out a reminder to those who have not yet applied this year that applied last year. Just to try to get them in before the tax bills actually get mailed because it's just nice to be able to apply those to the tax bills right away rather than have them respond. That's a little later date saying I got my tax bill but I didn't get my exemption. And I think that's really like the, you know the majority of what's what we've been doing, I just, I just went to a conference the other day about how to get ready for setting your tax rate and all of that. So that was pretty helpful. But otherwise I think that's the majority of what's been going on here in the office. He talked about some staff changes coming. Yes, so Teresa will be retiring. So we'll be getting a new person coming into the office whether it be, you know, someone new just to Amherst or someone new altogether to the assessor's office or someone new inside of the town moving over you know I don't know what what that will bring but so we've actually also been working on how to booklets. So just cheat sheets on how to do all of the things that we do every day. And again you know depending on the person that comes in those are going to be extremely helpful because if it's someone coming from another town we just may do something slightly different we may have a different system than them. So it's just just helpful to have those if it's someone brand new to the assessing world altogether. It's great to have those when you don't have a clue what you're doing, because then you have those to back up your work and to be able to say yeah I did it right. I looked at the direction so just a nice thing to have. What's your current staffing right now. And so it's myself and Teresa full time and then we have Steven which is part time. And what do you think you'll post the new job. It's a little up in the air still but it should be some time in the beginning of next calendar year. So we're not, we're not necessarily getting an overlap for Teresa would actually. We will get an overlap of maybe a month or so depending on how fast the application process goes how fast you know if we get anybody that applies. You know if we get any internals things like that really it kind of depends on on what the outcome will be, but we definitely will get at least a month of overlap. But those how two books are nice to have anyway even if you've been here forever because sometimes I have to refer back to them with those processes that you do once a year like I have one for inputting the tax bills into the billing system because I do it twice a year and it's different for preliminary versus finals finals has a lot more steps. So it's nice to just refer back to that and have the screenshots of exactly where you need to go. So it's sort of mindless to do which is nice. So is that something new for the office. I think there's been. Well, it sounds like there's been a few of them done in the past for more complicated things. I think, like for example the inputting of the text bills and the the excise tax bills I think that there have been those around but we're sort of digging deeper into that and saying you know even daily processes which hasn't probably happened in a long time and David has been here for a while and David was here for a while and so I think those are sort of newer to the to the booklet. So are you have you submitted your budget request for next year. Not yet. Not yet. Not yet and actually let's let's make note to put that on the agenda for the next meeting to because if we have any questions concerns. I mentioned to you guys a few things that I might need to add to the budget. But let's put that on the agenda for next time. Next meeting. Okay. All right so it looks like we would be looking to to schedule a meeting for November. Now Richard you said you're not going to be here so what I'm not back until. Well, practically speaking 11. Okay, so we could do the 17th. The 24th is a holiday so if we can't do the 17th then I would recommend that we do a different day of the week just for the month of November. The 24th is like skimming. Yeah so we're not going to do we won't do that. I'm not here that we just you know I'm not here the week of the 17th. I would say we should we should either do it the 17th or I would recommend that we do it on a different day. Just so that we can have a meeting in the month of November I think it's important especially with classification. Being the seventh. But I but you know, if we can't make the 17th work then it's, I think it's completely okay to do a different day of the week, just for the month of November. November 17 but others. I'm okay I'm okay on the 17. Okay, it's fine with me. And you're okay with the still the 930 time. 930 right. Yes please. Okay. All right so we'll schedule the next meeting for November 17 at 930 am. I'm going to assume that it's going to be completely remote again I think we have until April or May of this. I know we started to do the hybrid, and it seemed to be working okay but it was, you know, whatever people want to do just just let me know. If we want to go back to that. So, with that being said, I think the next thing that we would need to do is go into executive session to look at a couple of personal exemptions, and I don't anticipate a return to public section after that meeting. We just need a vote to go into executive session whenever you're ready. Just to make sure, just so we're, we're, we're straight on the public portion. It's just, you say it's a couple of personal exemptions to review. Yes. Okay, and that's it. Right. Just the review and the vote on those and that's it. All right. All right, I move that we go into executive session for that for that for that limited purpose with no return. No return to the public session. Second. All those in favor please say aye. Okay, and that's at 1022. Okay, so I'm going to go ahead and stop the recording again I just want to make it clear that we will not be coming back to public section after the executive session. Thank you.