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Listen, we got a very very special guest in there today. She really don't need no introduction Really? She family really? Hey, man It was so wonderful when I first met this young lady, man, because I was like, man I never I she was talked up to me before But I seen her I wouldn't start researching that after I met her too I was like, dang, I should have got that interview. I regretted it the whole ride back from New Orleans You know what I'm saying, man? 3d not T man. You're so dope, bro. Thank you Man, I'm gonna be real with you when I when I first seen you I was like, man This girl can rap because he she did I already told me he's like she she hard man I say, you think you do interview? I don't know man. I say but when I went back and I seen you sitting on Sway and all that I'm like, I messed up Most times failed I mean, I believe in imperfect timing. So I'm glad to be here. I was able to Watch the show, you know, that was my first time meeting y'all then and having y'all come to the house and shout out the GD interviewing GD and everything but um, but yeah, I'm here. So no regrets Now I know I already knew, you know me. That's motivation for me. I told you like That's when I really I grind hard. That's what I do. So I'm like, I just got to get loud It's a few more of my terror that I saw I just got to show them this what to see. Oh, yeah And that's that motivates me. It really don't even be the person That's something I do for myself and I'll talk and talk loud and over talk people and cut people off And they think it's really about them, but it's not it's me trying to I'm like Muhammad Ali I'm trying to I'm trying to prove to myself that I'm gonna give you everything that I post to give you And it's gonna come back right, you know what I'm saying? So love you man. Love. Thank you for coming on the show Of course, of course, but mr. Maker for the light you up Now I like to learn about you as a person. So um, you were raised in New Orleans. What part the third one third war Uptown, yeah, I'm uptown. Okay. So raised with your siblings or your only child I'm not oldest of three. So I had two younger brothers the only girl. Um, my mama Had Me My two younger brothers my daddy. He doesn't have any kids. So it was all all three of us, you know Just we real close me and my little brothers real close. Okay. So it was your daddy in the household with y'all growing up My daddy, um past when I was 10 years old So so he was an active father up until his death Yeah, he was in the household, but um, but yeah, he passed when I was real young How did he pass suicide? Wow Did you I know you're a kid. So did you recognize anything? Leading up to that as a child. Um, because tell me like I mean, well, that's a mental health issue Okay, so when I was really young, um Because people hide mental health is a thing that some people can hide very well I was 10 years old But I do have memories and now that I'm older. I can understand what he was going through and also drugs played a part in it Okay, you know what I mean? So the fact that both my mother and my father they were big-time drug dealers when I was young And um, by the time they had my little brothers, they started using their own supply You know what I mean? So they went through I can only imagine what it's like for your psyche You know, he's ex-military like a lot of things went on um If you I have a project called uptown butterfly, which is my most vulnerable project yet and I talked about a lot of that You know and how I was able to Now understand it and see some of that shit really did affect me it affected way my relationships It affected the way I carry myself as a woman all of that shit So my mental health, you know what I mean, which is very big to me now But when I was younger, I didn't know that was just my daddy and he was gone Yeah, so you know what I mean? So but as a child, okay, because you he built all that memories all the way up till 10 And that happened How was that like how did it affect you as a 10 year old? Do you because I've seen kids right now who've lost parents or our father and when you see them at the funeral You know, they're playing and having fun whatever But I know when it's like it don't register at that moment But when you go home and daddy's normally they're putting you in the bed or whatever That's when you normally nah It affected it hit me immediately because I was the only girl I was a daddy's girl And I was the oldest and there was this he used to come and pick me up from school Every Wednesday he used to come to my school. So he was very active when it came to me in schooling I remember it was it was actually around this time um in march she died in march, um and I remember going to the funeral and my one one of my brothers was sleep I was just staring, you know at the casket I know that there was now going to be a deficit because he did play a major role. You know what I mean? So So yeah, yeah, I I was affected How was your brothers at the time? Um, I believe they were four and five so they're too young um I wouldn't say they were too young and that's why I referenced the project because um I later found out a lot more about my father You know, I mean things that I'm not necessarily proud of that I didn't know at the time So I had this vision and his view of him because Of the way he was in my life, right? But my brothers And people in my family and his his sisters his mama, you know, my mama, they all saw a completely different person You know what I mean? So my perception of him. I think I was a little bit more sheltered. I was his baby They didn't see the same person that I saw. You know what I mean? So now, you know, that has affected me in a certain way I was about to say does that make you did I make you angry when you hear all of that? Like that's my idea Absolutely. Um, not really like that's not my father. I had no choice But I didn't even because I know it was the truth it tainted your vision of him I feel guilty sometimes, you know what I mean? Because I was able to see a side of him that other people Didn't get to see, you know, and I was like damn Why why wasn't it me? Why was it them? You know what I mean? So yeah, if you uh, I know I'm alluding to a lot But that's the the project is very heavy. No, I definitely um, that's what it's all about You know what I'm saying? This is a form of therapy like when you do put this stuff in the song in the music In the do you do portraits as well? um That's how music started for me. Correct. Yeah music music started for me as a as a sense of Like me writing in my diary. I trust nobody, you know what I mean? Because you got to understand when I was real young I had everything they had me with the joints and a rope chain and all this type of shit when I was the hand bone chain When I was real young So it was like a drastic switch for me But I was too young to understand why that switch had happened so fast, you know what I mean? So I didn't trust to tell anybody because the main people in my life were the ones that Were the ones that was changing it so drastically So I used to write in my diary But I would do it in poetry form and then I started making songs and shit and I remember at one point being in class and I You know, I got good grades in school because I was doing anything to Please the people around me thinking that that was going to change like if I brought Straight a's home, maybe they don't stop using drugs. You know what I'm saying? So I would do whatever I could and I finished my work early and I'm just writing I'm writing a song and um my teacher Saw what I was doing. She knew I wasn't she thought I wasn't finished So she took my book, you know, and she when she read it She was like, well, I want you to go and stay this in in front of the class as if it was something that I was going to be scared of and that was the first time I remember performing in front of a class and what I wrote about was You know what was going on in my household and I was very very young And the class was like very emotional So there were some people who didn't even like we didn't even know each other like that in school But after that a lot of people it was it was like they gravitated towards me support Yeah, yeah, like damn telling me what was going on in a house and all of that shit the teacher apologized We had a different type of relationship because of it. So Music has always been Something that kind of drew people to me because I'm you know, I told you I don't even really like doing interviews I don't like speaking that much. I'm a loner But it brings people closer to me when I share You know when I when I hear you talk it's like It's like what God showed you was that you're a leader And what you said helped a lot of those kids in that class And that's and you didn't even know it the magnitude of what was about to happen And neither did that teacher. Absolutely. That's that's powerful because that's what happens a lot of times I think that's what what happened with Joseph when when his brothers did that wrong to him in the word And it was like what what what you meant for evil for me. God turned it to good. Yeah, you know, you mean it It's an evil thing. That's a change that Yeah, it's a good thing and it helps so many people because he ended up helping a whole Impoverished land, but that's the way it be like we be thinking we we the God in life But God is a guy in life for us. Yeah, we just be talking. So she probably just like Steve Harvey said You ain't gonna never be on tv his teacher told him boy go sit down back there and turn this paper And and and what she's saying is motivating the situation. Yeah, and igniting the flame and somebody that's not gonna go out So that's when that happened to you like after those kids came to you just talk to him didn't you? Yeah, I mean I was always um I don't have a problem with sharing But I have a problem with over sharing. Yeah, so, you know, I'm not the one that's going to initiate it But I'm an open book. You know what I mean? So I understood my role very early on and music played a big part of that because I feel like I can have a better conversation through my Through my music than I can, you know, just verbally, you know what I mean? So Um, I knew what I felt like I knew what my purpose was very very early early Wow. And and so after that incident And it was a great experience actually but after that happened, how long was it before you did something else? um I mean it never stopped. So you it never stopped. I remember there was this show I don't think I I don't know how are you doing this before? that was I don't know. I was in elementary school. So yeah, that was early But because of that and like I said the teacher she was impressed she was impressed. So there was um, y'all know hold a copy Yeah, okay. So hold a copy. I believe it's from New Orleans, but I know that she had a tv show in New Orleans and I think it was called like hard copy with holder some shit like that and um Soon after she came to the school um, and she did some type of editorial or whatever on on the school the particular school and um My teacher had me rapping. So that was the first time I was on tv on hold a copy show when it was gone off You know, I'm rapping when a credit. So it never stopped. It never stopped. No And they saw your gift everybody saw your gift. Yeah, that's good man, I think like you'd be in from New Orleans early on you ended up signing the cash money No, no, no, I've had I've had a lot of reach out to you Yeah I've worked with I've worked with baby. I've worked with wane. I've worked with juvenile. Um Who else? I mean cash money from early on. Yeah You've been exposed because of all of that. But why did you not sign to? Um, I think it's important Independence is important. You know what I mean and you knew that even back then Yeah, and I'll tell you why when you come from a place I think a lot of the even the trust issues some of the toxicity that I learned prevented me from doing certain things too Because of the trust issues because of the foresight, you know what I mean? And at that time, um, like one of my Baby flew me out to um LA okay, I was in Beverly Hills at the peninsula hotel You know, and it was a it was an incredible time me and him did some songs together. Um I was out in uh Miami at the hip factory and I was working with Timberland at the time and I saw baby and um in slim And they knew I was from New Orleans. So they was trying to get me from right so it was a lot of things But I also understood You know, I'm telling y'all some deep shit about the things that I've experienced You know what I mean and a lot of times this is the music business That shit that I'm sharing is is a part of me and that's a part of my message But when you enter into certain realms, they don't give a fuck about none of that So I didn't want my what I wanted to do this thing that had really saved me To become this thing that was just about Money I wanted to be able to put my shit out the way that I want to put it out And not have to censor it or become this other person just because this is the metrics You know what I mean and I do pretty well for myself as an independent artist So my thing was just like maintain My integrity maintain my voice maintain my uniqueness. Don't let somebody just come in and plus The contracts was fucked up So I'm not saying that I wasn't anything that was you were impressed with Yeah, I'm not saying that I wouldn't sign because I definitely would and I have I actually signed to universal records for For a brief period of time with Russell Simmons, but that was a very very unique deal Russell Simmons gave me a licensing deal. So so I was able to still own all of my music. Yeah, and um And with that I gained a relationship with him and then I gained a relationship with Steve Rifkin But they didn't take my music and you know what I mean? They still gave me a hundred percent control Over creativity, but they was able to place my music and place my name In rooms that I wasn't able to get in yet. So that was more important to me Then to sign with somebody just for the sake of signing. But you know what you said is something dope, but To even have the the understanding of a contract saying yeah Like it was shady or it didn't if it violated your publishing if it violated things that you you really felt secured to But how did you understand how to even You know see that that was what was going on because I was smart enough to get an attorney Sometimes those attorneys are crooked too. I know stories about that too. Absolutely. I I I just know I'm favored I got a lot of favor on me. You know what I mean? Yeah I'm not the most religious person at all like I'm from the streets And and and we didn't get into that But like there was a certain point of time where I kind of followed in the footsteps of my parents and started That's what I was more trouble. I was going to ask you about that Go back into it because I really I like to I jumped into that cash money Because she spoke of it But I really do want to hear the backstory because it's so important to the people to hear Okay, this is 3d 90 phase one phase two You know and it's important because some little girl out there It's gotta do you know what I mean some some little dude out there is trying to figure it out And the thing that you say amplifies what's in them to help them That's what this podcast is about because the thing that I was wondering is And I was going to go back to it is Since you lost your dad you didn't have that male role model A lot of people a lot of females tend to turn to the streets or tend to turn to different Men that are wrong in their life because they're looking for that father they love And they put up with a lot of BS You know what I mean some people end up in abusive relationships, whatever and you know Don't know how to how to say no to it or know that they're worth more because they felt like Oh, he left me. He didn't love me type of thing their father so to say So how did that affect you with relationships with trusting men with all of that growing up? Well, I know some some women they can't use that as um or it becomes one of the reasons that they Become super promiscuous or they have um it was the contrary for me. Okay because um I just didn't believe what niggas told me You know what I mean because like I said he I was a daddy's girl So the fact that he was in my life and then one day he just gone Now when it's man telling me he gonna be here forever. I don't believe this shit So my thing was like Well, I gotta get them before they get me. Okay, you know what I mean like like you lying to me one day You're gonna be gone too. You know what I'm saying? So let me make sure I get all that I can get out of and I'm not talking about in a sense of like on some financial shit, but I treated Relationships like it was just for the moment. I never looked at longevity I never tried to plan for the future with somebody because I'm like this shit not gonna last I'm gonna always be you know, it's gonna always end up just me. You know what I mean? So I think it affected me in that way Wow So but then you said you turned to the streets. How old were you when you were on the streets hustling? And how did you get into that game? Well, I My mama, you know after that she Had a time where she ended up going to jail You know, um because her addiction got a little bit worse So she um After that happened then um, how old were you at that time when my mama went to jail? I think I was 12 12 or 13. Maybe um, and he had died when I was 10 So, you know, it started all by selling weed and shit like that and then it gradually You know, once I started to see as a young child It clicks for me because I'm like, okay The money is leaving the house Where is the money going? The money is going to drug dealers. So to bring it back I must become one of those. You know what I mean? You're so small. He was like at a young age How was your like 13 towards? Yeah, you know, I'm selling weed in school Yeah, I'm selling weed in school and all of that shit and then by the time and did you know any, um Other people who was selling that at that time Yeah, okay, just make it sure because you know because you're figuring out that you know, you have to become this person But yeah, sometimes, you know when you're around them, you'd be like, oh, okay. No, absolutely Yeah, okay, keep going. So um, so yeah, that was just a thing for me. I just started hustling and and um You know, I didn't got in trouble and all of this stuff, but um, it never Not with going to jail like getting arrested. You did get a drip. They caught you Yeah, I was But you didn't you it wasn't that yeah You didn't catch a case of that. Um I was charged with and I don't really talk about this because it was such a such a small time in my life You know what I mean? And how are you at this time now? Now this like 20s early 20s and shit, but um, but yeah That time I met somebody and then he told me how to cook crack and then you know, I started You know with heroin and all of that like moving and shit like that But in that sense that I never was that girl. You know what I mean? I never really want I never saw that as something that I wanted to spend my life Doing it just made sense. It was a means doing it. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So that's that's that You know what, um, you know This is a part of our history, you know, as far as the Crack selling the cone to the heroin like and it's things like that that and there's also trap set If you end up in a courtroom, you know, that ain't for us. We look so weird in there Ain't nobody trying to be in there with them. They got the scales crooked And the scales ain't even balanced. We know it ain't gonna be right And it just ain't for us to be honest with you but we try to go through it Which I y'all knew I'm talking about but we not that's not for us Yeah, for me and you. No, we not. No, we not. That's a fact. No, we be we be looking crazy in there and they look organized You know, they don't need a tack or something. You know what I'm saying? Like going to somebody's house. You don't know you Do I sit on the plastic or you know what I'm saying? Do I stand here? I don't know This is your spot. So no, I get it But like you got to think about it though, man You still to be who you are today. You're blessed. You're blessed. I know you said they're like, you know Wasn't on the spiritual thing a lot but at the end of the day, you know, everybody on levels You know what I'm saying? Like everybody got some sense of okay. I should be doing this or I shouldn't be doing that You know what I mean? Yeah. Well, not the spiritual. I'm very spiritual. Just religious I'm not even who I think everybody says that you know, even in the word that I read it It's only one place that it talks about religion and it's in the book of James It talks about that's taking care of the widows and orphans But religion is something that's done repetitiously and I know we take it to a state But I just couldn't get into it myself. You know what I mean? Never been one to go join anything. I'm not a part of any organization. I'm out here like John the Baptist I'm just in the wilderness out here. You know, I'm saying even locals in wild honey with the camera hide on my back You know what I'm saying? I'm being real. I can't I can't get out with all that structure You got going on but when I get through with you, we're trying to go somewhere You know what I'm saying? That's how I'll be that's how I'll be looking at it and it works You know what I'm saying? So okay now When when I look at you and I I see how you maneuvered You you become very lyrical like in a time where I see you sit beside Kendrick Lamar and I'm like How does this even happen for a girl that's in New Orleans and a guy that's out of Compton? Like how do you end up linking or even these people, you know linking with these people? Um, the the what you're speaking about is an interview that I did with sway. That's why I'm telling you when I seen that And you ate on that thing. So I'm like, I'm like I see over here with these guys I I I really like I was telling jamaica before like when you do what you love Like people gonna respect you and you'll find your tribe, you know what I mean? So I was just going there to do an interview and at the time it was a south by southwest I believe and there was a bunch of different artists that was supposed to Be paired up because they had so many people to get interviewed at the time and um, I think pusher tea was there a childish A bunch of childish No, what's the other guy name with the three on his head chance to wrap up? Oh, yeah, yeah So it was it was a bunch of people that was there, right and um Kendrick wasn't there at the time, but I think I was going up next and then one of the uh Producers saw Kendrick and saw me and was like, oh, we gonna put them together, you know what I mean? So it was nothing planned. They didn't have it set up like that, but um, it just happened that way You know and you was ready. Yeah, I was ready But you gotta understand so you act like it's just people be ready It don't work like like a lot of people want to be in these positions But a lot of them get to these low positions and they're not ready, you know How did how did you knew if if I have to wrap or if I'm if I'm called out on some you knew you was gonna drop a free sound Um Yeah, I don't know if you're setting this up right now. No, no, no I'm not One thing I love about rappers. I love when female rappers are so hard And that's how I see when you be rapping when when I see your instagram and stuff It's like you want to tear the mic off like and I love it So I'm like, how can we not ask for that right here right now? I really am setting it up like that. I just want to know like how she's how you How do you prepare yourself to be put in a situation where you're rapping in front of elite people and You kill the game, you know what I'm saying? Everybody can't do that. Well, people choke. We don't have them on here They choke. Who do you who who's your dream interview? My dream interview Who would I like to interview? I probably already done them, but I'm being real because I'm just I don't never I don't know bro. Birdman. Birdman would be a guy that I would love to love it, but I kill it Yes, so if you saw Birdman, you're gonna be prepared because you know, so that's why You know, that's your field of expertise This is my field of expertise So you ain't gotta get ready because this my this why wrong now if you would have asked me How did you go in there and interview? Such as such Kendrick sitting next to Kendrick Lamar interview him. That ain't my room. That ain't my scope You know, but this is what I do. I rap. So, you know, I was ready. You was very ready I loved it because see I'm in the south. So I look at stuff from a different spectrum is everybody and I said Birdman because I already interviewed Bunby Really, that's my boy Like that's what I didn't want to interview him because I knew like if you mess up my fandom nigga I'm gonna be mad today. You know It's more important than the interview I asked him a long time ago He was like, no, not yet To be a certain way before we get him on the show Yeah, because I know I'm a fan way. I'm in the streets with it Like I'm I'm right until pocket full of stone selling a pocket full of stone type nigga. You know what I'm saying So don't mess this up for me. Like this what I did. Our history depends on this, you know So but but I get it. So I was ready, you know, I knew it and I pray once I pray it's up So whoever sitting that seat it's all about making sure that I bring Oh, yeah, I feel you like so Okay You think about it like When am I offset? Do you feel like like in the south where you come from did that hold you back or did that push you forward? Um In the very beginning I used to think that it it would hold me back and I I felt like that was A thing that held me back. But to be honest, I changed my mindset when it come to shit like that Nothing can hold me back. It's either timing. You know what I'm saying? It's either the wrong time It's not for me. You know what I mean? Or the way that this Can happen in this way. Maybe I work hard enough to get that. So I'm all about taking accountability first You know what I'm saying? So I can blame it on like Being a female from the south I could say all of that shit But really you told me something about you know getting an interview with me You was like maybe I got to get loud enough for her to see me in one of the interview So I like that because you took accountability and said I'm gonna go back and do my work You didn't say, oh man Well, she's stuck up or whatever because it's easy to blame shit on somebody else. I always take accountability I'm not I love the fact that I'm from New Orleans. That should stand out. You know what I'm saying? I love the fact I'm a female You know what I mean? And I'm in this place. They asked me how do I feel in a male dominated industry Before I used to feel like oh, well, you know, it's a bunch of men and they don't do the No, because I know I'm prepared so I'm gonna get up there and I'm gonna do my thing regardless So I'm gonna stand out. So I always take accountability. I would never think Especially when you're in the feeling, you know, you're you're very good at what you do I would never ever think of it as Be intimidated because it's a man there and he's good I would only be feel a certain way when I know that I'm hard And this are the person hard but y'all are not giving me the chance to to elevate my career But you're giving all these other people. That's the time when I feel I do not give a fuck the reason I mean I've had a lot of what I don't like Is I've had a lot of men and a lot of people in position try to fuck You know, I was thinking what they did. Yeah, them thinking what they did Holds me back a lot, you know, I've had men have me in a studio, you know under the pretenses of working, you know And we'll work together, but now they got access to me, you know what I'm saying? And now they get to kind of study me And figure out a way that they can try to fuck and that's that right there is upsetting to me But um other than that, I'm like I'm gonna get it regardless and this is another thing The shit that some of the the women that you might say You know may elevate or whatever. We don't want the same things You know the things that I want out of my career. I'm already getting So I can maximize that and it can be bigger But I really wanted to get my message out and I really wanted to be able to make money Travel and be happy I'm not asking to be on the cover Yeah, I love the fact that I can I pulled up here by myself. That's real You know what I'm saying? I love the fact that I can go hop out at the gas station Yeah, I still need that sense of peace because that's what I started rapping for I rap to get this shit from the inside to the outside. Yeah, so I'm still getting that and whenever That shit stops, then I'm stopping You know what I mean? And I see a lot of people stop because of that Let me ask you this. How did you figure it out because you're an entrepreneur? I've seen we see you, you know and we see you in your element of business when we met you A lot of people know you for your lyrics, but you're a business woman that knows you're you're an entrepreneur You know how to Maneuver like how did you transfer that way of thinking like I can relate? You know what I mean? Like how'd you take it from being one that was selling stuff that was illegal to make it something that now Is motivating entrepreneurship and legal and legal Drugs sell themselves Right The challenge is can you do that with something else and I love a challenge You know what I mean? So for me like I told you that never was the thing for me that never was something that defined me I didn't define myself as a bitch from the street. That's gonna let like no, that wasn't the thing The thing was to be able to be successful Now the more legal I can do that the better I feel about myself You feel what I'm saying? so being able to like transition being able to Own real estate being able to move and make the lives of people around me better was always my goal You know what I mean? So yeah, you got to if you don't have anybody to teach you you got to figure it out I don't feel like I'm the best. I don't feel like I'm the the the most successful But I have created a lifestyle for myself that um is phenomenal You know what I mean? It's something that I know other women other people aspire to have so I'm very proud of what I was able to do I love it man. Like I said seeing you work and seeing you who as a person just seeing your brain I get to be up close and personal with it as I got to know you and I just really really like what I see And I think other people can enjoy it and learn and leverage from it when it comes to the Younger men or younger women to be honest with you. So a lot of people don't know the impact that they give You know just from doing an instagram post Most people look at some of man. That's can be messy that can be But there's a lot of people looking at your life and they're motivated by what they see Yeah, and I think that's hard and I think we can't ignore that We give the social media platforms a bad Wrap because we see certain things but you choose to look at that Like my wife tell me the more you look at something the more it pops up on your page You see what I'm saying So if I'm looking at things that are pushing and motivating me to understand how to become successful Then I'm going to grow and be successful. But if I'm looking at things that makes me more More of a person who lusts after women. Let's be real for a minute here Then that's going to pop up. You know what? I mean if I'm looking at things engineers that are What you call the dy do it If I'm looking at that like you do because I look on your page because I got access to your page Like damn why these people keep popping up making stuff? I can tell exactly what she's looking at She can tell exactly what I'm looking at So we know it ain't nothing here because I'm like damn this is what she's looking at If that's what's going to pop up So, I mean you have a notice. I forgot the name of this. It's like a It's a it's a thing. It's a it's like a scientific thing. But if you Go purchase a car, right and you purchase a jeep, right? You like jeeps Soon as you drive that off the lot, you're gonna You're gonna start seeing jeeps you're gonna start seeing jeeps everyone So it ain't just about the algorithm and social media. Like there's an algorithm in life Come on, man, whatever you think about whatever you really surround yourself with Whether it be negative or positive that shit ain't just about you know, seeing a car I didn't see somebody pop up if you apply that same shit if you apply those same rules Then you would change your mindset in a You're gonna stop thinking about negative shit because you ain't gonna want to see that shit all day. That's real You know what I mean? So I just applied today. You know, I agree I like that because it's not like it's not out there, you know jeeps are everywhere all the time It's just that you never really just took notice of it before your focus is now Heightened on that thing. Exactly. You know what I mean? So so that's what it is And you know one thing I wanted to say about you and I love this about you is the fact that You're not a pretty girl. You know what I mean? You're not a person that and it's not like you ain't got the money You're not a type of person that is gonna have all these people around you who are doing everything for you And I love that because when I look on your social media and I follow you I see you you you're doing everything for yourself. You're filming everything for yourself You're creating your content for yourself. You're doing your building as I mean like I talked about that off camera And I love to see, you know, I didn't see you have a lot of men around you helping you do this or whatever You are a female but you are here taking up this wood building this creating that and I'm like because That reminded me of me and I'm like because I can ask you one One time and if you take too long He would always fuss at me. Yeah, but we putting this stuff up and he doing something and I and I said to him Baby, can you help me do this? And he said yeah, I'm coming He takes too long. He turned around. It's already done. Yeah, no, you're Fussing at me. He's like, but that's heavy. Why you Yeah, I don't like to wait nobody I do it myself and so when I see you doing stuff, you know, I'm I'm just like Yeah, yeah, I love it it kind of started because I brought I brought my first house I think in 2018 and then the year after that like maybe about 10 months after that I brought my second house with 2019 and then right after that y'all know it was um the pandemic So I my mama hadn't purchased the house. I didn't have many homeowners in my family So now I'm locked inside 24 hours a day and I'm just looking at certain things that I want to improve So I'm like fuck it. I'm gonna teach myself how to do it and what's crazy is I did a couple things And then I was doing these things, but I wasn't filming them But then I'm like, I'm gonna I'm gonna film this and post it right So I did I built a sauna Um and like the the back of my house Um the house that y'all came to and that got a million views on youtube, you know what I mean People look that stuff up. We watch that stuff all the time. Yeah. So then I did um I was changing the ceiling fans and I was um building tables and all kind of stuff And um and people started to really gravitate towards that. I rebuilt A lot of the things in the studio. I did my own booth and all of that stuff So yeah, people kind of gravitated towards it, but it really came out of The lack of help. It's not that I didn't you know, I could have gotten the help But it was it came out of that and it helps that you find too. So they're gonna be watching because It's not like when you when you doing this stuff. You're not in no big baggy shirt or no You being your sports bra and stuff That's just how I dress. You know what I mean? Yeah, but um, but I that help One thing. Do you like okay when you first come up, you know Who was somebody that inspired you far as the rap game like that you was like they dope and and you know what I mean Whether it be female or male, it doesn't matter Um Lauren Hill is one of my favorite artists of all time. That's her again today. Yeah I don't I mean Lauren Hill is one of my favorites of all times. Um, I like nice I like It's really hard to say because it's ever changing to be honest I'm more inspired by the shit that I went through and where I grew up, you know My experiences that influenced my music more than watching somebody because I I understand a human And I understand there's a lot of different filters before what they make get to me So I only get to see a fraction of them But I get to see a hundred percent of these streets And the streets really inspire me to make what I make do you what when you think of new Orleans though I think of soldier slim and all these other people these big influences like how was How was it coming up and being from new orleans and hearing the stories about soldier slim? Well, I grew up on delish a street in the third wall uptown. So Right around the block on the parkway Is where the producer klc. Oh, that's my boy. Yeah, so klc He call you niece. Yeah. Yeah, that's he called me his his goddaughter. Yeah, so he um He used to always be on that block and so the slim will come there Master people drive because the whole little family used to live on on the next block So I was able to see in real time Somebody who I'm seeing on tv And then they right here They right here and then you know somebody like soldier slim He was really moving around in the area, you know what I mean? So I was able to see these people So that inspiration came from like damn you could really make it from here Yeah, because they still come around here, you know what I mean? So it was something that really inspired me in real time when you would see klc And what did he say it's anything that inspired you? Did he ever talk to you about anything? klc what I would do was um I used to walk around that area And I would have my headphones in or I would be moving my hands like this hoping that You know somebody would tell him and it worked Like his family say your girl rap because one of them stopped me and said would you rap or something? I would go to the bus stop, but I'm I'm like by myself So they knew that I was rapping One of them asked me to rap I did They family is huge So then they started to tell kl and then kl when kl came around that, you know They introduced me to him. So that's how I met him Wow And and that's a dope thing man because he he did a lot of music down there It's a bunch of people down there, bro Like that's the whole game like like the music down there and the way it hit different down there You know, I mean New Orleans is a special place Different like when you look at even even when cash money first came up you were young and you seen that as well Like what did you think of their movement when it first took off? um I mean it was it was impactful because like I said seeing anybody make it from New Orleans Is going to impact you come on even if you're not necessarily You know Immediately affected by it or you're not a part of it you still there's not a lot of people that make it out In that way and I know that's cliche a lot of people say that but it's real like if you come to New Orleans You know, it's like a kind of like a time capsule That's why people love New Orleans because we preserve our history. We preserve our culture We do a lot of the same shit and have been doing it for years So when somebody makes it out and puts us on display, you know, I mean that's very That's you know, it makes a lot of sense for us. We we aspire by it Well, even even and I'll say this before I know you got something for that But even uh to cd1, he was just on breakfast club the other day. He's one of y'all natives Yeah, yeah, and he was so excited about that. Well, he did say came on boss talk first I loved it. He helped me laughing on lives. He shots us out all the time But to see him to come in even the way he comes even though it's a it's from a positive standpoint He's trying to figure out ways to you know To really get his message out there to the kids that he affects because he's teaching school I think that's so hard and I think it's dope because everybody can be touched in a certain way from a certain aspect But to be from New Orleans and to see some of the things he talked about with me and to see who he is now today You know doing the things he's doing is big So how was it for you when you seen him being from New Orleans and being in the place? He is D1. Yeah. Oh, it's inspiring me and D1 Me and D1 have done a lot of things together like we just did jazz fest last year together Together like yeah, yeah, so D1 has always been someone that's very genuine You know what I mean when he's speaking about his his mission So seeing him be able to spread that Is something that's incredible to see you know what I mean? There's so many voices From New Orleans like I work with pj more and there's so like a vast Yeah, there's a vast array of artists different type of artists in New Orleans So anytime someone like him he's saying true to his message is beautiful to see How do you cope with? mental health Or depression Because you know we all go through different things Because the devil comes at you in your mind all the time with negative thoughts as much as sometimes we don't say it It comes in your mind different ways and forms. How do you get over that? How do you surpass that? I'm still learning every single day Every single day. I'm still learning. So I don't think that I can see here and see that there's one main thing what I've been doing a lot is like Stick into the things that I love stick into the positive shit. There was there was I spoke about it on the album There's a song produced by Bink is called the sad part Bink produced a lot of shit for jz and Yeah, so rick ross and stuff and um and in that song I speak about how certain things affected me and Music had always been a mainstay for me being close to my grandmother. She was pouring into me But when I lost her, you know, I lost that positive Thing in my life. I stopped making music for a minute. You know what I mean? And I replaced a lot of positive shit in my life with getting fucked up drinking You know sex being around people who ain't really the best for me. You know what I'm saying? So once I realized it didn't help at all So once I realized like wait, I subtracted these positive things out of my life or they were subtracted out of my life This has changed. So let me try to think, you know, you evaluate so I started to implement more of the things that really um kept me On a on a positive in a positive place. So I spent a lot of time by myself. I like to go walking sometimes That's why you go to stony. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, I go I go walking sometimes I make I make my music, you know what I mean? And I try to stay in touch with myself I try to stay in tune with with me and my thoughts and don't let the negativity get to me But it's easier said than done though. Yes, it ain't that it is practice makes perfect The more you practice a certain state of mind Is the easier your walk gets Wow, I also stopped drinking too. So that was like a major thing. Yeah. Yeah. How long ago? Um, it's about it's close to six months now. So how is it hard? Um, really it's not it's not um, like I have anxiety. So sometimes when I get in certain social settings, you know And I I don't want people to think that I'm like standoff. It's just something. Um, so I used to drink to Kind of loosen up and she like that But now it helps to not give a fuck what people think And so that that makes me not really want to drink that much. Okay, that's good I want to ask you about uh, past tense with uh, kelly price Like how did you even link with her to to make that happen? Um, kelly price I worked with kelly. I have a production company as well. So, um, see what I mean guys step You game Yeah, a couple years ago Someone reached out to me because kelly was performing at essence fest and they wanted to have one of my camera guys come out Nobody was available and I was like, I'm not missing this shit. So I came out. I put one of my shirts on This is my business already legendary I put one of my already legendary shirts on I put my head on and I went and filmed it for And when I met her we like vibe really really well. So One of the she didn't know you wrapped at that time when she met you when when I came she Knew like she they was like, what the fuck? Like, why are you? I'm about to get the job. That's right. I mean, so um, so I I followed her around for her performance And then um, we connected so I ended up She called me again when she got to Atlanta and she had she was filming for um Good morning America. Okay. So she had to do this this uh Performance what they you know, they cue to it or whatever. It was pre-recorded. So she wanted me to film that segment So I ended up filming that segment for her. Then she has a video called um dance party I shot and edited that video for her. So I did a lot of production for her on my own Um with the help of og films, which is one of the guys that uh filmed with me as well But we shot those videos for and we became closer. She gave she gave me a lot of advice She's a very powerful smart, you know, um positive person down the earth. Yes. So, um Natural we have some songs together that we did too So we developed our relationship like that and then I asked her to do that song and she she did the song The crazy part about is what you just said you said I went and done this and they looked at me like you What are you doing like because they already knew you was as a established artist and but to be able to Be as humble as you just stated to go and do that. I'm a creator I get it, but that's not some a lot of people can't can't see that They're not gonna come down to after a little high horse like me or you uh, Set up some cameras or do whatever and people be like y'all start like man, whatever Because we ain't built like that. I saw it as an opportunity and I also saw that there was a need You know what I mean? And I knew that I could do it And when you speak about having a you know being on a high horse. I don't think I've ever experienced that That's real I'm never experienced being on a high horse because I just like creating and that's why when I told you before When you speak about like other female rappers and artists and shit like that the things that they desire out the game I don't desire that I desire to create You know what I mean? So that was an opportunity for me to like I'm sitting here and people know me as a Rapper, but I just told you I filmed the whole segment for Good Morning America Right, you know what I'm saying? I love it. So so and then her her music video So a lot of things and this is someone that I watch growing up and you know She is also a songwriter and wrote songs for so many different people In houston Be did he all of these? Oh, yeah, she worked Yeah, so my ability to even make that connection and she saw something in me even outside of the music You know, she saw my talent with filming and stuff. So yeah, man I mean, that's that's something to be proud of but also God uses people man to connect It's the energy and the vibration in the room. We gotta think about it. Everybody's not gonna click with everybody If certain people come around I probably never will know but then there's some that once I meet them I'll never forget them. Yeah, you know what I mean? And I think that's the way it works with the connections and the relationships that you build with certain individuals I know you've come across certain individuals where y'all didn't even talk anymore And you just met them and it was just for that moment But people like kelly price you come in the room and it's something that just sticks You know what I mean? And I think that's alive too, man Like how big was it like on certain song like freak like me like like, um Doing that song. What was the process? Um, that was a song that I created it was already done and then I reached out to high sizzle Who is one of the yeah, he's one of the greatest performers ever period not just saying it because he from New Orleans Not just saying it, you know, but he uh, he came to the studio got on a song. He he added He added himself to the song. So, um, it has the adena highway. That's all right. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah So that's a we shooting that video. Um, but yeah, it was something that I created and then I reached out to that video You know, just run up on that and don't tell me when is it is to go. It's already in the process. Why are you gonna come? I will pull up. You'll pull up. Yeah Yeah, let me know I'll talk to pull up, you know, because I need to come back. New Orleans has embraced us. Yeah, we love I think that was the second time Jamaican restaurant just popped up on my my social media the other day and I said I think that's what it is. I gotta try it because it looks so good I love I love the food because I think the wife is from New Orleans and the husband from Jamaica I'm like, okay. Yeah, that's an amazing But I'm definitely um looking at the way, you know, like I said, New Orleans is embrace of all star 101 That was our second time down there. Yeah, and and now they're asking us to come back. People are so good I love the people. Yeah for sure. Let's talk about nightmares man for for many I'm I'm trying to get through these but I like the project part So how was it doing that and what what was that about? So between the last the last time that I dropped a record was probably like five or six years prior to that project Okay, so a lot of these songs were songs that was developed over time Um, and I recorded them. I have my own studio like my I record at home and I send it out to get mixed That song that particular song is with a guy from here actually out here in Atlanta named Fadaro And he did the track and then he did the hook on it and sent it to me and it kind of sat for a minute But not until I started to think about, you know Some of the things that I talk about on that song. Um, I was like damn. I know the perfect Before so I did that but most of my most of my recording sessions I record the songs myself. You know what I mean? So normally I'm at home I'm in a studio. I'm engineering my own shit and then I send it off to somebody or they send the track to me before That's the same thing like the real music uh little runny mother elf certain ones that's creative They do their own videos Little runny mother elf he gonna come on boss talking He gonna he have his projects and he knows what he wants and he's so particular about he won't let other people Help him a lot of times and that's what I hear in you like i'm a creative. I can do it myself and make it right But it also just goes back to the fact that i'm kind of like I I spend a lot of my time alone. You know what I mean? Yeah, yeah So so that's one of the reasons why I wanted to have a studio in my house because I could wake up at two o'clock in the morning And go and record. Yeah, yeah, that's hard So so yeah, I wouldn't have to wait or kind of filter my my thoughts because I had these hours that I had to wait to go with the engineer So I always get in there and I tweak it later. But yeah, I like my shit not to be filtered I like to be able to get up whenever I had an inspiration and do it And sometimes you don't want that unwanted attention when you're going to the studio Sometimes with people that around that you don't really want them to mess up your mental Yeah, you know, I want there was there was a moment when I was working with Timberland and missy, right? And I was kind of intimidated because they had so many people in the studio At the time, but no, no, listen, they had so many so many other artists and writers and stuff like that And they would go to the club like some of the some of the people in the writing camp They would go to the club and then be Go back to the studio like, you know, two three in the morning and I'm a morning person So I wake up early. I like to record early, but I'm not going to miss the opportunity So I would be up like around the clock And I'd be in the studio recording and a lot of people would just come Peak in the session come standing there smoking and all that, but I wasn't really used to that So one time missy was sitting on a tour bus and um, or I was sitting on a tour bus and missy came on a bus And um, she asked me how things was going how I you know, how I felt about being out there And I just told I was like, you know, it's kind of different for me I see when you go in the studio you able to sit there and you engineer yourself because missy would sit at the boards She'll close the door. She'll be in there by herself. No closed session And I was I felt like I didn't reach that status enough for me to ask for that Although that's how I did it at home the same way that she did it So when I told her that she was like, no You have to ask for what you need in order to make the best work because when people hit an outcome They not gonna know all what somebody was in my session distracted me whatever whatever So she was like, you gotta ask for what you want so you can make the best work that you can And um, I I felt what she said I felt inspired by The next day when I was in the studio early in the morning There was a drill like Somebody drilling on the door and I'm like what the fuck is going on The handyman was changing the locks And putting a actual lock because you couldn't lock it from that side They put a lock on that and I was like, what what's going on? They say oh missy put that there for you You know what I'm saying? Yeah, so that inspired me to and gave me more confidence like she really was invested in effect and and telling me No, you gotta make sure you put you and your music first. You know what I mean? So, yeah, that was like uh, I mean, how long was you running out doing doing this with them? That was about a year and a half. Maybe yeah, so I was in I was in Miami at um Well, that happened at uh, Tim's studio Thomas crown in Virginia But it was like a year and a half back. Did you keep in contact with her? Yeah, um Not because I ended up not signing with them. You know what I mean? But um, she's like sent messages and said encouraging things, but I didn't end up doing business with them Yeah, yeah, but that door open just for you to see that god has a way of opening the door so you can peek through it That's a fact. That's a fact I had a question about her music. So what is the overall message that you want people to know about your music? What what do you want people to get from your music overall? well A lot of times that message varies but I make music for people who may not Have that whole cheering section for them. You know what I'm saying? This is the soundtrack for the hustlers This is the soundtrack for people who feel like, you know, I would like to have people support me But even if they don't I know I'm one on one I know I'm going to you know what I mean? And that's why I named this already legendary my company already legendary because I don't need the validation from others to tell me What I already know about myself So, you know, I I have reality rap, you know what I mean? I talk my shit I had the song freak like me, you know, that's you know I mean, I have all of those those different elements in my music But the overall message is that even when you don't have people cheering for you, you got to be your your cheerleader I agree 100. Yeah, like I said, you dope. You always been dope to me. I want the projects to keep coming Um No cap for the young folks. He's saying no cap or they'll say something like standing on business But at the end of the day, I think that's you represent culture and you represent our You know successful black women, man. I mean beautiful black women, you know what I'm saying? I think that's important for our young girls, you know They can see the twerking and they can see all the stuff and it's fun But to see somebody that's encouraging with entrepreneurship skills That understand how to brand themselves and be successful in today's times is remarkable and I see that in you. So Thank you so much. You know what I'm saying? Of course, that's real. Like I like said, I I mean, you know, you got just gotta get credit where credit is due. I know, you know how we used to see it You know, you do that credit because you put that working And you know what I'm saying like so is there any anybody up and coming who's a new girls the young girls that you you got the message from Missy and you've seen the inspirational moments from certain individuals Who is that young girl that that that you've had the opportunity to say some encouraging things to? You know, that's a very good question because I can't name one Oh, it's happening No, but the reason why I say that is because I would love the opportunity to to be able to name one You know, I would I would hope that my message spread Wide enough because I hear people all the time tell me but I haven't worked closely with like a female artist Or I haven't um, I just Within the last um, well February February. I became um on the one of the board members on the um, junior board association for the universal hip hop museum This is a 65 million dollar development In um in the Bronx, New York. I sit on a board with yo-yo. I sit on the board with fat joe There's nars on the board. Yeah, so um, there's a lot of there's a lot of artists this Project is a huge project and I'm the only one from the south Loving me. You know what I mean? I'm the I'm the only um independent artists from the south young female on the board or whatever So there's a lot of initiatives that we're working together to do Um charity and all of that but yeah, that's something that I really want to put my focus on too It's coming and there's also they just um Honored me in New Orleans with the proclamation from this. Yeah for my contribution to hip hop in New Orleans So there's a lot of things that I've done, but I don't sit back and say this is you know I mean, but it's it's good to be recognized Yeah, but I do want to hone in but I can't say like there's a female rapper that I took under my wing or something Because there's really not yet not yet, but at the end of the day there's so much more to you I hope I can just be an example by the way that I move You know, I mean the same way that the same way that missy just saw that there was a you know I said something and she was like all right bam I I hope that I can continue to do that in that way but encouragement right now is Encouraging people to have that courage to actually say something because people would think it and not say it Especially be intimidated by okay. That's missy. I'm not gonna say that to her. Yeah, you know what I mean So I love that but I wanted to get into real quick because you know, we're closing out but um I know you started doing film Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. So tell me about your movie because that's what she started branching off into and why did you choose to do that? It's a very interesting story on why I chose to do it. Um 2018 when I say I purchased my house. I was going through a breakup when I went through that breakup. Um I got an email around the same time From the casting director for this show called it was called pussy valley at the time and um, They said that katori valley. Yes. Okay. So they they said, um A play writer named katori hall is a fan of my music and she wants me to audition for this show center taping. Um At the time I was going through a breakup. I'm moving. I'm looking for a house all that and I don't I've never I've never done acting before So I didn't really believe in myself as an actress So it was like you got a um poll dance. You have to have a little knowledge of pole dancing. That was something that kind of I'm like So it was something that didn't I hadn't heard of katori hall at the time, you know, so it was just some shit that I'm like Okay, I don't know what this is whatever. It's just something that can't come coming across. Um Maybe about six months later. I heard that they're the director for that show I think it was just online somewhere that her name was karen Um, stevens or something. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. This event kareena evans And um, I was like, oh shit. I know her she does a lot of videos and that's that show But it still didn't cross my mind until and then when it later became P valley and and this phenomenon that it is now Then I started to think I'm like, oh shit. So I told myself You know, first of all, you got to believe in yourself. These people saw something in you that you didn't see Seeing yourself at the time and passed on that opportunity. So I said, I'm gonna put myself out there more And um, and as of recent I became one of the cast members on a show called wicked city Um, that shot here in Atlanta on the amc network Yeah, so that was my first time like getting into acting and that way I've done some other films But with this particular project I have um, I shot a movie. It's a 35 minute film short film And that acts uptown butterfly acts as the soundtrack for it. So it's kind of like a coming of age story And like I said, I have a production company. So I started I was like, why not do it all yourself? Right. I filmed 90% of my videos on my own So it was only naturally that I would venture off and start filming my own Films and that's just showing you what you showing everybody what you can do and eventually branch off to filming other people's movies and so forth So that's that's perfectly man. You dope man. Like I said, I'm gonna be I can have this right You can buy it. Okay. That's let's let's let's do that man. That's all I love I love a hustle man. I'm a hustle. It's 3d not see dot com I got this no, I'm just saying Let me tell you why and the reason why I say it's no disrespect But I'm saying that because as you see I have a physical copy in my hand So I do something very different like you can stream my shit and that's fine But I'm a artist to the tee I created this right here Which is called the already legendary wristbands the city usb All I wear it on my wrist, but this has 32 gigs of music on it So my whole catalog is on this and I saw this on my website Really? Yes. I saw leads on my website They don't sell right now for 75, but they sold for 100 dollars on my website So people could plug this directly into their cars. They can watch my videos They can watch my documentary All on this That's what I want right there I need that. Okay. All right So so so this right here is the coming different colors. Yeah coming different colors I'm just right to that all the way back. No that So it's right here. You can get on 3d not see dot com But when I say you can buy it it's because open show because the camera when I say that you can buy it It's because I got that right there. I got to have that one. Yeah, that's how we're streaming You know, they kind of like take away from the artist and I really put my heart and soul into the music You know, I would love that ld. Oh, I love it, man. That's why I'm getting I buy everything like no But you got to understand the whole game is this man what you're saying is happening and you doing it That ld 300 does it It's sir. It little kiki does it. Listen. It's the rollout for me for independent artists I'm loving it because y'all figuring out how to do it without being, you know The big the big brother is not not having to do it for you. You you figured it out That's the hustling mentality and you got to think about it There's a lot of people that even when me and little kiki was interviewing a few weeks ago And he was talking about the this this process of the cd and how the music I think snoop has said that the streaming is not, you know Basically paying the way it should or whatever but he up one and said look he was like no, but we we are We are brand ambassadors. We didn't know how they made them cassettes. We didn't know how they made those We just knew that we was getting a little bit off of them. It's the same thing with this We don't know what they're doing, but it's creating something to where we can go out and leverage off of it And we got to make that happen within our brand independently now. And I think that's dope that you're doing that Absolutely. I love it, bro. That's it right there. Thank you. You know what I'm saying? That's all people don't buy CDs hardly anymore They know when they and this right here when you buy this from my website You also get a digital download of the movie and the album So it's like you buy it but a lot of people, you know, they have a collection of my projects And this is just something a lot of time. Yeah that people buys the souvenir, you know, I mean, but I still give you the whole Digital Same thing with glasses alone like This has done really well initially when I dropped this in november They were um, $33 on my website and they did really really well I put them on sale right now because i'm getting some of the the last album into so i'm gonna sell it as a combo Okay, john 3d nati.com man. Thank you so much for coming on show top three orders of all time did or lie any john any genre, um lauren hill Nina Simone and um Yeah, we gonna go with uh two pot Hey, man, thank you so much for coming on the show. How can people get a hold of you if they if they want to reach out and book you? My website 3d nati.com. That is that is my land You know what I mean? Um, if if instagram go down like it often does a facebook go down 3d nati.com Man check it man. Hey man. Listen man. Make sure you get Look at this next clip cause 3d nati just went in man. You don't want to miss this next clip man It's been another great segment of boss talk 101. What a boss is talk and we out