 Welcome to Toffey TV, here is the final word, Liverpool One, Everton, Neil Joinbright, Callum Snell, and Martin Kane, to that nice and slow to build it up. Obviously, it was too hard on that bit, sat on the couch here. I want to say, I didn't see that happening, but I've seen lots of it happening throughout the world of Maisie Side Dabies and the way we lose football matches. Let's get straight into it, let's just know. We've had the stick off the red men already, and particularly off the one that a lot of you blues were happy with on the social clip that they put out last week. It's my status gone now, he doesn't look as much of a knob as he did last week. Let's get into it, Ped. The team that we started with, any surprises there that he went with Welcott over Llockman or...? No, no. And that's the team that should have started him? Yeah, I'm not. Yeah, yeah. I know loads of people want Llockman to come in, but I still think there's that crossover period that you've got to have, and I still think Welcott offers the team something that you need. And for me, you don't make changes like that in games like that. You make that change Wednesday night. You make that change, you know, probably get... For me, for someone like Llockman, he needs like two or three games back to back. No point just saying, well you're in for the Maisie Side Dabies and then you're back out again. You say, right now you can have the new Castle game and you can have the Waffa game, and you might even get the City game if you do well in those two games. So bringing them into that game wouldn't make sense. The rest of the team picks itself at the moment. To be honest, the only thing... And I know we'll probably talk about this more, but I just wanted to throw it now. The subs... They're the only thing I am slightly perturbed about. With the news of words like that. It's a great way to be one on Monday. They're the only thing, but we'll talk more about that now. But that would be the only thing. I mean, on Calom, Walcott and Llockman. And with Ped, this was a game. Feel free to disagree with us, by the way. The youth. I feel like there's a divide here. I think we've created a divide. We haven't mixed it up. And with Ped on this, I think a game like this, we've got a settle team. I think Walcott offers more than what some people want to give him credit for. He's not flying at the moment in terms of his product, but it's his way of creating the way he plays. Would you have brought Llockman in? I can see why Walcott was in the side. But I made the point the other week. I definitely would have played Llockman in the Cardiff game the week before. And then given this chance. Like you said, Ernie's way into the city game. How it would be for the Derby. But I'm going to disagree. I think I would have put Llockman in, I think. A bit different. Something, catch them off guard a little bit. Because we saw that he made a difference when he came on. Whether or not that was going to be from the way it goes. Obviously it was in the end. But I can understand Walcott coming on. We know what he's capable of and what he can offer. He didn't do it again. I would have started Llockman in my opinion. Mart? No, I would have started him. Would you? It's like that. It's like what you say. We've seen it last year of Llockman when he came in and he played a couple of games. Everyone's begging to start him and just restart him. But he's miles off the pace. And in a Derby game as well, you can't put him in from the start. You need to have Theo to break the game down just a little bit. And then throw him in at the end. I mean what he did, he was very similar to the cup game. And he come on, he got involved and was running after him. We started off, I mean we give a corner away in the first 20 seconds. And you're thinking, OK, it comes back to the wall. But that's Jordan's biggest faux pas of the game. Settling now. But we actually had the first chance at the game. And as the ball came in, as meaner, I thought it was in. I thought it was in the second corner. I didn't know how it went wide. Alison just gave it up. I thought it was in. I mean he was marginally offside. He put the line and put the flag over the counter. I mean it was a good opportunity for him. No, it was great wasn't it? Cos we've been begging for set pieces. Because I thought that what we did all day defended set pieces. Oh, we did really well. There's an irony in that book. I thought we defended set pieces really well all game. He only really got the one and that was at the end which was the bar from. But other than that. We dealt with them really well. We dealt with them really well and they were trying to be clever. The delivery of the set pieces, not necessarily the corners, but the free kicks were brilliant. Just putting it in front of everyone. The way he felt, the way he liked me, we were just playing right on the shoulder. I thought they were brilliant. After what Van Dyck did to us in the cup last year, I wasn't looking for the corners. But I thought that was in. That was one of those. I felt so disappointed cos I thought it had gone in. So I was more disappointed. I felt like a goal was taken away from me. That goal was in. The game's turned on. I said then and everyone's off for it. And we were off for it for the whole of the game. I think it was a bit of shock wasn't it? That he was onside and he'd got his head on it and it just missed by that much. For me, this was the best move of the match from Liverpool. About five or six minutes after that, we gave the ball away and Salah plays a lovely little ball over the top to Manair. He probably should score a match. I mean it does well to get something that Salah and John have done. I think he's done that all day. I didn't get back to get the tackling, but just wasn't off to put them off. You put your out on Manair putting that in. When he goes over. But they got in a couple of times like that. I had a defensive dealt with that brilliantly. I thought we played really well defensively yesterday as well. We did, didn't we? I mean, after that, I still don't know. Honestly, as the ball, as Wolcott knocks that ball back across to Gomez and he heads it. I'm waiting for the net of balls. I still don't know how it's going. Every time I've seen it, I'm still expecting it to go. Do you want any blame on Gomez? I do. I think absolutely. If he heads it down, it's a goal. He's got a lot of time as well. You wind himself up a lot. You can see that. I think if he heads it down, it's a goal. If it's on the nose, it's a goal. But where he heads it, it's a goal. So, you've got a... I mean, it's beautiful as he is. I can't stay angry at him. I mean, I look at him, I can't stay angry. Not a hair out of place. No, beautiful. It's funny you say that. She's gone the air. Where's it? Who'll be playing this week? Newcastle. Newcastle game out. That's it. Break it down every post. No, I think it was just a mad set of events. Wasn't it? The keeper makes the save and then the clear off the line and then Guilfee's any other time, that goes in. I thought that was going to fly in. Hit the post and hit him and goes on. Any other game. We didn't even get a corner for it. No, the crisis. That was just indicative of the whole game, wasn't it? Both teams had loads of chances. They seemed to spit like spoon one-on-ones. We seemed to make more chances than we've ever made in our field. We just seemed to come up with a way of not scoring. Walkout has one not long after. Guilfee Sigurd is a place. The greatest pass ever. It's like the magic bullet out of JFK. It goes through about four people and then he gets on the end and he takes a good face touch and you just get a second one quicker. But if he takes a quick second touch there, Alisson can only bring him down or he goes on. I thought he should have just stabbed the first time. Because Alisson committed to him going round. He flicks that, it's in. Exactly. It's an alright face touch, but he hasn't got a great face touch. A lot of other players will talk that a bit wider, straight away, not just getting a front here. He can't declare himself to another enabled Alisson to get a hand on it, didn't he? I thought the first 20 minutes I thought Liverpool would have better side. They were prompting and probing on that. You'd shed off camera before. We saw that with Ghana giving them probably their best chance of the first half. He gets called 10. I mean, why he thinks he's got that much time in amazing side? He's beyond me. I think it's for me to nix it off him and place the ball into it. Or Salah plays the ball into Shaqiri. Early in the Cajons where it was going to be a tough line game. We lost the ball more times in the first 10 minutes than I've seen lose the ball in the last four games. We just kept on giving it back to them but really silly passes like little five. They are really good at pressing. You've got to give them that. That's something they've got in the game. They have changed the way they play, but not that. Ghana was the biggest culprit. He just kept on turning at the door. I thought he was poor yesterday. I thought he did his job well, but the thing is, if we are going to take that step to become a team who's pushing, then he's got to get better. It's a double sided position. You can't just be that ladder goes down. You're going to have the ball at your feet. You're going to have times where you've got to try and not open teams up, but just make sure you can get the ball to the feet of a person who can open the game open. To be honest though, I thought once we got past that initial bit and rode that look, we're not in luck or such, but we just got through that. We settled down then, and I thought back to when we started playing. I think we've got to give big credit to Pickford there, having me for the save and Shakirae. Fantastic save. It keeps you up, because a lot of people, not a lot, but I've seen some people digging them out on Twitter and atting them and calling them, blaming them and bladi bladi. I remember that. You can't keep us in the game at that stage. But you're right, but after that, after that initial 20-25 minutes, I thought we started to dominate the periods of the game, saying we dominated the whole game, because quite obviously we didn't. We had periods of the game where we would have seen Gomez start to dance. I mean, you just can't get the ball off them, can you? He's so strong. Gomez sucking the clean. He still will find a way. At times, yes, he was like, oh, shit, he's got fat. He's right there. And he managed to find a way out and get it moving again. It's like a magnet, the ball. He just doesn't give the possession away. It's just fine. I think what Gomez does really well is he gives them a check and makes it look like they've got a chance of taking it off them. He sucks players in and then moves the ball on and that opens up the space for other players and that's what he's real. I mean, we've got to get him nailed down. I know there's been a lot of reports that we are and there's also reports that we're looking at other players, but I think it would be a travesty if we didn't get him nailed down. I think to be honest, all indications are he wants to stay as well. I think it'll be done. You look at other players and you go weak. We're looking at that and don't believe it. Leon Knight, he looks a big pat. He's not the same player as Gomez and he's someone who would take that. You can get someone like that. A winger who's quick, you can pick them up. Someone like Gomez. You can't. You can tell off them all the talking amongst on the TV and stuff and Red Naps salivating over them and Soon S is going, oh, he's a better player because before the game it was all yeah, be a 3-0 deliver pull this and after the game it was, well, that time it was like, oh, who are these? You know? Guy and everyone at 7 o'clock on now. And then at the game it was all like, oh, this is a good player, but if they don't watch themselves they'll lose him to someone. You know, that kind of like, patting us on the head but you won't keep it because you're not going to... That's the fear though, that's the air fear. Not our fear, that's the air fear that's ever coming. And we've got, let's listen, all joke and all stick and everything else are said from different people. We are a serious side. We are building a serious team. He's key, he's absolutely key to getting tired down. He was magnificent yesterday. Bernard for me yesterday honestly. Bernard was the best. The amount of time he pulled the ball down. He danced beyond two or three plays. He worked hard, he was getting tackles in. He cut them open. Because of players like that we were able to go there and do, I mean, we just been getting hammered off camera. But one of the things, one of the most biased of the reds said definitely after PSC the best team to come to Ramfiel this season. And honestly getting any kind of compliments off them is like... Do you know what I mean? And I even think everything, in all fairness everything can play better than that. That was never beef. 100% yeah. How many times did we get in to a goal cut score and position and just fluff the lines? I think it was about four or five times where it was like it's almost one-on-one goal-scoring opportunity. We had the one, even after the Gomez one, Whitford-Charleson and the Welco. Whitford-Charleson when he dances in. Great ball. And he's in. He drops the shot and you're thinking I think he should have hit him with his right foot. He does fan-dike comfortably. But then he loses his foot and he goes down. And it's all lucky. But even then you're thinking to yourself what chances are we getting in the faces. And it's a completely different evidence side from what came to Onfield last year which is why they've almost made up with. I think that's our biggest problem at the moment. I've said it the last couple of weeks. I don't think... The complete area this team is is that we don't score enough goals. We just don't score enough goals. We don't have enough shots, we don't make enough chances and you look at the talent we've got. And that with Charleson was a perfect example of signs where you can see that he's not a centre forward. He's two. I don't know, he wants to do something more before just pulling the trigger. And you just centre forward and wouldn't do that. Sorry, even the one where we break, it's a great ball Michael Keane of this. Steps out, beats three of the men and plays one of those impact passes. It takes seven plus six players out the game to Walcott. Walcott plays a lovely little ball to the Charleson and he's like slaw. Instead of it, he waits and he ends up kicking the playing with bobbles back and you think you've got... you're in front of the cop with the ball. I mean he's seen a Bamiang just before an hour earlier with the exact same chance and he just did it first time. That's the difference between where they're at. That's exactly... with Charleson is more like a... He's a more like a performer. He wants to he wants to do certain things and he's not a centre forward and the manager has to make him a centre forward and I've got no problem with that and I've seen to this before it's great that we've formed five ones down the line and we'll talk about imagine if we had this striker we'd be a brilliant team. That's where we are now and I know that the hardest thing is to find that striker. If we did find that. But you know what, the last strikers out there would batashire. He'd fit into this team perfectly and people might say he's the absolute top quality but he is quality and with the quality round we'd make enough chances for him that he would just take so much. But he'd take so many... That's what I'm saying. We could get him now we could have got him in the summer. We're talking like we haven't got the dawn a director of footballs it's melanchreaton but we're like the Milt Rayman he'll be all over that. We've all said it off camera and people watching this will have said the same thing to themselves. It's like we are further ahead on in this project than what we actually are. It's the third of December today when we're recording it now it's the third of December it's going up today and we're in the top six. We're in the top six. We've won one away game we've won one away game but we've dominated the rational and should have won. We should have got a point at Old Trafford. I don't think we should have won at Old Trafford I don't think we did enough to win but we didn't deserve to lose. We got a good point at Chelsea we should have got a point yesterday in Anfield. For me we are ahead I want us to be able to compete and to start looking like a good football side by now. It's a bit of a promise and all that. Now I'm looking at it and thinking we are a serious team. There's more than just a centre direction now. There's more than just a centre direction. Look at the latter who don't even get in the 18. They were our first. I said last week they were our first team last season not even in the 18 going to Anfield. Anyway we went in at half time we had had those chances that you say and we had a couple of half chances that you should have took. I thought they started at the first 15 minutes at the second half really well we were on the ropes without being on the ropes if that makes sense. It felt like Chelsea it felt like the opposition coming at us but we have a really good shape now we actually become a 4-4-2 we do yeah we come a 4-4-2 Seigarton pushes right up and make sure that the defenders coming out don't have time on the ball to come out and we have two banks of four and we're a really nice bloch and it worked for a while yesterday as well it worked most of the time it was just little chances that they got little mistakes the real opportunity was Marnie which really again was keen just making a mistake he kicked the air out of the ball that's a little mistake that happens in a game of football and he gets in but we do enough meaner comes across the goal he makes himself big and we do enough to put him off that was really the only cut it was the only one he had in the second half he had a couple of fists across the box but so did we we had exactly the same thing I think Marco Silva was right in his pouch match we grew into the game and after the hour we were in control of the game I think he made the decision at the right time to take the ball cut off he brought Luchman on Luchman started dancing we had that one where he comes inside but he just went through you think he's not done the skate that Robertson who did all rave didn't have a great game he was too occupied with who he was marking same as Trent he never brought him back he left him there he wasn't going the other way he put a great ball his crosses were fantastic but defensively he was all over the place and to be fair I done a tactical thing with Christian the Redman last week and he said if you're going to cause his problems he'll be at him because he's defensively all over the place and he was Bernard at them everywhere do you not think though I think there's a couple of little things that stood out I don't think we use the right hand side enough Cullman Cullman and whoever's walk-off I think we tend to favour the left hand side far too much I think we have to start very roughly I think because I think Dean put the ball on his get it run stop and comes back look at Dean doesn't do it get it out of his feet and even him he did a lot of balls if you look at our crosses I think we've done 240 8 crosses I think he was in the Premier League yesterday I'll be amazed if we done more than 3 or 4 because we just we got into them areas and it was slower it's pointless the strong crosses there was twice in the second half and Bernard and Dean we pulled Liverpool out and I suppose there was an argument for Putton's y entwch well this was an attack going on the sum of the subs I think he made the sub for the luck of my mum no no but then I thought the next one they were just far too late because Calvallu came on with 86 minutes and it just thought we'd stopped attacking at that point with that one we'd been out and put it wide but we'd stopped affecting the game we'd almost settled for a point and some would say it's it I mean I know the changes are striking on a centre back but we'd settled for a point at that point it was 0-0 exactly and I think that was done but if you bring Calvallu on earlier I was looking at the second half and seeing how much more of the ball they had Richarlison as a centre forward again he's not holding the ball so it's great that he's running back and he's taking the ball off storage sorry on the edge of their box and stuff like that but I don't want my centre forward there I want my centre forward up front holding the ball, making them train and he did do that a couple of times I've given that but he gives you a part if you've got a centre forward you can do that it gives you a platform to build on and I think Dominic Calvalluon can do that and I would have brought him on maybe with 70 minutes and said to Bernard you've played well get Richarlison on the left and get out of Calvallu on the front who's the 8th by the way you know that to me would have been the change cos Calvalluon would have done that job to bring other people in so you get to 85 minutes and Richarlison's running around so he's tired you're bringing fresh legs on it's going to take more than 5 minutes to settle into a game of football you can't do much in fact exactly you can't do anything and you've settled into it players are not going to go oh, Dominic Calvalluon is on the pitch I'll start in the corners or whatever and that to me is where I think Silver can get, has got to start it's trust loading anything but I think the zoom of one the only poor amount cos Dey Broth Dey Broth Dey Broth, the best in the ass on didn't he in the reagi he's absolutely garbage the kid but he'll get goals off his ass that's why he's zooming off cos he'd left me in and had me a little bit that's why I could get that one Calvalluon should have been 10 minutes earlier it should have been a centre forward because Richarlison wasn't playing up front and Liverpool were there as the game was going on there was gaps, Van Dijk was letting people running behind and we weren't doing anything with the ball so there was gaps a bit there was gaps a bit and that Gomez would do one good thing Joe Gomez, not Andre one good thing and then be all over the place the next round and he got it so that's probably where we could have we could have sucked the game a bit more and that would be my only thing with Silver at the moment is people just won't walk on all these but the subs for me when you can trust though he's obviously got a set of 11 that he really likes and thinks that's the team he wants but apart from luck man I don't see Chelsea's not getting near the pitch it's those little things you're not trusting anyone else now you don't trust anybody I think he did it well in the Palace game when Calvallu and the Toast came on I think it's such a bino but yesterday I agreed it was too late and you've got to look at that situation you've got to look at what Ratialyson does through the middle obviously that's why he's playing obviously Dominic Calvalluwan isn't doing what he wants him to do Towson can't in certain games but then again I trust you and Towson before the other two with the baller has feet 8 yards out more than Ratialyson, more than Calvalluwan you know Don's great for getting it and stuff and maybe if we'd have put him in and you're right they ate him they'd have probably been ass probably would have gone if he'd got any run into the box because of what happened last year and stuff like that so that might have been the right decision Bernard was playing, I think the only thing is Bernard was still affecting the game and doing a job so I think his only choice would have been Ratialyson or Bernard to take off so I don't know whether he but you've got to make those decisions you've got to make those decisions even though Bernard was playing really well I'd have probably took Bernard off 10 minute earlier but Ratialyson back on the left because he's still going to run up and down and then add a full and it probably would have been Calvalluwan to be honest because he's quick and you can get in the way the game was going it was crying out for that sort of focal point one of that centre four that you just wanted to just go the both though sorry I forgot about the oedig that was the best chance of the second half and that come from a set piece it was a flick head and it landed to him and he should have scored he was 2 yards out with an open goal for us to go make sure because you're right we defended everything perfectly but they were there for the taking as well but both teams were kind of not over committing I mean they had Salah throwing himself down looking at the ref for the penalty when Gomez brushed and then Sturridge diving in the box which he should have been booked for the ref was hoping to get up it was embarrassing throwing yourself down and all Ratialyson does it as well but then they were securing Salah and the thought of the referee don't touch your telly or your laptop or whatever or your phone, this is real and the thought of the referee had a good game and probably I've got a bit of a temperate because I'm still having the cover from Pickford but the thought of the referee refereed the game very well for Adabi I thought he was excellent there was a lot of talk going into it don't get me wrong it wasn't a hard game to referee there was no nasty far the only kickoff was what in the 80-90 minutes something like that or even after that but he refed it really well he didn't let the game get to him and I thought he had an excellent game he just I think a couple of times they tried to make it a bit dirty he was a bit of a trend in the court no doubt about that Rob O as well for me and James that's what we usually do the labour first thing but that's what we did well yesterday is that we played the game we played our own game no matter what anyone says listen we've gone there and Reds are saying and maybe it's a bit of the old pat you're on the end nonsense but if they're saying we're the second best side that's gone there this season then they're probably saying it because they mean it they wouldn't give you steam off the piss let's be honest with them they wouldn't give you anything so if they're saying that and we had a go we had chances if that game was finishing 0-0 we'd be sitting going I can't believe go and miss that chance we should have won it and we should have done this and we should have done that at the end of the day it should have been a draw they didn't deserve to win it we didn't deserve to win it we had chances they probably had a couple more chances maybe not clay cut that's the difference I think in the two teams we didn't have to win it so our mentality was almost like well we'll just see this out for then they had to win it and that's why they just went for it at the end by putting all those straight in us because only five points if they draw that game five points plus that goal difference is two games two games that they'd have to win more than Man City and even at this stage you can't even see that happening that was a huge victory and loads of people have talked about how much they celebrated clop and all that you know what I'd celebrate like that I'd celebrate like clop I'd celebrate like that event and I'd just scored any game in the 97th minute I don't care what game is I'd celebrate like that but they obviously thought they needed to win that game more than we needed to win it which is just life isn't it at the end of the day we wouldn't have thrown we wouldn't have thrown everything at the end to get to win the game we just wouldn't do it because we can go we'll take a point and that's alright we've gone to a big top four team got a point come on next two games of their own that we should be winning if we feel like we're going to finish top six and that's alright first that's how we build but for then that was huge and you could see that and ultimately that's why they've thrown for it what did you make of what did you make of clop celebration my thing is it doesn't ask me we scored in the 96th minute and you did won the game that doesn't bother me excepty before the nonsense cheerleading that he feels yesterday because he was probably he probably had that planned for the last 10 minutes okay if we score now I think I'm going to run to the halfway line because then we're on sky so Sky will pick that up he would have had that planned like 10 minutes before and no-one sets off like that I don't buy it I don't buy it I'm not asked about it to be fair because I wish that we would do that do you know what I mean? but it's the way he comes out and he says oh I just got really passionate and ran on you're a professional football manager of a top flight team and you've lost your shit in the last 10 seconds and you know run on and that's acceptable he loves it, he loves it that's their sort of culture he loves all that I've got listen, they've just won a dab the thing why it was making me laugh the way he was celebrating and they were all on in a hudl and he was in the middle of it it's in December, the first week in December and B, just come out and admit that you've made up beaters and we are your rivals I've got no issue then if you actually come out and go that's the same shit, that's sound go on social media and see what it means that's what it means don't bullshit anyone by going we're not asked about you we're not relevant, we are relevant and we're well seen how relevant we are yesterday I thought he said something about that celebration Neil Lennon, who I think was Hibs Against Rangers nearly got arrested for running down nearly got arrested for running down and death threats this was the funniest thing Michael Silver was like what, what till a break and they were like but he said he's apologised to you no he hasn't apologised to me because I don't even know what he'd be apologising for so he's a like it but I'm not at a listen forget that now it's done let's talk about the goal number one right, before we get into the goal so four minutes go upright so this isn't not going to complain about how much time it was at a don because it should have been at a don Ghan is sitting on the pitch holding his bollocks for what reason get up and play the rest at the end of the game you're just adding time to the end of the game that's one thing they're annoying me the other thing they're annoying me is we had the ball by our fans we had the ball in the 94th minute and he gave it to Liverpool but no one protests, no one kicks off and we let them get out it's the kind of scene I'm coming back, carry on talking I don't even know where he's going where's he going? I'm bringing props in I don't even know what he's doing but anyway it was our throw in it was our throw in Trent kicked it out and because he went like that to the challenge it was our throw in and we let him get out of that area and that won't annoy me more than anything it's the last minute of the game you just want to see the game out there shouldn't be any problems and we've just let them get out and that's just I'm not going to say it's unforgivable but it's so poor from us that's why it was a little more frustrating we had the ball it was our throw in and now I'm going to show it he gave it to them and he gives you free kick here no one can see that though you can see it in a minute where are you? you haven't got a camera up there I'm showing it he gives you free kick here and what should happen is Adam all the luckman couldn't win ahead of it he was just me and him and I just gave him the ball he couldn't have the ball the size of him but he goes and stands in this melee with all their players no one there's the ball nobody is here Alison runs up here knocks it short of Trent and he just throws it in if we've got luckman here that becomes a ball that is then cleared because he puts a lovely crossing which we clear not better to open the air and change away and disgust but it's this and you know this it's a giant margin then it's a basic kit I'm telling you now there's kids on a Sunday in injury time who will go and stand on that ball as kids will just go don't give them a clear thing no you're right we always have things that people forget that delay when they were in school like standing in front of the ball you're right, luckman should have just gone over there and stood in front of that free kick that's what should happen but we all ping back get to the farthest point we can and then just sit there that would have been Alison would have had to knock that or one of their players knocked a big 50 yard ball which one of our players would have had to do it in the referee would have blown it every blow is full time it doesn't the player down he whips it in it feels like we always make excuses about us not doing enough people might disagree but that's amazing don't let them take a sure free kick which changes the angle of the ball cos we defend the brilliantly of course they won't let you take your free kick they wouldn't give you a fucking echo don't be the thing stand on it 94th minute the ball's in that area in front of our fans and you're just thinking how does it get down there we give a silly I don't know I think it might need CSI to piece all this together because I still don't know the physics of how this happened it's to me it's the ball, I don't know I think it's literally the difference of his fingers on that ball isn't it, if it's the ball he's catching it if his hands are not, let's just say if his hand isn't there where does that ball go I think it just bounces on to the back that's what I think it's almost like he's looked at it forgot about it and then looked back and gone oh shit where's this going because he's completely forgot about everything that's going on around him where if he's fully concentrating on the game and I've said this loads of times about Jordan Pippin he's a great goalie but he's too cocky he's far too cocky well day 2 sorry Manchester City away, I remember going to Manchester City away and he kept on, because boss kicks everywhere and then he kept on going to his right foot and he tries to do the kick on on his right foot as well as his left foot but he tries it every time there's no caution, it's just I'm as good as I want to be bang bang bang and you're like Jordan what are you doing lad you're 24 years of age calm down a little bit and I know everyone loves that cockiness oh what are you going to do next if he doesn't really this for me was almost a moment when it was like I'm just going to you know what I'll take me cap if I had a cap on I'd take me cap off and catch it and it's it's like he loses it and then doesn't quite understand where he is and as we're saying what happens if he just let it go over it'll just probably hit the bar rolls off the back of the net, he goes and collects it so he's decided oh no I'm going to have to tip this over so he says he gets his handcote on the bar but I think what what done him actually, what really done him was when the ball hits the bar he thinks he's going to get it and then it hits the bar again and he's on the floor then because he dives it that's what I'm saying he thinks it's coming down the first time it hits the bar again and then that puts him on the deck every week he's got it tapping and you just it's like when you just think can we just put my hand in that please because and you're looking in that moment you're thinking it'll be this laugh for something for something it went out it seems like you wouldn't would you because the game's over, the game's finished there's a famous one it reminds me of this famous thing that happened in baseball a few years ago there's like a documentary about it and basically it's I think it was the cubs and there's a big case on them or something like that and it's in the last game and they're winning by so many and someone hits a ball and it's going into the stand for it for a lads going to catch it and this lads comes out the crowd and it's his team and he grabs the ball as they're about to catch it and it just changes everything they go on to lose the game lose the world series and that lad got death threats and had to change his name he was dead to me and they had to keep him in the ground for the angels the police were outside there's a big massive group of people like Melita Bay and all this thing just to get this one laugh and that's all I can think of it's like a death famous moment in baseball and that's all I can think about was just this little thing that had changed the direction of everything this one moment of just madness that had changed the whole direction and you just can't take it back and you just think life would just be so much easier we just got a point at Anfield we'd be sitting in sixth you know we're going into the next game where we've played brilliantly there but everything changed in that moment we go from saying we should have won that and we played brilliantly and see we're not little old ever anymore we're getting in, we're sitting in we've got all the same excuses because of that one tiny moment you just can't make it up, you cannot you're honest to God, you cannot make it up you really can't I'd say it's unbelievable but it is believable how many times this sort of thing happened I've met in uni, they're from the Midlands and everything and they went to watch it and they texted me saying how much do you feel now and I was like mate, this is not a new this is what happens to us, we're Evertonians and this is what we expect that's not good though is it I was like mate, this is what I told you you've got the open pick for coming out it's the case of Everton at Anfield players players really be talking like that news being in his ear telling him it's just the luck two years on the run he's dropped a clang at a loser he's just a dabby the FA Cup last year, he came out where little arms came from he came out for something he shouldn't have done but that's like I just think for me, listen I love him it's gone now as far as I'm concerned but I just think I don't understand what his rationale was it's going there, I don't know why he didn't just touch it over and go we'll defend the corner like we have all day I sort of do because it's the last minute why is it time to catch it it's just absolutely seen his ass and it's coming down, it's going over I need to do something normally he's quite good at it he's tried to do something I don't think he's tried to do what he's said he tried to do he said he tried to tip it over and he's handed the bar you tip a ball over the bar I think he's let it go in terms of he's looked at it and thought this is going over the bar and it's the last minute because I might be wrong but I think everything about a goalkeeper is all about where you are on the pitch, it's like wife for years remember goalies used to scrape the line down in the middle, no but that's what I'm saying so if you don't know where you are because you are for a moment lost in the moment, oh it's going over the bar I don't need to worry about this and then suddenly you go it's not and then you don't know where you are then you don't know where the it's like a strike away they always say the goal never moves it's the other way if he doesn't know exactly where he is everything changes and if he thinks he's a little bit fair that I can just tip it over then suddenly he's handed it in the bar he just gets it wrong for me because he hasn't been focused enough in that last minute and again with football you have to be focused from the beginning to the end and he's lost focus so he's lost focus when Bandai Shindig but you don't talk keepers top keepers don't do that and you will get to a point in your career where that becomes automatic but how many times have we seen goal keepers just don't they don't do anything for ages so they are bouncing around and they're doing all these like almost like concentrating exercises that's one thing I think Jordan's just got to start as he gets old and gets more mature he's just it doesn't happen very often he's a great goalkeeper but I just think for that moment he's lost focus and he's done it to the night he was a bear with him a ball went back to him and he just went like that to get it rolled under his legs and it was in the hand he was keeping it against the villa we've seen the one he did it for England and people called him on that we've seen there are things actually where it's like you've over done I think focus is the biggest thing for a goalkeeper the concentration isn't completely on it they will make mistakes so it's just I can't explain it it was so bizarre it was just so he was watching it and thinking to himself why us but do you know what it's not just him it's not just him it's not just him as such because the only person the only person who's alive whether you think he's a good player or not the only person who's alive to anything I'm going to and he got his rewards for it and it's horrible as that is our defenders have switched off as well they've all gone to bed no one's gone back and gone just in case this drops down because if someone else is dead he rescued that don't forget even if Pickford does we've got a defender there it's not as straightforward for a league the other 21 players on the pitch didn't have a clue what was going on and it just so happened that he was there at the moment and that was the difference that's credit to him isn't it it's obviously a heartbreaking way to lose the game as well as this is a lad who hasn't played since the beginning of last season he hasn't kicked the ball for Liverpool and you just see him come on you're just there looking at the telly art and you think to yourself this is written in the stars it's written in the stars well it is but I mean obviously we lose the game but looking at it it's bigger for me we went to Anfield last season I can't believe I spoke to Andy Gray we spoke to Andy Gray in the summer and he said all of that shouldn't have been there after that so I can't believe there was even a debate or a discussion to talk about the fact that we got a point at Anfield last season have we gone backwards did he actually say have we gone backwards no I watched that video I don't think it's as bad as people are making out I think it's just a snippet I've seen other people making the same comments I think people have watched that we got a point last year and they've lost this year I think that's just lobbed in to cause trouble but if you listen to that Andy Gray actually says how well we played on the day it's just lobbed in it's nonsense even the hold what I'm saying is last year we sat here and we done the final word we just got a point to Anfield because we thought we were gonna get battered because we were battered in every month 6 or 7 and we drew this year we've lost so effectively we were a point where often we would have been if Pickford had touched it over but the way we played we looked like a team we went to Anfield we went toe to toe with them there was absolutely no inferiority complex there was no game there was no we'll just try and hang on in here we were trying to win that game exactly like Silver said and that's been the thing for me all season we've tried to win every single game we've played are we a bit short at the moment yeah we are but we're getting it and we can see what the problem is and I have no doubt that Brands Silver will rectify that that's the thing if you are playing a Satan style and you can go what do we need to send forward or we need this or we need that if long as it fits into the style Silver said this before the game he said it's not about this game it's about going to these places regularly and doing this it's not a one off game and the guy said what would that Aledais have done if he had the money it's a matter of fact it doesn't matter what happens we sat here and watched bleeding that 2000 2001 2002 video the day didn't we when we got a point day you know on Radinsky's score and the Nelford score it's not like we haven't been there and got points before and that's great but what do you want do you want those moments in isolation I've seen us win Darby's and then the next game get beat by Sheffield United things like that on the next couple of games we've got two on games now let's go if we play like that we should be able to win them I said last week before the I said just after the card of game on up before the card of game I said we've got a card for the home new cast for the home and waffer the home and Liverpool's in the middle of it if we come out of that with nine points and yes I'd have loved to have won on Amfield of course the point would have been sound but if we come out of the nine points out of the three on games that's more important to our season if we've got to draw yesterday and then drew it new castle there being a point where it's often if we lose yesterday and beat new castle so I think to be honest the way it's happened is horrendous but I think it will galvanise everybody for Wednesday and I think Wednesday I think the atmosphere will be electric and I think we'll come out and these players will want to ram it down new castles throughout it's weird because I feel like people are asked at the same time because there's still such an air of confidence and they know that that's the difference isn't the same with that one moment you walk away and we were brilliant today we've got a tangible result there's nothing tangible we play really well but to them there's nothing tangible you've got to beat it again it doesn't matter how well you play and that's hard on a Monday morning when you've got to wake or go to school whatever you've got, that's hard because I've done it myself we've won Darby's that we had no right to win and it doesn't matter what they say or how well they play the way they are in the league if you go and that's the nature of Darby's that's the thing isn't it it's that one moment in your season where at the end of the season you can go where we are about to be but we won the Darby's I just look down now of course I look down but I look down because people are not they're not gracious in victory there'll be some people who are but there's a lot of reds I wouldn't be anyone around here with a picture of whatever's going on we've been doing this for years now and we haven't beat them and every time they beat us they give us shit for it but we didn't lose a Darby in the league last season and I feel better today looking at our club looking at the way we play looking at the plays we've got and looking at the future and going this is a real we went there yesterday the fans wouldn't give them a stand at the end we got beat by all mill the fans were there fucking clapping because we'd gone for the first time probably the last time we beat them realistically but I don't even think we played that great that night I think it was the last time the last time when we got two draws in a week the last time that we felt we felt like we probably could have beat them but I don't think since we've really had a chance we haven't had any chance if you look at it any time since we haven't we've scraped the draw with the Jacks even though the draw was probably the right result that day scraped the draw with a wonder goal other than that and even when they're moeys and we've gone and it's always been we're back for them this standing well that was the 2-2 that was it well other than that a lot of moeys was damage limitation but when we beat them we batted them and you know things like that that night we should have beat them and that was the shame we missed an open goal at 1-0 10 seconds later they equalized like you were saying off camera before fans you want to play them again don't you you want to play them again I've got no fear I looked at them yesterday we are a pro it's not because they've got some fabulous footballers they really have but it's a baros and for the first time for a while I looked at our team and go it is starting to be a baros that game is in isolation almost for me we can go toe-to-toe it isn't one game we could have spanked five at Arsenal four at United three at Chelsea and gone there but it's the performances I think the most important thing is that you look at the team now and you go where a couple of players off being a good side you can see what it is already you look at Arsenal like you said before you look at the sense of awe it's affecting the game that's the difference it's like if we had a sense of awe you really affected the game as much as I like with Charleston I don't think I don't think he ever really worried van Dijk that too many times it's not going to get you 20 plus goals because you drift wide that's what I'm saying so you want a sense of awe all he cares about is scoring goals all he cares about is scoring goals all he cares about is other things working hard and being creative just being a general pest and just getting on the ball and doing things with other people at some point and this is going to be the hardest thing now getting a sense of awe but it's like you said before you can be busy you can be quick and the Charleston can go wide and then all of a sudden you've got a ladw you're playing up front you've got six goals into that wide area you can get 10 and 11 if you then throw someone through the middle you'll score you the goals you know all of a sudden wallcots battling to get in the side you know wallcots who come 12 months ago and we were all made up and he's a boss player he's not playing great but he's still a boss player on his shoulder and then gilfy because Benar can actually play in his position all of a sudden you're piecing that team and going well we've got to bring wallcots in this week so the Charleston you have to sit on I think it all comes back down to the fact that we all feel that we're ahead of schedule it's the third of December Silver's been here what you've got to hear in the summer you think to yourself you mentioned how you just wanted this season to be about getting a direction, a sense of where we're going next season kick on but you know I think we can't be too disheartened at all we really can't I know we haven't been winning at these grounds but even this early on there's a consistency to our play there's a consistency to how we're approaching these games we lost 2-nil ar Arsenal but one of the goals shouldn't have stood we've lost 2-nil at United Drivers Chelsea we've lost 1-nil at Liverpool so no-one's been able to give us a hiding and it's not like in any of the games you've come out and gone you've got a bit of hiding West Ham beat us 3-1 it's our heaviest defeat and the chances we missed that day we had 20 attempts a day at 8 so in general the pattern has been like that all of us I'm sure I don't know you very well obviously but I'm sure all of us would have bitten anyone's hand off on 10th of August day 4 of the season started if someone would have gone usually in the top 6 in December all gone thank you we just think about it like that I think the thing with this Derby is there's 2 ways of looking at it the way you're looking at it Derby's gone by this again can't believe this has happened again but then the other side of it we're going somewhere you can't be too dissatant but you can't the good thing is we've got a game in 2 days that's massive the other way to look at it is with a piece of cement and just threw me something that's the way to look at it I'd have no goodness I just look and go we've got Newcastle Wednesday this could have been an international break 2 weeks of stew we could have safety away on Wednesday we've got Newcastle at home I imagine if we'd be Newcastle and Burnley just fluke a win against them in 3 days we're going to be like you know Derby that's what they do what I'm saying is the stick we're taking today can quickly be reversed I just want to beat Newcastle and we'll all pick 6 points, Newcastle, Wafford and they'll be 2 difficult games but the 2 games you can win the 2 games you've got to win you're right you can't beat these 2 you can't beat these 2 at home we need to ditch this idea that we can beat them we will beat them how many times have you been there before now I can't get behind anyone it's just we will beat them the way you will you might have been in the future you don't know to be fair got a hakel from the future some people have commented this train these are definitely from the future not them on the other ones they were very matty they might be looking and going they might tell you free one why do you think reds keep walking past that door why do you think do you think we're going to be sitting here like crying in circles please, if there's any justice let Sam Vogue's fucking score only so we can just record the final word after Newcastle in peace you know what I mean we came in after the PSC game and we barely said the word I didn't say a word to any of them until we started everything we said to each other was in French we were in the Bapu map I had this big baguette that I just had in English I was coming on the album it took me ages to get on my bike like that with a big carrot to the Tegas in my hand I was writing three days after the game kick heads because there was later in as well for that just to put a thing on it's done, listen it's hard but we've got a game in a couple of days and we are definitely moving forward without a shadow of a doubt there won't be many darbies or there certainly hasn't been in the past where we've lost so cruelly and we sat here yet going you know what we are definitely moving forward the results hasn't worked out but realistically we're a point waste off aren't we but it's been improved again that we are definitely this year we're definitely making huge strides January's next month just sound honest that's the thing but I'm not sure if we've got golems and a sense of forward on loan in January who's quick and bright and it's someone who you can go you know what but Charleston's not really doing it today but we've got Barb Hausser on the bench he can come on not for everywhere else once we do that we'll take another let me know what you think in the comments section below is it are you ever in that you will be gutted so it's stupid to even say but despite the results are you still feeling as positive as we're trying to be in this room despite having a lot of happy reds and walking past them in the wave into us there's a tube station in here though I hate to go on it's just like people's tube station it's like a fucking airport I'm surprised they didn't do like it online anyone flying back to Ireland I don't know we just come to our studio and just walk you've paid us to walk past it's been on 30 so I feel like they've all they've had us keep walking past but they keep walking past and they've been bathing good day to you sir I just look down and there's a fucking Viking walking past it's weird where have you got that off from there you go let us know what you think don't forget to subscribe it takes a second get us to 30k load the reds off fully enough load the reds they've subscribed they've subscribed well done and I know there will be a large number of reds watching this show and what did you think I know you made up and you'll probably throw your hands in and all that but realistically just take the all roasts into glasses off as a game what did you think of evidence performance did you think it was the best evidence side 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