 Metro areas big country a big city, but the downtown area is always the fifth largest metropolitan area in the world 25 million people And number one is Tokyo Tokyo. Okay It's a Tokyo Shanghai Jakarta, Delhi and Seoul are the top five interesting No wonder smartphones are going the way that they're going. Yeah, New York is Yeah, cuz once you get past the top five, then you've got a lot of Chinese cities I mean Shanghai is number two, but Guangzhou is number seven Beijing's eight Shenzhen is ten. I love Shenzhen Yeah, it's just one of my absolute favorites is that's the last place I ended up when I went to China and I basically just trekked my way south until I hit the border and then at Shenzhen You can literally walk across the border into Hong Kong Jump on the train and take it all the way down to the bay and Hong Kong is just its own delight Everybody with a US passport should go to Hong Kong at least once you don't need a visa or anything You can show up. I think for 90 days on any US passport And it is just like the Bay Area, but a little more expensive Well, that's good to know because and I'm not sure how the rules have changed But I was in China in for the first time in 2006 and getting a visa was not I Mean it wasn't just it. Yeah turnstile operation. It took some work name your family members. Oh It was an interesting document to fill out for that, but I still have a I still have part of a 10-year visa left so I can Head back I actually do too for from Tech crunch a few years ago a DTS from there sure won't be a problem with internet. Let's do it. Bring your masks Depends where you're at to the air quality change. Yeah, totally The first time I was in Beijing I've been there twice in the first time there was I mean it was sort of a magical fun week The second time it was pretty smoggy like to the point where it was like You didn't really want to be outside at all, but they were very different. It wasn't like that both times. I I've heard from friends who've been there that Shanghai is the place to go and that Shenzhen is cool otherwise, it's kind of Hit or miss They both of I mean as far as Shenzhen goes It's changed so much in the last 10 years let alone 20 Every time you go there, it's gonna be something different. It's not that small town. It used to be Metropolis, but the maker community within Shenzhen blew me away. I mean they have maker fairs there Everyone's riding electric this and that Pretty amazing. I really I could see why people are so attracted to that It's one of those special economic zones So it's it doesn't give you the flavor of other other smaller cities But and I would say the same thing for Shanghai Shanghai and Beijing and Shenzhen are kind of unique in the sense that those are very catered toward Western visitors or outsiders coming in where There's always had a history of that. I mean that's it was called the Paris of the East up until World War two and my my grandmother's was born right outside of Shanghai She speaks at the Shanghai knees did she pass away the Shanghai knees dialect, but it's a very interesting look because culturally and they they have a very elevated sense of of Culture compared to other large Chinese cities like Beijing's considered to be a little more Kind of like the Chicago to New York in a how I felt leaving Beijing I was like this this totally reminds me of like the drive-out to O'Hare or something Notting the whole time, but then that last day I was in Beijing had one of those crazy bad air quality days and Where nobody could go outside it hit it hit in the 400s on the 2.5 Micron meter thingy for air quality index and that right now is the equivalent of what's going on in Sacramento With the fires going in California and just all of that smoke just tunneling its way right here to the Bay Area Well folks, we should get going here Are you sure Tom? No, just kidding. Let's do it. I'm pretty sure no You know, we're all here. It's good to check. All right ready. Here we go four three Two one Thanks to everyone who supports independent tech news Directly if you're not already become a DTS member at patreon.com slash DTNS I'm gonna do that again Because I had Eastmeats West up from last night and I started recording that as an Eastmeats West Understood All right, so you sorry for the repetition in four three two one Thanks to everyone who supports independent tech news directly if you're not already become a DTN as member at patreon.com slash DTNS This is the Daily Tech news for Friday November 16th. Happy birthday mom 2018 in Los Angeles. I'm Tom Merritt and from studio feline I am Sarah Lane and I'm the show's producer Roger Joining us today very happy to have from AVXL.com and Heron Fidelity comm Robert Heron back on the show How's it going man? Oh, it's going good Tom. Thank you so much Thank you for being here. Robert's going to bless us with his wisdom as he does so often About what TVs we might want to try to get which I know is like just a slice of what you do But you're so good at it. Hey, I pay attention to that stuff and I'll try to slide in a projector or two two Because all right everyone should at least consider it not a slide projector, but a projector tell of it exactly All right, let's start with a few tech things you should know Facebook messenger is internally testing synchronized video viewing over group chat So a new watch videos together feature found in the apps code describes messengers ability to tap to watch together now and Chat about the same videos at the same time with chat thread members receiving notifications when others join in as well The unsealing of some filings in an otherwise unrelated US criminal case revealed that US prosecutors have Confidentially brought charges against Julian Assange the filings were made in August in the eastern district of Virginia They were unsealed last month But noticed on Thursday or at least he tweeted on Thursday that he had noticed them by George Washington University faculty member Seamus Hughes All right, let's talk a little bit about a big problem Sarah Yeah, I'll say boxhawks is a company if you haven't heard Converts codes from other companies so things like phone number verification or to factor off codes Into readable text messages sort of a man in the middle if you will for certain companies security researcher Sebastian called discovered a server With a real-time text messaging database from boxhawks was not password protected The database was configured with a cabana front end making it easy for anybody to access and search the contents of the database Which included phone numbers and test the text message contents themselves Kind of a big deal boxhawks took the database offline after being contact about with the issue by TechCrunch who wrote up the synopsis Yeah, so if you didn't quite follow that let me repeat what Sarah just said The company that handles turning your two-factor authentication codes into a text message that you get so you can log in Had their server available without a password So using a search engine not Google but a search engine specifically for this sort of thing Sebastian call was able to find that server and log into it and see because of the cabana front end and Any messages that were passing through there? That's the reason people say don't use text messaging as a second factor. Please companies Because it is less secure than other methods and this this usually they're talking about some kind of hijacking of SMS But but this is even worse Because until this was offline We're not sure if anybody took advantage of it or not But somebody could have easily gotten in there and used it to hack into your accounts that otherwise would have been two-factor authentication protected Well, especially because a company like this works with a variety of other companies, right? So it's not just one company that says okay, we've had a breach, you know, we'll figure it out You know, let's let's figure out the messaging. This is potentially many companies that use this exact method of of offering to FA texts to their users Yeah, in fact, if you look he was using show Dan if you're curious about the search engine That's the search engine meant to help you find open servers so that you can make sure that they you tell them that they shouldn't They shouldn't be open But TechCrunch, you know put together a list. They found Cacao talk Viber HQ trivia using the service to verify phone numbers They found shipping notifications from Amazon in there messages that contain Microsoft account password reset codes Huawei ID verification codes. Yahoo. I mean big companies, right? This is not this is not just small potatoes here Robert, how much does this scare you? It annoys me to no end and it would make me wish that if they're gonna send something as critical as a two-factor Authentication to a person they could at least use some sort of a secure app I mean it'd be nice if they ran their own signal server and would just send those messages over signal So even if somebody did intercept it, it would just be an encrypted blob Rather than hey, here's your two-factor login and here's how to get that access to your account or well somebody else's account as well, but yeah Showed a pretty sweet service though for not only finding things like these but also they've revealed like every IoT device out there that has been compromised Oh, here are a hundred thousand webcams that all had admin access left open Yeah, never changed it. It could be a big big deal. So it's a it's a great way I mean yes Mal malicious actors can use it too, but because anybody can use it It's a good way to show what needs to be locked down And that that is an important thing to note Yeah, I don't personally use two-factor on anything. I got really burned with it one time with services So it literally locked me out of my own stuff because well And then Google wouldn't send me the code to my Google voice number until I could Jason hell by that tier 22 and then I said forget that I've got a sweet password manager with Incredibly long passwords that are randomized on everything I do. Don't be like Robert use And I get it like the companies want to do it over text messaging because that's easy to get everyone to use Everybody knows what text messaging is so it's easy to explain and easy to get people to sign up and I suppose it's better than them just using Password as their password with no other factor, right? It's all a matter of what's better than nothing And and what you what your justification is is you're using long complicated passwords But even then what if somebody is able to get your password in plaintext not crack it But somehow it gets leaked out of your control a second factor would be a hedge against that That's that's why I recommend everybody do two-factor and always do an authenticator app Authy or Google authenticator if you can or even a Yubi key if you can because those can't be Intercepted in transit because they don't transit That's what Google's own Offices had done about a year ago or so they actually enabled it. I believe it's a Yubi key product Yeah, I need to use that when she was there not even one breach since they implemented that policy compared to their previous stats which showed that they had a few quite a few actually where people were able to nefariously get their way in but Having that is great. And if you can tie that to an authenticator app That is not SMS or to a hardware device like a Yubi key that that would be the way I'd do it So and you should the cyberspace administration of China announced Thursday it has shut down more than 9,800 social media accounts in a special cleanup operation we chat and weibo were given serious warnings about chaos Caused by the lack of management the removed accounts were accused of politically harmful information But put Facebook in the place of WeChat and Weibo put the US in the place of China Tell me if this sounds familiar accused of politically harmful information being passed along fabricated rumors being passed along Sensationalized headlines causing misunderstandings spreading a vulgar and pornographic content some were also accused of extortion and plagiarism I wanted to make sure to put this in the show today because I think it's interesting that the way people often think about it like Well, we have this problem in Facebook because it's a threat to democracy and we have a problem in China because the government cracks down on people But these concerns are very similar and it's it's important to note where they're similar so that you can actually tell what the real differences are I think Well and the fact that the similarities are you know widely used social networks that have a lot of pull over the you know the sort of The the hive mind of of who's using that network. Yeah, and in China They say we're doing the same thing you are in the US. We're trying to stop fake information We're trying to stop the undermining of our society and to a large extent. They are there are other reasons They also do this that you know, we could get into if we're a political podcast But I think it's interesting to note that this isn't just a problem of Facebook It's a problem of the internet and social media No matter what kind of society you're in one main difference though about surfing the web in China Especially if you don't have a VPN is that there are many many sites that are blocked all Google services Twitter Facebook all of it and Unless you it used to be a lot easier to get around that However, and if you have like a foreign SIM card that gets you around it as well But for the general population those apps simply don't exist And it's like you pull up YouTube in front of somebody standing in Beijing and they're like, what the hell are you doing? And I was like, oh, I just wanted to show you this video. I was like, how are you watching that? Or you go to the wrong site and I've had this happen in Korea and China It pops up some police-looking message that goes. Hey, we've blocked this for your own good Yeah, we're gonna make that decision for you and I'm like, I'll go after yourself I'm just like, you know, I'm gonna do whatever I want and I I'm my own filter in that case and sure I understand if you have a platform where you want to suppress Obviously either harmful or fake or whatever you want to label it as Content that's out there. That's one thing and there are certain content that should be police But in general the just the ability to type in a web address and know that it'll pop up in your browser Without without the government giving its thumb of approval on it That to me is more free at least then it is When I'm surfing in those countries, it's a very American perspective. Yeah, it is All right Well, let's see how we feel about this one Sony will not have a presence at E3 in 2019 and that is it's It's the first time it'll skip the show since E3 started. So pretty significant Sony told variety quote We're exploring at new and familiar ways to engage our community in 2019 The company also recently canceled its PlayStation experience event and Sony also announced it sold more than 86.1 million PlayStation 4's since it launched on November 15th 2013 so the fact that it canceled its experience event doesn't necessarily mean it's not selling a lot of units What's anyone? No, they're they're just focusing I think I think a lot of companies are doing this and we talked about this It relates to CES as well In CES, I think Roger and I were talking about this in CES You just you don't you don't see Microsoft even on the floor anymore But that doesn't mean CES is gone away companies want to control their messages Better and I think maybe Sony's saying instead of a PlayStation experience event Let's come up with a Sony keynote event a la Apple or Exactly that I think they're just taking an Apple page out of the playbook in a sense where hey look We'll have our own dedicated event Why should we have events on the same in the same exposure area as all these other companies? Which nobody matches Sony in terms of console sales and things like that I would just simply have their own own experience event and spend a couple of days inviting all the press in and have it just solely focused on your own messaging and I Don't see why they don't do that doesn't surprise me that they'll bail on E3. It's a bummer That's like having like say Microsoft not show up or something or or Samsung decides No, it doesn't show up at CES, but there's still plenty of Microsoft at CES I'm sure it'll be the same way for Sony at E3. It won't be like you won't see any Sony games there exactly Microsoft will now let developers create 64-bit arm apps for Windows Developers will be able to recompile existing win 32 or universal Windows apps to run natively on Windows 10 on arm Windows for arm can use an emulator right now to run apps, but recompiled apps run a lot better So this will make those apps run better and it will make arm-based laptops more competitive with Windows based laptops And we're starting to see more of those That's pretty cool. I Wonder though will arm be able to compete maybe more on the I think more on the tablet side than a notebook side I would think well. Yeah, it is I've never used an arm-based notebook So I'm not not so much the tablet side But like the Lenovo yoga C630 is an arm device. Okay for that hybrid hybrid tablet laptop Area is where Samsung Galaxy Book 2 is another example where it seems like hey You can run full windows on an arm processor So you get more power out of it you get more battery life But you got everything from Windows and and now you know the emulation went a long way to be way better than Windows RT was and and so this will make it even better Excellent The US FCC approved the use of Europe's Galileo positioning system for use in US phones Most phones can take advantage of the system with a software update, which will improve location accuracy including altitude oh Yeah, so so have you This is kind of a complex situation because Almost all modern phones are capable of receiving all this stuff But in the United States up until now it's been illegal to sell them enabled to do it It's actually been illegal to enable them yourselves to do it, but you could in fact you could have done it Accidentally if you were traveling say Robert you were traveling To Hong Kong and you use the Hong Kong store to download an app It might have been using China's system or I guess China's not a good example because I don't know if it's fully launched yet Let's say you're going to Italy use the Italian store to download something. It could have used the Italian GPS or the Galileo system from Europe and and enabled itself without your knowledge And then you would have technically been in violation of the law But you can't really catch somebody doing that because it's just receiving a signal There's no way to detect that it's doing that exactly and ideally you would be using any GPS system available like GLONASS from the Russians or our own GPS system or Galileo and have have all of those bits of information help create an even more accurate positioning. I It just seems ridiculous that especially if it's if it's a stable good source of that kind of information Blend them and make it even better for all so instead of maybe like 10-foot accuracy in the best-case scenario You get down to a couple of feet or a couple of inches Yeah, well in the GPS system that the United States launched was was Kind of hobbled for years because of military concerns and now it's just old and they're doing things to update it But Galileo is brand-new and just just like any you know any technology you buy the brand-new one generally works a little better than the old one So, you know, I I think Hopefully we'll get to a position where the Chinese system and GLONASS and Galileo and GPS will all just work together in such a way that No matter what you're you're doing you won't know which system you're using but it'll give you even more accurate situation especially altitude when I've been up in in like skyscrapers with malls You know with multiple level malls like in Sydney There was one and I wanted to find a store and it told me I was there But I'm like, yeah, but which there if there's like 10 Where's the vertical there? I need to be It would probably take some pretty good coding too to in order to blend the information from those three sources or or more But in in the same point that Going forward that's simply the way it should be if it's possible to ring more Accuracy out of that system with the addition of these other services. Just do it Well, you know, we're gonna have flying cars soon enough. So get on it people Yeah, these flying cars need this we're gonna be we're gonna be in the air. I need the GPS Folks, if you want to get all the tech headlines each day in about five minutes Be sure to subscribe to our sister show daily tech headlines.com All right, Robert, let's talk tv's it's the holiday season's coming up So a lot of times people want to get a tv or give a tv as a gift And of course we have the super bowl here in the united states coming up at the end of well Beginning of february a lot of people want to buy tv's for that as well What tv's should we buy? I know there's not just one answer, but where do we start? Now it always comes back to budget for anybody. So and as we roll up on the holiday shopping season Some of the very best deals on the 28 tv's are starting to trickle out right now And I'll say right off the bat today is the online sale that just started at costco For the vizio p-series quantum and this is by far the best tv that vizio has ever made It only comes in one screen size 65 inches and it listed at $2,200 currently selling right now online 1,400 bucks That's my go-to pick that is one of the very brightest tv's you can buy And it also incorporates support for both the popular hdr formats being hdr 10 dolby vision It's also of course a 4k screen It has a cool input on there for doing 1080p at 120 hertz if you're into maybe some crazy pc gaming or future console support And overall I I think the between the interface the design and just that lovely bit of performance It is definitely my pick for it. It's also using the quantum dot technology Which gives you the enhanced color performance compared to the tv's that just use enhanced leds You actually get more saturated color out of a quantum dot based system Then you do out of just a tv that's not using that at least currently as far as lcd screens go Now, uh, is that big enough for you sarah at 65 inches or do you need some more recommendations? Yeah, no, I it's funny I was just telling the guys yesterday that I've I have I have a new apartment with a wall that can handle a television Bigger than my 55 inch even though it's perfectly big, but a 65 inch would be just perfect So the vizio was speaking my language, but yeah, what else we got it's working good One of the best deals out there if they if 1400 bucks isn't cut The tcl 6 series has for the 2018 model is a fantastic bargain at about 650 bucks for the 55 inch screen at just over a thousand bucks for the 65 inch screen This is just one of my absolute favorite tv's one thing about tcl screens is that they operate with the roku operating system Driving the entire experience. It isn't just a built-in roku app roku actually does the entire interface and it provides one of the most user-friendly And convenient interfaces are ever used on any tv It makes it easy to just isolate the few things you want to do with it and get all the other cruft out of the way And likewise it also includes some nice surprises one just that sweet roku interface that supports all your apps But also other features like if you connect an antenna to that tv while you do the setup It'll say hey, uh, if you stick a usb key in the side with some storage in it We can create a single channel buffer For nothing. I mean just for the cost of you sticking a usb key in so you have like a dvr function built right into that tv too And i'm just a fan of the roku interface just so you can play nice with all of the streaming services like roku or like a netflix and amazon and google Whereas on some other more isolated devices or from those particular vendors you might not have direct support for some of your favorite streaming sources Otherwise It's just a fantastic screen compared to say that vizio p series. This is about half as bright In terms of just straight measurements and the the off axis viewing isn't quite as good But we're talking about 400 bucks less in the case of the 65 inch screen And just a terrific bargain at that 55 inch screen size So it sounds like tcl 6 series is the best Is the best budget one and the vizio is your best bang for your buck without a doubt vizio Quantum is just amazing. Otherwise. There are tons of other great screens out there sony's x 900 f if you just need a good variety of screen sizes Great performance across the board sony does terrific things in terms of the factory calibration And the quality of their cinema or movie mode is going to be pretty damn close to spec right out of the box That's one of the things I absolutely love about it. Also their designs and picture quality just tend to be fantastic The one downside that i'll always harp on for sony televisions currently is their use of the android tv operating system It sounds good on paper But i've i've experienced even on their most premium sets one too many times repush a button on the remote Nothing happens for a second or two And if you can avoid that and use external devices for your streaming content, whatever No problem, but that's just something to keep in mind Otherwise the good folks at samsung also have an array of great sets On the more of the value side they have the n u 8 000 that's about as low as I would go in terms of just A tv that provides kind of everything you're having good light output terrific performs 120 hertz panel in addition to some sweet gaming features Specifically it has the auto game mode detection for the xbox console So rather than you manually having to switch it into game mode for low lag and then jump out of it for your regular viewing That can handle it automatically in addition to The variable refresh rate technology that's coming out. This is one of their least expensive tvs that you can still have that built in to where If you're playing on a console like the xbox or in this case I believe it's also supported by certain ati cards as well or amd graphics cards Excuse me and that will actually adjust the frame rate in real time in order to prevent Like tearing and other artifacts that can happen. I think it's a solid gamer pick. However, if you have the cash Jump into samsung's q-led lineup I In particular from the seven series on up the q7 fn q8 fn q9 fn My favorite thing about these tvs is the anti-reflective coding. It is second to none compared to any other tv I've looked at Sure a bright tv can help with bad room lighting or a bright room environment But having an anti-reflective coding that can tame room light reflections Goes a long way toward making even tvs that couldn't put out as much light Look even sweet in a in a challenging environment like that And addition samsung also has some of the best quantum dot technology out there That's the q with the q led, right? Yeah with the q-led lineup and If you're a fan some of the models also incorporate a single input box that's separate from the tv And the nice thing about that is it's a very thin Sublime cable that just goes right up to it So it makes it very easy to integrate if you're going to wall mount it You don't have a separate power cord and a video cord going up there Just this one little thing you can either tape the wall or even embed it if you want and keep it off so Those are just fantastic sets overall however if I had to oh go ahead. Oh no go ahead I was going to say though when it comes right down to it if the budget permits These tvs aren't really any kind of special black friday pricing, but lg's oleds are Probably the thing everyone looks at and just kind of loses it in terms of absolute picture quality still huh You put this side by side against any lcd and the first thing you'll notice is that the viewing angles are far superior You can get off to the side a little bit. You don't have dramatic changes in color or brightness or contrast And their ability to produce perfect black when an oled pixel turns off It is not emitting any led at all and in a dark room environment that can make that letterbox movie Appear like it's just hanging in space and it it is just something to behold Also, lg's interface their web os based system is continues to be one of the zippiest i've ever dealt with and overall It's just absolutely one of my favorite tvs It also has probably the most wide-ranging support for various video formats including hdr 10 dolby vision hlg and Practical or is hdr format as well. So if you're thinking future-proofing yourself in regards to upcoming hdr stuff That's hard to be it just kind of has it all now if you compare something like that vizio p-series quantum That tv has about twice as many Zones of backlighting as say the regular vizio p-series The regular vizio p-series has about a hundred zones of controllable Areas on the screen where it can modulate the leds that are behind the screen to produce a better dark brighter brights and things like that Vizio p-series quantum has almost 200, but when you talk about oleds It's each individually addressable pixel can be turned on or off. So you're talking millions of zones of dimming And performance wise I think for the eight series. It's pretty much whatever you could afford They all have very similar image quality, which is really good But when you step up beyond the b-series to the c-series or above The one thing it does give you is a more advanced processor Which in general I find over the long term It's something you kind of want because as tv's are updated and new features are added Extra cpu power is generally something that will make the whole experience more seamless and smooth So there you go, sarah. You got you got six tv's to choose from now I don't know the lg oleds It's you know, once robert was like this is the you know, it's the industry standard now. I'm like well now I need that But but but but for a lot of reasons that you illustrated rob There are you know, you could think about, you know, how big is your room? Are you off to the side? You know, you know, how much does light actually matter? What's your budget? So all really good parameters if you can sit front and center anything I just talked about it's going to look Freakin fantastic and the difference has really come down to when the lights get low Or you're sitting sitting off to the side or Oh, I mean I'm It's tough to say There are a lot of good choices out there However, if I could throw one thing out there it would be If you have the room for it if you have a room with good light control consider a projector Epson has a new homes home cinema 40 10 model that came out about three four weeks ago And this is absolutely one of the very best values out there in terms of a projector that is Capable of displaying the full dci p3 color palette Which is the same color palette used in our hdr 4k blue rays and some streaming content as well It's about a 26 wider color palette than we have with regular hd programming And those those extra bits of color saturation I find especially when the content's authored appropriately It just looks more realistic and lifelike This projector is not a true 4k projector, but it does Really good upscaling and at that $2,000 price point I'm going to say you literally have to spend two to three times more to get something that's going to make you go Okay, that's definitely better So, well robert. 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So we'll see you then have a good weekend This show is part of the frog pants network get more at frog pants dot com All right, that was awesome. That was great. Oh, man, what a nice what a nice environment you guys uh, there was a uh There was uh talking tv's with robert heron. Yeah You can talk about reading the titles that have been suggested by the audience right now Uh two factor unauthorized access Talking tv's with robert heron. It's pretty good. I like yeah, it's it's yeah, I actually want to go and buy a tv now Me too Like it's me too I need an OLED I need an OLED for experimentation. There's also a 2018 hctv buyers guide with robert heron It's pretty good Yeah robert you must have a lot of large boxes that you Just are good at shuffling in and out of your life. I just got rid of the last My storage unit. Oh my god. It's okay. Everyone. I know I have given a tv to locally Not everyone. Oh, I know They're an awful lot every time I go to somebody's house. It's like, oh, I remember that one Right, right. I love it Thanks I So if I can be selfish the one thing I'm trying to figure out is if I want a projector in my bedroom Uh, right now, I've got an old samsung tv in there and it's all right Uh, but it's it's just kind of propped up in the corner The thing is I don't have the the door to the bedroom is in the middle So as you lay on the bed you pretty much look at you know, the closet and the door and then you have Plenty of wall to put a project a screen on but it's over to the side It's over to the right retractable screen hang it right on the ceiling. Just have it triggered Why not unless you're walking through the door Yeah, there's like a feng shui aspect though tv on my own in there and then eileen comes to bed while I'm watching tv which happens sometimes I might not just also consider to with most projectors, especially something like that 40 10 I mentioned is that Depending on the height of your ceilings If you have you have to run it on low otherwise you're going to hear fan noise on just about any projector So between the heat and the noise if you have to like on a bright day or something You're going to want to crank up that brightness and then you're going to notice it unless you have the sound turned up a little bit But it's also that is a a box with a 300 watt lamp in it that is cooking off. So That's just something to keep in mind Larger the bedroom and the ceilings high enough by all means you're not going to regret it because Like a hundred inch screen or or you know, whatever size not to do a screen and just even though it's a Light blue wall. I think it would be fine And tom remind me. What was the reason that you didn't like the idea of doing like a Uh a mount that could give you Oh, I'm just different degrees of I'm just weird. Okay. There's no This is this really like this is just a tom reason not a not an applicable to anyone else Well, I remember you saying you wanted something that you could you take out so that you couldn't you know I had access to all your ports, but does that not work? I I swap ports out a lot. Although not as much in the bedroom. I also move a lot historically I don't intend to move again, but every time you move when it's mounted. That's an extra pain in the ass. So That's true. Yeah rock And if you follow, I think it would is the us safety commissioner, whatever has a twitter feed and they're always showing tip over accidents with children That's this guy if you still have an old tube tv and it's sitting up I have an old, uh lcd, uh samsung lcd. It's light as a feather That's the thing mounting them is so simple. It doesn't take much and it really does help protect the investment and I tried to but like my house Was built a long time ago. So when they did the plastering that has the old, uh chicken mesh wire behind it So it throws off the stud finder. So I thought oh, these are the edges of the stud finder went back It's like no it moved like five inches to the right Drill tiny test holes Or pin to stick through until you're sure you're hitting a stud. Oh, it pins a good idea. Yeah He would or metal I just ended up buying like a A fixed metal stand It says it accommodates up to a 55 inch tv Actually, I have one of those still in my storage unit. I should put that all on craigslist I have that and a five one set of speakers. I got rid of the tv's but now I have a few extra bits of electronics To avoid tip over as a really heavy base But I put it on the floor and then I put like a rollover rug on top of it And then I put my entertainment system on top of that. So It's literally just kind of secured by weight It I have two kids and I made sure that it could not tip over and it's close enough to the wall That if it was to tip over the bottom would catch the wall it would not be able to fall over Like, you know, more than like five or six inches forward All right, you can just mount it That's one of my favorite things about OLED screens is that the 65 inch panel. I think it weighs maybe 27 Oh, it's ridiculous that you can Light enough like the the base of the LG That comes with the the built-in soundbar Which probably isn't the way to go But even if you get the built-in soundbar the base is super thin But the tv's like a third of maybe more of the thickness I'm trying to think also with with LG at least when you get to the e-series that has the glass back on it Rather than mounting it to a sheet of I don't know what it is I guess a metal chassis covered in a plastic back panel on it. This is just a sheet of tempered glass It's about two millimeters thick the panel itself is about a millimeter thick And I think that rigid the rigidity of that glass helps in the long term I've seen OLEDs take a beating and actually get bent and still function But but that glass I just feel if you can if you can swing the e-series or higher Well, you get to the W series and that's just the panel itself Yeah, that's that's where you have the separate soundbar with the inputs and everything else But that e-series and its glass technology just having it on that rigid good sheet of glass I think over the long term it'll make it last a little longer But there are also if you're a gamer there is a possibility you can experience burn in with OLEDs similar to what we had with plasma So if you're a hardcore gamer, you might want to consider a good lcd television instead But I know a lot of people who game on OLEDs who have no problem So wait on on the vizio p-series the quantum is that a is that a true is that a true 120 hertz screen? Okay, and it actually has one port on it that'll do 1080p 120 input So if you want to go crazy hot framerate gaming off of computer That wouldn't be a bad display to do it with otherwise all the other ports support your standard 4k 60 hdr Like do any of them support the 24p flag where they go to 120 hertz in order to Most 120 hertz panels do they at least have some way to either turn you turn everything off And it simply does a 5x multiplier for 24p content So it just simply flashes each frame five times to maintain the same cadence Otherwise if you enable any of the video processing features like motion compensation or estimation That's where you can add smoothing unnatural smoothing to your videos And the t the tcl six series is a true 120 Sure is a few are like They're they're 120 rated, but they're really not 120 Or I hate that part of it is when you have to dive into the specs to really oh Yeah, 120 hertz motion rate or whatever and your Some companies are straight up about it. Some are just like telling you the effective Refresh rate in a sense if we're doing something like backlight blinking technologies or other ways of improving motion resolution Eh, nothing beats a true 120 hertz panel and I want to say everything I mentioned today Should be a true 120 hertz panel Common nowadays the big difference really is What type how are they achieving a wide color palette on a 4k tv? The the cheap way to do it is with a phosphor coated led that improves the red response Otherwise the folks using quantum dot technology It is just one hell of a way to get in good color out of it And they're looking at incorporating quantum dot materials into oled generation as well So maybe I'm not really having a lot of hope for seeing this technology at cvs But that's one of the things I'm hoping maybe in the back room for one of their technology demos One of the companies is going to show us something off that way It's like the next emerging like display technology Like since they're already moved on are they moving away from oled or are they just trying to make it more durable or He's trying to get rid of the o1 oled getting away from organic materials that Over time and you can't drive them as hard for long periods of time If you can get to something that's inorganic like a quantum dot Then you can effectively do something very similar to what oled's currently doing You have red blue and green quantum dot materials stimulated by Say an electron gun of some kind either on a per pixel level or however you're going to do it But those quantum dots can be driven like crazy and they aren't going to age the same way that oled materials currently do The problem is with oled manufacturing currently It's using high heat vacuum chambers things like that where the quantum dot materials do not like that They they prefer something more along the lines of a a cool quiet ink printed environment room And one of the one of the chinese or taiwanese manufacturers boe systems or no not boe boe technology They just demonstrated the first 55 inch quantum dot Was it oled no printable oled So they've actually come up with materials that will work in say Room temperature environments and using similar to like inkjet print heads to be able to print out the materials onto the screen surface And create a display that way that's like the cutting edge right now And of course, I'm sure you guys have seen talk of using just micro leds Those are also inorganic and can be driven really hard as well. However You talk about the number of pixels on a tv and you're trying to micro place four to eight million little leds or if you're doing sub pixels that you know times that by three That's a lot of pick in place for something that small and maybe on larger size displays That would be more feasible because you could use larger leds, but That those are the two big things Just the race to finally flush out the hdr 10 spec I mean the the spec goes up to 10 000 nits and we're not talking about any tv Like in the case of that vizio pc or is quantum that'll do 2 000 nits in standard or high dynamic range I think it hits like 2400 nits in in high dynamic range, but We could easily go to five times that and and still be within the spec of the system And for me, that's just like I can't wait although I have seen tv's that do say six to eight thousand nits and Those are so bright. They require specialized cooling and they can be noisy little bastards when they're running so It's it's like a balance between how much light can you get out of something and how efficient can you do it? And that's that's that's the challenge. They're all working on right now I can't wait I Learned so much when when you're on we need to have you on more often your hair selfishly I need to get a haircut and I got to go work on my car I'm creating projects for myself today. So yeah, yeah, that's good. Keep keep busy Um So what so we'll see you at ces and roger will be in touch and we'll try to figure out if we can If we can in the first schedule, that'd be great without a doubt that'll cool Awesome, man. Awesome. Cool. Thanks for being on my pleasure any time We're not rushing you out of here, but if you need to get you on that's all good Uh, I don't even want to see the problem is going outside right now the air quality is just yeah, you don't want to go out there You need did you get a mask? I have a bunch of n95 masks. Yeah That's just barely good enough for here But if I were heading up to sacramento, I would I I was looking at respirators on amazon last night I'm trying to find those cool stylish ones that I saw in the asian countries. I visited where people have like I mean, they are like n99 or the p100 filters We saw we saw people walking around last weekend with those here in la Uh, they're like, you know super soft like material and the huge filter and If you have allergies those things are a godsend And in this weather it's or in this air quality if you have even a slight issue with respiration Yeah, you don't want to go you're just miserable and I know the pets are feeling it and that's how bad it's getting It's like, oh It's keeping inside keep the air filter running so Well, I have an announcement before we we switch the video off Which is that if you are listening to this in the regular feed burner feed that patrons get Uh out of my post at patreon.com that feed is going away. 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