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What's really good on you? What size is that, by the way? Because it's a little... Smeety. Extra small. It's a little tight. Well, that's the thing. I mean, it just hugs me. Because the material's so nice. You look beefier and I think, what's going on? What are you doing? I don't know, man. I'm just still working on it. He just got back from, he's been drinking beer and mosh-pitting. I didn't say fatter. I'm all bloated. I said, you look bloated in the arms. Can you imagine? You imagine, I've never in my life as a man said that to another man. You look a little bloated. You called me out the other day for saying that. That might make me cry. What did you say? We were talking about my baths. I never wanted to unveil that information. He asked about the... I know, I should have fucking... Whoops, and so this came right out of my mouth, I tell you. You're way too honest, bro. Some things you gotta hold on to. And it's just bad because it's paired with the bath. You know what I'm saying? Bubble bath going on here. I'm just pretty sure you got a bath, a little bit of water. I was in one last night. Dude, I was in one last night. I had Monday night football going on on the counter on the TV and taking my little bath and my lights out. A little me time. Yeah, a little me time. That's a good time for that. Fight for those days. As a dad now, you fight for those times, you know? So my brother... We do, we can. I wanna talk about the post that we got tagged on. Eugene tells the squat post, but before we do, I have to tell a story. My brother, he and his wife just had a baby a few months ago. Cute little boy talked about this. And his wife was, you know, they were all talking. And I'm gonna have to have a conversation with my brother because he's like I was when I first became a dad. He doesn't like fully understand that he needs to help a little bit more, like with the child-during stuff. So here's something that he did. She's going to the bathroom. So mom just had a baby two months ago. She's on the toilet, going pee or whatever. He's playing with the baby and the baby starts crying. He walks into the bathroom with the crying baby and hands her the baby. I don't know what to do. I'm like, bro, you better figure this out before your shades of salad. He's bleeding. Yeah, I know. Anyway, all right. So the squat post, this comes up a lot, dude. And you know what? Eugene Tao is a smart guy. So I want to say that I like him. I like his posts. He's a very smart guy. But we got tagged on his post because he kind of did that social media thing. And he's smart about it. Where you counter something that's being said often and it does get you a lot of attention. Well, he opens it up with, in my opinion. So right out the gates, you get my respect and I'm not going to debate that. It's his opinion. He's open to that opinion. I think we could argue the other side, but... He's not really saying the squat isn't valuable. No, he's just saying that it's... Not necessary to develop big, strong quads. Or that machines have their value is what he's saying. That machines also have their value, which I agree. I think all these tools have their value. But it is hard to find a single tool as valuable overall for the lower body as squats. It's hard to find one. I think he's also trying to point out an address, which I also agree with is this, you know, just over generalization that everybody should be squatting right away. Because the truth is everybody should work towards that, I believe, and stand behind that. But I don't necessarily believe that everybody should be squatting because there's a lot of people that can't squat with good technique and you risk injury. So I think he's covering that kind of movement right now. Like we talk about how CrossFit really brought back the deadlift and the squat. And now you have everybody starting to do, you know, all these weekend warriors getting out there and trying to hit PRs when they have terrible mechanics. And so I think he's trying to address that, which, and I agree with that. I think that everybody shouldn't just jump in there and start loading a barbell and trying to do astagrass squat when they don't have good technique. But I think the thing where I will always defend the squat and where the problem I have with like a post like that is that it discourages, I just right away, I go back to, you know, teenage me or 22-year-old me even and I would read a post like that. Justified. Yeah, a really intelligent, he's a very intelligent coach and trainer, he looks amazing, he's strong. And look, I would, you know, if he was older or same age as me, I'd look up to him and go, oh man, this guy, he tells me I don't need to squat. Like I would continue to avoid it. And I guess that's fine if all you wanna do is develop your quads, but the squat ended up being so beneficial for me personally and clients that I've trained at the pursuit to get a good squat. Because very few people can do a good-looking squat and there's a lot of things that are broken down that it highlights that so well and the pursuit of getting a good squat has so many benefits in itself versus throwing that person into a hack squat, a leg extension, a leg press. You don't have to address any of those deviations. Well, and I read in his post too, he was kind of coming at a lot of the strength coaches for highlighting, you know, a back loaded squatters, like the gold standard of, you know, squatting and in terms of like that being something that you lead up to inevitably, like kind of displaying the ultimate, you know, strength of that, which I tend to lean towards. I agree with that. You know, and I agree with that, whereas he disagrees with that and thinks that, you know, you can just, you know, get the same kind of value out of these machines if your goal is only to have muscular development and just focus on hypertrophy and your aesthetics. But, you know, I would still argue that in terms of overall function, everyday life and longevity, you're gonna run into some real issues if that's all you're doing. Yeah, let's back up for a second, okay? Let's just talk about the squat without weight. Just being able to go down in a squat comfortably with good mobility and good control is a fundamental human movement. So let's imagine now 500 years into the future, we don't have to walk anymore. We're on these floating devices that take us everywhere. They're really good at what they do and there's really no use to walk at all. And somebody comes across and says, maybe a fitness person in the future says, hey, there's a lot of benefit to walking regularly and learning how to walk. And people argue, no, no, no, there isn't. Like you could do other strengthening exercises. You don't have to walk. There are more benefits to walking than just the fact that you're walking. It's part of how we evolve. Squatting is that as well. If you go back a thousand years and you couldn't sit in a squat, you were big time dysfunctional. In fact, go to third world countries and watch people working or resting. How are they doing it? In a squat position, they're not sitting on the floor. Why do they sit in a squat? Well, first of all, if you go to the bathroom in poop, and by the way, those squatty potties, why are those so effective for people? Because that's how we pooped in the past. It puts your body in really good position. But why don't they sit on the floor? If you're out in nature, first of all, you're not that mobile if you're sitting down. It's hard to move to the sides. Number two, if you need to get up and move real quickly, well, now you're vulnerable to being attacked by an animal or if your kid needs you or whatever. So they sit in a squat. In fact, yesterday I was going for a walk and one of my neighbors had their parents visiting and their parents were from, you could tell from maybe not as developed country. And I saw this grandma. She was sitting outside and she was gardening in a squat. This is an old lady. She must have been 80. That's awesome. And she's sitting in a squat and she's gardening and pulling weeds and stuff. And that's, you know, we should be able to do that. So not being able to do something that's fundamental to our anatomy, something that we evolve doing means that you're missing out on so much more than just developing your quads and your hamstrings and your glutes. Also a point, I don't remember the name of the guys, it was the body mechanics or we went down to LA and we went and kind of visited them. They have real unconventional methods but one thing they highlighted about the squat was how it would depressurize your body. So you have a lot of internal pressure built up that we don't necessarily always get rid of and we carry with us. And the squat is one of those positions that really helps to be able to express all of that out. Yeah, it's how women gave birth. This is how women gave birth for most of human histories that would sit in a squat. It's how we relaxed it. It's how we hung around each other. We didn't have chairs for a long time. We didn't have toilets for a long time. It's a fundamental human movement. And so what is squatting with weight do? It just strengthens this fundamental human movement but you should be able to do this anyway. And if you can't, avoiding it is a big problem. Can you develop nice quads and hamstrings and stuff not doing it? Sure, but what are you missing out on a lot? You're missing out on a lot by the way. And that's the main problem I have with this stance is not that he's not right. Like the way he worded everything and he set it up, I don't disagree. Well, he's a good, he's smart. He does what he's saying. Yeah, I do not disagree with what he's saying. The only thing that I have to say about posts like that is it discourages a lot of people that should probably learn how to squat. That's it. And I can know that because I was that kid. I would love to hear that, that I don't need to, because it was hard and it was terrible at it. And it hurt my low back when I did it. And so, yeah, okay, I'll just avoid it and I'll leg press and do all these other machines. And yeah, that got me by for a good 10 years of training. But when I started to address all those issues that kept me from, that limited me from doing a good squat, the overall benefit that I got from- Your low back pain went away. Yeah, completely. So, and then, and what I've seen that for clients, I get a client that just can't perform a squat and I point out all the reasons why they can't and that's the way we measure. We don't get on the hack squat and go like, oh yeah, that was a good hack squat. You know, like, no, I have a squat that I saw the way you squatted or I videoed it or took a picture of where you were and now we've worked towards that and now we go back and it's hard to do that with a machine and be able to be objective. Yeah, well, I just, for me it's, I like to look at the body holistically and all the systems holistically and the movements holistically. And so, to avoid something that is the ultimate expression of that with the Backloaded Squat, I think, you know, I have problems with that. It, you know, segmenting it out and like, you know, taking each one of those movements and just isolating certain muscle groups and trying to build and develop those. You know, there's definite value to that, especially if you're not getting a lot of response out of certain muscle groups. But in terms of like addressing the overall performance of your body, we need to really incorporate those compound lists. Yeah, agreed. Speaking of holistic, I gotta tell you guys, I am slowly getting my dad to incorporate a lot of the stuff that we talk about. So you guys know how I talk. I don't want a few things now. I have and because each time I tell him to do something and he does it and he notices, now each time I tell him something else, he's way more like confident, like I'll give that a try. So now I got my dad trying Felix Gray glasses at night. Yeah, so over the weekend, so he calls me up on Friday and he's like, hey, Sal, what are you doing tomorrow? So I know he's okay, he's gonna need something. So I'm like, well, I'm not doing much. What can I do for you? And he goes, well, there's a motorcycle that I wanna go look at, cause I might buy it. It's in Santa Barbara. So I wanna drive there and back tomorrow. I'm like, oh my God, dude, right? You wanna drive all the way down there and back? Like, but my dad is the kind of person, he never says no to me when I ask him for something. So I can't say no to my dad, plus it's an opportunity to hang out. So we got in the car and we drove and we had great conversation the whole time and my dad told me how he's been waking up like at two or three a.m. just to wake. And he's like, I don't know what the hell it is. It's like, I can't get any better sleep. And I said, are you watching TV or are you on your iPad right before you go to bed? And he goes, yeah. And so I explained how the brain needs time to know that it's nighttime and it doesn't produce as much melatonin. And so I said, if you wear glasses that block the blue light, it should help you with your sleep. So I gave him a pair of Felix Graves and he's trying them out. Oh, wow. Yeah, so I'll know. He hasn't reported back yet, has he? He hasn't reported back yet, but I'm assuming he's gonna, like everybody else, he's gonna have good results from that. You know what, you bring in a filter. I just remembered, I wanted you to look into, so you guys know that they have a supplement. Oh, I saw it. It's called Insight. I actually had somebody ask me about it. I had no idea. They're like, hey, what do you think about the Felix Graves supplement? I'm like, Felix Graves supplement. You mean they're glasses? They're like, no, they have a supplement now. So they put, so it's a supplement that has astaxanthin, lutein and zeaxanthin and then bilberry fruit extract. So these are all compounds that have been shown to reduce basically eye damage from UV rays to maintain eye health, reduce inflammation, and they're all proven in studies. So it's an eye health supplement. You know what's funny is I had one, actually one of the clients I trained the longest, I trained this woman for 13 years, Mondays at 3 p.m. Every Monday at 3 p.m. Carol, love her. And she had, Kyle, I can't remember now at the top of my head. What do they do when they replace the whatchamacallit in your eye? Cataract surgery. So she had cataract surgery and these compounds are what her eye doctor, she would take them separately all the time, yeah, to keep maintaining the health of right. So these are all proven compounds. I think it's interesting that they're getting to the supplement market. I thought so too. Do you know what, which ones are those? Like I don't know what foods you would eat to get those. Some of them like sound so foreign to me. I don't know if I've even. I don't know. You know, that's a good question. I don't know. Like your carrots are what are known for eyesight, right? So what's dominant in carrots that is? Well, I think they say that for vitamin A. Is that why? Yeah, but these are more, these are different. They're not essential like vitamins or micronutrients, rather they're antioxidants and compounds that have been shown to have eye health benefits in their own right. So, and what's interesting is they also have other benefits. So those all have lots of health benefits aside from helping the eye. So it is interesting, right? And I wonder if this is going to be more and more valuable because eye health seems to be degrading because of how much we're using screen time. Yeah, exactly. Everybody's on and just inundated with blue light constantly. So yeah, I think if they can find any angle in that direction to kind of address it, I think it's going to be valuable. Now I did want to ask you something, Justin. I noticed you had a couple like look like you just scuffed your hands a little bit. I know you went to Alabama. Yeah, you went to Alabama for a heavy metal, what was it like, festival? Like I want to hear all about this. Yeah dude, so okay. I saw Kill Switch Engage was there. Yeah, so that was probably one of the only like familiar bands I think that people would recognize. And so I guess you'd call this genre a kind of hardcore metal or hardcore. It's not even death metal. It's more in the hardcore side because they have like kind of a punk. So like East Coast hardcore, it's like a lot of the guys are like straight edgers and it's like a gang. So there's this whole culture around this kind of stuff that's very like unique to this specific genre. We don't do drugs but we'll kick your ass over it. Yeah, exactly. So many smoke a cigarette like they would like beat them up like that kind of a thing. Really? Yeah dude, it was crazy. Straight edgers are crazy. So what is that? You're not the school meal on all this. I don't know any of this. What is a straight edger and what makes a straight edger different than a death metal guy? Straight edgers are, well they're usually into like the hardcore scene more which is like, it's a tighter community. It's like, I mean the shows are different. What does straight edger mean? Straight edger just means that you don't do drugs. You don't smoke. Oh that's what that means. So is that why you said that? Yeah. Oh okay, I didn't know that. They've taken like I'm not gonna do drugs and they've made it like a gang. Well and so it's like they have all this like crazy energy now, like where are they gonna pour it? They gotta like, you know, turn into violent outlets I guess. We're angry because we're not high. It spoke to me as a kid. No drugs or alcohol at this thing? No, there was. It's just, okay so there's just for commercial reasons we tell everybody we're straight edged. No, the bands are straight edged. People going were probably. People go like, well in some and they build followings that are part of like certain bands have shows together where it's like a whole bunch of straight edgers. Really? Or like, yeah, our guys are just into the hardcore kind of punk scene. And then like there's mixed in with that has been like metal then also like Christian metal and then the Southern kind of. I wanna hear Christian metal. No like red. Red's one of those bands. I know you know red don't you? Red? Yeah, yeah. You were with me one time when we were in Vegas and I heard them play. Oh maybe, yeah. I'll play a song for you guys. I like it. So Living Sacrifice is one of those and also Beloved which we put on an amazing show. Like I did, so little background. So for me like I was basically like this angry kid. And I remember, yeah. So I had issues like psychological issues like that I just you know would bury. And then my outlet was like metal dude. So I was not allowed to play anything with swear words or anything in my house and you know my parents were very much you know very strict. And so I found a hack and that was Christian metal. And so like my first band was like The Crucified and they didn't play but the next one from there was Living Sacrifice and they are so heavy. It just like people like had no idea. Like there was- Jesus left you. Yeah. I just can't help but sing like that. Yeah. It's like an oxymoron bro. It is. But like they started to get really good. It started out some cheesy bands, right? It would be embarrassed to like say that like, oh yeah like I love these guys like I go to their shows but they started getting really good and like popular. And so anyway so there was like some of those bands were there and that's why I was excited to go because it was like part of my childhood. You know growing up with these bands and there's like a very very small scene of people that really get it and had similar issues as me growing up I think. Now did you mosh pit? Did you get in the mosh pit? So I was like, I wasn't gonna do it but I can't help it dude. I wasn't gonna do it. I was like- Shut up dude. You knew you were gonna go to- You brought your mosh and shoes and everything. I did dude, my mosh and shoes. I was ready to go dude. I was armed and ready to go. Yeah I got up to, well I couldn't help it because some of the bands just like it's just it's almost like memory lane and then you're like, oh my god this song and you know then. So the thing about hardcore. Yeah, this is my song. They have breakdowns, the most vicious breakdowns. Like regular metal shows they just play really loud and it's good music, whatever. There's like circle pits. So the thing about these pits that are different is like people just go fucking nuts. Like they start punching the air, kicking, stage diving. Like- Did you say someone lost an eye? Somebody lost, this is what I heard from one of the forums that they talk later about you know how the shows went. Has anyone seen a blue eye? Do you even know if that guy's okay that they carted off that was like holding his eye was all blood everywhere. And so, yeah so mayhem did happen and I was definitely involved in some of the bigger pits there but the thing is if you know what to do and you know like sort of your spacing and there's code. If you're a big beefy strong as shit. Big pit guy. Well I mean it's a new shirt. Yeah there's that, there's that. I mean people in there aren't really like looking to hurt other people. It's just more of like this weird, like crazy violent dance outlet thing. I don't know how to describe it. Now did you get hit? Did somebody hit somebody? Like what happened? Dude I have no idea but like I was like, I was like just seeing it before it happened. Like I was, you know what it was like was when I do those heart swings out there at the Indian clubs. Like I was like my arms were like this almost in like a blender and I was like blocking everything. Hey, come on. Justin was in the middle pitch for eight clubs. No, no, no. He was in the forest bro. He's closed your eyes. Trust your feelings Justin. Nobody was getting inside this energy field. You, okay I'm so, I'm so fascinated by the, the, the genres within the genres here. I just, I would just say death medals, death medal and it's anything that's like beyond. Like to me there's like a heavy medal which I think Metallica, Pantera. Then there goes, then they just goes everything is down to that is like thrash. I feel like everything up to that is death medal. Adam characterizes as I understand and then everything else I do. And then this is completely gone. Yeah, like I started with like, yeah what people popularly know as metal and then I went, I kept getting more and more like into it and finding out there's a lot of levels to this game. Now let me ask you this because I know that there's a lot of stereotypes with actually any community. Now I've never been to a metal concert. I've never been in a mosh pit but I have met because I like that kind of music to lift too. That's the only kind of music I, that's the only time I listen to it is when I'm working out really hard and I've met other people who are like super into that kind of music. And at first I was always shocked by how friendly but I thought like there would be this angry whatever. The coolest people ever and that's just my personal experience. What's it like going to, is it like that or does it feel like really? It was like, it was this weird surreal kind of love fest. Like, I swear to God it was like violence everywhere but everybody was like, I was picking up dudes that fell and slipped on some beer or something and like we're getting pummeled and I'm like, we're all just stopping it. We pick them up, we throw them back in. It's just like, it's one of those things. You're right, I got a couple, bloody nose, keep going, you know? But we look out for each other. It's a strange like unique community. Now is everybody super cool and nice? Is it a total sausage fest? Cause I have a tough time thinking it was gonna be girls there. It's such a sausage fest but there's, and I'm always baffled that the girls said go. What'd you say? It's the good kind of sausage though. It's the good kind of sausage, yeah. It's the spicy sausage. Do you see any girls at all? Yeah dude, there was girls here. And there was one like in the pit and she was like, this tiny, you know, cute little girl that was just like, like really into it. And it's just funny cause like the rest of us are like, okay, let's kind of make a wall around her so she doesn't get like nailed, you know? So you want to hear something? So we're all like looking out for her not to get like punched. So I used to have, there was this girl that very short part of time and she was a total metalhead and she would go in these, and she was tiny. She was like 90 pounds, this little tiny thing, tatted up and whatever, super cool chick. And I asked her that, I'm like, don't you feel, like aren't you scared? And she goes, no. She goes, it's the safest I ever feel is when I go to these concerts because all the men there become super protective of me. Is that what it's like? 100%. That's wild dude. Yeah, and it's funny that everybody's just tatted. I was like, it's so good that like I'm too old now. And speaking of old, everybody there was over 40 easily. Oh really? There was no kids. These bands started a long time ago? Yeah, okay. They're all angry for different reasons now? Yeah. Yeah. My wife taxes. Yeah, we're raging about taxes. I can't connect with my son. Mandates. Yeah, that's what we're raging about now. Yeah, like people driving too fast. My lawn died. Now be honest, right? Because I mean, obviously there's some nostalgia there and some of that. But when you decided that you were going to do this, because sometimes I do stuff, right, that I remember I love so much. And it's been decades since I did it. And then I do it and I'm kind of like, that'll probably be the last time I ever do that. Yes, I think I could check that off as I'm done with that now. Like how did you feel about it like that? Yeah, yeah. I mean, there was some of those kind of moments like I know in terms of like trying to get in to everybody and like be in the crowd and all that. I was just like, like I would rather be in the pit because it's open. But for the most part, I was cool just standing off to the side and like watching and enjoying the actual madness of the music. It's, and I totally recognize that it's like, a lot of people in the outside will just look at it as just screaming and noise. You know, like I totally admit that. I'm like, yes, like that's totally part of it. But there's so many, like if you are into it, like you hear all the differences of it and like who does it well and who has like, you know, real good musicianship behind it. And so I was definitely more like less about like getting in there and getting my energy out and like more so analyzing it and then pulling myself back and being like, oh, this is why I love this band. So what, okay. So then what are some ways that I know like, oh, this guy's generic or he sucks or like, what are things that make it stand out as like? Yes, good question. Yeah. So there's definitely bands out there that will overuse fuck all the time. There's just a power word. Yeah, dude, it's a cheap trick. You know, it's one of those things they're gonna get an emotional response from the crowd. And be like, fuck yeah, let's fucking do this, fuck, fuck, fuck. And they're like, bro, like you don't have to overuse it, you know, like save it for the impactful moments or, you know, let your music like do that. I will always respect that the bands more that their music would kind of like take you on this journey and then it would peak so hard that like everybody would go berserker because you'd hit this like moment where you'd see, and this happened with August Burns Red. It was like one of the best bands that played. They're just so tight musicianship that it got to a point where everybody knew this breakdown was coming. And all of a sudden I was getting pushed and everybody was getting pushed aside and it opened up. It was like the biggest, I had to like, it took me like five minutes, it seemed to run all the way around and get to the other side because it opened up so big. I just picture you running around. I was running like this and I like lowered my shoulder into somebody and locked them down, picking back up. As the concert climaxes, so does the mosh pit hole? Yeah, yeah, it peaks dude and then the hole grows bigger. It's like this emotional release. That's what music does. You know that, that's what music does. It gets everybody to feel together. You know that, you've been to country music concerts where everybody starts to sing. Well, I mean you have, you know. So I have- I've actually been to all of it. And I would actually, I'm trying to think where you would categorize some of these bands that I don't even remember. I would think they'd be more punk. So you have punk, you have heavy metal, you've got- So punk in the hardcore is very similar because so punk does a lot of these anthem chants and things where they get crowd involvement. So they're a lot better at like bringing the crowd like even on stage and they let like mayhem happen. So the hardcore bands, you see guys just like backstage running and almost hitting the lead singer and pushing and jumping and stage diving and then people are climbing up and then grabbing the mic and singing the anthem with them and they're like in the crowd letting them be completely a part of the show. So it's a totally different kind of mentality. But it's cool if you're like, that's your scene. But if you're just in the back listening, it sounds like shit. I would have loved it. I think that would have been awesome. It's fun. I wouldn't have done- If you love the band and they're interacting with you, it's super fun. Now did your buddies go on the mosh pit with you? So my one buddy did. The other one was like, he was the sort of smart one but it was funny because he went up to kind of watch the band close. And I was watching because I was taking a breath from my, I didn't want to get in the pit and he kept like pushing me in the back. And I thought it was just some random person kept like nudging me, like push, push. And then the third one, he pushed me real hard and I almost went in and I turned around like I'm going to punch somebody. Oh my God. It was him. And I'm like, oh, he got me. But you tried to stoke me, you know? Oh you. Yeah. Almost got me to kill someone. I almost just punched somebody. Now did you see any more of Alabama or was it just that? No. I mean, we went to like a bar that was close by that had this like cool like sort of beer garden just to catch a breath of fresh air and like, you know. But no, there wasn't really a whole lot else going on. But I mean, beautiful weather. It was like 70 degrees and breezy. Awesome. Yeah. You would go to one of these? I would just watch. I find it so fascinating. Yeah. It would be really interesting to watch you at a concert. Well, I'm not a huge concert person. People watching was off the chain. Wait, how was it? That's probably the worst fist pump I've ever seen in my life. I feel like that would be like the universal move for all concerts that I would bring you to. No. So I had an experience, like you said, where you do something when you're younger and then when you're older you go. I did that in an EDM concert. So I was in my mid 30s and there was like this big EDM thing that happened in San Jose. And I'm like, I like it. You guys know that. So here's a funny thing. I love this perfect death metal. And I like EDM, which I don't know if they go together. But I went to an EDM concert and we're in there and I'm looking around. I'm like, wow, I look like a narc. Like either I'm a drug dealer or I'm a narc. Hey, kids, you got some drugs? Yeah, because I'm the only person over 25 in this whole place. So, dude, that's funny. Yeah, and I got called out for, and I know it was kind of like people aren't into what I'm into in terms of like kind of displaying the concerts and like you're worse than one of those girl in Fishnet going to an EDM concert. You know, just like showing us all the concert. And I'm like, well, when you're doing the Mindputt media page. Oh, really? Yeah. People hating. I was getting called out on that. I know. I wouldn't like to see you in the mosh pit. Was there anybody? I know. I have some footage. I'll make sure and add it. Oh, yeah. I mean, it's a big concert. Any Mindputt listeners actually listen to that music, too? Yeah. Yeah. So I didn't think anybody did, especially from the response. Come on. Let's say we have cool fans. Yeah. Of course they do. There's some hardcore people out there, dude. I ran into like five people. Wow. I forget her name, but it was great because she saw me and was like, oh, I've been in one of the live events and then she actually used that to, you know, cut in line and get a drink because I was in this line for like an hour and she found out she's not in a line. She's like, but I know you. So I call her out for that, but you know, smart, you know, smart. I knew what you were doing. That's awesome. Just so you know. I want to see the video of you in the mosh pit so bad. Yeah. I thought you did post a video. I'm not sure if I posted the one where I was actually in because my friend was filming it and I think he did. Dude, you don't remember that? I didn't. I must have not seen it. You don't pay attention. You don't watch either one of our stories, do you? Just your own. No. I watch your stories sometimes. That's just a meme guy. That's not true. Anytime you post something with your son, I call him it. Okay. Yeah. Anytime. Yeah. I don't want to, if you're by yourself. Yeah. Oh, there's the baby. Yeah. Speaking of memes and picking on you right now, please tell me you saw the Mind Pope memes. One of you. Oh my God. That was so good. That's my favorite one. Is this the shirtless one? Yes. Sal getting ready for the podcast. I got really uncomfortable watching that. Oh my God. It looked way on, dude, than his grill and these spices. That was the best one yet. I mean, it looked pretty sprawled on. The tech on that. That's an app. I know. You just use a fricking app. I would think you would think that was you completely. It was so good. The tech is getting so weird. Police tips. You guys realize this is scary. We're like 10 years away from it getting so good that I won't know the difference between you and me. That's wild. That's going to be weird, bro. It's going to be cool. I know. That's going to be strange. I bet you it's going to be the future. You know, you talked about the evolution of like political cartoons and memes, right? Like memes are like this new thing. Watch that be the thing. It'll be, you know, making these videos of your buddies and friends all the time will be like the new thing to do because it's so good and accurate. You're like, oh, look at I caught you doing this and you know, it'd be like funny shit. That's going to go well. I'm just afraid how it'll be used against people, you know, like someone wants to fuck with you think politics right away. Of course. I think of all that. So things speaking of which they did you. Okay. So trip off this, right? So they invented you ready for this tiny, tiny flying machines smaller than a grain of sand. Wait, these are microchips that glide and fly in the air and they report back information. And so scientists have created literally, like enter you literally. Whoa. You didn't think of that. Like mini powers. No, they have like little, they have like little wings. I'll pull it up right now because it's yeah, dude. It's, it's, it's trippy. Now the way they want to use it. So these are called micro flyers and they think that they can throw them in the air. I want to see a picture and monitor pollution, airborne diseases, environmental contaminants. Yeah. They could provide, they could form a massive wireless network gathering important and valuable environmental data. So, but I'm just thinking like, dude, they could, they could spread these all over the air and just watch everybody locusts. Yeah, dude. Smaller than a grain of sand and you know, I didn't even think they could go inside you, but now I'm freaked out. Yeah. Like they make them any smaller. You breathe it in. Yeah. You know, you know, you have a manufactured disease. So tiny are the people that have to build these things. A little kebler elves, right? Yeah. A normal, a normal person with normal hands can't build stuff like that. It's not possible. Just children. Children. I don't know. That's a great point, Adam. That's hilarious. Yeah. I mean, but it's pretty crazy. Is that what it looks like right there? I don't know what the hell that was. What is that, Doug? That's what they are. Micro flyers. Yeah, dude. I didn't even think of that though, Justin, because that's interesting. I wonder if they could have you inhale something like this and then it could report back or deliver medicine to the body. I know that at some point they'll be able to make, you know, nanotechnology, they'll be able to inject into your body. Well, that's sort of the real futuristic kind of stuff out there that they're making breakthroughs with, which like is going to change the whole landscape. But I hope it's for the best, but you know, my skeptical brain is always... There it is right there. Alarmed. Look how small those are right there. Doesn't that feel like superhero technology? Oh, yeah. Yeah, and how you can attach something on it that actually records to report back. It's a microchip. That's a microchip right there that can fly. It's so small. Yeah. I love Adam skepticism, by the way. Yeah. It's not true. Yeah. It's just immediately not true. I didn't say it's not true. I'm just curious to how this works. It definitely makes no sense to me. That's wild, man. Yeah, I know. Do you see, I think I added in the thread too that there was this other spotting of like a military spaceship that like, they're like, oh my god, this has to be like a UFO. Yeah. So it was okay. This is not a valid source, right? It's sun. I think that's one of those where it's like this wolf boy and yeah, but it was loaded on this truck and this guy was taking a video and it looked, it looked possible like it could be made like it's, you know, like a stealth bomber, but it was like even more aerodynamically crazy. Uh, so I don't know if you can pull it up or not, uh, Doug, but yeah, it, it looks like it's, it's feasible. I'm like, wow, I wonder if they're getting even more advanced in that direction. So here's what I always wonder what stuff like that, whenever stuff leaks out or somebody like a normal bystander films a military thing and it goes out, I wonder how much of that is manufactured. Right. You know, because I have to admit, I have to think, excuse me, that the military would be better than like driving a spaceship on the freeway some dude can film. I wonder how much of this is them flexing on other countries kind of a sideways way. Or make you think that this is all we have when really we have five steps ahead of that. That's what I think. I think it's more likely that like anything that we hear about, we're far more advanced. Well, dude, you guys know that the, okay, so the first war in Iraq, uh, Desert Storm, I think that was what was it called? When was that? Was that 1991, Doug? When we went Desert Storm? Is it 1991? Desert Storm? I think that's about correct. The first one, right? That's Bush Senior, right? Yeah. Before Iraqi freedom. Right. And that was the first time we unveiled the stealth technology, stealth bombers. Before that, nobody even knew that they existed. And it had been around for like 50 years before that. I think we created them in the 70s or 60s. Yeah, it was a long time ago. Yeah. And so it was like, here's something cool that we made 30 years ago. So what the, what do they have now? That's why I feel like some of the stuff that they're doing with UFOs is their sideways way of saying, by the way, we have technology that can go super fast underwater, above water, do all this weird stuff. So, you know, if you mess with us or whatever. Right. Did you guys see the post that Joe Rogan did? He did the footprint. You didn't see that? What? Pull up his Instagram. I saw his freedom brand. No, no, I thought, I mean, which I thought was right. This is stuff that Justin and you are way more into. That's why I thought for sure you guys would have already seen it. It was like, it just came. I might have seen it. Yeah. It was like a footprint that dates back further than what we think homeo sapiens were on earth. Homo sapiens? Homo sapiens. What'd I say? Homo sapiens. Homo sapiens and people. Yeah. Yeah. Look at. Wow. Oh, human. Oh, and the Americas. Okay. So, a human footprint found in New Mexico are about 25,000 years old. Wow. What the hell? That's great. Did you guys know? I just learned this the other day. So, we know Neanderthals, right? So, Neanderthals, then you have like, you know, modern humans, which appeared, I think, you know, around 10,000 years ago, there were like seven or eight other, maybe seven other human species that all started to disappear. There's like seven or eight of them. There's like the red. They're like bred out. There's like the red dear people of China. There's the Denysovians. There's the Neanderthals. The Denysovians, like they said, they crossed the Great Bering Strait and then made the way to the Americas. So, there's all these different types of humans, and many of them displayed intelligence. Many of them displayed art and tool making, but basically modern humans and here's the theory, because modern humans have the DNA of all of these. So, different parts of Europe, Asia, Africa, you'll see more Neanderthal, more Denysovian, more whatever, right? They think, because that DNA is in our DNA, that we killed, we banged them and killed them. So, basically, we out-competed them, probably because we were better at making weapons and war. It's just like that game, Murder, Mary, Kill, right? Yeah, yep, yep. But we also, you know, invaded with them. So, they say that we're the ones that killed them all off, because we out-competed them. I didn't realize there were that many. I always thought there were like two right now. Yeah, lots of different species. Isn't that interesting? That is very interesting. Anyway, hey, I want to give a shout out to our sponsor, Organifi. I've been using the Gold Juice super consistently at night. In fact, I ran out of almond milk the other night, and I just mixed it in water. Just do like tea out of it? I just made, it's actually good in water. It's like tea. I haven't done that yet. I haven't done that yet. Yeah, I thought, you know, because you guys know me in supplements, I don't give a shit. I'll take it dry. But I said, let me try it in hot water. It's like a warm pumpkin spice tea. But anyway, I've been drinking it consistently, and I noticed less inflammation. I noticed I sleep better. Well, yeah, Courtney and I have been using that just to de-stress. And I actually had some last night because of like the fly in between and just like carrying all this adrenaline with me. So, yeah, I did that, because that's one of those things that does help me calm down and just start to kind of, you know, chill out before bed. Yeah, speaking of before bed, I watched a new series on Netflix. I watched the first episode, Midnight Mass. Have you guys heard of this? What's that? No, I haven't seen that. It's scary, isn't it? Yeah, it's a little scary. Yeah, damn it. Adam's already out. It's not that scary. Okay, so did you ever wait for you to bring something good? Did you ever watch The Hunting of Hill House? No. Even after everybody told you it was so good? It's so good. It's scary. It's not that scary. It's not that scary. It's that I just have no interest in that. I bet if you watched it you would like it. Maybe. It's really well made and written. Maybe. Anyway, Midnight Mass, I only watched the first episode. Looks like it's going to be fucking amazing, dude. It looks like it's going to be really good. Same writers and everything, so I'll tell you guys all about it. You need a co-sign before I watch it, for sure. I said you need a fucking co-sign before I watch it. Yeah, you're going to start building it back up, I think, with Adam and Doug. Good, Sal. I'll give it a whirl. Yeah. What are you guys, you guys were talking about a show earlier. Yeah. Foundations. One of those I've been excited about the whole time. And I guess like over the weekend it launched and I haven't got a chance to watch it yet. I'm like so antsy to watch it. I don't want anybody to tell me anything. You'll be excited. It's got three episodes already, so you can watch it. I started it, but I actually was doing something else and quickly realized like, oh, this is going to be one of those shows that there's going to be lots of words and terms talking about stuff that I'm not familiar with. I'm like, okay, I'll watch this another time. So it looks, I mean, graphically. And it's only on Apple. I can't watch it. Can I order it on Amazon or anything? No. God, I got to send it for something else now? Yeah. Well, they put a lot of money into this thing. So I mean, I, you know, I expect they're just going to keep it on that platform. I'm watching Clickbait right now, which is pretty good. So I'm how far I'm into that right now. I'm a handful of episodes into it right now and it's got me sucked into it. I say four or five episodes into it. Have you got to the third season of Sex Education yet? I know you were on the second season. No, I have. No, I haven't. I'm like, I've been watching it. Have you been watching it? Yeah. Hilarious. It's pretty funny. It's really, it's really good, dude. You know what they do in that too is they, and I know, I mean, they throw every single possible type of individual in this purpose. So you like, you have like a non-binary person, of course, you know, gay people and straight, but whatever. I mean, I don't think gay people is actually quite smart. They don't make a huge necessarily big deal about things. They're just kids kind of figuring out. Yeah. And there's the one relationship. So there's the main character Otis and his best friend. I can't remember his name. It's the Nigerian kid who's like very flamboyantly gay. Yeah. But they show their friendship very genuinely. I really appreciate it. It's not a big deal. And there's that's what that's what makes it different. You know what? You know what else is you got either one of them being there. So I think they do like Katrina and I were just talking about this because we were on the new season just got released. And so we're up to date on that. And they do a really good job of addressing the kind of political climate and both sides without feeling like they have a buy it. Like you feel like they do a good job of developing a character on each side that maybe you might gravitate more. And they're more like they're all likable. Yes. And they're all very likable. So it's it's really the point you're making with sex education. I feel like you watch a show and it's like quickly the way they present a position or character I can tell right away like OK that's their bias. But when I'm wrapped into a show and maybe I think they have a bias this way but then all of a sudden they counter that with another character that's very likable and you go oh shit like I can't see where they're coming from. I really appreciate more than I ever have before. I don't think I ever really paid attention to that. So much like older shows like kind of like where they do or where where their biases versus the way these guys are riding is I feel like it's really well balanced and it's just a nice way to watch a show like that. Yeah I appreciate that too. Oh one quick thing a study came out on muscle mass and COVID and they found significant reduction that was connected to the amount of muscle mass you have and severe COVID or hospitalization. So more muscle far less likely just muscle muscle and strength these are grip strength as in it's more protective. Yes very protective now that's obvious I was just going to say come on this is kind of like people need to hear that trust me I was around people as we got to hear that. That's so crazy to me that you would need to hear that though because in order for you to build the more muscle you build in the frame the more you have to be dialed in nutritionally and more often that you have you can't just build you're not going to just build muscle out of thin air you're going to have to go in and put the work in so you'll have to exercise strength train in addition to that nutrients that are required to build that and sustain that so Yeah but this they they were just showing muscle strength and I and you're right I think there's so much more connected to it but how many times have we heard like oh just because people exercise or just because this is like if you're stronger you're less likely to have all these severe symptoms which is which is I mean obvious to us I mean I would think I think you could connect that to cancer and all kinds of other things too right to me it's kind of a very obvious you know study to come out and say that it's like but if you're I mean you think that there's people that don't get that that really I do yeah that's crazy I do I think people don't realize that I've been around that just recently well think about the average person if you think of the average person and you ask forget like a fitness fanatic or a person that listens to our show you take the average person you say you know what kind of workouts will help you improve your immunity oh yeah you got to do like running and cycling and that's also true but then ask them do you think like building bigger muscles will help with your immunity and a lot of people have no idea that just muscle strength and size alone is better for just immunity and your ability to deal with disease and all that did you see it we had a comment on Instagram and we also had a comment on the YouTube of people like having to every time we talk about cardio I feel like we always have to get into this with somebody who feels the need that they're doing and how beneficial it is for them and that like we're anti-cardio people it's like it's not that at all it's trying to educate the masses on the benefits of strength training and why that is a superior way of training not that you shouldn't do cardio and we don't think there's tons of benefits adding it to your strength training routine appropriately you're going to get better health but the truth is if I had to put them head to head and I had one or the other I got three hours a week somebody is going to run a treadmill or whatever mode of cardio you like or strength training it's a no brainer no brainer because you can get many of the benefits that you get from cardiovascular training through your strength training like the example I tried to give the girl that was going back and forth with me is go do 10 sets of squats with 30 second rest periods in between and tell me how much cardiovascular endurance you can't elevate your heart rate doing that the one thing that'll cardio will be better at is whatever the form of overall health and even aesthetic goals of course but overall health mobility, strength organ health cognitive function hormone health like in the studies now support it well the argument they were both these people were making were the cardiovascular endurance and it's like okay if you're if all you care about is cardiovascular endurance slash health then doing cardio will help that and it will help that faster than strength training but there's so many more benefits that you get from strength training you can get most almost all the benefits that you get from cardio so why wouldn't you choose the one that is superior now in a perfect world yes you do both right I mean I would even argue it's not cardiovascular health but rather cardiovascular performance you'll get better long-term endurance by training but your cardio but in terms of cardiovascular health like heart health they've already shown that strength training is superior for reducing visceral body fat inflammation improving heart health they've already shown this in fact that's when we had Dr. Aloe on the show it was a cardiovascular doctor it's literally what he said well that's the point I'm trying to make is that we're not anti-cardio it's more so the most people don't understand that about resistance training they don't understand the value and so our message comes out that way but yeah okay in a perfect world my client does both you know that that would be great but in the context of overall health and also in the context of body composition because everyone thinks that getting lean and ripped cardio is the best way towards it and it's not and we know this and so that's why our messaging is always around that it's not that we're anti-cardio guys it's that a lot of people don't understand the benefits of actually strength training in the pursuit of overall health or in the pursuit of body composition Hey real quick I hope you're enjoying the podcast look we have a partner Livon that makes some of the 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to flex you want to feel those muscles contracting this is more of a bodybuilder style of training there's a lot of value in it however there's also a lot of value in just focusing on moving the weight and perfecting your technique and skill to move more weight this is how strength athletes train both of them are very very valuable for example I can squat I can do a barbell squat slow my reps down and really focus on my quads like really focus on the knee extension and the squeeze at the top and staying connected at the bottom and give myself a crazy quad pump and burn and again I'm going to develop good nice develop quad muscles from doing that or I can get under the weight and just perfect my biomechanics and my technique so I can squat the most amount of weight and both of them are very valuable if your goal is to train for a balanced physique develop your muscles be strong mobile I think you've got to do kind of both of these they're both important well there are certain things that you can't like you don't want to be flexed and tense when you do like a kettlebell movement right like you have these explosive kettlebell movements like a swing you mean yeah you have to be able to be fast and loose yes fast and loose like in a like Olympic there's a lot of Olympic movements where you can't be tense the entire time good point you've got to be explosive tense but then focus on that concentric part of the lift in the very beginning and then just kind of guiding that that weight as it accelerates right so it's a totally different type of a technique but yeah to your point it really just depends on what the focus is on and the objective and the intent of the exercise what's funny is when I train clients I would do flexing and tensing with correctional exercise and I'm talking about like new clients to flex and tense a muscle it's when I'm doing correctional exercise and trying to get them to feel certain muscles and connect to certain parts of a movement but then when I would teach them traditional exercises I never said hey while you're squatting I want you to really feel it in your glutes that didn't happen until later it was more like let's perfect the skill of the squat let's perfect the skill of a dead lift and then later in dead lifting well and odd stuff then when there were areas they wanted to focus on I would say squeeze your glutes here focus on your quads there so it is they're both very valuable and it's funny how there's like two camps like which one do I do I mean I actually train the op I actually train less about the movement and more about keeping tension throughout the movement so I guess it's the bodybuilder esk background that I come from like that was I always felt like if I got a client to really feel the entire movement I could teach more dynamic explosive things where you ask them to be quick or loose and then tight like I find that that's a little bit more of an advanced technique to be able to do that oh yeah no I wouldn't do fast and loose I'm talking about just traditional squat press like when I did an overhead press with a new client I wasn't like feel this in your delts it was about your posture your technique in your form practice that and then later if they're like through the movement then I would get them to focus but you're right with the fast stuff no no no you can't sit there and connect to a kettlebell swing you ever seen a bodybuilder or somebody who trains bodybuilding trying to do that oh yeah well that was the first thing that came to mind when this question came up was thinking like all I could picture was a tense buff bodybuilder trying to do a kettlebell swing and it just it looks it looks awkward and a lateral raise at that point yeah it's exactly what it looks like but yeah I mean there's tons of value if you were to follow maps power lift the focus is on the movement it's about technique form biomechanics and movement now you follow a program like maps aesthetic and it's very much about flexing and tensing and developing particular muscles which one is better for you they both are they're both going to give you tremendous value and I think it's a mistake to only focus on one and not the other I think both of them will develop the best body that you ever had because I have a very different feel from when I'm squatting and trying to focus on a muscle group versus when I'm just trying to squat and get better at squatting it's a very different mentality you know going into the movement next question is from Tyler McNutrition do you find a lot of people are overdoing it with diet and exercise I see a lot of people doing twice a day workouts extreme dieting or fasting etc. or a combination of multiple things I don't think they're going to get into account other stresses in their lives which can lead to some of these additions being negative of course we believe this we always bring this up everybody overdoes it here's what I mean by that I don't mean everybody works out too much all the time I mean people that stop working out and are inconsistent usually when they start they overdo it now overdoing it's different from person to person overdoing it can mean you overdo it for what your body can handle it could also mean you're overdoing it because you're doing more than you'll be able to maintain on a consistent basis so if you never exercise or you have it for a long time I used to get this all the time I'd manage gyms and I'd get a walk in this is somebody that's interested in checking out the gym and I'd ask them what their goals are and are you currently exercising no I'm not when was the last time you exercised consistently like for longer than six months oh ten years ago how many days a week would you like to start working out I'd like to come five days a week overdoing it you're going to go from zero to five even if you train properly five days a week it's too much for you to go from zero to five and to maintain consistency so it's the whole I want to get there faster overdoing it literally means you'll get there slower it's human nature we want to get to that desired outcome as quick as possible and our entire culture is based off of that it's like well how can I get rich faster yeah how can I achieve whatever goal I have the quickest way possible and it's just there's no pill to this thing to really like accelerate that process like you just really have to put the work in well I'll give you guys a less extreme and I think more common situation of overdoing it that I think most people fall into this trap and that's just simply eating eating less and moving it's like the most practical advice given to somebody who is overweight oh you're overweight eat less calories and move more and because of that simple advice what ends up happening is somebody ends up eating way less than what they probably should for their size and body and certainly for somebody who's going to go start building muscle and then they overdo the amount of movement somebody who is completely sedentary on the couch wasn't doing anything is all of a sudden doing crossfit workouts or all of a sudden working out like you guys are saying five to seven days a week so I think it's way more common than not and you know a lot of that is just because the messaging that's been we always tout the law of thermodynamics and everybody says okay they just oversimplify that okay well less calories move more I should lose weight well yeah you can but you have to do all of it together you're overdoing it you don't need to be doing that I mean everybody that I get if that was overweight you know later on in my career I figured out like actually what I should do is either keep them out of maintenance or even try and give them a surplus and actually focus on building muscle even though they came to me to lose 50 pounds of fat nutritionally what they were feeding their body they were they're under they're overfeeding it in calories underfeeding it in nutrients that their body needs in order to have this healthy physique so getting them balanced out and keeping them fed while also now introducing this new stimulus was a much better strategy and you just don't see that you see most people overdoing them exercise and that doesn't need to be a lot and then under consuming yeah the the right dose people doing more than that is the wrong dose doing less than that is also the wrong dose by the way if I had to pick which one I would want a person to if they had to go over or underdoing it I would say underdoing it because then it's easy to ramp up overdoing it it's hard to back off of it's interesting right because I think people think that the most that they can tolerate is the right dose so like oh I'm getting great results right now but still not the right dose because I know that there's more I can do with my training my body will tolerate but it's not going to get me there any faster it'd be like one of the doctor and the doctor saying you have an infection here's your medication take two a day and you're like I want to get this infection going it's a whole bottle what will happen right I think of like like hard alcohol you know versus like a sip of wine or beer or something it's like you know you give somebody like a shot of the right to like you know the most condensed version of everything at once how every college can't drink you know what that leads to I just want to get drunk real fast next question is from preacher man Joe is there any truth regarding somatotypes a trainer said that knowing if you're an ectomorph mesomorph or endomorph will determine what your body needs there's a little bit of value in this but it's so generalized that it's really for yeah if you live and die by this you're not look most people are not a most people are not a pure ectomorph so ectomorph is the here's what they would say right tall skinny smaller bone structure tends to be really lean hard gainer right mesomorph your athlete more muscle lean builds muscle easily athletic endomorph gains body fat easily is thicker bone structure and it's harder for them to get lean very very gent this is so generalized that most people are combinations of different things like hybrids of whatever yeah so is there value in it maybe a little bit but not a ton I find it valuable I find it valuable and I defend it because it's been I know trashed in the last like 10 years or so because we've dispelled that there's these three categories or whatever but for explaining something to a client to get them to understand their body more and how it responds to exercise and nutrition if it reminds me of 3500 calories equals a pound of fat yeah okay that is not it's not that simple and there's it's much more complex than that but when I when I'm explaining to a client over consuming calories and under consuming it's just an easy round number it's just an easy way to get them to grasp that hey listen that 500 calorie fat on your body so don't beat yourself up over it like relax you know so I also think the same thing is true when I'm looking at a body type and they're struggling so hard to put muscle on but then they can lean out really easy explaining them what kind of body type they're more likely and the benefits of being that kind of a body type and vice versa when they're on the other end of the extreme when they're like man Adam I just cannot lose weight for the life of me they're playing to people their body types even though we know that it's way more complex you know it's funny about this if I'm not mistaken the person who created this was a I think a zoologist I think is the right term they're into eugenics yeah and basically what he did was he catarized humans by the way I don't know if you guys know this the original the person that came up with this also came up with personality characteristics for each of these the same person I believe I mean that's not spelled right right it's T it's not an N I thought it was an N no I think it's a T I'm curious like tomato type who created that so look up his name Doug I can't remember his name off the top of my head that's spelled correctly yeah and look up I think there's a dark history of eugenics in there too maybe really people who tend to characterize people like humans into category cause they attribute also characteristics like for example I thought it was a marketing thing that's what I thought it was then it was used for marketing yeah it's very valuable right but you've been doing the wrong diet and workout it's a psychologist William Herbert Sheldon in the 1940s so they would also attach it's a taxonomy that's why I said zoology it's just a verb excuse me a word describing like characterizing animals or whatever they would also characterize characteristics I don't know if you guys ever heard this old stereotype that like you know endomorphs or people who would tend to be a little overweight tend to be more jolly more like ectomorphs they tend to be a little bit more quiet and timid because of the jiggle more you guys you ever heard that oh yeah I don't know if Doug maybe knows that he's heard something like that so was your theory wrong then this person did not also create the other thing you said cause that's what we were the characteristics I don't know if it was him or other people yeah it sounded like you made a leap on something maybe but I can surprise you guys never heard that before no I haven't heard that and you know the direction of it being not very valuable anymore and as a coach and trainer I found value in it to help explain things and this is an area where I actually don't like when the fitness like industry loves to tear something down that we've disproved or like shit on something like the you know also how many calories equals a pound of or how much calories does a pound of muscle versus a pound of fat there's all kinds of stuff to say that all that 60 calories is not true hey at the end I think from the perspective of a trainer and coach who's trying to explain this super complex thing around nutrition and the body and how to get their body composition changed and how to be healthy and all these complex things that the average person just has no clue about these types of things I've found helped me explain certain reasons why maybe they didn't notice this or they noticed that I just wouldn't live and die by it as an individual I wouldn't read this I wouldn't encourage no and I think that's the takeaway from this question is that you know what they did do just like it's something that had some value to it it's been bastardized and now used to market to people so don't buy into the there's a diet and a workout plan specific for your body type that's definitely not true so if you know you run into something like that I think that's a bunch of bullshit but for the average person trying to learn their body type and understand it better I found value in that next question is what are your thoughts on grounding or earthing all right so this is one of those situations where there's value in something but the way that they try to explain it or sell it I disagree with so here's that the theory so the theory with grounding or earthing is that there are positive and negative electrical you know charges or ions I think it is and your bare feet touching the earth puts that out and it produces all these health benefits and stuff like that I don't think so what I think the benefit is is that the bottom of your feet nerve stimulus there's tons of nerve endings they're and we are constantly covered in socks or in shoes and that part of our brain and central nervous system is super undeveloped and when you take your socks off and walk around outside on different textures and the grass and the concrete develop the muscles and then in those nerves and the way the brain interprets them that's I think where the health benefits come from I don't think it has to do with this transfer of negative or positive you know I don't know man I mean before I mean I'm with you because this is how I would say that probably 5-10 years ago but I think no one in this room would have thought that it was possible for memories to be stored in tissue in your body yeah I think if you would have told us that two decades ago it would have been crazy as saying grounding or earthing maybe more I think that sounds you've brought that up a lot I don't know how they really have proven that but they've definitely brought that up and what it really is and the point you are making that I completely agree with is that you know this is what happens when you know we haven't put the words to what we what they've figured out a long time ago has value there is tremendous value I mean I've tried and I absolutely do this grounding earthing thing I don't call it that I don't think of it like that I think of it as taking my fucking socks and shoes off and walking around that's what I think of it as and I feel the value in it so I don't need someone to tell me the science behind if it is or isn't and so I think this is one of those areas that we've known this for a very long time that it provides value and then there's practices that have decided not really science that's the problem for example she has been around for much longer than talking about your core right well no that's a good example because here's look and you're right because this is what's what happens so here's earthing I'll explain from a website called earthing.com the earth surface has a virtually limitless supply of mobile electrons that gives the ground we walk on a natural negative electric charge when you touch your body to the ground it dissipates at the same time you receive a charge of energy in the form of free electrons and your body synchronizes with the natural frequencies of the earth okay scientists are going to come and shit all over this the next step from there is like butthole sunning that's where you're going to go from there that's a big leap Justin I'm just not that big I don't know dude what's his name bulletproof coffee guys he actually posted pictures of himself sun burning his butthole with the electric charge no no here's the value imagine this here I'll give you a better example imagine if you almost always had thick padded gloves on almost always you're handling everything and you're doing everything in your life with thick padded gloves imagine how less sensitive and less developed your hands would be and your connection to that feeling how less intricate you'll be able to handle objects that's what happens to our feet our cuffs are covered by spiky surfaces things like that like you're not going to have the same response as you would if you allow your skin and your actual like fingers to touch it yeah I mean my son rarely ever wears shoes and I see tremendous value I don't think it has anything to do with the negative positive energy around it I just think that that's we evolved probably on this earth a lot longer not putting anything on the bottoms of our feet so to think that there wouldn't be progress you know as far as clothing or like the ability that wears something is going to make it better it's not going to make it better all the time I always take value too and just like obviously like taking your shoes off and walking around barefoot but also paying attention to your pressure points like you know how like is your big toe even pressing down or is it like staying up and raised up and are you compensating you can find out a lot about what's happening with your entire body by just focusing on that triangle of pressure and so fascinated with I watch Max's feet when he plays and he's in a squatted position and he's doing things it is wild to watch because you don't see that when they have shoes if you have shoes on you can't see all that stuff and I certainly do not have the connectivity that he has because you can see just the way while he's sitting here playing up here you can see all of his toes articulating like putting when he shifts over to one side this one grips this way then it flexes your brain that are developed because of that or the parts of the brain that are underdeveloped because your feet are always covered so that's the benefit that's why people go do this and walk outside and go oh my gosh I feel so good it's life changing you're waking up parts of your brain you're making new connections then you start taking basketball crystals even like to what you were saying Adam about your body storing memories I don't know if the memory is actually stored in your body but the central nervous system stores memories and part of those memories are the position of your body like if you were you know assaulted at one point so you create this kind of defensive posture and then something reminds you of that even subconsciously that becomes your defensive yeah so and then if you might try to work through the process in your brain and thinking about it but it doesn't work then all of a sudden a massage therapist comes over and forces your body to move differently loosen up muscles and emotions come out like how many times I know your wife was a massage therapist for a long time I'm sure she had people cry oh yeah that's common oh yeah right from doing that so again I think it's the way it reminds me of adrenal fatigue remember adrenal fatigue you have all this list of symptoms it's because your adrenals are fatigued then scientists came out and said no the adrenals are still producing all the reality was it was an imbalance between how the adrenals communicated with the hypothalamus and you know communicated with yeah I think that's the take away from this question is that I think that whether you subscribe to the terms grounding or earthing and what they claim to be the great benefits of it nobody in this room disagrees that it's not extremely valuable for you to take your shoes and socks off and walk around on earth absolutely should do and you should do that as much as possible yeah and I think the best way to do to start doing that and I started doing this a few years ago is I don't wear shoes in the house anymore which is also very sanitary and clean so that's when at least I'm in the house moving around and I've noticed benefit myself so look if you like our information head over to mindpumpfree.com and check out all of our free guides they can help you build muscle or burn body fat or just get healthier okay so there's tons of guides there they're all free mindpumpfree.com you can also find all of us on Instagram Justin is at Mind Pump Justin I'm at Mind Pump Sal and Adam is at Mind Pump Adam