 Call to order this is the fourth regular meeting of the 2010 2011 Common Council and as is customary our city clerk Sue Richards Will read the quote of the evening Thank you, Sue roll call, please here Excuse Here We have a quorum well Alderman Bowers, please lead us in the Pledge of Allegiance Thank You Tom looking for approval of the minutes from the former Common Council meeting so moved second We have a motion a second to approve the minutes under discussion There is no discussion on the minutes we all in favor say aye opposed motion carries Resignations attorney McLean The letter dated April 28th from Robert Tim advising that he's Resigning from the Board of Appeals and a letter email from James visor Advising that he's Currently a non-voting member of the Parks and Forestry Committee and he's asking that he step down From that position and be replaced by a sergeant that ran a key third an email from Steve Hemsing Advising that he's not interested in serving on the park board We have a motion, please motion to accept the resignations second We have a motion and a second to accept the resignations under discussion if there is no discussion all in favor say aye Opposed motion carries Mayors appointments Honorable members of the council hereby submit the following appointment for your consideration Sergeant Scott Reineke to be considered for appointments of the Board of Parks and Forestry to fill the unexpired term of Captain James Visor whose term expires for twenty two twenty eleven signed by the mayor John Vandemal to be considered for appointments of the Board of Parks and Forestry commissioners as the city playing Commission Representative to fill the unexpired term of Stephen Hemsing whose term expires for twenty five twenty eleven I believe we're going to take Mr. Vandermel separately president Gisha Your honor, I believe we'd like to take them both and ask for suspension of the rules both for Parks and Forestry as they have a meeting set Prior to the next action by council so I ask for suspension of the rules second We have a motion a second to spend the suspend the rules on the two appointments because of an upcoming meeting before the next council meeting We have a motion a second is anybody opposed to suspending the rules There is no Opposition the rules are suspended your honor. I ask for These two appointments to be approved. Thank you We have a motion a second on confirming the appointments Alderman Hannah, yeah, I just want to let you know that I need to abstain Okay We will take separate votes on the appointments in Any further discussion if there is none we will have a roll call first on On Scott Raina King Roll call, please Decker, hi Gisha. Hi Hammond abstain abstain Heidemann I Got I kiddleson. Hi Montemay or I ratki. Hi, Versi. Hi and one comment. Hi eyes to abstention Motion carries and now the vote on mr. Vandermel Roll call, please Decker. Hi Gisha. Hi Hammond. Hi Hannah. Hi Heidemann. Hi I kiddleson. Hi Montemay or I ratki. Hi, Versi. Hi Longamon. Hi and foreign. Hi 13. I Motion carries further appointments attorney McLean. Thank you, your honor. There's two letters from Boyden County board chairman Mike van der steen one is Reappointing supervisor Val Schultz to serve as Boyden County's representative on the marina and harvard committee One advising that the is appointed Following county board supervisors to serve on the city county shared services committee for the 2010 2012 board term mechanic Keith Abler and Peggy fighter and those lie over until the next Common Council meeting That is all for appointments. Do we have public forum this evening? Yes, we do First this evening will be Delcey Johnson I'll see if you could come up, please Delcey, can I get your home address, please? 1306 North Street, Sheboygan And you will have five minutes. Thank you Mayor Ryan city clerk Richards city attorney McLean members of the council and citizens On April 7th the council voted to not lift the hiring freeze to hire three firefighter paramedics Chief Herman had requested the hires to continue the ambulance service He stated that he did not need any more firefighters, but needed more paramedics He also stated with that with a new pumper truck, which the council has authorized and Without the ambulance service. He would not need any additional hires In other words without the ambulance service and without hiring any additional firefighters We would not have to close stations on a rotating basis as the department is doing now Finance director Terry Hansen stated that the three hires would be expense to the ambulance service Because the council did not agree to hire the three firefighter paramedics and in order to not incur heavy overtime expenses The council voted per chief Herman's request to take one ambulance out of service resulting in a considerable savings to the taxpayers the salary and benefit cost of the three hires at 2010 rates was stated to be a hundred and eighty thousand dollars in 2011 firefighter paramedics will receive a three percent pay raise in addition to a four percent premium for anyone with a Paramedic license and another two percent for hours spent doing ambulance work So personnel costs in 2011 would likely be higher than the hundred and eighty thousand dollars The cost of leasing the ambulance is just a little under thirty thousand dollars At the April 19th council meeting Alderman Bauch asked chief Herman what the cost would be of taking one ambulance out of service Chief Herman replied that in a full year the third ambulance would answer a hundred and seventy five to two hundred calls resulting in eighty to a hundred thousand dollars in billable fees with forty percent or thirty two thousand to forty thousand dollars collectible so We would have expenses in 2010 of 210 thousand dollars and revenues of forty thousand dollars Simple arithmetic tells me that that would be a loss and a cost to the taxpayers of a hundred and seventy thousand dollars To operate the third ambulance Mayor Ryan campaign saying he wanted to run the city as a business He spoke of it again on April 20th when the new council was installed Mayor Ryan and several alderman are or were business owners Alderman Boren Alderman Bowers Alderman Hammond Alderman Hanna Alderman Montemayor Alderman Radke Alderman versey Would any of you negotiate choose or agree to a situation whereby your business would lose a hundred and seventy thousand dollars a year No business could afford to lose a hundred and seventy thousand dollars year after year The taxpayers your constituents cannot afford to either The writing on the wall is clear Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Delcey next Next will be milk storm Can I have your home address, please? Yes, it's 1736 Marvin court and you will have five minutes, sir Thank you. I want to thank the mayor and the council members to address this body I certainly want to thank Sue Richards and the ladies of her department. Maybe the mayor and the council can Probably furnish them a better area to work in and compensate them for the efficient way that the city court Department is wrong. I'm gonna roll here In July of 2003 officer Todd Preby and his partner from the community policing unit Appeared before the council at that time The purpose was to form a group of volunteer citizens known as neighbors against drugs to assist the police department in our Shabuigan County Sheriff's Department in abating illegal drug activities in our Shabuigan neighborhoods I've been a member of NED for those seven years Some of the statements and observation I make this evening are not are my own and not reflective of the NED members and our leadership Since 2003 neighbors against drugs has been very successful in Assisting the police and the Sheriff's Department in reading illegal drug activities from Shabuigan neighborhoods Our group records show in seven years. We have eliminated 100 drug houses in areas where drug activity was taking place About two and a half years ago I was a survey volunteer for the Shabuigan pride incorporated a nonprofit group that regulates our NED group a Project known as the Gateway neighborhood was formed with our primary leaders being Assistant city attorney Chuck Adams and officer Todd Preby At our last NED meeting we discussed our new police chief's interests in the Gateway neighborhood And how our police department can become more friendly and visible in targeted neighborhoods For those not familiar with the Gateway neighborhood. It encompasses a five to four block area Starting at 9th and Erie Avenue across from Fountain Park then West on Erie to 14th Street North on 14th Street to Superior then East to 9th Street and ending up at Fountain Park Methodist Church So in the future if you see more police officers and NED members walking through your neighborhoods I don't want you to be alarmed We are only trying to improve your neighborhoods for the residents and the businesses of your area. I Am not suggesting that we establish a utopia community here in Shabuigan But if we work together in harmony with our neighbors, we just might get a little closer to paradise a Few times I've been told to go to that other place, and I really don't care to go there I Assume these persons must know that place quite well Thank you for your patience Thank You Milton next Last on the list would be Chase Longmiller Chase, can I have your home address, please 2611 rolling meadows drive rolling meadows? You'll have five minutes Mr. Mayor and members of the council my name is Chase Longmiller and as president the Shabuigan firefighters Union I stand before you this evening to encourage you to lift the hiring freeze and hire the four firefighters the Shabuigan fire department is currently short Currently the common council is considering five proposals regarding the structure of the Shabuigan fire department The question is what is an appropriate level of protection for a city our size? In the proposals before you the two with the lowest deficits are options D and E However, they are polar opposites in the protection and safety. They offer People should be concerned with option E and option D. You face a potential deficit of two million an option E You face a deficit of one point one point four million dollars a cumulative difference of six hundred thousand dollars over ten years However, option E decreases the amount of fire protection by 21 firefighters, which is nearly one-third of your city's fire department That is the lowest level protection ever seen in Shabuigan a level that is below adequate And below what is safe for our residents visitors and firefighters And this is being done to realize a savings of sixty thousand dollars a year in a thirty million dollar budget Does it make sense to reduce our staffing of our fire department by one-third for sixty thousand dollars? Improve technological advances that assist firefighters don't outweigh the new challenges of lightweight building construction advancement of hazard materials vehicle extrications and Confined space requirements just to name a few Under alternative E response times will greatly increase The department will go from a response time average of under three minutes to upwards of six minutes or more The ability of this department to initiate rescues as we did with Cassandra Lehman Who was pulled from a fire on 14th Street a few years ago will be put in serious jeopardy? emergencies require immediate and adequate responses to mitigate them with the least amount of loss and the greatest chances of survival to those involved Fires that used to be minimal can now be become total loss fires with this proposal Mind you, these are not threats. These are the realities as we are educated and experienced experts see it With the addition of the ambulance service The service has greatly increased it has returned much needed revenue to the city and more importantly It is providing a level of service higher than ever To have a minimum of four pick four people quickly at an EMS call who are all part of the same service Training and working together for decades instead of weeks is far better than two from any other system There may be some among you who have philosophical differences concerning the ambulance However in these current economic times is it best to get rid of a system Which is not only providing superior service, but a source of revenue as well Is it better for a user fee which will be charged regardless of who operates the service to go to a corporation or to the tax relief of the city taxpayer of The 19 cities cited in the report from the city finance department only two do not run the ambulance in their cities Ask yourself why none of these cities are currently considering getting rid of their service even with their own tough budget issues Ask yourself why the city would do this if all that would be done would be to realize a savings of $60,000 a year in a $30 million budget Does it make sense to reduce staffing of our fire department by one-third for $60,000 a year? The only plan that makes sense is to staff the fire department appropriately so that the city can continue to generate revenue and Provide excellent fire and EMS protection. Please hire these much-needed firefighters. Thank you. Thank you chase Thank You chase is that all for public form? Okay now on to my favorite time the mayor's announcements time we all know We will keep this brief tonight a couple of different items here a Number one Alderman-Boren wanted everybody to know that the that Finance director Terry Hanson's Report on the fire department is available on the city website So if anybody would like to view that in its entirety it is a great late-night reading if if you're interested Also The Subwagon firefighters Will be taking on the Green Bay Packers Luckily it is in it is an upcoming softball tournament That will be that is open to the public It will be on May 23rd at 2 p.m. At Wilson Park at 1601 West Howard Avenue in Milwaukee Should be a great event This was because they they took a second-place finish at last year's softball event So now they have the opportunity to play the Packers tickets are $15 each or $45 for a family of five So that could be that is a a great event You also have the chance to get your items autographed by the Green Bay Packer players For more information we have a number here Roger Sager at 946 41 99 if anybody would like any more information on that Moving on I have another announcement and this one I make with some trepidation Unfortunately our finance director Terry Hansen Who I have known since he's come to the city and definitely spent a lot of time with since I've become the mayor is resigning as of As of June 4th Don't worry. He's not going anywhere. He's just moving over to the county to take on their position So basically the county has stolen them away from us so I congratulated Terry that he will be working with with Budget twice the size of the city's in a deficit three times the size. So I'm sure he's got a lot to look forward to but Terry is has been a Pleasure to work with one of the most stand-up people I've met in the city He's his heart is in the job. He's going to be sorely missed And unfortunately, I don't know if we're going to be able to replace him with the same caliber person Seeing as the county and all their applications decided to pick our finance director, but he will be greatly missed Luckily, we will still be able to use him for some advice here and there probably but Hats off to you Terry. You've done a great job for the city and we will miss you And that is all we have for the mayor's time of pontification this evening Moving on The consent agenda We'll be taking 4-1 through 416 President Gisha. Thank you your honor I move that we accept and file all reports of officers accept and adopt all reports of committees and pass all Resolutions and ordinances We have a motion in a second under discussion on the consent agenda if there is none roll call, please Decker hi Gisha. Hi, Hammond. Hi, Hannah Hi Kittleson hi Monta Miora. Hi Ratke. Hi, Versi. Hi, Wongamon Warren hi and Bowers. Hi 13 eyes motion carries communications and petitions for 17 to be referred reports of officers to 418 by City Planning Commission recommending that the council place the petition to terminate the bid district on file as the Supporters of the petition represent less than 50% of the total value of real estate in the bid Subject to assessment and as such the petition is insufficient to require the city council to terminate the bid All to person Monta Mior. Thank you, Mr. Mayor. I move that the RCBA accepted in file Second we have a motion in a second under discussion if there is none Roll call, please Decker hi Gisha. Hi Hammond. Hi, Hannah. Hi, Heidemann. Hi, Katt. Hi, Kittleson. Hi, Monta Mior. Hi, Ratke Epstein Versi hi, Wongamon. Hi Warren hi and Bowers. Hi 12 eyes one abstention motion carries 419 through 430 to be referred Resolutions introduced 3 4-31 by Alderman Gisha authorizing the issuance and sale of up to 2,947,632 sewage system revenue bond series 2010 a and providing for other details and covenants with respect there to President Gisha Thank You your honor. I move that the Resolution be put upon its passage second we have a motion in a second under discussion Your honor this this was taken up obviously at the last finance committee meeting and the Sewerage issue has been one that Bill Bittner had been Discussing and working on for quite a lengthy period of time and now it's time to get it done. Thank you Very good Alderman Bowers. Do you have a comment on this? Yes The two million nine hundred forty seven thousand dollars approximately. Do we have any idea how well? Much of the sewers will be corrected President Gisha, would you like to as I am not up on the sewer lengthage? I'll ask Director Bittner if the council would to speak to that director of public works bill Bittner will answer that question this Loan represents The work that's being done on what we call the Western Interceptor Which is a very large pipe with up to 42 inches and it's being rehabbed from basically the wastewater plant All the way west past the interstate a big share of it is It serves our outlying communities and the payback the city is actually about 42 percent that we Agreements to pay for the rest with our neighboring communities Did that answer your question Alderman Bowers? Thank you, Bill Any further discussion? If there is no roll call, please Gisha hi Hammond. Hi, Hannah. Hi DeMond. Hi. Hi Kittleson. Hi, Montemay or hi Radke. Hi Versi. Hi, Longamon. Hi Warren. Hi Bowers and Decker. Hi 13 eyes motion carries We are going to take four dash 33 before we do four dash 32 4-33 by Alderpersons Gisha Bulk, Boren, Radke and Hammond authorizing the appropriate city officials to enter into contract for obtaining Independent independent financial consulting services President Gisha Thank You your honor. I move that the resolution be put upon its passage Second we have a motion and a second to put the resolution upon its passage under discussion We just just came in For the first time this year. Yes, we have to suspend. I may I apologize Asking for suspension of the rules if I could back the train up here We have a motion and a second to suspend the rules. Would you like to explain the I would Although Alderperson Ryan flesh isn't here in honor of him I'll do the suspension of the reasoning for suspension is What you're seeing on the other items on the agenda tonight and that is the issuance of these bonds are of a timely We need the contract before the issuance of the pants, obviously Is there anybody opposed to suspending the rules? If there's no opposition the rules are suspended President Kisha Thank You your honor. I moved that the resolution be put upon its passage Second we have a motion and a second to put the resolution upon its passage under discussion If I may your honor For those of you who are not familiar with Ehlers and Associates They've served as financial advisor for 125, Wisconsin municipal bond sales last year. They are ranked Basically number one in sales volume not by total put out by a number of issuances They represent about 48.8 percent of total issues In the state of Wisconsin and have a have a marvelous reputation Thank You President Gisha any further discussion if there is none roll call, please on 433 Hammond hi Hannah. Hi. Hi Deman. Hi. Hi Kittlesons. Hi Montemayor. Hi, Radke. Hi Versi. Hi, Wonkerman. Hi, Lauren. Hi, Bowers. Hi, Decker. Hi and Gisha. Hi Motion carries now we will do four dash 32 by Alderperson Gisha authorizing the issuance and providing for the sale of two million 45,000 general obligation promissory notes and eight million three hundred and forty-five thousand taxable general Obligation refunding bonds President Gisha, thank you your honor. I don't believe we need to suspend the rules on this. No, we don't Attorney McClain I don't know There again this hasn't been before the council has I don't believe it has yeah And if it is the expenditure of funds, we need to suspend and I guess going back We should probably do that on 435. Why don't we do it on both of them simultaneously? That's certainly fine with me if it's fine with the chair We are looking at Needing to suspend on 431 and 32 Yes, your honor. Yes, okay, so I'm asking for a formal suspension on second those two items. Thank you Formal suspension on 431 and 432 is anybody opposed to suspending the rules or does anybody require any further explanation? Rules are suspended Thank You your honor. I'm not sure if you want to take obviously want to take these separately Based on 431. I move that the resolution be put upon its passage Motion to second on 431 once again Your honor we certainly can speak to what we're what we're doing and why we're doing it If there's any additional questions director Hanson is here We're utilizing the potentially build America bonds We're refinancing some bonds plus the 2 million 45,000 has to do with our bonding for capital improvements Which we approved at the last committee meeting Is everybody good with that does anybody require any further explanation? We may retake the roll call and We need to redo 431. No, we do not just on 432 roll call, please Hi I Montemay or I rat key. Hi, Percy. Hi, Wongman. Hi, Warren. Hi, Bowers. Hi, Decker. Hi, Gisha. Hi, and Hammond. Hi 13 eyes Motion carries 4-34 by all the persons Gisha about boron Hammond and rat key establishing the 2011 budget calendar president Gisha. Thank you your honor. I move that the resolution be put upon its passage We have a motion in a second director Hanson. Are you still good with this budget calendar? All right, great. Thanks Hence the better than ever hence the comment your honor two quick comments if I may one is it is Starting earlier this year at your direction There is a gap for catch-up as you can see through the calendar time and based on on Terry bailing on us we Respectfully And his new opportunity will probably need that catch-up time in addition the finance committee will be working in a more of informal session mode on Our next finance committee meeting in working on the as you see under the May of 2010 very first item establishing budget schedule and guidelines for submission of the Common Council, so any Anyone with interest or input on those guidelines such as we did last year will be doing that Mondays finance meeting very good Thank You President Kisha any further discussion If there is none all in favor of approving the budget calendar say aye opposed motion carries 4-35 to be referred Report of committee 6 4-36 by public protection and safety forwarding the document by the city clerk submitting incident of Detail incident detail prints sheboygan police department in a summary of ambulance response times for the period 110 through 331 10 submitted by alder Manversy to the Common Council for action with no recommendation from the committee on public protection and safety We would like to take this vice president Kittleson, thank you mayor. I would ask for a motion to accept and adopt this report of committee Second we have a motion in a second to accept and adopt And then under discussion here the it was brought up in the committee There was a there was no recommendation from the committee on what what to do with this document There was a tie vote on it, so I guess what would Council's pleasure be regarding this document right so so the committee obviously had an even number of four people in the committee And it was a deadlock vote it deadlocked right, okay Very good. Okay any further discussion alderman versi. Thank you your honor I'd just like to have it referred to committee the whole for the discussion I did get more reports to go along with this and there were some more discrepancies in EBA issued Second We have a motion and a second to refer to committee of the whole now under discussion on that President Gisha, I certainly wouldn't have any problem with with supporting referring to the committee of the whole But if there's additional discrepancies and questions that work is to be done in committee And then a finished product brought to committee the whole so we can actually discuss the finished document So I won't support going to committee the whole I'll support Actually, if that fails, I'll make a motion to send it back to committee so the committee can make some sort of recommendation Otherwise, what are we acting on in committee of the whole raw data? That that still needs to be vetted out. That's what's done in committee. Okay Under further discussion for sending to the committee of the whole alderman Bowers. Did you have a comment on that? yes, I Recommended to go to the committee of the whole because it goes back to committee is going to come back and with no recommendation again matter of fact that it won't be Actually, if it goes back to committee and all committee members are present It would have to come back with a recommendation one way or the other It was because there was a committee member absent that it came back with no recommendation. It was a typo Under further discussion we are discussing sending this document to the committee of the whole Can we do a roll call, please on that? I don't think we'll have a unanimous vote Okay under discussion just for sending this document to the committee of the whole Heidemann hi Koth hi Kittleson. No, Montemayor. No, Radke. Hi Bursi. Hi, Wonkman. Hi Warren, hi Bowers. Hi Decker. No, yes. Yeah. Nope Hammond. No, and Hannah. No Seven eyes six nose. It goes to the committee of the whole Reports of committees seven four dash thirty seven by law and licensing recommending denying taxi cab drivers license application number eight five four seven based upon the Applicants failure to include all relevant convictions on the application and the failure to cooperate with the committee Alderperson cut Thank You Mayor Ryan. I move to accept and adopt The report of committee second. We have a motion in a second to accept and adopt the report of committee Is Megan Davis here? This applicant was called twice before the committee and she did not appear Okay, so the applicant did not appear before the committee even though she was notified any further discussion If there is none roll call, please I Montemayor. Hi Radke. Hi Bursi. Hi, Wonkman. Hi Warren. Hi Bowers. Hi Decker. Hi Gisha. Hi, Hammond. Hi Hannah. Hi and Heidemann. Hi 13 eyes Motion carries four dash thirty eight by law and licensing recommending denying taxi cab drivers license number application Number eighty five forty six based upon the applicants failure to cooperate with the committee Alderperson cut Thank You Mayor Ryan. I move to accept and adopt the report of committee second We have a motion in a second to accept and adopt As Doris Fry here Doris you'd like to All the person cut if you may explain why the application was denied Well, here's the thing Doris had a Two times to come before our committee did not and so I'm going to go forward the city attorney of the I don't have that documentation on front of us as far as the tax I do understand that miss fry called our office late this afternoon and I guess she got the letter saying To be present here if she wished I can't perhaps she can explain why she did not appear at the committee, but I guess My suggestion might be to the committee members that the You have this referred back to the committee and If miss fry is going to show up there and discuss the issues at the committee will miss fry me You may speak and explain why you did not respond to the committee's request on the first time I had to take my mom to Milwaukee She was having surgery and I did call and Leave a message saying that I wouldn't be able to make it and This last time I was babysitting and I knew I had to be in court and the person my niece Knew I had to be in court and she swore she was going to be home and she didn't come into a quarter after five And I was already late Okay, do we have any further questions? I Would just say your honor that that it's accurate that For the first meeting she did call saying she wouldn't be able to attend and could reschedule it for a second meeting and I hadn't heard the explanation for the second Thank You attorney McLean. Sorry. Are there any questions Alderman born? Thank You very right. I'll make a motion to refer this Back to the law and licensing for further consideration We have a motion in a second to refer back to law and licensing Is there any further discussion? Thank You miss Friday, you may sit on On the referring back to law and licensing all in favor say aye. I opposed it will go back to law and licensing reports of committees eight four dash 39 by finance recommending Authorizing a transfer of appropriations in the 2010 budget economic development land acquisition President Kisha, thank you your honor I moved that the report of committee be accepted and adopted and the resolution be put upon its passage second We have a motion and a second to put the resolution upon its passage Alderman Bowers This will be in reference to 39 40 and 41. I have down here costs Could someone please advise what the cost we're looking at here if this is an internal transfer is this additional money or is this money? It's already been appropriate President Kisha your honor We're we're dealing with document 39 39 right now right document 39 Authorizes the transfer into an economic development land acquisition account of which the funds would not be expended until it's less and until it's Authorized by the Common Council, so there are no dollars being spent in in 439 this is for future land acquisition and 40 and 41 can be discussed when they come up. Is there any other? Comment on 4-39 Any further discussion if there is none roll call, please Kittleson I Montemay or I Radke I Versi I Wongaman I Warren I Decker I Gisha I Hammond I Hanna I Heidelman I and caught 13 eyes motion carries 4-40 by finance recommending authorizing a transfer of appropriation in the 2010 budget Establishing appropriation for the 2010 capital improvements program president Gisha. Thank you your honor I move the report of committee be accepted and adopted and the resolution be put upon its passage Second we have a motion in a second under discussion to answer Alderman Bauer's question from earlier The money spent on the capital improvement program was were unanimously approved by this body at our last Common Council meeting and Follows the appropriations that were discussed in the budget resolution that being two million dollars You saw in the previous documents when it came to the establishing the bonding that ties into that It comes up to two million forty five thousand dollars with amortization expenses and and upfront costs So that would be the answer as to how much it's Costing thank you president Gisha any further discussion If there is none roll call, please Montemay or I Radke I Versi I Wongaman I Warren I Bowers I Decker I Gisha I Hammond I Hanna I Heidelman I cut I and Kittleson I Thirteen eyes motion carries four dash 41. We need a motion to refer that back to finance I may report refer to finance, please We have a second motion in a second on four dash 41 to refer back to finance to do a little fine-tuning on that Any discussion all in favor to refer back to finance a I Opposed motion carries four dash 42 Ordinance introduced 10 442 lies over other matters authorized by law attorney McLean 4-43 is smitting a communication from Beverly and Henry Schaefer Stating that they want the city to get out of the ambulance business and get back providing fire protection only for the citizens That will go to PPNS strategic fiscal planning and the committee of the whole Or dash 44 is smitting a communication from Richard themee asking all the person born to support the fire department having Fire five stations and no ambulance service that will go to PPNS strategic fiscal planning and committee of the whole 445 smitting a communication from Jeff Giffin commander of the Shpoig and yacht club Excuse me. Commodore of the Shpoig and yacht club stating their concerns relating to the lease that the city is currently Negotiating with the Wisconsin Naval Ship Association Winsor referred to public works 446 is Submitting from Alderperson Boran an article from the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel entitled get healthy or else Going to group health and salary and grievances 4-47 is an article from Alderperson Boran submitted by Dulce Johnson from the Barron's cover entitled the two trillion dollar hole Referred to finance public protection and safety and salary and grievances 4-48 is communication from Jennifer Houdan city clerk of the city of Manitowoc Stating that they have passed the resolution accepting Shabuigan's non-motorized mileage challenge that will go to the Shabuigan Sustainable Task Force and the wellness committee 4-49 is communication from Richard Kummer and Laura Lawrence of route 43 Harley Davidson Requesting that they continue to run the roar and Shabuigan shores and making Referred to ppns and public works Or 50 is an application for waiver of the sexual offender residency restrictions for Bobby Dudley referred to public protection and safety Or 51 is an application for waiver of the sexual offender residency restrictions for Bonifacio or Donuts referred to ppns 452 is an application for waiver of the sex offender residency restrictions for George Furt Referred to ppns 53 is submitting various license applications for the period ending June 30 2011 and June 30 2012 will be referred to law and licensing 454 submitting various license applications for the period ending June 30 2011 also going to law and licensing 455 is Arrow by the fire chief Pursuant to section 50-496 of the missple code I herewith submit my report of departmental activity for the period commencing January 1 2010 and ending March 31 2010 referred to public protection and safety 456 is a resolution approving amendment to engineering services agreement for Digester mixing and solid sticketing improvements and authorizing the purchasing agent or appropriate city official to execute same always a great subject to refer to public works 457 It's a resolution lifting the hiring freeze in order to hire a finance director treasurer Will be referred to salary and grievances 458 is a resolution authorizing the purchase of vacant property located at the northeast corner of 10th and Erie 936 Erie Avenue aka the former body shop of Sheboygan LLC property will be referred to city planning and finance 459 is an RC by strategic fiscal planning Your committee to whom was referred RO number 29-11 Soon, that's 10-11 by the finance director Submitting the Sheboygan fire department ambulance service alternative scenarios and benchmarking analysis Recommends that a copy of the document be referred to the special budget subcommittee will be referred to the super special budget subcommittee over been born Thank You mayor Ryan, I'm not going to support this being a Sent to the subcommittee in fact, I'd like it voted on tonight whether it would be submitted if we can do that Okay, before we pack everything up here on the final document here, which is the fire department ambulance service Report done by director Hansen alderman boran would like that referred to the Strategic fiscal planning committee. We won't we already have it. Okay strategic fiscal planning is referring this to the subcommittee and I voted against sending this to the subcommittee and in At the strategic fiscal planning committee because in my opinion, it's nothing more than a delayed tactic Strategic fiscal planning had it's it's in our job description to go ahead and deal with this subject And I see it with all due respect to alderman decker and his co-chairman alderman balk I see no reason for it to go to their subcommittee. It's in our job description to deal with this and I want to deal with this issue with the fire department the sooner the better for the benefit of the fire department and the citizens Let's get on with it and let's get it over with it doesn't have to be referred In fact, I thought we were having a meeting tomorrow night on strategic fiscal planning But I haven't seen an agenda passed yet or posted yet. Okay, so I'm not going to be supporting the referral So we have a motion to keep it in strategic fiscal planning president Gisha Thank you, your honor We did vote to move it to our subcommittee when I say our This council voted unanimously to establish a subcommittee to look at budgetary options. This certainly qualifies as a budgetary option We asked a number of questions in strategic fiscal planning that we charged our subcommittee to To look into regarding this specific subject It's their job taking it away from a committee that we all voted unanimously to give them the right to do this and The and the charge to do this and many other budget things Didn't really make a lot of sense to me. Then why did we set them up to do that? That we heard from the chairman of that committee and he's in attendance tonight That's alderman decker he can speak for himself, but he asked specifically that the data come to them So that they can do their work. I don't believe in cutting committees off And their ability to do their work and we've asked them to do it. Why are we taking the tools away from them? Thank You president Gisha alderman hannah Well, thank you. I received a phone call tonight from Gary maples from the great shabuagan committee And he asked to make sure we slow down and get all the information and get all the answers You know, we're not really slowing down. We're trying to get the answers. So I don't see it as a stall tactic We're trying to find out the impact of public safety at each one of the choices. We know the financial answers Now give us the impact of public safety to each of those scenarios Okay, as much as I respect mr. Maples opinion We must be noted. He is not a city resident nor a Property owner in the city. I knew you're gonna say thank you Alderman boron Thank You mr. Chairman again I just want to reiterate that I'm on the strategic fiscal planning committee and that is for a reason That is because I'm a committee chairman and I'm there to make tough decisions. I'm not looking for any political cover I want to take this issue of the bull by the horns and let's get it over with The the information on public safety the the public safety card is going to be played at nauseam And that's part of the discussion and I'm willing to do that and have that discussion But let's do it at strategic fiscal planning. Let's have as many meetings as necessary And if people from the budget the subcommittee want to attend our meetings or any other older person or any other citizen That's fine, but let's get it on. Let's get it over with let's have some meetings and let's settle it once and for all Thank you. Thank you. Alderman boron Alderman versi Thank you your honor It's just kind of a double-edged sword for everybody. Yes, it's a big rush But yes, we need to take our time and look at all the scenarios I to my understanding the subcommittee has a June 4th deadline and sitting in with their last committee They have their hands full and so me tough for them to meet that deadline the way it is So keeping this with not going to the subcommittee might be a better option to hash out those options a little bit faster And let them keep dealing with what they have been doing Thank you, Alderman versi president Gisha I'll just ask once again that the committee process be somewhat respected Alderman Decker can speak for himself whether they can deal with this information or want to deal with this information Stated very very clearly at the committee meeting asked for the information so we're now going to take a chairman of a subcommittee and say no you can't do that and I will take a slight issue with the Public safety card Being played that was stated earlier Public safety to me isn't a card You can say what you want about about staffing manning or whatever It's our number one priority as as a council to ensure public safety I know we have to balance that with our ability to pay and right sizing of departments, but that's not a card that's a that's a very deep and emotional responsibility that I take very seriously and That's why I believe the committee chaired by Alderman Decker would would give us the needed data that the strategic strategic fiscal committee Planning committee asked for Thank You president Gisha. We have no further lights any further discussion. I think we'll do a roll call on this one First who would like to get set us all straight. This may. Yeah, right. This may just clear up the issue As a point of order, this is not on the agenda. This isn't other matters It's not noticed to the public, but it was a very nice discussion. It was a nice discussion I couldn't just send that five minutes ago But the other point is is that I did read the minutes from It was from strategic fiscal and the minutes Recommended I believe it was three to one or four to one or whatever and that's the basis for this document Which is why a copy of this as directed by the committee is sent to the subcommittee just so that you're all clear That's the direction that I got that's why this is here However, this really shouldn't be anything happened to it in my opinion It's not on the agenda and it has not been noticed to the public So to act on this and to do something with this in my opinion is that's my opinion Attorney McLean Yeah, with all due respect to the city clerk I don't think you're acting on anything formal. The question is which committee does it go to and I think that's a legitimate Decision at this point Okay, I've never seen this happen either Document that is to refer it to the special budget subcommittee. I think that should be What's on the floor for referral? This could be a good discussion Sue Well, and the other thing Steve and I have talked about this the It was presented just as a matter of record. It was presented as The subcommittee as a subcommittee of strategic fiscal planning that is not accurate You that is not a committee of strategic fiscal planning if it were a subcommittee of that group that Committee would consist of members of the strategic fiscal planning committee So I think just to make it clear this subcommittee is a separate committee. It is not The little committee below strategic for strategic strategic fiscal It would have to be the members of strategic that's just a side issue and I they report back to strategic fiscal planning Based on the resolution that was introduced, right, but it is a separate committee It is not strategic understood and you know, I I just thought I would bring up the fact That's not an agenda. I bow to Steve because he knows This is gonna cost you this is gonna keep doesn't want to be bound to Steve Should we settle it with a coin flip? No, okay We will take attorney McLean's advice and we will allow it to go to a vote roll call, please We are voting the motion by Alderman Boran was to not send it to the special subcommittee So we're voting on the document voting on the document, right on the We're voting on the document being referred to the special budget subcommittee or not And I vote means that going to the special going to the subcommittee and I vote will mean it's going to the subcommittee A no vote means it will not Could I have who's seconded that please second Gene third of it. All right good Montemay or I Radke I Versi no Wonkman, I Oran, no Bowers no Decker. I Yesha. I Hammond. Hi, Hannah. Hi. I don't know No, Kittleson. Hi Eight to five to the subcommittee it goes motion to adjourn second motion the second to adjourn all in favor see I Opposed motion carries. Thank you