 This is a special one you did scheduled for the meeting. The story goes, I'm in the commission and this is all the order that we have all come up with. Corina? Here. Finch? Here. Mazurine? Connor? Yes. Mr. Mountain? Here. Brickham? Grill? Here. Kamal? Here. Garcia? Here. Lafondue? Well, thank you very much. I'm going to point out the review of the translation services here. The interpretation services available. I'm sitting at the right. I said we could make an open scoring list based on the application and that's the one that we have. I wonder if we could please sign those. There's so close that this is where my knowledge and research would get to be. All right. This is the chairman statement. Michael Burino, chairman of the historic design and commission of the vice chair of the Congress in Washington. The historic design and commission of the advisory board appointed by the city council is the function of the board of the vice city manager and all relevant city departments in the application for commercial properties and historic districts for landmarks and city property and when they were approved, the board would like it to be done. It's serving whether to recommend approval or disapproval in the application and which would be the appropriate list. The historic design and commission is guided by this instance by the downtown design guide. The downtown design guide addresses and some initiatives such as scale, massing, setbacks, site plan, materials and overall design. The use of the property is not going to defer you to the downtown design guide or the HDRC. So we will begin the meeting with a brief presentation of the proposal by the applicant and followed by citizen and sign and speak on the item. 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We ask that everyone present be respectful to the additional speakers and remain silent when each person is given the opportunity to speak. Participants to speak. I would turn to what the subject will be asked to leave. At this time, are there any assistance to be heard on matters other than the single item that was posted for today's meeting? We do not. I also want to mention that the signage sheets have moved over here so that we can start focusing them. You can still sign in to speak when we build your time. Just a reminder, if you do choose to yield your time, we have to sign it and we have to make a decision. All right, very good. So, at this time, you might believe that we have a person who's coming out. Chair, would you like me to read the item? Yes. Sorry. This is HDRC case number 2017, B-05. The property is located in A-3 North Cherry Street. The aperture request is certificate of appropriateness to build a new multi-family retail mixed-use development with 141 residential units, 6 live art units, and 2 retail spaces. The proposed development is five stories with the first being parking, leasing, office, retail spaces, and live art units. The four upper floors consist of residential units and amenities. The proposal also includes a small public park open space directly adjacent to the Hay Street grid. Signage is not included in this request and will be submitted separately. Staff recommends approval of the design proposal as shown in the Exhibit A-A-H with the following stipulations. One, that all lighting including parking and security lighting feature components and be directed to the local and neighboring residential properties. Number two, that staff and retail specifications be provided to staff. Staff does not recommend red vinyl windows and a linen plaid window with a darker color is most appropriate. Number three, that details regarding location or generation of vehicle systems be provided to staff. All undesirable equipment must be screened or located to service areas positioned away from public use. Number four, that the roof plan be further developed to include, for example, appliances and provided to staff. Any roof mounted equipment that is visible from the right-of-way including the Hay Street grid must be screened from public use. Good afternoon. James McNaughty brought the routines 1, 1, 2, 3, go on. We might be scheduling for Mitch Maier to be on the property. I'd just like to start by saying that I know you're ahead of us, so as you scrutinize a really multifaceted site so I want to thank you for your time, especially on Friday for me. I also don't want to waste too much of your time because I want to focus on the real intent of the area, which is the design prepared by other designers and the role of the workshop, G.R.G. in architecture. But I do think it's important to provide some context and some topics to keep in mind as we go through this presentation. As you know, the site engenders a lot of passion. It has a rich and complex history that stirs a lot of emotion in the area and across the city. I'm sure you're going to hear from some folks about a lawsuit, a few shed protection, affordable housing, land swap, land sale, it's a public and private park. Please remember, those are not design issues. I was still a little conflicted about discussing them because we have a completely strong response to every one of those issues. It partly feels like we shouldn't even need to because that's not the per-view VHCR scene. On the other hand, we may be seeing as more height of something that we don't answer. So, please note that if you have questions in those areas, we are ready to respond. More importantly, know that those questions, those issues that are not under VHCR since per-view are being addressed and discussed by those bodies and people that are supposed to be discussing. City Council, City Attorney's Office and the City Manager's Office, they're dealing with those issues separately from this hearing. We are not sympathetic to the residents' concerns and care for the community. This is not performed and this is not the body to address those issues. That's for City Council. As you're well aware, our request is simply to have our design review according to a final set of rules. The D.B.G. and the downtown design guide has dozens of required standards all of which we need to be applicable and dozens of encouraged guidelines many, not most of which we also need. Large number of people want to stop the project completely and voice that in public spaces. This is not the body to kill projects. That's really around zoning. The D.Zoning District is intended for a mix of uses and it's intended really for intensive uses. It's a geographic area defined by code. It'll be almost impossible for us to try to change the zoning in this area because this is downtown. This is what it's supposed to be. This is a process put in place to create a downtown based on uniformed design and also encourages creativity to meet those rules. There's some excerpts from the D.B.G. itself as to what the intent of these guidelines are. Consistency limits, the level of sustainability downtown if this is unlockability. This is also the D.B.G. one of the requirements is the scrutiny of what it's supposed to be applied. According to this document it's based on street type and location. It's in our site. We're not to say we're not sympathetic to context and concerns just that the document that we're going by emphasizes the scrutiny level and where those streets are supposed to be scrutinized. Every property over here in the city is bound to develop their own single set of rules. That's the D.B.G.C. The D.B.G.C needs some property passed by those designing the guidelines. A document adopted by elected officials in the downtown in uniform. What I'm saying is that while we didn't create this process we should be able to rely on a certainty of the process it's supposed to provide. We're simply by what rules we did. Maybe I'll have this person six months or more now. There is supposed to be an end at some point to this design process. Staff has recommended approval and strive but I know there have been other issues. I feel like now on this process we are looking to be. Previously I wanted to show this was designed in broad on December 6th. Mitch had submitted an application last year. It was a primarily residential structure that was this design was not here and that's for lack of guidance. Note the apartment is situated where the street is shown and the lane adjacent to the bridge not being shown. These were all issues that were addressed in time and you can see some of the shortcomings in these slides. So when it wasn't approved we received a letter from the planning department saying here are the items. Here are the reasons that the design is not approved. Treatment and parking now as you see underground parking in the street. Lack of active uses to engage restaurants and encourage walkability. It was even suggested to include apartments in the street. Now we have a full pedestrian area with large windows and residential units on the street taking full advantage of the contents that they make. The height and bulk of the structure in relation to the neighborhood can reach. We made those adjustments as well. This is the ability to open from the bridge access to public space or under the bridge lack of public space for the proposed development. For all of these items we made perhaps the biggest adjustment. We completely integrated that unknown lock of a show next to the bridge and purposefully left that space open space. This is a huge, huge change because that land is somebody else's land and we convinced them to make it part of our project. There is one more concern or wave about that land. This is part of the approval and its open space. We also created a walkthrough area in the middle of the project to encourage the public and private dialogue that started by the open space. Lastly, the accuracy of the exhibits and the drawings. Here we see the large separate and what we get to out of this team we created a complete fully formed project that was first designed as a spear. The first design had some real concerns it wasn't making progress it should have been making. It was really mired in the mindset of a concessional group. I think looking back on it, I think we kept trying to band aid and fix a piece of the time concerning what we started individually and set up policies for the project and it was struggling. We continued to struggle. So the best way to address those concerns is to continue trying to band aid and make sure it all missed tour of the entire set of plans and hired a new architecture firm. We listened to the neighborhood's comments, each of which I wrote down everyone's comments during that second period and meetings with other members of the group along the way. We sent the comments of commission and the public from this hearing, from the DRC meeting and from emails that we received. We started from scratch. We were filled out using all of those comments and concerns. We used those comments and concerns in conjunction with standards to develop a brand new project that fully addresses the design guidelines as required to create a truly better project that can be beneficial to the community in this way. So I'm not here to present the next project so I'm going to turn it over to you. Good afternoon. Chairman, ladies and gentlemen, the commission, forms of staff and all our friends as James said, I am not able to also as a principal and director of design to shift our culture. All ladies and gentlemen, I am not one of the principals acting on the project and I would just like to say that we're very proud to be here before you do so. We have a great presentation as brief as possible in our process on certain solutions. Here's framed by the design guidelines and so as I say, we began, this is a new day in the current phase of the project, Mitch came to us and said give us some advice and so the moment we looked at one talk we realized that he needed to completely depart from what he had done in the past. And so our request today is for a new recommendation for approval which we mentioned was very careful in the most important thing to us was his project approach and he said, guys, you know, we just left our company last time and we worked hard, there was a lot of really good feedback that came from that process and so in essence, we really do something we've all been proud of something that we've been doing something that respects the neighborhood something that acknowledges the future of the bridge and we made sure we had those guidelines and so what we're bringing to you today is so looking at the design guidelines as James put out that all of us can copy all of us in part of the project is what we do in the downtown area in particular as it relates to the street and I wanted to look at the street and so I was going to do it so many of the works that have more walkability and that's what I said and asked me to sort of work with so with that, we looked at the the typology of the building of the asset design rather than guidelines and more than this is what you see with this one out in downtown San Antonio with the guidelines we have we essentially built the property line and we kind of build it all the way around we know that that's not appropriate and we have a certainly a better approach but there's no sense in if we need that we just look at the guidelines to have a roadmap of how to get there and that being said as James already pointed out that the property you gave is the ability to there's obviously a commitment to the project and the open pocket part open space the amenity for the apartment to sort of open to the public to give the grid a chance to breathe and have experience with the project also the walkability the streetscape and so forth so we're looking at best practices as you see us go also sustainable design the NTS guidelines for that we then look at the historic condition what are we looking at certainly we all know the project site by now and in particular historically this is a nice example of that you can see that there were industrial size buildings certainly but there were large buildings and some used to the bridge more over the bridge itself before the historic had 30 foot wide walkways or approaches before you got to the construction and those have been reduced to 15 so they already enjoyed one of those so we did study that the bridge and the buildings adjacent to it absorbed that special input in the relationship for many many years it wasn't until 1971 that there was a handy anywhere else and so forth there are structures and properties in the bridge for a long time we bring the bridge into an influencing factor with our process so now present day context what's going on around this certainly the site we all know the historic district adjacent to the opportunity and that being the interest for us we began the study and we looked at the the urban pattern you can see Cherry Street is the divide between the neighborhood of the smaller buildings and the larger buildings just west of Cherry that's the established urban pattern historically we looked at the existing presence for architecture some owners when they were predominantly industrial there were handsome buildings the older buildings had a lot of character and detail which we trained in but you see a remaining proportion something very strong for long buildings and that's the established pattern for that the bridge itself has a parking lot lined if it's horizontal and you can kind of pull that down into a parking you get this amazing experience that everyone has come to appreciate more so than ever so remember that we'll come back to that right next to our solution our solution materiality is very important especially with large buildings we need to bring up the mass and at the ground levels we'll see the enduring mass of bricks which they themselves have any margin already to know in that same proportion it's very humble and honest with here the order form of concrete certainly looking at people decking like you can see from where you see that in the right places oxidized metal touches of that or cementitious panel and stuff like that things that you'd see in the agro both from the historic center and otherwise of course qualifying for the historic building or in the historic district sections along Cherry Street we're giving up a right right away property to the right away should say so we do have a parking area, we have a pre-brake area and then a six foot walkway coming up the canopy the second floor steps back and we're on a big part of the road along the bar we have a workway parking where we have the manuscript of the vegetation and street trees light poles and things like that then we have a seven foot eight side walkway and then we have another largely apart from the CPS these are there so if you could add that to the screen walkable and pleasant as possible so a massive development this is the reductive process of using this is kind of where we started in the last design and as we got rid of the idea of the building next to the bridge and see how the matching starts to lighten starting on the microphone and stating looking at this from Cherry Street this is very quickly this is where we started and as we pulled away from the bridge a color of the scale once again along the bar this sort of changes very much so for the articulation you notice the hole in the bottom of the pipe we have our part to use and it also seeks to make advantage of this long road masses and feeling of standing across so we've got that as we develop a very vast layer of clothing so we've got a large range of what is our foundation site plan shows you the street experience while chairing as the site section is indicated you see we've got an open space a managed center for the neighborhood certainly for the apartment complex we've got a green space for the apartment park it's also a it's got a messiah of pictures of a back to a future restaurant on the green space we show a point which brings about the back-up through into the space and the work spaces that face the chairing as well and ideally copying or some kind of retailing down the corner of the chairing we'll have visitor spaces possible on and on through for residence spaces on every theater restaurant there is a separate parking level which can at great expense to the people in this niche so it's right to the neighborhood we know a lot of people try to visit the three common work spaces asking why do you see a five-storey building here and an open space it's a street experience across the back across the mall but above you can see where if you walk there is a courtyard there and a second floor landing space bridge and side open space because space you from the second floor chairs you have the portal you might know it's a real condo which has several of the answer condos that you buy at an option and it's one of the purposes that you use so you tend to install around the building to have as artifacts and part as so we're going to make this really a genuine so I think now we want to show you our solutions in autonomy first we have Liz Franklin followed by Max Liz Franklin by 15 H Street and I'm going to take my whole 20 minutes and the first thing I want to say is if I know we were doing music today I brought Rocky but instead I'm just going to say you're a real OK let's get back to this the first thing I want to do is thank you for being so accommodating as a commission for rearranging your schedule on such short notice to honor Mr. Steadman and the second thing I want to do is I'm not going to give I still opposed the project for a variety of reasons and I would submit that James McNight is only partially right within your purview to consider all of the things that go into that or else why would he be here you could do this in the back room and then you'd be somebody else you wouldn't be a commission appointed to look at all the facts and look at all of the things that are staying with you what's unfortunate in this particular project is the people that are failing us on both sides are our elected officials because they won't take a professional stand they'll leave you in a bad situation and us in no situation but there's forum to continue to march as if it came up yesterday when in fact it started with Mr. Steadman 40 or 50 years ago and we know that so let's get back to design because I am being followed by a heavy hitter on design night and day there's no doubt about it I'm here as a professional I still don't like it I still don't and I don't feel bad for Mitch Mitch is a big boy he'll find another project when we know that so if you see those pictures me and him laughing together I want you to immediately dismiss them they're fake 70 feet is awfully high I do see some dramatic improvements 70 feet is awfully high I thank you for your service next we have Monica Zivino Ms. Zivino has one minutes we want to hear from you after a monocard good afternoon thank you also for doing it for Friday afternoon and everybody else here to sort these things out my name is Monica Zivino I live at 1120 East Crockett Street I'm also here on behalf of the Dignity Women's Association I was the chair of the architect and the committee this would be limited to contracted any project architect the project is improved in notable ways for example the live work component on the ground floor is one of the meaningful improvements as is the increased building permeability ground floor public circulation leading to retail areas and the slight increase of open space between the project and the Hay Street bridge these are all good changes we certainly do appreciate these changes however even with these improvements our position today is to impose the project at this time due to the building height on North Cherry Street a location of the project immediately adjacent to modest wood frame houses in the Dignity Hall Historic District and the Historic Hay Street bridge presents highly advancing challenges that we believe are not that December and remain unresolved today the massing in street wall on Cherry Street is simply too tall the street width at this location is less than 56 feet making the massing relationships even more critical in December the project had its full storage of 58 feet tall and with revised design now 5 stories at 72 feet on Cherry Street do note our other downtown district boundaries are at least 60 to 100 feet in width over IH 35 on North Salado Street Railroad Traxon Switching Yard on the West Cesar Chavez Boulevard on the south only the eastern boundary going through the historic east side on Cherry is easily 55 feet 6 inches with one to one and a half mile of eastern frontage all single-family houses less than half a dozen businesses are set this narrow edge condition requires a different planning and design solution and acknowledges the need for upper condition something less intense than the downtown Bides Fort even the ball on Yagabe 1221 Broadway Lost and the Riviera from larger major thoroughfares and unlimited four stories only the Yagabe on 80 foot wide Cesar Chavez Boulevard and is set back about 40 feet from St. Mary's is 5 stories we're requesting that the north cherry elevation be reduced for other modifications we made that will achieve a more compatible relationship with the historic houses across the street per the downtown guide proper building design of the side well put on hold respect historically significant districts buildings including massing and scale and neighborhood contents also per the downtown guide chapter 5 floor-in-floor height should appear to be similar to those seen in the area none of the floor-in-floor heights area are 12 feet and certainly none are 16 feet in closing as we've expressed in the past the digno and ego architectural community and our digno and ego neighbors are very very supportive of redevelopment in our neighborhood but we also know that we want redevelopment that is respectful and responsive to the adjacent historic district and the A3 bridge for the downtown guide we also understand that the commission to ascertain the correct level of design springing and we encourage you to consider the actual specific site conditions when considering this proposal we do appreciate the consideration and opportunity thank you next we have Nettie Hinton Ms. Hinton has 6 minutes here just later we won't start here good afternoon my name is Nettie Hinton hi on the 12th of January we celebrated my 79th birthday and I was born now in the corner of a women's center street in what is now known as the digno and ego historic area it's right across the street from the common library auditorium because that's what it was when I was a child I spent my life having that bridge being one of the important things where my father in his dodge which he called wits we would drive across the bridge and we would hear the plucking the other thing that he would take us to that I enjoyed was wrecking beach park and he would take us over the water crossing these are the dynamic things from my childhood in my neighborhood that I recall with much love and affection and so I'm not going to talk to you about Puget, I'm not going to talk to you I'm going to talk to you about the historic aspect of what you're supposed to be doing ensuring that San Antonio and its history and its culture are maintained and not overtaken by developers who are going to make some money because it's close to downtown I hope you realize how the larger community is concerned about the history of this edition of Current and the story that is in here about helping the east side you know that place that some guy was singing was full of prostitutes and stuff like that but I would never prostitute but I spent my life integrating the University of Texas in Austin went there in the fifties graduated with my degree in January of 1960 taught with the big years and on the west side of school doesn't exist any longer doesn't exist any longer when I went to Washington to be a part of the Civil Rights March with Dr. King in 1963 heard him it is, I had a dream speech in front of the Lake of Memorial spent 30 years there came home back to Bitten with a Hill and I bought the Emil Elmendorf House which is on the department's materialist listing of historic places so I'm used to Bitten and I'm going to continue to Bitten because you cannot erase what has been an important iconic thing not only in my life but in my community I understand that my grandmother, my father born in Ellis Alley which is why I work so hard to get it named a historical community now Doug Steadman who was funeralized on Wednesday spoke to you the last time that you were here Doug's involvement with the Haysbury Bridge Restoration Group came because he knew the history of the bridge and its relocation to the east side but when I came back home in 1994 having retired from the Treasury Department as a law enforcement officer international affairs in Asia after the Mississippi Basin I learned that the city of San Antonio wanted to dismantle the bridge either relocated somewhere else or put it in a warehouse so I walked my neighbor who got 200 signatures presented them to then Councilman Mario Salas and the city crept away from it but now the city is back and they want the land that Doug and Marcy Inch and myself sat in the Dawson family offices that they were relocating to 90 and 151 and asked them to donate the land to the city so that as we got the federal money to restore the bridge that we would have a park next to it in order to facilitate the hybrids and vipers because it was going to be a park of the Howard Peak Hype and Vitrile that connects the museum reach of the river and we did no idea over to the Salado Creek Greenway the Dawson says the only thing we want you to do is to name the bridge after our family and we said, did he didn't if you know the Budweiser commercials you know what I'm talking about however there was someone on the city staff and just on March the 7th there was another express news thing talking about Centro and the guy who just resigned from Centro who resigned as deputy city manager of the city of San Antonio who colluded with some liberal elite to give 300,000 dollars worth of land next to the Hage Green Bridge to somebody who wanted to build a brewery and he was doing his beer and black oak but the craft beer explosion in this nick of the woods was such that he wanted to be closer to downtown so the collusion to give that land that they did is to give us 295,000 dollars but we will give you 295,000 dollars in incentives so it was a wash so we fought we went to trial we want a jury trial to judge the analysis court we immediately went to appeal went to that next higher court and you know the city won why? because the H3 British Restoration Group was just a group of tax paid citizens who were suing the sovereign city and they said we had no standing so now we are appealing to the Texas Supreme Court and we are waiting for our case to be plucked out of the slum so that we can keep our land and build a park we restore the bridge and we want you to be fair we remember the historic aspect tens time of who you are thank you very much Mr. thank you thank you thank you thank you thank you thank you thank you thank you I want to say in response to that every form that is about a history bridge in the surrounding areas I know you were introduced when you were introduced would you for the park or introduce yourself? Brian Gordon with District 2 every form that is about a history bridge in the surrounding areas it's gonna talk about the lawsuit affordable housing in the history that should never be overlooked. So that's what you're going to hear. These are all comments that still haven't been addressed by the public meetings that they've done. So the community has asked for a design of a space that is something that accents the bridge. There still doesn't, an apartment complex still doesn't accent the bridge. There's no relationship other than the name and the location of it. If we pull up the document there's a couple of pages on there. Page 35, page 38, page 39. All show its relationship to other structures in the area. This is a 70 foot tall building the bridge next to it at its highest is 56. So we got about 16 foot over. Last time we talked about the parking. This is a concern that the community has brought up last time. It still hasn't been addressed. The parking spaces are 76 parking spaces, 14 of them are visitor parking spaces. That's 90 total parking spaces. Out of the five stories there there's going to be 141 units. That's 65 units that don't have parking spaces and so that's going to resort to the parking out in the neighborhood. There's also retail spaces and all these other things that are also going to bring in additional people throughout the time. That's going to spill over into the neighborhood here. Because of the position of the zoning right up against the residential we have something that looks like downtown pushed into the neighborhood. The community has spoken multiple times to them about addressing that issue and they still haven't. As I said I don't know why the issue was the height last time too. I don't know why they went higher. They added additional story. So now the project is towering over all of the structures. There's just housing and storage. There's the bridge that doesn't even reach that height. The only viewable spot there's been a community process started for Viewshed and it's collected a lot of data. This is the number one Instagram spot. This is the number one view. This is why this thing is here. We need we're asking for postponement of this to catch up with these timelines of these things that are starting. They're still in the lawsuit. There's people demanding that this view be saved and there's a process in place for that right now. We're asking that this be postponed for that data to be finished collecting. I know you've heard some of the debriefing you know this is another one priority that's showing up on there so I don't know why we're moving forward with the development project simultaneously while also acknowledging that this is something that people want to save. You know we got tons of things. There's a online petition. I don't know what else we need to do to show the amount of support. All the people that are here on a work day at 1 p.m. that can't even be here. We had 20 people last time. 50 people at the time before that. Now because of the timing of this this was 6 p.m. how many do you think would show up to this? You know it's only expanding and throughout the history of this the more that people understand what's about to happen the more that people have been opposed to this. So take these into considerations. The design doesn't meet any the difference that the community has been asking. The community has been asking for structures or something that is lower something that compliments the bridge something that allows usage and amenities to the public to help with the flow of the usage of the bridge none of these things. The only view that is there is for the people that pay a thousand dollars on top to sit on the balcony and look at the view that we all have now. We're not going to have this anymore. This is the moment that we need to really look at it and we need to slow the process down at the moment and really look at what all these people are here to talk about today. Thank you. Next we have Gerald Stedman followed by Audrey Fisher. I'm Gerald Stedman address 113 San Juan. I'm here because my father came here. Two days ago I buried him on his deathbed Sunday night before he died. He gave me this comment. I should have never allowed the city of San Antonio to hold the land for me while I waited to build the parking space funds for because it's crooks of stung land that belongs to the public. To tell you the height of the building is bad. There's no parking for that access. There's a concern in the historic back as a historic district. Y'all should automatically delete this project. He says he's worked on it for six months. My dad worked on that project for two decades. Not for himself, not for the first. The city of San Antonio has forgotten. They don't work for some large entity. They work for us, the people. And you as a commission need to understand that the people don't want another building, another commercial, but the city to give away land that doesn't belong to them. I read at the beginning that you are on a happy degree of law, Mr. Stedman. But in the future, when you interlop one of your speakers, remember that we can't hear them. So please don't do that and hold your applause until your speakers complete their remarks. Thank you. Next we have Audrey Fisher. My name is Audrey Fisher. I've been in line my three or four miles away and I can certainly say that the eight-street bridge is an Indian. I should have cared because it's not my heart of the world, San Antonio. But I do. We have all learned by the people of San Antonio as a group speaking against things that are bad that are not necessary in our neighborhood makes us a better community. I was unaware of all the changes today, so I won't read my argument. I would say something to remember because we just had an election that when we have elections we all go to places to vote and all the people there you can see candidates have volunteers who stand out to try and sell to talk to those people who are uninformed about their candidates. So please go over here. That distance is 100 feet. What they are recommending here is to cut that space in camp and then cram in more people and expect that to work. It's not going to work. That's just my personal point of view. I'm not an architect. I just want people to understand that as more and more people become involved and knowledgeable the same way that we protested at the San Antonio City Council when they when some people tried to push through the Alamo privatization process they built the fence. They built the wall. It was glass. It was going to be purple. Only two things the wall does. It keeps people in and it keeps people out. And that is what this is going to do. Thank you very much. Next slide, please. This first one has one minute of one minute of time after a little bit of time is up. Good afternoon. My name is Louis Francois. I live in 815 Nolan, but I'm actually here in I'm actually on the half reading a letter that was y'all having your packet on behalf of Abigail Kinnison-Rodrigues who was of 824 Nolan. Members of the commission, this letter is greatly reduced. I don't support the proposed development at 803 North Cherry Street as designed. It seems like the change is to the design since the last of December having relatively minor adding additional public but not totally public space between the five-story structure and bridge and shumbling up the window locations on the east and west of Assas. In addition, within the packet for the development before you today I noticed that the visual depiction is showing the elevation of the proposed apartment building in relation to the bridge has been removed. In the December packet it was included I presume as an attempt to communicate that development was shorter than the bridge by five feet when it was actually still at four feet. But the Hay Street Bridge is a unique combination of two trust systems that would only crack. The development was designed as designed as proposed as proposed is 72 feet tall, making and dwarfing the liberal and the crack trusses. In addition, the massing and sale are extremely problematic and perhaps moreover multi-family development on the parcel like 803 North Cherry does not align with the various city council approved neighborhood and community plans. Three plans to be exact, the Dingo Whitty Hill Neighborhood Plan which was adopted in 2009 states that we should establish a apartment in the Hay Street Bridge at Cherry Street. It's also stated in the strategy action section. It's also discussed in the Eastside Reinvestment Plan which was adopted in 2003 and again in the Downtown Neighborhood Plan adopted in 1999 which states that the desire to preserve and enhance the Hay Street Bridge as a landmark park, I mean sorry bridge. I'd also like to remind the Commission that in 1982 the same year that the city put its steel gates at either end of the bridge to forgive the cars from falling through the rotted wood plank deck. They also named the bridge a historically significant landmark. Since that time the bridge has received state landmark status as well as status as an engineering landmark. Thank you to Doug Steadman. The bridge was left derelict and was supposed to be dismantled because it was deemed unsafe. The Hay Street Bridge restoration group stepped in and with some help from the city's office of historic preservation wrote the enhancement grant to save it. The city drugged its feet three years before the project started. In 2009 the construction began and finally the whole historic bridge was reopened in 2010. In 2012 during the approval process land swap and other deals surrounding the Alamo Brewery the city's historic preservation officer recommended the restoration group submit a nomination for the bridge to be listed on the National Register of Historic Places to further protect the scenic views. On that term the status of that application but I do recognize that it took six years for the view shed conversation to begin in earnest. So the discussion regarding the space around it continues. We all agree that the bridge is a special place and in addition to providing a hike and bike connection from downtown to the east side it's a unique and special because of the place itself. Designing and preserving a place is a challenge and it takes a lot of hard work. The bridge is no longer there like an endanger of being dismantled but for some reason it always feels like the city thinks we're trying for we're begging for any development to happen over the east side and in dignity at any cost and that's not true and it's not necessary. Hold this place in the highest standards for good urban design within that context. So thank you for your time and service to San Antonio. Next we have Paddy Zionist, followed by the National Board. Good afternoon Commissioner Grena, members of the commission. My name is Paddy Zionist, 107 Kingwood and San Antonio Conservation Society and you have a copy of our statement in the comment. The San Antonio Conservation Society represents over 1500 citizens who support the conservation of our natural, built, and cultural heritage. We, the society, invested $50,000 in the rehabilitation of the Hastry Bridge. This bridge, what serves as an icon of the nearing side community, is a public space that must be accessible to all. The society has previously advocated for the preservation of sight lines to and from the bridge. The current development proposal has a modest setback from the bridge, but we would urge the creation of a larger space that would help preserve the views of the bridge. We also suggest that the vacant land adjacent to the bridge be either donated as a part or preserved through a conservation easement to ensure that the bridge remains unencumbered. Respectfully submitted, the San Antonio Conservation Society Susan Bevan, president. Next we have Yana Flores. She's Flores, has four minutes. Adrienne Chirac is having following this part of your dialogue. Okay, my name is Yana Flores and I'm a resident of District 8. So, I really quickly, I want to note that while I'm looking a little bit turny as to ask you all to ignore comments regarding the lawsuit of the bridge, the lack of affordable housing within this project. Corrie Edwards and Shannon Miller over there encouraged us Monday night to share these with you and I really appreciate you all for those comments. So, as we celebrate San Antonio's 300 year as the Spanish colony, we should be moving to protect our historic landmarks, among these the National Historic Pastry Bridge. I'm not from San Antonio, but I have come to fall in love with the city. I want to see this city grow to embrace the countless buildings, gasitas, and barrios to make San Antonio and that continue to bring tourists to this city. These luxury apartments will damage this, so in case you bridge, we're reducing the value of the bridge to what it adds to the city. But I'm not here to talk about this an ethical deal, although the topic is hard to avoid when we discuss a proposed design. I want to briefly and very briefly because I was cut from four from nine to four minutes, bring up a couple of the issues that come with the design. I know this and I know you did as well commissioners, that while some of the downtime design guides standards were followed, very few guidelines are shown that were proposed design. This project is truly an insult to us. To the folks who live on the east side, those who showed up right now at 1 p.m. on Friday in the middle of the workday, to you all commissioners, you sat here through the everlasting December 6 meeting, took notes of the countless recommendations you all gave the design, and I'm disappointed to see that these considerations were, for the most part, being the largest. I don't get paid for this, and I know neither of you, you're all volunteers. So, Loopy Limited wants to rush this project through, with no regard for the downtime design guides. They're continuing to waste our time, and it says that our time has no value which may or may not. Regarding Chapter 11, Sustainable Design, staff notes. The applicant has expressed commitment to best practices in coordination with Bill San Antonio Green, the green building ordinance in the city. I don't want to see promises from a slow murder group, but the actual sustainable practice added into the design. Promises are not going to make our building screen. You mean? That's fine. I'm already excited to speak. Yes, I am. What is your name? That, yes. Where was that? These designs need to align with the current climate, with the city's current climate and adaptation plan. You should be looking into installing a green roof that reviews solar gain, rainwater storage, and implementing a design that makes this a solar-ready building. In fact, there should be solar panels installed onto the building. This is 2018. Let's get with it. If we want to be like Austin, let's be like Austin. If we want to rob a community that already sees the very real health impact of environmental racism, because there's major air polluters on the east side of a green space, we sure as hell should make sure that this building is actually reducing energy and enhancing livability. These are words I took right from the design guide. Blammed, I took the time to check out the downtown design guide, as you probably have noticed, and I found a lot of really good information on there. Information that I was actually surprised to see. And I really would hope that Loopy Limited would also take the time to look into the design guide to look at Chapter 11, because I swear Chapter 11 has a lot of really good information on sustainable living, and this could really save us all a lot of time. Because as we sit here, reevaluate this design, there's a lot of stuff on it that if you already touched upon, we already asked them to fix and has not been fixed. So, let's start wasting our time. We have Marci and Smith, followed by Marci and District 9. First, I want to just say that this is absolutely incredible to see so many people here today in support of the odd community that wasn't made to go on. You all are good, you all are good because you care so much. And I know all of you here too, so we need to make sure we would like to thank you for today. I've been involved with this project for 15 years, and so I just want to tell you that I got started because a visionary and dreamer by the name of Douglas Steadman. And I was with the San Antonio Conservation Society, and he came and got me and he brought me up on the Hay Street Bridge as the sun was going down and a train was running by, and I was in love. And we all became so passionate about the bridge, and so we got busy working to save it because there was nobody looking at this bridge. So, we got the land donated from the Dawson's who agreed to donate the land as long as we named it after them. We did. We held fundraisers. We got the Dawson's to pay for an environmental impact study so the city would accept the land. We got to look many long hours to get the land transferred from the Pacific. All this took many, many hours and days and months and years. We held a press conference with the Dawson's, with the city to celebrate this generous donation from the Dawson's. Then we spent two years designing the bridge, designing the park, and that was so exciting. You know who was sitting with us at every meeting? The city. This was not the surprise day anybody. Finally in 2012, I started in 2003, so I'm into this project nine years at this point. We just understand that this project was going to go, they were going to just take it out for my friends. I mean, nobody even came to talk was about it. And Mayor Hartberger was very good friends with Eugene Seymour and I think he really thought this was going to be a great deal. I'm sure Mayor Hartberger thought that he was doing the best for the bridge. He not only was helping one of his best friends, but he was bringing development to the east side and what you needed at that time. Things have changed considerably since then. Because the bridge was saved, people started taking pride in the area. People started painting their houses and sweeping the sidewalks and pruning their trees and building new businesses. As a result of the bridge opening, their taxes have come exponentially have gotten higher. People have moved to the area and people love the area and the architecture has always been fabulous. This is all happening because of the bridge. So I can't, it's kind of strange to me that we've been sitting here today even talking about this because I don't feel this was legally ever given should have ever happened. I mean, you know, Eugene is going to go on the right side where he's doing his apartments now and we got him over to his own property. He was fine. We had no problem with the bridge. But that left again the area for the park and once again it was just taken from us. I don't know how ethical that is. I think it's going to give the city a really black eye if you go following this. There's too much talk going on about this. So what I'm asking you today is to have the courage just to deny this project. Second, to have the wisdom to deny this project. And three, to grant the grain that grand old lady deserves better and more respect. And so does Mr. Douglas Steadman, who is a visionary and a dreamer. We must respect all of it. Thank you so much. I agree that this building diminishes youth shed and green space for the Hey Street Bridge community and those who visit room. And I would add another dimension to the stance that the building does not meet standards for our quality lightweights in our city. I ask for holistic justice. That is that we look into the combined effect that combined impact this project on a particular place and broader implications on our city. On the east side border of downtown where homes need railroad and bridge. We need space for the ground to breathe, to soak in falling rain. This place matters. Hey Street Bridge community matters. Don't risk the imposition of dense matter to focus on money's hosting that ignores the structure of violence it thrives upon. The eco that foregoes ecology for economy only. The fair trade, the free trade that foregoes fairness. That forgives the children in ingrained drenched flowers to play in, outlifting places to walk gently. We all need air that feeds our lungs. What we do here matters. What close it does matters. What you do today matters. That density is not an infinite and it is not an automatic environmental win. Listen to the space. Listen and look to the air. Here aesthetic space needs space for spirits to dance on the east side border of downtown. Here decisions can consider holistic justice. Hole with W from the world. Bridge against blue hole that is sky. Red spirit that is sun. White spirit of moon. Air that we can see across a place where we can see each other late. Good afternoon. We've got Houston. I'm one time studying in court. I know we're all suffering from a patient who gets teed at one level or another in the end. Let's hope that 2018 sometime this year will be the time to get over so. I want to talk to you basically about your authority and the expectations might be on your journal. But before that make some notes based on some of the comments I made earlier that I feel I must address. One is that my story is rather than for it is hardly a compromise just how to characterize that. You heard in the presentation from the developers that the building that was scheduled to go next to the bridge has now been limited from the plant to be offered at the concession. Well that was never presented as hard to do to a plant. Very cold. In that location wasn't building as far as the neighborhoods. It's nice to see open space. But to suggest that they're giving up something that they've never acknowledged was theirs. That's disingenuous. The other point is that this neighborhood, what you're experiencing is that it's the only transition we don't put downtown versus neighborhood. Well the area along the railroad track and charity there is, like I've just said already, is really in some of the transition between Central Business District and our neighborhoods. That's how urban planners view it. What is needed is not to bring downtown standards to the neighborhood along Cherry Street. What is needed, as Miss Amina suggested, is really a buffer. You don't want to make too strong an urban Central Business District statement that close to the neighborhood. Now as far as addressing your own authority, I'd like to suggest that since December 6th we've all been informed that the HDRC's charge at mandate is only to judge the application's design against UDC and downtown guidance. I'd like to quote from UDC to suggest that even the name of this commission, and some specific words from UDC, actually give you the authority to look beyond those downtown guidelines. The very name of this commission is stored and designed review commission. It is not called the modern design review commission. We're looking at history in the relationship of new design to oh it implies context and we're asking you to actually examine the overall context, not just a specific building. Article 6 of the UDC gives a specific charge on mandate to you. That article refers to an award online on your judgment discretion and making overall policy discretion and aesthetic judgment that you made past, in this case and others, is highly important. I'd like to talk about two paragraphs that address what are those desired outcomes and what should be an interpretation of your overall review. Quoting from Article 6 of the UDC among the following goals in your number of paragraphs. I'll just quote too shortly. To establish the highest urban design standards for public property, including public buildings and public space, so that spaces, so that evident public commitment to quality design encourages and inspires another board member to preserve, protect, and enhance historically, culturally, architecturally, and archaeologically significant science and structures, which are part of the sneak aspect to the city and service visible reminders of the city's culture and heritage. San Antonio enjoys a national reputation for historic preservation and adaptor views. Sometimes we some of us wonder whether we completely deserve that altogether. Our notable secret locally is that the missions, the riverboats, the parks, and the things that we're given so much credit for protecting were not protected by the original instincts of our elected political leaders. Those protections came later during every era of the last hundred years. Citizens have inspired leaders to do the right thing against commercial momentum and against the conventional wisdom to follow their visionary instincts and the less than visionary instincts of our elected political leadership. Government leaders have been rescued from making mistakes by the determined groups of citizens in each of these eras in San Antonio history. The Hague Street Bridge is the issue for this era in San Antonio. We citizens here are, as ordinary citizens, are asking that our enlightened leadership, our enlightened fellow citizens, who are appointed to our commission, help lead the way away from the path of our elected officials. Thank you. My name is Kathleen Trenchard and I'm at 105 Rogers Finto and Drive and I am a former and I guess current member of the historic Hague Street Restoration Group and I'm here because Mr. Steffen cannot be here so please put down Steffen's here and spoke from the heart. I'm a little underwhelmed by the clothes design. It doesn't really compare at all to the beautiful elegant architecture and engineering that Pratt trust, which I have here. I don't know if you're welcome to put this picture of Mr. Steffen on the bridge with the beautiful Pratt trust on top. No, the building which is supposed to be called Bridge doesn't seem related at all to the bridge so I'm a little disappointed in that. Then also, five stories is better than four. See the point there and I don't think the the issue of the affordable housing was addressed by the development's comments. So I think this project still has some leftover baggage and it needs to be resolved by the city before we can move forward on this. And finally, the issue is all about location, location, location, no. Developer understands that phrase and the process by which the property was acquired and then sold by the city. A flawed process which needs to be reviewed and write it for the citizens of San Antonio and for the east side. Thank you so much.